Naima B. Robert – Building an Email List as an Author Na’ima B. Robert & Tumkeen Muslimah Author Summit 2022

Naima B. Robert
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The Muslim andivist Summit 2022 workshop is about building a name for oneself as an author, selling more books, and connecting with people. The workshop is about creating a strong LinkedIn and email address for future communication, building a social media network, and creating a strong network for leads. The importance of writing as a motivational message and creating value for people is emphasized, and the speakers suggest various lead magnet options and creating a community for people to share. The importance of serving people at large festival events and building relationships with them is emphasized, and the speakers offer free training courses and a free class for new business owners.
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So now let's

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wait a couple of seconds for us to

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check that it's live, but I think that

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it already is. So if it is, welcome.

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Assalamu

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alaikum, everyone. Welcome to this session in the

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Muslim and Writers Summit 2022.

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This is going to be a knowledge sharing

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session, otherwise known as a workshop.

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So

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I'm going to be sharing,

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how to build with a platform.

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So

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we're teaching. We're not doing a lot of

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talking and chatting, although we are gonna do

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some talking and chatting in this session. I've

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got my co host, Tamkeen, here, masha'Allah,

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who's very familiar with this material, And we're

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gonna be sharing notes, like swapping notes on

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things that I share in the, in the

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workshop. But, basically,

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if you

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are

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or something that you want to publish

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and you would like more book sales.

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If you would like more readers,

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to know about your work, you'd like more

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people to know about your work, then this

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workshop is for you. Alright? And this is

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one of the workshops that I share with

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the Amplify Mastermind,

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which is our group of authors, Muslim authors,

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who

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write in all sorts of different genres,

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and they get support from myself and my

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team to edit, to publish, to promote, to

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launch, and sell, and distribute their books, inshallah.

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So with that being said, Assalamu Alaikum Tamkeen.

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Are you ready?

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Yes. I am.

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Yay. Alright. Let me just get the right

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thing up for us here. We need our

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slides. Yes. We are using slides today.

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And I'll just share the screen on that

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and, Bismillah, let's go.

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So let me move this out of the

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way if I can.

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I don't know if you may add. I

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think I think everyone should save this video

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too to go back to to refer because

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I think it's so gold golden in his

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advice. So

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I'm literally there on YouTube.

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They can access it as many times as

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they like.

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So this

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this workshop is about author list building. Okay?

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We're gonna talk about the terms that I

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use, you know, what is list building. I've

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mentioned already that this is perfect for you,

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whether you are a children's author or writing

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for teens or adults, whether you're writing fiction

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or nonfiction,

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poetry or anthology,

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you if you're an author, then this is

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information that you need especially in today's world.

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Okay.

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The way that books work nowadays is that

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they

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an author requires a platform. And as Tim

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Grahl says, an author platform is a direct

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connection to your audience

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that allows you to predictably

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and reliably, inshallah,

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sell books. Okay. So that's when we say

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author platform,

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it's basically a connection to your audience. Okay.

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A direct connection to your audience.

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Now,

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people will probably be surprised to to kind

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of realize that up until fairly recently,

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most authors did not have direct connection to

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their readers.

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Right? Before social media,

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authors

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would maybe go on tour and they would

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meet their author, you know, meet their,

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meet the people who who had read their

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books, you know, if they come out for

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a reading or something like that. But a

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direct connection,

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unless

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the the the fan was somebody who was

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kinda like writing them letters and that type

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of thing,

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they didn't know who these fans were. They

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would not have a way of accessing these

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fans, and they certainly couldn't communicate with them

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on a regular basis

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until the advent of logging

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of email and of social media. Right? So

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Right. Right.

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Things have changed.

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Yeah. They've changed, and they've changed in favor

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of the author where there's a lot more

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tools,

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to be connected to your to your,

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to your reader and to to know even

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feedback from them. Let's what's working with them,

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what's not. And so I think it's a

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great time to be an author.

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Yeah. Yeah. No. Definitely, it is. And this

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this is also something to remember for all

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of you who are thinking, well, you know,

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I'm not self published. I have a publisher.

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So do I really need a direct connection

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with my audience? Well, you're gonna answer that

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question in this session Insha'Allah.

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Alright. So what this workshop is about is

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about how to build your name, build a

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name for yourself as an author,

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how to build a market for your books,

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how to go about selling more books and

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touching more lives and getting more opportunities

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to connect and share your message. And the

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great thing about this platform is that if

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you take the time and you make the

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effort to build a platform,

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you actually become more attractive to publishers.

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So this isn't for you only if you're

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interested in self publishing, but even if you

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are your aim is to be traditionally published,

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if you have an author platform,

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you're just that much more attractive to publishers.

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And I'm keen we've talked about this many

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times before, and I I would riddle the

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audience to see if you can say in

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the comments why you think that might be.

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And Tamkeen is gonna tell you the answer.

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Why does an author platform make an author

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more attractive to publishers?

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Well, it it makes us more accessible. Right?

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It makes us more accessible to the publishers.

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It makes us more accessible to,

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to everyone out there. And then also it

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shows how much,

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what you're bringing in. Right? If we listened

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yesterday to Nezia Maxwell from,

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from Daybreak Press, when she was saying she

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would have some golden advice there,

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that when she was saying that, you know,

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even as someone who's traditional publisher,

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they see how much you can bring. Right?

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And they can see how much you are,

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how many people follow you, how many people

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are you have as your potential readers or

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buyers that you could say.

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Exactly. So you just you just a more

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attractive investment.

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Sorry to say it that way, guys. But

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with publishers, really, bottom line, that's what it

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comes down to. If they take you on,

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it's because they believe that they can sell

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your book. Right? Otherwise, they don't typically take

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you on. And a part of that is,

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do you have an audience of your own?

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Do you have potentially

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readers that they haven't yet accessed? That's another

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thing as well, you know, and especially especially

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for, you know, anybody from the Muslim community

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who is writing a book that may have

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some appeal

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for Muslim families, Muslim moms, dads, children, whoever.

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The publisher may not necessarily have a huge

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you know, have access to a huge Muslim

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market,

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but they if they see that you already

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have some kind of audience, you already have

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some kind of, you know,

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respect and trust within the Muslim community, then

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that's for them, a way for them to

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go into a new market. So that's something

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else as well.

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Alright. So

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first up, we're gonna talk about my favorite

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darling, which is email.

