Naima B. Robert – Q&A for Muslim Women Writers author Na’ima B. Robert
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Today's short session is a q and a.
So I have, sister Amna here who has
a question for me. I also have some
questions that have been sent in, you know,
by other attendees before
we started the session. So I'm gonna answer
a few questions live.
Yeah, and then that will be our morning
session and then we'll have, obviously, we've got
tons more for you,
lined up for the whole day today,
But for now, let's get some questions answered.
So, sister Amna, talk to me.
Tell us who you are and what your
question is,
Alright. Assalamu alaikum. I'm Amna. I'm a homestoing
mom from Madqa, Saudi Arabia.
And,
the question I have is that I will
I've always been wanting to write a book
for my children.
And what I, feel, like, kind of
scared about is that I've mostly been indoors,
and especially when you live as an expat
in the Middle East,
you don't really have access to a lot
of things like, you know, your own bank
account and,
tax return and all these other legal stuff.
So I really wanted to ask,
like, do you need these sort of things
to, like, publish? Like, for example, I'm gonna
self publish on Amazon or something like that.
So, if you could sort of shed light
on that question.
That's actually a really, really good question. And
I've you know, we've had this, the situation
with clients before where they're based in a
country where, for example, Amazon doesn't deliver. Right?
Or PayPal doesn't allow them to have an
account so they can't get payments and those
types of things, masha'Allah.
So it is a challenge.
You'd have to look into the laws that
whatever the rules that KDP, which is the
Amazon self publishing,
kind of wing, what they need from you.
Right?
Things like, you know,
tax I think you said tax return, etcetera.
You would be exempt if you're not a
US citizen, so you wouldn't have to worry
about that. But
does the platform,
whether it's KDP,
whether it's,
well, the other ones that's the other ones
that we use,
Yes. IngramSpark,
Lulu.
If those any of those platforms,
you'd need to check to see if somebody
who's in your territory,
can actually use the service or would you
need to use, like, a proxy address, like,
you know, give give an address that you
used in the US or give someone else's
address entirely.
So it's it's it's definitely worth looking into.
It is a challenge, that a lot of
our, writers do face if they're not based
in sort of, you know, the main western
countries or whatever.
So the main thing the question you'd have
to you know, the answer to the questions
would be on their websites. So just check
that out.
But also
it also it depends on your intention with
the book because if your intention for the
book is to publish and get it out
into the world,
then, of course, you either need a publisher
or you need to go through
a publisher working with a publisher like a
hybrid publisher, for example,
or you then do it independently. Now
doing it independently
can look different for different people. For most
of us, it's the easiest thing is to
just put it up on Amazon because when
you self publish on Amazon,
you don't have to print books as I'm
sure you know.
Amazon does the printing, and they send it
to the people when they order. So it's
on demand printing.
So that means that as a self published
author, you don't have to put in the
money to print a whole load of copies
and then have those copies in a warehouse
or in your house, and you're physically sending
them out. That's one of the great things
about publishing through KDP or Ingram Sparks. They
do that for you. However,
if your goal for the book is, you
know, more
sort of home based, is more familial, is
more about a book that your children need
or books that your kids in your local
school need, you can always look at printers
in your area or even printers in Turkey
who can do a small batch for you.
You you will obviously, you'll have to pay
more because you have to actually you you
have to buy the printed books. But if
all you want is to have sort of,
like, 10 copies or 20 copies for your
children and family members, etcetera,
then that's a way around
the whole KDP thing.
You know, most countries do have local printers.
And, you know, if you kind of shop
around a bit, you know, you can negotiate
on prices.
So
there is a way. You just have to
find which is the best way for you.
And
look at like I said, if it's just
for your family, can you get your hands
on a on a few copies? Probably, you
could do that locally.
If you do want to get it out
into the world
and the self publishing on KDP and IngramSpark
will not work for your territory,
then I would suggest
going through either a hybrid publisher
who will ask you to basically invest some
money into the publishing of your book, but
they will do it for you. So it
means that you don't have to like, you're
not gonna worry. You're not going to run
into the issues of
your tax status or, you know, the fact
that you're in a country where Amazon doesn't
deliver, etcetera, because it's published under the publisher's
imprint most of the time.
So that means that you kind of and
the thing is they will take your manuscript.
