Naima B. Robert – Advice for Muslim Women on Desire, Sex and Intimacy Issues @amirahzaky TMC E.9

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The importance of educating men and women on their natural and sexual preferences is emphasized, as it is crucial for managing desire for sex. Precautions are taken to prevent painful experiences and prioritize pleasure, with a focus on scheduling sex and finding it pleasurable for both men and women. A natural development for men to be receptive to love is emphasized, with resources available for women to email for help and resources shared on YouTube. A focus is placed on preventing divorce within the Muslim community, but also helping women overcome struggles with sex.

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			Welcome
		
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			to another marriage conversation.
		
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			And,
		
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			Ameera, zaki, assalamu alaikum.
		
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			I thank you so much for having me.
		
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			It's absolutely wonderful to connect with you again.
		
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			Masha'Allah. We've been privileged to share space many
		
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			times. Alhamdulillah.
		
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			And, you know, it's it's wonderful for me
		
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			to see
		
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			you continue to grow in the work that
		
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			you do.
		
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			And in case there's anyone here who does
		
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			not know the work that you do, will
		
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			you give them the elevator pitch as to
		
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			who Amira Zaki is, and what is it
		
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			that she does, and who does she help?
		
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			So I call myself a * educator, but
		
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			I never envisaged growing up that this is
		
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			the work that I would be doing. But
		
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			I'm grateful that I get to
		
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			I get to do this work alhamdulillah. And
		
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			it all started from my own personal experience
		
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			of going through a condition called vaginismus, which
		
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			we will be talking about in today's,
		
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			in today's discussion inshallah, what vaginismus is. And
		
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			essentially, it started out with me going through
		
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			the condition and then overcoming this difficult condition
		
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			and then helping other women to overcome it.
		
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			And so I started out really being a
		
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			vaginismus coach helping women to overcome this difficult
		
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			situation.
		
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			And from that really seeing that
		
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			the cause of vaginismus is such that there's
		
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			a lack of education with regards to *.
		
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			And so I kind of broadened my role
		
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			and decided that actually I need to
		
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			educate people properly about * within an Islamic
		
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			framework.
		
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			So I I kind of see that I
		
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			have 2 main roles, * educator and Fajunism
		
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			as coach.
		
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			Amazing. I love it. And, subhanAllah, just as
		
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			you're saying,
		
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			before we jumped on this, I put a
		
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			post up, didn't I, on Instagram
		
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			just to ask people questions. You know, I'm
		
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			gonna be speaking to an expert. Do you
		
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			have any questions about, you know, your first
		
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			night, your first time?
		
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			Tons of responses.
		
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			Tons and tons of questions. And, really, as
		
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			you say,
		
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			it points
		
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			to a lack of knowledge that we there's
		
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			this big gap in our knowledge
		
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			within the Muslim community about
		
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			*.
		
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			So
		
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			I guess my big question to you to
		
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			kick us off today is,
		
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			what are we not telling
		
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			What are we not teaching
		
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			our
		
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			girls initially? We can also talk about boys.
		
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			But what are we not teaching our girls
		
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			about *?
		
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			The main thing I feel is that we're
		
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			not teaching
		
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			girls,
		
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			Muslim girls especially,
		
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			that Allah created * for them to enjoy.
		
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			There is a certain prescription
		
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			around *. Yes, like Allah has given us
		
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			certain things that we should follow certain things
		
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			we should abstain from with regards to *,
		
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			definitely.
		
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			But unfortunately, what we're kind of seeing mostly
		
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			in the Muslim community
		
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			is that
		
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			* is this act that you only do
		
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			when you're married, which is correct, but it's
		
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			only for a man's pleasure.
		
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			And it's not something that a woman or
		
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			a girl is meant to enjoy. And I'm
		
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			here to say that actually, that is not
		
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			what true Islam is telling us and teaching
		
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			us
		
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			authentically and traditionally within Islam.
		
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			* Islam is a very * positive religion.
		
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			Yes, there are boundaries less there are certain
		
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			rights responsibilities. Yes, there are certain guidelines that
		
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			we're meant to follow. But essentially, it is
		
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			a positive religion when it comes to *.
		
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			And
		
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			* was created
		
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			for girls for women to enjoy, you know,
		
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			at the right age, when they're mentally and
		
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			physically ready. Obviously, it was created for male
		
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			pleasure too. But I really want girls
		
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			to have that foundation of
		
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			whenever they are of age and they are
		
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			ready to be married and they get to
		
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			enjoy this act of *, that Allah
		
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			created it for their pleasure.
		
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			And in order to experience that pleasure, there
		
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			does need to be education involved.
		
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			There does need to be debunking of any
		
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			myths. There does need to be
		
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			helping
		
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			a girl to understand any fears that she
		
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			has or any questions that she has I'm
		
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			really teaching her about * and about her
		
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			body,
		
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			in a way that isn't shameful, in a
		
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			way that doesn't kind of shut shut down
		
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			her innate curiosity with regards to *? Because
		
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			I think the majority of people on this
		
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			planet at some point in their life start
		
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			to think about *. It's kind of within
		
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			our fitra to start thinking about * and
		
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			our sexuality and about how Allah created our
		
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			body. And we see it all around us,
		
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			like especially if you live in the West.
		
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			We are in this kind of hypersexualized society.
		
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			Whenever you turn on the TV or, you
		
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			know, go on the Internet, there are gonna
		
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			be images and things that you see. And
		
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			I want
		
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			Muslim girls to understand that, you know, that
		
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			is what the media wants you to learn
		
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			about *. But there is a much better
		
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			way of learning about * one that was
		
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			created
		
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			specifically
		
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			for you.
		
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			And it can be an enjoyable
		
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			experience to educate yourself
		
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			about this one aspect of your life.
		
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			The Internet dropped. Oh my goodness. No worries.
		
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			That's okay. I'm not sure where I got
		
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			up here.
		
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			Okay. Let me pull
		
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			So when a girl's
		
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			ready to be married, I really want a
		
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			girl before she reaches
		
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			before she reaches marriage, I want her to
		
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			feel ready for whenever she does have first
		
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			time * in that marriage. I don't want
		
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			her to be going into that marriage,
		
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			dreading her kind of so called wedding night
		
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			or dreading her first time experience.
		
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			Because what we are still seeing in this
		
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			day and age is that there are a
		
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			lot of stories about first time *, specifically
		
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			with regards to pain. If you are a
		
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			woman, that first time * is meant to
		
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			be painful. And I'm a strong believer that
		
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			it's not it's not meant to be painful.
		
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			If you have the right education
		
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			about your body, it is very much possible
		
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			for for a female to experience pain free
		
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			first time *. And that is what I
		
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			am a big advocate for is really educating
		
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			a girl to be mentally and physically ready
		
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			for that first time.
		
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			Because what we are seeing in the Muslim
		
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			community is that
		
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			if a Muslim is able to wait until
		
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			they're married to have *, which is a
		
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			difficult thing to do. But if they are
		
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			able to do it and may Allah help
		
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			them to do that, if they are able
		
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			to do it, typically what we're seeing is
		
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			that
		
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			men
		
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			are looking forward to their first time,
		
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			whereas women are kind of feeling the opposite.
		
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			They're kind of dreading their wedding night or
		
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			dreading first time *. And it's unfortunate because
		
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			of it's those stories and those narratives that
		
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			we are still teaching our girls that it's
		
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			meant to be painful. It's just supposed to
		
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			hurt.
		
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			Whereas actually, that's not true.
		
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			I want girls to be feeling the same
		
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			way as men I want. I want women
		
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			to be feeling the same way as men
		
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			for their 1st night, I want them to
		
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			be thinking, I can't wait to get married.
		
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			I can't wait to enjoy this experience with
		
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			my new husband. I want them to be
		
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			looking forward to it. And that comes from
		
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			the right education.
		
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			And education, I believe,
		
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			is so important to help us with overcoming
		
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			those fears that we may have with regards
		
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			to *.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			Yeah. This is great, guys.
		
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			Comment below
		
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			what your thoughts are on this, because
		
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			it is something that, obviously,
		
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			if you look at it, it makes sense.
		
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			Obviously, you know, we're all grown. We know
		
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			that's Allah
		
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			created *. It's pleasurable.
		
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			It it's there's barakah in it. You know,
		
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			it's ibadah. All of these amazing things.
		
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			But it's almost like
		
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			we can't get to grips with that in
		
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			the real world context in a halal way.
		
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			You know, we're all used to
		
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			* as a kind of
		
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			smutty thing and, like, you know, like, a
		
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			bit dirty Mhmm. But not so much as
		
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			you're saying in this really kind of wholesome
		
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			way. Because if a girl did say, I
		
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			am so looking forward to my wedding night,
		
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			you know, people will be looking at her
		
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			like, giving her the side eye and say,
		
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			especially if she's a virgin. But Yeah. As
		
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			you say, it is an issue of of,
		
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			of education,
		
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			and perspective. And it's interesting that you mentioned
		
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			fear because I'm just reading through these questions.
		
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			Listen to these questions about the first night.
		
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			So how should the wife prepare for her
		
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			first time?
		
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			I have lots of questions to ask.
		
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			How to start, who should make the first
		
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			move, and how how to react if the
		
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			first move makes me uncomfortable.
		
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			Is intimacy on that night expected?
		
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			What tips would you give on how to
		
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			discuss intimacy with him? Is it okay healthy
		
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			to have * on the 1st night or
		
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			should I wait? Does it have to be
		
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			on the wedding night? Does this have any
		
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			Islamic value?
		
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			I'm I'm hearing some fear coming through. I'm
		
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			hearing some hesitancy.
		
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			What should we
		
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			what should we be preparing for on our
		
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			1st night anyway?
		
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			So it's so interesting because what we are
		
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			still seeing in the Muslim community is that
		
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			most parents are raising their children,
		
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			with this narrative perhaps of
		
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			we don't talk about * in this house.
		
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			* is bad, * is shameful,
		
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			and don't have * until you're married.
		
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			And then there is at the same time
		
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			this expectation that when you are married, you're
		
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			expected to have lots of *. Or, you
		
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			know, if you're a girl, you're kind of
		
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			expected to give * to your husband as
		
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			if * is something to give. But that's
		
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			still the narrative. And so I find it
		
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			really interesting
		
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			when you ponder upon that that,
		
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			you know, you're not you're not meant to
		
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			talk about *, you're not meant to learn
		
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			about *. And then when you're married, you're
		
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			meant to know everything. To know everything. Exactly.
		
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			You're meant to drop everything and then have
		
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			* immediately on that wedding line. So
		
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			a lot of those questions were, is intimacy
		
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			expected?
		
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			In short, the answer is yes as expected.
		
