Naima B. Robert – Candid Conversations on Muslim Marriage Submission, Marriage Profiles and Delusions

Naima B. Robert
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The speakers stress the importance of language in love language and the need for a framework for understanding language. They emphasize the importance of finding a healthy relationship and avoiding damaging the relationship. They stress the responsibility of power control and finding a partner for a woman with children. They emphasize the importance of acceptance as a condition to prevent negative behavior and finding a partner in relationships. They also mention a vetting process and a post about finding a partner and finding a job.
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Mala

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Mala Salam Alaikum everyone welcome welcome welcome it's a

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lovely Thursday evening Masha Allah over here where I am I hope

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that you guys are all well slough Malika Welcome back to the

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platform Welcome back to the channel. It says this The name of

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the Robert here back at it again with another live stream

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hamdulillah we'd had a great time yesterday Masha Allah, looking

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forward to a no a great time today. But even in lab, we've got

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a great show planned for you guys in sha Allah, please hit the like

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button on your way in. And I want to see those comments, guys for

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the nurseries in the green room. Okay, he's standing by but I

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cannot let him in until I see some activity in the chat. So we're

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waiting for those salons. We're waiting for the locations dropped

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in the chat. And then I will be able to allow my co host in and

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we'll be able to get started with the show. Make sure you hit the

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like button on the way in Thank you mister man. We appreciate you

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Zack lokalen Salam okay, we're getting activated. This is good of

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hamdulillah so we can do this now. Insha Allah Islam Alikum walaikum

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salam how are you? Al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen Brother,

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how were you? hamdulillah hamdulillah no complaints Life is

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good. Walk and Talk and

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I'm Daniella always a good thing Mashallah. Um, okay, so before we

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get started, we need to do we need to do a check. Did you manage to

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fulfill the requests of the viewers who asked for green for

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today's theme?

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You know, so the interesting thing would you say do a check. I'm

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checking my mic and I'm thinking you know, okay, I think I hit that

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I think I hit it but in the comments, they can let us know if

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I hit the green quota for today inshallah I hope that I did. And

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if not, then you know, we can come back next week and check out law

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law permits and make sure we get the color right then

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the isn't in love evening law right guys? So we have a packed

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show for you today mashallah super, super excited about what

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we've got planned. Baraka, Luffy wherever you're listening,

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wherever you're tuning in from, may Allah bless you if you're

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going somewhere may He bless your destination if you're coming from

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somewhere May Allah bless where you're where you're coming from.

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And today we have

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a show in several segments.

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So please please first off, just forgive me if we have any kind of

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tech issues whatsoever, okay, because we're trying to level up

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in terms of the production quality but that means there's a lot of

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moving parts okay? So just bear with me if we have any, you know

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any nonsense along the way we've got chef Nisa from Egypt with

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custom Mr. manna from Birmingham in the UK, Masha, Allah, keep

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dropping those locations, guys, and give your Salam as you come

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into the chat in sha Allah. Right. So for the nicer could you just

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give us a little bit of a recap for those who were not on the live

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yesterday? How do you feel that the conversation went yesterday?

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I think it went well, I think I think we covered I think you and

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the various guests you had on did an excellent point in terms of

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addressing the

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variety of needs, that are there, right, that then produce the

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multitude of options that we have in terms of what marriage looks

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like. And I think that's important because I think we need to make

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sure that we aren't creating stigmatism around the choices, the

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halau choices that adults are making,

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and that they think is best for their situation. Right. So I think

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it was a great live yesterday, I think it contributed to

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further in that that perspective, which is a perspective that I

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as you know, I firmly believe we have to allow adults to make adult

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decisions. And it may not look like what we think is best for

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ourselves, or what we think the tradition is.

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Yeah, yeah. 100. Guys.

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It was yeah, it was a great stream from the levels. It was so nice to

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have so many different people on with different perspectives, but

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it was, it was it was a thoughtful dialogue. And I always appreciate

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the thoughtful dialogue. Even though you know, people may have

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not agreed with each other on all points, you know, disagreements

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were expressed respectfully. People came on they shared really

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honestly Masha Allah. So guys, if you did not catch the live stream

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from yesterday, it was a live show, please just hop on over

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there after this and Sharla and just catch up on it because he

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really had some some amazing gems in there, my shoulder anyway,

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we've got work to do. So guys, on Candid Conversations, we are here

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to have conversations, to teach, to discuss, to share on mastering

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the human side of Muslim marriage. So,

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you know, we discuss areas around emotional intelligence around

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communication around expectations, the psychology of things, the

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emotional side of things, the mental side of things and the

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physical side of things, to enable us to Insha Allah, master this

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area, so that we can have the subpoena that we're all looking

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for in this area of our lives in sha Allah.

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But before we can jump into today's show, there is a new video

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clip that I want to share with you guys. And it is a it's a quote

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from a stepwells TED talk, you guys have heard me talking about

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SFLA. Before, I've mentioned her in several different talks. And I

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just want to share this as a an introduction to the idea that

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we've expressed many times on this channel, which is that our

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expectations of marriage have changed. And it's not just in the

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Muslim community that this has happened, it is actually a

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worldwide thing. It is part of the culture that we live in, right. So

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with your permission, guys, I'd like to share this video with you.

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Of course, always drop in the comments, your thoughts, we love

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to see the chat activated. We love to see you guys reflecting on what

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we're talking about. And one of the things that I love about this

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channel, and you guys is that the chat is actually about the the

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topic, right? The chat is actually about what's happening on the

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screen. And I love that because it shows me that you guys are

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engaged, that you're listening, that you're thinking and that

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you're actively, you know, basically you're part of the

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conversation and I absolutely love that. So let me try and tee this

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up and sha Allah, you know how we do right? So

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you got this

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right. Okay, some of you may be familiar with it already. Some of

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you may not. But let's see if we can capture the right part.

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For security, for predictability, for safety, for dependability, for

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reliability, for permanence, all these anchoring

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nodding experiences of our lives that we call home. But we also

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have an equally strong need. Men and women are adventurer, novelty,

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or mystery, for risk for danger for the unknown for the unexpected

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surprise, you get to just for journey for travel. So reconciling

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our need for security and our need for adventure into one

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relationship, or what we today like to call a passionate marriage

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used to be a contradiction in terms. Marriage was an economic

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institution, in which you were given the Partnership for life in

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terms of children and social status and succession and

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companionship. But now, we want our partner to still give us all

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these things. But in addition, I want you to be my best friend and

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my trusted confidant and my passionate lover to boot and we

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live twice as long.

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So we come to one person and we basically are asking them to give

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us what once an entire village is to provide give me belonging give

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me identity give me continuity, but give me transcendence and

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mystery and all all in one. Give me comfort give me an edge give me

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novelty give me familiarity, give me predictability. Give me

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surprise. And we think it's a given and toys and luxury are

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going to save us with that.

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So I just wanted to share that. Thank you. Merci beaucoup. Merci

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beaucoup.

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I wanted to share that because I've found it to be a really

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interesting

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space that we find ourselves in culturally, which is, and I don't

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know whether that clip actually expresses it as well as I wanted

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it to. But

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it's this idea that our concept of what is normal in a marriage has

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shifted dramatically, in a way that is unprecedented in human

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history. So as she mentioned, throughout human history, marriage

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was an institution, it was based on family ties, on duty, on

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responsibility on legacy, your husband was your husband, your

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wife was your wife, there were certain roles that they play, and

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certain roles you did not expect them to play. A couple of

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generations ago, you know, husbands and wives did not see did

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not see each other as best friends. They didn't expect to be

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best friends, they may not have expected to have that passionate,

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romantic relationship that of course, today we see as normal and

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healthy, and the right of every human right. But brother, nothing.

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I mean, when you saw this earlier, I don't think you were very

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impressed by what Esther had to say. So what are your thoughts on

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what she said and sort of this whole shift that we've gone

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through? So yeah, I think I think she's she's right. But I just

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think it was worth it. You know, I've heard you articulate this,

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and others articulate it quite well, and a manner that I think is

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very receptive, and people get and listening to it again.

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Again, it just it highlights, I think, points that you know,

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you've made and others have made. But what does stand out more is in

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listening, you know, to your perspective on it is something

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that I've seen with my client base as well, is that is that demand,

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right? So it's one thing to want and desire something and prefer, I

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wish that my husband could be my best friend. It's another thing to

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demand it. Right. And when it gets rigid, and it becomes that demand,

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I think that's when you get into that realm of potentially self

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sabotaging the relationship, and also thinking I can get better.

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Right? Well, this is the thing is that the whole idea of the the

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correct or the perfect relationship? Right? Not correct.

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The perfect relationship. Yeah, the idea of this idea, right, this

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ideal relationship that now in our heads is so real, because we've

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been feeding the idea of the ideal since we were so high, right? So

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we have a very developed idea of what that ideal looks like. And

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unfortunately, as I've said before, that ideal is not rooted

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in reality at all. It's rooted literally in fantasy. It's rooted

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in imagination, in poetry and song in play in film, right? It's

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literally the product of people's imaginations. And

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not just and here we are holding it as a standard, as if it

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actually exists. This is a real thing. This is a real thing. It's,

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it's how it should be. And if things were right, if this was my

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person, that's how they would be. It's just Yeah, it's it's so so

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two points, and I think it also connects to the discussion from

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yesterday. So two points, one, I just think from a coaching

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perspective

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I would encourage people to look at the language. And it's it may

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seem like a moot point, but it's really important. So your wants

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your desires, your preferences, there's nothing wrong with this.

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Nothing wrong. The problem is when you escalate those to the demands,

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right? And that's the clear distinction that you want to make.

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are you demanding that your spouse be a certain way, or something

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that you prefer you want, right? It's a desire, this is nothing

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wrong with it, and you can aspire to get that in your marriage. But

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the problem again, comes when you escalate it to a demand when you

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get rigid about it. And that's what I think people should look at

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when themselves. So when your spouse is not giving you what you

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want, then look at how you feel and what you do. If it's

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unproductive, unhelpful to yourself and the relationship,

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then you probably have a demand that you're just worrying as a

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preference. So I wish my husband would do A, B and C, I wish my

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husband could be my best friend.

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But if you are responding and a if the emotion that comes up is

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anger, and your knowing that, and yeah, it's really not a one or a

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wish, or desire, it's a demand that he must be this way, he must

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be my best friend. Right. And so that's an important thing. So the

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language is important. And I think again, I think this comes back to

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the conversation yesterday that you had, I think we've had a

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number of times, it's you have to allow dogs to want what they want.

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Right, as long as it's in the realm of what's permissible, if

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they want what they want, allow them to construct a deal that

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works for them, especially when we're talking about mature adults,

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people that have been through a marriage once or twice, because

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what I may believe, or someone else may believe is the ideal is

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not maybe what they want or desire.

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And that I think needs to be respected. Because then I think I

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would, in a general sense, sense, our community can be very rigid

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with the lives of other Muslims. Right? They have to articulate

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their Islam and practice this, and I'm in practice marriage in a way

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that fits into their box. Right? And if not, then it's problematic.

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Hence, hence, the system in

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pologize, I'll allow you to pronounce her name. I just call

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her you know, shorty from Belgium.

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Shorty from Belgium was saying that one of the things is to

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travel. So what happens when you have a sister that's in her late

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30s, early 40s been through two marriages?

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comfortable in her career, she has a kid kids are older. Maybe that's

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something that she's looking for. Maybe she didn't have that in her

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first two marriages. Maybe she's at a point in her life where

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that's something that's important for her to have companionship, and

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to be able to travel.

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Maybe the arrangement, the marriage the deal she constructs

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with someone has that in it.

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IE, maybe it's polygamous marriage.

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And maybe one of the roles that she plays is yes, they see each

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other during the week. But she's she's someone that travels with

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him when he goes on.

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Yeah,

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I think yeah, this came up in another live stream. I feel like

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we've had this conversation. Okay, so

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guys, feel free to drop your comments in the chat inshallah.

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Because we had some busy playing games 123 My dad always says

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sometimes it's better to love the person you marry, than marry the

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person you love. That's a tough one. Mashallah. But definitely,

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sometimes it's better to love the person.

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You definitely want to love the person you marry, you definitely

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want to make sure that you do that.

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Yeah, so, Alright, so we've got a whole like,

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a whole program today, right? So we're gonna jump in inshallah with

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the today's show. And typically, when we have the show, guys, we

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want to give you guys tangible benefit, real teaching. So we

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wanted to have a conversation around the concept of being

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agreeable, right? You know that for the past, however long the

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issue of submission and women being submissive specifically, has

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been coming up again and again, right. And we know I know full

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well, that that word can be a true

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Go for some sisters, I get it. Okay, I've been there. I was

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there, right? Certainly, it was not a word that I ever used. Even

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if I behaved in that way, it wasn't a word that I used because

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I did not feel comfortable with it at all. So guys, if you feel some

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kind of way with people talking about submission, or being

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submissive, just put submissive in the chat, okay? Just to you know,

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just allow yourself to get through the discomfort, okay, push through

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out of your comfort zone into your stretch, so and just put

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submissive in the chat. It's okay. This is a no judgment zone. So,

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the question for you, why was it uncomfortable for you? Oh, this is

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like one of the biggest sort of feminist buzzwords, you know, that

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kind of comes in, around maybe from the back door. So the idea of

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submitting to a man,

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if you have any feminist programming whatsoever, you're

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going to get triggered? Because why should you submit to me?

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Like, why? You know, that's let's see, I mean, like, why should I am

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a sentient being, I, you know, a sane adult, I have my own mind

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having opinions, I have my own value, why would I submit to a

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man, right? He's just a man like me. He's a human being. So there's

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all of that that comes up. And you know, and it's, it's something

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that

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you don't find people using that language. Even people have

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knowledge, especially in the West, because they know that, because

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they know that it is a trigger for sisters. Right. submit to your

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husband, you're not going to find people on the mimbar saying

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sisters submit to your husband. I don't think so. I could be wrong.

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No. And that's part of the reason why we have this crisis we have

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now is they pandered to sisters.

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Yeah, exactly. So so this. So this that word, guys, if this, that

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anyone is feeling some kind of way, they tell me, it's alright.

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Just put submissive in the chat. It's fine. All right, we're gonna

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push through it. Because I, you know, language is important. But

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the meaning of the words is more important, right. So sometimes

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what we need to do, if we understand that submitting to our

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husbands, is something that Allah subhanaw taala has, has asked of

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us, right? And we have an issue with that. It's on us to work

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through it. So if you want to submit if you want to substitute

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the word submit, or being submissive with agreeable for

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example,

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that could be a workaround.

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Rather, NASA, do you accept that as a workaround? I do. I do. I do,

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as I do is as long as

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as long as this flexibility. Right, in what that and what that

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looks like. And there's understanding and what that looks

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like, for both people. Right? I think, What do you mean? So I just

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think that I think when it comes to submitting, there needs to be

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clarity about what that looks like, in a marriage. Right? Both

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people need to have a conversation. So I'm not too

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caught up on what the wording is, although I prefer the wording of

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submitting that way. It does have some level of clarity to it. But I

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think there needs to be that conversation beforehand. And what

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I find in my work is,

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oddly enough, people don't like discussing this element. Right?

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Even brothers, I don't like to touch this, this part of the

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conversation. And I think it's critical. It's critical to

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discuss, right? You just want to just take a temperature check just

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for for now for the chat guys.

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For the brothers, do you yourself? Or do you know of in your

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friendship groups, or in your masjid or in your organization? Do

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you? Have you seen evidence of what Brother Nasir is saying that

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brothers do not want to have that conversation? Or that that's like

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a touchy subject? What do you guys say put it in the chat and sisters

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as well. If you know that amongst your friends amongst your family,

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you know, in your circle, that idea of submitting is is like a

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dirty word. It's like it's a touchy subject, just let us know

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in the chat. Sorry about the carry on. So just 111 Subtle pushback to

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the comment that's up right from

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the previous one. If you're the man, you don't need to ask for

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submission.

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You will get it without asking. I know that's a common phrase that's

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out there. A common mantra.

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In theory, I get it. But I think the other thing is, not every

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woman is raised to be submissive.

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And not every woman.

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It's early. I'm trying not to be spicy. Did you say not every woman

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is raised to be submissive. Okay, I'll leave that there.

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And so

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So

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she may have the inclination to be agreeable to be submissive but

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does not know how to be submissive and agreeable in a manner that

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you're looking for. Again, this is why I think that conversation

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needs that to happen before. And so it again, it may not be that

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she's trying to be confrontational, it may not mean

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that she's not trying to be submissive. It's just that she was

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not raised

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in a manner that submission looks the way you want it to look.

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Which could, yeah, and which could be this subjectivity of people's

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cultures and their own family cultures as well, right. So for

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example, if you grew up in an environment where your father's

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word was law, and he said it, and everybody just listened without

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any conversation, maybe that's your idea of what submission looks

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like. Maybe she grew up in a family where there was a lot of

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discussion, there was a lot of kind of back and forth, not in a

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bad way. But just they had a much more free environment to express

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opinions. And then the Father's word was the last word. But you

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know, so and then people fell in line after that. So in that

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situation, it's probably a good idea to talk about what that would

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look like and what you leading. And her following actually looks

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like, right? But there's a there's an interesting

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quote here. Where is it? What do you think of this? 100% too many

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brothers play the nice guy route and don't express their true

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opinions.

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They reckon.

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So

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route, is that like the UK version of route? It is the correct

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version of route? Yes. Okay. Okay. Just Just curious. Just curious.

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So, guys, listen, what does that what does that get? We've got more

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viewers from the UK on this channel. You guys roast him in the

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comments, feel 100%? Free. Okay, you know, these American

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imperialists already? Go ahead? So no, I think this, I think this

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this comment is spot on. And I think so I think, for sisters,

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for sisters, and But see, this is one of the reasons why I really

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encourage conversation and dialogue and kind of difficult

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questions before marriage, because you get to get a temperature of

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how the brother or how the sister handles discomfort,

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like body language tone, right. I think that's so important. And so

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I think there's something to be said, you know, if a brother is

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trying to be the nice guy, and not having those difficult

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conversations, and I think there's something to be said, If a brother

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does have this conversation with his sister vote submission, and

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she responds in an aggressive or harsh, Curt manner.

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I think definitely people want to seal the deal, and don't want to

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mess things up. I mean,

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that's one of the that's one of the problematic symptoms of

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desperation, of course. Right. Like, the, there shouldn't be a

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hesitancy to seal the deal.

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Right.

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Right. You know, we don't act out of desperation.

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Especially as men, I don't I don't think that that's

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a space to move from. But there was another comment that was up

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here that I wanted to mention that I think

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this one

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I think it was another one from K 12.

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If the father hasn't done the job in the early stages, do you see

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that one? Yeah. If the father hasn't done the job in the early

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stages, then it's a difficult thing for a husband to take over?

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Why fathers are so important. One called missing

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and all can fail. Yeah, I think that's really important. I think

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that's one of the things brothers should definitely look for. What

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is the relationship like between her and a father?

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And what role does he play does he pay? If the father plays a very

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passive role, and the mother is domineering, and the relationship

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then you have some heavy lifting to do? Yeah.

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Unless she has a, unless she probably has older siblings, and

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she's learned from them. The the, the problems that comes with a

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husband that's not leading.

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I've seen that so often where the mother is the domineering figure

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and writing. Yeah, for sure. And

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many of you are familiar with The Five Love Languages book, which I

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put up on a post to say, Should we read it? And it didn't get as many

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votes as some of the other books and actually, somebody commented

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and said Enough with the five languages already The Five Love

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Languages. But he wrote another book called things I wish I knew

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before we married, which is a very, very

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Good, Mashallah. And one of the things he mentioned, is looking at

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the parents looking at the dynamic between the mother and the father,

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so you can get a picture of what your wife or your husband is

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likely to turn out as. So just exactly. He gave that example,

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right? The henpecked husband. That's the girl's model, right?

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She has a model of a mother who nags and a father who basically

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acquiesces and his henpecked, right. Similarly, if he grew up

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with that example, then that's, that's his blueprint, basically.

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Right? So some of the things you may want to look at guys, you

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know, when you're kind of in the stages of still looking for

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someone is asking those questions about, and potentially even

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observing the relationship between the mother and the father as much

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as you can, because likely your spouse to be the man or the woman

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is, is has that blueprint and is, is going to repeat those patterns

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basically, right? Unless, of course, they have become self

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aware. And they've done some work. And they themselves say, my

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parents are like this, but from my household, this is what I want.

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And then that can happen. I don't want brothers to think that that

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can happen, it can happen, because oftentimes, what I've seen with

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sisters I've worked with, is there's a contentious relationship

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with the mother. And that has been the opening that that then leads

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them to reflect on the role that Mother has played in their life,

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but particularly in the family dynamic, right? And what's been

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problematic about that, ie being controlling, being aggressive,

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right? In tone and diction as well. So

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it's not an automatic, you know,

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cancel, if she has a father that's very passive. And Mother's

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domineering, it's just what does that look like? And Is she aware

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of that? Yeah, definitely. It's a conversation that needs to be had.

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And I think, you know, like all things, guys, every one of us

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speaks from our own experience, right. So if somebody has, you

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know, has had an experience where they married, they submitted to a

00:32:18 --> 00:32:21

husband, who was not, he didn't have her best interests at heart,

00:32:21 --> 00:32:24

at that point, put it that way. Okay. He didn't have her best

00:32:24 --> 00:32:27

interests at heart, or the relationships, best interests at

00:32:27 --> 00:32:32

heart. And somehow he abused his authority. Obviously, that sister

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is not going to be able to speak about submission in a way that is,

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you know, glowing, and yes, everyone should do it, because she

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did it. And it didn't work out. Right. And this isn't with

00:32:42 --> 00:32:45

everyone. If you married a divorcee, for example, and you

00:32:45 --> 00:32:49

became a stepfather. And it was an amazing experience. And even

00:32:49 --> 00:32:53

though whatever, whatever, you made a go of it, and it worked.

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When other people come and ask you about marrying and divorcees,

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you're like, hey, you know what, there's so much reward in it.

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There's one car, there's this, there's that there's that, you

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know, just make sure you find that, you know, you're going to be

00:33:03 --> 00:33:07

able to speak about that situation in a way that someone who did the

00:33:07 --> 00:33:10

same thing, married or divorced, it was a stepfather who was

00:33:10 --> 00:33:14

completely ruined by the experience, he's gonna have

00:33:14 --> 00:33:18

something completely different to say. Right? So we need to bear

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that in mind as well. The dean itself, the ideal scenario, is, is

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is

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is objective, right? It's an objective truth. So this is this

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is the ideal scenario. Like we said yesterday, there's the ideal

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scenario. So I guess Okay, so this is this is, I think this is

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important, right? Because it seems to me, that sisters from certain

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backgrounds, or certain family backgrounds, do have this trauma,

00:33:46 --> 00:33:52

right, of having observed an unhealthy relationship. And let's,

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let's just limit it to the ones who saw a relationship where their

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father had all this power and authority and their mother was

00:34:00 --> 00:34:02

completely subjugated. Right.

00:34:03 --> 00:34:07

How, how do we work through that? Because it's all very well, guys,

00:34:07 --> 00:34:10

everyone in the chat and everybody watching, it's all very well, us

00:34:10 --> 00:34:13

saying yes, but this is how it should be. And this is how

00:34:13 --> 00:34:15

husband's meant to be is how the woman's meant to be blah, blah.

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But if you yourself have lived a different reality, how can you

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unlearn that in order to be able to go into your own situation

00:34:25 --> 00:34:28

without that language? As a question for you?

00:34:29 --> 00:34:34

Yeah, you know what I'm gonna say that's why I always emphasize

00:34:34 --> 00:34:39

learning a modality. You have to learn a model to understand your

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thinking and regulate your emotions to thinking feeling

00:34:43 --> 00:34:47

connection, right? Because when you're in that type, when you grow

00:34:47 --> 00:34:52

up in that type of situation, you will more than likely develop

00:34:52 --> 00:34:56

intense, unhealthy negative emotions. Right? So for example,

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you'll more than likely develop anxiety or

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or anger, right, these types of issues. And so when you experience

00:35:05 --> 00:35:10

that, you then those emotions are red flags for you to think about

00:35:10 --> 00:35:14

your thinking. And so when you think about your thinking, and you

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catch with the with the understanding of a model, it will

00:35:18 --> 00:35:21

teach you how to catch those unhelpful thoughts that produced

00:35:21 --> 00:35:27

the anxiety. Right, that produced the anger. Right? So it's

00:35:27 --> 00:35:31

important to learn a model so that that way you can reprogram

00:35:31 --> 00:35:35

yourself from what you've learned throughout your childhood and

00:35:35 --> 00:35:39

teenage years and early adult years. So you have to you have to

00:35:39 --> 00:35:42

learn a model. That's my perspective. Yeah, definitely.

00:35:42 --> 00:35:46

Definitely. Want to just go into this quickly here, because some

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would just go back to that last, the last one I can't recover.

00:35:52 --> 00:35:56

Yeah, it was I can't recover from I can't return

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I've had from divorce, and have too many trust issues. Yeah, so I

00:36:04 --> 00:36:07

mean, in this type of situation, since I don't, I don't know your

00:36:07 --> 00:36:11

particular situation. But I would definitely again, I would learn a

00:36:11 --> 00:36:14

modality that will help you with that thinking, feeling connection,

00:36:15 --> 00:36:18

because trauma is a lot about the meanings we develop about

00:36:18 --> 00:36:23

experiences that are quote, unquote, traumatic, and those

00:36:23 --> 00:36:27

meanings of what we carry into the next situation, or the next

00:36:27 --> 00:36:33

moment, those meanings may not be constructive to our goals, values

00:36:33 --> 00:36:38

and purpose. So then we have to learn a modality to be able to

00:36:38 --> 00:36:42

understand and unpack those meanings, and then create those

00:36:42 --> 00:36:46

healthy alternative meanings about what did happen, which may be

00:36:46 --> 00:36:52

wrong. Granted, but the meaning that you developed from what

00:36:52 --> 00:36:55

happened, which was not correct, which was unhealthy, which was

00:36:55 --> 00:36:56

wrong, unfortunate,

00:36:58 --> 00:37:03

doesn't need to be carried with you. Right? That's, that's not in

00:37:03 --> 00:37:06

this please, for you, and anyone watching, don't take this the

00:37:06 --> 00:37:09

wrong way. That's why you know, it's

00:37:10 --> 00:37:12

the past is the past.