You know? They they're not going to it's
not a selective process.
So if you choose a hybrid publisher,
they perform the role of a traditional publisher.
The difference is that the author also puts
money in. Whereas with a traditional publisher, the
author doesn't pay anything. Okay?
Obviously, everybody most people want traditional publishers. But,
obviously, because of that,
traditional publishers can be much harder to get
into. There's much more competition,
and your book might not be right for
them. And if your book isn't right for
them, they won't accept it. Whereas with a
hybrid publisher, they will publish most books because,
you know, they they they're not taking on
the the burden of the traditional publisher.
So if your goal is to get the
book out out into the world
and you can't do it by self publishing
then you may want to look at
either a hybrid publisher
or
independent publishers, when we're smaller than kind of
the big dogs, right,
who do the kind of book that you
want to publish, who are currently publishing the
types of books that you that you want
to publish.
And the thing is,
in order to get a publishing deal, and
I say this to all my clients, in
order to get a publisher
to act to take your work, it has
to be the right book at the right
time with the right publisher.
So when we are submitting our work to
publishers,
we need to do our due diligence and
make sure that we've done our research.
So if your book, for example,
is on
teaching children
how to,
how to recycle, okay, or how to upcycle
or something like this,
Obviously, that's you know, you're gonna find a
lot of publishers that do that type of
thing, you know, that look at, you know,
teaching children how to be environmentally aware, how
to be environmentally responsible.
Some publishers
are more invested in that type of message
than others.
And, so you wanna find out who those
publishers are. You wanna find out who is
currently
going to Amazon and do a search, you
know, children's book recycling.
I'm I I can assure you a ton
will come up, and then you just see
well who who's publishing these books, you know,
and and get the names and then go
on their websites and check to see what
their submission guidelines are. If you're looking at
a a a book for Muslim audiences, obviously,
your search process will be shorter.
There are fewer Muslim children's publishers,
but they also have their specialisms.
And it's it's quite easy to see kind
of, would this book fit with this one,
this one, or that one,
if your goal is to be published.
So I said a lot, Amna. Did that
help at all? Was that helpful?
Yeah. It was.
Really, I'm gonna look into all these options.
So what's your goal for your book? Is
it something that you want just to be
able to use with your children, or is
it something you feel has more relevance sort
of on a broader scale? It's something you
actually want to put out into the world.
For my children, I've already, written
little books, and I publish them on my
website, like, for a read online. And,
nice.
I do print them, like, locally for them,
but it doesn't have any ISBN or,
it doesn't have any copyright. So I don't
know. Like, I'm not I'm really afraid to
give it to other people because I'm more
like, it's I don't I actually wanted you
to shed some light on these two processes,
this copyright.
And I and has totally don't understand how
that works, especially if you're out of the
US.
Right. So,
that and and the book the other book
that I'm I really wanna invest in was
things that I really wanted to go out
in a world, and I want different children
to find inspiration from them. So, yes, I
wanted to publish it, basically.
That's why I was sort of stuck because
I am as an expat and dependent expat
with on sponsorship from her husband.
So I don't have a lot of,
you know, options
for these sort of legal works.
So, yeah, that your your answer actually helped,
and look into, you know, a proxy or
a hybrid publisher.
Something like that. And what's your home country?
Where where is your home country?
I'm both from Pakistan and from Canada.
So I could look,
for both, these places.
Well, yeah, to see what, you know, what
can be done, you know, with Canada, for
example,
you know, that would be helpful.
Yeah. I don't have any, account in Canada.
I think I left that before I became
an adult, but I can definitely go back,
like,
one time and do make everything.
But that'll take some time.
So but and on the on the other
hand, I do have friends and relatives I
could definitely, definitely,
ask them for. Okay. Yeah. No. Sounds good.
Sounds good. It sounds like you have, like,
you know, a a collection of work. And
I think when when we have a collection
of work that we've done ourselves,
it it's helpful sometimes to look at, okay,
so what do I have here? What am
I working with?
What is the best or the most relevant
of all of these or the best developed
of all of these? And let me try
my chances with,
okay, 2 things. If you already have an
audience,
okay, now in your case, it is a
bit difficult because as you say, you know,
you're you're you're you're a resident and you're
in a country where you don't have you
know, it's it's it's a tough
situation in terms of I can imagine,
you know, setting up an Amazon account. It
can be tough,
if you're not in you know, there's a
few countries where it's it's difficult.
