Naima B. Robert – What is a Woman POWERFUL convo about femininity, narcissism and gender roles Umm Khalid
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Bismillah Salam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Welcome
back guys, this is another episode of The womanhood conversation. I'm
your host name a beat Robert and delighted to have you back for
another session where we are examining the whole concept and
notion of what it means to be a woman in today's society and today
I have a fantastic guest for you Masha Allah, she is Omaha pilot.
And if you don't know her, then you missed her conversation in the
marriage conversation with her and her husband, brother Daniel. But
I'm not going to even give any spoilers sis, oh Khaled please
introduce yourself, tell the people who you are. And what it is
that you get up to Santa Monica, welcome to Allah, thank you so
much just like a Lo Fi nightmare for having me again, on your
podcast. It's such a pleasure and an honor to be here. And
basically, I am a mom, I'm a wife, I am a homeschooling mom, for
children Hamdulillah. And what I do generally is just, I write
sometimes on my Facebook page on these topics, the topics that I
kind of live in my day to day, being a wife and a mother and what
it means to live those roles in a secular kind of modern context, as
in a traditional way as a traditional Muslim, what that
means and what that looks like, etc, etc. And a lot of what I talk
about involves feminism, because that's the backdrop to all of
this. I also helped my husband a little bit with horses on his
platform, which is an online institute called LSVT Institute,
the name LS now coming from ls nalsap. The word of rumor? Or the
Allahu Anhu when he asked the purpose of them, are we not on the
truth? The artists are alone, aren't we on the truth and let's
not help. So anyway, so I helped a little bit there. One thing I did
want to mention, speaking of LS net is coming up in sha Allah this
in like four days, this Friday in sha Allah, October 14, I'm really
excited to actually
start or basically launched this new class that I'm actually going
to be hosting called wife School, which is exactly on this topic
that I saw that mashallah was like dough she got there first and the
name Baraka Luffy. Mashallah, so we can talk more about that? No,
we definitely could talk more about that. And we'll put the link
as well in the description for everybody who's interested in
jumping over there and getting the gems, which inshallah we will
definitely talk about. So just take a quick look here.
One of the things that I I noticed on your Facebook is just how,
how honest you are.
And I want to use the word uncompromising in a good way.
Because I think that you get a lot of hate from people who get
triggered by the things that you say, right? Why do you think
sisters Muslim women, because often his Muslim women is sisters,
if you see their profiles, like they're in hijab and stuff, but
they are getting deeply triggered by your takes on motherhood on
being away from being a mother and being a Muslim woman? Why is that?
What is going on? Well, I,
I think about it sometimes, because I do find it fascinating.
Why is it that the stuff I say which to be honest, to me is like
normal, maybe I'm the weird one. But to me, what I say is nothing
revolutionary. It's nothing, you know, odd it's nothing like out of
the ordinary or nothing out of the norm that we should be raising our
eyebrows at. But I get a lot of stuff, as you said, a lot of hate
a lot of people trigger a lot of people just like clutching their
pearls. Like I just can't believe she said that. And in my mind. I'm
like said what? You know, but I think I think my my thought one of
my thoughts is that it's, it's a product of the times that we live
in, to be honest. And it's not only Muslim women. So I'm not
trying to direct you know, accusations that only Muslim as
it's, it's, it's, it's the product of our times regarding women in
general, right and including myself. And it's something I tried
to weed out in me and I'm not free of it. I'm not innocent of it. So
I'm not trying to point fingers at others or anything. But I do think
that women today in the climate that we're in the gynocentric,
gynocentric world that we're living in, no one can tell women
the truth. That's the blunt, honest to goodness, truth. This is
the conclusion I'm coming to based on my experience and based on what
you see online, sometimes you can in real life, it's not only
online, but who can tell women the truth. I don't I think the answer
is nobody knows. Right? And I think this is very troubling. And
it's deeply deeply concerning. Because when a man says, oh,
sisters, you know, should do this, this and this or try to refrain
from doing this, this and this. That is a big
like, How dare you say anything to women about women. You're not a
woman. You need to shut your mouth
You need to stay in your lane, take several seats, things that
take several seats back, you need to really just like step back and
think about what you've done. Because you're addressing women,
how dare you, you're a man, you have no conversation. And then if
a woman tries to tell women, her fellow women, her sisters, you
know, this is what Islam says, or this is what we should do or not
do.
It's like, No, you are self hating woman. What about the men? Like,
why are you addressing the women? Is it all on the women? Why are
you not talking to the men, so men cannot talk to women, women cannot
talk to women. And so now who can talk to women? cannula? Wow, it's
so true. But before we get down too far, I want to just pull you
up on that phrase that you use that that term that you used
gynocentric, right? Could you explain for people who have never
heard that before? Or who don't know what it means? What do you
mean by a gynocentric? World? Well, it's basically a world that
is catering to and built around the sensitivities of women. This
is how I define it at least. But this is how it truly seems to me,
this is my perception of everything that you know that the
world around us every all the interactions that we see online
people's words and actions and people's words and actions in real
life. And it's basically women.
Because of the influence of feminism, because of the influence
of many, many institutions, actually, and this is something
this is literally the topic of my first session in child law for
wife School, which was a few days I've been prepping, so I think
Shala love it. I love it. But you know, there's so many institutions
and
resources and environments that create this climate, they kind of
craft, they've crafted a climate that we're in now, where basically
women are goddesses and stuff for a lot of money. But in non Muslim
terms, you're a queen, you're a goddess, you hear that? And no one
can tell you otherwise. And you are perfect. Just Just the way you
are. And some people refer to this as the women are wonderful
effects. Women, right? Women are just wonderful, right? Just as you
are. You're amazing. There's so many songs, there's so many books
and things. affirm these Yes.
But their delusions, no one can tell you the truth, where they say
what's really interesting to me is how we've got Muslim versions of
those books, right? Muslim girls rise, if we could use the word
magic, I know people we say Muslim girl magic, because it sounds
really good, doesn't it? That's actually a really good one. But
you know, no one's really gonna do that. But Muslim girls rise,
powerful Muslim women, you know, all of this. We have it too, don't
we at the moment? SubhanAllah. All right. So we're not immune. We
live in a centric world. And we've been influenced by it's seeped
into our psyche. So you mean it's not a patriarchy? Like we keep
hearing? What's happening here? Well, okay, the patriarchy I don't
I don't deny the patriarchy or the existence of patriarchal
societies, throughout human history throughout, you know,
across space and time, I deny the fact that it's negative. Why is it
a negative thing? Why is it a bad thing? Well, this is the this is
the interesting thing, because my son is doing sociology at the
moment. He's studying sociology. So he came to me in the kitchen
today, and he said, Oh, we were just covering three different
types of feminism. So I said, Okay, tell me about them. So he
said, Well, there's what would you say there's radical feminism,
there's liberal feminism, and then there's Marxist feminism, right?