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And I just want to say at this

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point

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I have been talking about this since 2018

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I believe

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but the number of people

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service providers,

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creatives,

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social media influencers, if you want to call

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them that, who do not have a mailing

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list

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is still too high.

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People still think

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that it's about the Gram,

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that it's about not Facebook anymore because Facebook

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is better.

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Right. But people still think it's about vanity

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metrics. Right, Tamkeen? People still are getting asked

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about numbers of followers, number of likes, number

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of shares. Right. And

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really,

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some key come on. Just take take away

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this.

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Talk to them about this. Yes. Guilty. Guilty.

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Guilty. Us putting effort into just building our

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online platforms. Because that's what people do. And

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I bet when people heard author platform, they

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thought we were gonna talk about building your

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social media. Right? Right. Right. What's what's your

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perspective on that?

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Well, as you famously quoted someone else that's

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saying, you don't build a home on, on

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on borrowed land. Right? And so Instagram, the

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followers don't belong to you. They belong to

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Instagram. And so once your account closes, and

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this unfortunately has happened too many times recently

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where accounts get closed and or they get,

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you know, they get taken or somebody hacked

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into them, it's gone. Your followers are gone.

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Everything is gone. And so your email list

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is yours still, and that is that is

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priceless. Especially speaking from someone who thought that

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Instagram presence and Facebook presence was all the

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the rage. It wasn't. Because when when the

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book was coming out,

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as a published author, you know, if I

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didn't have that email, there was there was

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nothing. I had nothing of the they to

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respond to. Whereas if for those who had

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my email,

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they got the information right away. I had

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the a close connection with them, a direct

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connection with them. So it's it's your property,

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basically.

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Yeah. And I'm

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very, very happy that, you know, I I

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was somebody kind of pulled my coat early

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in the early days of coming online, not

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early early, not when I was on Facebook,

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not even when I came on to Instagram,

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but when I started going into digital marketing

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and thinking about having an online course and

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that type of thing, that's when I learned

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the importance of email and building my mailing

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list and

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through all the work that we've been doing

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even summits like this you know my courses

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you know webinars and all that kind of

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thing the list has grown to over 20,000

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mashallah but that's literally in the last few

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years

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If I had known about email when I

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first came onto facebook we'd be looking at

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different numbers altogether but alhamdulillah

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better late than never what people need to

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understand is that it's never too late to

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start building your list and email is still

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Still the gold

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so unlike social media

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blogging or YouTube

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even, the email is really your only direct

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line of communication because everything else relies on

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the algorithm.

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The algorithm is what selects what people see

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on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube,

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Google, which means your blog as well. You

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know, you're at the mercy of the algorithm

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and of SEO, right, search engine optimization. And

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if you're not really that savvy on those

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things or just the algorithm doesn't like your

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content for whatever reason,

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you cannot reach all the people who have

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said that they like your stuff. I'm sure

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you guys are aware of this. You post

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stuff. Maybe you've got 10,000 followers, 5,000 followers,

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but you're only getting, like, 5, 10 likes,

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a 100 likes. And you're like, hold on

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a minute.

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100 people a 1000 people 5,000 people said

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that they follow me and they like me

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how come so few people are seeing my

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stuff?

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That my dear friends is the algorithm.

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So

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as I say here having large followings on

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social media platforms literally is worthless unless you

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are establishing

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your line of communication

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with your potential readers. That's really what social

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media platform should be used for to bring

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people into your home. And I'll talk about

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that a little bit more later. But the

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email,

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getting their email address

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is them giving you permission to communicate directly

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with them and build a much stronger relationship

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of value and trust with your audience.

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And for sure, it's one of the most

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overlooked areas, and it's the most vital. Right?

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So don't make that mistake, guys. Joaquin, anything

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to offer on that? No. Just gonna say

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it's like a long term investment into your,

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yourself as an author. Like, you want to

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be taken seriously and you wanna be considered

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an author and sell like an author,

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then then you have to,

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the email is the way to go. Whereas

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what happened to Instagram and I like, you

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know, we post things, but they're gone by

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tomorrow, by 24 hours, not even sometimes. It's

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gone. And it's not a long term investment.

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It's like a quick it's like a quick,

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like, thing. So, yeah, quick fix. So Yeah.

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Definitely.

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I'm good now. Okay. Let's go. Let's keep

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it moving.

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Yeah.

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Can I go to the next one? Can

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I will it let me go?

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Oh. Oh, okay.

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Maybe not. Let's see if it will let

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me go down. Okay.

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So

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people may be wondering. Okay. Fine. Fine. Fine.

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We hear you. Maybe email is important. Okay.

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Maybe we should be looking at gathering emails,

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but, you know how are we supposed to

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do that right?

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They may say I'm not selling my book

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yet I don't have any services to offer

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how can I

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get people's emails?

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Okay. So just before I share this next

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piece,

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I just want to ask everybody who's watching

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this

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how you

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registered for this summit?

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If you're like most people, you saw an

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ad somewhere

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on Instagram, Facebook, maybe you got an email,

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you clicked on a link, and then you

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went to a page.

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And on that page,

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all the information about the summit was presented

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and there was a space for you to

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sign up.

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When you were signing up you gave us

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your name and your email address, and you

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clicked submit.

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Now just a secret. What happens after that,

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in case you don't know, your email

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is entered onto a list.

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In this case, it's entered onto the summit

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list. And now you are on my mailing

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list. In the Europe we tick the gdrp

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box to allow communication

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and now that you are on my list

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you've registered for the summit,

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but now I have your email and I

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have permission to communicate directly with you. So

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as long as you open my emails, you

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and I could stay in touch. Right? And

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just as you email me and I sorry.

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Just as I email you, you can email

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me. Okay? Now

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how did I get you to give me

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your email address? Well, I offered you something.

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Right? I had a magnet. I had a

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way to draw you towards

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my list.

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And in this case, it was the summit.

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But lead magnets,

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come in many different shapes and sizes. Okay?

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So let's say, let's get our language right.

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A lead magnet is an irresistible bribe

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like a summit

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offering a specific chunk of value to a

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prospect in exchange for their contact information.

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The goal of the lead magnet is to

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maximize the number of targeted leads that you

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are getting for an offer. Okay? So we

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don't just say to people, like I have

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seen happening before,

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join my mailing list, right,

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or send me your email or give me

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your email, and I'll send you cool stuff.