But if you have an account oh, sorry.
If you have a following online, this is
for everybody based by the way. If you
have an audience, whether you have a mailing
list or you have visitors to your your
blog or your website, if you already have
people
that are interested in the books, this is
helpful
even when you are pitching to publishers,
because publishers pay attention to sales. That's what
publishers care about at the end of the
day. A publisher wants to know that once
they have invested in your well, if they
invest in you and your book, they're going
to see a return.
So if you have already had interest in
these books, if you've had people downloading them
as ebooks, if you've had people you know,
kind of giving you feedback and testimonials, etcetera,
this is a good thing.
And you should definitely sort of gather that
material and that data. Because when you pitch
it to publishers, you want to say, this
is part of a successful collection that I
self published. And this one, I wanted to,
you know, I wanted to have a wider
reach, and I wanted to kind of get
more exposure, and I want to work with
a publisher on it.
So so so bear that in mind as
well when you're when you're looking at that.
I don't know what your situation is with
regards to, you know, kind of how
how your public has responded to the books.
But if you have had a positive response,
then this is social proof, and publishers love
to see stuff like that. So there's that
as well.
Right.
I I I could definitely collect something like
that.
Yeah. And just to to do with the
copyright question.
Right. Now when it comes to the Muslim
world, alright, I I don't have an answer
for you. Okay? Because we know that Muslims,
unfortunately,
don't seem to respect copyright.
But if you want to copyright your work,
it's actually enough legally for you to send
a copy to yourself.
Right, dated and everything, and just keep the
sealed
envelope. Keep just send it physically to yourself
or to someone
and just let them keep it sealed because
if there is ever an issue legally,
that is a proof that the work was
published by you on that date, if that
makes sense.
This is what we were told, like, so
long ago now, 15, 20 years ago, and
it still is it still is satisfactory.
So this is for everyone just need to
put that little c and that's enough?
No. Well, there's that putting a little c,
and you should do that, obviously. But in
order to kind of back that up, if
you feel that you need to back it
up,
print the work,
put it in an envelope,
and send it either to yourself or to
a relative in Canada or whoever a lawyer.
You don't need to get your lawyers involved.
Just send it and keep it sealed because
if there is ever,
some kind of copyright claim or any any
dispute of any kind that sealed
contents is is proof that the work was
published whenever, you you know, you sent it.
Do you does that make sense?
Yeah. It does. It does. So if I
send this today in 2022
February, right, I send it and I you
know, obviously, this is my work, blah blah
blah. And I send the work and I
keep it sealed. If someone else comes out
with that in 2023,
I'm going to make a claim and say,
hold on a minute. I wrote that back
in 2022, and I have proof that I
wrote it in 2022.
Here is the proof.
So this is what they used to say
to us,
copyright for your your your work, especially sort
of children's books and things like that. It's
not worth getting lawyers involved.
You know, nobody should,
you know, it's it's just not like that.
Obviously, there are pirates out there, but they
usually pirate completed works, to be fair.
You know that, don't you?
You know, people do tend to, like, you
know, ask you for the PDF of your
book and all of this kind of thing.
It's like, dude, I don't give out PDFs
of my book. What are you talking about?
But, you know, the the this this the
pirating is is like a different animal. But
when it comes to the copyright, you just
put that c in the brackets
and
if you want extra backup just send a
copy to yourself inshallah.
ISBNs,
if you're struggling to get ISBNs, you can
always contact my team. We have a whole
batch of them.
And, again, other people can get ISBNs for
you, you know, from a Canadian address or
whatever. So there's always a way around. There's
always a way around, inshallah. So I hope
that that's been helpful.
Yeah. That it is. We've been saying a
lot of questions.
Excellent. Thank you so much for that, We
like you when people just, you know, are
able to make the most of of q
and a's.
I've got Madiham here as well. So if
you have any questions, please,
just, pop them in there. If you want
to be able to talk, then let me
know inshallah, and, I will,
I'll give you permission to talk.
But I've got a question here.
Is it, can you release 3 books
as a series all at once? Is this
advisable? Thank you. Right. Oh, that's a fantastic
question. I love that.