So sort of what's the difference between them? So what was
interesting to me was the the radical feminist view that the
problem is men. The problem is men and maleness, and by extension,
patriarchy, the patriarchal society, patriarchal structures,
and in fact, the whole society that we live in today, with its
hierarchy with its dominance, you know, and all of those things is a
reflection of masculinity. And that is why the system is broken,
right? And if you think about it, subhanAllah like you see echoes of
this i i Now since since I kind of washed myself free of woke ism and
took the red pill, haha, I can now hear it. I can hear when somebody
has, has has has that kind of conditioning. Because they they
relate everything they believe that the system is
across the board is oppressive. Is is bad is oppressive is rotten to
the core. And if women were in charge, we would do better. We
would everything will be better if women were in charge. Is that is
that is that kind of accurate? Would you say for people who are
like on that? Yes, I completely agree. I see it too. It's not just
your name. I see the same trends and the same patterns in women
that I know. And this is not women online. This is not hearsay. For
me. This is literally conversations that I have with
people in my life very some very close to me. And some
acquaintances some friends and you know some people within even my
family or my extended family. This is actually
An issue that's very close to my heart. It's near and dear, it's
not, you know, because I think sometimes when I write online on
these things, or give examples, sometimes people are like, who
even does that? Who even says these things, but you are so far
fetched and US history? You know, and I'm like making stuff up.
Yeah, exactly. And what I can't say I wish I could say, but I
wait, what I can't tell them is, this is one of my siblings. And we
had this conversation yesterday, I'm not making things up. This is
or this is a good friend that I grew up with, or this is someone
I've known for 20 years. And we had this conversation face to
face, not on the phone, not I didn't read this somewhere, I post
somewhere. Exactly. So I'm writing a post, but I can't tell you who
it is. But it's not I did not make this person up. And I didn't make
this conversation up. And in fact, you are, if you've been, you know,
coming to LA, you're blessed enough not to be dealing with
people like this are surrounded by these very scary and very
dangerous ideas. That's good for you. But not all of us live in
that reality. Some of us live in this world where women are
incredibly surprised some women not again, I want to be careful,
not all women, not you know, everywhere. And you know, not
everyone, but certain women because of succumbing to certain
very specific influences and agendas have have been influenced.
And this is how they talk. Like I'll tell you, I'll tell you one
thing, one of the scariest conversations that I've had with a
person very close to me, was when I
it's the person who's very close to me, like a sister, like a very
dear year. And she I told her once Hey, you know what, I just read an
article that's deeply disturbing. And I wanted her to like, share in
my shock over.
So I told her, I read this article, like this newspaper clip,
where basically it's a woman who I think she was Egyptian, most of
the year of the knife was.
But she was an Egyptian woman who was married to this man. And for
some reason, she had some issues, and she ended up killing him,
decapitating him, she cut off his head. And then she chopped off his
genitalia. And she likes, she stuffed it in the freezer. This is
like Jeffrey Dahmer type stuff. That's exactly what I was
thinking, Wow.
This is psychopathic behavior. And so guess what this girl says that
I'm having this face to face conversation with in my kitchen.
So I'm like, you know, isn't that so? disturbing? Aren't you just
shocked or appalled? I was appalled. And she looked at me
dead, you know, making eye contact. She looked at me dead in
the eyes. And she said, he must have done something to her. You to
deserve it. He probably deserve it. He got what's coming to him?
Because no woman would do that for no reason. So what was the what
did he do? And I was like, I had to pick my jaw up off the floor,
because I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Because if you were
to flip the script, and we were talking about a man, completely
unacceptable, completely unacceptable victim shaming,
victim blaming, you know, it's no, it's definitely a no, yeah,
exactly. But this is the kind of stuff that women are allowed to
get away with, we're allowed to say that, and like not bat an eye
when that we. And I just looked at her, like, horrified, not just an
article, but now I'm horrified at this reaction from her. And she
just looked at me like what, what I say? Well, I think that's one of
the things I noticed, in in this current climate is
different levels of distaste, when it comes to men, so there's
contempt, there's disdain, there's suspicion, there's hatred, there's
almost this, this, this, this, this characterization of men as
the enemy, right? They're always wrong. They're always the
oppressors. They are always to blame for whatever the situation,
whatever has happened, and they are never worthy of respect. And
they're never worthy of empathy, unless they are behaving in a way
that we deem is correct and suitable for a man to behave.
What's going on with that?
I mean, honestly, I think women are known for being very, for
having deep empathy. And this is a beautiful feminine trait that I
agree most women do have lots of empathy. We sympathize very easily
with others and we're sensitive to not just our own pain, but the
pain of other people. So we have that ability to empathize, which
is beautiful. I think that's beautiful and it's it is a
feminine trait. I think we excel at over men for example, who maybe
they empathize, but maybe not to the same extent.
Yours the big but in the times that we live in.
Women's empathy has been railroaded to only good very
specific groups, mainly other women, and only, not even all
other women, only women who think the feminist way the right way to
think right. We exclude from our feminine sympathy and empathy. We
exclude most men because they're toxic and patriarchal and the
enemy, but also exclude some
Women. Yeah. Because they are self hating. Yeah.
I've been called that you've been called that. Yeah.
We are the pygmy club. We love it. Yeah. What's it called? Pick Me
nation. Yeah, kick me out.
Because I've already been kicked out. I'm not, you know, so
it's already happened. You're too late. You should have called me
that before I got hashtag picked. Okay, get it right.
That's exactly it. So you know, so I think women's empathy is just
like it's not it's been limited, and it's been deformed more into
this, like selective empathy. Would you say that that women's
sympathy and empathy and maybe compassion? Do you think that the
current kind of I don't know whether the viewers on my channel
will understand what I mean when I say so for woke politics? Right.