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That doesn't really work anymore

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nobody's really interested in signing up for people's

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mailing lists because most of us are on

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too many mailing lists Right, Tamkeen? What are

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your thoughts on this? Right. Right. So just

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like how you would not sign on to

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those things, you know, how we just swipe

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past it when we go to a website.

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We will people will swipe past ours.

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And so if if you're not reacting to

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it, I think the other way with the

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same thing with people. They're not gonna react

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to it as well. So what does work

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is something that is great, and it doesn't

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feel like a bribe. It feels more like

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I'm getting something for my email. So I'm

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signing on to a newsletter that has all

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of your great information

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Or I like the motivational Monday,

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emails that Naima sends, and they really inspire

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me. So I'm giving her my email address

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so that she comes to my door, basically,

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with with something that of value to me

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too. Yep. And the the thing is that

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I would never have

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invited people to sign up to get inspirational

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emails. Like, that for me, guys, I'm sorry,

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that's not a lead magnet

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because who wants more email? Does anyone?

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I I don't. I definitely don't want more

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email. Right? Right. But maybe

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I want access to a summit. Maybe I

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want, an ebook that is on offer. Right?

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Maybe I want a free training course or

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maybe I want the webinar. That that is

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what is is is actually a fact Insider

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scoop. Yeah. Right. The insider news, insider scoop

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type thing. Right. Exactly. And what what's really

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happening with, for example, my Monday motivation emails

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is that is me nurturing and basically

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giving you a gift for having taken the

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first offer, which was a gift at the

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end of the day. Right?

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So the the the the motivational emails, those

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are really just to say thank you,

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and to continue to provide value to the

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people who are on the list so that

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they are happy to hear from you. Right?

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But we're gonna talk about this more because

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this is the whole

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the whole premise of this is being of

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benefit.

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Right? So even as authors

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being of benefit to the people on whose

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list we are. Right? So I'm gonna stop

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the share for a second because for some

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reason it is not moving the way that

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I want it to and I'm not happy

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with it. So I'm gonna tell it just

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just take a chill pill for a second

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and then we're gonna come back inshallah.

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Sure. So lead magnets,

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as I said, so many different kinds of

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lead magnets. And the first one that we're

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gonna go into is the downloadables.

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Okay?

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Now downloadables,

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again, I mentioned one of them. That's like

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an ebook. Okay? But as authors,

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that could be many things.

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We always get our clients to, for example,

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offer

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a free a sneak peek at their chapter.

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Yeah.

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To if they have a book that's coming

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out, then we get them to offer people

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the chance to be one of the first

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to read it. So a sneak peek, a

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sneak chapter, you know maybe an extra chapter

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that's not in the book something something you

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know something extra

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that is that is not available anywhere else

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Okay. Ebooks, guides,

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checklists,

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notes, even stationery, these can all work very

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well. And And for children that I'm looking,

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have you used any of these, when you're

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building your list? I have an ebook. I

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have an ebook out. And,

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yes, it's it it worked more beautifully than

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other things. I've tried different things, but the

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ebook has definitely resonated best with people. And

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it also gave people a sample

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to before they invest in you as a

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writer, as a poet, to have that ebook

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is like, okay. I like her stuff. She

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resonates with me, and they can further invest

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into that. I was gonna add for children's

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book authors, a great downloadable would be, like,

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a coloring page, PDF,

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activity book stuff, and and those are great

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for children's books. And, I know that resonates

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with me as a reader

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with my children.

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Definitely. 100%.

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So, basically, you're looking at, you know, who's

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my audience

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or my books, and how can I serve

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them?

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What do they want from me? What do

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I have to offer them? How can I

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serve them? You know? So for example,

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my market is writers.

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So this is an example of another writer.

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This is not one of mine.

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I don't think it's one of mine. Could

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be. Hold on. Maybe it is. We definitely

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did one of these. But this is

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another writer's website

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where they have a challenge going on. And

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when people sign up for a challenge, obviously,

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that is a lead magnet. But in this

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case, they have a pop up on the

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site which offers you a 10 step guide

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to becoming a writer.

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Alright. So obviously you can see you enter

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your email address. You say send me the

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guide. That was the magnet. And so now

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you're on that person's mailing list. Alright.

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So that's downloadables.

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So take a moment to think about

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your

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market or your potential market,

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your people. Yeah. If you don't like the

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word market, it's fine.

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Your people, your tribe, you know,

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your potential readers. Yeah. Your readers. Is there

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anything,

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Exactly. Right. Is there anything that could

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is there anything that you could create that

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would be of benefit to them? Okay, that

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would help them, that would be useful,

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right, that they can easily download, you can

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save it as a PDF and they can

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just download that, Have a think.

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Another thing that I've used to with great

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success is email series. Right? And this could

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be serialized stories. It could be a video

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series, a training series.

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I've used audio series as well, an email

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course. All of these are fantastic

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magnets,

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because it's real value. Right? We're not here

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sending people nonsense.

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We're not here sending people stuff to clog

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up their email. You want to take time

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to create something that is truly valuable,

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you know, that will

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give them benefit. Like you said, about with,

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you know, with a coloring book for children's

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authors

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or even like,

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you know, in the case of the downloadables,

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a guide to the, you know, top 10

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new, you know, Muslim children's books that have

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come out or how to find

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Muslim children's books in the library or how

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to ask for your library to order more

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Muslim children's books. These are ways that you

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can guide your people

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with things that they may be struggling with.

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Tamkeen, have you tried any of these of

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the email series?

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You know what? No. I have not. And,

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I had think that I used to believe

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that it was a longer

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investment in in time and energy

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to to do that. But I think that,

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if you

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if you plan it out wisely, it could

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be done very successfully. And I I've I've

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lacked in this one, and this is where

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I always get stuck,

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but I'm taking notes too.

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That's all good. These are all examples because,

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Jeff Goins

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was one of the first people that I

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learned a lot of this stuff from. And

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you if you go on any writer's website,

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you and and anyone who's

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offering a service or a product guys. Now

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that you've seen this, you can't unsee

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it. You will start to see this everywhere.