Now I would say,
if this series is one that you have
somehow already piloted,
Okay. So, for example, book 1
is out.
It's done amazingly well, and people are like,
where's the next one? Where's the next one?
When's the next one? Then if you wanted
to release 2, 3, and 4 together, especially
like children's books,
you want to release them like as a
gift box set or something like that, then,
yeah,
if the first one has already proven to
be successful.
Okay?
If it's your first time
publishing a book,
if it's your first time, your first kind
of outing if you like,
I wouldn't advise it mainly because of the
financial
burden that you will carry.
Because getting 3 books edited at once,
getting 3 books illustrated
and designed and formatted and then getting 3
books printed at once, obviously, it's going to
be 3 times the cost. And if you
haven't already
kind of proven the concept,
then you're basically taking on a financial burden
that you you know, that may not pay
off. Right?
So that's my that that really is my
concern.
As for, you know, will people get bored
of it or anything like that? No. Because
if it's you know, I can I can
I I have so many,
series box sets that I bought for my
kids? They love it. Kids love series, you
know? I if anybody remembers the farmyard tales,
there were, like, 12 books that would come
together,
and it was not a problem.
The kids would read one after the after
the other after the other. Series of Unfortunate
Events, same thing. We bought all 13 books.
Just so so many series, children like. Matter
of fact, my daughter was just saying yesterday
that she wants another series. Right? So series
are a great idea.
We have very few series in the Muslim
market.
I think Yasmin
by Sadia Farooqi is one of the few
successful series that I've seen out there,
published by Scholastic,
but it's one of the very few. I
can't actually think of any other
series
based books in the Muslim market.
Please forgive me if I'm wrong, and please
correct me if I'm wrong, guys. If you
know of any, please do put them. That,
Jenna Jenna Jenna Jewels Jenna Jewels,
middle grade is also in a series. Masha'Allah.
There's quite a few of them in the
series, actually. But my point is this. You
can see I'm clutching at straws here, right,
because there's so few.
So if you've proven the concept,
if you released 1 and you got fantastic
sales and people are like, when's the next
one?
Yeah. Go ahead. Bismillah. Do it in a
series, you know, you know, release the 3
at once,
if it's a children's book. If it's
more for adults,
again,
proof of concept.
Have you released 1 and it's done fantastically
well?
Then do
it. In terms of releasing 3 at once,
3 adult books at once, I personally
wouldn't do it unless there's some
compelling reason why they need to buy the
3 of them because
typically, trilogies
are are released, you know, are kind of
drop fed, aren't they? You get book 1.
The whole world reads book 1 and is
waiting for book 2. Then book 2 comes,
the whole world who read book 1. And
all the people who heard the hype of
book 1 and book 2, they all rush
and buy book 2. And those who are
only coming into it at book 2, they
go back and buy book 1.
Similarly with book 3, now the whole world
has been reading book 1, book 2. Everyone's
waiting for the finale for the book 3.
All of those people who bought book 1
and 2 go buy book 3, and there's
so much hype people buy book 3, but
then they realize they need to catch up.
So they go back and they buy book
1 and book 2. That is the joy
of trilogies.
And that's why a lot of people, especially
in fantasy,
and You, etcetera,
they love to write their books in in
3 in 3 parts because that is the
effect of a series. So if you have
if you're writing for adults or you're writing
for teens, definitely write a series but I
don't think I would advise releasing all 3
at once because you miss out on the
effect that I just described now. And if
you've written 3 books, masha'Allah,
you're ahead of the game. You can maybe
relax a little bit because you know, okay,
book 1 is gonna be my book my
big book for this year, Book 2 is
gonna be my big book next year, and
book 3 is gonna be my big book
the year after that because all the time
that you leave in between them, you inshallah
accumulating
sales
and accumulating reviews and accumulating the stars and
the goodreads and the, you know, the interviews
and you're able to talk about it and
there's a sense of suspense.
You're kind of leaving people on a cliffhanger,
right, because they want to see what happens
in book 2.
If you give them the whole cake at
once,
yeah, there's not much reason for hype, really,
because at the end of the day, there
isn't like I said, you miss out on
that whole psychology of we want to know
what happens.
Which is very interesting because
you know obviously back in the day we
used to watch
series
serials
1 episode a week. And the usually the
episode would end on a cliffhanger and you
had to wait until the next week to
find out what happened. Right? And that's what
kept people
hooked to that series for a whole season.