00:37:13 --> 00:37:19

Right? It literally is the past. But what's present is the meanings

00:37:19 --> 00:37:23

we develop from the past. That's what we take with ourselves,

00:37:23 --> 00:37:28

moving from the past incident, whatever those past incidents

00:37:28 --> 00:37:32

were, they're gone. But what you carry with yourself every day, the

00:37:32 --> 00:37:36

luggage you carry you with yourself every day, is the

00:37:36 --> 00:37:41

meanings you develop. And those meanings are what can be self

00:37:41 --> 00:37:44

sabotaging to new and self sabotaging to future

00:37:44 --> 00:37:45

relationships.

00:37:48 --> 00:37:50

Insha Allah says, Yeah, I mean, definitely.

00:37:52 --> 00:37:58

Language is so important. So even to allow yourself to say I can't

00:37:58 --> 00:38:02

recover what you're doing, you're making a rule, right? You're

00:38:02 --> 00:38:07

telling yourself, I cannot recover from this trauma, right. And

00:38:07 --> 00:38:10

that's not helpful. Because if you're telling yourself you can't

00:38:10 --> 00:38:14

recover, the likelihood is that you will not. But if you decide

00:38:14 --> 00:38:18

that you will recover in Sharla, you are going to become out of

00:38:18 --> 00:38:23

this the other end stronger, okay, stronger, more grounded, full of

00:38:23 --> 00:38:27

Eman, whatever the case may be. And then you take steps towards

00:38:27 --> 00:38:30

that Insha Allah, Allah will bless you with that healing. But if you

00:38:30 --> 00:38:35

stay in this in this space of, I can't recover from the trauma, I

00:38:35 --> 00:38:39

have too many trust issues. And that's the story you're telling

00:38:39 --> 00:38:43

yourself. That's where you're going to stay. And I wouldn't want

00:38:43 --> 00:38:46

that for you. And I wouldn't want that for anybody else. Because to

00:38:46 --> 00:38:52

stay in the suffering is a choice. We choose to sit in the suffering,

00:38:52 --> 00:38:54

we don't choose the suffering or loss one or the other tests us

00:38:54 --> 00:38:59

with that. But to sit in it, and to stay in it. That is a choice.

00:38:59 --> 00:39:04

But we only recognize that it's a choice when we you know, maybe

00:39:04 --> 00:39:07

hear something for the first time we are exposed to something new.

00:39:07 --> 00:39:10

And you realize I'm choosing this because most of the time we think

00:39:10 --> 00:39:13

that of course, of course, this is the space that I'm in because this

00:39:13 --> 00:39:16

is what happened against that thinking, feeling connection that

00:39:16 --> 00:39:19

we've spoken about, right? So may Allah give you

00:39:20 --> 00:39:26

the total Schiefer and allows you to move past this. And one of the

00:39:26 --> 00:39:30

thing was that the sitting in it, a part of that is sitting in the

00:39:30 --> 00:39:35

narrative that you create. Right? And one of the ways to unworked

00:39:35 --> 00:39:40

that is to unworked the narrative that you create it, right to alter

00:39:40 --> 00:39:43

that narrative, because the narrative is what you're going to

00:39:43 --> 00:39:45

sit in for 24 hours of the day.

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As long as you're, you know, awake and can can think those thoughts,

00:39:54 --> 00:39:58

those floods of beliefs and thoughts that come. That's what

00:39:58 --> 00:39:59

you're going to be sitting in

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So that's the narrative. Those are the meanings, you have to put in

00:40:04 --> 00:40:08

the work to reconstruct to a healthy alternative narrative.

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And what that says the other thing is, and I hope you get this from

00:40:17 --> 00:40:21

tonight's live. And if not, there's other lives that we've

00:40:21 --> 00:40:21

discussed.

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Please understand that your next marriage and shallow that you are

00:40:27 --> 00:40:32

married again, does not have to fit into anyone else's construct

00:40:32 --> 00:40:35

of what a marriage has to look like, as long as it meets the

00:40:35 --> 00:40:40

criteria for are deemed to be permissible. That's it. So just

00:40:40 --> 00:40:44

keep that in mind moving forward. Whatever deal you construct for

00:40:44 --> 00:40:48

yourself, does not have to fit what someone else may say for you.

00:40:48 --> 00:40:51

And again, this, this comes up because what we talked about

00:40:51 --> 00:40:55

before what I mentioned before, you sisters with children,

00:40:56 --> 00:40:57

especially daughters,

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I'm of the opinion, be open to

00:41:04 --> 00:41:08

not living with the person for the first six months to a year to make

00:41:08 --> 00:41:12

sure this person is who he said he is, before you introduce that

00:41:12 --> 00:41:13

person to

00:41:16 --> 00:41:18

a living arrangement where you guys are together with your

00:41:18 --> 00:41:22

children. Just something to consider. It's not a must. But

00:41:22 --> 00:41:24

something to think about. I want to take the temperature check on

00:41:24 --> 00:41:27

that, actually, because I think we mentioned that last week, didn't

00:41:27 --> 00:41:29

we? And I want to see from the viewers, those of you who are

00:41:29 --> 00:41:33

alive and those of you watching on the replay. What are your thoughts

00:41:33 --> 00:41:37

on that? Do you I mean, firstly, have you done that? Have you done

00:41:37 --> 00:41:41

Nikka and then spent a period of time sort of Halal dating if you

00:41:41 --> 00:41:44

like, so you're halal for each other, but you don't move in

00:41:44 --> 00:41:48

together? Would you ever consider an arrangement like that? Do you

00:41:48 --> 00:41:50

think that there's any benefit benefit in it? Do you think

00:41:50 --> 00:41:53

there's harms in it? Let us know your thoughts on that. Inshallah,

00:41:53 --> 00:41:57

I just want to share this this piece of of kind advice here from

00:41:57 --> 00:42:00

sister and Eva, who says I understand that this can be

00:42:00 --> 00:42:04

remedied by strengthening one's relationship with Allah, trusting

00:42:04 --> 00:42:07

him can get you through anything. And she says I will try to leave

00:42:07 --> 00:42:10

myself open to marriage again. May Allah make it easy. I would

00:42:10 --> 00:42:13

definitely want to go to this question. I'm people fighting

00:42:13 --> 00:42:16

about the five love languages in the chat. And I want to jump in

00:42:16 --> 00:42:20

there because we've got a very unique take on this. Okay, so J,

00:42:20 --> 00:42:24

The Five Love Languages is of it is a pop psychology book popular

00:42:24 --> 00:42:29

psychology meaning by a guy called Jerry Chapman. And in his work as

00:42:29 --> 00:42:34

a family therapist, he basically came up with or identified that

00:42:35 --> 00:42:39

people give and receive love in almost different languages or

00:42:39 --> 00:42:45

different dialects. Okay, so they, they perceive love differently. So

00:42:45 --> 00:42:49

for one, they need it to be verbalized for them to get it,

00:42:49 --> 00:42:53

right. And they themselves are typically very verbal with it. So

00:42:53 --> 00:42:56

there's, these are the words of affirmation people, the people who

00:42:56 --> 00:43:00

like to be to be appreciated verbally, rather to be told that

00:43:00 --> 00:43:03

you know, that they're grateful, or your grades are fine, so much.

00:43:03 --> 00:43:07

So you look lovely, you know, it's a verbal thing, right? That's the

00:43:07 --> 00:43:11

words of affirmation people, then there is the quality time, people

00:43:11 --> 00:43:17

who need time to really feel loved when their spouse actually makes

00:43:17 --> 00:43:21

time to be with them, to talk to them to listen to them to just be

00:43:21 --> 00:43:26

in this space, right? Then you have the physical touch people who

00:43:26 --> 00:43:29

need to be touched, right, it's not to do with the bedroom, it's

00:43:29 --> 00:43:34

literally hugs holding hands, a stroke of the shoulder, if they

00:43:34 --> 00:43:38

don't get that then they just don't feel loved or they don't get

00:43:38 --> 00:43:40

it right. Then there's the

00:43:41 --> 00:43:45

gift giving people and my when my children I've heard about these

00:43:45 --> 00:43:48

five love languages, they just think the gift of giving one is

00:43:48 --> 00:43:52

like such a cop out. But you know, some people that's how they

00:43:52 --> 00:43:55

express their love by giving gifts and some people, what they want

00:43:55 --> 00:43:59

really to show that you were thinking of them is that you've

00:43:59 --> 00:44:03

got them something right. And then you have the acts of service. So

00:44:03 --> 00:44:07

these are people who express their love for you by doing things for

00:44:07 --> 00:44:12

you. And likewise, they want things to be done for them. Now,

00:44:12 --> 00:44:15

somebody mentioned in the chat that there are more than five love

00:44:15 --> 00:44:20

languages. And I'm sure that could be true. But I think what is

00:44:20 --> 00:44:25

important at this point is what I hear people making reference to

00:44:25 --> 00:44:31

The Five Love Languages, it's almost a demand that you must

00:44:31 --> 00:44:36

speak my language. And if you don't speak my language or learn

00:44:36 --> 00:44:40

my language, I will not feel loved and I will not be happy. No matter

00:44:40 --> 00:44:45

how much you are expressing love in your language. It will not be

00:44:45 --> 00:44:47

good enough for me until you're speaking speaking it in my

00:44:47 --> 00:44:50

language. Right? And I think Brother NASA, do you want to just

00:44:50 --> 00:44:54

jump in because we had this conversation and this was one of

00:44:54 --> 00:44:57

the things that we came out with which is that when it becomes a

00:44:57 --> 00:45:00

problem is when you have a demand

00:45:00 --> 00:45:04

means that your spouse to speak your love language, or it's not

00:45:04 --> 00:45:06

good enough? Like, it's not okay.

00:45:07 --> 00:45:12

Yeah, I think, I think I think that, to me is my challenge with

00:45:12 --> 00:45:19

the texts is that I don't see that is, I never would, as long as I've

00:45:19 --> 00:45:22

had conversation with people who've read this book, and I'm

00:45:22 --> 00:45:27

gonna be very straightforward, I haven't read it, I haven't. It's

00:45:27 --> 00:45:28

collected dust for years.

00:45:31 --> 00:45:37

I sense from them this demand that you must know my love language,

00:45:37 --> 00:45:41

and you must fit into the box of my love language. And you must

00:45:41 --> 00:45:44

express yourself in that manner. And that goes back to what I said

00:45:44 --> 00:45:49

earlier, in the very beginning, I put in the chat, your wants, your

00:45:49 --> 00:45:52

preferences, your desires are fine, nothing wrong with that,

00:45:53 --> 00:45:56

it's in your best interest to learn a modality. So that that way

00:45:56 --> 00:45:59

you can stay in the best space mentally and emotionally, to

00:45:59 --> 00:46:04

influence your your partner to be able to respond in a manner that's

00:46:04 --> 00:46:07

consistent with your love language. That's, that's

00:46:07 --> 00:46:12

desirable. That's strategic, make sense? Do it. But it gets

00:46:12 --> 00:46:16

problematic when you demand that your spouse, your partner respond

00:46:16 --> 00:46:21

to you, or be in alignment with your love language. That, to me is

00:46:21 --> 00:46:25

just problematic. It's self sabotaging. And I think I'm yet to

00:46:25 --> 00:46:29

really have a conversation with anyone who's read that book. And

00:46:29 --> 00:46:30

articulates that point.

00:46:31 --> 00:46:36

I really hear this is my love language. And I you know, I would

00:46:37 --> 00:46:41

prefer that, you know, he knew it and, and, you know, related to me

00:46:41 --> 00:46:43

in that manner, but if he doesn't, it's okay.

00:46:44 --> 00:46:44

It

00:46:47 --> 00:46:52

is, yeah, I'm struggling with this, because, but so, so you

00:46:52 --> 00:46:57

cannot struggle with that. Because if you agree with shorty from

00:46:57 --> 00:47:00

Belgium from the beginning of the livestream,

00:47:02 --> 00:47:06

then this coincides with that expectations. One of the

00:47:06 --> 00:47:11

expectations that people have nowadays is that you must adhere

00:47:11 --> 00:47:16

to number three of the five love languages, which is my love

00:47:16 --> 00:47:20

language. And if you don't, then that must mean that you don't love

00:47:20 --> 00:47:20

me enough.

00:47:22 --> 00:47:27

No, I will sip my coffee while you try to say that I'm wrong.

00:47:28 --> 00:47:32

I actually, the reason I struggle with it is because I just think

00:47:33 --> 00:47:37

it's not the type of thing that should be discussed upfront. And I

00:47:37 --> 00:47:41

see people when they are looking for someone, they'll put it out

00:47:41 --> 00:47:44

there. Oh, by the way, my love languages gifts. Oh, by the way,

00:47:44 --> 00:47:48

my love language is acts of service. Okay. Oh, by the way, my

00:47:48 --> 00:47:51

love language is quality time and I need me so I'm gonna leave that.

00:47:51 --> 00:47:55

And it's like, okay, so what are we saying here? You're going to

00:47:55 --> 00:47:59

only match somebody who matches with you in terms of your love

00:47:59 --> 00:48:03

language like this is stupid. It's just stupid as far as I'm

00:48:03 --> 00:48:07

concerned. And it's one of those things I think it's a crutch I

00:48:07 --> 00:48:12

think it's become a relationship crutch. I'm so self aware and so

00:48:12 --> 00:48:16

kind of you know center that I know what my love languages are.

00:48:16 --> 00:48:20

Do you really though? And are you saying that because you know your

00:48:20 --> 00:48:24

love language? You cannot recognize love in any other form.

00:48:24 --> 00:48:29

So if you end up marrying a man for example, who is not verbal?

00:48:29 --> 00:48:33

Right? He does not express his love vocally verbally but the guy

00:48:33 --> 00:48:37

treats you like a princess he keeps you in the manner in which

00:48:37 --> 00:48:41

you're accustomed that cetera are you going to be that spoiled brat

00:48:41 --> 00:48:45

that says But you've never seen a lot of me though in this is

00:48:45 --> 00:48:48

immature. I think it's for me. I'm like, I'm over it. I think that's

00:48:48 --> 00:48:49

what I want to say.

00:48:51 --> 00:48:55

I'm over it guys. Yeah, this is the kind of thing now they're you

00:48:55 --> 00:48:59

know, and again, maybe the reason why somebody mentioned that if I

00:48:59 --> 00:49:02

popular psychology and it's kind of not worth our time a little bit

00:49:02 --> 00:49:05

although mashallah people have many have obviously benefited from

00:49:05 --> 00:49:09

it. I think the key here is can we

00:49:10 --> 00:49:17

do we want to get to know our spouses in a way that we are able

00:49:17 --> 00:49:22

to respond to their needs. This is just a tool for us to do that at

00:49:22 --> 00:49:26

the end of the day, right? So if you know that your husband let's

00:49:26 --> 00:49:30

talk about the sisters if you know that your husband likes a quiet

00:49:30 --> 00:49:34

house when he comes home, what love languages that

00:49:37 --> 00:49:40

is not any of the five love languages right? But you know that

00:49:40 --> 00:49:44

he appreciates that, you know that that is what he needs for his

00:49:44 --> 00:49:48

peace of mind when he comes home from work and he's you know, the

00:49:48 --> 00:49:51

stereotypical scenario that we keep talking about right? But my

00:49:51 --> 00:49:57

point is, love language or not, however you want to call it. Our

00:49:57 --> 00:49:59

part of our work in our

00:50:00 --> 00:50:04

We're marriages is learning how to love each other. Right? And maybe

00:50:04 --> 00:50:07

love languages are a shortcut to that. But learning each other's

00:50:07 --> 00:50:12

ways, learning what makes it good, what makes it not so good, what

00:50:12 --> 00:50:16

turns them on or off? What puts them in a good space and in a bad

00:50:16 --> 00:50:22

space? That's part of the work that we need to do. And I guess

00:50:22 --> 00:50:24

the love languages are like a shortcut, you know, for us to be

00:50:24 --> 00:50:28

able to say, Well, yeah, that's me. Right. But I don't think it's

00:50:28 --> 00:50:30

something it's I don't think it's as much of a deal breaker as

00:50:30 --> 00:50:35

people making it, or making it into right. And I don't think you

00:50:35 --> 00:50:40

should allow the fact that your spouse speaks a different love

00:50:40 --> 00:50:45

language to you, and maybe cannot or will not speak your language. I

00:50:45 --> 00:50:48

don't think you should allow that to destroy your relationship.

00:50:48 --> 00:50:51

Because if he loves you, you're gonna know it. And if he doesn't,

00:50:51 --> 00:50:54

you know, he doesn't love you probably will know that, too. But

00:50:54 --> 00:50:55

anyway, this is this is our thing.

00:50:57 --> 00:51:00

No, I think it's a good point. I think I think that's a really good

00:51:00 --> 00:51:05

point. And I think, I think it can help by giving you a framework for

00:51:06 --> 00:51:10

looking at expression. Right? A lot. I think it's great in that

00:51:10 --> 00:51:14

regard. But I just think unfortunately, the people that

00:51:14 --> 00:51:15

I've come across,

00:51:18 --> 00:51:19

they seem very rigid with it.

00:51:21 --> 00:51:22

And that that, to me is problematic.

00:51:24 --> 00:51:25

I like this comment.

00:51:26 --> 00:51:29

My love language is seeing my spouse genuinely tried to display

00:51:29 --> 00:51:32

love in any healthy way is displayed. I've had to learn that

00:51:32 --> 00:51:36

in the practicals. I've had to learn that in the practical

00:51:36 --> 00:51:39

experience of marriage. And yes, I have read it. I like that

00:51:39 --> 00:51:44

approach. I think we shouldn't have this rigid idea that I only

00:51:44 --> 00:51:48

understand love when it's expressed to me in this way. And

00:51:48 --> 00:51:52

if it's not expressed to me in that way, we have a problem. I

00:51:52 --> 00:51:54

think that rigidity is not helpful.

00:51:55 --> 00:51:56

Yeah, what do you

00:51:57 --> 00:52:01

can we, it was another comment up here that you you put up when the

00:52:01 --> 00:52:05

sister was saying it can be resolved by the connection with

00:52:05 --> 00:52:09

Allah. Oh, it's too far out. Now. That was way way way up.

00:52:11 --> 00:52:12

About the the trauma.

00:52:13 --> 00:52:17

Yeah, I'll read it to you this, this, this says I understand. But

00:52:17 --> 00:52:21

this is remedied. By strengthening one's relationship with a law

00:52:22 --> 00:52:26

trusting him and can get you through anything, I will try to

00:52:26 --> 00:52:29

leave myself open to marriage again. So just a point with that.

00:52:31 --> 00:52:35

Obviously, nothing against that in terms of building your

00:52:35 --> 00:52:39

relationship with you, your Lord and trusting your Lord. But I

00:52:39 --> 00:52:41

think you also need to understand

00:52:42 --> 00:52:47

a model so that you can understand your thinking your thoughts, and

00:52:47 --> 00:52:50

how that's connected to your feelings. Because if your thinking

00:52:50 --> 00:52:54

is off, it will distort your perception of the relationship you

00:52:54 --> 00:53:00

have with your Lord. So if you have a, a core belief that you're

00:53:00 --> 00:53:04

unlovable, then it's going to distort the perception of what you

00:53:04 --> 00:53:09

see your lower doing in your life. So that's just a point to, to

00:53:09 --> 00:53:14

because that that core belief of being unlovable colors that's the

00:53:14 --> 00:53:18

lens that you perceive and evaluate everything that happens

00:53:18 --> 00:53:22

in your life, including your relationship with the Lord. Right

00:53:23 --> 00:53:26

so just a side note yet strengthen your relationship with your lower

00:53:27 --> 00:53:30

trust lower but also do the work to learn how to understand your

00:53:30 --> 00:53:33

thinking and your feelings so that you can regulate both

00:53:34 --> 00:53:38

100% and the conversation about the love languages raging in the

00:53:38 --> 00:53:44

chat masala and just you know most of this most of this I believe

00:53:44 --> 00:53:48

again comes from our upbringing and what how we were shown love as

00:53:48 --> 00:53:53

children right? If we grew up in a very tactile family where there

00:53:53 --> 00:53:56

was a lot of hugging and touching and and closeness physical

00:53:56 --> 00:53:59

closeness to be married to somebody who grew up in an

00:53:59 --> 00:54:03

opposite environment who does not expect you know to be kind of

00:54:03 --> 00:54:08

cuddled up on the couch etc can be difficult because that's that's

00:54:08 --> 00:54:12

what you've grown to know is is Love is family etc. So anyway

00:54:12 --> 00:54:15

guys, if you'd like it didn't go read the book. It's not a hard

00:54:15 --> 00:54:18

book. It's not a very long book either go read the book and then

00:54:18 --> 00:54:21

come back on the channel and tell us what you thought inshallah use

00:54:21 --> 00:54:24

and benefit from it. I find it very useful. It was interesting

00:54:24 --> 00:54:28

and useful, but what I don't like is how people are kind of using it

00:54:28 --> 00:54:32

as a stick to beat people with now and also making it like a

00:54:32 --> 00:54:36

prerequisite for happiness that you have to speak my love

00:54:36 --> 00:54:38

language. That is that is the story on that.

00:54:39 --> 00:54:40

Okay.

00:54:41 --> 00:54:45

So Pamela right, this is we've we've lost control of the chat

00:54:45 --> 00:54:51

it's, it's it's it's mashallah, everybody is going crazy. I think

00:54:51 --> 00:54:54

if you have to, if you have read the book, you learn to see how

00:54:54 --> 00:54:59

others are showing you love Yes, I agree says I have also learned how

00:54:59 --> 00:54:59

to request love

00:55:00 --> 00:55:04

in a healthy way, whether or not I invite you to read the book? Yes,

00:55:04 --> 00:55:07

and it's true. One of the things that I think that the book really

00:55:07 --> 00:55:11

gets, does well, is breaking down the fact that we don't all

00:55:12 --> 00:55:16

understand love in the same way. Right? We don't all interpret the

00:55:16 --> 00:55:21

same behaviors as as somebody loving us, right? So this is

00:55:21 --> 00:55:21

interesting here.

00:55:23 --> 00:55:27

Okay, we just always right quick for everyone in the chat, we're

00:55:27 --> 00:55:32

going later on to look at some profiles. So if you have a sister

00:55:32 --> 00:55:36

that's interested in marriage and looking to get married, what you

00:55:36 --> 00:55:39

quickly send her a DM and tell her to get on this live chat so that

00:55:39 --> 00:55:44

she can see the profile or two that we're going to eventually

00:55:44 --> 00:55:48

come to. So everybody send that DM to your girlfriend.

00:55:49 --> 00:55:50

This is gonna get married?

00:55:51 --> 00:55:54

Yes, because we are about to transition into that just now. Do

00:55:54 --> 00:55:57

you want to just pick up some of the chats and just read them for

00:55:57 --> 00:55:59

the NASA and while I line up these slides? Because yeah, we can go

00:55:59 --> 00:56:02

into the profiles now. Mashallah. We didn't speak about being

00:56:02 --> 00:56:06

agreeable. We didn't really go into submission much at all, but

00:56:07 --> 00:56:10

we can dive in he was supposed to be Yeah, we can dive into

00:56:10 --> 00:56:13

agreeable I'm for that. I just wanted to make sure people start

00:56:13 --> 00:56:17

getting their friends to tune in so that that way, they can see the

00:56:17 --> 00:56:19

profiles that we're highlighting.

00:56:22 --> 00:56:23

Yeah.

00:56:27 --> 00:56:28

Apologies, one, one of the

00:56:31 --> 00:56:34

potential potentials told to join the chat as well. So

00:56:36 --> 00:56:39

So yeah, I mean, we can dive into a group when it's I think, all

00:56:39 --> 00:56:43

right. So let's, let's cut to the chase. Okay. Let's cut to the

00:56:43 --> 00:56:44

chase.

00:56:45 --> 00:56:51

Why? Why? And just for some context, again, I already gave my

00:56:51 --> 00:56:55

story, guys, I had an issue with the word submission, it didn't sit

00:56:55 --> 00:57:00

well with me, whatever. I think one of the things that was

00:57:00 --> 00:57:05

surprising to me when I started listening to men, in general

00:57:05 --> 00:57:10

talking amongst themselves, was that non Muslim men talked about

00:57:10 --> 00:57:15

submission, they talked about a submissive woman, right. And for

00:57:15 --> 00:57:20

the longest time, sisters had thought that it was only Muslim

00:57:20 --> 00:57:23

men who had this issue, right, meaning their wives to be obedient

00:57:23 --> 00:57:26

and submissive, right and quiet and just do as they're told that

00:57:26 --> 00:57:29

all of this and that other men are,

00:57:30 --> 00:57:34

you know, kind of broader minded or more confident, they're not

00:57:34 --> 00:57:38

intimidated by a confident woman, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah,

00:57:38 --> 00:57:46

blah. So to find non Muslim men, non religious men, talking about a

00:57:46 --> 00:57:50

woman submitting a woman's submission was a huge eye opener

00:57:50 --> 00:57:55

for me, because I was like, oh, what? This is a man thing. This is

00:57:55 --> 00:57:59

not like a Muslim man thing. This is not a DESE thing. It's not an

00:57:59 --> 00:58:04

Arab thing. It's a man thing. It's a masculine man thing. So give us

00:58:04 --> 00:58:08

the tea. Because many of us don't know, because especially people

00:58:08 --> 00:58:12

who are new to this conversation, they don't know. And they haven't

00:58:12 --> 00:58:16

heard men talking about what is so great about an agreeable woman,

00:58:16 --> 00:58:20

what's so great about a submissive woman tell us.

00:58:21 --> 00:58:24

So I think there's, there's a number of answers to that. And one

00:58:24 --> 00:58:30

is, look, I have as a man, a divine mandate to be a provider,

00:58:30 --> 00:58:35

and a protector. So that means I have to get up every day to go out

00:58:36 --> 00:58:41

and earn a living to be able to provide for my family. And that's

00:58:41 --> 00:58:45

not an easy task. Oftentimes, I have to tolerate things that I do

00:58:45 --> 00:58:46

not like,

00:58:47 --> 00:58:51

and be in spaces that I don't want to be in. Because I have that

00:58:51 --> 00:58:53

divine mandate to provide.

00:58:54 --> 00:58:59

So when I come home, I don't want to have to deal with someone that

00:58:59 --> 00:59:04

is disagreeable. Someone that has given me more tension and

00:59:04 --> 00:59:08

headache, and stress. Like I just had to go through for the first

00:59:08 --> 00:59:10

eight hours of my day

00:59:11 --> 00:59:15

at the job. So on a very practical level.