But do you think that because I see women, emoting and empathizing
with other people, not just women, but other minorities or people who
are perceived as the oppressed? Right, the underdog, right? Do you
think that that is also where our empathy is being pushed towards as
well, because I see a lot of women making that like, they are the
majority who are speaking on behalf of whoever that behalf of
is some kind of marginalized group oppressed group. You know, what,
what are your thoughts on that? Right, and I think basically,
women are good at empathizing with the victim. Now, this is us, it
says the victim, right? We have this concept, even in the kind of
current kind of dominant mainstream culture like, you know,
victim blaming, don't like when the victim things like that. So we
liked this idea of the victim. And normally, I'm not saying that this
is not true. There are no victims, Forestar victims, and things
happen and some people are truly oppressed, and they've been
totally wrong than they are actually victims. So any of that,
but the bad thing is, in our day and age, we have a victim problem.
We have like a victim complex or victims.
Identity that this is it. That's it the victim identity, it's like
a crown that you put on, right? Yeah, where I was gonna say it's
like a cloak that you wear on yours is even better. It's like a
crown that you put on your head, because it gives you certain
status. It's like, yes, the victim status which is furs upon you.
Yes, sir. In privileges and certain, like, Oh, and this is
this is the thing. So the what is the opposite of a victim? From
what I can tell? It's this idea of privilege. Yeah, the privileged
have to be quiet, they have to take a step back, they have to
stay in their lane, they have to just like not have anything to
say, because your privilege should shut you up. You're privileged,
you have no room, there's no space for you in this conversation. You
need to sit down because you're so considered privileged men,
primarily men most and interestingly enough men, straight
men, as a whole. Yeah, as a whole as this monolithic group, straight
men as specifically straight white men. They are definitely sort of
enemy number one, I would say But men can also all join that even if
the other races as long as they're straight, they can be in that
group to go on in Muslim and Muslim conversations. It's that
translates to straight like heterosexual Muslim men, which are
mostly Muslim men. So that's, that's me. Number one. That's like
the most privileges like you need to really but no one wants to hear
what you have to say you have nothing. Okay? Yeah, that's,
that's the privileged group. And then the victim group on the other
side of that, in contrast, we have the victim, who has all the things
in the world to say, and they get to just unload, and just like,
intense, like, kind of like word vomit on everyone else in the
public space, because they've been wronged. And they need to, you
know, count for you and list for you all the different ways that
the privilege group has stomped on their neck. And, yeah, this whole
is this gigantic, you know, do you think that is? I'm trying to kind
of connect dots here. So women in general, we emote, right, we
empathize, we sympathize, I would say that we are more emotionally
driven. Would you agree with that, as in our thinking is impacted by
the way we feel? So the way that we will view a situation is
heavily influenced by emotionally how we're how we are viewing?
Would you agree with that? Absolutely. 100% Yes. So then, of
course, that makes sense. If you know, if if we're emotion and if
we're emotional, and we're being led by our emotions, then of
course, our empathy and sympathy is going to be with the one we
think is wronged. Right? And the one that is perceived as wronged,
obviously, is in their feelings too. Right? Most of the time, it's
a feeling it's a feeling of being victimized. It's the feeling of
being humiliated or marginalized or oppressed. Right. And so now
you've got this lovely feeling soup going on. Right? Everything's
feelings. And I think what what gets completely sidelined in this
festival of feelings is actual
Facts and, and logic, right and we rational and irrational reality.
Right? And and where you see that the most and I've been observing
this from the outside, I'm not American. Thank God hamdulillah
I'm so pleased because it's so it's so bipartisan right in the
US. And I see this happening so much now where you have something
like, like BLM, for example, right? And George Floyd, and these
cops like the when there's a police killing, and it's a huge
festival of feelings, right? And of course, now it's a corporate
sponsored festival of feelings, right? Because all the
corporations feel they have to put money in and virtue signal and let
everyone know, like, how connected they are, and all that kind of
stuff. And you know, how progressive they are, and all that
stuff, however, where it becomes untenable and starts to unravel,
is when people start to bring statistics and facts and, and data
that just pushes the story over. It's like, well, yeah, okay, it
looks like that. And you guys are all feeling some kind of way. But
the reality is, this is what happened, or this is what's
happening, or these are the numbers, it's not the what's being
created by this feverish kind of imagination. These are the facts.
And it's, it's, it's a very, it's a stark contrast this, I can't get
over it. It's, I think, well, like everybody has their own
perspective. And which is understandable, because we see
things from how we see, when we see things from where we're
standing, we could be looking at the same event, like the central
event in the middle, and I'm standing on this side, and I see
it from my angle, and you're standing opposite me, you're
seeing it from your angle, and that's okay. And people on the
left and the right, they're seeing things from wherever they're
standing. So that's there's nothing specifically wrong with
that. But the bad thing is, when we and then you know, from where
we're standing, we see things in a certain way from our angle. And
then we have certain feelings that come up about this. But the bad
thing is when we start making laws or big decisions, or like enacting
things in reality, that are limited to only this perspective
that I have, and the feeling I have about it, if if we can't rise
above that to try to accommodate Okay, well, this is my
perspective, this is what I saw when you see and what did you see
what you know what reality and as Muslims, it's not just what you
see and what he sees, or what she sees is what Allah tells us, what
does Allah because Allah You know, so kind of with Allah this is the
reality of Allah is the reality he tells us things as they are and we
can feel whatever we feel about it but yeah, look many Allah Allah
has the hope. Mala gives us you know, actual commands and Allah
gives us guidance and how what to do in what situation what is
actually just what is actually fair, because our feelings are
fine their feelings, and we're entitled to our feelings, but they
are not always just they're not always fair, because they don't
take into account everybody and there, we see our pain, but I
don't see you know, for example, as a Muslim woman, I see Muslim
women's pain. And I extend that to i that courtesy I extend it to my
sister on my left and on my right, because I know the pain that I go
through. So I'm like, well, she does too. And she does too, but I
don't know the pain that men go through. So I in my limited
feelings kind of driven state of emotion. I just assumed they have
no PII. But I just don't know what it is. So I just assumed this but
it exists. Yeah. It's it's as you're saying, you know, it's kind
of this focus on seeing the world only through your own lens. And
and not even accepting that okay, but that is just your lens. Okay?
It's not the end of this whole my truths. Oh, this is my truth. And
this is your truth. I have no idea how much I hate I hate that word.
I like women love it. Women your
mind before the word truth. It's
It's not them. It's done. But this is this kind of revenue, this
revolving around the self, right, that I wanted to ask to touch on.