Right? For a whole 3 months or whatever.
You wanted to see what happened next and
you HAD to wait until the next week.
Now that we release serials
in one go and sometimes several seasons at
once, I'm not sure what the psychology is
there.
To be honest, I think probably they have
to bring somebody on from Netflix to tell
us why they release everything at once is
it because people don't have the patience
probably because there's so much
competition for people s attention that they don
t they don t want to release people
from
if they re into a series they wanna
give the all to them so that they
don t have to come away and then
maybe get distracted by something else and end
up watching another thing. I don't know. But
when it comes to books, that's what I
would say. And I would absolutely love
to have, you know, either a teen series
or even, like, a novella series for adults,
which which I had as a trilogy, you
know, because, hey, who doesn't love a trilogy?
But that was a fantastic question, sis. I
hope that that answered the question fully enough.
If that, you know, if it didn't, then
please, you know, just, let me know, and,
I'll,
I'll try to do more justice to the
question. Go ahead, sis Samaniem.
You can talk inshallah. Yay.
Right.
Okay.
So, I'm not published. I have started writing.
So the question I have is,
how do I decide which of my books
do I want to to send out to
the world first?
So I I kind of, have written 1,
sort of like a about my mom. Just
a short,
yeah, short story, but more like comparing her
to to jam that she makes, right, and
the process.
And then I have an a to z
series, and then I have these are for
children.
And then I have one more self help
book as an adult, which is kind of
like starting to learn Quran at a later
age in life. So how does one decide
how do I decide
which one should come to the world first?
And if if you if one works with
a coach such as yourself, do you submit
your stories or your ideas, and then the
coach helps you
decide which one should come out first?
Thank you.
I love that question. It's a fantastic question,
and it's a nice place to be in,
mashallah you know to have 3 stories that
you're happy with that you want to put
out.
So the strict answer to your question is
that it's not really in your hands which
one comes out into the world first. Right?
Because you're talking about sort of 2 children's
books and 1 adult.
If you decide to go the traditional publishing
route,
then it will not be in your hands.
The publishers
take time I'm sure you know it takes
a while for them to get back to
you even if it's the yes and sometimes
it's a no right
And they takes time for them to give
come back to you even if they like
it and they want it. And then even
if they like and want it, there very
often is a long waiting period before the
book will actually come out. 1 of our
clients
she submitted to a Muslim publisher
I think she waited
was it 6 months to hear from them
when she did hear from them it was
a yes
but the publication date is 2024
Okay
so because she had really wanted that publisher
and she's very happy that they accepted her
book she had to accept that it's going
to be 2024.
So once you're working with publishers you don't
really have a say as to which one
will come out first. Okay. So let's so
let's let's let's be clear on the publishing
side. Then when it comes to the,
if you decide to do it yourself, if
you decide to self publish,
I would go if I'm choosing from my
books and saying which one should I invest
in first, right, when it comes to getting
it ready for publication. And when I say
invest, I mean time effort and resources because
that's what it takes right?
Which of these projects should I invest the
time and effort and resources into first?
Then I would say that it's the one
that you feel most confident of selling.
Now a lot of people do not like
to hear about selling when it comes to
writing books because many of us, we don't
see ourselves as marketers, salespeople,
you know, business savvy or whatever the word
is. Yeah. Most of us don't see ourselves
in that way, right? And some of us
don't want to see ourselves in that way,
so
But the point is if you are going
to invest time, energy, and resources,
then you need to invest it in something
that's going to give you a return on
your investment. Otherwise, you're literally just throwing money
down the drain.
So out of the books that you mentioned,
if you are my client, I would wanna
see the books and I would give you
an assessment, right, of what I think is
the most marketable book
based on the the book itself and then
you,
your interests, you know, where your passion lies,
your network. Okay? So so for example,
if you are a teacher or a a
a, a principal, right, a school principal,
and, you know, you you have this, you
have the same collection that you said. You've
got 2 children's books and you've got 1,
1 adult's book.
And
your
book, the second one,
is related to a curriculum area that is
in great demand in schools in your in
your area,
then I would say that might be a
good choice for you because you've got the
network you know you know the people who
need this book you know the people you
know you know where they get their books
from you know what their budgets are you
know that you can talk to them about
it, pick the book that you feel you
can talk to people about the most readily.