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			But really that isn't the right question. The
		
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			question should be Islamically, what does it say
		
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			about are we kind of meant to have
		
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			* on that first night? And the answer
		
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			is no, you don't have to have *
		
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			on that first night on the actual night
		
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			of your wedding. You can if you want
		
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			to and if you feel mentally and physically
		
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			ready, again, that will come from having the
		
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			right education beforehand.
		
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			But if you are newly married and you
		
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			kind of perhaps got to know your spouse
		
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			in that kind of traditional way,
		
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			you probably won't feel mentally and physically ready
		
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			on that actual night. You might want to
		
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			continue getting to know your new spouse,
		
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			before you feel mentally and physically ready to
		
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			have first time * with him or her.
		
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			So
		
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			in terms of
		
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			*, it doesn't need to be on the
		
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			actual wedding night. It can be a few
		
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			days later, a few weeks later. It could
		
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			even be a few months later. There is
		
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			nothing in Islam. There is nothing in, you
		
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			know, the Quran or the authentic sunnah or
		
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			hadith that stipulates that it must happen by
		
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			a certain day or a certain time. There
		
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			is no time limit for consummation of the
		
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			marriage. The marriage is still valid and it
		
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			really is very dependent
		
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			on the couple.
		
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			So some couples might be ready immediately and
		
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			some will need more time and none of
		
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			the like, there is no right or wrong
		
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			there. It really is. If you stop, stop
		
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			and think about the act of * is
		
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			a two way thing.
		
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			So it doesn't make sense for just one
		
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			person to be ready because
		
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			it's going to involve another person. You're not
		
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			going to have * on your own. So
		
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			it doesn't matter if you're ready on your
		
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			own. It needs to be that the other
		
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			person is ready too.
		
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			And really see * as kind of like
		
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			teamwork between you and your spouse. If you're
		
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			ready, but your spouse isn't. So let's say,
		
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			for example, the man in this context happens
		
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			to be ready mentally and physically and really
		
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			wants to have first time * with his
		
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			new wife. But the wife in this context
		
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			isn't ready. She doesn't feel mentally ready or
		
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			physically ready.
		
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			The husband should be thinking, what can I
		
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			do to
		
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			bring up my wife to my level? I'm
		
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			physically ready, mentally ready. How can I help
		
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			her? What fears does she have? What does
		
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			she want to talk about, to help prepare
		
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			her? What can I do to really support
		
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			her and bring her there? Because it is
		
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			teamwork like marriage is marriage is teamwork. And
		
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			so this one part of your marriage *
		
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			is going to need to involve teamwork to
		
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			help both of you be on the same
		
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			page and sharper.
		
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			Sounds like what you're saying is that this
		
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			education that we need is not just for
		
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			girls. This is for for guys as well.
		
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			Absolutely.
		
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			Absolutely. So if that I'm thinking the more
		
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			that a young man understands
		
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			about what we're talking about, you know, what
		
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			what the role of * is, you know,
		
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			you know, what * means for a woman,
		
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			you know, woman's pleasure, etcetera, etcetera.
		
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			I'm wondering whether that will equip him to
		
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			even have this conversation because I'm just because
		
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			I'm just imagining a scenario where a boy
		
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			doesn't know anything about what we're talking about
		
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			Mhmm. And his wife is scared.
		
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			He wouldn't even have the vocabulary, you know.
		
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			He wouldn't even have
		
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			the ability to have a conversation with her
		
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			about it. I think he would just probably
		
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			feel very sort of frustrated and rejected and
		
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			and not understand, well, why doesn't she want
		
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			me? Do you know what I mean?
		
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			Education.
		
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			I feel like,
		
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			when you asked me what do girls need
		
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			to know, I forgot to say that really
		
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			girls need to educate themselves about their bodies
		
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			and about * and about the desire for
		
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			* and how to manage their desire for
		
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			*. If you know that they've made the
		
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			decision that I want to follow Allah's prescription
		
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			for * and I want to wait until
		
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			I'm married to have * for the first
		
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			time. How do I manage my natural desire
		
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			for * that I may have before I'm
		
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			married? How do I manage that in a
		
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			healthy hollow way? That also applies to boys
		
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			as well and to men as well, that
		
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			they need to educate themselves about their own
		
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			bodies. They need to educate themselves about how
		
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			to manage their desire for * before they're
		
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			married. And they also need to educate themselves
		
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			about the experience of the opposite * of
		
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			their future wife. So you don't just need
		
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			to learn about things, from the lens of
		
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			your own gender. You can also learn about
		
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			things from the opposite gender, too. And that
		
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			also applies to girls. Girls can need to
		
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			understand
		
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			the male sexual anatomy, the male sexual response
		
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			or desire for *,
		
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			and know that there are different types of
		
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			desire and this applies to males and females.
		
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			The the two main types of desire, they're
		
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			known as spontaneous desire and responsive desire. Most
		
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			people are familiar with spontaneous desire. They may
		
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			not know it has that term, but I'll
		
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			briefly explain what it is. Spontaneous desire typically
		
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			happens when you have that kind of feeling
		
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			of initial attraction perhaps towards someone or maybe
		
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			something you see an image you see and
		
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			you feel a desire. You maybe feel a
		
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			physical response within your body and you know
		
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			that you are perhaps sexually turned on or
		
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			sexually aroused. And you desire to be intimate
		
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			sexually with someone that is spontaneous as I
		
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			kind of happens immediately spontaneously.
		
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			The other type of desire is known as
		
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			responsive desire
		
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			where it's very dependent
		
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			on the context the person is in. Both
		
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			types of desire spontaneous and responsive can apply
		
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			to men and women.
		
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			With responsive desire, it's not from an initial
		
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			spark or initial attraction to someone. It's someone
		
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			feeling safe, feeling comfortable, feeling relaxed,
		
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			having the right environment physically around them, but
		
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			also being in the right mental and emotional
		
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			environment. When all those things are in place,
		
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			they then respond positively to those different stimuli,
		
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			and then they start to feel sexually aroused
		
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			and desire *.
		
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			So,
		
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			both girls and boys need to know that
		
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			because typically what we're noticing is that
		
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			females tend to experience more responsive desire and
		
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			men tend to experience more spontaneous desire. But
		
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			it is possible for women to have spontaneous
		
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			and it is possible for for men to
		
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			experience responsive. So it is definitely
		
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			fluid and dynamic. But I feel like if
		
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			boys especially and men especially understand that that
		
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			oh, my future wife
		
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			may experience more responsive desire. She may not
		
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			have the same desire where, you know, when
		
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			I look at my wife, I'm instantly attracted
		
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			and want to have * on the spot.
		
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			She may not feel that way.
		
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			And if she does experience more responsive desire,
		
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			what can I do as the husband to
		
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			give her the right stimuli, the right environment,
		
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			physically the right environment, mentally, emotionally
		
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			to help her become sexually turned on? So
		
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			that is definitely really important.
		
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			And * education is gender neutral. We need
		
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			to be teaching our boys about it, our
		
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			young men about it, just like we need
		
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			to be teaching our girls and young women
		
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			about it.
		
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			Amazing.
		
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			So
		
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			we've talked about the kind of, you know,
		
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			maybe jitters, wedding night nerves, you know, just
		
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			just
		
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			the shyness, those types of things that could
		
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			potentially lead, someone to to not feel ready,
		
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			on their at their from their first time.
		
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			But some couples really struggle,
		
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			on their first time. Don't they? It's not
		
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			so much that they don't want to. It's
		
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			that they can't. Mhmm. Talk to us a
		
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			little bit about that that situation.
		
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			Yeah. So this situation that you're describing is
		
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			a lot more common than people
		
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			imagine.
		
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			I'll give you a kind of story from
		
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			my own personal experience.
		
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			I, as I mentioned, I went through something
		
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			called vaginismus, which I'll talk about in a
		
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			moment. But I basically wasn't able to consummate
		
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			my marriage or have * for the first
		
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			time on my wedding night. So I was
		
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			kind of raised to I waited until I
		
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			got married with Hamzalah to try and experience
		
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			first time * with my new husband.
		
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			And on that wedding night,
		
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			we tried to have * and it was
		
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			very difficult and very painful.
		
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			And actually, in the lead up to my
		
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			wedding night, I remember so before I was
		
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			married, I remember thinking, Oh my God, in
		
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			a few months time I'm going to be
		
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			married.
		
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			And, I remember hearing stories when I was
		
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			a teenager
		
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			that first time * for a girl or
		
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			first time * for a woman is going
		
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			to be really painful. There may even be
		
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			blood involved.
		
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			And so I naturally started to feel really
		
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			nervous and worried and scared actually for first
		
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			time *, worried that, oh my God, I'm
		
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			going to have to go through pain. The
		
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			majority of humans never want to experience pain
		
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			and I felt really scared.
		
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			So here I was newly married, trying to
		
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			have * for the first time. And it
		
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			was exactly like those stories have told me.
		
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			It was really painful.
		
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			So much so that, and I'm gonna use
		
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			words that we need to become more comfortable
		
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			with. I'm gonna use words like penis and
		
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			* so much so that my husband's penis
		
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			wasn't able to go inside my * because
		
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			of how painful it was. And at first
		
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			I didn't understand why I didn't know what
		
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			was going on in my body.
		
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			And I kind of just thought, okay, everyone
		
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			warned me about this. Everyone told me that
		
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			it's kind of meant to hurt. And so
		
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			I accepted it. And then
		
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			because it was so painful, I said to
		
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			my husband, look, we can't go any further,
		
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			let's stop. And my husband was understanding. He
		
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			kind of put it down to the first
		
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			time nerves and we did stop and we
		
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			said, we'll try again another day.
		
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			So we waited a little while and we
		
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			tried again and the same thing happened. But
		
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			this time it felt so much worse because
		
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			my brain was remembering that first experience of
		
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			pain. And so
		
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			I didn't notice, but my whole body was
		
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			tensing up. My legs started to shake. And
		
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			when we did try again, the same thing
		
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			happened. We weren't able to have * again.
		
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			And this continued for weeks months
		
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			and it started to put a really big
		
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			strain on our marriage.
		
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			And again, we were clueless. We didn't know
		
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			why this was happening. We didn't know how
		
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			to help ourselves. My husband didn't really understand
		
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			what was going on.
		
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			It continued to put that strain on our
		
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			marriage emotionally and mentally and even spiritually.
		
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			And
		
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			it kind of a year went by and
		
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			my husband and I ended up having a
		
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			conversation
		
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			where he essentially said to me, look, Amira,
		
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			I don't really know how to help you.
		
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			I don't know how to help you overcome
		
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			your fear. I don't know how
		
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			to make it less pain.
		