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There's either a pop up or there's a

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box. You can see here Jeff Goins has

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got a free guide on growing your blog

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audience. K. He's offering you that. Umakia

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is offering updates. You can see she's got,

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competition information,

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content, new books,

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hinting as the

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a first chapter of Behind the Picket Fences,

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which is which was her book. So you

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can see that this is something that people

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do. Right? And whenever you go online now,

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keep an eye out for it. And if

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you like any of the ideas that you

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see feel free to just * them. You

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know? If

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you like something that I've done you think

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oh that was really cool. Yeah. I I

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could do something similar to that do it

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I took it from someone else I'm keen

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I'm sure I copied somebody else you know

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because these ideas are more or less like

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public property, really. Just don't plagiarize.

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That's what I would say. Yes.

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Now this challenge is is a super cool

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one. And one of our clients, Isra, talked

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about this a night or 2 ago because

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she had a decluttering challenge in prep in

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preparation for Ramadan.

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Again, a challenge

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is something that people sign up for. It

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could be a reading challenge. It could be

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a writing challenge. It could be a lifestyle

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challenge whether it's you know, like, we've got

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our 10 minutes a day writing challenge in

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Ramadan. You know, we've got people who do,

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like, you know, a walk a walk a

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mile a day challenge for 7 days,

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you know, a gratitude challenge. We've done those

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before as well.

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Loads of different challenges out there, and those

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are really great if you want to build

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a community because typically

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when and if you this is great for

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authors

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who as I said who offer product or

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specialty services.

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So authors who have some kind of service

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right they have a coaching business or they

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have a consulting business or they have courses

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or something like this and they also have

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a book

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getting people to action

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on what you're teaching in your book, like

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taking action right away and seeing results in

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the challenge can be a really great way

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to bring them into your community,

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introduce them to your work.

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You can sell the book off of that,

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but hopefully they will also sign up for

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any booking or consulting or support that you

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offer. So that's like a 5 star tip

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that, that you guys can take if you

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are one of those people who offers, you

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know, products and specialty services. Yeah. I wanna

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add also that you have to think outside

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the box. So for someone like me who

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doesn't have,

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another,

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another business or another work related thing, I

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have to look outside the box. So if

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my memoir, for example, has is about 5,

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6, 10 different topics,

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what I can do to kinda introduce people

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to the topics that are being discussed in

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my book and bring that attention in while

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also creating a challenge for it.

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Yeah. Exactly. I love that. And again,

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that is thinking outside the box, and we

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like that. We like that a lot.

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And and and really when it comes to

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lead magnets, you know, that thinking outside the

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box that you mentioned is actually really important

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because you want to bring something that

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hasn't been done and seen a 100 times

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before, you know, that not everyone is doing,

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you know, bring something exciting. Like exciting things,

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new things, you know what we like.

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So, you know, coming up with something like

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that is a really, really good idea, and

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it's exciting for you as well. And it

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helps you communicate with

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you with your right? And allows you to

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build that deeper connection with them, Insha'Allah.

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Right. Alright. What else have we got here?

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We've got,

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this is another challenge. We were inspired by

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the challenge, and this was a 500 word

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a day challenge.

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It's 500 words for 31 days, and I

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think we've based our

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5 challenge on this

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by another writer.

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See here,

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a flash fiction challenge, which you sign up

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and get a prompt for every day. She

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may have a community behind it where people

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who are part in the challenge

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can meet and talk and swap notes and

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stuff like that.

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NaNoWriMo

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is a great challenge that people sign up

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for. I think we did the Muslim version,

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something like that. We did have a Ramadan.

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Right? We did have the Ramadan. We did

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some writers.

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Yes. Yes, we did. That was inspired by

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the one that I shared earlier. Masha'Allah.

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Cool. All right. So another way to build

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your list, and we've kind of talked about

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this already actually is building a community

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so not only can you build a community

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behind a challenge that you are running or

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something like that, but also

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building and tapping into book clubs,

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interest groups, review or study circles that you

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are that you are bringing together. Right.

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You know,

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basically,

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I loved what this particular author did, Nomi,

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because when her new book came out, she

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decided to make a grand gesture to create

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a big buzz about her book. And she

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decided to visit a 100 book clubs across

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the country to discuss her book with readers.

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And those club those book club visits were

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physical and virtual

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via Skype.

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And at the end of her campaign she

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had been hosted by a 138

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book clubs,

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68 via Skype. Now you can imagine the

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impact of that if people had to sign

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up for something like that. You know, all

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the people that she's now met who have

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seen her, heard her, had her read from

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her book, had her talk about the book

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itself,

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you know, through these 138

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book clubs, I have no idea how many

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new fans

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she built and how many new readers

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she welcomed into, into her world. So, you

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know, I think that that's a really, really

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I I really found that a very inspiring

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example,

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of that. Have you had a chance to

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be

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invited into anyone's,

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like, communities, Tamekin, as an author in order

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to talk about your book, etcetera?

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I I haven't been able to be invited

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yet, as a speaker, but my book has

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been,

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like, people have reached out to me to

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have their book the book in their classrooms

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and to discuss in their schools and stuff.

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So

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alhamdulillah. I love that. Love that. Love that.

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Just on a yeah. So this is going

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into this next thing now, and we kind

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of touched on this before.

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A fantastic way to build your list

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if you are somebody who has something to

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share

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either related to the book's topic

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or

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the process of creating the book.

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I'm gonna say that again because training can

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be offered

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either on the topic of the book itself.

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So if we take for example

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Farah Duaileh's book on infertility okay on coping

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with infertility

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She can totally offer master classes on the

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topic, webinars on the topic, and run workshops

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on the topic. And even if these are

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all free,

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people

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sign up for those trainings which means that

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she is building

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a list of people who

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are interested in the topic of infertility

00:28:01 --> 00:28:04

and her book is about infertility so it

00:28:04 --> 00:28:05

makes complete sense.

00:28:05 --> 00:28:08

Now if you you have a book on

00:28:08 --> 00:28:11

a particular topic and you for example

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your book is about body image

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Right. Maybe you don't wanna teach about body

00:28:17 --> 00:28:19

image. Maybe it's a memoir. Right? Maybe you're

00:28:19 --> 00:28:22

sharing your story. However, I say to my

00:28:22 --> 00:28:23

clients,

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if you've got the time and you've got

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the passion

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why don't you bring together a masterclass with

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someone else who can speak on this or

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even put together some kind of seminar series

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or do, you know, host

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podcast or create a summit

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where you bring in other people to speak

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on the topic of body image

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on the platform of you as somebody who

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wrote a book about body image. Does that

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make sense, Tamke? What do you think of

00:28:47 --> 00:28:48

that as an idea? Yeah. I think that's

00:28:48 --> 00:28:51

a wonderful idea. And so many times people

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do it, and we just we don't even

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know that we're part of that,

00:28:54 --> 00:28:56

other platform building stuff. We're just like, wow.