00:59:16 --> 00:59:19

No man wants to deal with that. Because if that's the case, he's

00:59:19 --> 00:59:23

gonna have been, he's gonna spend 16 hours of his day

00:59:24 --> 00:59:27

dealing with disagreeable, controlling,

00:59:29 --> 00:59:31

potentially domineering people

00:59:32 --> 00:59:37

in the public, and in the Prop. No man wants that. And then the other

00:59:37 --> 00:59:40

thing is, if you are a man and you have a vision for your family, and

00:59:40 --> 00:59:41

you have a direction,

00:59:42 --> 00:59:46

you don't need someone who's on the team that is, you know,

00:59:46 --> 00:59:51

digging holes in the boat. Right? Oh, questioning the direction that

00:59:51 --> 00:59:53

you have mapped out.

00:59:54 --> 00:59:58

That no system works like that. No business works like that. No

00:59:58 --> 00:59:59

Corporation works like that.

01:00:00 --> 01:00:01

it, no team works like that.

01:00:03 --> 01:00:07

And marriage isn't an individual sport. It's not golf. So it's a

01:00:07 --> 01:00:09

team sport, right? We're on this team.

01:00:11 --> 01:00:13

So you have a role to play, and you need to be agreeable in that

01:00:13 --> 01:00:15

position that I've given you.

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So, for me, that's one of the reasons why no one has time for

01:00:21 --> 01:00:26

that additional attention. And it's also ownership on a man

01:00:26 --> 01:00:31

though, before he gets married to check for that agreeableness, that

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she liked the program that I'm offering her direction I want to

01:00:36 --> 01:00:36

go in.

01:00:37 --> 01:00:41

And not just be that nice guy that just, you know, wants to pander to

01:00:41 --> 01:00:45

her and give her what he thinks she needs in the beginning, so

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that she used to marry him that's desperate to talk. That's

01:00:49 --> 01:00:52

neediness. And again, no woman likes a needy man.

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So what's the opposite of being agreeable? or submissive?

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confrontational,

01:01:06 --> 01:01:08

confrontational, being confrontational.

01:01:11 --> 01:01:14

being confrontational, being

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challenging the direction

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and the focus

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of the husband.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And like I said, No man wants that.

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No man wants that, however, but this is a this is an important

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point.

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Yes, so a

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assistant should be submissive, she should be agreeable. However,

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a man should also understand how he's going to handle when she's

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not.

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Okay, that's the reality. That's the reality. So just as I can say,

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no Corporation, no team

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has a system where there's no designated leader, there's a

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leader, and then there are those that are, that are the followers,

01:02:09 --> 01:02:13

right? Under the leader that's in corporations that's in successful

01:02:13 --> 01:02:19

business. That's a team grant, if I if, if I use that point,

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I also have to acknowledge that a leader also has to understand that

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there are going to be people on the team that at time don't agree

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with a vision that may act in a counterproductive way may self

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sabotage the vision, or the program the direction, they may

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not get the vision. So as for me as a leader, to screen them before

01:02:42 --> 01:02:46

I hire them, and give them a contract to be on the team that's

01:02:46 --> 01:02:51

on me. Right. And then once they're on the team, it's also on

01:02:51 --> 01:02:56

me, to manage the team and to manage, the player may manage the

01:02:56 --> 01:03:01

system in a way that helps to influence her to, to get on board

01:03:01 --> 01:03:03

with being agreeable and to understand the vision.

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Not just be harsh, and rude and rough.

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That's, that's not leadership. But this comes back to a point that I

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mentioned before in terms of being able to discipline yourself as a

01:03:18 --> 01:03:18

man.

01:03:19 --> 01:03:20

Right?

01:03:21 --> 01:03:26

To be able to lead yourself, right? That gap, right in

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integrity,

01:03:28 --> 01:03:30

the integrity gap and yourself.

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Because if you fix that, oftentimes that will influence.

01:03:36 --> 01:03:40

Right? So I think that's the meat of that phrase that is thrown

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around that if you're a man, right? A masculine man, then you

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don't have to question submission, you don't have to say it, because

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she'll just follow the meat of that is if you you have integrity,

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then she will see that and follow your example.

01:03:58 --> 01:04:00

Right, because you set a model,

01:04:01 --> 01:04:06

right? But that that takes ownership for me as a man so yes,

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I can say I want to mission, but the flip side of that is I also

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have to be able to understand and handle when I'm not getting

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submission and also model what I want.

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Right? Demonstrate that I have the integrity I have skill sets and

01:04:24 --> 01:04:28

the resources that should give you the validation or give you the

01:04:28 --> 01:04:29

comfort to follow me

01:04:31 --> 01:04:35

so both will have a role to play when it comes to is not just says

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to be some be submissive.

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Right? It's a valid question for assistant as although she should

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before marriage, what am I

01:04:46 --> 01:04:49

Yeah, yeah, that's that's that conversation we had in the

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marriage conversation where I you know, I had a different

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perspective. The other perspectives are fine as well. But

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I have a different perspective. You know, you respect me from day

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one.

01:04:58 --> 01:04:59

You get the you get

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More evidence for why you're respecting me post marriage.

01:05:04 --> 01:05:08

Similarly, you're submitting to me from day one, you get more

01:05:08 --> 01:05:13

evidence post marriage as to why you made that decision. But once

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you agree to the contract that I give,

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the deal is done.

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I was so so

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what about the idea of a joint vision? Right? This is interesting

01:05:31 --> 01:05:32

to me, because

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obviously, the way that we conceive of things is that there

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are two people coming together to people with their own experiences

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and their own, you know, background and talents and

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capabilities, etc.

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Is there a sense that a man when he is to marry

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already has figured out his vision for his family? Or is there he's

01:06:01 --> 01:06:04

going to find the woman and together they're going to create a

01:06:04 --> 01:06:05

vision?

01:06:06 --> 01:06:08

And again, this is obviously it's there's no hard and fast rule.

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But, you know, what are your thoughts on that?

01:06:13 --> 01:06:17

Yeah, I think that just I think, isn't his program? Or is it a co

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created program? I guess that's what I want to say.

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I think it can be co created, but it can be co created with the

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understanding that he has the final stamp on whatever was

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created.

01:06:30 --> 01:06:33

Right, I think that's important. So for example, I am someone

01:06:33 --> 01:06:38

that's very much. So when I was getting married, one of my

01:06:38 --> 01:06:44

criteria was, whoever I married had to be okay. It was no question

01:06:44 --> 01:06:49

about this. You had to accept homeschooling, period. That's just

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me. But I understand some brothers are not that involved or not that

01:06:53 --> 01:06:57

focused on the education piece. That's something that in their

01:06:57 --> 01:07:00

mind, they outsource to their wife, their wife handles that. So

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in that sense, that can be co created, right? He's, he's

01:07:04 --> 01:07:08

delegated it to his wife to figure out the education piece. So at the

01:07:08 --> 01:07:11

end of the day, though, he's the one that has the final say on it.

01:07:11 --> 01:07:14

And if he goes into with that mindset, I don't think there's an

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issue with that. But if he goes into with the mindset that he's

01:07:18 --> 01:07:22

submitting to whatever she says, and that that he has the final

01:07:22 --> 01:07:25

say, and that she's bringing to Him what might be best, and that

01:07:25 --> 01:07:29

might be the case. But he has a final say on that. And I think

01:07:29 --> 01:07:33

that's, that's that leadership piece that he can't shy away from.

01:07:33 --> 01:07:37

And if he does, again, it comes back to what I said before. Women

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don't like men that they can control. Yeah, this is exactly

01:07:41 --> 01:07:44

what I wanted to say, in martial arts is mentioned that I learned

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we should marry a man on a mission with purpose. So to that point, I

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think that, you know, the burden of performance, unfortunately,

01:07:53 --> 01:07:54

does lie on men,

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if they want the optimal situation in their relationship, because I

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think, no matter what many women they say, what they truly respect

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is a man who is on his purpose, and a man who is in his frame,

01:08:09 --> 01:08:14

right? And they may not like that all the time. Ladies, we can be

01:08:14 --> 01:08:18

honest, it's okay, this is my channel, okay? We can be honest,

01:08:19 --> 01:08:22

you may not like the fact that your husband has boundaries, or

01:08:22 --> 01:08:27

has a particular standard, you may wish that he was a bit easier, or

01:08:27 --> 01:08:30

if he just listened more, or if he just did things the way you think

01:08:30 --> 01:08:35

they should be done more, right. And just let you let you run

01:08:35 --> 01:08:38

things that you control things. Even though you may like that

01:08:38 --> 01:08:40

idea, or may like to think about that.

01:08:42 --> 01:08:49

What you respect is that your husband is the rock, right? And

01:08:49 --> 01:08:53

you have the freedom to be the see, sorry, guys, this I love this

01:08:53 --> 01:08:58

analogy. I love this analogy that the husband is the rock, he is the

01:08:58 --> 01:09:03

anchor of the family. And although we like to think of ourselves as

01:09:03 --> 01:09:08

strong and capable and mashallah, in our own ways, we are strong and

01:09:08 --> 01:09:12

capable. And we have vision, we have ideas and all of this, even

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when we do it, because I think it's not natural to us. It weighs

01:09:17 --> 01:09:23

on us very heavily. So you'll find that many sisters are the rocks in

01:09:23 --> 01:09:28

their family, right? But they don't like it. And it's heavy on

01:09:28 --> 01:09:32

them. And it's cumbersome on them and fill us in in the end. They

01:09:32 --> 01:09:37

resent their husband for that. So even if initially, they were happy

01:09:37 --> 01:09:41

that he passed things over to them and they had the so called freedom

01:09:41 --> 01:09:44

to go and take care of this and do that and be in charge of this and

01:09:44 --> 01:09:47

be in charge of that. But this is what Laura I think the name is

01:09:47 --> 01:09:50

Laura Doyle talks about in the surrendered wife, right? Where

01:09:51 --> 01:09:55

women, we like to control things. We'd like to be in control. We'd

01:09:55 --> 01:09:59

like to micromanage we'd like to boss around girls ladies just put

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yes in the chat if you know what

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We're talking about, okay.

01:10:02 --> 01:10:07

And a certain part of you gets a thrill when your husband lets you

01:10:07 --> 01:10:10

do that. Or when you've, you've managed to control him in this or

01:10:10 --> 01:10:13

this or this area. The only problem is, and like I said, you

01:10:13 --> 01:10:17

like it, right? The only problem with that is that it eats into

01:10:17 --> 01:10:22

your respect for him. So although you may like it, and you get that

01:10:22 --> 01:10:25

thrill, there's two things that happen. One, you lose respect for

01:10:25 --> 01:10:29

him, because he's showing that he, he has the weaker frame, because

01:10:29 --> 01:10:34

if two opposing ideas come, the one with the stronger frame will

01:10:34 --> 01:10:38

win, right? So he's showing you that he has the weaker friends, so

01:10:38 --> 01:10:42

then the respect is lost. And secondly, you end up taking the

01:10:42 --> 01:10:47

majority of the load. And although it feels good at the beginning,

01:10:47 --> 01:10:52

because now you're in charge, at the end of the day, you will start

01:10:52 --> 01:10:56

to resent him, because a part of you knows, that's not your role.

01:10:57 --> 01:11:00

That's not what you're supposed to be doing. So even if he lets you

01:11:00 --> 01:11:04

do it, even if initially, you're happy that he lets you do it in

01:11:04 --> 01:11:08

the end, because now you're in a space where you're not meant to be

01:11:08 --> 01:11:11

there, you're not created to be there, you're in this masculine

01:11:11 --> 01:11:15

frame, you're playing this masculine role. In the end, you

01:11:15 --> 01:11:18

will become resentful and tired. And ladies, let me know I think

01:11:18 --> 01:11:22

people are saying in the chat, mashallah, look, it reminds me of

01:11:22 --> 01:11:26

a session I had with assistant of the day, I brought up a pulled up

01:11:26 --> 01:11:27

the notes, and

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a phrase that she used,

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stood out to me, and she said, I feel like I'm a caretaker.

01:11:37 --> 01:11:41

Yeah, and like, but no caretakers in the chat, guys.

01:11:44 --> 01:11:49

How many sisters have had this relations, this this conversation

01:11:49 --> 01:11:54

with worrying that they are essentially halau roommates living

01:11:54 --> 01:11:59

together? And she's articulated in various ways, different clients in

01:11:59 --> 01:12:04

particular in various ways, their caretaker. Right, and, and no man

01:12:04 --> 01:12:09

should position themselves to be to be in that place.

01:12:10 --> 01:12:12

I like one of the comments, the brother said.

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Which one was it?

01:12:19 --> 01:12:23

Yeah, this is it right here. So we are killing ourselves, we have to

01:12:23 --> 01:12:27

be able to trust Allah first. And then let them in lead. He doesn't

01:12:27 --> 01:12:31

have to do it perfectly. But you must get with his program. That's

01:12:31 --> 01:12:34

it. That's it. And that's the mindset systems that you need to

01:12:35 --> 01:12:40

to look for in a man, right that you are going to have a voice, but

01:12:40 --> 01:12:43

you just understand that his voice makes a lot of final decision.

01:12:45 --> 01:12:48

And especially for the kind of man that you want.

01:12:49 --> 01:12:54

That's that's the thing. Again, that's where the dream and the

01:12:54 --> 01:12:59

reality clash, right. The dream is a man who never tells you no,

01:12:59 --> 01:13:03

right? The dream is a man who will do anything for you. Oh, the

01:13:03 --> 01:13:05

poetry and the songs and everything, right? We talked about

01:13:05 --> 01:13:12

this in last week. So the dream is a fantasy is the guy who would go

01:13:12 --> 01:13:15

out and find the world and bring it to you go and pick the stars

01:13:15 --> 01:13:18

from the sky and bring it to you, you know, basically do anything

01:13:18 --> 01:13:21

and everything that you want just to make you happy just to bring a

01:13:21 --> 01:13:24

smile to your face, you know, all that good stuff, right? That's the

01:13:24 --> 01:13:25

fantasy.

01:13:26 --> 01:13:31

The only trouble is the men who have self respect,

01:13:32 --> 01:13:38

and have purpose and know their worth, and are in their frame.

01:13:40 --> 01:13:41

They're not that guy.

01:13:42 --> 01:13:47

Right? They're not that guy. So the man that you want to lead your

01:13:47 --> 01:13:51

family is a leader. You don't run off to you making your dreams come

01:13:51 --> 01:13:55

true. That's not his job. Right. That's not his role. And you know,

01:13:55 --> 01:13:59

I want to, I think this was something that Kevin summers used

01:13:59 --> 01:14:03

to say. And it is one of those things that stuck with me. And it

01:14:03 --> 01:14:07

was men are not here for your amusement. Right? Men are not in

01:14:07 --> 01:14:12

this world. For your play and amusement. They're not here to

01:14:12 --> 01:14:17

make your world this amazing place, as if that's their sole

01:14:17 --> 01:14:22

purpose, you know, is to please you, make you happy make you fill

01:14:22 --> 01:14:25

you up with all the things that you want, right? That's not his

01:14:25 --> 01:14:29

purpose. And we you know, Kevin Samuels aside, we know from the

01:14:29 --> 01:14:33

Dean, that that's, that's nothing to do, like, of course, the

01:14:33 --> 01:14:37

treatment and the respect and you know, looking after it's all that

01:14:37 --> 01:14:39

but we're talking about another level here. We're not talking

01:14:39 --> 01:14:42

about just good treatment, which of course the process hadn't

01:14:42 --> 01:14:45

advised us or to, you know, to treat our lives with. We're

01:14:45 --> 01:14:51

talking about somebody who exists for your happiness, and that's not

01:14:51 --> 01:14:54

the guy that you want. Because that's not the guy that will lead

01:14:54 --> 01:14:56

your family. That's not the guy who can make the hard decisions.

01:14:57 --> 01:14:59

That's not the guy who can, you know, put in the

01:15:00 --> 01:15:04

work necessary, even when you don't like it, because I remember

01:15:04 --> 01:15:08

just briefly I want to share this story. I remember when my late

01:15:08 --> 01:15:12

husband and our children when we left Egypt for during the solar,

01:15:12 --> 01:15:16

we went to South Africa because the the revolution was kicking off

01:15:16 --> 01:15:21

in Egypt and had cut the internet. And so we left to go South Africa,

01:15:21 --> 01:15:24

we were there for about two months. And when we while we were

01:15:24 --> 01:15:28

there, just for fun, we said, you know, in South Africa, they open

01:15:28 --> 01:15:31

up houses on the weekend for people to drive in the

01:15:31 --> 01:15:33

neighborhood that they like, and go and see show houses, right, go

01:15:33 --> 01:15:38

see houses for sale. So we did that just for fun one day, had, we

01:15:38 --> 01:15:42

sold this house, and we just fell in love with this house. It was

01:15:42 --> 01:15:45

just such a beautiful house. And we didn't own any property at that

01:15:45 --> 01:15:47

time. And

01:15:48 --> 01:15:52

we talked about it, we discussed, you know, is there a possibility

01:15:52 --> 01:15:55

of going back to Egypt with the need to establish ourselves in

01:15:55 --> 01:16:00

South Africa, etc, etc. And we decided to put an offer for the

01:16:00 --> 01:16:07

house. So from that day, I hardly saw him. Because he woke up at 6am

01:16:07 --> 01:16:14

Every day, and went to like the common area, and just was on his

01:16:14 --> 01:16:20

grind. He was just on his grind. I was stuck in the one room with the

01:16:20 --> 01:16:23

kids, I think there were three of them at the time, trying to keep

01:16:23 --> 01:16:26

them off Cartoon Network, okay, trying to keep them busy with

01:16:26 --> 01:16:29

Kumaon. And, you know, maths papers and just trying to keep

01:16:29 --> 01:16:33

them busy on my own right. And he was on his grind. And he was doing

01:16:33 --> 01:16:37

this thing and martial arts about a cola. I don't know how long it

01:16:37 --> 01:16:41

took him to do it. But he made the money to buy that house in that

01:16:41 --> 01:16:45

period of time. Why do I share this martial arts article? Or why

01:16:45 --> 01:16:45

do I share this though,

01:16:47 --> 01:16:51

because a man who is on his purpose has to focus on his

01:16:51 --> 01:16:56

purpose. And if you're married to a man who's on his purpose, your

01:16:56 --> 01:17:00

role is to support him, as he goes out and gets these things, he goes

01:17:00 --> 01:17:04

out and fights for these things goes out and finds the things that

01:17:04 --> 01:17:08

are needed for the family. So in those periods of time, and there

01:17:08 --> 01:17:10

could be many of them.

01:17:11 --> 01:17:13

It's not going to be the relationship that you want. You

01:17:13 --> 01:17:16

don't want to be like a single parent, of course not, you know,

01:17:16 --> 01:17:19

you want help with the kids you want, you know, a break you want,

01:17:19 --> 01:17:22

you know not to have to do this and not to have to do that, right.

01:17:22 --> 01:17:27

But your role at that time is to support the vision. He's out there

01:17:27 --> 01:17:32

doing the thing, your role is to support. And I think it's really

01:17:32 --> 01:17:37

important for us all in whatever capacity were called on to do this

01:17:37 --> 01:17:41

is to play your role on the team, you know, just play your part on

01:17:41 --> 01:17:46

the team. And don't sabotage the team through your own personal

01:17:46 --> 01:17:49

stuff. That's where that emotional regulation comes in.

01:17:51 --> 01:17:54

Right? Because if you don't have control of your emotions, and that

01:17:54 --> 01:17:57

doesn't mean you have to be perfect with it every day or every

01:17:57 --> 01:18:01

moment. But when your emotions when you lead purely by emotion

01:18:01 --> 01:18:06

with no element of logic in it, that's when you can sabotage the

01:18:06 --> 01:18:11

relationship. And that can be problematic. Right? It's it

01:18:11 --> 01:18:12

sounds,

01:18:13 --> 01:18:16

you know, simplistic, but it's really true. Play your role.

01:18:17 --> 01:18:20

Play the position that you got on the team for.

01:18:25 --> 01:18:30

Okay, there was another point of there where I wanted to the sister

01:18:30 --> 01:18:34

says leadership is given to those who actions represent what they

01:18:34 --> 01:18:38

speak. That's what I mentioned before about the integrity gap.

01:18:39 --> 01:18:44

Right? Leading oneself from indeed himself. Right, it sets a

01:18:44 --> 01:18:48

blueprint, a model for those that are under him that are following

01:18:48 --> 01:18:53

him, his wife and his children. But the ownership on the sister is

01:18:53 --> 01:18:59

this, you vet for that beforehand. Look for integrity beforehand, ask

01:18:59 --> 01:19:03

those questions about the vision beforehand. You know, that's one

01:19:03 --> 01:19:06

of the things that I made a post about before. If you're not

01:19:06 --> 01:19:09

following me on IG, you should necessarily i Let me.

01:19:11 --> 01:19:12

Remember,

01:19:13 --> 01:19:17

check for integrity, check for what his vision is. And then ask

01:19:17 --> 01:19:22

them what role can you play in that to support it? That's one of

01:19:22 --> 01:19:26

the things you can do to help. Right. That's one of the things

01:19:26 --> 01:19:29

you can do to see what his vision is.

01:19:30 --> 01:19:32

Where do you want to take the family and how do you see me

01:19:32 --> 01:19:33

helping in that role?

01:19:35 --> 01:19:38

And see what he responds. And if he doesn't even give you a clearer

01:19:38 --> 01:19:42

vision than I think that tells you something that in and of itself.

01:19:42 --> 01:19:45

If he gets uncomfortable that you asked him about that, I think that

01:19:45 --> 01:19:51

tells you something as well. Yeah, but it made me purpose. This is a

01:19:51 --> 01:19:54

this is an ally you this is this is you gave him a you know, it's

01:19:54 --> 01:19:57

like taking a test and all you have to do is write your name to

01:19:57 --> 01:19:59

get an eight right if you ask him that type of

01:20:00 --> 01:20:01

Worship for man has really been focused.

01:20:03 --> 01:20:06

So for the brothers who are listening, you want to be focusing

01:20:06 --> 01:20:10

you want to be able to answer that question. I want to just go into

01:20:10 --> 01:20:13

this. This question here, masha Allah says says there she was

01:20:13 --> 01:20:16

talking about is asking why

01:20:17 --> 01:20:18

basically not?

01:20:22 --> 01:20:24

Oh, it was quite important actually. Because she was saying

01:20:24 --> 01:20:27

like, if you ask why is that a sign that is that always a sign of

01:20:27 --> 01:20:30

confrontation? That's right. So she was explaining to say there

01:20:30 --> 01:20:33

are different ways that people process information. Some people

01:20:33 --> 01:20:36

focus on what someone when someone why I ask why questions to

01:20:36 --> 01:20:40

understand why people do things instead of assuming. And then she

01:20:40 --> 01:20:43

mentioned that Allah allowed that messengers to ask questions in

01:20:43 --> 01:20:47

order to understand, but I'm wondering whether this is the type

01:20:47 --> 01:20:50

of question that you could have the type of conversation you could

01:20:50 --> 01:20:54

have with somebody that you're considering marrying? Which is,

01:20:55 --> 01:20:59

how do you feel about me asking when you've made a decision? Or

01:20:59 --> 01:21:02

when you're considering something? How do you feel about me asking

01:21:02 --> 01:21:04

why, and have that conversation? What do you think?

01:21:08 --> 01:21:09

Yeah, I think.

01:21:11 --> 01:21:13

So I think I think

01:21:14 --> 01:21:16

tone in diction is important.

01:21:17 --> 01:21:21

So if you're going to use the question of why I think it's

01:21:21 --> 01:21:22

important, what is your tone?

01:21:24 --> 01:21:26

You know, when are you asking why?

01:21:27 --> 01:21:32

Right? And if you're going to say, why is another way to word it?

01:21:33 --> 01:21:35

Right? Because again, we got to remember, if you if you look,

01:21:37 --> 01:21:41

what I what I say often is this sisters, what I need you to do, is

01:21:41 --> 01:21:44

that same level of

01:21:46 --> 01:21:51

thinking, discernment that you use at work, I want you to use it at

01:21:51 --> 01:21:56

home with your husband, just as you are meticulous in how you word

01:21:56 --> 01:21:59

things with your supervisor at work, I want you to have that same

01:21:59 --> 01:22:03

level of discernment and being meticulous about how you word

01:22:03 --> 01:22:09

things with your husband. So maybe why isn't the best way to ask the

01:22:09 --> 01:22:12

question? Maybe just having a conversation with him. You're

01:22:12 --> 01:22:16

understanding what the why is. And then you also have to ask

01:22:16 --> 01:22:18

yourself, why are you still asking why?

01:22:20 --> 01:22:23

Because is this really asking why so that you can finally get him to

01:22:23 --> 01:22:27

change his mind? Or to see that you're really right out there?

01:22:27 --> 01:22:29

You've already had the conversation.

01:22:31 --> 01:22:36

So I think, tone diction, when you're having a conversation, and

01:22:36 --> 01:22:40

what's the reason for having a conversation? If it's literally

01:22:40 --> 01:22:43

clarity, then okay.

01:22:44 --> 01:22:47

But I would make sure I'm in the right space mentally and

01:22:47 --> 01:22:51

emotionally before I sought that clarity. But I wouldn't make that

01:22:51 --> 01:22:55

a prerequisite for me to follow. Moving. That's the sticking point,

01:22:55 --> 01:22:59

isn't it? That's the submission piece. That was the submission

01:22:59 --> 01:23:03

piece, right? Get it? You don't have to get it you don't have to

01:23:03 --> 01:23:06

understand why. fall in line.

01:23:07 --> 01:23:10

Okay, okay, for the masses and his check bag again.

01:23:16 --> 01:23:17

When one fall in line,

01:23:19 --> 01:23:21

because that's what you're gonna do at work,

01:23:22 --> 01:23:24

aren't, lets me know,

01:23:25 --> 01:23:28

you're going to do that at work, you're going to fall in line and

01:23:28 --> 01:23:32

give your supervisor what he's asking of you, regardless of what

01:23:32 --> 01:23:39

you think, regardless of what you feel. So give that same deference

01:23:39 --> 01:23:45

to the man who's been given the divine mandate to be your provider

01:23:45 --> 01:23:46

and your protector.