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			I don't know how to make it less
		
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			painful for you, but I don't know how
		
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			long we're going to continue living like this.
		
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			And if we live like this for many
		
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			more months and many years, we're probably going
		
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			to end up getting divorced from this.
		
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			And he didn't say it in a threatening
		
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			way. He just kind of said it in
		
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			this realistic way where he was doing everything
		
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			he caught, he did. He was supporting me.
		
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			He was being patient, but he literally didn't
		
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			know what else to do.
		
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			And so after that, I had to make
		
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			the decision myself that
		
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			I need to find a way to treat
		
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			myself. I need to find a way to
		
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			overcome this.
		
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			And I felt too embarrassed and ashamed to
		
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			go and, you know, seek medical help.
		
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			And the reason for that is I knew
		
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			that if I went to see my doctor,
		
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			they may want to kind of check me
		
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			physically down there. And I felt too scared
		
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			about that. So I was like, okay, let
		
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			me go on the internet. Let me try
		
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			and treat myself.
		
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			And so I started searching online for solutions
		
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			to painful *. And through that research, I
		
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			came across the term vaginismus.
		
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			When I read about what vaginismus was,
		
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			it was like a light bulb moment. I
		
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			felt this huge sense of relief that, oh
		
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			my God, finally, I'm I understand what I'm
		
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			going through now that there's a medical term
		
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			for this condition I'm going through. And it
		
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			immediately made me feel less alone because up
		
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			until that point, I felt like I was
		
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			abnormal. I felt like I was the only
		
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			woman who can't have * on this planet.
		
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			That's how I felt. And
		
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			I read about vaginismus and I, and essentially
		
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			let me talk about what it is now.
		
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			Vaginismus
		
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			is a condition in which a woman's pelvic
		
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			floor muscles.
		
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			So the pelvic floor muscles are the muscles
		
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			that surround your *.
		
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			So in vaginismus,
		
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			the pelvic floor muscles
		
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			contract
		
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			automatically
		
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			in voluntarily.
		
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			And when those pelvic floor muscles contract,
		
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			it makes the * really narrow.
		
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			I didn't know that that was happening to
		
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			me until I read about vaginismus.
		
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			And you can imagine if the * is
		
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			becoming narrow
		
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			now, if something's trying to go in such
		
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			as during penetrative *, it's gonna be painful
		
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			and difficult. There's gonna be that friction due
		
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			to the narrowing of the *
		
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			from those pelvic floor muscles contracting.
		
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			So this is what was happening to me.
		
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			I was experiencing vaginismus and it felt good
		
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			to know that it had a name to
		
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			it.
		
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			And then I started thinking, okay, this is
		
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			what I'm going through.
		
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			Surely there must be a way to treat
		
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			it. There must be a way to overcome
		
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			it. And that really came from
		
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			starting the journey of educating myself about *.
		
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			I didn't realize that was like what, that
		
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			was what I was doing, but that's really
		
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			where my journey
		
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			towards * education for myself started is I
		
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			had to educate myself about my own body,
		
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			about my female sexual anatomy. I had to
		
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			educate myself about
		
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			how do I now get these muscles to
		
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			relax if the issue is that they're contracting
		
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			on their own. How do I consciously
		
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			get them to be relaxed so that my
		
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			* is nice and wide and open for
		
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			pain free penetration?
		
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			And so I took that journey. I eventually
		
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			was able to overcome it. I was eventually
		
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			able to have
		
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			pain free * with my husband truly for
		
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			the first time.
		
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			So I'm saying that because how long after
		
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			was that? How long after? Subhanallah, it literally
		
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			took me about
		
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			4 or 5 weeks to overcome it, which
		
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			is a short amount of time. For most
		
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			women, it takes a bit longer. But for
		
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			me, it was like it just was like
		
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			that. I don't know how to describe it.
		
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			It was like the initial education.
		
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			So actually I say 4 or 5 weeks,
		
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			but maybe it was longer actually. It was
		
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			4 or 5 weeks once I bought myself
		
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			a set of tools. They're known as dilators.
		
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			They're essentially like tampons, but they come from,
		
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			like, really small sizes, and then they kind
		
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			of gradually increase. It was from the moment
		
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			I ordered those dilators and received the dilators
		
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			and started using them. From then, it's when
		
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			it took me 4 to 5 weeks.
		
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			But How long after your marriage was that?
		
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			So how many That was more than a
		
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			year later. More than a year. So at
		
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			least a year and a half after my
		
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			marriage.
		
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			So
		
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			I was then I treated myself,
		
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			and that treatment wasn't just physical treatment using
		
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			the dilators. That was one part of it.
		
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			But it was also,
		
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			you know, I didn't realize I was doing
		
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			this, but I was also,
		
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			healing myself mentally from those fears and those
		
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			myths that I believed about *.
		
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			And
		
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			I was then able to finally have
		
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			true first time *
		
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			in a completely pain free way. And why
		
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			I say true first time is because
		
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			the previous times when I tried to have
		
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			first time * when they were painful,
		
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			I don't see it as
		
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			my true first time. I saw it as
		
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			kind of like
		
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			something that I wasn't meant to experience. I
		
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			wasn't meant to experience painful first time *,
		
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			but I did And it was painful because
		
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			of the lack of education.
		
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			And so once I had the right education
		
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			and I treated myself and my husband's penis
		
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			was finally able to fully go in my
		
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			*.
		
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			And I saw for myself, wow, there is
		
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			no pain. I take that as my true
		
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			first time. And that is what I want
		
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			for every single woman
		
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			is to, if they're not married, to go
		
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			into a marriage with the right education about
		
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			her body, knowing how to relax her pelvic
		
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			floor muscles
		
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			and experience
		
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			true pain free first time *.
		
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			And,
		
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			when I eventually told my family about it,
		
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			and so I didn't tell them initially, I
		
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			told them many years later,
		
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			I told my siblings initially before my parents
		
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			when I told them,
		
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			and I remember I was, I was telling
		
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			them because it was one of my younger
		
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			sisters, she was about to be married.
		
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			And for some reason, one of them asked
		
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			me, what was your first time like? And
		
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			I said to one of my siblings,
		
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			I couldn't have * on my wedding night.
		
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			And they were shocked. They were like, what?
		
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			Like, what do you mean you couldn't have
		
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			*? And I was like, it was I
		
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			didn't have no idea.
		
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			No, exactly. I said,
		
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			look, it just, it couldn't happen. It was
		
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			too painful. And I went through this condition
		
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			called vaginismus and I explained it to them
		
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			and they were surprised. And actually they were
		
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			shocked. They were like, why didn't you tell
		
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			us? We would have, you know, helped you,
		
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			all of that kind of stuff. I would
		
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			have been shocked too. Yeah. Exactly. Laugh of
		
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			not of not nothing, just pretending like everything
		
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			is yep. Everything's fine. Everything's normal. Yeah. Your
		
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			mom never asked you. Your aunties never asked
		
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			you after the fact. How was it? Are
		
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			you okay or anything like that? No. They
		
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			didn't. Yeah. No. They didn't. And I and
		
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			I don't blame them for that. My mom
		
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			was raised you know, she grew up in
		
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			Thailand and, you know, I suppose even in
		
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			Thailand, she wasn't raised Muslim, but she is
		
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			now.
		
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			Even in Thailand, I think it's a topic
		
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			that you discuss, you know, talking about *.
		
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			And the same with my dad. He grew
		
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			up in Egypt. You know, he never spoke
		
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			to me about *. I'm not gonna ask
		
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			you. That's a that's a good one.
		
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			Exactly. So no, neither of my parents or
		
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			family members or anyone asked me initially. I
		
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			think they just assumed
		
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			that it would all be fine. They I
		
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			think they just assumed that
		
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			I was no longer a virgin. I think
		
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			that was the assumption that they made, but
		
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			they didn't ask me how it was.
		
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			But yeah, no, alhamdulillah. And so I think
		
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			what the point I was trying to make
		
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			through sharing this whole story is that
		
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			there is this there is so much expectation
		
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			on Muslim couples to do it on their
		
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			1st night, to have * for the first
		
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			time on that night. And of course you
		
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			can. It's now halal for you to have
		
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			*,
		
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			but only do it. Only have
		
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			only
		
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			only engage in your first sexual experience with
		
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			your new spouse.
		
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			If both of you are ready mentally, emotionally,
		
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			spiritually, physically,
		
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			And if 1 or both of you are
		
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			not, work together, you're now in this marriage,
		
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			you're now a team, work together
		
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			to raise each other up, to get to
		
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			that same point where you're both on the
		
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			same page, because that is going to be
		
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			a much more
		
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			pleasant,
		
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			pleasurable,
		
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			enjoyable,
		
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			intimate experience.
		
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			When you do engage in it, it will
		
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			be so much more worth it, inshallah,
		
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			rather than going through the frustration
		
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			and disappointment of your first time because of
		
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			the lack of education and the lack of
		
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			teamwork
		
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			is bringing each other to the same page.
		
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			But on that note, what I do want
		
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			to say is
		
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			I feel like * is a skill.
		
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			And
		
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			initially your first few times when you have
		
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			*, it may not be what you imagine.
		
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			It may not feel the way you expect.
		
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			You may not experience
		
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			this amazing kind of mind blowing pleasure. You
		
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			may not experience * and all of that
		
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			is normal. It's going to require you to
		
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			take time to, you know, tune into your
		
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			body, know what works for your body, work
		
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			together with your spouse,
		
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			play with each other, have fun with each
		
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			other's bodies. You now get to be intimate
		
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			in this way,
		
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			that you can't be intimate that way with
		
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			anyone else. So just take your time with
		
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			it. It doesn't have to be perfect.
		
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			* is not a performance.
		
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			* is really this experience and it really
		
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			is a spiritual experience now that you're married
		
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			because
		
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			when you are engaging in sexual intimacy with
		
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			your spouse,
		
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			you are being rewarded for it. Even if
		
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			you know, the act of * doesn't happen.
		
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			If you are being sexual with some with
		
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			your spouse, you are being rewarded for that.
		
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			If you are thinking about how can I
		
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			give, how can I make this more pleasurable
		
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			for my spouse? How can I also,
		
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			how can I also receive pleasure and being
		
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			willing to receive pleasure? And I think this
		
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			applies a lot more to women than men,
		
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			but it can be both ways
		
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			is seeing * as this act between 2
		
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			people, but also seeing *
		
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			as a giving and receiving, which I think
		
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			is the essence of marriage is being able
		
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			to give
		
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			as much as receive, and that definitely applies
		
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			to to to *. Alhamdulillah.
		