00:28:56 --> 00:28:58

She's offering that service for a free master

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class.

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So how many did I how many master

00:29:02 --> 00:29:03

classes did I,

00:29:03 --> 00:29:05

did I attend of yours before I actually,

00:29:06 --> 00:29:07

joined one of your coaching program? I think

00:29:07 --> 00:29:09

it was, like, a 100 or something. Every

00:29:09 --> 00:29:11

free master class for Nightmare Robert, I'm like,

00:29:11 --> 00:29:12

check. I'm putting my name in because I'm

00:29:12 --> 00:29:13

gonna learn something.

00:29:14 --> 00:29:16

I'm there. Yeah. So and it's a great

00:29:16 --> 00:29:17

way to connect. And I think it's a

00:29:17 --> 00:29:19

great way people don't realize that for as

00:29:19 --> 00:29:20

a reader that you can connect

00:29:20 --> 00:29:22

with those people who you wanna learn from,

00:29:22 --> 00:29:24

but you're kinda like maybe your cash is

00:29:24 --> 00:29:26

tight. Maybe you're just not sure yet about

00:29:26 --> 00:29:28

the investment or time in place. Yeah. So

00:29:28 --> 00:29:29

I think those are great resources.

00:29:30 --> 00:29:31

Exactly. Exactly.

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I've got an example of Zakia, our favorite

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here again. So you can see she's running

00:29:37 --> 00:29:39

a creative writing prompt masterclass.

00:29:40 --> 00:29:42

This, my dear friend, is a lead magnet.

00:29:42 --> 00:29:44

It's a list builder. Okay. So when you

00:29:44 --> 00:29:46

sign up for that free class,

00:29:46 --> 00:29:49

whoever you're signing up for, masha'Allah, you're helping

00:29:49 --> 00:29:51

them build their list. List. Don't be one

00:29:51 --> 00:29:53

of those people who just signs up for

00:29:53 --> 00:29:56

other people's lists. Start building your own. Okay?

00:29:56 --> 00:29:58

So that's what I have to say to

00:29:58 --> 00:29:58

everybody.

00:29:59 --> 00:29:59

Okay?

00:30:00 --> 00:30:03

So just for the newbies who may not

00:30:03 --> 00:30:05

be clear as to how this works right

00:30:06 --> 00:30:09

remember the page that you came to in

00:30:09 --> 00:30:11

order to sign up for the summit?

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That

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would have been

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the landing page. Alright. That's the page where

00:30:17 --> 00:30:18

all the information about

00:30:19 --> 00:30:20

the the the freebie is.

00:30:21 --> 00:30:23

Whatever that freebie is. Right? Whether it's a

00:30:23 --> 00:30:24

download,

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whether it's a challenge,

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whether it's a free class, whether it's a

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summit, it will be on one page.

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All the information about that activity or that

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product, right, that downloadable.

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You are going to then put your details

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in there. Right?

00:30:39 --> 00:30:42

So when you're creating your own, you need

00:30:42 --> 00:30:44

a landing page. Okay. Which means that you

00:30:44 --> 00:30:46

need an email host.

00:30:46 --> 00:30:49

Tom Keane, typically, this is one of those

00:30:49 --> 00:30:51

areas that really flummoxes a lot of our

00:30:51 --> 00:30:54

clients because they came in to write a

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book, and they never thought they'd have to

00:30:55 --> 00:30:56

do any tech.

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Give us the scoop.

00:31:00 --> 00:31:03

Well, I have Google on one window and

00:31:03 --> 00:31:05

YouTube on one window for myself all the

00:31:05 --> 00:31:06

time when it comes to these things that

00:31:06 --> 00:31:09

I don't understand. So when Naomi Robert first

00:31:09 --> 00:31:11

told me about a lead magnet, I've nodded

00:31:11 --> 00:31:12

my head a lot. I said, sure. I

00:31:12 --> 00:31:13

know what that means. And I then I

00:31:13 --> 00:31:16

googled it. And sure enough, you will find,

00:31:16 --> 00:31:18

go to videos, how to videos,

00:31:19 --> 00:31:21

people who will walk you, talk you through

00:31:21 --> 00:31:24

everything. And, and they're really useful. I mean,

00:31:24 --> 00:31:26

I the whole self publishing process for myself

00:31:26 --> 00:31:28

as well. We used to have 2 windows

00:31:28 --> 00:31:29

open, me and my daughter all the time,

00:31:29 --> 00:31:31

and we would just search it up, and

00:31:31 --> 00:31:33

there was ways of of navigating it. So

00:31:33 --> 00:31:35

it's absolutely accessible, all the information.

00:31:36 --> 00:31:39

Yeah. It's very, very doable. And don't get

00:31:39 --> 00:31:39

intimidated,

00:31:40 --> 00:31:42

okay, by the tech or any of that.

00:31:43 --> 00:31:45

That's the key. We don't get intimidated. Give

00:31:45 --> 00:31:48

yourself grace. Give yourself the time to kind

00:31:48 --> 00:31:50

of work through it and Right. You'll get

00:31:50 --> 00:31:52

there. So that's why I want to say

00:31:52 --> 00:31:53

that. So

00:31:53 --> 00:31:54

the

00:31:54 --> 00:31:57

what you then eventually share after you've created

00:31:57 --> 00:31:59

the landing page and you have the email

00:31:59 --> 00:32:00

set up if you want more details of

00:32:00 --> 00:32:01

this you'll need to get in touch we

00:32:01 --> 00:32:03

have like a whole course on this right?

00:32:03 --> 00:32:04

However

00:32:05 --> 00:32:06

when you've created a landing page and it's

00:32:06 --> 00:32:07

all set up

00:32:07 --> 00:32:09

that landing page has a link

00:32:10 --> 00:32:11

and that

00:32:11 --> 00:32:13

is the link that you share when you

00:32:13 --> 00:32:15

want people to download your thing whatever your

00:32:15 --> 00:32:17

thing is. So you put it on your

00:32:17 --> 00:32:18

website.