01:23:50 --> 01:23:55

Which by the way, not brother, I would not advise you to stay in a

01:23:55 --> 01:23:59

situation where she can't give that to you. does not ask him for

01:23:59 --> 01:24:01

too much. He some pushback for you.

01:24:03 --> 01:24:07

I am sorry. But it sounds really terrible. If I have to act with my

01:24:07 --> 01:24:12

husband, as our act at work with my manager know what I'm asking

01:24:12 --> 01:24:16

you to do is have that discernment, meaning you pause and

01:24:16 --> 01:24:20

you think about what you're saying. Now, if you don't think

01:24:20 --> 01:24:24

you need to have that with your spouse, I would suggest you

01:24:25 --> 01:24:29

revisit the role you should play as a wife.

01:24:30 --> 01:24:35

There's always there's always room to think before you speak. And so

01:24:35 --> 01:24:40

what I'm suggesting is the same time when you're at work, and you

01:24:40 --> 01:24:41

think before you

01:24:42 --> 01:24:46

disagree with your supervisor, or how you're going to disagree with

01:24:46 --> 01:24:47

your supervisor.

01:24:48 --> 01:24:53

Your husband is definitely deserving deserving of that same

01:24:53 --> 01:24:55

discernment and respect.

01:24:57 --> 01:24:57

So

01:24:58 --> 01:24:59

yeah, I

01:25:00 --> 01:25:07

If I please, I'm welcome to push back. To me this is rudimentary.

01:25:08 --> 01:25:15

You do it at work, meaning, you literally will think about your

01:25:15 --> 01:25:20

thinking before you express your thoughts. You will definitely

01:25:20 --> 01:25:24

think about your feelings before you allow your feelings to color

01:25:24 --> 01:25:25

the experience.

01:25:26 --> 01:25:27

Why not do that at home?

01:25:33 --> 01:25:38

So what happens is this, you, ABC, you know, as the event B is a

01:25:38 --> 01:25:42

belief, C is the consequences emotionally, the constantly

01:25:42 --> 01:25:45

emotional consequence, the behavioral consequence, the A at

01:25:45 --> 01:25:51

work supervisor says something that I disagree with. What is the

01:25:51 --> 01:25:58

thinking that be the thinking is, I don't like this. However, it's

01:25:58 --> 01:26:01

not the end of the world, I can handle it, and I need to pay for

01:26:01 --> 01:26:03

my kids private school.

01:26:04 --> 01:26:10

This see is I'm irritated. This seat. So emotional, see emotional

01:26:10 --> 01:26:16

consequences, I'm irritated. The behavioral consequence is, I agree

01:26:16 --> 01:26:20

with him. And I and I, and I complete the report after work

01:26:20 --> 01:26:26

hours. Why not because your supervisor told you to, but

01:26:26 --> 01:26:29

because of the be the belief, the narrative, the meaning you

01:26:29 --> 01:26:33

created, about what your supervisor said, the B is what you

01:26:33 --> 01:26:36

have control over, you don't have control over the supervisor, you

01:26:36 --> 01:26:41

have control over the belief, the narrative you create, after your

01:26:41 --> 01:26:44

supervisor says something requests something that you don't like,

01:26:45 --> 01:26:48

what you that narrative, that meaning you create it is what

01:26:48 --> 01:26:54

produced the sea. Right? That frustration and irritation which

01:26:54 --> 01:26:57

is a healthy negative emotion, that healthy alternative to anger,

01:26:58 --> 01:27:02

and produce the US sitting down at your desk and filling out that

01:27:02 --> 01:27:06

report and getting to him after hours before you left your job.

01:27:08 --> 01:27:13

So what I'm seeing is that same formula I want you to use at home

01:27:13 --> 01:27:13

with your husband,

01:27:15 --> 01:27:19

I want you to be able to sit down with yourself in the moment. And

01:27:19 --> 01:27:23

question What are you telling yourself? When you hear something

01:27:23 --> 01:27:24

that you don't like?

01:27:26 --> 01:27:30

Right? When you experience any emotion that is uncomfortable? I

01:27:30 --> 01:27:33

want you to ask yourself, What am I telling myself?

01:27:34 --> 01:27:38

Because what you told yourself when your supervisor asked you to

01:27:38 --> 01:27:42

fill out that report before you leave work today, that emotion you

01:27:42 --> 01:27:43

create it

01:27:45 --> 01:27:48

came from the narrative that you created once he said that.

01:27:49 --> 01:27:52

So that's what I'm saying you should do. I'm not saying you need

01:27:52 --> 01:27:56

to act as you act or put on the mask that you put on when you at

01:27:56 --> 01:28:00

work. I'm not saying that. But what I'm saying is I want you to

01:28:00 --> 01:28:04

have that same deference for your husband, to give him that

01:28:04 --> 01:28:05

modality.

01:28:06 --> 01:28:10

That deliberate thinking I II, this event happened, this is the

01:28:10 --> 01:28:14

narrative I created. And this is how I feel and this is what I do

01:28:15 --> 01:28:18

what I did, is this constructive or helpful or not enough? It's

01:28:18 --> 01:28:22

not. I'm gonna go back and change the way I'm thinking so that I get

01:28:22 --> 01:28:24

the outcome that I would like,

01:28:26 --> 01:28:29

or be able to influence the outcome that I would like, that's

01:28:29 --> 01:28:30

what I'm asking you to do.

01:28:32 --> 01:28:35

Okay, put your comments in the chat. Guys. Let us know your

01:28:35 --> 01:28:38

thoughts on that. And I need to know from Bob, he said he

01:28:38 --> 01:28:42

witnessed the cringy us youtube channel so he's here to clean his

01:28:42 --> 01:28:46

brain with common sense. I love that. Because I can locate him

01:28:46 --> 01:28:49

please do tell us what was the cringe we all want to know in sha

01:28:49 --> 01:28:55

Allah. Okay, so I think we are going to try this. So so much

01:28:55 --> 01:28:58

here, Mashallah. Lots of love coming in here for what you're

01:28:58 --> 01:29:03

saying. Obviously, the sisters and the brothers are giving this an

01:29:03 --> 01:29:04

air hole.

01:29:06 --> 01:29:08

issue with one times it's about both wife and husband having to

01:29:08 --> 01:29:11

pretend so they no longer have a safe place to offset. I think

01:29:11 --> 01:29:13

another issue, really, to be honest, is that in a lot of

01:29:14 --> 01:29:18

families, the husband is not the sole provider, or maybe even the

01:29:18 --> 01:29:22

main provider. And I think that's where it becomes an issue for

01:29:22 --> 01:29:25

maybe many sisters, you guys can let me know in the chat is if

01:29:25 --> 01:29:28

you're both working, if you're both contributing to the

01:29:28 --> 01:29:31

household, right. And if you know you basically can't survive

01:29:31 --> 01:29:35

without both incomes or whatever. There is an element of know if

01:29:35 --> 01:29:39

we're going to make decisions, especially decisions that involve

01:29:39 --> 01:29:42

money or finances and stuff like that. We need to be making these

01:29:42 --> 01:29:44

decisions together. I can't just

01:29:45 --> 01:29:48

you know, my husband column doesn't leave the holes you create

01:29:48 --> 01:29:51

though. Yeah, I know. There's still a narrative you create.

01:29:54 --> 01:29:58

Well, guys, I'm articulating that is the narrative so what's what

01:29:58 --> 01:29:59

are your thoughts on that?

01:30:00 --> 01:30:00

Are

01:30:01 --> 01:30:03

you asking me? Are you asking them because I think it's problematic?

01:30:04 --> 01:30:07

Well, it may well be problematic. But what's, what's the answer?

01:30:08 --> 01:30:13

Because one, okay, I will say this if your wife is getting lunch? No,

01:30:13 --> 01:30:16

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait a second. No, we're not accepting

01:30:16 --> 01:30:22

that. Because if you are a kept woman, or everyone knows that

01:30:22 --> 01:30:28

everyone knows this is the problem is some sisters not all not

01:30:28 --> 01:30:35

accepting that, that, that divine structure, men, okay, hold on a

01:30:35 --> 01:30:40

second. Because if you bring that you're talking about an ideal, but

01:30:40 --> 01:30:44

we're talking about a less than ideal situation where the woman is

01:30:44 --> 01:30:48

a provider or a breadwinner. That's not the ideal scenario. And

01:30:48 --> 01:30:51

that's why it's not very helpful to come with. Okay, but in the

01:30:51 --> 01:30:56

ideal scenario, okay, let's let's be real, if you are providing

01:30:56 --> 01:30:59

everything for your wife, okay, financially, everything is taken

01:30:59 --> 01:31:04

care of, she does not have to worry or think about anything. Um,

01:31:04 --> 01:31:09

nine times out of 10, she's going to allow you to lead, no push

01:31:09 --> 01:31:14

back, nothing to say. The minute you're the minute and again, I

01:31:14 --> 01:31:15

could be wrong, guys, but I think

01:31:16 --> 01:31:17

we'll go ahead and you

01:31:19 --> 01:31:20

listen, at the end of the night.

01:31:22 --> 01:31:25

Yeah, okay. I'm not gonna vouch for the OMA Okay, today's not the

01:31:25 --> 01:31:29

day. But what I will say, you're right, I'm not a mathematician,

01:31:29 --> 01:31:36

even the, you know, I think most women understand that, if he's

01:31:36 --> 01:31:41

leading the house financially, he takes the lead Hollis, where the

01:31:41 --> 01:31:45

waters become muddy is where she is performing part of his

01:31:45 --> 01:31:50

traditional role. So if you have both parents working, and I have

01:31:50 --> 01:31:52

friends like this, that's why I'm bringing this up. And because this

01:31:52 --> 01:31:56

is a real thing, and obviously, a lot of the time we speak in terms

01:31:56 --> 01:32:01

of the man working woman at home, I would love to see actual figures

01:32:01 --> 01:32:04

on how often that's actually happening in Muslim homes,

01:32:04 --> 01:32:09

especially today. Right? How many Muslim homes are based on a single

01:32:09 --> 01:32:14

income? How many Muslim homes are based on an income or on a system

01:32:14 --> 01:32:18

where the wife may work, but her money is her own. And she doesn't

01:32:18 --> 01:32:21

spend it on the house. I have friends who both parents work

01:32:21 --> 01:32:25

their teachers, they both work the same hours, they bring in more or

01:32:25 --> 01:32:29

less the same amount, and decisions like buying a property,

01:32:29 --> 01:32:33

you know, fixing up a place holidays, etc. She's paying for

01:32:33 --> 01:32:38

that. Right? So I don't I think it's disingenuous to say that,

01:32:39 --> 01:32:44

that doesn't change the dynamic. I think that it's it's problematic

01:32:44 --> 01:32:47

to say that that doesn't change the dynamic somehow. And if you do

01:32:47 --> 01:32:50

say that it doesn't change the dynamic. I would like you to

01:32:50 --> 01:32:51

explain how

01:32:52 --> 01:32:55

sometimes I do disagree with him guys. Can I just say sometimes I

01:32:55 --> 01:33:02

do. I do disagree. Okay. And I will speak out. That I know, say,

01:33:02 --> 01:33:05

Well, I disagree, but just do it wrong.

01:33:07 --> 01:33:11

It's I'm Hope I'm open to being wrong. But this is the reality. So

01:33:11 --> 01:33:15

what's so I agree with the client that I told you about in terms of

01:33:15 --> 01:33:19

being a caretaker, that's one of the things that she mentioned, as

01:33:19 --> 01:33:23

well, she's earning more. And she's paying, for example, car

01:33:23 --> 01:33:26

leaves, and phone bills, and all of these other things and

01:33:26 --> 01:33:32

groceries. And so I know that that reality exists, I get it. The

01:33:32 --> 01:33:37

point that I'm saying though, is you can still have the narrative

01:33:37 --> 01:33:43

that this is my husband, he is the leader of the home, and I will

01:33:43 --> 01:33:48

defer to him as the leader. That's the point that I'm making, you're

01:33:48 --> 01:33:52

choosing to have a different narrative that since I'm bringing

01:33:52 --> 01:33:57

in 5050, or I'm bringing in 50%, or some I'm contributing period

01:33:57 --> 01:34:02

than I have, because I'm bringing in some financial means I have a

01:34:02 --> 01:34:05

seat at the table in terms of decision making. That's a

01:34:05 --> 01:34:07

narrative. You construct that.

01:34:08 --> 01:34:12

Yeah, and construct it, you can deconstruct it. And I'm

01:34:13 --> 01:34:14

that's my question. Why?

01:34:16 --> 01:34:22

Because if you're dealing with a masculine man, not the dream, Oh

01:34:25 --> 01:34:28

no, here we go. So

01:34:29 --> 01:34:30

so

01:34:31 --> 01:34:34

it if you're dealing with a masculine man, or you know, versus

01:34:34 --> 01:34:38

someone who's a, you know, the nice guy type, then it's not an

01:34:38 --> 01:34:42

issue. But if you're dealing with a masculine man, he's going to

01:34:42 --> 01:34:44

want to naturally lead.

01:34:45 --> 01:34:49

So then it's producing consequences to the relationship.

01:34:50 --> 01:34:54

So that's why you shouldn't do it. When I wouldn't have to deal with

01:34:54 --> 01:34:57

the religion aspect of this. Just the reality is you're dealing with

01:34:57 --> 01:34:59

a masculine man. He's not going to

01:35:00 --> 01:35:04

Except, and it's not going to rub him well, that you are controlling

01:35:04 --> 01:35:06

and leading the marriage.

01:35:07 --> 01:35:11

How is the masculine man okay with her working and paying half the

01:35:11 --> 01:35:18

bills then? So he, so he may not be? I'm not saying that he is. But

01:35:18 --> 01:35:22

for whatever reason, yes, you know, there's multiple, multiple

01:35:22 --> 01:35:25

reasons how they could get in that dynamic. But that may have been

01:35:25 --> 01:35:29

something that they agreed upon at the very beginning before they got

01:35:29 --> 01:35:33

married, then the question would become, says, Why did you marry?

01:35:37 --> 01:35:39

Okay, why? Why is that a question?

01:35:41 --> 01:35:46

Because if you don't want to be contributing to the marriage, and

01:35:46 --> 01:35:50

you don't want if you want to work, and you don't want your

01:35:50 --> 01:35:54

funds to have to be given to the family success, then you shouldn't

01:35:54 --> 01:35:58

be married a man that's going to tell you that now if in the

01:35:58 --> 01:36:02

progress of the relationship, something comes up and injury,

01:36:02 --> 01:36:06

harm, something comes up. And then he asked you to that's a different

01:36:06 --> 01:36:07

conversation.

01:36:08 --> 01:36:12

But going into a marriage, and it's this, this scenario, you're

01:36:12 --> 01:36:16

talking about going into a marriage with at least 5050?

01:36:17 --> 01:36:18

Initially?

01:36:19 --> 01:36:22

Is that what we're talking about? Because if they're I think in many

01:36:22 --> 01:36:28

in many people's Yeah, in many people's situations, okay. Parents

01:36:28 --> 01:36:32

are working. Let's roll with it. If that's the case, and it's

01:36:32 --> 01:36:38

something where it's further question is this need bass, or she

01:36:38 --> 01:36:44

grew up wanting to be a engineer, or wanting to be a doctor, and

01:36:44 --> 01:36:48

she's gone too far into her education, and she wants to get

01:36:48 --> 01:36:51

something out of this education. Now, for the sake of argument,

01:36:51 --> 01:36:56

let's say needs based, okay, if it's a needs based, even if it's a

01:36:56 --> 01:37:00

needs based situation, the question becomes, if he's

01:37:00 --> 01:37:03

naturally a masculine man, he's going to want to meet.

01:37:05 --> 01:37:08

So you still haven't answered the question, though. The question is,

01:37:08 --> 01:37:13

are you saying, Are you saying that say and again, yes, use the

01:37:13 --> 01:37:17

example both parents or teachers, like I said, more or less earning

01:37:17 --> 01:37:21

the same amount, okay. Their combined incomes, keep the family

01:37:21 --> 01:37:24

going, right? It's not like one of them is paying for everything, and

01:37:24 --> 01:37:28

the other one is saving their combined income is what keeps the

01:37:28 --> 01:37:33

family going. So in a situation like that, what I'm saying is that

01:37:33 --> 01:37:39

many women would not be okay with not having a seat at the table.

01:37:39 --> 01:37:42

That's her money that she worked for, to put into the pot. So to

01:37:42 --> 01:37:46

say she shouldn't even expect a seat at the table to discuss, like

01:37:46 --> 01:37:49

the plans and the vision and what's going on and everything

01:37:49 --> 01:37:51

like that, because that's what's on the table.

01:37:53 --> 01:37:56

Okay, okay. Okay. See, this is what I appreciate. This is what I

01:37:56 --> 01:38:02

appreciate. I love I appreciate this. This is what you did.

01:38:03 --> 01:38:07

No one and we said this is the very beginning so you can check

01:38:07 --> 01:38:12

the tape. It's not about you not having a voice. It's about the

01:38:12 --> 01:38:17

final decision. Okay, so I'm not saying you don't have a seat at

01:38:17 --> 01:38:21

the table to have a voice. I'm saying you don't have a seat at

01:38:21 --> 01:38:26

the table to make the final decision. Yes. But because you

01:38:26 --> 01:38:29

said no seats at the table. Hey, hello. Hello. Can we roll the

01:38:29 --> 01:38:30

tape? No.

01:38:31 --> 01:38:34

You don't get a seat at the table if you have a masculine man he

01:38:34 --> 01:38:38

wants to leave you don't get a seat at the table. Right in terms

01:38:38 --> 01:38:40

of the final decision okay.

01:38:43 --> 01:38:46

So that means that we sat at the table we talked we discussed we

01:38:46 --> 01:38:49

weighed up we deal with this and then by the time it was decision

01:38:49 --> 01:38:53

time I was ejected from the table said okay I'll deal with this from

01:38:53 --> 01:38:54

now on yeah

01:38:56 --> 01:39:01

basically just just for spice just was fine to set off the sisters in

01:39:01 --> 01:39:06

the in the chat you dismissed no no I'm the one who's going to be

01:39:06 --> 01:39:07

set off not the sisters in the chat.

01:39:09 --> 01:39:11

Yeah, we need to discuss you can leave now

01:39:16 --> 01:39:18

some issues now.

01:39:20 --> 01:39:24

Problem problems I go to have some problems Can you guys imagine like

01:39:24 --> 01:39:28

no you guys can tell me in your country because different cultures

01:39:28 --> 01:39:32

right? Have different approaches to women working right and I know

01:39:32 --> 01:39:35

we've got much other some Nigerians in the chat and on the

01:39:35 --> 01:39:38

channel. And I know like you're about women, like you're about

01:39:38 --> 01:39:42

women got their hustle on 24/7 Okay, give me a yes of the chat

01:39:42 --> 01:39:45

that you guys know what I'm talking about. You're about women.

01:39:45 --> 01:39:49

They've got their hustle on and a lot of countries out of the west

01:39:49 --> 01:39:53

and even in the West. Anyway. Women working having some kind of

01:39:53 --> 01:39:56

job, somebody's having some kind of, you know, hustle, hustle as

01:39:56 --> 01:39:59

they say. It's it's it's like it's mandatory or not

01:40:00 --> 01:40:02

and strike kids go to school in Kansas State, because being a

01:40:02 --> 01:40:07

housewife is a luxury. Being a housewife is a luxury and a

01:40:07 --> 01:40:10

privilege. And I think one of the conversations that we've been

01:40:10 --> 01:40:13

having, and that a lot of the sisters have been having is, for

01:40:13 --> 01:40:20

sisters who are able to stay home, who have the luxury of not having

01:40:20 --> 01:40:20

to work,

01:40:21 --> 01:40:23

it kind of

01:40:24 --> 01:40:29

it's unfortunate to hear them, they are chomping at the bit to

01:40:29 --> 01:40:32

get out into the workforce, right, because they are actually the

01:40:32 --> 01:40:35

privileged ones. They are the lucky ones, right? They're the

01:40:35 --> 01:40:39

blessed ones who don't have to do that. For everybody else. It's a

01:40:39 --> 01:40:42

case of for many people, it's a case of it's a necessity, right,

01:40:42 --> 01:40:46

this is what I have to do. And you know, in the UK, for example, back

01:40:46 --> 01:40:50

in the 90s, early 2000s, probably before that, you know, if you were

01:40:50 --> 01:40:53

a mother, you could stay at home, follow us like you would get

01:40:53 --> 01:40:55

benefits that will give you benefits, you know, they'll give

01:40:55 --> 01:40:57

you all this help from the government welfare stuff, even if

01:40:57 --> 01:41:01

you're married, but they've cut all of that. And now after the

01:41:01 --> 01:41:06

last child is a certain age, they are on your case to see where are

01:41:06 --> 01:41:09

you working, if you're not working, we're cutting your

01:41:09 --> 01:41:11

benefits, you're not going to get benefits anymore, if you don't

01:41:11 --> 01:41:14

show that you're looking for a job, they want people out in the

01:41:14 --> 01:41:18

workplace, they don't want you at home. So it's you know, I like the

01:41:18 --> 01:41:21

fact that we can have this conversation, we can have this

01:41:21 --> 01:41:28

back and forth. And we can also see how it's not just one way,

01:41:28 --> 01:41:32

there isn't one situation that has one view, you know, there are so

01:41:32 --> 01:41:37

many diverse experiences of this. But I think to kind of bring it

01:41:37 --> 01:41:42

all back, and hopefully give the sisters and the brothers you know,

01:41:42 --> 01:41:46

something beneficial from from this fat is that at the end of the

01:41:46 --> 01:41:53

day, a man is a man is a man. And a man will always appreciate

01:41:53 --> 01:41:57

respect and expect to be respected by his wife, regardless,

01:41:58 --> 01:42:02

regardless guys, and if you can hold on to respecting him,

01:42:02 --> 01:42:06

regardless of the finances, whether you earn more whether you

01:42:06 --> 01:42:12

unless we do both contributing, etc. It will be easier to to be in

01:42:12 --> 01:42:17

that relationship right to be in that marriage. Because a man, even

01:42:17 --> 01:42:23

that man who cleans the streets, when he goes home, he wants

01:42:23 --> 01:42:23

respect.

01:42:25 --> 01:42:29

The gardener who then looking after the gardening when he goes

01:42:29 --> 01:42:30

home, Baba,

01:42:31 --> 01:42:36

as we say in Zimbabwe, right, Baba, he is he's the father, you

01:42:36 --> 01:42:40

know, he's the man. And most men in almost every culture, I think

01:42:40 --> 01:42:45

every man in every culture, that is what He requires, in order for

01:42:45 --> 01:42:49

him to feel good in that role for him to to perform in that role,

01:42:49 --> 01:42:53

right? So it helps to just bear that in mind that your respect

01:42:53 --> 01:42:57

shouldn't be conditional. Your respect for your husband should

01:42:57 --> 01:42:59

not be conditional. And again, we're not talking about crazy

01:42:59 --> 01:43:03

stuff. We're not talking about somebody who has done crazy things

01:43:03 --> 01:43:07

and has, you know, has has lost your respect through bad behavior

01:43:07 --> 01:43:09

and betrayal and blah, blah, blah. We're just talking about the

01:43:09 --> 01:43:11

financial piece here. But yeah.

01:43:14 --> 01:43:15

Let's take a look.

01:43:16 --> 01:43:18

I want to show these profiles.

01:43:19 --> 01:43:23

Can we do that? Yeah. It says here, why can't it be mutual when

01:43:23 --> 01:43:26

it comes to making decisions? I think we discussed this, there is

01:43:26 --> 01:43:31

a discussion over decisions. But the final say, is the one who is

01:43:31 --> 01:43:33

responsible before Allah subhanaw taala.

01:43:36 --> 01:43:40

Final say is with the one who is responsible before Allah. And I

01:43:40 --> 01:43:44

think that that's a good way of framing it for any sister who's

01:43:44 --> 01:43:47

struggling with that, is that your

01:43:48 --> 01:43:51

wow, look, your energy is going to end your marriage, I'm not sure

01:43:51 --> 01:43:54

who to hear was talking to, hopefully not to me. But

01:43:55 --> 01:43:59

you know, it helps to remember that this is not a power play.

01:44:00 --> 01:44:05

This is not about power. This is about responsibility, actually. So

01:44:05 --> 01:44:09

when it comes to the man being the leader, the man you know, taking

01:44:09 --> 01:44:13

the lead making the decision. It's not because he's the powerful one,

01:44:13 --> 01:44:17

no, because he has all the power. He has the responsibility and he

01:44:17 --> 01:44:20

is accountable. And Allah subhanaw taala is going to question him

01:44:20 --> 01:44:23

about it. And you know, I don't think that's something that we

01:44:23 --> 01:44:25

want to trade to be honest with you guys can have it.

01:44:26 --> 01:44:30

Yeah, that's the that's that's an interesting point that I never

01:44:30 --> 01:44:33

really understood what says, like what why do you?

01:44:35 --> 01:44:37

Why do you want that heavy of a responsibility?

01:44:39 --> 01:44:42

Like because it's framed in power and freedom, not responsibility.

01:44:42 --> 01:44:45

That's why that's the framing. It's he can do whatever he wants.

01:44:45 --> 01:44:49

He can make anything happen he can go wherever he wants, you know, no

01:44:49 --> 01:44:54

one questions him right. freedom and power. When actually it's a

01:44:54 --> 01:44:57

huge responsibilities Pamela, and I don't think that we look at it

01:44:57 --> 01:44:59

like that enough. Yeah, I just

01:45:00 --> 01:45:04

I think it's, you know, one of the things when I've, when I first

01:45:04 --> 01:45:08

converted, one of the things that really stood out to me is

01:45:10 --> 01:45:14

it was the first time that it really came to my mind that my

01:45:14 --> 01:45:15

Lord is going to

01:45:17 --> 01:45:24

account for every penny that has touched my hands. Like, the little

01:45:24 --> 01:45:27

penny that's in the couch, or did you just always means nothing like

01:45:27 --> 01:45:30

every single ounce

01:45:31 --> 01:45:37

of Fiat resource that has touched your hand? He has a ledger for

01:45:38 --> 01:45:44

that's a huge responsibility. Every dime every penny, that's a

01:45:44 --> 01:45:46

huge responsibility.

01:45:47 --> 01:45:48

And

01:45:50 --> 01:45:52

there's a divine wisdom of why he gave it to me.