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			I remember,
		
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			last time we had a conference, and I
		
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			if I remember correctly, it was it was
		
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			in that talk that you talked about
		
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			a woman's
		
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			responsibility
		
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			in that sexual relationship
		
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			to understand herself
		
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			and understand
		
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			I remember you were talking about, you know,
		
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			understanding
		
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			what gets you to that place and taking
		
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			responsibility for that. Do you wanna just talk
		
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			a little bit about that?
		
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			Yeah. So I was saying that I I
		
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			really believe that it's a woman's responsibility
		
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			to prioritize her *.
		
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			But actually more than that, it's really prioritized
		
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			pleasure.
		
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			I think a lot of Muslim women have
		
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			been raised to believe that
		
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			* isn't something that was created for them.
		
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			It was created for
		
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			a man's * or
		
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			male pleasure.
		
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			And it's not necessary for you as the
		
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			woman to experience pleasure and it doesn't matter
		
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			if you as the woman don't experience *.
		
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			None of that comes from Islam.
		
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			Islam
		
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			teaches us that Allah created * for both
		
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			male and female pleasure. If you dive into
		
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			authentic sources, dive into what the Quran and
		
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			the sunnah and the Hadith say about pleasure,
		
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			it's really that pleasure was created for both
		
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			the man and the woman. And so
		
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			when you understand that as a woman, it's
		
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			important to prioritize that. And
		
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			remember that Allah created * for your pleasure
		
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			as a woman. And so if Allah created
		
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			* for your pleasure as a woman, you
		
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			need to go and seek it. You need
		
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			to go and seek it out.
		
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			So I remember
		
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			when you delivered a talk and you were
		
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			talking about a woman's responsibility
		
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			for
		
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			her own kind of her own sexual state
		
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			and her part in that sexual relationship,
		
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			and how, you know, her being aware of
		
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			what turns her on,
		
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			of what gets her to that place, what
		
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			gets her in the mood
		
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			allows it actually empowers her
		
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			to feel sexual
		
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			without the need for, for example, her husband
		
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			to necessarily
		
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			perform x, y, and zed. Mhmm. And I
		
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			remember, you know, I I firstly, for me,
		
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			it really it kind of made so much
		
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			sense because so many of us as women
		
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			obviously, we complain about not being in the
		
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			mood. Right?
		
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			And, like, it's like he always wants it,
		
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			but it's I'm not in the mood
		
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			because it's all up here. And when you
		
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			said
		
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			taking responsibility
		
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			for your own part that you play in
		
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			that dance, it made so much sense to
		
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			me. And I think if if more women
		
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			understood what that means and were able to
		
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			kind of leverage their ability
		
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			to get themselves to that place, I think
		
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			maybe would avoid a lot of the kind
		
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			of mismatch in sexual desire between men and
		
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			women. But just explain what you meant by
		
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			that sort of a woman taking responsibility for
		
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			her own kind of her the the role
		
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			she plays in the sexual relationship.
		
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			Yeah. So what we're seeing obviously is that
		
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			most,
		
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			most men, regardless of religion really, most men
		
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			have kind of been programmed that * was
		
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			created for them and their pleasure.
		
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			If you're programmed that way, it's a belief
		
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			that you have. So imagine that you're a
		
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			man and you're programmed that when you have
		
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			*, it's meant to be pleasurable for you.
		
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			You're meant to * an * and it's
		
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			meant to feel really good. And so men
		
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			believe that, oh, wow, * was created for
		
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			me. I meant to experience pleasure. I meant
		
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			to * and it's meant to feel really
		
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			good. So they great. Yeah. So they they
		
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			they go into some men go into a
		
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			sexual experience with their wives
		
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			expecting it to feel good and they will
		
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			do
		
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			whatever they need to do with their wife,
		
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			whatever stimulation they need to receive from their
		
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			wife.
		
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			They will
		
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			they will expect it, but not necessarily demand
		
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			it. You know, most husbands are good. They
		
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			won't demand it, but they will have that
		
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			expectation
		
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			and they usually
		
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			will communicate with their wife before or during,
		
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			or, you know, move their body in a
		
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			certain way to bring themselves to pleasure and
		
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			lead them to *
		
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			because they have the belief.
		
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			Women, on the other hand, girls on the
		
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			other hand, have not been taught that have
		
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			not been taught that * was created for
		
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			them, that * is meant to be pleasurable
		
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			for you,
		
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			and that you're meant to *.
		
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			But what's important for women is to start
		
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			believing that * was created by Allah for
		
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			your pleasure. So start programming yourself just like
		
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			men were programmed by society.
		
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			Society did the opposite to females but we
		
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			need to,
		
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			we need to debunk that
		
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			and go back to the true source and
		
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			say, okay, Allah
		
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			created * for me. And if you want
		
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			the evidence, go and do your research. There
		
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			is evidence in the Quran and the sunnah.
		
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			The fact that the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi
		
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			wasallam enjoyed sexual pleasure with his wives, but
		
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			equally
		
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			his wives
		
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			experienced pleasure
		
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			with their husband the prophet Muhammad SAWSAWN.
		
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			So you as a woman need to emulate
		
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			that. We are, you know, or as
		
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			as Muslims, we are all trying to emulate
		
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			the prophet. And it's not just the fact
		
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			that he was a man and thinking, yes,
		
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			he was meant to experience pleasure, but his
		
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			wives also experienced pleasure. So we as women
		
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			need to be emulating that they are our
		
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			role models.
		
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			So
		
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			start with the belief that Allah created *
		
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			for me. If I'm a woman, I need
		
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			to believe Allah created * for me. Allah
		
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			created * for me to experience pleasure. Allah
		
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			created * for me to experience * if
		
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			I'm able to. When you start with that,
		
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			you then will start thinking, okay, what is
		
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			it that I need to know? What does
		
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			it need to know about my body or
		
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			any kind of bits of education with regards
		
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			to *? What is it that will help
		
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			me experience that pleasure that Allah created for
		
00:35:06 --> 00:35:08
			me? It is very much possible. You need
		
00:35:08 --> 00:35:10
			to believe that it can be your reality
		
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			to experience pleasure. But there may be certain
		
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			things that you don't know about your body.
		
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			So go on that journey of educating yourself
		
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			about your body and being willing to experiment
		
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			with your husband with regards to finding what
		
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			works for you and your unique self and
		
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			unique body.
		
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			And in terms of prioritising pleasure, I really
		
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			believe that if more women
		
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			prioritise pleasure, prioritise their * in the context
		
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			of * with their husband,
		
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			they will enjoy * more. They will not
		
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			see * as a chore because * is
		
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			not meant to be a chore. They will
		
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			finally experience amazing, an amazing * life with
		
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			their husband and they will naturally start to
		
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			desire it more. Just like if you
		
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			eat a really delicious cake,
		
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			you will desire that cake more. You will
		
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			crave that cake more. The same applies to
		
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			*. If you experience really pleasurable * with
		
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			your spouse, you will naturally want to experience
		
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			that more and more. So prioritize your *,
		
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			prioritize pleasure. And I really feel like it
		
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			will make such a difference to your marriage
		
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			because
		
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			*
		
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			is a big part of marriage. Your sexuality
		
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			is a big part of marriage. Obviously, it's
		
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			not the only thing, but it is a
		
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			big thing. And I find that when there
		
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			are issues sexually within the marriage, it can
		
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			usually have
		
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			negative knock on effects to other areas of
		
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			your marriage. And so really
		
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			like not kind of I think a lot
		
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			of women tend to see * as this
		
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			thing that's not very important.
		
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			And I will kind of just have *
		
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			with my husband whenever he wants it. And
		
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			it's not that important. Actually, * is a
		
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			big foundation in your marriage. And so start
		
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			seeing it as something that I need to
		
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			prioritize.
		
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			One thing that will help women prioritize it
		
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			more is
		
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			remembering and reminding yourself that
		
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			* in your marriage is an act of
		
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			worship.
		
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			We are rewarded when we do any act
		
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			of worship, praying, reading Quran, fasting, giving charity.
		
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			* is equally an act of worship. So
		
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			it is very important to
		
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			educate yourself about it, prioritise it and know
		
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			that you are being rewarded.
		
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			And I have found that when I went
		
00:37:07 --> 00:37:08
			from that place and understood that
		
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			it really helped my connection with Allah SubhanAllah
		
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			because
		
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			when I was able to experience more pleasure
		
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			and * in my marriage,
		
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			I
		
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			felt kind of in awe of Allah's generosity.
		
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			That
		
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			Allah
		
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			wants me to feel this good
		
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			and he's rewarding me for it in this
		
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			life and the next.
		
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			That's amazing. Like really when you think yeah,
		
00:37:33 --> 00:37:34
			exactly. So
		
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			I think that that's the message I want
		
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			women to start,
		
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			programming themselves with is * was created for
		
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			me as a woman
		
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			and
		
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			I'm going to do whatever it takes to
		
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			find out how to make * pleasurable and
		
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			*. And I'm going to communicate with my
		
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			husband and we're going to work as a
		
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			team.
		
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			And
		
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			insha'Allah,
		
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			just watch
		
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			how many positive effects it has in your
		
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			marriage.
		
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			I absolutely love that. And I think if
		
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			I remember correctly,
		
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			we talked about, before about 2 different kinds
		
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			of, of desire,
		
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			spontaneous desire and responsive
		
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			desire.
		
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			So for example, if a woman knows that
		
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			she's more inclined to the responsive desire,
		
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			and, for example,
		
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			she needs to
		
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			smell
		
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			nice in order for her to feel in
		
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			the mood. Right? Or she needs to be
		
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			clean
		
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			because you know? Or or she needs the
		
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			lights low or she needs certain smells. Yeah.
		
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			I remember you saying,
		
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			do it then.
		
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			Like, make that happen. You know? And and
		
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			this and this is what, for me, what
		
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			was really empowering about it was,
		
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			again, we we have this narrative
		
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			that men always want it. Mhmm. And, sorry,
		
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			husbands always want it, and wives are always
		
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			trying to put it off. Mhmm.
		
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			You know, the whole I've got a headache
		
00:38:50 --> 00:38:52
			trope. It's been a long day. You know?
		
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			If maybe if you help me with the
		
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			kids more, you know, maybe if you did
		
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			the dishes more. Basically,
		
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			I don't want this with you. Right? And
		
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			it's it's it's oh oh oh, the Muslim
		
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			version. I'm gonna have to make hustle.
		
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			I just got my hair done. You know?
		