00:32:18 --> 00:32:21

If you do any guest posts or guest

00:32:21 --> 00:32:23

blogs on anyone else's platform

00:32:23 --> 00:32:25

you invite people

00:32:25 --> 00:32:26

to get your free thing.

00:32:27 --> 00:32:28

You can have pop ups on your blog

00:32:28 --> 00:32:31

or your website. Pop ups are less popular

00:32:31 --> 00:32:32

now than they used to be, but they're

00:32:32 --> 00:32:33

still a thing. Right?

00:32:34 --> 00:32:35

I think there's a lot of pop up

00:32:35 --> 00:32:37

pop up blockers now,

00:32:37 --> 00:32:39

are very, very common. Back in the day,

00:32:39 --> 00:32:40

they weren't so much. But still, they're still

00:32:40 --> 00:32:42

there. They still work. On Facebook,

00:32:43 --> 00:32:45

you can put a direct link. Tell people

00:32:45 --> 00:32:47

what it is, what your free thing is.

00:32:47 --> 00:32:49

Invite them to take it. Yeah. Give it

00:32:49 --> 00:32:51

give it to them. Like, offer it to

00:32:51 --> 00:32:52

them. Here you go, guys. I've got a

00:32:52 --> 00:32:54

free link to my chapter. I've got a

00:32:54 --> 00:32:57

free, a preview of my book. I'm doing

00:32:57 --> 00:32:58

a master class next weekend.

00:32:59 --> 00:33:01

I have a virtual retreat. I have a

00:33:01 --> 00:33:03

Facebook group where we're doing a challenge. Whatever

00:33:03 --> 00:33:05

the case may be, that link that you

00:33:05 --> 00:33:08

share is the link to your landing page.

00:33:08 --> 00:33:10

You can put that on Facebook in a

00:33:10 --> 00:33:12

direct link. You can put it in Twitter

00:33:12 --> 00:33:13

in a direct link. You can also add

00:33:13 --> 00:33:16

it to your YouTube description and as a

00:33:16 --> 00:33:18

as a as a card on your videos.

00:33:18 --> 00:33:20

On Instagram, you'll need to put the link

00:33:20 --> 00:33:21

in the bio

00:33:21 --> 00:33:24

but in instagram stories you can put a

00:33:24 --> 00:33:25

direct link

00:33:25 --> 00:33:27

and anytime you do interviews

00:33:27 --> 00:33:29

podcast episodes always

00:33:30 --> 00:33:31

direct people to that link.

00:33:32 --> 00:33:34

Don't tell them follow me on Facebook, follow

00:33:34 --> 00:33:36

me on Instagram. That's the stuff I hate

00:33:36 --> 00:33:38

because that doesn't help you. You want them

00:33:38 --> 00:33:40

to start consuming your content and you wanna

00:33:40 --> 00:33:43

bring them into the party, into your house

00:33:43 --> 00:33:44

as soon as you can. Kim Keen, what

00:33:44 --> 00:33:47

do you say about this? Yes. And then

00:33:47 --> 00:33:48

which is something I like in it, but

00:33:48 --> 00:33:50

I'm gonna definitely be working on is once

00:33:50 --> 00:33:51

they're at the party,

00:33:52 --> 00:33:54

offer them things like drink and food and

00:33:54 --> 00:33:55

entertainment because

00:33:56 --> 00:33:58

because once they're at the house and if

00:33:58 --> 00:33:59

the house is all empty and deserted,

00:34:00 --> 00:34:02

and you got nothing going on in there,

00:34:02 --> 00:34:04

the party's got it gets very dry. And

00:34:04 --> 00:34:04

so

00:34:05 --> 00:34:07

meaning that analogy meaning that,

00:34:07 --> 00:34:08

be continuously

00:34:08 --> 00:34:09

supporting your email list.

00:34:12 --> 00:34:14

I love the way you said that. I

00:34:14 --> 00:34:15

think that's really useful to people.

00:34:16 --> 00:34:17

Keep supporting

00:34:17 --> 00:34:20

your email list. Right? So say you have

00:34:21 --> 00:34:23

20 people on your mailing list. Right? You

00:34:23 --> 00:34:25

put out an offer. You're just starting out.

00:34:25 --> 00:34:27

You managed to get 25 people to sign

00:34:27 --> 00:34:29

up. Now when you hear me or other

00:34:29 --> 00:34:31

people talking about, oh, 20,000 k you know,

00:34:31 --> 00:34:34

20 k made in English and style, they

00:34:34 --> 00:34:36

oh, 25 people. That's nothing. I remember Amy

00:34:36 --> 00:34:38

Porterfield, though, sharing this perspective.

00:34:39 --> 00:34:41

When was the last time you had 25

00:34:41 --> 00:34:42

people in your house?

00:34:45 --> 00:34:46

For most of us, well, maybe not most

00:34:46 --> 00:34:47

of us, but for many of us, it

00:34:47 --> 00:34:50

was quite a while ago, especially 25 people

00:34:50 --> 00:34:51

who are strangers,

00:34:51 --> 00:34:53

who are not family, you know, not necessarily

00:34:53 --> 00:34:54

even friends.

00:34:55 --> 00:34:59

So 25 people, they're worth looking after because

00:34:59 --> 00:34:59

they have

00:35:00 --> 00:35:02

expressed confidence in you

00:35:02 --> 00:35:05

that being on being in your party is

00:35:05 --> 00:35:07

not going to be a waste of their

00:35:07 --> 00:35:07

time.

00:35:08 --> 00:35:10

They're going to benefit from it and they

00:35:10 --> 00:35:13

may even enjoy the experience right so they're

00:35:13 --> 00:35:14

kind of giving you

00:35:14 --> 00:35:16

grace and giving you the benefits of the

00:35:16 --> 00:35:17

doubt.

00:35:17 --> 00:35:19

So best thing to do is in your

00:35:19 --> 00:35:20

head

00:35:20 --> 00:35:22

this is exactly what Tamkeen is talking about

00:35:22 --> 00:35:23

because I think it came up in one

00:35:23 --> 00:35:25

of our coaching sessions where I said it's

00:35:25 --> 00:35:25

like

00:35:26 --> 00:35:28

it's like Facebook, Instagram and social media is

00:35:28 --> 00:35:29

like Glastonbury.

00:35:29 --> 00:35:33

Right? It's like some big festival somewhere. Think

00:35:33 --> 00:35:35

about the biggest festival in your town or

00:35:35 --> 00:35:35

your city.