01:45:54 --> 01:45:57

But it just definitely, I just always wondered, why do women want

01:45:58 --> 01:46:00

that level of responsibility?

01:46:01 --> 01:46:04

We think about how much money just comes through your hands.

01:46:06 --> 01:46:11

It's the and I guess you're right. It's how it's framed. Right? In

01:46:11 --> 01:46:14

terms of it's not been so much about responsibility, it's about,

01:46:15 --> 01:46:16

I guess, power control.

01:46:18 --> 01:46:21

Yes, and maybe that's just been our interpretation and the story

01:46:21 --> 01:46:24

that we tell ourselves, you know, so sometimes, like, like we talked

01:46:24 --> 01:46:27

about yesterday, we look at our parents, and we look at previous

01:46:27 --> 01:46:32

generations, and we we frame their actions, you know, the men in my

01:46:32 --> 01:46:35

family had all the power, for example, the men in my family were

01:46:35 --> 01:46:41

controlling, for example, right. And while that could be true, it

01:46:41 --> 01:46:44

could also be something that you've not acknowledged, which was

01:46:44 --> 01:46:49

that my the men in my family took responsibility for the women and

01:46:49 --> 01:46:55

the children, the men in my family took care of all the x y Zed in

01:46:55 --> 01:46:59

our family, the men in our family had to deal with a, b, c, d, in

01:46:59 --> 01:47:04

order for us to be able to do X, Y, and Zed. And I think it's just

01:47:04 --> 01:47:10

helpful for both sexes, to be able to see the work of the other, and

01:47:10 --> 01:47:13

appreciate the work of each other and not envy the work of the other

01:47:13 --> 01:47:16

because Allah didn't give you that work, right, if needed, didn't

01:47:16 --> 01:47:21

give it to you. So another side point, I mentioned this to my wife

01:47:21 --> 01:47:23

the other day, and

01:47:26 --> 01:47:27

think

01:47:28 --> 01:47:33

I think this is an important point that sisters, especially those who

01:47:33 --> 01:47:34

are housewives,

01:47:37 --> 01:47:39

because it was a healthy jealousy of my wife,

01:47:40 --> 01:47:46

I came home and my daughter was doing something different. And she

01:47:46 --> 01:47:47

had made this like,

01:47:50 --> 01:47:55

my daughter made this kind of design for me, craft thing. And

01:47:55 --> 01:47:57

one of the things that I was saying to my wife was

01:48:00 --> 01:48:04

there's a blessing and being able to be the provider, and to go out

01:48:04 --> 01:48:06

and, and take care of your family.

01:48:08 --> 01:48:14

But one of the costs to that is, you miss out on those subtleties

01:48:14 --> 01:48:22

with your children. So I come home, and I receive the craft that

01:48:22 --> 01:48:24

was made for me, and I'm thankful Hamdulillah.

01:48:25 --> 01:48:31

But I miss the nuance and the experience of choosing the color.

01:48:32 --> 01:48:35

Why do you do you? Do you know why this color? Why this particular

01:48:35 --> 01:48:41

craft versus this one, and just the amazement of a child when they

01:48:41 --> 01:48:44

are constructing something and why they thought about this, versus

01:48:44 --> 01:48:51

that, that whole gap between the beginning of the product or the

01:48:51 --> 01:48:55

craft that she's thinking of making versus the end product.

01:48:56 --> 01:48:59

When you are out earning for your family, you miss that whole

01:48:59 --> 01:49:03

beautiful experience that happens? Right, and you only get the kind

01:49:03 --> 01:49:04

of talent

01:49:05 --> 01:49:09

and that's just a subtle blessing that sisters have those who are

01:49:09 --> 01:49:10

housewives

01:49:12 --> 01:49:15

that, you know, can be overlooked. Right?

01:49:17 --> 01:49:22

If, if you're not in the other shoes, right? Because, you know,

01:49:22 --> 01:49:27

for housewives, you know, they're there and they see it. Right, so

01:49:27 --> 01:49:31

they're in it. But for me who's outside have husbands that are

01:49:31 --> 01:49:34

outside of it and then come home and see kind of the end result

01:49:34 --> 01:49:38

we're appreciative of the end result, but then it kind of it can

01:49:38 --> 01:49:42

hit you that you know, you miss kind of the process. And the

01:49:42 --> 01:49:43

process is

01:49:44 --> 01:49:45

is that thing

01:49:46 --> 01:49:51

and I think that that's first of all shout out that's a really a

01:49:51 --> 01:49:54

really beautiful reflection Mashallah. But I think it's also

01:49:54 --> 01:49:58

something that a lot of fathers are aware of, that maybe mothers

01:49:58 --> 01:49:58

don't

01:50:00 --> 01:50:05

don't feel as keenly right that while the majority of the load of

01:50:05 --> 01:50:07

parenting is on the mother,

01:50:10 --> 01:50:15

she also gets more of the joy. I think she gets more joy. The the

01:50:15 --> 01:50:19

subtle changes, the little quirks, the getting to know the children

01:50:19 --> 01:50:23

on such a granular level, which of course is one of those blessings

01:50:23 --> 01:50:26

that we miss out on when we're in complaining mode, right? Why do I

01:50:26 --> 01:50:30

have to do this? Why am I always stuck with the kids? Oh, God, I

01:50:30 --> 01:50:34

hate that expression so much. It's such a sad expression. I'm here

01:50:34 --> 01:50:37

all day stuck with the kids. Wow.

01:50:38 --> 01:50:39

Wow.

01:50:42 --> 01:50:45

What about a very interesting question. Good.

01:50:48 --> 01:50:50

What about if you've had a child from a previous marriage where the

01:50:50 --> 01:50:53

dad is completely out of the picture? Does your new husband

01:50:53 --> 01:50:58

have the final say over the child? Even if it's not his biologically?

01:51:00 --> 01:51:05

Yeah, it's tough for us. What's the one? This is one of the

01:51:05 --> 01:51:10

reasons why some men are of the perspective that they would prefer

01:51:10 --> 01:51:13

a woman that doesn't have children.

01:51:16 --> 01:51:16

This issue right here?

01:51:18 --> 01:51:23

Because it's not an easy one. No, it's not an easy one at all. And I

01:51:23 --> 01:51:27

Okay, so let me throw my hat in the ring. Let me throw my hat in

01:51:27 --> 01:51:31

the ring and say what I think on this one, and I think that if a

01:51:31 --> 01:51:36

man has come in, as a father figure, early enough in the

01:51:36 --> 01:51:38

child's development,

01:51:39 --> 01:51:44

you have a chance, right? If he feels paternal towards that child,

01:51:44 --> 01:51:48

and he shows up in a paternal way, meaning that he takes

01:51:48 --> 01:51:53

responsibility, then I do think you have to once you've once

01:51:53 --> 01:51:55

again, again, it goes to your point about making sure that you

01:51:55 --> 01:52:00

vet correctly in the first instance, but also that you do

01:52:00 --> 01:52:05

give yourself time to acclimatized, right. So you don't

01:52:05 --> 01:52:09

meet him in month one. in month three, you do Nick, and he moves

01:52:09 --> 01:52:13

in with you and your kid, right. And then he's in charge, that for

01:52:13 --> 01:52:18

me is is a recipe for a lot of discomfort all round for the

01:52:18 --> 01:52:23

child, for the mother, and for the new man, right. So let's look at a

01:52:23 --> 01:52:27

scenario where in month one, you start talking, you do your

01:52:27 --> 01:52:32

vetting, and everything like that, and who do marry, you do Nikka and

01:52:32 --> 01:52:36

you have time of heart where he can get to know the child, you can

01:52:36 --> 01:52:39

vet him, you can get to know the child's understand how the child

01:52:39 --> 01:52:43

works, etc. The child becomes familiar with him. So by the time

01:52:43 --> 01:52:48

you are together in a family home, the child knows him and they've

01:52:48 --> 01:52:52

established some kind of relationship, and you also know

01:52:52 --> 01:52:55

him enough to trust him to make decisions for your child or your

01:52:55 --> 01:52:59

children. What do you think of that? No, I think that's I think

01:52:59 --> 01:53:02

that's, again, this is why I mentioned earlier to the system

01:53:02 --> 01:53:03

from

01:53:04 --> 01:53:09

before that I look, your marriage or your next marriage does not

01:53:09 --> 01:53:12

need to fit in the box of someone else.

01:53:13 --> 01:53:21

I firmly believe in making it Hello. Right? Get in the car. But

01:53:21 --> 01:53:26

give yourself time to really see if there is integrity. Yeah,

01:53:26 --> 01:53:28

before you introduce them to your kids. Yeah.

01:53:30 --> 01:53:32

Yeah, I agree. And I think it's one of the things that, you know,

01:53:32 --> 01:53:35

this issue with with polygamy, which we've discussed a lot,

01:53:35 --> 01:53:35

right?

01:53:37 --> 01:53:42

Is that at least one of the things that you can say, if we're going

01:53:42 --> 01:53:47

to make an argument for marrying a man who already has a family is

01:53:47 --> 01:53:51

that you know, a little bit at least, about him as a family man.

01:53:52 --> 01:53:58

Right? You know, to a certain extent, how he moves, how he looks

01:53:58 --> 01:54:01

after his family. And of course, no guarantees, guys, but nobody's

01:54:01 --> 01:54:05

out here offering guarantees, but you do have some kind of

01:54:05 --> 01:54:10

indication of how he is as a family, man, how he talks about

01:54:10 --> 01:54:14

his children, how involved he is, et cetera, et cetera, and have the

01:54:14 --> 01:54:21

discussion. I'm a big proponent, sisters, don't assume anything

01:54:21 --> 01:54:25

about the man who marries you when you have children. Don't make

01:54:25 --> 01:54:29

assumptions about how involved he's going to be, how much

01:54:29 --> 01:54:33

responsibility he wants to take how much time he wants with them.

01:54:33 --> 01:54:39

Don't make any assumptions. Ask him what his vision is. Ask him

01:54:39 --> 01:54:44

how he wants to play this. Ask him what he's prepared to put in what

01:54:44 --> 01:54:48

he wants out of it, and then make a decision based on that. Because

01:54:48 --> 01:54:52

I have an example of a sister who was talking with a brother and it

01:54:52 --> 01:54:55

was one of those where they were talking for a year. Okay, and he

01:54:55 --> 01:54:59

lived in another town and she had young children and she

01:55:00 --> 01:55:03

She was a sister who was not coping with her young children,

01:55:03 --> 01:55:07

like their behavior was really bad. The house was a mess, she was

01:55:07 --> 01:55:10

so overwhelmed, right? And,

01:55:11 --> 01:55:15

and this guy, obviously, she fell in love with him, right. And he

01:55:15 --> 01:55:19

was the one piece of joy that she had, right. So when they would

01:55:19 --> 01:55:23

have the conversations and all the rest of it, you know, it was this

01:55:23 --> 01:55:26

break from her really chaotic home life.

01:55:27 --> 01:55:32

But he said to her, I am not available to be a stepdad. That's

01:55:32 --> 01:55:37

not what I want. I want to come and see you a couple of weekends a

01:55:37 --> 01:55:40

month, we'll enjoy each other's company, and then I'm gonna go

01:55:40 --> 01:55:45

back to my town. And the thing is, because she liked him, she may

01:55:45 --> 01:55:49

even have loved him, she was willing to entertain that

01:55:49 --> 01:55:54

scenario, because she wanted to lock him in, lock him down. And my

01:55:54 --> 01:56:00

point was this, there is a complete mismatch between what he

01:56:00 --> 01:56:06

has to give and what you require, you need help. That's the bottom

01:56:06 --> 01:56:10

line, right? For better or for worse, right or wrong. You are not

01:56:10 --> 01:56:14

coping, you're not coping with these kids, you are under

01:56:14 --> 01:56:19

pressure, financially, mentally, physically, etc. So you cannot be

01:56:19 --> 01:56:24

some guys, we can flame. You don't have the bandwidth for that,

01:56:24 --> 01:56:28

right? Because it doesn't solve your main problem. The fact that

01:56:28 --> 01:56:31

he came down to see you on the weekend, and somehow you managed

01:56:31 --> 01:56:34

to find childcare to deal with the kids. While you know, you saw him,

01:56:34 --> 01:56:37

that doesn't solve your problem. And that for me, we had this

01:56:37 --> 01:56:41

conversation yesterday. That's the type of marriage that Organica

01:56:41 --> 01:56:45

that people will do out of desperation. They want to lock him

01:56:45 --> 01:56:49

in, they want the physical peace. So they agreed to a deal that

01:56:49 --> 01:56:53

ultimately is going to frustrate them because there is no way that

01:56:53 --> 01:56:57

that sister would marry that brother. And within a month or

01:56:57 --> 01:57:02

two, not start asking him for more. Not saying but you know

01:57:02 --> 01:57:05

what, I understand that we had this conversation, but I really

01:57:05 --> 01:57:08

need you know, can you come and meet my kids? Like she starts to

01:57:08 --> 01:57:11

try and put them together? You know, like, say, Oh, why don't we

01:57:11 --> 01:57:13

take the kids out with him. And he's like, Nabil, I didn't come

01:57:13 --> 01:57:15

here for that. And she's just like, you know, but my kids need a

01:57:15 --> 01:57:19

father figure. They still young, you know, and all of this stuff.

01:57:19 --> 01:57:20

And he's just like,

01:57:21 --> 01:57:25

we had this conversation. And I told you, I'm not available for

01:57:25 --> 01:57:30

that. So anyway, long story short, have the conversation beforehand,

01:57:30 --> 01:57:36

guys don't assume anything. And also, don't take it as a red flag.

01:57:37 --> 01:57:40

If a brother says I'm not going to be financially responsible for

01:57:40 --> 01:57:43

your kid, right? Because that's something that you see a lot

01:57:43 --> 01:57:45

online people saying, oh, you know,

01:57:47 --> 01:57:50

doesn't accept me and my kids is a package and all this kind of

01:57:50 --> 01:57:50

thing.

01:57:51 --> 01:57:56

I told you, I've said it before it's common. You sisters keep

01:57:56 --> 01:57:58

other sisters single.

01:57:59 --> 01:58:03

Because you will hear that phrase, and then looking at comments, all

01:58:03 --> 01:58:07

of the sisters chiming in gig or if he just if he doesn't take care

01:58:07 --> 01:58:11

of your kids, then he's not good enough for you. He doesn't deserve

01:58:11 --> 01:58:11

you.

01:58:14 --> 01:58:19

Yeah, yeah, I think if you marry if you

01:58:20 --> 01:58:25

if you find a man of resources, he he is going to be very meticulous

01:58:25 --> 01:58:29

about his resources. That doesn't mean he won't allocate funds to

01:58:29 --> 01:58:34

you, that you can then use for your kids. He may do that. But

01:58:34 --> 01:58:38

don't demand that he has to use his resources on kids that he

01:58:38 --> 01:58:41

didn't partake in creating.

01:58:44 --> 01:58:49

Well, this is the this is the uncomfortable, which another point

01:58:49 --> 01:58:52

to that example you gave earlier, because I wasn't on the live

01:58:52 --> 01:58:54

yesterday for that part.

01:58:55 --> 01:58:58

The only pushback that I would give that is it depends on what

01:58:58 --> 01:59:03

the sister has determined is the major issue. So when you sit down

01:59:03 --> 01:59:08

with a client, you ask them, you know, what is the issue you want

01:59:08 --> 01:59:09

to focus on today? Right.

01:59:11 --> 01:59:15

So they can have a laundry list of things that are challenging them,

01:59:15 --> 01:59:21

but they prioritize this and this to be the issue. And so I think we

01:59:21 --> 01:59:26

have to also give deference to sisters who are acknowledging that

01:59:27 --> 01:59:34

emotional connection and physical connection are my top priorities.

01:59:34 --> 01:59:40

Because if I don't have that, I'm going to solve that problem in a

01:59:40 --> 01:59:48

unhealthy haram way. My kids situation, situation, be real

01:59:48 --> 01:59:54

about that. Right? Because the kids in the home being a mess and

01:59:54 --> 01:59:59

the kids having, you know, challenging behaviors that can

01:59:59 --> 01:59:59

take

02:00:00 --> 02:00:04

years to fix that. Right? Change doesn't happen overnight,

02:00:04 --> 02:00:08

especially when you're trying to get rid of problematic behaviors

02:00:08 --> 02:00:12

and kids and in ourselves, right, it's not an overnight process. So

02:00:12 --> 02:00:16

that may take some time. And she may understand that, right?

02:00:16 --> 02:00:18

Because that may deal with some trauma from the previous marriage.

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So it just depends on what exactly as she identified as the major

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issue. The thing is, I might, if the thing is if that's my sister,

02:00:29 --> 02:00:33

right, and sisters talking to sisters, and her children are

02:00:33 --> 02:00:33

young,

02:00:35 --> 02:00:38

again, everybody's free to do what they want. And they'll answer to

02:00:38 --> 02:00:44

allow for that, right. And Allah help all of us. But I would have

02:00:44 --> 02:00:50

thought that strategically, you looking for a step daddy, that

02:00:50 --> 02:00:54

strategically, you're looking for a man who's prepared to pay start

02:00:54 --> 02:00:59

to play some kind of role in stabilizing your home environment.

02:00:59 --> 02:01:06

And my position is, if you believe in this period of time, that the

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most important thing for you is your physical or emotional as an

02:01:10 --> 02:01:15

older Auntie, I will say, okay, see how that works out for you.

02:01:15 --> 02:01:19

Because trust them believe in a few months time, you're going to

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be on that guy's case, because what he's giving you is not going

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to be enough.

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For example, how does that with the example that the system

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mentioned earlier in the chat, she got trust issues, but she also may

02:01:33 --> 02:01:38

have physical needs? No, no, no, no, no, no, no sisters like that.

02:01:38 --> 02:01:45

You know, no, I'm never, never never No way. No, no, no, you do

02:01:45 --> 02:01:52

not go into a contract and negotiate to deal with trauma. You

02:01:52 --> 02:01:55

can't do that. You go into a negotiated deal like that with

02:01:55 --> 02:02:00

trust issues and trauma owns like I said, see how it works out for

02:02:00 --> 02:02:03

you. Just because you got physical it didn't get there. I did not

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know.

02:02:05 --> 02:02:09

So how is it working for people that go into marriages without

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trust issues? It's not act like the divorce rate is you know, 1%

02:02:13 --> 02:02:14

in the Muslim community.

02:02:17 --> 02:02:22

Repeat please. I short circuited what? That's how good of a point

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it was. No, it's no point. It's Oh, hold on. Let me let me let me

02:02:27 --> 02:02:30

articulate this without you cutting me off. The male's

02:02:30 --> 02:02:33

perspective is the right perspective. Did you see the

02:02:33 --> 02:02:34

meaning?

02:02:35 --> 02:02:38

I'm sure everybody's paying a lot of attention. Yes. Carry on.

02:02:39 --> 02:02:43

As the most important part the male's perspective is this right

02:02:43 --> 02:02:46

what's what was the thing that you said? I didn't hear because I

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short circuited um, so no, I'm so against this so against this you

02:02:51 --> 02:02:55

know what I decided I'm gonna do you know, the the conversation we

02:02:55 --> 02:02:58

had yesterday, guys, Matty to Johnny, the creator of no strings.

02:02:58 --> 02:03:02

The cow was on the live stream yesterday. And today, I was

02:03:02 --> 02:03:05

thinking to myself, I'm going to snip the comp, that part of the

02:03:05 --> 02:03:08

conversation where we're talking about the rights and wrongs of it,

02:03:08 --> 02:03:12

and I'm going to release it with one of those click Beatty

02:03:13 --> 02:03:17

thumbnails, and I'm going to say name a B. Robert destroys no

02:03:17 --> 02:03:18

strings. No.

02:03:19 --> 02:03:21

big debate must watch.

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Yeah, it's good. I probably wasn't on the live at that time. Because,

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you know,

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you know, we, again, I will say this, and I've said it before,

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it's easy. It's easy for people to

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it's easy for people to come at me. It's easy for people to come

02:03:47 --> 02:03:52

at the service he's providing, the more difficult thing is to address

02:03:52 --> 02:03:55

the need in the community. Yeah, actually, what he said was, in the

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end, he didn't even he didn't even come and say much, to be honest.

02:04:00 --> 02:04:04

He said, it's a bad solution to a worst problem. Basically, he said,

02:04:04 --> 02:04:08

it's a bad solution to a worse problem. And the worst problem is

02:04:08 --> 02:04:14

the zenith. So this way of making those relationships halal, at

02:04:14 --> 02:04:17

least in you know, like the letter of the law, that's what he said.

02:04:18 --> 02:04:21

So there was nothing to argue it wasn't even a debate to be honest,

02:04:21 --> 02:04:23

guys, if you were there yesterday, you know, it wasn't really a

02:04:23 --> 02:04:26

debate wasn't even a debate at all. But I just thought for the

02:04:26 --> 02:04:26

views. Yeah.

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Yeah, I think that's that's the point. Again, I think we I think

02:04:31 --> 02:04:37

we have to acknowledge the natural need, and sisters, we acknowledge

02:04:37 --> 02:04:42

it for brothers, but we rarely acknowledge it for sisters, and to

02:04:42 --> 02:04:49

try to force a sister that's mature Voysey, late 30s, early 40s

02:04:49 --> 02:04:50

and older,

02:04:52 --> 02:04:56

to not have natural desires that for the past 20 years of her life

02:04:56 --> 02:04:59

was fulfilled by her husband, to try to act like we don't need to

02:04:59 --> 02:04:59

address

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That,

02:05:01 --> 02:05:06

I think or that she should just somehow be able to now magically

02:05:06 --> 02:05:10

*, ignore it. I just don't think that that's that's

02:05:11 --> 02:05:12

constructive.

02:05:13 --> 02:05:18

Let her be the adult, let her be the adult to make a decision that

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works for her.

02:05:20 --> 02:05:24

Because trauma, healing and trauma, you act like that's going

02:05:24 --> 02:05:26

to, that's going to be

02:05:27 --> 02:05:31

that she is going to heal from that. And three months, six

02:05:31 --> 02:05:37

months, a year, two years, that could be a 1015 year journey

02:05:37 --> 02:05:40

process. And in the meantime, what's happening a revolving door,

02:05:41 --> 02:05:46

like know that in the meantime, for some cases, again, for the

02:05:46 --> 02:05:49

masculine is that would like to take this and say that I'm

02:05:49 --> 02:05:55

articulating something different. For some, the bigger issue is, I

02:05:55 --> 02:05:59

want to make sure I secure my standing with my Lord, by not

02:05:59 --> 02:06:03

engaging in behaviors that I know, I'm going to have to be answering

02:06:03 --> 02:06:08

for. So that means I'm in a situation where this brother, and

02:06:08 --> 02:06:13

I get together a few times every two weeks, we may travel together.

02:06:13 --> 02:06:17

And that's pretty much it. And he calls and checks on me. And that's

02:06:17 --> 02:06:21

it. That's better than one engaging in the impermissible,

02:06:22 --> 02:06:24

which we know, sisters do.

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That's one and two, it allows for that physical discomfort to be

02:06:32 --> 02:06:37

addressed and alleviated. It allows for that box of I'm

02:06:37 --> 02:06:42

unlovable to have some evidence that I may be while you then do

02:06:42 --> 02:06:47

that deep work on changing those core unhelpful beliefs that were

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developed from the trauma.

02:06:50 --> 02:06:56

That's what this is for. That's what I'm saying. You got, I would

02:06:56 --> 02:06:59

suggest for some sisters, they need to alleviate some of the

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discomfort, some of the pressure, especially when they know they're

02:07:04 --> 02:07:06

going to fulfill that desire.

02:07:08 --> 02:07:08

If the guy

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and again, I lean in, turn and say the male's perspective is the

02:07:16 --> 02:07:21

right perspective, you are a male, you're not the male perspective,

02:07:21 --> 02:07:24

there are many men who do not share your perspective, if I may

02:07:24 --> 02:07:29

be so bold as to say, okay, and I think that the chat can definitely

02:07:29 --> 02:07:34

definitely attest to that. But like I said, if that's where we're

02:07:34 --> 02:07:40

at, that's where we're at. If it's a choice between Zina and making

02:07:40 --> 02:07:43

some kind of arrangement, then that's where you're at. But two

02:07:44 --> 02:07:47

more questions. Just single sisters. That's where they're at.

02:07:47 --> 02:07:51

on mass. I don't accept that. But see, this is this is the See, I've

02:07:51 --> 02:07:56

noticed something with you. After five minutes of a heated debate,

02:07:56 --> 02:08:00

you go this way. Because that's not an argument that I'm making.

02:08:00 --> 02:08:03

I'm not making the argument that all sisters on mass.

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But you just slid that in that's not what I'm saying. Yeah, because

02:08:08 --> 02:08:12

I don't, because we're taking exceptions or we're taking

02:08:12 --> 02:08:16

specific examples, right, and saying sisters, and I'm just

02:08:16 --> 02:08:22

saying, format fulfill for me, personally, I qualify. I said some

02:08:22 --> 02:08:25

sisters. Remember I made the point for the mescaline is out there.

02:08:25 --> 02:08:30

They're willing to you know, some sisters, not all sisters. Again,

02:08:31 --> 02:08:31

in

02:08:32 --> 02:08:35

the male's perspective is the right perspective.

02:08:36 --> 02:08:42

Right, moving on swiftly, shall we? Should we move some profiles?

02:08:44 --> 02:08:47

This is my question. I was gonna ask you, though. Would you agree,

02:08:47 --> 02:08:51

though, that we, in general, as a community,

02:08:53 --> 02:08:59

have this perception that a sister should be able to suppress her

02:08:59 --> 02:09:00

physical needs?

02:09:02 --> 02:09:04

Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

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Okay. And I think that I think, and I think that

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where, again, everybody, not everybody, we talk about the

02:09:15 --> 02:09:15

community

02:09:16 --> 02:09:20

as if it's some monolith, right, which it absolutely isn't, because

02:09:20 --> 02:09:24

people in different generations, different parts of the country,

02:09:24 --> 02:09:29

different cultural backgrounds, different work environments, etc.

02:09:29 --> 02:09:33

Everybody's experiencing things slightly differently. Right. So,

02:09:33 --> 02:09:34

you know, at the end of the day,

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the problem is this, while Allah subhanaw taala has, you know,

02:09:40 --> 02:09:42

created desire in men and women.