00:39:07 --> 00:39:09
			Like, these types of things. Right? So there's
		
00:39:09 --> 00:39:12
			this this narrative that husbands want it and
		
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			wives are trying to put it off. And
		
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			when I heard you talking about, you know
		
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			firstly,
		
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			I mean, from where I'm sitting and what
		
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			I came to understand was that
		
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			we know that, Islamically,
		
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			the husband and the wife have the right
		
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			to enjoy each other. Mhmm. It's it's one
		
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			of the the one of the foundations of
		
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			the nikah
		
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			become halal for each other. Mhmm. You both
		
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			have sexual rights,
		
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			which means that you both have sexual responsibilities.
		
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			And so, you know, taking it from the
		
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			woman's side, from the wife's side, and I
		
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			know it's not a very sexy way of
		
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			saying it and it's not very fashionable,
		
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			But the reality is that you have a
		
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			responsibility
		
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			because he has a right, therefore you have
		
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			a responsibility.
		
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			You have a responsibility
		
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			as a wife
		
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			to take care of him in that way.
		
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			Now, of course, people don't wanna hear that
		
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			because
		
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			we've we've got this idea that * should
		
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			be the spontaneous thing and that desire should
		
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			be this big passionate wave that kind of
		
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			pushes you forward. And if you don't have
		
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			that, then you're not in the mood and
		
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			you shouldn't have to do anything. Right?
		
00:40:18 --> 00:40:19
			And and kind of what I've
		
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			learned along the way is that
		
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			when you
		
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			understand
		
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			that, okay. I want my husband to to
		
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			to to fulfill himself
		
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			in a halal way with me. Mhmm. Therefore,
		
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			I have a part to play.
		
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			What is that part?
		
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			Is it
		
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			changing my mindset around *? Is it looking
		
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			at how my timetable or my list of
		
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			activities is impacting
		
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			our * life? Is it, as you say,
		
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			taking control of the factors I can control
		
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			and getting myself
		
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			into that mood so that it's a very
		
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			small bridge between us. You know what I
		
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			mean? Rather than putting all the heavy lifting
		
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			on him and say, well, show me something
		
00:41:01 --> 00:41:04
			then. Like, okay. You want it? Alright then.
		
00:41:05 --> 00:41:06
			Make it happen. You know? And then there's
		
00:41:06 --> 00:41:09
			kind of this this combative kind of, like,
		
00:41:09 --> 00:41:10
			well, you know, I don't want to, but,
		
00:41:10 --> 00:41:12
			yeah, okay. Fine if we have to, you
		
00:41:12 --> 00:41:13
			know, type of thing. I mean, what what
		
00:41:13 --> 00:41:15
			do you think about that? I love that
		
00:41:15 --> 00:41:17
			you said that. And I I wanna say
		
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			one tip that will inshallah change,
		
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			you know, if there's a woman here listening
		
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			to this, and she's feeling what everything you
		
00:41:24 --> 00:41:24
			just said,
		
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			there's one thing that will really help and
		
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			it's gonna sound not very sexy,
		
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			but it is gonna inshallah make a difference.
		
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			And that is
		
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			to schedule *.
		
00:41:35 --> 00:41:38
			Yes. And it sounds like, woah, you're telling
		
00:41:38 --> 00:41:40
			me to schedule *. Isn't * meant to
		
00:41:40 --> 00:41:43
			be spontaneous? No. It's to be. Exactly. It's
		
00:41:43 --> 00:41:45
			this whole thing about the spontaneous design. I
		
00:41:45 --> 00:41:47
			mean, I mean, so who? Says who? Who
		
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			says it's meant to be spontaneous? Did Allah
		
00:41:49 --> 00:41:52
			say that? No. Allah never said that you
		
00:41:52 --> 00:41:54
			can't have * if you schedule it. Where's
		
00:41:54 --> 00:41:55
			your delay? Exactly.
		
00:41:56 --> 00:41:59
			Exactly. So I'm saying schedule * because
		
00:42:00 --> 00:42:02
			when we whenever you have something important,
		
00:42:03 --> 00:42:05
			there is there's a time for it. You
		
00:42:05 --> 00:42:06
			know when that appointment is going to be
		
00:42:06 --> 00:42:08
			and you usually will put it in your
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:10
			calendar or diary if you have one or
		
00:42:10 --> 00:42:12
			you'll just know that, okay, this is the
		
00:42:12 --> 00:42:14
			time that I meant to be doing this
		
00:42:14 --> 00:42:14
			appointment,
		
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			this priority.
		
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			So do the same with *, schedule it,
		
00:42:19 --> 00:42:21
			whether physically putting it on your calendar or
		
00:42:21 --> 00:42:23
			diary or and you don't have to label
		
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			it as *, but it could just be
		
00:42:25 --> 00:42:26
			time with my husband. You could just label
		
00:42:26 --> 00:42:28
			it that. Something, you know, something that you
		
00:42:28 --> 00:42:29
			don't care if someone else were to see
		
00:42:29 --> 00:42:30
			that.
		
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			And making it a regular thing that you
		
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			do. Obviously, you know, if you can't do
		
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			it for whatever reason, you know, you were
		
00:42:37 --> 00:42:39
			ill or you're on your period, whatever is
		
00:42:39 --> 00:42:41
			fine, but you kind of have a general
		
00:42:41 --> 00:42:43
			regular schedule for when you have *. And
		
00:42:43 --> 00:42:45
			why this works for a lot of women
		
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			is because, as I mentioned earlier, most women
		
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			experience responsive desire. So they need
		
00:42:52 --> 00:42:54
			the right context, need to feel safe, comfortable,
		
00:42:54 --> 00:42:56
			they need to feel ready mentally, physically. They
		
00:42:56 --> 00:42:57
			need to,
		
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			be in the right context environmentally,
		
00:42:59 --> 00:43:01
			like the right surroundings, but also feel mentally
		
00:43:01 --> 00:43:02
			and emotionally
		
00:43:02 --> 00:43:04
			in the right context. When you schedule it
		
00:43:04 --> 00:43:06
			and you know that, okay, I'm gonna be
		
00:43:06 --> 00:43:06
			having
		
00:43:07 --> 00:43:09
			* and intimate time with my husband
		
00:43:10 --> 00:43:13
			Saturday at 9 pm on a regular schedule.
		
00:43:13 --> 00:43:15
			And you can start there, start with like
		
00:43:15 --> 00:43:16
			once a week for example, except when you're
		
00:43:16 --> 00:43:18
			on your period. You just don't have to
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:18
			do it that day.
		
00:43:19 --> 00:43:22
			If you know that, you know that, okay,
		
00:43:22 --> 00:43:24
			I'm gonna be enjoying this, I'm gonna be
		
00:43:24 --> 00:43:25
			having this time with my husband.
		
00:43:26 --> 00:43:27
			I want to make the most of that
		
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			time. I want to make sure it's pleasurable
		
00:43:29 --> 00:43:31
			for me. What do I as a woman
		
00:43:31 --> 00:43:33
			need to do in the days leading up
		
00:43:33 --> 00:43:36
			to that, you know, Saturday at 9 p.
		
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			M. What do I as a woman need
		
00:43:37 --> 00:43:38
			to prepare? What can I,
		
00:43:39 --> 00:43:41
			communicate with my husband with regards to if,
		
00:43:41 --> 00:43:42
			you know, if I have kids, how can
		
00:43:42 --> 00:43:44
			he perhaps do bedtime that day so I
		
00:43:44 --> 00:43:45
			can go and have a nice bath or
		
00:43:45 --> 00:43:47
			go for a walk or read a book
		
00:43:47 --> 00:43:49
			or just have me time, whatever it is?
		
00:43:49 --> 00:43:52
			So engaging in self care time before *
		
00:43:52 --> 00:43:54
			is really important for a woman having time
		
00:43:54 --> 00:43:55
			to herself
		
00:43:55 --> 00:43:57
			before enjoying time with her husband.
		
00:43:57 --> 00:43:58
			But equally
		
00:43:59 --> 00:44:02
			changing your mindset to see that *,
		
00:44:02 --> 00:44:04
			is not a chore and
		
00:44:05 --> 00:44:07
			* is meant to be for your pleasure
		
00:44:07 --> 00:44:09
			too, and * is also meant to be
		
00:44:09 --> 00:44:11
			your self care time with your husband.
		
00:44:11 --> 00:44:15
			Speak on that, sis. Say that again. Yes.
		
00:44:16 --> 00:44:17
			Yes. If you think about it, whenever we
		
00:44:17 --> 00:44:19
			talk about self care, we talk about things
		
00:44:19 --> 00:44:21
			that are good for us,
		
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			things that are healing for us, things that
		
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			make us feel good, things that are pleasurable
		
00:44:25 --> 00:44:27
			for us. We tend to hear the things
		
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			of like having a facial massage. All of
		
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			those things are fine. All of those things
		
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			can be incorporated in self care.
		
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			But the main
		
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			the the essence of self care, something that
		
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			is self care is something that's good for
		
00:44:38 --> 00:44:39
			you, something that will help you, something that
		
00:44:39 --> 00:44:42
			is good for you spiritually, emotionally, mentally.
		
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			All of those things can occur when you
		
00:44:44 --> 00:44:46
			are engaging in * with your husband. It
		
00:44:46 --> 00:44:49
			can feel good, physically good, mentally good,
		
00:44:49 --> 00:44:51
			spiritually good. It can heal you. There is
		
00:44:51 --> 00:44:54
			a lot of energy exchange when you engage
		
00:44:54 --> 00:44:57
			in *. So * with your husband is
		
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			self care. There are so many things that
		
00:44:58 --> 00:45:00
			we can do for self care like
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:03
			that involve other people such as, you know,
		
00:45:03 --> 00:45:04
			to get a massage and ease another person
		
00:45:04 --> 00:45:06
			to typically massage you unless you're kind of
		
00:45:06 --> 00:45:08
			self massaging or, you know, going out for
		
00:45:08 --> 00:45:10
			a coffee with friends that is, you know,
		
00:45:10 --> 00:45:12
			your self care time. But with other people,
		
00:45:12 --> 00:45:13
			there's self care that you do on your
		
00:45:13 --> 00:45:15
			own and self care that you do with
		
00:45:15 --> 00:45:15
			others.
		
00:45:16 --> 00:45:18
			* is a self care act that you
		
00:45:18 --> 00:45:20
			do with someone else with your spouse. So
		
00:45:21 --> 00:45:23
			not seeing * as this chore, this thing
		
00:45:23 --> 00:45:24
			that I just have to give
		
00:45:25 --> 00:45:27
			It's something that you
		
00:45:27 --> 00:45:29
			are going to enjoy and something that you
		
00:45:29 --> 00:45:29
			can
		
00:45:30 --> 00:45:33
			look forward to. So even though you're scheduling
		
00:45:33 --> 00:45:35
			it, it doesn't mean it's a chore. You're
		
00:45:35 --> 00:45:38
			scheduling it because it's a priority. Exactly.
		