Because I remember when you came for the, the secrets of success,
successful wives conference, we had a really good live stream on
feminism, right? And you mentioned this, this this, I don't know
whether it was a theory at the time. But you mentioned, you know,
the role of narcissism in the feminist worldview in a sort of
the gynocentric order as a whole. Can you just go into that a bit
more Inshallah, because I find it really fascinating. I've read more
of your stuff since then, on this issue, but break it down, because
we only ever hear about narcissism really about men, usually your
narcissistic husbands. Okay, what were you hearing about, but what's
your take on it? Yes, absolutely. So basically, this is an idea that
I had, I was not thinking about feminism at the time, but I was
just, you know, dealing with some things and kind of observing some
people and some interactions that I had seen. And I was started
really thinking a lot about narcissism, which again, I'm not
promoting I should put this disclaimer out there before people
jump to conclusions. I am not endorsing
or, you know, applauding the field of psychology as a whole, like
secular liberal psychology that has its own messes and problems,
but certain things, you know, it's it's observable reality, you can
tell you can see. And you know, there are certain ways of kind of
helping ourselves understand why people act the way that they do.
So, basically, I started reading up on and watching videos and
doing research on this idea of narcissism, and what it means and
the manifestations of narcissism. And basically, for people who
aren't familiar, narcissism is just a pathology of the self. It's
like a second, when a person has a fractured sense of self, stemming
from various different things. Sometimes it goes back to
childhood, often it goes back to childhood and parenting or lack of
gearing. So a person can grow up with a fractured sense of self
very fragile understanding of who they are, and a lot of insecurity,
right. So basically, what happens is narcissists have a kind of a
grouping a cluster of Hallmark features, that there's different
kinds of narcissism and all that. But just in general, this idea of
the narcissist is a person who is not only selfish, but because
that's like on the surface, it just seems like someone.
But it's actually it's when you think of like as a pathology. This
is what people have said, basically, it is a person who has
an exaggerated sense of self importance to almost over
compensate for their own actual identity crisis and real real
insecurity about who they are and if they're worth anything. So then
to compensate what they do is they overcompensate, and then they
project this very grandiose over exaggerated sense of self
importance. Like I am this look at me, I'm the greatest I, you know,
like there's different kinds of narcissists. And me like yes,
Queen. That is exactly, I deserve this. And this I'm in. I'm worth
it. Exactly, exactly. So the next piece of it after the first part
is an exaggerated sense of self importance. Number two is an
entitlement, a certain attitude, you entitled to certain things I
deserve is this and this, this is how I deserve to be treated as the
kind of man I deserve to be with. This is what this is what you owe
me, right? People are indebted to me. Why? Because I deserve it. I'm
entitled, you owe me what you owe me because and I don't owe you
anything because who's the victim here? Like the narcissist is both
grandiose, like I owe this amazing person. I'm such a big deal. But
also, I'm the injured victim. I'm the injured party. I'm the wronged
party. But you need to say I need reparations. Do you know what I
mean? Yeah, so number two is entitlement number three is a lack
of empathy. For others. The narcissist in general tends to
have a glaring
lack of empathy for other people and the pain of other people a
sensitivity to what they might be feeling. So a narcissist will do
or say things without thinking without a second thought about how
it might make the other person feel while randomly in a weird
twist, being hypersensitive themselves, they're hypersensitive
to criticism, sensitive to how they might affect other people and
how they make other people feel. So and number four is a victim
complex. This is all stuff we just touched on now. Being a victim, I
am a victim. I'm constantly wronged. I'm just so oppressed,
like everybody's out to get me the world. The odds are stacked
against me.
People have had it out for me from day one.
Victim complex, and all the failures that they do. They are
will see this I'm a victim I've tried to go to you know, I tried
to get a job and I was fired. I'm a victim. It can't be me.
Or I tried to go to school and I flunked out. It wasn't me. It's so
there's no self accountability. There is no accountability.
There's no responsibility for personal actions. It's always you
know, outward, it's like I'm a victim, right? And the fifth part
that these things are all kind of related as you'll see. But the
fifth kind of hallmark feature is this is a narcissist is a person
who requires it convenient scapegoat, a scapegoat someone you
can pin all your problems on and blame things for and it's,
you know, it's just constantly getting in your way constantly
sabotaging you, and they are the reason for your failures, not you
because it can never be because you don't know how to handle
because basically, this idea of this fragile sense of self is too
fragile to take on any sort of accountability or responsibility.
Right? Right. So it has to be but then certain problems arise. So
how do we solve that problem? Well, it has to be somebody's
fault. It sure can't be my fault. So it's got to be your your this.
So you can work
on me. What's what's happening here? Do you think that society
and our conditioning is turning women into narcissists will lie?
That is actually what I think? Yes, I do. And I think it's maybe
it's an unconventional claim to make or might be a bold statement,
but I genuinely think based on things I've seen in people I've
interacted with some women, some women have fallen for
or it's a certain agenda and it kind of pulls you along for the
ride. And if you're not careful, you will be turned into this very
entitled narcissist who just is a taker, who feels entitled to
things who thinks of herself constantly as the victim
constantly of the patriarchy, the patriarchy is usually the
scapegoat, and idle, you have very little empathy. And you have this
exaggerated sense of who you are and your importance, and you're
Queen slay queen, you know, slay the patriarchy, like, so these are
things that are very damaging, and no human being wants to deal with
a narcissist, whether male or female, but women are trained, you
know, they're not careful, they get trained in this western
secular feminist system, they get trained to be like this. So who
wants to deal with? Right? Yeah. 100% There are some this as you're
giving us, these little,
I don't know, if sort of slogans, it's reminding you of certain
Instagram accounts that I used to follow. That are, they're toxic.
They really, really, really are toxic. I'll start naming them, I
want to find subs, I can read them to you because I just the level of
the lack of self awareness, I think, and the lack of humility is
is what what stands out the most, you know, it's it's complete
entitlement. You know, you like you said, they're the center of
the universe, right? You're the center of the universe. Everything
you do is the best for the best. And anybody who stands in your way
basically is just a hater. And, you know, it's it's just, it's
crazy. To me, it's really crazy. And the unfortunate thing is that
if you imbibe all those messages, you're actually not a very
pleasant person to be around. And while your girlfriends might find
it fun and cute, and you're sassy, and they're like, Yes, girl that's
right girl, I see you know, you deserve that.
Ultimately, you don't want to settle down with your girlfriends.
Right? Many of us do want actually a partner but what I see happening
with specially this,
especially this latest brand of very in your face, loud and proud,
obnoxious feminist feminist confidence is that it makes you
utterly repulsive to men. It's they're utterly repulsed by it.