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Women cannot fulfill their desire in

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what I'm looking for,

02:09:53 --> 02:09:56

without bearing consequences, the way that men can.

02:09:58 --> 02:09:59

What do I mean by that? If we

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Look at the impact of male promiscuity on the male psyche,

02:10:06 --> 02:10:10

and female promiscuity on the female psyche. And how men go into

02:10:10 --> 02:10:14

relationships. They're often how women do. It's different, right?

02:10:14 --> 02:10:20

The woman in the sexual encounter, the woman is the receiver. Right?

02:10:20 --> 02:10:25

So typically, she's the one who's the risk of pregnancy, risk of

02:10:25 --> 02:10:29

STDs, everything is heightened for her. Right. That's why women put

02:10:29 --> 02:10:33

more of a value on their chastity. That's why men put more of a value

02:10:33 --> 02:10:36

on women's chastity than the other way around. Right? This is just

02:10:36 --> 02:10:41

one this is known. So my concern is, who knows what's going to

02:10:41 --> 02:10:45

happen in the future? Right. But my concern is that if we say,

02:10:46 --> 02:10:49

Yeah, women have desires, just like men have desires, therefore,

02:10:49 --> 02:10:52

we know we should be okay with the sisters having like a, like a side

02:10:52 --> 02:10:55

piece, just like how we understand the brothers might need a second

02:10:55 --> 02:11:00

wife, right, for example, right? My concern is that those

02:11:00 --> 02:11:05

relationships that are kind of negotiated, my one of my concerns

02:11:05 --> 02:11:08

is that they will not last, okay, that the majority of them are not

02:11:08 --> 02:11:12

lost. And even brother Matthew himself said that on a huger much

02:11:12 --> 02:11:14

bigger platform than mine, which he does not expect these

02:11:14 --> 02:11:18

relationships to last, mainly because they're there to fulfill

02:11:18 --> 02:11:21

the need. And once that need has dissipated, and has been eased,

02:11:21 --> 02:11:25

somewhat, other issues come and those issues are not resolvable.

02:11:25 --> 02:11:30

That's the problem. It's baked into the contract that this is

02:11:30 --> 02:11:33

short, not short term, but this is like earlier, this is something

02:11:33 --> 02:11:38

light, this is something fun, right? Once it stops being fun,

02:11:38 --> 02:11:41

it's no longer viable. Once it starts becoming heavy, it's no

02:11:41 --> 02:11:45

longer viable. If that sister falls pregnant, relationships not

02:11:45 --> 02:11:48

viable. If she starts to have feelings and want more from him.

02:11:48 --> 02:11:54

It's no longer viable. So my thing is, yes, you may avoid an

02:11:54 --> 02:11:59

immediate consequence. Because if you are about to commit Zina, then

02:11:59 --> 02:12:03

that's where you're at, right. But my concern is not the short term,

02:12:03 --> 02:12:06

it's the longer term view. But at the end of the day,

02:12:07 --> 02:12:11

when renting home and guarding the private parts, that takes

02:12:11 --> 02:12:14

precedence certainly takes precedence over what I think so

02:12:14 --> 02:12:14

hey.

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And that's just for clarity, that's essentially my point, says,

02:12:20 --> 02:12:25

if you can handle it, if you can handle your desires, and not

02:12:25 --> 02:12:30

engage in the Haram, then this is not for you. But if you are self

02:12:30 --> 02:12:35

aware to enough to know that you cannot, and the reason why you

02:12:35 --> 02:12:38

know that you can't, is because you look at the behaviors you're

02:12:38 --> 02:12:43

consistently doing post divorce, then that tells you this is a

02:12:43 --> 02:12:48

problematic area for you. So then it's best for you, if you can't

02:12:48 --> 02:12:48

control it,

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to make it permissible. That's the point for me. And I just, I think

02:12:56 --> 02:12:56

that

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we have this kind of perception for sisters, that one, they don't

02:13:02 --> 02:13:06

have a desire and two, that they should be able to

02:13:09 --> 02:13:15

suppress it, for lack of better words. And I'm okay with saying

02:13:15 --> 02:13:18

majority can, but there are some who struggle with that.

02:13:19 --> 02:13:21

Right? And if they struggle with that,

02:13:22 --> 02:13:24

you know, if they choose this type of

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well, at the end of the day, you know, there's levels to this,

02:13:29 --> 02:13:33

right. So if you are at that stage, then you know, the lesser

02:13:33 --> 02:13:35

of two evils we all know this is this is

02:13:37 --> 02:13:41

the shadow right? One of the point with that is like the reality is

02:13:41 --> 02:13:45

also once you get on your second marriage, third, the likelihood of

02:13:45 --> 02:13:49

divorce increases. Right? But what's the answer to that though?

02:13:49 --> 02:13:52

Because that for me, I'll be I'm so sorry to just jump in there.

02:13:52 --> 02:13:55

But that for me feels so

02:13:57 --> 02:14:01

almost nihilistic, right? Because you know what it reminds me of,

02:14:01 --> 02:14:05

and again, maybe I'm going to, I could be, I could be taking your

02:14:05 --> 02:14:08

point and running away with it completely. But if that is the

02:14:08 --> 02:14:12

case, which it is, it's a fact, right? We know factually data,

02:14:12 --> 02:14:16

since the data tells us that after your first marriage dissolves your

02:14:17 --> 02:14:19

chances of you divorcing after your second firm, it just

02:14:19 --> 02:14:26

increases as you skyrocket. So, skyrockets also skyrockets, your,

02:14:26 --> 02:14:30

if you have had multiple partners, right? If you've had more than one

02:14:30 --> 02:14:34

partner, again, your ability to be satisfied in a marriage goes down

02:14:34 --> 02:14:38

by 50% all kinds of these this data, right? But my problem with

02:14:38 --> 02:14:39

that is

02:14:40 --> 02:14:46

so saying on your third marriage, does that mean now that what

02:14:46 --> 02:14:50

you're looking at is a revolving door and you just need to be at

02:14:50 --> 02:14:53

peace with that? Because what is what is it that we're actually

02:14:53 --> 02:14:56

saying here? We know that there is a possibility of you know, of

02:14:56 --> 02:14:59

divorce and it gets higher. So Does that not mean that we should

02:14:59 --> 02:14:59

be evil

02:15:00 --> 02:15:04

more discerning, and even more careful, and restraining ourselves

02:15:04 --> 02:15:08

more. Because if I that's that's that for me, it's like chop logic.

02:15:08 --> 02:15:10

Because if we're saying, well, once you've been divorced three

02:15:10 --> 02:15:14

times, it doesn't make a difference three 710. That's what

02:15:14 --> 02:15:15

that's what's down.

02:15:16 --> 02:15:20

No one's saying that. But I was making I was making that point of

02:15:21 --> 02:15:24

you said that must be made the point that he knows that these

02:15:24 --> 02:15:27

marriages probably won't last right? You're going to end a

02:15:27 --> 02:15:31

divorce. And my point is, even if you go in, in the most ideal

02:15:31 --> 02:15:35

situation, on your second or third marriage, the numbers are already

02:15:35 --> 02:15:38

there, that it's a high likely that it won't last in that

02:15:38 --> 02:15:42

category as well. So my point is just to say,

02:15:43 --> 02:15:45

this is harm reduction. Period.

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Right. And, and I think and again, when I say harm reduction, what I

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mean is sisters that are self aware enough to know that they

02:15:55 --> 02:15:59

struggle with things stand and allow way when they're in a

02:15:59 --> 02:16:00

relationship.

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And that's prevalent in our community.

02:16:05 --> 02:16:10

Like that's not what's prevalent promiscuity Xin us.

02:16:12 --> 02:16:16

Oh, well, you lost me there mate. prevalent in our community. Let's

02:16:16 --> 02:16:20

be clear what we're talking about here because I don't you can't say

02:16:20 --> 02:16:24

that. Zina is prevalent in the Muslim community, who are we

02:16:24 --> 02:16:25

talking about?

02:16:26 --> 02:16:27

Which community?

02:16:29 --> 02:16:29

Opening

02:16:31 --> 02:16:36

in the general in the general and right, obviously, this is very

02:16:36 --> 02:16:36

broad.

02:16:39 --> 02:16:44

Brothers and sisters are dating and being physically intimate.

02:16:48 --> 02:16:51

Am I? Okay, so.

02:16:52 --> 02:16:57

So, from the work that I do, that's my experience, and that's

02:16:57 --> 02:16:58

what I know.

02:17:01 --> 02:17:05

And I work as you know, Georgia sisters, this is our dating.

02:17:06 --> 02:17:10

They're being intimate before marriage. No, we have to stop with

02:17:10 --> 02:17:16

this sisters are doing this. I have to I have to put you. Okay.

02:17:16 --> 02:17:20

Okay. So let me put this right here and let this stand the test

02:17:20 --> 02:17:23

of time. Because I've said it before, but I'll put it here sort

02:17:23 --> 02:17:29

of moving forward. When I say sisters, I don't mean 100%.

02:17:30 --> 02:17:34

Okay. I mean that there are some sisters that are engaging in this.

02:17:34 --> 02:17:38

This doesn't mean all. And so you see, when you use the word

02:17:38 --> 02:17:43

sisters, let me hear. Let me tell you what I hear. And I suspect it

02:17:43 --> 02:17:47

might be the same for for the for the audience on the platform,

02:17:47 --> 02:17:54

right. We think of systems as practicing Muslim women, not just

02:17:54 --> 02:17:57

Muslim women everywhere around the whole wide world. Okay. Okay.

02:17:57 --> 02:17:59

Well, that you see, that's an important distinction. That's an

02:17:59 --> 02:18:02

important distinction. I'm glad we have a discussion. Because I don't

02:18:03 --> 02:18:08

for me, Sisters is very fundamental. You believe in Allah

02:18:08 --> 02:18:14

and His messenger. Once you check off that box for me, you are a

02:18:14 --> 02:18:20

Muslim, and I consider you a sister. Right. I don't distinguish

02:18:20 --> 02:18:27

between the level of practice once I do, yeah, yeah, no, I do. And I

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think we're talking demographically we have to,

02:18:30 --> 02:18:34

because the behaviors are different. The behaviors of Muslim

02:18:34 --> 02:18:38

men who don't pray and who drink alcohol and go to clubs is not the

02:18:38 --> 02:18:41

same standard of behavior as brothers who pray and are in the

02:18:41 --> 02:18:44

masjid and don't touch alcohol. Their behaviors are different.

02:18:44 --> 02:18:46

They may share certain

02:18:47 --> 02:18:54

devices, but levels is level two. This is a woman who is mixing has

02:18:54 --> 02:18:57

boyfriends drinks, shisha, and she's sleeping. She's having

02:18:57 --> 02:19:02

relations outside of marriage. You can't compare her to a practicing

02:19:02 --> 02:19:05

sister who's a single mom trying to get married on was much. You

02:19:05 --> 02:19:08

can't put them on in the same in the same boat. No. So maybe I'm

02:19:08 --> 02:19:13

wrong. Yeah, I'm living in cloud cuckoo land. So it's not about

02:19:13 --> 02:19:17

comparing. It's about talking about a

02:19:18 --> 02:19:23

medium that's been created to address a need for that segment of

02:19:23 --> 02:19:27

the community. But those people don't need this medium. They can

02:19:27 --> 02:19:32

go on Tinder and do what they want to do. The people who don't care

02:19:32 --> 02:19:32

about

02:19:34 --> 02:19:38

I don't think that they don't not make for them. I don't think so. I

02:19:38 --> 02:19:42

don't think that they don't care. The fact that they would go into

02:19:42 --> 02:19:47

this shows an indication that they do care. So that's my point. Is

02:19:47 --> 02:19:55

this the afternoon because they care. I again, I believe what my

02:19:55 --> 02:19:59

dad is doing is he's providing a medium for those

02:20:00 --> 02:20:06

Those that do care. Agreed. My point is when you say sisters, and

02:20:06 --> 02:20:10

you count all Muslims, regardless of level of practice, there are

02:20:10 --> 02:20:14

people who don't care about halal and haram, of which there are many

02:20:14 --> 02:20:17

in the Muslim world in the Muslim community everywhere. They are for

02:20:17 --> 02:20:21

me, not part of this discussion, because they go on Tinder, they go

02:20:21 --> 02:20:24

on hookups, they do whatever they want to do, they're not going to

02:20:24 --> 02:20:27

go on this app, because they don't care about this particular thing.

02:20:27 --> 02:20:31

This app is actually for people who have some level of practicing

02:20:31 --> 02:20:36

right, and to say that these people who have some level of fear

02:20:36 --> 02:20:39

of Allah and whatever degree or having Zina or like committing

02:20:39 --> 02:20:44

Zina, and like having boyfriends and sleeping for marriage, I need

02:20:44 --> 02:20:47

I need data mine someone really some data because I can't see it.

02:20:47 --> 02:20:53

But I could be wrong. I'm happy to be wrong, but I'm not all Muslims

02:20:53 --> 02:20:55

in one box. We can't

02:20:57 --> 02:21:03

hold on. So just for clarity. Are you saying that sisters who pray

02:21:03 --> 02:21:04

and fast

02:21:07 --> 02:21:09

aren't dating? No, there are some who do.

02:21:11 --> 02:21:16

So that contradicts what you're saying? No, because, again, when

02:21:16 --> 02:21:20

you say that you don't make a distinction between practicing non

02:21:20 --> 02:21:23

practicing praying, I'm praying Khaled hijab, that and they're all

02:21:23 --> 02:21:26

sisters. What I'm saying is for the benefit of people on this

02:21:26 --> 02:21:32

stream. When I say sisters, I'm not talking about women who don't

02:21:32 --> 02:21:36

practice Islam at all, because they live by different rules,

02:21:36 --> 02:21:39

right? With a litmus test. This is where I think it gets problematic

02:21:39 --> 02:21:42

when we do that. What's the sound to them? It's down to them. The

02:21:42 --> 02:21:47

litmus test is them if they can, if they care about halal and

02:21:47 --> 02:21:51

haram. Even if it's just in here, then that they're in it. They're

02:21:51 --> 02:21:53

already in a different level. But a lot of people don't even think

02:21:53 --> 02:21:57

about that. It doesn't live their lives. They just live their lives.

02:21:57 --> 02:22:00

What Allah says doesn't mean anything. So for me, I can't come

02:22:01 --> 02:22:04

in amongst when I'm talking about sisters because you're not sisters

02:22:04 --> 02:22:07

like that sisters behave differently. sisters do things

02:22:07 --> 02:22:10

differently. Do they do haram things? Yes, they do. But they

02:22:10 --> 02:22:11

still in a different category.

02:22:13 --> 02:22:18

Okay, so again, my point is this, if a sister does not wear hijab,

02:22:19 --> 02:22:22

maybe prays, you know,

02:22:23 --> 02:22:24

once every two months

02:22:26 --> 02:22:30

where his provocative clothing but believes in Allah and His

02:22:30 --> 02:22:36

Messenger, and hates the fact that she's in a haram relationship. If

02:22:36 --> 02:22:36

she assisted

02:22:38 --> 02:22:40

if she hates the fact she's in a haram relationship, then of course

02:22:40 --> 02:22:43

she can go on the app. And she was always she needs to do but if she

02:22:43 --> 02:22:44

doesn't care

02:22:46 --> 02:22:49

you make an amount because you're making up

02:22:50 --> 02:22:56

No, no, no you are making for everyone in the chat. This has

02:22:56 --> 02:23:03

been a perfect example of how a woman can make a mountain out of a

02:23:03 --> 02:23:07

molehill no it's not a mountain I will die on this mountain I will

02:23:07 --> 02:23:07

die

02:23:08 --> 02:23:10

like it's like it's been alive.

02:23:12 --> 02:23:15

I know you will die from this bone. And I'm gonna be firm on

02:23:15 --> 02:23:19

this mountain over here which is you just proved my point. What I'm

02:23:19 --> 02:23:24

seeing in terms of Sisters is sisters that may have a bare

02:23:24 --> 02:23:30

minimum level of practice and or may have no practice but they have

02:23:30 --> 02:23:35

a belief in Allah and His messenger and they despise or

02:23:35 --> 02:23:40

dislike the fact that they are engaged in the Haram. So what

02:23:40 --> 02:23:46

Murthy has provided is a means it may not be the best means I can

02:23:46 --> 02:23:52

agree with that. But it is a means for them to take a step out of to

02:23:52 --> 02:23:57

alleviate that discomfort that they experience by engaging in the

02:23:57 --> 02:24:04

huddle and my point is is easy as I so for one they're sisters to me

02:24:05 --> 02:24:10

to everybody be aware that when brother NASA says sisters are

02:24:10 --> 02:24:14

doing this and sisters are doing that that is his definition of

02:24:14 --> 02:24:19

sisters not what we in London on the UK term systems because we

02:24:19 --> 02:24:22

know what we mean when we say brothers and sisters and it's not

02:24:22 --> 02:24:25

just the Muslims everywhere and I could be wrong guys but for me

02:24:26 --> 02:24:26

yeah

02:24:28 --> 02:24:32

so maybe maybe I'm colored by my work right so as a coach that

02:24:32 --> 02:24:39

works with with sisters I my for me that's the barometer you

02:24:39 --> 02:24:44

believe in Allah and His Messenger Hollis. That's it. Right like so I

02:24:44 --> 02:24:49

work with sisters from that cover the continuum. And so for me, I

02:24:49 --> 02:24:53

know that that is an element out there. This is the literally what

02:24:53 --> 02:24:58

we would define as habitual practice prayer, fasting, these

02:24:58 --> 02:24:59

type of things that

02:25:00 --> 02:25:04

They may not be consistent with that at all. But they despise and

02:25:04 --> 02:25:08

they acknowledge the fact that they should not be and haram

02:25:08 --> 02:25:13

relationships, and thus this service. And I would suggest to

02:25:13 --> 02:25:15

you, you've also proven my point

02:25:17 --> 02:25:20

that that element of the community,

02:25:21 --> 02:25:26

we don't service. No, we don't. Right. And we should, why?

02:25:28 --> 02:25:33

Because ideally, what we want is we want to bring them into that

02:25:33 --> 02:25:39

category that you say our sisters. So if this category here for me,

02:25:39 --> 02:25:43

is sisters, and yours is over here, eventually, yes, my own

02:25:43 --> 02:25:47

biases, I would desire and want for them to come into your

02:25:47 --> 02:25:51

category. One of the ways that we can get them into your category is

02:25:51 --> 02:25:54

to alleviate some of the discomfort in their life.

02:25:56 --> 02:26:00

And I'm not saying that they have to engage in a no strings. I'm

02:26:00 --> 02:26:04

just saying that's better than what they're engaging in right

02:26:04 --> 02:26:11

now. Maybe, yes. And maybe by alleviating that discomfort that I

02:26:11 --> 02:26:16

have, because I know I'm engaged in something that's a major sin,

02:26:17 --> 02:26:21

that I'm displeasing my lord. By alleviating that discomfort, it

02:26:21 --> 02:26:26

may create the space for me to work on other things that are

02:26:26 --> 02:26:30

causing discomfort in my life. That's the mindset that I use when

02:26:30 --> 02:26:32

I work with sisters in this category.

02:26:33 --> 02:26:34

Right?

02:26:35 --> 02:26:42

Hence, pull them over. So with all of that said, again, lean in, lean

02:26:42 --> 02:26:47

in the male's perspective is the right perspective. Perspective is

02:26:47 --> 02:26:53

your perspective. And just as, just as the comment says, As I

02:26:53 --> 02:26:56

leaned in and said, the mental perspective as the best

02:26:56 --> 02:27:00

perspective, you saw what was there? You saw when

02:27:01 --> 02:27:05

you changed it. I saw it and everyone saw it. And I think

02:27:05 --> 02:27:08

you're both saying the same thing. Gnosis we not saying the same

02:27:08 --> 02:27:10

thing, but I'm not going to be a combative woman. We're going to

02:27:10 --> 02:27:14

move on to the profiles. Okay. Hello, us. I said my piece, I said

02:27:14 --> 02:27:18

what I said, and I change it. Okay, so that's that, right? Let

02:27:18 --> 02:27:21

me see if I can bring this up in sha Allah. So what's the name?

02:27:21 --> 02:27:23

What's the name of your mountain you standing on?

02:27:24 --> 02:27:27

We gotta get a name for that. Because there's gonna be times in

02:27:27 --> 02:27:30

his show where you stand on a mountain, you willing to stand on

02:27:30 --> 02:27:34

a mountain that you know, is complete? It's very rare, but it

02:27:34 --> 02:27:35

has to be done at some point.

02:27:36 --> 02:27:39

I just I find it. I just it makes me I'll be honest, it makes me

02:27:39 --> 02:27:44

profoundly uncomfortable. It makes me profoundly uncomfortable. Yeah.

02:27:45 --> 02:27:48

And there's a look, okay. I mean, we have different roles. You don't

02:27:48 --> 02:27:53

I mean, like, I literally am a coach. So a counselor. So this is

02:27:53 --> 02:27:57

this is I have to be comfortable with that.

02:27:59 --> 02:28:04

Today, I'm getting told All right, go ahead. Go ahead. Surely they

02:28:04 --> 02:28:08

can't be in a different category. Because when it comes down to it,

02:28:08 --> 02:28:11

the viewpoint you're bringing Nyima is more so from an emotional

02:28:11 --> 02:28:16

point. But you're saying the same thing. He's saying no, since I am

02:28:16 --> 02:28:22

not being emotional. Thank you very much. No, no, it is not that

02:28:22 --> 02:28:25

it is that these are different demographics, no matter whether

02:28:25 --> 02:28:28

they named Aisha Fraser or whatever they are different

02:28:28 --> 02:28:31

demographics that have different behaviors. And

02:28:33 --> 02:28:37

what's the name of that mountain? They are not the same. How's that?

02:28:39 --> 02:28:44

Oh, gosh, listen to this a panel. I am so so sorry. I'm not sure

02:28:44 --> 02:28:48

whether I'm not sure whether this is true. No, no, hold on. Just a

02:28:48 --> 02:28:50

name is a prime example of someone who's able to disagree in a

02:28:50 --> 02:28:53

respectful way. Men don't mind disagreeing. They just hate

02:28:53 --> 02:28:58

disagreeable. I don't know about that. K 12. I don't know about

02:28:58 --> 02:29:04

that. Because if I get to niqab tugging, it's gonna get loud. So,

02:29:05 --> 02:29:11

my, my, my apologies for that, but much. Okay, that's a good point.

02:29:11 --> 02:29:15

And I think I think what has was demonstrated here is how we can

02:29:15 --> 02:29:19

disagree, and a respectful way and tone and diction. Right.

02:29:21 --> 02:29:21

Because we definitely

02:29:23 --> 02:29:25

wasn't respectful in tone and diction.

02:29:26 --> 02:29:31

I didn't, I didn't feel as though. You know, there was any

02:29:31 --> 02:29:34

disrespect. So no, I think that was a good example of

02:29:35 --> 02:29:36

disagreement.

02:29:37 --> 02:29:40

And then and then ending with the reality of

02:29:42 --> 02:29:44

the male perspective is the right perspective.

02:29:45 --> 02:29:47

Let's keep this

02:29:50 --> 02:29:54

I have the internet last for us and doesn't do us any nonsense.

02:29:54 --> 02:29:57

Let me know if you can see my screen.

02:29:59 --> 02:30:00

Looks like we're chugging.

02:30:00 --> 02:30:08

In a bit, right. Can you see the screen? I can I can. Okay, this

02:30:09 --> 02:30:12

is going to do this. Okay? No, no, no, no, that's not what I want.

02:30:13 --> 02:30:15

Alright guys, we want to bring up our

02:30:17 --> 02:30:22

some of our profiles that we have. And yeah, that was an the moving

02:30:22 --> 02:30:24

image and we don't want that we don't want to move the image at

02:30:24 --> 02:30:27

all. So bear with me a second while I set that up. i Brother, do

02:30:27 --> 02:30:29

you want to highlight some? Do you want to give some announcements

02:30:29 --> 02:30:33

actually talk to people about the YouTube channel about buying

02:30:33 --> 02:30:37

coffees for people? Yeah, let's get people active. Yeah, and make

02:30:37 --> 02:30:39

sure that you liked the video guys if you liked the video.

02:30:42 --> 02:30:46

So So one of the things that you'll see scrolling at the bottom

02:30:46 --> 02:30:52

is you can contribute to both Sr, Nyima and AI by buying us a cup of

02:30:52 --> 02:30:57

coffee, that would be greatly appreciated. To liking and

02:30:57 --> 02:31:02

subscribing to both of our channels. A brother is under 1000

02:31:02 --> 02:31:07

likes, so I would appreciate it. I'm sorry, 1000 subscribers, so I

02:31:07 --> 02:31:11

would appreciate it. If you go over to my channel, which conveys

02:31:11 --> 02:31:14

the right perspective, which is the male perspective and subscribe

02:31:14 --> 02:31:16

to that to my channel.

02:31:18 --> 02:31:22

No, no, no, no, no, no. I love this. Yeah, I think he's been

02:31:22 --> 02:31:28

around long enough. And he knows the game. Right? So yeah. This is

02:31:28 --> 02:31:30

what I this brother is doing to me.

02:31:31 --> 02:31:32

This brothers owing to me,

02:31:34 --> 02:31:38

guys, but listen, if he's given you some joke today, or any Okay,

02:31:38 --> 02:31:41

either joke or benefit or you've agreed with his position or

02:31:41 --> 02:31:45

anything. Please do buy him a coffee. It's a very cool website,

02:31:45 --> 02:31:50

simply called buy me a coffee.com/nasir Amin and you can

02:31:50 --> 02:31:53

buy him a coffee. And you can buy me one too because I also have a

02:31:53 --> 02:31:58

coffee buying have coffee buying potential. So you can buy me a

02:31:58 --> 02:32:02

coffee too if you've benefited from any of the work that we've

02:32:02 --> 02:32:05

done. And if you've enjoyed the stream, we're not doing too badly

02:32:05 --> 02:32:09

for views. Mashallah. So if you haven't joined it, go to buy me a

02:32:09 --> 02:32:13

coffee.com/masala mean for him. And I interviewed Robert for me,

02:32:14 --> 02:32:17

and you can buy us a coffee. Mine was a latte. Brother, what's

02:32:17 --> 02:32:17

yours?

02:32:19 --> 02:32:20

Um,

02:32:21 --> 02:32:24

um, yeah, Latte. Latte.