00:45:38 --> 00:45:40
			It's your me time. You're scheduling it because
		
00:45:40 --> 00:45:42
			it's a priority. You're scheduling it because your
		
00:45:42 --> 00:45:44
			marriage is a priority.
		
00:45:44 --> 00:45:45
			You're scheduling it because you
		
00:45:46 --> 00:45:47
			are a priority.
		
00:45:47 --> 00:45:49
			It's, you're scheduling it because it's an act
		
00:45:49 --> 00:45:50
			of worship. Like just like there are certain
		
00:45:50 --> 00:45:51
			times for prayer.
		
00:45:52 --> 00:45:54
			The same applies to *. There might be
		
00:45:54 --> 00:45:55
			a certain time where you naturally feel like,
		
00:45:55 --> 00:45:57
			okay, that is the time when I will
		
00:45:57 --> 00:45:59
			feel most ready to have * is in
		
00:45:59 --> 00:46:01
			the evening once my kids are asleep. But
		
00:46:02 --> 00:46:02
			like really,
		
00:46:03 --> 00:46:05
			looking at the roles within your marriage, like
		
00:46:05 --> 00:46:06
			if you are taking on most of the
		
00:46:06 --> 00:46:09
			roles with regards to chores in the house
		
00:46:09 --> 00:46:11
			or raising up the kids and that is
		
00:46:11 --> 00:46:13
			draining you, you know, physically and mentally and
		
00:46:13 --> 00:46:15
			emotionally is, is, is realizing that it doesn't
		
00:46:15 --> 00:46:17
			have to be all on you as the
		
00:46:17 --> 00:46:19
			woman to do all those things. It's
		
00:46:19 --> 00:46:21
			communicating with your husband saying, I would like
		
00:46:21 --> 00:46:23
			you to do these things, you know, at
		
00:46:23 --> 00:46:25
			certain times and being a team and, you
		
00:46:25 --> 00:46:28
			know, having that conversation where he takes on
		
00:46:28 --> 00:46:30
			some of that load to some of that
		
00:46:30 --> 00:46:31
			burden that you may feel,
		
00:46:32 --> 00:46:33
			because it's gonna work in your favor, but
		
00:46:33 --> 00:46:35
			equally it's gonna work in his. If he's
		
00:46:35 --> 00:46:36
			doing those things
		
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			and you're having * more frequently,
		
00:46:38 --> 00:46:40
			let's say it is once a week because
		
00:46:40 --> 00:46:41
			you're scheduling it once a week. I'm sure
		
00:46:41 --> 00:46:43
			that once a week is a lot more
		
00:46:43 --> 00:46:44
			frequent
		
00:46:44 --> 00:46:47
			than you're currently having it. Like right now,
		
00:46:47 --> 00:46:49
			you might just be like doing it once
		
00:46:49 --> 00:46:50
			a month or once every 2 months because
		
00:46:50 --> 00:46:52
			that's what I'm hearing from my clients is
		
00:46:52 --> 00:46:54
			putting it off as much as possible and
		
00:46:54 --> 00:46:56
			then doing it once a month because they're
		
00:46:56 --> 00:46:58
			like, oh, it's been quite a while, But
		
00:46:58 --> 00:47:00
			once a week or 3 times a month
		
00:47:00 --> 00:47:01
			because on, you know, one of the weeks
		
00:47:01 --> 00:47:03
			you might be on your period.
		
00:47:03 --> 00:47:05
			3 times a month is
		
00:47:05 --> 00:47:07
			for a lot of people listening to this,
		
00:47:07 --> 00:47:09
			that is already more frequent
		
00:47:10 --> 00:47:11
			than you're currently doing it. And if it
		
00:47:11 --> 00:47:13
			isn't, like let's say 3 weeks a week,
		
00:47:13 --> 00:47:14
			3,
		
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			3, 3 times a month isn't regular enough
		
00:47:17 --> 00:47:18
			for your spouse
		
00:47:19 --> 00:47:20
			and you schedule it to be twice a
		
00:47:20 --> 00:47:21
			week instead,
		
00:47:22 --> 00:47:24
			then really putting it in your calendar. And
		
00:47:24 --> 00:47:26
			again, the same thing applies is how can
		
00:47:26 --> 00:47:28
			I get myself ready for that moment?
		
00:47:28 --> 00:47:30
			What conversations do I need to be having
		
00:47:30 --> 00:47:32
			with my spouse so that I feel really
		
00:47:32 --> 00:47:34
			ready, really looking forward to it? And what
		
00:47:34 --> 00:47:36
			conversations, I think, you know, just to jumping
		
00:47:36 --> 00:47:38
			off what you're saying, what conversations should I
		
00:47:38 --> 00:47:40
			be having with myself? Mhmm.
		
00:47:41 --> 00:47:43
			What's going on in here? Yeah. In order
		
00:47:43 --> 00:47:44
			for me to see that as self care.
		
00:47:44 --> 00:47:46
			And I really I love that. We're gonna
		
00:47:46 --> 00:47:48
			definitely, guys, you need to just do something
		
00:47:48 --> 00:47:50
			with that. I mean, a meme, a tweet,
		
00:47:50 --> 00:47:53
			a post on Instagram, something. Because,
		
00:47:53 --> 00:47:55
			you know, intimate time with hubby
		
00:47:56 --> 00:47:58
			ticks all the boxes of self care, just
		
00:47:58 --> 00:48:01
			as you mentioned. And it's so crazy
		
00:48:02 --> 00:48:05
			that it's like * outside of marriage is
		
00:48:05 --> 00:48:06
			this wild,
		
00:48:07 --> 00:48:08
			exciting ride. Right?
		
00:48:09 --> 00:48:11
			It's everywhere you you look.
		
00:48:11 --> 00:48:14
			Right? It's in every film. It's in every
		
00:48:14 --> 00:48:16
			TV series. It's in every song. It's in
		
00:48:16 --> 00:48:19
			every billboard. It's literally with our society is
		
00:48:20 --> 00:48:22
			saturated with *. Right? Yeah.
		
00:48:22 --> 00:48:25
			Most of it, outside marriage. Let's be frank.
		
00:48:25 --> 00:48:27
			Okay? Most of it is haram that's out
		
00:48:27 --> 00:48:30
			there. Yeah. When it comes to marriage, it's
		
00:48:30 --> 00:48:31
			like a * desert.
		
00:48:31 --> 00:48:34
			It's like married people do not do that.
		
00:48:34 --> 00:48:36
			It that's the kind of the message that
		
00:48:36 --> 00:48:38
			we get from society because * is so
		
00:48:38 --> 00:48:39
			very rarely
		
00:48:40 --> 00:48:42
			spoken about in the context of a marriage.
		
00:48:42 --> 00:48:44
			And when we're talking about marriages, we're very
		
00:48:44 --> 00:48:48
			rarely talking about *, you know? So for
		
00:48:48 --> 00:48:49
			us to
		
00:48:49 --> 00:48:52
			embrace the idea, as Muslims and as people
		
00:48:52 --> 00:48:53
			who, you know, who are married, let's let's,
		
00:48:53 --> 00:48:55
			you know, let's just call it what it
		
00:48:55 --> 00:48:55
			is,
		
00:48:56 --> 00:48:57
			that this is the playground.
		
00:48:58 --> 00:49:01
			This is the space. This is the space.
		
00:49:01 --> 00:49:03
			This is this is the place to explore.
		
00:49:03 --> 00:49:05
			This is the place to, you know, to
		
00:49:05 --> 00:49:07
			to be playful, to be experimental, to to
		
00:49:07 --> 00:49:09
			connect, to be intimate. You know, this should
		
00:49:09 --> 00:49:12
			be where the focus is, not all that
		
00:49:12 --> 00:49:13
			stuff out there.
		
00:49:14 --> 00:49:17
			And and really, as you say, in that
		
00:49:17 --> 00:49:17
			investment
		
00:49:18 --> 00:49:18
			in yourself,
		
00:49:19 --> 00:49:22
			all the physical, the emotional, the the health
		
00:49:22 --> 00:49:25
			benefits, all of that. And then the investment
		
00:49:25 --> 00:49:27
			in the relationship between you and your husband.
		
00:49:28 --> 00:49:29
			Because, you know, I know we're we're not
		
00:49:29 --> 00:49:32
			really, you know, talking about this today, but
		
00:49:32 --> 00:49:34
			this this whole thing of, sort of, the
		
00:49:34 --> 00:49:37
			dead bedroom or sexless marriages, or like you
		
00:49:37 --> 00:49:38
			say, you know, people who,
		
00:49:38 --> 00:49:41
			you know, would be grateful for once a
		
00:49:41 --> 00:49:43
			month, you know, or twice a month, and,
		
00:49:43 --> 00:49:45
			you know, and and they can't see themselves
		
00:49:45 --> 00:49:46
			getting more than that.
		
00:49:47 --> 00:49:49
			I I often think about,
		
00:49:50 --> 00:49:51
			say, whichever side it is, whether it's the
		
00:49:51 --> 00:49:53
			husband or the wife,
		
00:49:53 --> 00:49:54
			that wants more
		
00:49:54 --> 00:49:56
			and is being pushed away,
		
00:49:56 --> 00:49:58
			continually pushed away.
		
00:49:59 --> 00:50:01
			I've always thought about this scenario
		
00:50:02 --> 00:50:05
			and I've tried to reverse the roles. So
		
00:50:05 --> 00:50:06
			say, you know,
		
00:50:07 --> 00:50:09
			you are my spouse or you ask your
		
00:50:09 --> 00:50:10
			spouse
		
00:50:10 --> 00:50:11
			for a piece of cake.
		
00:50:12 --> 00:50:14
			They have the cake in their hand, and
		
00:50:14 --> 00:50:15
			you're hungry, and you ask them for the
		
00:50:15 --> 00:50:18
			piece of cake, and they say no. Mhmm.
		
00:50:19 --> 00:50:21
			And the next time you see them, you
		
00:50:21 --> 00:50:22
			say, you're hungry. They have the cake in
		
00:50:22 --> 00:50:25
			their hand, and they say no. And just
		
00:50:25 --> 00:50:26
			the
		
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			the sense of, you know, what we talked
		
00:50:28 --> 00:50:30
			about earlier, the the rejection.
		
00:50:31 --> 00:50:33
			And I think I've listened to quite a
		
00:50:33 --> 00:50:36
			few talks about this. The sense of loneliness
		
00:50:37 --> 00:50:38
			and isolation
		
00:50:38 --> 00:50:39
			that you feel
		
00:50:40 --> 00:50:40
			in a marriage,
		
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			especially, you know, as a Muslim, where this
		
00:50:43 --> 00:50:45
			is where it's all supposed to go down,
		
00:50:45 --> 00:50:47
			right? This is where it's supposed to happen.
		