Right? I don't know any man who has said, yeah, that's that's
that's what I'm about. Yeah, that kind of entitled in your face,
finger snapping attitude having sassy girl. Yeah, that's my girl.
What do you think? Well, you know what, you know what those men will
be accused of though. They're intimidated. They can? Cool. Why
are men intimidated by strong women? And what I always want to
say is No, sweetie, they're not intimidated by you or your
strength. They're repulsed by you and your obnoxiousness. That's,
that's what it is.
Check this one out. So did you ever hear the term a well behaved
man? I've never, ever heard it. It's always women who are well
behaved girls who are well behaved. For us. It's our turn.
I'm done being well behaved.
So hang on. So now hosting the hook is a slur personal, it was
not followed is good manners. Well, well, being well behaved
well, you're conducting yourself well, carrying yourself well,
that's, that's essentially what well behaved means. And then we're
done with professional follow up. Really?
Yeah, it's unbelievable. I mean, a lot of this goes against Islam and
Islamic conduct Islamic conceptions of what it means to be
a good human being not just a good woman 100% You know, we have
standards for good women and good men and what that means, but even
just a basic on a human level, regardless of gender, we have
personal hope. We have this idea of trying to rid ourselves of
kibra, Cambridge's a very big disease of this Yeah, I'm better
than you looking down on other people putting above other people
kind of putting yourself on this pedestal. This is horrible. This
is dangerous. Islamically I have another one for you. Don't worry,
it's related to that. I have a limited amount of time left on
this planet. And I'm not going to spend it being a watered down
version of myself just so people can like me.
That's edgy. That is very edgy. You know, so kind of like, it's
just, it's really sad. And it's really childish. Like, as you're
reading these off, aren't they like very juvenile? Like this is?
This is like how a 13 year old girl talks, you know? Exactly,
exactly. And, and these are big women. You know, the the women who
follow these, these channels who create these channels actually are
women in their 30s especially the large I think the bulk of this
particular channels audience is women late 20s into their 30s
tea's who are being sold this whole idea of being a boss, babe,
right? Being a boss be being a bad be, you know securing the bag and
you know, no man's going to do this and no man is going to do
that, you know, I'm too busy chasing the bag to chase a man and
all of this. This very so much bravado, right so much bravado.
And I want to hear your opinion on this because I was having this
conversation with my sons. And they were like, Mom Stop hating on
these these women in their 20s, you know, who are kind of going
through their thing like let them have their fun holidays like, you
know, why are you talking about them. And I said, You know what?
The marketing and the spin is really effective in the 20s. And
in the 30s. Because these ladies now they're in their 30s. And they
still look young, you notice 30 year olds nowadays, it's hard to
tell if somebody is like 30 to 35, they look like could be in their
20s, right. And they've now got their career, they've got their
money, they've got their designer brands, I've got all this cool
stuff, right and traveling, having girls trips, doing all that stuff.
So So you know, the marketing is great. Where you will hit a really
big roadblock, is when they're in their 40s and 50s and 60s, because
at that point, the marketers have nothing to say, because the truth
of their situation becomes very clear. Now they will come up with
something right? They always do, they will come up with a way to
spin it. So that Oh yeah, it's okay, like you're winning at life.
But we all knew * in the City, what happened in * in the City,
they sold this idea, right? That you could be in your 30s into your
late 30s. And basically sleeping around and you know, living for
money and alcohol and all of this stuff, but you'll still find a
man, you know, your dream guy is still going to snap you up. And
you know, you're going to ride off into the sunset. We know that's
not true.
Exactly. And this is this is the lie that's been sold to women. And
I think it's one of the saddest and most tragic things that have
happened because of feminism and this gynocentric world. And this,
this messaging that we're bombarded with is as you said,
it's perfectly apt in your 20s, like late teens, early 20s. Women
are women feel like they are very powerful, they're at their peak.
And they are in fact at their peak in terms of beauty, Youth Study
fertility, so there are actually it's actually biologically driven
or biologically rooted. So, you know, so Pamela, I mean, this is
the vast, vast topic, but basically, so women are really
feel valuable. But what they do is they squander it, what they do is,
but they don't understand that they see it as Oh, I have to
become empowered, I have to find myself having my fun. Exactly, I
find myself live my best life no best living your best life is for
later on, that's in your 30s Right, that's when you start to
say I'm living my best life. Before that, it's I'm having my
fun hot girls summer, all of this murder, and the hot, the hot, I'm
trying to find myself like Are you lost. And I think that that is
actually there's some truth to that these women are lost some of
them
raised in a certain way, being taught their purpose being taught
who their creator is, and how we worship our Creator, what we were
created to do, and what our roles are in life, what our priorities
should be, then you are lost. And you really do have to find
yourself because you're absolutely lost, you don't know anything. So
you have to go and stumble about and wander around to find
yourself. But unfortunately, what happens is you'll make a lot of
mistakes. And you you waste a lot of time, and a lot of resources.
And then you hit your 30s As you say, and then now you're starting
to feel a little bit anxious, maybe mid 30s, late 30s, you start
to get a little bit panicky, you're alone, life is fun, but
it's not quite as satisfying as it maybe had been in your 20s on
that. And then you're and then you're as you're saying, you
become I heard it called invisible. When women become
invisible. Typically older women, men no longer pay attention to
you, you don't get the same kind of attention that you used to in
the comments section, your likes on your Instagram selfies.
Everything starts to go down. And then you look around and you say,
Oh, how did this happen? I'm alone. Yeah, I'm 42 I'm alone. And
you know, then you start to get the cats. You get a few cats. You
know, it's crazy. You know, I remember.
I remember seeing an interview that Jordan Peterson did, I can't
remember what it was, who it was with or whatever. But he was
talking about
how, as you said women were sold this idea that the career was the
thing, right? self actualization and empowerment through education
and Korea was the thing and the reality of it being that at the
end of your life, that's not what will count.
It's the time that you invested in building a home and building a
family and building a life for you and your spouse and your children.