00:35:36 --> 00:35:37

It's a festival happening.

00:35:39 --> 00:35:40

Everyone's there.

00:35:40 --> 00:35:43

Right? Everyone's there. Everyone who's anyone is there.

00:35:43 --> 00:35:44

They're doing their thing.

00:35:45 --> 00:35:46

You now,

00:35:46 --> 00:35:48

if you try to

00:35:48 --> 00:35:50

speak to the people at the festival, right,

00:35:50 --> 00:35:52

and tell them about your thing and give

00:35:52 --> 00:35:54

them the experience that you want them to

00:35:54 --> 00:35:55

have

00:35:55 --> 00:35:56

in that festival.

00:35:57 --> 00:35:58

You're not going to be able to reach

00:35:58 --> 00:36:00

most of the people because there's so many

00:36:00 --> 00:36:02

distractions. There's so many other things for them

00:36:02 --> 00:36:04

to be doing. There's so many other stalls

00:36:04 --> 00:36:05

for them to be visiting.

00:36:05 --> 00:36:07

It's it's a lot. You're competing with a

00:36:07 --> 00:36:07

lot.

00:36:08 --> 00:36:09

But what if you could get

00:36:10 --> 00:36:12

a portion of the people from that festival

00:36:12 --> 00:36:14

to come home to a party at your

00:36:14 --> 00:36:14

house

00:36:15 --> 00:36:17

where you're going to do things your way.

00:36:17 --> 00:36:19

You're gonna feed them the food that you

00:36:19 --> 00:36:21

want to feed them. The decor is what

00:36:21 --> 00:36:22

you want it to be and you're gonna

00:36:22 --> 00:36:24

give them the experience that you want them

00:36:24 --> 00:36:26

to have. Now will you be able to

00:36:26 --> 00:36:29

attract everyone from that big festival to your

00:36:29 --> 00:36:30

house party?

00:36:31 --> 00:36:31

No.

00:36:32 --> 00:36:34

But that's not the point. The point is

00:36:34 --> 00:36:37

that the people who want the experience that

00:36:37 --> 00:36:39

you're offering, they will come to your house

00:36:40 --> 00:36:41

and come to your house party.

00:36:41 --> 00:36:45

So now as Tamkeen said, when people have

00:36:45 --> 00:36:47

opted into your mailing list, your job is

00:36:47 --> 00:36:50

now to look after them, is to nurture

00:36:50 --> 00:36:53

them, is to continue to build that trust,

00:36:53 --> 00:36:56

okay, to continue to make it worth their

00:36:56 --> 00:36:56

while

00:36:57 --> 00:36:58

to be on your list. Now

00:36:59 --> 00:37:01

I know I'm talking like a marketer here

00:37:01 --> 00:37:03

because you know I am a marketer but

00:37:03 --> 00:37:05

there is there is there is a why

00:37:05 --> 00:37:06

to all of this

00:37:07 --> 00:37:08

As authors,

00:37:08 --> 00:37:11

especially as Muslim authors, most of us came

00:37:11 --> 00:37:13

into this game because we had something to

00:37:13 --> 00:37:13

share.

00:37:14 --> 00:37:16

We wanted to serve. We wanted to be

00:37:16 --> 00:37:19

of benefit to the people. Right? Right.

00:37:19 --> 00:37:20

So

00:37:20 --> 00:37:22

one of the main ways that we are

00:37:22 --> 00:37:25

hoping to share and to serve is through

00:37:25 --> 00:37:27

our book. Right? That's why we took the

00:37:27 --> 00:37:28

time to write the book because we thought

00:37:28 --> 00:37:30

that it was worth our while to write

00:37:30 --> 00:37:31

the book.

00:37:31 --> 00:37:34

But if we expect that to be the

00:37:34 --> 00:37:35

only way that we serve,

00:37:36 --> 00:37:37

we

00:37:38 --> 00:37:41

lessen our impact because we haven't built trust

00:37:41 --> 00:37:42

with people beforehand.

00:37:42 --> 00:37:45

We haven't been serving people beforehand. Right? We

00:37:45 --> 00:37:46

haven't been building

00:37:47 --> 00:37:50

relationships and networks and respect and trust

00:37:51 --> 00:37:53

and relate, you know, kind of a relationship.

00:37:53 --> 00:37:55

We've not been building a relationship.

00:37:56 --> 00:37:57

So it's like

00:37:57 --> 00:37:59

people that you don't know, you're not in

00:37:59 --> 00:38:01

a relationship. You know, maybe you're, like, nodding

00:38:01 --> 00:38:02

acquaintance,

00:38:02 --> 00:38:04

and all of a sudden, you've got a

00:38:04 --> 00:38:06

book for 9.99 or 15.99

00:38:06 --> 00:38:09

or £20 or £25, and you're like, here

00:38:09 --> 00:38:11

you go. Take this. And they're like, you

00:38:11 --> 00:38:14

know, I I don't even know you. Like,

00:38:14 --> 00:38:16

like, why would I buy your book? Hello?

00:38:16 --> 00:38:17

Whereas

00:38:18 --> 00:38:20

if these are people we have a relationship

00:38:20 --> 00:38:23

with who have been getting benefit from us,

00:38:23 --> 00:38:25

who now they they know a little bit

00:38:25 --> 00:38:27

about who we are, what we stand for.

00:38:27 --> 00:38:29

They like who we are, what we stand

00:38:29 --> 00:38:32

for. You know, they've benefited from us. Mhmm.

00:38:32 --> 00:38:34

Whether it's a free class, whether it's a

00:38:34 --> 00:38:36

challenge, whether it was a a free ebook

00:38:36 --> 00:38:37

or whatever,

00:38:38 --> 00:38:39

in their heads,

00:38:39 --> 00:38:41

you are a valuable person.

00:38:41 --> 00:38:43

You say valuable things.

00:38:43 --> 00:38:45

So when you have a book now,

00:38:46 --> 00:38:47

it's like

00:38:47 --> 00:38:50

no brainer of course I'm buying that book.

00:38:50 --> 00:38:52

I've been on the sisters list for 6

00:38:52 --> 00:38:54

months for a year and I've changed.

00:38:54 --> 00:38:57

I've benefited. I've learned. I've been inspired, whatever

00:38:57 --> 00:38:59

your thing is.