00:50:48 --> 00:50:50
			All the things you said, it's halal, it's
		
00:50:50 --> 00:50:52
			the ibadah, it's all of these things, and
		
00:50:52 --> 00:50:54
			your spouse doesn't want you like that. And
		
00:50:54 --> 00:50:56
			your spouse can't bring themselves
		
00:50:57 --> 00:51:00
			to desire you in that way. Yeah.
		
00:51:00 --> 00:51:02
			For those of us who are on the
		
00:51:02 --> 00:51:03
			side of pushing away,
		
00:51:04 --> 00:51:06
			I'm saying this for you, really, because I
		
00:51:06 --> 00:51:08
			I would love for you to examine
		
00:51:08 --> 00:51:11
			what's really going on. You know? And and
		
00:51:11 --> 00:51:12
			have you thought
		
00:51:12 --> 00:51:13
			of
		
00:51:13 --> 00:51:15
			what it would feel like if the shoe
		
00:51:15 --> 00:51:17
			was on the other foot? So true. And
		
00:51:17 --> 00:51:18
			and and can you, you know, can you
		
00:51:18 --> 00:51:21
			get yourself to a place where that's not
		
00:51:21 --> 00:51:23
			the dynamic in your relationship? Because I just
		
00:51:23 --> 00:51:25
			I feel it's so sad. It's such a
		
00:51:25 --> 00:51:28
			sad place to be, you know, where you're
		
00:51:28 --> 00:51:29
			with someone. You may love them and everything,
		
00:51:30 --> 00:51:32
			but they don't want you. Yeah.
		
00:51:33 --> 00:51:34
			Yeah. What I wanna say to that is
		
00:51:34 --> 00:51:36
			I I really think it's important
		
00:51:36 --> 00:51:38
			to help with what you've just said. I
		
00:51:38 --> 00:51:39
			think it's important,
		
00:51:40 --> 00:51:41
			because what you've said is usually
		
00:51:42 --> 00:51:45
			the woman experiencing that where like her husband
		
00:51:45 --> 00:51:47
			wants * a lot and she perhaps doesn't
		
00:51:47 --> 00:51:49
			and she keeps on kind of turning down
		
00:51:49 --> 00:51:50
			her husband and then the husband feeling,
		
00:51:51 --> 00:51:52
			kind of disconnected. Having
		
00:51:53 --> 00:51:54
			It can always the other way. So regardless
		
00:51:54 --> 00:51:55
			of who it applies to, I think it's
		
00:51:55 --> 00:51:55
			important to
		
00:52:01 --> 00:52:05
			expand your definition of * and sexual activity.
		
00:52:05 --> 00:52:07
			I found with the women that I work
		
00:52:07 --> 00:52:10
			with that they feel very limited to this
		
00:52:10 --> 00:52:12
			idea that * is meant to be a
		
00:52:12 --> 00:52:13
			certain way and there's only kind of one
		
00:52:13 --> 00:52:15
			type of *, I.
		
00:52:15 --> 00:52:16
			E. *
		
00:52:17 --> 00:52:20
			is sexual * or * is is penetration.
		
00:52:21 --> 00:52:23
			And they feel like it's very limiting because
		
00:52:23 --> 00:52:24
			sometimes they're just not in the mood for
		
00:52:24 --> 00:52:25
			penetration,
		
00:52:25 --> 00:52:27
			but they would be happy for other forms
		
00:52:27 --> 00:52:29
			of *. They would be happy to
		
00:52:30 --> 00:52:32
			they would be happy for example, if they're
		
00:52:32 --> 00:52:33
			not in the mood and they're not fussed
		
00:52:33 --> 00:52:35
			about their own pleasure at that moment in
		
00:52:35 --> 00:52:37
			time, they don't really care to experience *
		
00:52:37 --> 00:52:38
			right there.
		
00:52:38 --> 00:52:40
			But their husband really does or the spouse
		
00:52:40 --> 00:52:42
			really does whichever way it is.
		
00:52:43 --> 00:52:45
			They might still feel willing
		
00:52:46 --> 00:52:46
			to
		
00:52:47 --> 00:52:48
			provide that to their spouse
		
00:52:49 --> 00:52:50
			and and and, you know, give pleasure to
		
00:52:50 --> 00:52:52
			their spouse without receiving anything. And that's a
		
00:52:52 --> 00:52:54
			great thing if they are happy to do
		
00:52:54 --> 00:52:57
			that perfect. But they feel like limited by
		
00:52:57 --> 00:53:00
			that one type of * because they just
		
00:53:00 --> 00:53:00
			feel like
		
00:53:01 --> 00:53:04
			perhaps penetrative * is a bit uncomfortable or
		
00:53:04 --> 00:53:06
			they're approaching their time of the month and
		
00:53:06 --> 00:53:08
			they're feeling a bit of pain and discomfort
		
00:53:08 --> 00:53:10
			down there. And they're just like, I'm really
		
00:53:10 --> 00:53:11
			not in the mood for that. Or they've
		
00:53:11 --> 00:53:13
			had a busy day with the kids or
		
00:53:13 --> 00:53:14
			work or whatever.
		
00:53:14 --> 00:53:16
			And they're like, they feel like that that
		
00:53:16 --> 00:53:18
			they feel like the reason they have to
		
00:53:18 --> 00:53:19
			say no to their spouse
		
00:53:20 --> 00:53:20
			is
		
00:53:21 --> 00:53:22
			because of that one type of * that
		
00:53:22 --> 00:53:24
			they feel like is the only that or
		
00:53:24 --> 00:53:26
			nothing else. If that's the offer, then it's
		
00:53:26 --> 00:53:27
			no from me. Exactly.
		
00:53:28 --> 00:53:31
			And sometimes penetrative * just feels too much.
		
00:53:31 --> 00:53:33
			Like it requires quite a lot of energy.
		
00:53:33 --> 00:53:35
			And for women, especially in order to have
		
00:53:35 --> 00:53:37
			penetrative *, it's not just this physical act
		
00:53:37 --> 00:53:39
			of the man's penis going in the *.
		
00:53:39 --> 00:53:41
			So many things need to happen
		
00:53:41 --> 00:53:44
			before that. You know, a lot of foreplay
		
00:53:44 --> 00:53:46
			needs to happen for it to feel pleasant
		
00:53:46 --> 00:53:48
			and comfortable and enjoyable for her. And so
		
00:53:48 --> 00:53:49
			if a woman in this context,
		
00:53:50 --> 00:53:53
			is limited to that one definition of *,
		
00:53:53 --> 00:53:55
			naturally, she's probably going to want to turn
		
00:53:55 --> 00:53:57
			down her husband because she's just thinking it's
		
00:53:57 --> 00:53:59
			too much hassle, it's too much pain and
		
00:53:59 --> 00:53:59
			discomfort.
		
00:54:00 --> 00:54:02
			If you expand your definition of * and
		
00:54:02 --> 00:54:05
			sexual activity, and this I think is important
		
00:54:05 --> 00:54:06
			for men because
		
00:54:06 --> 00:54:09
			a lot of men also limit themselves and
		
00:54:09 --> 00:54:11
			kind of think I'm now married
		
00:54:11 --> 00:54:13
			and whenever I want *, it's meant to
		
00:54:13 --> 00:54:14
			be a certain way. It's meant to be
		
00:54:14 --> 00:54:16
			that my penis has to go in my
		
00:54:16 --> 00:54:17
			wife's *.
		
00:54:18 --> 00:54:19
			And of course that is Getting demonetized
		
00:54:20 --> 00:54:21
			guys. Yeah. At one time.
		
00:54:22 --> 00:54:24
			Yeah. And of course it is pleasurable for
		
00:54:24 --> 00:54:25
			for men to,
		
00:54:26 --> 00:54:27
			you know, for for a man's penis to
		
00:54:27 --> 00:54:28
			go in the *.
		
00:54:29 --> 00:54:31
			But that is not the only way that
		
00:54:31 --> 00:54:34
			a man *. It's not just from penetrate
		
00:54:34 --> 00:54:36
			penetrates *. As we know. There are so
		
00:54:36 --> 00:54:39
			many different positions and types of *
		
00:54:39 --> 00:54:41
			that are allowed istamically,
		
00:54:41 --> 00:54:44
			manual stimulation with your hands. You can even
		
00:54:44 --> 00:54:45
			use your mouth. A lot of scholars say
		
00:54:45 --> 00:54:47
			that oral * is permissible. Essentially when it
		
00:54:47 --> 00:54:49
			comes to *, Islamically,
		
00:54:49 --> 00:54:51
			the only thing that is not allowed, that
		
00:54:51 --> 00:54:52
			is not permitted
		
00:54:52 --> 00:54:53
			is * *
		
00:54:54 --> 00:54:56
			and penetrative * when a woman's on her
		
00:54:56 --> 00:54:59
			period. Right. So when you kind of,
		
00:54:59 --> 00:55:00
			you know, when you kind of think, okay,
		
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			those are the only things that are not
		
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			allowed.
		
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			There's so much else,
		
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			so many other things on the menu that
		
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			you can choose from. And so There's a
		
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			buffet out here. Exactly. And if if if
		
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			penetrative * is like number 1 on the
		
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			menu,
		
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			you know,
		
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			but you can't have that for whatever reason.
		
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			What's next? What are the other things that
		
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			you both enjoy that the woman or the
		
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			not the woman, that one spouse is happy
		
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			to do and the other has to ask
		
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			is happy to receive that kind of thing.
		
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			And then that should hopefully bring you to
		
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			a place where you're able to both have
		
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			frequent
		
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			*. * doesn't always have to be about
		
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			giving and receiving pleasure. It can sometimes be
		
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			just about the giving,
		
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			whether that's the man focusing just on the
		
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			woman's pleasure or the woman focusing just on
		
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			the man's pleasure, as long as they're happy
		
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			to do that. But it shouldn't become this
		
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			thing where it's always one-sided,
		
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			but sometimes it absolutely can
		
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			be. So that's relevant to what you said,
		
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			where you were talking about rights and also
		
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			responsibilities,
		
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			where
		
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			if one spouse keeps feeling like they're saying
		
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			no to their spouse,
		
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			but they're also understanding, oh, okay, this is
		
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			my responsibility and Allah, I'm I'm accountable for
		
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			my actions
		
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			and that I don't want my spouse to
		
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			be feeling lonely and disconnected.
		
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			And my spouse is, you know, craving *
		
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			and wanting * and wanting that connection with
		
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			me. How can I still provide that to
		
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			my spouse?
		