02:32:26 --> 02:32:28

Yeah, whatever, whatever you want to.

02:32:29 --> 02:32:34

To purchase for brother would be appreciated. Just make sure you

02:32:34 --> 02:32:39

leave a note saying that. I appreciate your perspective, which

02:32:39 --> 02:32:40

was the right perspective.

02:32:41 --> 02:32:43

Yeah, if you carry on like that, you're going to cut down on the

02:32:43 --> 02:32:47

coffee's there won't be as many coffees coming in, you know, make

02:32:47 --> 02:32:51

people if you're policing the speech, right. Okay.

02:32:53 --> 02:32:57

All right. So okay. Oh, okay. This is a brother. I think it could be

02:32:57 --> 02:33:01

a sister. I'm not sure. But they have a perspective which I agree.

02:33:04 --> 02:33:08

Yeah, who knows? We need data guys. Most Muslims period are not

02:33:08 --> 02:33:14

convenient. I look No. So I don't think that it's most I'm not

02:33:14 --> 02:33:17

saying that it's most what I am saying is that there is a

02:33:17 --> 02:33:21

significant enough of a community of brothers and sisters that are

02:33:21 --> 02:33:26

committed Zina. And for me as long as they believe in Allah and His

02:33:26 --> 02:33:29

Messenger they fall into the category of a brother and a

02:33:29 --> 02:33:29

sister.

02:33:32 --> 02:33:32

That's it

02:33:34 --> 02:33:34

for me

02:33:39 --> 02:33:40

going with the

02:33:41 --> 02:33:42

keep going with me.

02:33:44 --> 02:33:46

Look, brother

02:33:48 --> 02:33:52

this is rather leaning in doesn't make your point heard louder

02:33:52 --> 02:33:57

voices denying me he's not trying to get me to the point. Write me a

02:33:58 --> 02:34:00

book with a feather so I just give me a little extra thing to kind of

02:34:00 --> 02:34:03

you know, to know you poke it Yeah.

02:34:05 --> 02:34:08

You know how these brothers or sisters you already know. You

02:34:08 --> 02:34:12

already know what it is. Okay, so I've put the links to the buy me a

02:34:12 --> 02:34:16

coffee in the chat guys. And while I'm here I am trying my best to

02:34:16 --> 02:34:19

bring up the slides but my computer is just chugging right

02:34:19 --> 02:34:22

now and I think is we made beautiful

02:34:23 --> 02:34:25

made beautiful slides as well for so nice.

02:34:27 --> 02:34:29

I'm just trying to figure out how I can bring them up my apologies

02:34:29 --> 02:34:29

guys.

02:34:31 --> 02:34:35

Okay, right. Let's carry on with the conversation while I set up

02:34:35 --> 02:34:41

the slides for the profiles guys. These profiles are brothers that

02:34:41 --> 02:34:47

have come into brother naseous soft life matchmaking service.

02:34:47 --> 02:34:52

Okay. Brother Nasir Gianna. Just tell them about the vetting

02:34:52 --> 02:34:58

process and what kind of brothers profiles we are sharing, and also

02:34:58 --> 02:34:59

kind of what

02:35:00 --> 02:35:03

Yeah, what we're kind of looking for with this with this new

02:35:03 --> 02:35:08

services Sharla Yeah, and if you want what I can do is I can just

02:35:08 --> 02:35:10

start telling them about one of the profiles

02:35:12 --> 02:35:12

right

02:35:14 --> 02:35:16

I'll pull it up myself

02:35:21 --> 02:35:22

we go

02:35:24 --> 02:35:27

so one of the profiles

02:35:29 --> 02:35:33

is a brother that is apologies.

02:35:40 --> 02:35:42

Brother that is 34

02:35:43 --> 02:35:50

based in the UK works as a data scientists data consultant,

02:35:51 --> 02:35:53

sisters, six foot

02:35:56 --> 02:35:58

I know for some of you that's a requirement

02:35:59 --> 02:36:01

atheletic Bill British

02:36:02 --> 02:36:06

Notting Hill London. Did I pronounce that right? Notting

02:36:06 --> 02:36:08

Hill? Is that right? Next step.

02:36:11 --> 02:36:14

Okay, you can appreciate it. Later languages.

02:36:15 --> 02:36:16

speaks Arabic.

02:36:19 --> 02:36:23

German, English, French and Somali

02:36:24 --> 02:36:28

has a master's in management,

02:36:30 --> 02:36:35

machine learning and data science, a BA in economics and Middle

02:36:35 --> 02:36:36

Eastern studies.

02:36:38 --> 02:36:39

In terms of

02:36:41 --> 02:36:44

SEC, he's Sunni follows the Shafi method.

02:36:45 --> 02:36:48

practicing, practicing.

02:36:51 --> 02:36:53

Completed hard three times.

02:36:54 --> 02:36:56

Hobbies Brazilian jujitsu

02:36:58 --> 02:36:59

in terms of interests,

02:37:00 --> 02:37:03

someone who prays regularly has a good relationship with their

02:37:03 --> 02:37:05

parents. Where is he jet?

02:37:08 --> 02:37:11

And he's looking for someone who is

02:37:12 --> 02:37:17

slim or introvert in between the ages of 21 and 25.

02:37:18 --> 02:37:22

And he's aiming to relocate to Abu Dhabi next year.

02:37:25 --> 02:37:30

Yes, so and in terms of what he's looking for? Characteristics that

02:37:30 --> 02:37:33

he's looking for. So sisters, and brothers. Let's take this

02:37:33 --> 02:37:37

seriously. Right, because these are brothers. Have they paid for

02:37:37 --> 02:37:41

the service for the Nasir? Yes. Okay. So these are brothers who've

02:37:41 --> 02:37:46

paid for the service, who've been through a vetting process, and

02:37:46 --> 02:37:48

have obviously shared what they're looking for. So these are, these

02:37:48 --> 02:37:50

are brothers who are serious. So

02:37:51 --> 02:37:56

for brothers and sisters out there who knows somebody who fits the

02:37:56 --> 02:37:59

description so far, 21 to 25, it could be you, it could be your

02:37:59 --> 02:38:03

younger sister, it could be your cousin, whoever. He's looking for

02:38:04 --> 02:38:08

a sister who is humble, and with reasonable expectations of what a

02:38:08 --> 02:38:13

marriage is. And the kind of relationship and marriage that he

02:38:13 --> 02:38:18

wants is a supportive one. Pay attention to this supportive one.

02:38:18 --> 02:38:22

And he says a man's home should be where he finds comfort after the

02:38:22 --> 02:38:26

struggles of the working world. And I think this is something that

02:38:26 --> 02:38:31

we have seen time and time again, especially with hard working men.

02:38:32 --> 02:38:35

Right? Would you agree hard working men in general,

02:38:35 --> 02:38:39

hardworking, driven ambitious men, even if they're not ambitious?

02:38:39 --> 02:38:44

They're just hard working. They want to come home to peace. So

02:38:44 --> 02:38:46

maybe you could be this brothers peace.

02:38:48 --> 02:38:49

What else do you think we should let the people know?

02:38:51 --> 02:38:53

Look, so for me,

02:38:55 --> 02:38:58

one of the things that I tell brothers in this particular

02:38:58 --> 02:38:59

brother

02:39:01 --> 02:39:02

because I've known this brother for some time.

02:39:04 --> 02:39:07

One of the things that I encourage brothers to do is is provider

02:39:07 --> 02:39:10

development. Always spend your time when you're not married,

02:39:11 --> 02:39:16

working on new skill sets to be a provider. And what I appreciate

02:39:16 --> 02:39:19

about this brother is that's what he has done.

02:39:21 --> 02:39:24

A number of degrees, number of languages.

02:39:25 --> 02:39:30

Ability to work remotely from pretty much anywhere in the world.

02:39:33 --> 02:39:40

Yeah, I would just say, sisters, this is a good applicant. This is

02:39:40 --> 02:39:48

a good suitor. So I would highly suggest if you know someone that

02:39:48 --> 02:39:53

is in this age range 21 to 25 and slim.

02:39:56 --> 02:39:59

Encourage her if it's not you, I encourage her to

02:40:00 --> 02:40:06

DM me, go to my go to my Instagram and DM me that you're interested

02:40:06 --> 02:40:11

in this particular profile. Because this is this is I think, a

02:40:11 --> 02:40:11

great suit.

02:40:13 --> 02:40:16

What what comes up for you when you read this profile? You're,

02:40:16 --> 02:40:20

you're a woman on a mountain? What comes up for you? Now let's come

02:40:20 --> 02:40:22

down from the mountain. Okay?

02:40:28 --> 02:40:30

Nothing comes up really?

02:40:31 --> 02:40:35

Guys, I haven't seen him. So I cannot give you the T on that. I

02:40:35 --> 02:40:38

don't know what he looks like. So I can't tell you whether,

02:40:38 --> 02:40:40

whatever, anything, I haven't seen him.

02:40:41 --> 02:40:47

But I think on paper, he's definitely a worthy candidate,

02:40:47 --> 02:40:52

right? Just for the fact that guys, he takes the boxes that we

02:40:52 --> 02:40:57

know, are some of the building blocks of marriage right in terms

02:40:57 --> 02:41:02

of he is ready and able to take responsibility of a wife and a

02:41:02 --> 02:41:02

family.

02:41:04 --> 02:41:05

That's already huge.

02:41:06 --> 02:41:13

So for me, if and I'm speaking from as a mother, right, and as an

02:41:13 --> 02:41:16

elder, right, and if I was advising my daughter, or you know,

02:41:16 --> 02:41:20

in this situation, if there are any suitors that come, we want to

02:41:20 --> 02:41:24

make sure that the basics are covered Dean and character, okay,

02:41:24 --> 02:41:27

at the moment we we know Dean, we don't know character so much,

02:41:27 --> 02:41:31

because that takes a bit longer. But can you take responsibility

02:41:31 --> 02:41:34

for a wife and family? One what it looks like? Yes, he can. He's in a

02:41:34 --> 02:41:39

good position. So already he has passed gate one. Because the dean

02:41:39 --> 02:41:42

is dead Hamdulillah, he's able to provide for a family. So he's

02:41:42 --> 02:41:45

ready, Yanni. And he's been preparing himself. So that already

02:41:45 --> 02:41:48

gives gives an insight to his character. Agreed. And the thing

02:41:48 --> 02:41:53

is, character and personality are two different things. So the next

02:41:53 --> 02:41:59

gate will be much more personal, in terms of character, is my

02:41:59 --> 02:42:02

daughter a fit for him? My daughter is not an introvert. So

02:42:02 --> 02:42:05

we're not ever going to go down this through this gate. But if I

02:42:05 --> 02:42:09

have a daughter, who has a sister, or sorry, if I have a daughter, or

02:42:09 --> 02:42:13

a sister, or a friend's daughter, who is an introvert and who is of

02:42:13 --> 02:42:18

this age range, I'm sending her this profile and saying, Hey, this

02:42:18 --> 02:42:22

brother is looking for a wife. He's 34. He'd like a young wife.

02:42:22 --> 02:42:27

And I think your daughter could certainly she meets the criteria

02:42:27 --> 02:42:30

as they are now. Now, will they like each other? Who knows? Right?

02:42:30 --> 02:42:33

Will their personalities match? Who knows? Will he find her

02:42:33 --> 02:42:38

attractive? Who knows? You'll only know once you have gone into the

02:42:38 --> 02:42:41

gate. So you've passed gate one, and you've kind of gone in there.

02:42:41 --> 02:42:43

So that's that's what I would say on it.

02:42:45 --> 02:42:49

There's a comment here, which we must address. Must must address.

02:42:49 --> 02:42:53

So one, one quick point. The question was, how old is he? He's

02:42:53 --> 02:42:55

34. Another question is?

02:42:57 --> 02:43:03

I'm sorry, would you say? No, I'll say he's 34. Yeah, 3434 and never

02:43:03 --> 02:43:03

married.

02:43:06 --> 02:43:09

And I think this also speaks to, I think a point that you bring up

02:43:09 --> 02:43:10

often is

02:43:11 --> 02:43:15

when we talk about sisters who are a bit more mature and divorcees in

02:43:15 --> 02:43:19

their late 30s, early 40s, is that typically men their age are

02:43:19 --> 02:43:24

married, right? And so because they've been on their purpose,

02:43:24 --> 02:43:28

preparing themselves, and so this is exactly what you're going to

02:43:28 --> 02:43:31

have, you're going to have a man who's in their early 30s that have

02:43:31 --> 02:43:34

been putting in the work, and eventually will be married, right?

02:43:35 --> 02:43:36

And show a lot. And so

02:43:37 --> 02:43:41

to that question, what was the address this this was very

02:43:41 --> 02:43:45

important, very important. And let's, uh, you know, sorry, before

02:43:45 --> 02:43:46

we go in,

02:43:47 --> 02:43:50

before we go in and to speak to this,

02:43:51 --> 02:43:54

I'm so glad that you asked this question, since maybe you're new

02:43:54 --> 02:43:57

to this platform, if you're new to the channel a lot what LM, but I'm

02:43:57 --> 02:44:01

glad that you asked this question. And I'm glad you were brave enough

02:44:01 --> 02:44:03

to do that. Because I know that there will be others who are

02:44:03 --> 02:44:06

thinking the same thing. Right. And I think it's really important

02:44:06 --> 02:44:11

for us as women as sisters, to get the answer to this question.

02:44:11 --> 02:44:14

Right. So brother, NASA, do you have the male perspective on this?

02:44:14 --> 02:44:17

And in this case, the show the male perspective will be the right

02:44:17 --> 02:44:21

perspective. So it's for them, please spill the tea. Oh.

02:44:26 --> 02:44:26

Okay.

02:44:28 --> 02:44:29

So one,

02:44:30 --> 02:44:34

guys don't always insist on a slim girl. That's why just to be clear,

02:44:34 --> 02:44:38

some brothers love or some brothers prefer

02:44:39 --> 02:44:41

women that have some

02:44:42 --> 02:44:44

some sized to them

02:44:46 --> 02:44:49

healthiness as we say, on the other side of the Atlantic.

02:44:51 --> 02:44:53

So that's one thing to

02:44:55 --> 02:44:57

share. We may not be healthy

02:44:59 --> 02:44:59

right now

02:45:00 --> 02:45:04

chubby may not be healthy. And so the question that I would ask is

02:45:07 --> 02:45:07

why are you chubby?

02:45:10 --> 02:45:16

Why are you chubby? Because as a man, if you are overweight, I'm

02:45:16 --> 02:45:21

questioning, are you overweight? Because you don't know how to deal

02:45:21 --> 02:45:25

with your emotions, your comfort eating? That's what I want to

02:45:25 --> 02:45:32

know. Right? So that's a valid question for a man to ask, why are

02:45:32 --> 02:45:35

you overweight? You may not want to hear that question. And we

02:45:35 --> 02:45:39

probably won't ask you that we'll just think to ourselves, come to

02:45:39 --> 02:45:44

the conclusion, or observe you observe your social media, and

02:45:44 --> 02:45:49

then get the answer. But oftentimes, weight is a reflection

02:45:49 --> 02:45:54

of how people are dealing with the discomfort in their lives. So the

02:45:54 --> 02:45:58

question that I would ask is, for you, in this particular question,

02:45:58 --> 02:45:59

why are you chubby?

02:46:01 --> 02:46:05

Why is it? Why is it a problem that brothers prefer? Some

02:46:05 --> 02:46:07

brothers prefer a woman that is slim?

02:46:09 --> 02:46:12

That's attractive to some brothers, some brothers that

02:46:12 --> 02:46:16

prefers to that may have some weight. But again, the question

02:46:16 --> 02:46:18

becomes, why are you chubby?

02:46:19 --> 02:46:21

And that's an honest question, you should ask yourself, because it's

02:46:21 --> 02:46:22

not healthy.

02:46:23 --> 02:46:24

No shame, but it's not healthy.

02:46:27 --> 02:46:31

Right? And why would you not want to work on that? Again, you may

02:46:31 --> 02:46:34

want to work on so it was just questions, why would you not want

02:46:34 --> 02:46:38

to work on your weight, so that for yourself, you're in the best

02:46:38 --> 02:46:41

space, physically, health wise.

02:46:43 --> 02:46:47

And again, barring, you know, physical, thyroid issues, and all

02:46:47 --> 02:46:50

of that, right. And that's not to say that you still can't work on

02:46:50 --> 02:46:53

your health. And that's not an excuse for you not to try to work

02:46:53 --> 02:46:55

on your health. But why not.

02:46:56 --> 02:46:58

And lastly, last point,

02:47:00 --> 02:47:06

if what you're saying is true, ie that guys always insist on SM

02:47:06 --> 02:47:06

girl,

02:47:09 --> 02:47:11

then you need to work on getting slim.

02:47:14 --> 02:47:17

If that's what the market is looking for, and you want to be in

02:47:17 --> 02:47:19

the market, and get chosen, get selected.

02:47:20 --> 02:47:21

We're going to wait

02:47:24 --> 02:47:27

I work on your emotions work on your thinking, so that you make

02:47:27 --> 02:47:30

better choices when you're uncomfortable when you experience

02:47:30 --> 02:47:35

anxiety. So I work on de escalating yourself from anxiety

02:47:35 --> 02:47:39

to concern so that that way, you make healthier choices. But if you

02:47:39 --> 02:47:42

are right, and the market is majority of brothers wants them

02:47:42 --> 02:47:44

girls, and you're not slim.

02:47:46 --> 02:47:51

You want to get selected by certain quality brothers in the

02:47:51 --> 02:47:53

market. And they want slim girls

02:47:55 --> 02:47:57

and a healthy way. Get slim.

02:47:59 --> 02:48:01

Now just jump in here.

02:48:02 --> 02:48:03

Are you okay, for?

02:48:05 --> 02:48:05

Sure.

02:48:07 --> 02:48:13

I want to address the issue that a lot of us are finding especially

02:48:13 --> 02:48:16

nowadays, which is sort of related to sort of the whole body

02:48:16 --> 02:48:22

positivity movement, right where I feel what's happening is that

02:48:22 --> 02:48:28

women in general, are taking their weight as a chubby girl, just

02:48:28 --> 02:48:32

think girl, as you know, as a fluffy, Goldie. What's the other

02:48:32 --> 02:48:36

one? Like fluffy things? You know? Yeah, fluffy is one.

02:48:37 --> 02:48:43

As as as their identity. I'm a big girl. That's my identity, right?

02:48:43 --> 02:48:46

So when a man says he doesn't want a big girl, you get triggered,

02:48:47 --> 02:48:51

right? Because for you, that's your identity. That's who you are.

02:48:51 --> 02:48:55

And what I'd like to invite you to consider is that no, that's not

02:48:55 --> 02:48:58

who you are. That's your physical state at the moment.

02:48:59 --> 02:49:03

And that is a choice. And you can change that. For most of us. It's

02:49:03 --> 02:49:06

a choice. And we can change that if we care enough, and we put in

02:49:06 --> 02:49:10

the work. Right? Now, at the end of the day, no one can force

02:49:10 --> 02:49:14

anyone to do anything. You make your choices, but you need to make

02:49:14 --> 02:49:18

choices that align with the outcome that you are looking for.

02:49:19 --> 02:49:21

And so for example, sisters, again, I'm going to speak to

02:49:21 --> 02:49:23

sisters for sisters are the ones that get triggered in these

02:49:23 --> 02:49:26

conversations. So sisters, again, I want us to lean into the

02:49:26 --> 02:49:32

discomfort. Lean in, don't run away, don't click off. Don't shut

02:49:32 --> 02:49:37

down, lean into the discomfort. Why are you feeling some type of

02:49:37 --> 02:49:41

way? Say for example, a lot of brothers at the moment are being

02:49:41 --> 02:49:45

very vocal about the fact that they do not like the fact that so

02:49:45 --> 02:49:50

many girls nowadays do not want to cook or clean. Right? It's it's a

02:49:50 --> 02:49:55

concern that has been, you know, articulated now many many, many

02:49:55 --> 02:50:00

times. Okay. So now for us as women if indeed we all want to

02:50:00 --> 02:50:03

to partner with a man if we want to be chosen by a man which we

02:50:03 --> 02:50:06

should want to be if we want to be married, you need to take a cue

02:50:06 --> 02:50:11

from that. The men are saying they want a woman who can cook and

02:50:11 --> 02:50:15

clean. What is my issue with learning how to cook and how to

02:50:15 --> 02:50:18

clean so that I can be chosen to perform the role that This man

02:50:18 --> 02:50:22

wants me to perform in his in his in his life, right in this

02:50:22 --> 02:50:26

marriage, we've got a lot of unlearning to do. We've got a lot

02:50:26 --> 02:50:29

of unpacking to do. And since if you've had five kids and

02:50:29 --> 02:50:33

Hamdulillah, may Allah bless you may Allah bless you and your kids,

02:50:33 --> 02:50:37

Mashallah. I've had five kids, I know friends who've had five kids,

02:50:37 --> 02:50:39

seven kids, eight kids,

02:50:40 --> 02:50:44

losing weight is not for a man per se. That's something that is an

02:50:44 --> 02:50:49

amount of our bodies and our minds. Staying healthy and in

02:50:49 --> 02:50:53

shape is part of how we look after what Allah subhanaw taala has

02:50:53 --> 02:50:56

given us, right. And I'm not making any assumptions about how

02:50:56 --> 02:51:00

big how small how anything, but for some women in society right

02:51:00 --> 02:51:06

now who are morbidly obese or obese, it's not something to be

02:51:06 --> 02:51:10

comfortable with, because it's dangerous for you. And it will

02:51:10 --> 02:51:15

impact your health moving forward. So your children will be impacted

02:51:15 --> 02:51:19

by that in the future, your children will bear the brunt of

02:51:19 --> 02:51:23

that in the future and your life will be curtailed by the fact that

02:51:23 --> 02:51:27

you are unhealthily overweight. We're not talking about chubby

02:51:27 --> 02:51:29

here, we're not talking about soft, we're talking about people

02:51:29 --> 02:51:35

who are medically obese, okay, and you know, morbidly obese. And

02:51:35 --> 02:51:37

again, I don't know anybody in this chat. So I don't know if this

02:51:37 --> 02:51:43

even if this resonates with anyone. But let's stop getting

02:51:43 --> 02:51:46

triggered by things that make us feel uncomfortable to the point

02:51:46 --> 02:51:51

that we want to shut down. It's just information. It's just

02:51:51 --> 02:51:55

information. And as brother said, some brothers do want slim women,

02:51:56 --> 02:52:00

and some don't. And you those of you from different parts of the

02:52:00 --> 02:52:05

world, you guys know, different men have got different tastes,

02:52:05 --> 02:52:09

different men have got different preferences, right? So you go to

02:52:09 --> 02:52:12

where you are accepted to go to where you are celebrated, right?

02:52:12 --> 02:52:16

Not where you're tolerated. But if you're not, if what you're holding

02:52:16 --> 02:52:24

on to, in terms of says who I am, is not appreciated anywhere, then

02:52:24 --> 02:52:27

there needs to be some sort of self reflection, you know, and

02:52:27 --> 02:52:33

and, again, I can hear from the comments, I can hear from the

02:52:33 --> 02:52:37

comments that this is obviously something that upsets you. So

02:52:37 --> 02:52:42

nobody's here to lecture you or anybody else, really. And you

02:52:42 --> 02:52:47

don't have to do anything. But it may be something to look at if you

02:52:47 --> 02:52:51

want a certain outcome. And that might just be to be healthy enough

02:52:51 --> 02:52:55

to be active for your children. And I think that's, I think a

02:52:55 --> 02:53:02

great, nice, yes, and nice. But I think this is problematic. That's

02:53:02 --> 02:53:07

my job. Five kids hamdulillah Hamdulillah, May, May Allah bless

02:53:07 --> 02:53:11

you and your kids. But the mindset is problematic. Ain't nobody got

02:53:11 --> 02:53:15

time for a gym. You want me to lose weight? Yeah, I want you to

02:53:15 --> 02:53:18

lose weight for your husband. Great, do it for you for yourself

02:53:18 --> 02:53:22

to be optimal in terms of your health, and for the lively for you

02:53:22 --> 02:53:25

to be present. And to be in the best space you can be for your

02:53:25 --> 02:53:29

kids and for yourself. But I want you to do for your husband as

02:53:29 --> 02:53:29

well.

02:53:31 --> 02:53:33

This is this is a

02:53:35 --> 02:53:42

this is an unhealthy mindset to question and to be flippant about

02:53:42 --> 02:53:46

losing weight. Because you have five kids as if having five kids

02:53:46 --> 02:53:48

gives you the

02:53:50 --> 02:53:53

the luxury to just let yourself go.

02:53:55 --> 02:53:58

Oh, work who? What is that? How does that help you?

02:54:00 --> 02:54:03

And then your husband is supposed to just be content with that.

02:54:06 --> 02:54:06

Okay.

02:54:08 --> 02:54:11

Like, what is this, I gotta cook clean and wash clothes and you

02:54:11 --> 02:54:14

want me to go to gym? No, I don't want you to go to the gym says.

02:54:14 --> 02:54:17

But what I do want you to do is after you check that load of

02:54:17 --> 02:54:21

laundry, I want you to drop down and do 10 knee push ups. Right? I

02:54:21 --> 02:54:23

want to do some jumping jacks with your kids.

02:54:24 --> 02:54:28

I want you to I want you to look up into minute fasting, and maybe

02:54:28 --> 02:54:32

having a window in which you eat. I want you to try to see how you

02:54:32 --> 02:54:35

can get your husband to help you to get your kids on a better

02:54:35 --> 02:54:38

sleeping pattern so that you can get better sleep so that you don't

02:54:38 --> 02:54:42

have cortisol running through your body and hormones. Right so that

02:54:42 --> 02:54:45

you're not gaining weight based off of that as well. So that's

02:54:45 --> 02:54:48

what I want you to do. I want you to take an active step to be

02:54:48 --> 02:54:52

responsible for the weight that you've gained. Because you decide

02:54:52 --> 02:54:54

which you can put in your mouth was on the end of your fault.