Right? That is what pays dividends in the end right? Even if you
didn't
Secure the bag, right? Because the bag, the bag at the end of this,
it's like, you know, people who sacrifice themselves for a career
and then they get fired. Right? Because your job can do that your
job can replace you any time. Right? And he I think he, his
point in this was women have have have been, it's like they're
trying to deprogram our biological desire to be mothers and to build
a nest and to like, raise like the next generation and to establish,
you know, a lineage. We're being deprogrammed. And we're being
reprogrammed with all of this stuff that while it helps the
capitalist society to grow, and proliferate and be this amazing
space of innovation and massive wealth, and all of this leaves us
empty in the end, right? Everyone really, because obviously, the
dunya can never fill our bellies at the end of the day, but
especially especially cruelly, women, because we are the ones who
trade off fertility for the Korean men don't do that. Men, I'm not
being told to not have children and have careers instead, we're
the ones being told that Right? Right, and I just don't know,
sorry, go ahead. Let you finish. Sorry. No, no, no, no, I was just
gonna say that this idea to me when I learned it a few years ago,
I didn't always know this, but it blew my mind this idea of the
fertility window, right. I'd never heard that term before. But as
Muslims we have this kind of intuitively or within our
generally Muslim cultures, you know, yes. Married at a somewhat
of a young age kind of this is just in our culture. Um, you know,
like, in general, like Arabs have this DCS have this, Muslims tend
to have every single traditional culture in the entire creation has
had that at some point in time, because it doesn't make sense.
Even non Muslims, it's not about religion is biological and how
Allah has raided us, even if people do not believe in Allah,
they still it's like the reality of the situation. fitrah is what
the fitrah is, you know, exactly. That's exactly it. So. So we have
this idea of women getting married earlier, and men to especially in
previous generations, men also married earlier, they had a little
bit more time than women. And basically what I learned was, the
fertility window of women is very short. And it comes early in late
teens or mid teens, even biologically, till maybe late 20s,
or very early 30s. In that kind of range, you're, you know, at 35
years old, we know it's a geriatric pregnancy, right,
geriatric meaning like elderly, because you're kind of pushing the
limits, very, you know, end limits of that fertility window as a
woman, and this is biological and that you can't hate on it. You
can't say it's bullying you this is your biology telling you,
right? So you're not a victim. This is just how biology works.
And like for men, they also have a fertility window, but it extends
so much for decades after the women's fertility window ends, the
man's fertility window is still open, and it ends sometime in his
like 70s. You know, men can father children, when women can no longer
bear children. So it's a very different calculation. And I think
the trick that feminism has played on modern women, is to promise
women that if they have, if they have the same lifestyle as men and
do the same actions as men, that they will have the same outcomes
as men, right? Certainly false, this is unbelievably false.
Because of biology, and because of looking at your fertility window,
you do not have the same fertility window as a man. So he has options
that you don't have. And it's not because of the patriarchy. It's
just how Allah created us. It's this idea there's when I say
reality, right? I mean, that like reality, but this is reality, I It
hurts your feelings, I'm sorry. But you either deal with it, and
you with your eyes wide open, right? And you will make informed
decisions to benefit you not to benefit me or someone else or the
patriots to benefit yourself. You close your eyes, like a two year
old and say no, no, no, I don't see it. I refuse to it's a social
construct. Biology is a social construct. And you know, this,
this is this is I think, I think and I could be wrong if I am
please correct me you either you or somebody or one of the viewers,
but
the critical theories, right? Critical Race Theory, critical
class and all of the rest of it. Right? The critical theories, I
think they're specialized in pulling things apart. Right? And,
and, and problematizing things. So for example, biology, right,
nature versus nurture, okay, what is truly our nature and what is
it's just a social construct is something that society has put on
us. And the thing is, it's interesting because even our own
not even not you I'm not gonna say even having a conversation with
your own children, who may have been in the school system, you
will find that they have imbibed these ideas, these critical
theories right where they will like if you bring an example of a
traditional household to them
For example, from Islam, they'll say that's a social construct,
right? It's not to do with biology, right? Why should it be
the man who does this? And the woman who does that? And if you
try to say biological, it's like, no, no, no, it's cultural. It's a
social construct. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's made up
basically, right? It has no bearing. And we can change our
biology, we can change the way we're wired. And I remember having
this argument with my son, and he was saying, like, if it enough
generations, embrace a certain thing, you can rewire human beings
to actually see things differently, right. And at the
time, I argued with him, but when I see these Gen Z's and the ideas
that they hold about gender, for example, right, gender expression,
gender identity, gender fluidity and all of this.
I wonder whether we are being rewired? Actually it's impossible.
Nyima, it's impossible. I firmly believe this and I know that this
is gonna sound radical in our day and age of like, everything is
fluid and your non binary you are how you feel. How do you feel
today? Do you feel male or female today? You know, it this is
craziness and I don't believe it for a second. The person who
coined who coined the term gender identity was a man a very sick,
sick, perverted, named John money. Are you familiar with him? I am
very familiar. I have his book or not his book. I have the book.
It's called as nature made him the boys.
I haven't I haven't finished it yet because I am very easily
distracted and I have a lot of stuff going on. But I started it
and it's absolutely fascinating, but it's basically this book is
the story of a little boy. Reimer Joshua Rhymer No, Brian? Yeah, no,
Bruce, Bruce and Brian. Yeah, I might there were two of them when
they were twins went there. When boys Yes, twin boys from Canada
who were born healthy male babies. You know, everything is normal
everything. Do you mean that they were assigned male at birth? Is
that what you mean? The doctors, the doctors assigned male at
birth? Okay. Those are called doctors.
So, could they even do such a thing? Like, where would they get
evidence for such a thing? All right, anyway, we will never know.
You know, it's just it's you know, so patriarchy. So basically, these
two male babies, they were everything is normal. When they
were eight months old, their parents wanted to circumcise them,
because they had some issues or, you know, for whatever reason, so
they took them to the hospital to be circumcised in Canada, the
first baby boy was taken in. And when the procedure was happening,
they tried to do the circumcision. They butchered it by accident. It
was like a malfunction, the machine malfunction, and it
completely burned this poor baby's genitalia, like completely off. So
now you're faced with the problem of how will we fix this, they
obviously took their babies home, both of them the second one they
didn't even attempt to do circumcision, they were
traumatized, obviously, was a big, big problem. And then who do they
fall into the clutches of they heard about this vamp, very famous
doctor in America by the name of John Money, who was making a lot
of money. Ironically, his name is like, so creepy to me that his
name is John money. He was making a name for himself and a lot of
money, doing * reassignment and * change surgery
to us, and he basically managed to lower them to his hospital and he
was like, I can fix your baby. He's this, we can fix this. And
these parents had no hope. They were realize they were in despair.
They were kind of thinking how is our child going to grow up and be
a healthy man? How is he going to be married and have children?