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			But in a way where I'm not fully
		
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			sacrificing myself all the time? Yeah.
		
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			I love that. I I love that. And
		
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			another thing that kind of occurred to me
		
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			in this space as well,
		
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			that occurred to me in this space as
		
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			well is,
		
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			again, a mindset thing,
		
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			about desire.
		
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			And I wonder whether we, as women as
		
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			wives, let's make it specific,
		
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			whether we as wives
		
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			almost take for granted the fact that our
		
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			husband will desire us,
		
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			so much so that it's
		
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			like, he's always you know, he's just
		
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			Yeah. A kind of dismissive attitude or even
		
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			just like you feel put upon.
		
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			And I get it. You know? Again, going
		
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			back to what we were saying before, the
		
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			chores or this or that. Everything life in
		
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			general, just, you know, pushing that way off
		
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			the list of priorities.
		
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			But I I I found it useful
		
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			to reframe
		
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			husband's desire,
		
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			my husband's desire for me.
		
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			It's a privilege, really, for me. Yes. It
		
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			is. It's it's an honor. Yeah.
		
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			Because it doesn't have to be that way.
		
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			He doesn't have to desire me. Yeah. He
		
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			could desire anyone. He could desire anyone. There
		
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			are men who desire many other women, and,
		
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			you know, there are men out there who
		
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			fulfill their desires with other women. Right?
		
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			So if my husband
		
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			desires me
		
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			in the state that I'm in, whatever that
		
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			state is, Because, of course, you know, we
		
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			also have issues about our bodies, and if
		
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			we've put on weight, and if we've had
		
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			the baby, and all of these things, and
		
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			we're measuring ourselves up to whatever we've seen
		
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			on social media or whatever we've seen on
		
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			TV. Right? And we don't feel attractive. And
		
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			yet your husband still desires you though, sis.
		
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			So maybe you need to stop taking your
		
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			cues from Instagram
		
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			and respond to him because this is the
		
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			man that Allah
		
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			has put in your
		
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			life as your source of intimate pleasure. And
		
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			the fact that he wants you is not
		
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			a burden sis, it's not a burden. The
		
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			fact that he wants you is fantastic
		
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			because it you know,
		
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			he doesn't have to. You know, there are
		
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			there are couples where the husband doesn't want
		
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			his wife. He's not attracted to her. He's
		
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			not turned on by her. He does not
		
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			want to have relations with her.
		
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			I would prefer to take a man who
		
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			desires me over someone who couldn't care less.
		
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			But, again, it's a it's a mindset shift,
		
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			isn't it? I love that you said that
		
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			because, actually, I think the majority of women
		
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			actually want to be desired. Of course we
		
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			do. Majority of women want to feel attractive,
		
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			want to feel beautiful, want to feel sexy.
		
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			And so here you are in this marriage
		
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			where all of those are happening for you.
		
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			Your husband
		
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			finds you attractive and desires you sexually and
		
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			wants to connect with you intimately.
		
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			But you are, like you said, kind of
		
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			taking it for granted or dismissing it or
		
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			not seeing it as a big deal. But
		
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			it is a big deal. It is a
		
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			big deal that he desires you and wants
		
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			to be with you.
		
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			What's important
		
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			is that women start desiring themselves
		
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			because I feel
		
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			Mhmm. Now she's going deep. Okay, girl, I'll
		
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			give it to us. Yes.
		
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			I feel that, like you said, women are
		
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			on Instagram
		
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			comparing themselves to other women and what other
		
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			women look like. I'm thinking that
		
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			I don't understand why does my husband design
		
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			me when, you know, I have a flabby
		
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			belly and stretch marks and big thighs or
		
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			whatever,
		
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			saggy *. And, you know, he could he
		
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			could go and desire that other woman on
		
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			Instagram. And like you said, there are men
		
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			who do desire other women outside the marriage.
		
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			But here you are blessed
		
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			to be in this marriage where your husband
		
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			only has eyes for you and truly desires
		
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			you regardless of what you look like externally.
		
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			Because at the end of the day,
		
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			your level of sexual pleasure in your marriage
		
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			doesn't depend on what your body looks like
		
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			or what your spouse's body looks like.
		
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			* is not just this physical act of
		
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			2 bodies coming together.
		
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			* is really about 2
		
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			spirits and souls coming together and that mental
		
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			emotional connection
		
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			with your spouse. So that's where I think
		
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			it needs to start is women start desiring
		
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			yourself
		
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			not based on your external appearance, which you
		
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			can do, you know, you can make yourself
		
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			look good and desire yourself that way, but
		
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			really desiring yourself internally first.
		
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			The next thing I want to say with
		
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			regards to that is
		
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			when you when your husband approaches you and
		
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			says you look beautiful or I'd love to
		
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			have * with you tonight or whatever,
		
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			instead of dismissing it and taking it for
		
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			granted is again, it's mindset like you said,
		
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			is thinking, okay,
		
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			this is
		
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			one of the avenues that Allah is showing
		
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			me that he loves me, that Allah loves
		
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			me, that Allah Allah gives us love in
		
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			so many different ways. So when your child
		
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			just randomly comes and hugs you,
		
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			yes, the child loves you, but really who's
		
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			the source of love is Allah.
		
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			So
		
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			the love is coming from Allah through your
		
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			child who's then hugging you. The same applies
		
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			to your husband now who where Allah is
		
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			the source of love
		
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			and that love is coming through your husband
		
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			to you. Are you gonna put a wall
		
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			there and say, no, I don't want your
		
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			love. I don't need your love.
		
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			So it's really
		
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			reframing it that way is Allah is trying
		
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			to show me love
		
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			and seeing
		
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			that desire
		
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			from your spouse
		
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			as provision from Allah.
		
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			That Allah, Allah, I don't want to say
		
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			Allah desires you,
		
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			but Allah is noticing you and Allah wants
		
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			you to be connected with your spouse. And
		
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			so don't shut that off. It's open yourself
		
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			up. It's it really is about
		
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			being in receptive mode and being in the
		
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			receptive mode mode is a very feminine mode
		
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			to be in. This is not having to
		
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			do do do. It's just being and be
		
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			willing to receive that.
		
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			Yeah. And I think that just as you
		
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			said, it is receiving
		
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			the risk. It's receiving this opportunity because that's,
		
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			I think, what Allah
		
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			is doing is opening a door for you
		
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			or there's there's a doorway that has been
		
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			presented.
		
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			And on the other side of that doorway
		
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			is all the good stuff. Right? It's the
		
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			barakah. It's, you know, it's it's the reward.
		
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			It's, you know, the connection. It's the increased
		
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			love and all the other good stuff that
		
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			we talked about. And it's just a matter
		
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			of, you know, are you going to take
		
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			this opportunity? Are you going to, you know,
		
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			push the door open and go in?
		
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			And like you said,
		
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			the whole
		
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			being willing to receive,
		
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			even the compliments.
		
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			Yeah. You know? Even the compliments, even the
		
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			hints, even the the flirts,
		
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			you know, those acts of love, those acts
		
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			of service,
		
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			being willing to receive, you know, and allow
		
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			yourself to be filled up with that. I
		
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			don't know. I'm just as we're talking, I'm
		
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			just imagining, like, a whole army of Muslim
		
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			wives who are just
		
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			connected to their femininity and connected to their
		
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			sexual nature.
		
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			Mhmm. I don't know, man. I think they'll
		
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			be pretty happy, and I think that their
		
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			husbands will be pretty happy too. And I
		
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			think that that would be a very good
		
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			thing. Yes. Absolutely.
		
01:03:09 --> 01:03:12
			That's that's what we want. That like, we
		
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			want that and I really feel like it
		
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			will,
		
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			inshallah
		
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			change the like. I think that unfortunately
		
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			there is a lot of divorce happening within
		
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			the Muslim community. Not that it's necessarily a
		
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			bad thing. Divorce can be a good thing,
		
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			but sometimes,
		
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			you know, the reasons for those divorce perhaps
		
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			could have been prevented or could have been,
		
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			you know,
		
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			perhaps the couple just needed some
		
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			therapy or some to work with a professional
		
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			to heal some of the issues that they
		
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			didn't realize could be healed. And so they
		
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			kind of just thought, this is too much.
		
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			We just have to divorce where really perhaps
		
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			those
		
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			that man and woman in that couple
		
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			were perfect for each other and meant to
		
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			be for each other, but they didn't see
		
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			it. And so,
		
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			you know, like I said, * is not
		
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			the only thing in marriage, but it's a
		
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			big part of marriage. And * unfortunately is
		
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			quite a big cause of divorce
		
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			within the Muslim community and we want to
		
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			prevent that. You know, if we're able
		
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			to save a marriage for good reasons, like
		
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			if you know the man is a good
		
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			man and the woman is a good man
		
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			and they are good for each other and
		
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			it is just about they didn't have education
		
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			about * or they didn't know how to
		
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			overcome this sexual issue and we can help
		
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			them with that. That is amazing. And they
		
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			will, you know, enjoy each other and and
		
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			have a better, a better, more strengthened marriage,
		
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			inshallah.
		
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			Insha'Allah, you Rabb. May Allah bless all of
		
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			us in our homes and our relationships with
		
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			our spouses and our * lives. Yes. I
		
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			said it. So how can people get in
		
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			touch with you?
		
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			The best way is to email me. It's
		
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			support at amirazaki.com.
		
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			My name has a h at the end
		
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			as well.
		
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			But, you know, I am on Instagram, but
		
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			I don't accept messages at the moment. But
		
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			on my Instagram is an email button. So
		
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			that will take you to the email. I
		
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			said, really, the best way is email.
		
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			And yeah, we can take it from there.
		
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			I specifically work with women
		
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			who experience painful * or vaginismus.
		
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			That is my main focus. But I equally
		
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			do work with women
		
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			who are struggling with their * lives, you
		
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			know, perhaps
		
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			are not enjoying it or have certain sexual
		
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			issues.
		
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			So, you know, if those apply to you
		
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			and you would like help, feel free to
		
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			email me inshallah.
		
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			Excellent.
		
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			Those links will be in the description, guys.
		
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			We'll put everything down there for you.
		
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			as much as I did. If you did,
		
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			need her help, then definitely get in touch.
		
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			This is something, alhamdulillah, that is halal, that
		
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			Allah has made halal for us, has put
		
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			barakah in it for us. So why are
		
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			we leaving halal, good stuff, on the table?
		
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			No reason. Right, Amira? Not at all. Not
		
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			at all. Waka'alaikha and sis. It's been really,
		
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			really special. Definitely, we will see you again
		
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			on the channel, inshallah.
		
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			Waiyaki, sister. Thank you so much for having
		
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			me.
		
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			Assalamu alaikum.