Okay? So that's what that's the kind of
process that we would have we'd be discussing.
And, you know, once you've got one book
out, you know, masha'Allah,
we we see this a lot. Once people
have one book out, it usually is not
very long after that they have another one
either in the works
or kind of coming out in 6 months
time etcetera
so definitely have the books assessed, have the
manuscript assessed and then you know make a
decision based on
already the quality of the idea
and then your ability to to to talk
about the idea and your ability to actually,
you know, put it out there into the
marketplace.
Does that answer your question, Miriam?
Yes. It does. Thank you.
Kind of a follow-up question I'd like to
ask,
based on that is,
does it work to to be an author
of 2 different genres?
Yeah. It's fine. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's fine.
It's fine. You've it's it's very common. I'm
I'm I'm an author in 3 different genres
and it yeah. It works fine as long
as you you know, like I said, you
just want to be in integrity, right? So
your children's books need to come from a
place of integrity
your adults books need to come from a
place of integrity and obviously shouldn't
you know what's the word contradict each other.
But as long as you're in integrity,
then you shouldn't have a problem. And it's
great fun to play with genres as well.
I like it when authors feel
confident enough to to to kind of play
in different
playgrounds, if you like. You know? Sometimes you're
playing in the kiddies playground, you know, we're
doing the the the telling stories and then
we have writers who dabble in creative non
fiction for children and then one of those
authors will come up with an idea for
a middle grade novel and say I want
to try my hand at novel writing go
ahead sadia faruki
is a great example of that
so is Zainab Meehan actually who are 2
very successful muslim authors mashallah
Saadia started in children's books, picture books.
Then she went into,
sort of early readers,
and her series is the one I mentioned
before, the Yasmeen series.
And she while she's still doing the Yasmeen
series, she has now published several middle grade,
books which are more demanding novels, right?
And I just saw on Instagram that she's
had another one accepted by a big publisher
masha'Allah
so she's she's doing what she's enjoying doing
you know s k Ali
You novelist,
released a picture book with Ibtihaj Muhammad a
few years ago.
Zainab Meehan started in pure picture books and
then wrote for the Muslims,
which was her first sort of middle grade
book. And now that's a series, masha'Allah. So
you can definitely do that. And if any
one of them decided to try their hand
at writing for adults,
they could do that.
Because once you're a writer, you're a writer.
As long as you have something to say,
you say it to whoever you need to
say it to inshallah.
Thank you, Jessica LaHirend, and I'm going to
be putting that up play,
play in different playgrounds. I'm going to make
something and put that up. Thank you very
much.
I love that.
Please do just get in touch if you
need any help. Maryam and I have worked
together in the past.
So always a pleasure to see previous clients
coming back. Alhamdulillah.
So guys, listen. Inshallah, that was helpful to
you.
We are going to be having weekly q
and a's in the Muslim writers group. We're
gonna tell you more about that later on
in in in our final session.
But coach Hend and I, we have a
must you know, an academy called the Muslim
Writers Academy.
And up until this point, it has been
a paid service.
We have decided for 2022
to open the the doors,
for free to our community.
And inside there are workshops there are trainings
there's
tons of resources
and most importantly and most preciously
there is a weekly q and a where
coach Hend and I mainly coach Hend, but
I also jump in there as well We
answer questions,
these types of questions. So if you enjoyed
this session,
then please do consider
joining up for free to the Musama Writers
Academy, joining the Musama Writers Group,
because insha'Allah we will be instituting our weekly
q and a's that will be very much
like this And they've been a game changer
for for many, many, many authors,
And, you know, you get to pick the
brains of, of, you know, of of 2
people who've been in this game for a
very long time and, for free. So what's
not to like about that? I hope to
see you guys in the Muslim Writers Academy.
The links to everything will be below this
video insha'Allah once it's published, not right now.
But for now,
and thank you so much, ladies, for coming
on live with me. Hopefully, you will all
join the Muslim Writers Academy, and we will
get to do this on a more or
less weekly basis, Insha'Allah,
getting those questions answered and getting you moving
towards your goal. Thank Thank you so much
and we'll see you in the next session
inshallah.
Assalamu alaykum.