Right? So he was like, Oh, don't worry, don't worry, I got this. I
got this sec. You guys are in good hands. Just hand him over to me.
I'll fix this. And so what he convinced them to do was to
basically do a gender reassignment surgery on poor Brian and turn
Brian into Brenda turned him from a male into a female baby and just
raise him as a girl. And so panel Well, this man was Did they do a
surgery? Or they did they just decided we're gonna raise him as a
go, did they? Or did they actually do a surgery?
Because this is a very complicated process like scientifically and
medically, yes, there were multiple different surgeries. It's
not even Oh, he had to endure a lot of psychological and physical
and emotional distress. And he was very, very boyish. Basically John
one his theory was, it's all nurture. There's no nature. It's
all the same, like if we just rewire enough generations, with
enough time we can just like rewire everything. It is
impossible because John when he did his best, and he can do it.
What happened was Brian, as Brenda he was very boyish, she was very
masculine, very rowdy, rambunctious loud, all the
stereotypically masculine kind of little boy behaviors that you
would expect he likes. They tried to give Brenda little doll houses
and dolls to nurture like a mom like with her baby. That's what
little girls do. Brenda hated it. Brenda would rather have machine
guns and like little toy guns and tinker with trucks and cars and
she
played with her brother. She was actually the leader because it's
really it's the older of the two brothers. Yeah. So and then the
younger brother, the younger twin just followed her around. And you
know, they wrestled, they played in the mud. It was just it was a
mess. She was picked on in school, everyone follows something off
about Brenda, or teachers. You know, they were very distressed
that how she was acting, she always came home dirty. The other
kids did not like her because the girls thought she was a very
boyish girl. And and she wasn't a normal girl because she wasn't.
And the boys didn't like her because it's a girl. I mean, it's
a freaky kind of weird. She's weird. So it was SubhanAllah. It's
like a very traumatizing thing to go through. Anyway, long story
short, when they were adults, are actually one when he was 14, this
for boy decided, You know what? He found out the truth. He said, No,
I want to go back to being a male. I'm a boy. I'm not a girl. And he
named himself David. So David Rhymer. And then what happened was
he committed suicide later in life. And his brother Brian, the
younger twin also committed suicide. So I think he did
experiments on them didn't hate on money. He did this is this is the
part that is also really sad. I didn't want to go into too many
tangents. But yes, he did experiments, like very sexual in
nature, when they were children, when they were 234 years old,
experimenting with the sexuality of children and two siblings like
having them do very disgusting sexual acts. This is why I say he
was a pervert. And he had a lot of father issues like that John one.
Yeah, I read about him.
Very, like strict and very authoritarian. And he was a soft
boy, John Money was when as a boy, it was softer. He liked music he
liked, you know, thinking and psychology and things like that.
So his father, I guess, didn't treat him in a certain way. And he
always saw his father as like the villain. Yes, General hated
masculinity in general, he had an issue with masculinity. But you
know, sis,
definitely want to, we need to do a reaction to what is a woman? I
don't know whether you've seen the documentary. Have you seen it?
Yes. Okay, girl, we do.
But you know, one of the things that I wanted to mention, as you
were talking about, you know, what they turned into this, what they
turned this little boy into, which was basically a freak, right. And
since this is a podcast conversation about womanhood and
being a woman, I really do see an attack on womanhood that's taking
place in front of us. And one of the groups that I I
don't know why.
But I, I am so incensed by what is happening with young girls being
encouraged to transition to be males.
And being allowed to get on puberty blockers, and have double
mastectomies. And hysterectomy is because they've been convinced
that they're in the wrong body, and that being a boy will solve
whatever issues they're having. Right? And those and the thing is
I've I've read the transition stories.
And if you if you are, God says, it's so it's so funny to hear you
say this name, because I had my own period, not that long ago, I
was obsessed with D transitioning and male to female to male
transitions and female to male to female transitions. So it is so
interesting and fascinating to me to hear another Muslim sisters
talk about I thought I was like, weirdly, like, fascinated by that.
Because it's so crazy. It's, it's so crazy, it is so pervasive. And
what I can't stand or what makes me so angry, is how these woke
marketers keep pushing trans individuals, as this beacon of
coolness of beauty of you know, I can't stand it any more to see
them pushing this agenda in adverts in their videos in the
films, I can't stand it. And you know what, it's got nothing to do
with a person's gender expression. It's got nothing to do with that.
Because at the end of the day, everyone's got their own journey.
But but but where I draw the line is where no one is being real with
these young people, about the consequences of getting on that
journey towards transition. All they do is tell them, you'll be a
new person, right? It's almost like a conversion, right? It's
like, you know, you'll be like a newborn baby. All the issues that
you had before the dysphoria, the feeling uncomfortable with
yourself, the discomfort with the opposite * or your feelings
towards the same *, whatever it is that you're facing right now.
You clearly are trans and once you transition, there will be this
heaven awaiting you and your whole life will be will be better and
the reality of their * that
These young people are now facing and CES, what breaks my heart.
It's done.
It's done this thing they can do once you've had that phalloplasty
No, no, forget about it. Because that's not where it starts. Once
you've had the double mastectomy, you've had the hysterectomy,
you've been on hormones and your voice has changed. And you're you
know, you're you're, you've got that Adam's apple, you've got the
facial hair, right? I see those poor girls who've had their
* cut off, right? And they d transition. And they're like, I
know, I'm not a boy.
But how am I a girl, look at the kind of girl that I am, I will
never be a mother. I can't, you know, like, who is going to love
me, as I am now. Um, they've basically it's literally like, a
Freak Factory. And I say this in a in a sense of not not pointing the
finger at anybody. But literally, if you, you're putting them in
this limbo, where they're neither boy nor girl, they're just an
oddity. And nobody knows what to do with them. And they don't even
know what to do with themselves. They're, it's shocking to me.
Exactly. It's pushing this new, androgynous being neither female
nor male, neither feminine or masculine in fertile as well. In
fact, they're all They're sterile, they're androgynous. And they
don't know. And you know, what I've read and watched a few of
these stories myself, and what the common denominator that I think I
see is a lack of belonging and aspire, like a longing to belong,
yes, this is what I see peep, these people are longing to belong
somewhere, some sort of tribe, and it often stems from the family. So
it's very important to emphasize and highlight tarbiyah, the
importance of tarbiyah, the importance of the mother, and the
importance of the Father, in both of those parents, you need both
parents, and how that affects children when they don't have it.