02:54:56 --> 02:54:59

You decided that your husband is going to just have to accept the

02:54:59 --> 02:54:59

fact

02:55:00 --> 02:55:04

that you let go because you have five kids and in your mind you

02:55:04 --> 02:55:06

don't have to deal with your weight

02:55:08 --> 02:55:12

highlighted this comment because again guys we are in you know

02:55:12 --> 02:55:15

we're in a time where you know there is a whole bunch of body

02:55:15 --> 02:55:17

positivity and all of that kind of thing and you know, she was the

02:55:17 --> 02:55:21

sister said you always see other girls hyping up obese women. But

02:55:21 --> 02:55:25

I've rarely seen men do the same to overweight guys not only do men

02:55:25 --> 02:55:28

not hype up overweight guys, but women don't hype up overweight

02:55:28 --> 02:55:32

guys either, right? That is the truth of it. And another thing

02:55:33 --> 02:55:37

what I've noticed is if you're familiar with like pop culture,

02:55:37 --> 02:55:40

etc you know people like Lizzo when people like that they have

02:55:40 --> 02:55:45

all these hype girls, right? Usually American women who are

02:55:45 --> 02:55:49

like oh yes, Queen Yeah. Oh my god like she's She's a queen, you just

02:55:49 --> 02:55:55

such a queen. Those women are in the gym every day. And they would

02:55:55 --> 02:56:00

die to look like lizard like they would die if they looked like

02:56:00 --> 02:56:03

lizard and they would die before they let themselves look like

02:56:03 --> 02:56:06

lizard even though lizard masala is very pretty in the face. Right?

02:56:06 --> 02:56:09

It's over sexualized, but she pretty in the face. But she is

02:56:09 --> 02:56:15

morbidly obese. And for all of these pretenders around to be

02:56:15 --> 02:56:19

hyping her up and say, Oh my God, look at her she's so this is so

02:56:19 --> 02:56:22

that when you yourself, you will never allow yourself to get to

02:56:22 --> 02:56:25

that stage, you're being a hypocrite. You're being a

02:56:25 --> 02:56:30

hypocrite. And the thing that I've noticed as well is in the United

02:56:30 --> 02:56:32

States. It's like this.

02:56:33 --> 02:56:36

It's almost like this condescension to black women in

02:56:36 --> 02:56:40

particular, right? Because African American women have the highest

02:56:40 --> 02:56:43

rates of obesity in the US guys correct me if I'm wrong, please.

02:56:43 --> 02:56:45

Yeah, because this is the least but this is the stats that I've

02:56:45 --> 02:56:48

seen. Obesity is huge in the African American community. Right.

02:56:48 --> 02:56:53

But you have white Americans, professionals, experts,

02:56:53 --> 02:56:57

celebrities, on the sidelines, cheering on these big black women

02:56:57 --> 02:56:59

right to say, Yeah, you know, basically, they're so amazing

02:56:59 --> 02:57:03

celebrating them. Firstly, they would never allow themselves to

02:57:03 --> 02:57:07

get to that stage. And they know full well, that weight is

02:57:07 --> 02:57:13

unhealthy. It takes a toll on the body. It takes a toll on the body

02:57:13 --> 02:57:18

and the mind. Right? So don't get don't get caught in the source

02:57:18 --> 02:57:21

guys, like don't drink the Kool Aid. Right? Please, we need to be

02:57:21 --> 02:57:25

cleverer than that the believer, the body is in a manner. Right.

02:57:25 --> 02:57:27

And obviously, that the conversation we've had here was a

02:57:27 --> 02:57:31

lot. But I think it was needed, right? I liked this point that the

02:57:31 --> 02:57:37

brother or somebody's brother K 12 is saying, body positivity is

02:57:37 --> 02:57:41

usually women destroying other women. Women love less

02:57:41 --> 02:57:42

competition.

02:57:44 --> 02:57:48

Maybe because they know that men are not looking for that. They

02:57:48 --> 02:57:50

know men are not checking for that. But they want to shame men

02:57:50 --> 02:57:54

into wanting that right? They want to shame men into saying what you

02:57:54 --> 02:57:57

should accept. But you know, isn't this beautiful? Like knows? Like?

02:57:57 --> 02:58:02

No, right? There are men who are into that. But they are a minority

02:58:02 --> 02:58:05

and they have a fetish. And this is the thing that's that's their

02:58:05 --> 02:58:08

thing. Okay, but you're not going to now say to average men,

02:58:08 --> 02:58:11

ordinary men, this is what now you should consider beautiful. This is

02:58:11 --> 02:58:14

now the new standard of healthy, what are you finding out? You

02:58:14 --> 02:58:17

think we're done? Oh, I wanted to dress this point. Now since we're

02:58:17 --> 02:58:21

cooking with gas here. Right? A female and male should both take

02:58:21 --> 02:58:26

care of their body just to be fair, like a man who is chubby

02:58:26 --> 02:58:30

expecting a woman who is slim? Should he be a leader and lead by

02:58:30 --> 02:58:31

example.

02:58:32 --> 02:58:36

Do you want to take this? Or do you want me to take it? I'll let

02:58:36 --> 02:58:36

you go.

02:58:37 --> 02:58:39

I just I hope my face is enough.

02:58:41 --> 02:58:45

This is pushback. Where's it coming from? Where's it coming

02:58:45 --> 02:58:45

from?

02:58:47 --> 02:58:51

We we have roles to play right in our marriage. Now, of course the

02:58:51 --> 02:58:57

ideal scenario, both men and women look after themselves. Okay, and

02:58:57 --> 02:59:00

the man is in here on his game. And he's taking care of himself

02:59:00 --> 02:59:04

and he's the leader blah, blah, but he's not doing it. Here he's

02:59:04 --> 02:59:06

providing and he's doing the things that Allah subhanaw taala

02:59:06 --> 02:59:09

has told him to do. That's his role. Let him play his role.

02:59:09 --> 02:59:16

You've my dear, my lovely friend, the Wi Fi. Okay. Part of your role

02:59:16 --> 02:59:21

is to keep yourself keep yourself looking good. Right? You can't

02:59:21 --> 02:59:24

have that mindset that well, why should you expect me to be slim?

02:59:24 --> 02:59:27

When he like, are you going to do your own thing? Are you going to

02:59:27 --> 02:59:30

take charge of this? Are you going to be the best version of yourself

02:59:30 --> 02:59:32

or you're going to make excuses and say, Oh, he's not doing it? Or

02:59:32 --> 02:59:36

why should I do it? He's not doing it. The impact of him of him

02:59:36 --> 02:59:40

losing attraction for you is anyway I want you to talk about

02:59:40 --> 02:59:42

this because this attraction and love and arousal we talked about

02:59:42 --> 02:59:44

this in another session you want to go into that

02:59:46 --> 02:59:47

we can

02:59:48 --> 02:59:52

I think I think it's problematic with this kind of if he's not

02:59:52 --> 02:59:54

doing it, it's not fair mindset.

02:59:58 --> 02:59:59

But one of the things that I want to highlight

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This was when we're dealing with the profile. And one of the

03:00:04 --> 03:00:08

reasons why I say that this is a good suitor and sisters should pay

03:00:08 --> 03:00:12

attention to this is if you look in that he included in his

03:00:12 --> 03:00:15

profile, the hobby is Brazilian jujitsu.

03:00:16 --> 03:00:21

So that lets you know, right? They're that nine times out of 10.

03:00:21 --> 03:00:26

He's engaged on a weekly basis, and some type of physical

03:00:26 --> 03:00:34

activity. So he's probably probably healthy. Probably. Now,

03:00:34 --> 03:00:40

that's just a general response. I personally know the brother. So I

03:00:40 --> 03:00:44

know he's in good shape, physical shape, physically.

03:00:47 --> 03:00:49

But I just I think that that's something that I want to

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highlight, because this is that's something you should look for,

03:00:53 --> 03:00:53

again,

03:00:54 --> 03:00:58

how's he using his time? And if weight is something that's

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important? What is he that he's what is it that he's engaging in

03:01:01 --> 03:01:05

to keep his weight in check? Right? So that's something you

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should look for and profiles.

03:01:08 --> 03:01:12

Can I just say, It's all very well looking for that. But you want to

03:01:12 --> 03:01:16

be bringing that to, like, if he looks at your profile? If he sees

03:01:16 --> 03:01:19

kind of what you do, then that should be reflected. There's no

03:01:19 --> 03:01:21

point you're not doing anything. But you're looking to see Oh, but

03:01:21 --> 03:01:25

but but is it though? Like, that's not fair. Again, we're going to

03:01:25 --> 03:01:29

fairness. But that doesn't make sense. Right. I think I think, for

03:01:29 --> 03:01:32

me, the reason why I wanted to highlight that is one, I think

03:01:32 --> 03:01:35

that's a good thing you want, I think you should look for brother

03:01:35 --> 03:01:39

that is engaged in some type of physical activity that he does, he

03:01:39 --> 03:01:44

is mindful of his health. I think that's an important point. But it

03:01:44 --> 03:01:47

was just interesting to me that that point was brought up when it

03:01:47 --> 03:01:51

was clearly identified in the post that you put up in terms of the

03:01:51 --> 03:01:56

profile and what I read that he was into Brazilian jujitsu. I

03:01:56 --> 03:02:01

think the conversation had kind of gone on to men in general. I want

03:02:01 --> 03:02:04

sisters to make that connection. So what was the other question

03:02:04 --> 03:02:05

that we had?

03:02:09 --> 03:02:13

I want to just to just to pinpoint this

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this is this is obviously pushed back for the sake of pushing back,

03:02:20 --> 03:02:24

right? You mentioned that after having kids, some things you can't

03:02:24 --> 03:02:27

lose, right? Granted, hips, *, etc. No one's asking you

03:02:27 --> 03:02:32

to lose those. Just get in shape. That's it, tighten up, lose weight

03:02:32 --> 03:02:36

and tighten up. That's it if you want to, if you don't call us,

03:02:37 --> 03:02:41

like, I'm Dana camellia Dean. But like sisters, we have to stop

03:02:41 --> 03:02:47

using. Just stop making excuses, man, stop making excuses. It's not

03:02:47 --> 03:02:50

good, you're not benefiting anyone. And the thing is, from my

03:02:50 --> 03:02:55

time of coaching women, right, from my time of coaching women, I

03:02:55 --> 03:02:59

know that one of the biggest barriers for every one of us,

03:03:00 --> 03:03:04

reaching our next level, is making excuses why we can't reach that

03:03:04 --> 03:03:06

next level. That's the one of the biggest barriers because it's all

03:03:06 --> 03:03:12

mental, in your mind. Or you can come up with excuses for why it

03:03:12 --> 03:03:15

can't be and why it can't happen and why you can't do this, or why

03:03:15 --> 03:03:18

you shouldn't have to do this. Then it's dead in the water. It's

03:03:18 --> 03:03:21

dead on arrival. And guys, I'm speaking to everyone, he has no

03:03:21 --> 03:03:25

longer about any particular anyone. It's for everyone. Stop

03:03:25 --> 03:03:29

holding yourself back with your own excuses. And then blaming

03:03:29 --> 03:03:31

someone when you don't get the outcome that you want.

03:03:33 --> 03:03:36

It's not GAME OVER guys. Yeah. And it's not game over if you are

03:03:36 --> 03:03:41

proactive, right? Yes, childbirth has an impact on your body. We

03:03:41 --> 03:03:46

know this. But there's levels to this. There's levels to this,

03:03:46 --> 03:03:50

right? There are natural impact. There's a natural impact on the

03:03:50 --> 03:03:54

woman's body with age and with childbearing. But there's levels

03:03:54 --> 03:03:59

and it can go way past the natural, the natural changes to

03:03:59 --> 03:04:02

becoming something completely different if we let it go. And if

03:04:02 --> 03:04:05

we don't rein it in. And this is a fact, you don't have to make

03:04:05 --> 03:04:10

excuses for why we've gained 100 kilos. And then, like feel calm

03:04:10 --> 03:04:14

and comforting ourselves with a story that when I've had three

03:04:14 --> 03:04:18

kids, that's just a story. You're telling yourself, I'm sorry to be

03:04:18 --> 03:04:21

the bearer of bad news. And I hope nobody thinks that I'm being rude.

03:04:21 --> 03:04:24

But you're not helping yourself. At the end of the day. You are

03:04:24 --> 03:04:27

harming yourself by telling yourself a story that is not

03:04:27 --> 03:04:32

productive, and telling yourself a story. And what are you modeling

03:04:32 --> 03:04:33

to your kids?

03:04:35 --> 03:04:40

So you have five kids, it's assume some of them are girls. What are

03:04:40 --> 03:04:42

you modeling to your girls?

03:04:43 --> 03:04:46

Because they're gonna see that you've just given up on your body?

03:04:48 --> 03:04:52

Is that what you want to model? Or are you going to exemplify to them

03:04:52 --> 03:04:55

that we don't have to have a gym membership but we can create some

03:04:55 --> 03:04:59

type of routine or II watch you to videos, exercise videos, yoga,

03:05:00 --> 03:05:05

videos online and we can spend 30 minutes a day just us working on

03:05:05 --> 03:05:05

at home.

03:05:07 --> 03:05:09

So that's one point. And the other point is is

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just like I've never seen or heard a man say that he was attracted

03:05:16 --> 03:05:19

and aroused by a woman saying she has a PhD.

03:05:20 --> 03:05:25

I've never seen or heard a man saying he doesn't like hips have

03:05:25 --> 03:05:25

*.

03:05:28 --> 03:05:33

And this is across the world. This study says, No one is asking you

03:05:33 --> 03:05:34

to lose hips and *.

03:05:44 --> 03:05:49

Body body positivity of body neutrality helps people to stop

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hating themselves according to society's unrealistic standards.

03:05:54 --> 03:05:56

Yeah, I don't agree with that.

03:05:58 --> 03:05:58

Yeah.

03:06:00 --> 03:06:00

Well,

03:06:02 --> 03:06:06

so I'm of the camp, I'm of the camp that you learn a modality and

03:06:06 --> 03:06:10

one in which you don't have this concept of conditional self worth,

03:06:10 --> 03:06:15

we're in that your weight is a condition that then allows you to

03:06:15 --> 03:06:19

measure if you're worthy or not. So I don't need body positivity

03:06:19 --> 03:06:23

monitors to to. To help me with that, what I need to do is

03:06:23 --> 03:06:27

understand that there's no condition based on my worth, I

03:06:27 --> 03:06:32

unconditionally accept myself as a fallible human beings. And one of

03:06:32 --> 03:06:38

my fallibilities is going to be that at times, I choose to consume

03:06:38 --> 03:06:42

things, when I don't like how I feel. And as a fallible human

03:06:42 --> 03:06:48

being, I may do that at times, but I have the power of choice to work

03:06:48 --> 03:06:48

on that.

03:06:50 --> 03:06:54

But that doesn't, that doesn't allow me or give me the right to

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label or rate myself as anything less than a viable

03:07:00 --> 03:07:01

human being.

03:07:02 --> 03:07:09

So I don't need the body positivity stuff. And then someone

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can't shame me unless I choose to accept the narratives that they

03:07:14 --> 03:07:16

want to create about me.

03:07:18 --> 03:07:23

So other people trying to have this belief about me and want to

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shame me, it requires my acceptance.

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And I think, you know,

03:07:32 --> 03:07:37

you guys have watched this live enough watch videos enough that I

03:07:37 --> 03:07:39

can't two cents about what people think.

03:07:40 --> 03:07:45

And that's because that's because I understand that I'm in control

03:07:45 --> 03:07:46

of my narrative.

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And my narrative takes precedent.

03:07:51 --> 03:07:54

I want to just, oh, I didn't even know that was coming. I had

03:07:54 --> 03:07:58

another one coming up. All right. So this is this is why can't we

03:07:58 --> 03:08:00

just embrace the change as it comes? And then the other comment

03:08:01 --> 03:08:05

was about body positivity and body neutrality. Yeah, you're great

03:08:05 --> 03:08:08

that your husband is going to embrace that change after you're

03:08:08 --> 03:08:10

consistent in that jump?

03:08:12 --> 03:08:15

That kind of change. I don't think that's what she's talking about.

03:08:15 --> 03:08:19

But no, no, no, no, I want to pull up this point about the body

03:08:19 --> 03:08:22

positivity, neutrality and the hate and the societal standards.

03:08:22 --> 03:08:28

Guys, again, there's levels to this, right. We know,

03:08:28 --> 03:08:33

intrinsically, when we are bigger than we like to be. We know this

03:08:33 --> 03:08:36

intrinsically. It's not society standards. Guys, stop it. Stop it.

03:08:36 --> 03:08:40

I hate that. I hate it when people want to blame society for

03:08:40 --> 03:08:44

everything and society standards and society, this society that,

03:08:44 --> 03:08:45

you know,

03:08:46 --> 03:08:51

you know, when you've got, you're carrying too much weight. That's a

03:08:51 --> 03:08:54

fact. You know, when you're carrying too much weight because

03:08:54 --> 03:08:57

you feel it, you can't make your way up the stairs without huffing

03:08:57 --> 03:09:00

and puffing and getting a pain in your side. Your thighs are rubbing

03:09:00 --> 03:09:04

together and chafing. Right? You're sweating all the time

03:09:04 --> 03:09:07

because you can't understand like, Come on, guys. Stop it. That has

03:09:07 --> 03:09:11

nothing to do with society standards. That's just facts.

03:09:13 --> 03:09:16

And the fact is that mashallah Tabata Allah, Allah subhanaw taala

03:09:16 --> 03:09:22

has made our bodies so malleable, so incredibly malleable. Look at

03:09:22 --> 03:09:27

how, how massive that belly is when it's carrying the child

03:09:27 --> 03:09:32

Subhan Allah as a whole human being is up in there and then that

03:09:32 --> 03:09:36

whole little, not even little, that human being goes through the

03:09:36 --> 03:09:37

birth canal

03:09:38 --> 03:09:44

out of you with that big head right out into the world. Subhan

03:09:44 --> 03:09:50

Allah Subhanallah will be handy. And guess what happens? birth

03:09:50 --> 03:09:55

canal goes back to how it was the womb shrinks? This the stomach.

03:09:56 --> 03:09:59

Imagine if you actually empty that like the baby's born.

03:10:00 --> 03:10:04

and all that skin that you had from the the the fur when you were

03:10:04 --> 03:10:08

pregnant just stayed there. Right? Think of how much excess skin

03:10:08 --> 03:10:11

would be there. But that's not what happens in majority of cases,

03:10:11 --> 03:10:16

majority of cases, it actually goes back, the womb shrinks back,

03:10:16 --> 03:10:19

the birth canal goes back in certainly does not stay the size

03:10:19 --> 03:10:23

of you know how it extended to allow the head of a baby out of

03:10:23 --> 03:10:24

there. So

03:10:26 --> 03:10:28

I'm not talking in the car, but he's getting there.

03:10:30 --> 03:10:35

Stop blaming society, and stop blaming other people. And let us

03:10:35 --> 03:10:40

take responsibility for ourselves, all of us. And this is something

03:10:40 --> 03:10:44

that I will say to my brothers and my sisters, we're so quick to

03:10:44 --> 03:10:48

point fingers at society and say it's society's fault. It's this

03:10:48 --> 03:10:51

one's fault. It's that one spot for everything right. And brothers

03:10:51 --> 03:10:54

men doing are doing it as well. There's all women of society that

03:10:54 --> 03:10:57

are the women are doing the same thing. The men this the men that

03:10:57 --> 03:11:01

our society systemic, this systemic that I'm sorry, guys,

03:11:01 --> 03:11:04

every one of us has been given opportunities, boundless powers,

03:11:04 --> 03:11:08

Allah and we're all accountable. We're all accountable. So please,

03:11:08 --> 03:11:11

if you're using society, and unrealistic expectations and

03:11:11 --> 03:11:15

standards as an excuse for being morbidly obese, you need to stop.

03:11:16 --> 03:11:19

And you shouldn't encourage anyone else in your circle to do that,

03:11:19 --> 03:11:21

because you're only harming yourself.

03:11:22 --> 03:11:26

It's not about unrealistic standards from society, you know,

03:11:26 --> 03:11:29

when you're carrying too much weight, and it shows it shows in

03:11:29 --> 03:11:32

your lifestyle, it shows in your energy levels, it shows when you

03:11:32 --> 03:11:37

go and get a checkup. And you can see in the mirror, right, so at

03:11:37 --> 03:11:41

least let's be honest about that. At least let's be honest about

03:11:41 --> 03:11:45

that. And if you then say, You know what? I see it, but I don't

03:11:45 --> 03:11:52

care. That's fine. That's fine. All I see it. Well, my husband

03:11:52 --> 03:11:58

doesn't care. Fine. But let's not fool ourselves and say no, I'm

03:11:58 --> 03:12:01

actually fine. It's just society that makes little you know,

03:12:01 --> 03:12:04

that's, that's got a false narrative. No, you have the false

03:12:04 --> 03:12:08

narrative. Anyway, don't try to make men want something they don't

03:12:08 --> 03:12:08

want.

03:12:10 --> 03:12:15

Right? If you if you as the first questioner said, you if you're

03:12:15 --> 03:12:19

realizing that the majority of men want slim women, don't try to make

03:12:19 --> 03:12:24

them that once then women, and shame them for wanting slim women,

03:12:24 --> 03:12:25

it's ridiculous.

03:12:26 --> 03:12:32

Just accept the fact that you right now are not where they are

03:12:32 --> 03:12:35

at in terms of the women that they're looking for. And you have

03:12:35 --> 03:12:38

the choice, you can choose to stay the same, which is your

03:12:38 --> 03:12:39

prerogative.

03:12:41 --> 03:12:42

Or you can choose to put in the work

03:12:44 --> 03:12:45

to choice.

03:12:48 --> 03:12:53

With that, we managed to go into our delusion segment without even

03:12:53 --> 03:12:56

doing any kind of segue. But I think that we should end it there

03:12:56 --> 03:13:02

because I think that we have definitely kept kept you guys on

03:13:02 --> 03:13:06

your toes, hopefully and entertained enough for one day. So

03:13:06 --> 03:13:11

Brother Nasir, can you just remind us of how we can get in touch with

03:13:11 --> 03:13:14

you and also how to apply for Softlight?

03:13:15 --> 03:13:23

Yeah, so follow me on IG, an associate LME and you can DM me if

03:13:23 --> 03:13:27

you are a brother or sister looking for marriage. Understand

03:13:27 --> 03:13:31

that there is a vetting process I will be asking questions.

03:13:33 --> 03:13:36

If you have a feminist inclination, it's probably best

03:13:36 --> 03:13:40

that you don't waste your time or your money. And so that's how you

03:13:40 --> 03:13:44

can you can find out more send me a DM on on IG.

03:13:46 --> 03:13:47

Guys,

03:13:48 --> 03:13:52

and apologies and if you found this profile that we highlighted

03:13:52 --> 03:13:57

today, one that interests you or someone that you know again, DM me

03:13:57 --> 03:14:00

and let's continue to conversation.

03:14:02 --> 03:14:05

Alright guys, you heard it here. First, please give the video a

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like, give it a thumbs up and subscribe to the channel share

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this live with others who may benefit Insha Allah, we do go live

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every Thursday in sha Allah. And we have some exciting news that we

03:14:17 --> 03:14:20

will not announce yet but inshallah there is exciting stuff

03:14:20 --> 03:14:24

coming up. So look out for that in sha Allah, more profiles that

03:14:24 --> 03:14:28

evening Allah and also if you are a sister who is looking, I think

03:14:28 --> 03:14:31

we're the only profiling brothers aren't we? We're gonna focus on

03:14:31 --> 03:14:34

profiling brothers. We can do we can we can definitely do both. We

03:14:34 --> 03:14:38

can definitely do both, for sure I'm up for it. I think it'd be

03:14:38 --> 03:14:42

good. I think it'd be good because as you see when we just did this

03:14:42 --> 03:14:45

profile, there was a lot of great discussion that came out of it.

03:14:46 --> 03:14:47

Yeah, right.

03:14:49 --> 03:14:51

There's gonna be even better because next week one is the

03:14:52 --> 03:14:55

calligraphy mashallah so that one's going to be even better I

03:14:55 --> 03:14:59

think because it was a lot of a lot of meat to that one.

03:14:59 --> 03:14:59

Mashallah.

03:15:00 --> 03:15:02

Yeah, so I think I think we should do both because I think in doing

03:15:02 --> 03:15:06

both, it's going to produce like, look, the last 15 minutes was just

03:15:06 --> 03:15:10

a comment about the brother wanting someone who's slim. And

03:15:10 --> 03:15:13

then the cons that come out of that. So we're the competition

03:15:13 --> 03:15:15

that came out of that. So I think we should do both brothers and

03:15:15 --> 03:15:16

sisters

03:15:17 --> 03:15:18

and sisters, like,

03:15:19 --> 03:15:23

reach out. I know that this has a quality brother. I've given you

03:15:23 --> 03:15:25

the paper on paper what he looks like.

03:15:26 --> 03:15:27

This is a good suitor.

03:15:29 --> 03:15:34

Yeah, all right, guys. Don't you snooze, you lose? Okay, so don't

03:15:34 --> 03:15:38

be afraid to shoot your shots inshallah. Don't be afraid to

03:15:39 --> 03:15:43

Yeah, to compete guys, for people who are worth competing for insha

03:15:43 --> 03:15:47

Allah. And with that, we'll draw this to a close as I can and fader

03:15:47 --> 03:15:51

and for rocking with us. It's been a wonderful evening and like I

03:15:51 --> 03:15:55

said, we go live every Thursday insha Allah and I also have my

03:15:55 --> 03:16:00

Wednesday live stream, which is every Wednesday mashallah and next

03:16:00 --> 03:16:05

week, we are talking about mothers raising men.

03:16:06 --> 03:16:09

It's going to be super super good. And you will see more information

03:16:09 --> 03:16:12

about that on Monday I'll be releasing the post that we're

03:16:12 --> 03:16:15

going to be discussing and you're all welcome to join on the live

03:16:15 --> 03:16:19

stream to share your thoughts on the relationship between mothers

03:16:19 --> 03:16:21

and sons and manhood as well as

03:16:23 --> 03:16:27

mama's boys, son, husbands single mothers raising boys and the role

03:16:27 --> 03:16:30

of men in the home inshallah so I think it's gonna be good

03:16:30 --> 03:16:34

inshallah. But for now, we will bid you all a good night, just

03:16:34 --> 03:16:37

like a little Kayden said he just says, I think this was the longest

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Convo in this channel. Yeah, we beat out yesterday. Yesterday was

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three hours and today's three hours 16 So alhamdulillah thanks

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so much for rocking with us guys. And please Inshallah, I'll see you

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next week. Have a fantastic weekend. Just come allow Faden as

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Salaam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

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