00:38:59 --> 00:39:01

So, of course, I'm going to get even

00:39:01 --> 00:39:03

more of that by getting the book. Right.

00:39:03 --> 00:39:05

That make sense, Joaquin?

00:39:05 --> 00:39:07

Yeah. It absolutely makes sense. And it also

00:39:07 --> 00:39:09

tells the reader that this person is not

00:39:09 --> 00:39:11

just invested in selling me a book, but

00:39:11 --> 00:39:13

this person has invested me in me as

00:39:13 --> 00:39:15

a reader. So it's almost like and then

00:39:15 --> 00:39:18

I've seen readers who are invested in your

00:39:18 --> 00:39:19

success as well as a writer. So when

00:39:19 --> 00:39:21

your book does come out, they're like, sis,

00:39:21 --> 00:39:23

how can I help you? How can I

00:39:23 --> 00:39:25

support you? And then they're sending your information

00:39:25 --> 00:39:27

now to their people. And so it's it's

00:39:27 --> 00:39:29

a great relationship to build and based on

00:39:29 --> 00:39:31

trust, and and it's based on something sincere.

00:39:31 --> 00:39:32

You know, it's not someone you want to

00:39:32 --> 00:39:34

make a deep rooted, sincere connection with your

00:39:34 --> 00:39:36

reader because they'll stick with you then. You

00:39:36 --> 00:39:38

don't want the readers who are looking for

00:39:38 --> 00:39:39

the free thing and then they leave right

00:39:39 --> 00:39:41

after. You want them to stay stay for

00:39:41 --> 00:39:42

the party.

00:39:42 --> 00:39:44

I promise you, you'll have fun.

00:39:51 --> 00:39:52

100%.

00:39:52 --> 00:39:53

100%.

00:39:53 --> 00:39:54

So

00:39:55 --> 00:39:57

I think the final question, guys, really, is

00:39:57 --> 00:39:59

what method will you use?

00:39:59 --> 00:40:01

That's what you need to think for yourself.

00:40:02 --> 00:40:04

Which method will you use to build your

00:40:04 --> 00:40:04

list?

00:40:06 --> 00:40:08

I I I do not mince my words

00:40:08 --> 00:40:10

about this, and I make no bones about

00:40:10 --> 00:40:10

this.

00:40:11 --> 00:40:14

If you have a product or a service

00:40:14 --> 00:40:15

to to offer

00:40:15 --> 00:40:17

and you are online,

00:40:18 --> 00:40:19

your online presence

00:40:19 --> 00:40:21

should be building

00:40:21 --> 00:40:22

something

00:40:22 --> 00:40:24

that is going to be of benefit to

00:40:24 --> 00:40:26

you offering your product or service. Right?

00:40:27 --> 00:40:29

So many people get sucked into using social

00:40:29 --> 00:40:31

media just as a way to just express

00:40:31 --> 00:40:34

or show things or just have a presence.

00:40:35 --> 00:40:37

Your presence needs to be building something for

00:40:37 --> 00:40:38

you.

00:40:39 --> 00:40:42

That time that you invest in creating posts

00:40:42 --> 00:40:43

and, you know,

00:40:43 --> 00:40:44

curating your pictures and curating your feed and

00:40:44 --> 00:40:47

curating your feed and that kind of thing.

00:40:47 --> 00:40:49

It shouldn't just be for the sake of

00:40:49 --> 00:40:51

the gram, just to look good. It should

00:40:51 --> 00:40:52

be helping you to build

00:40:53 --> 00:40:55

what you need for your bigger impact.

00:40:56 --> 00:40:58

That's my word on that for everyone.

00:41:00 --> 00:41:00

Yeah.

00:41:00 --> 00:41:02

You know, Tamkeen, thank you so much for

00:41:02 --> 00:41:04

co hosting with me. Do you want to

00:41:04 --> 00:41:06

add to anything before we let these good

00:41:06 --> 00:41:07

people go?

00:41:07 --> 00:41:09

Yeah. I just was gonna add say that,

00:41:09 --> 00:41:11

you know, work with intention. Whether you're a

00:41:11 --> 00:41:13

writer and whether you're marketing yourself, always have

00:41:13 --> 00:41:15

this intention in yourself that what is it

00:41:15 --> 00:41:17

that you are trying to achieve. If you

00:41:17 --> 00:41:18

just want the likes and shares, then that

00:41:18 --> 00:41:20

then this then then social media is great

00:41:20 --> 00:41:21

for you. But if you want to be

00:41:21 --> 00:41:24

an authentic writer, an authentic author, you want

00:41:24 --> 00:41:26

to be taken seriously, then take yourself seriously

00:41:27 --> 00:41:28

and put in the time and effort to

00:41:28 --> 00:41:30

invest in that email list. And,

00:41:31 --> 00:41:32

you know, make as well

00:41:33 --> 00:41:35

in that end. You'll you'll feel more authentic

00:41:35 --> 00:41:37

connection than that inshallah.

00:41:37 --> 00:41:38

100%.

00:41:38 --> 00:41:40

Couldn't have said it better myself.

00:41:40 --> 00:41:42

And if you guys are interested in more

00:41:42 --> 00:41:44

of these types of trainings, then the first

00:41:44 --> 00:41:46

thing you need to do definitely is to

00:41:46 --> 00:41:48

join the Muslim and Writers Academy, which is

00:41:48 --> 00:41:50

then opened up. We've opened up the doors

00:41:50 --> 00:41:51

for free.

00:41:51 --> 00:41:53

So we have trainings like this in there.

00:41:53 --> 00:41:55

And if you want a higher level of

00:41:55 --> 00:41:57

support and networking, then you can always join

00:41:57 --> 00:41:58

us in the Amplify,

00:41:59 --> 00:42:02

academy or the amplify mastermind, which is for

00:42:02 --> 00:42:04

authors who want to build their author careers.

00:42:04 --> 00:42:06

In sha Allah. Links will be in the

00:42:06 --> 00:42:07

description.

00:42:07 --> 00:42:09

If not, send me a d m and

00:42:09 --> 00:42:11

let me know. Just say amplify or academy,

00:42:11 --> 00:42:13

whichever one suits you inshallah.

00:42:13 --> 00:42:15

Make sure you follow sis Tamkeen on all

00:42:15 --> 00:42:17

the platforms. And if you have not yet

00:42:17 --> 00:42:19

subscribed to the channel, do so now.

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