And so a lot of these poor girls and sometimes boys, but a lot of
these poor children, they don't really have a very close family,
their parents are distant, or they were raised by single mom, or the
Father is not in the picture or whatever. Both parents are out
working long hours, and this kid had to raise herself or he had to
raise himself. And they fall in the fall in with a bad crowd,
usually online. And usually, this is yeah, this is what I was gonna
say, Right? Is that, you know, a lot, I don't know about the
parenting side of things, because obviously, I've seen, you know,
these these girls who are like, like, I couldn't explain it to my
mom, like, I couldn't tell her for it, you know, whatever was going
on, but it's online, isn't it? That's where the groom is, they're
being groomed. They're being groomed all the time being
groomed. And and it's and like I said, it's what what hurts me is
that they present this trans identity, like, like you said,
like this loving family, right? This loving, accepting family
comments do you are, you know, we love you, as you are bullsh. Sorry
to say if it's not true, and what hurts is when you see, you know,
young people, like you said, looking for belonging, looking
for, you know, sometimes looking for an identity, looking for some
kind of status, looking to be different, somehow looking for
people to look at them and say, Wow, for something, right. And
they go into this into this cult, slash community, whatever you want
to call it, and they get drawn down the rabbit hole. They do
these irreversible and very expensive procedures that they can
never come back from really most of them that once they go to
surgery and cutting and all that they can't come back from that
right fully. And even though the doctors tell them it's reversible,
and you know, you can stop at any time. Again,
not true. But they go down this rabbit hole. And then if at some
point, they realize this hasn't solved my problems, I'm still
depressed. I still have anxiety, I still feel scared.
That was never the problem. My body was never the problem. It was
my mind. And they have to try and make a way back out of that
community. That community of course shuns them completely. So
that belonging that they thought they had they loot they risk
losing that as well. Right. So I can't I it senses me. No, you're
absolutely right. It's all a mirage. Like it's all false. You
know, the reminds me of Shipe on you know, tripod, like why may I
do commercial Bong.
Bong does not promise you anything except deception, or lie. I think
this is one of the tools of Shaitan in the modern age that
we're living in. And it's deception, everything that they
promise you is for this, just like feminism and everything that they
promised women is false. And so this for young girls, they're
being promised a lot of false things that, you know, when they
test that theory, like oh, the acceptance theory, you come as you
are, we love you. You're going to welcome you with open arms. As
soon as you d transition and you try to leave that community.
You're blackballed. You are hated you are called names and so these
a lot of these girls become severely depressed
suicidal, suicidal
depression like they were already exactly exactly how they're
depressed that they're being picked on by the very community
that they thought they had. And then they just, you know, they are
become suicidal and it's tough. It's really tough. May Allah
protect our children, all of them because the thing is, you know,
when you read the boy, that the male to female, trans male to
female to male D transitioners. Again, same thing, you know that I
remember one one guy saying like, I cut off my, my member.
I'll never get it back again, like, so. So now you did this
thing. It's just it's just, it's, it's really
I love how somebody said this before, I'm sure it was Mike Walsh
or somebody but like when they look back in history, and they
look at this period of time that we're living in now. And the
injustice, and like you said, the deception and whatever else is
going on behind the scenes that produce this abomination. I don't
know what they're going to say about what we were thinking, you
know, as a society like what were they thinking? How did they think
this was gonna end? May Allah protect us all and protect our
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mustn't, we have to do a bot to insha Allah does EcoLog Kulu Hey,
thank you so so much for this amazing conversation. I want you
back. I want us to do some reactions. I want us to do some
reviews. I'm sure that all the viewers do as well. How can they
find use this and to read more of your work? And also tell us more
about life school?
Oh, yes. So just like the last night it was really like I have a
lot of fun with you sister Nyima our conversations like I feel like
I don't know how much time has passed it feels like five minutes
in my head but
so just like a love hate all I really really had fun. I always do
with you. But basically so wife school inshallah I don't know when
this video is going to air, but probably after we start but wife
school is going to from the from today, when we're filming. It's
actually on Friday, October 14, which is the end of this week
inshallah. But and it's basically it's going to be online, and it's
through Elesa Institute, which is my husband, Daniel, help you
produce Institute, which I help out with. People can also find me
on Facebook, if you just look up on Khalid
I'm i right on Facebook, links in the description, guys, the links
will be definitely in the description. Insha Allah.
I'm hoping in sha Allah after you run the wife school for one, you
know, module one, one cohort, I hope that it will be available
again in sha Allah either recorded or, you know, live. Yeah, so the
idea of it is basically it's a live class. Oh, so this is kind of
a cool thing that I got this idea of talking to people through just
like the commenters and people who send me messages in my inbox,
which I have to if you're you're watching this, and you sent me a
message in my inbox that I have not replied to for months, and
once a month, I really apologize. Why I'm so sorry. It basically I
go for a while. You must be the same way sister name or I don't
know. But I go for a while without the luxury of free time to sit and
actually check my messages. And then every now and then I'll be
like, okay, oh my god, it's been like six months, I gotta, you
know. So I try. I try my best. But basically, a few of these ladies,
I noticed a pattern in my messages that I'm getting from Muslim
women, young Muslim women sometimes. And they're just
talking about all, like, just fears and concerns about wife
hood, getting married, trusting a man being a wife to a traditional
husband, what does any of it mean? Should I I'm in med school, should
I quit?
You know, all of these different things? Like, can I be a mom and I
were a working mom, all of these things. And while here they're not
alone? I these are questions I've dealt with myself. So I'm familiar
with that struggle and that feeling of these like conflicting
things? Yeah, people basically, I can see that this is something
that's affecting all of us. So what I thought was nice would be
like actually necessary is to have live conversations. This but it's
also recorded. So inshallah idea with live school is it's going to
be two hours every week, it's on Friday. And then you basically I
will talk for about 45 minutes to an hour. Try not to go on for too
long. But then after that, there's going to be an hour to an hour 15
minutes of just back and forth and people have q&a, because I think
that's what's missing, I think genuine conversations are I feel
like sisters need that and we need to kind of hash things out. Kind
of Yeah, and with personal situations as well. So you'll have
to run another cohort then next year live whenever you can fit it
in your schedule in sha Allah to Allah. But for now, since I'm
going to bid you a farewell just like hello here and for joining me
it was absolutely genius, like I said, and definitely we can get
some videos in together but isn't Allah and for those of you who
stuck with us, what were your thoughts? What were your takeaways
put them in the comments. You know, we'd love to see what your
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