Nadim Bashir – Conversations In The Quran #12 Story Of Talut #1

Nadim Bashir
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The hosts of the series discuss the story of the Prophet's theology and its importance in shaping his speech. They also touch on the confusion surrounding his claim to appoint a king for Islam and his hesitation to address the throne. The lack of discipline and hesitation in life affects behavior, and the success of a candidate, Bani Israel, is highlighted. The interviewer of Bani Israel and his interview with a doctor highlight his past political career and his interest in leadership.
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Today's conversation of the Qur'an comes from

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Surah Al-Baqarah insha'Allah and today I'm

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going to cover just a portion of that

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story because it's a long story I want

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to share with you insha'Allah part one

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today and part two next week insha'Allah

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The story is the story of Talut, but

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before that Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala He begins

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the passage in Surah Al-Baqarah.

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This is after Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala talks

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about marriage and divorce Extensively Allah subhanahu wa'ta

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'ala He shifts gears and he's now talking

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about going and striving in the cause of

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Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala Now you have to

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understand in the time of the Prophet sallallahu

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alayhi wasallam The commander-in-chief is who?

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Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam.

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Who are the followers?

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It is the Sahaba radiyallahu ta'ala anhum.

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So anytime Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala mentions a

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story of the past Especially when it comes

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to obeying your leader and so forth There's

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a reason why Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala mentioned

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the story of Talut Because the story begins

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with Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala saying the words

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alam tara He used the words alam tara.

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Alam tara anytime in the Quran Allah subhanahu

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wa'ta'ala uses the word alam tara It

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is a way for Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala

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to tell us that now you got to

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pay attention See alam tara means literally it

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means what?

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Have you not seen right?

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But think about it Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam

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has not seen anything When Allah says alam

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tara kayfa fa'ala rabbuka bi ashab alfeel

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Have you not seen how Allah subhanahu wa'ta

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'ala destroyed the ashab alfeel?

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The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam did not actually

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see it because he was born in the

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year what?

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Amulfeel So he did not see anything But

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this is not what Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala

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is telling us because see in English too

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when you understand something You know what you

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say?

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Ah, I see you see when you understand

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something you say, ah, I see It's a

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way of expression that I understand that I

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understand the situation So Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala

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when he begins the passage by saying alam

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tara, it's Allah's way of saying Pay attention,

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you understand?

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There's a lot of lessons and reflections that

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are going to be shared with you in

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the story Not only that this Surah Al

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-Baqarah was revealed where?

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In Medina We know that all the battles

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that took place in Islam Especially in the

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time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam all

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of them took place when?

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In Mecca or Medina?

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In Medina So this is Allah's way of

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telling the sahabah radiallahu anhum that I'm gonna

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share with you the story of Someone of

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the past and Bani Israel They had to

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go and fight and they have to go

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in the cause of Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala

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but they instead of listening to their leader

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and obeying their leader rather they Defied the

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laws and they defy the rules of their

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own leader and you oh sahaba Radiallahu tal

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'an hum, make sure you do not ever

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treat Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam this way So

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the story begins alam tara'il al-malai

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min bani isra'ila min ba'di Musa.

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When did the story take place?

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Just from a historical perspective.

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So you understand when Musa alayhi salam was

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able to When when Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala

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told Musa alayhi salam take Bani Israel with

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you go and conquer this land What was

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the response of Bani Israel?

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Idhab anta warabuka faqatila innaha huna qa'idun

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rather you and Allah go and fight We're

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gonna sit here as spectators when the job

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is done.

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Let us know we're gonna move in inshallah

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very smoothly We'll make a smooth transition into

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into that holy land Because of this arrogance

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of theirs Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala trapped them

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in a valley for 40 years During this

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time.

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This is when Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala talks

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about the story between Musa alayhi salam And

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Bani Israel, which I will share with you

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as some other day inshallah, but at the

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end of the story Again, Musa alayhi salam.

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He was fed up with Bani Israel and

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he says that Fafruq baynana wa bayn ala

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qawmin fasiqin.

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Ya Allah separate me from these people I

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want nothing to do with these people anymore.

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This is mentioned in Surah Al-Ma'idah

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So now they're in this valley in this

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40 years Musa alayhi salam passes away during

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these 40 years Harun alayhi salam passes away

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So now they are looking up to some

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of the other Anbiya some of the other

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prophets They are not necessarily mentioned in the

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Quran by name Just besides the fact that

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Allah mentioned the word Nabi mean that these

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were people sent by Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala

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But we don't know their names necessarily.

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So these people this is the time now

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that they are fighting with other people They

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have been defeated now.

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They are looking for some leadership now.

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They have been defeated There was a time

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where they were on their deen and Allah

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subhanahu wa'ta'ala gave them a lot of

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prosperity But now this was a time where

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they had transgressed against the limits of Allah

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subhanahu wa'ta'ala And now they were suffering

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defeat after defeat and during this time now

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They are saying in order for us to

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gain strength.

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We need a commander-in-chief We need

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someone at the helm to lead us and

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guide us.

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So this is why they now came to

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the Prophet So now this conversation takes place

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between them and the current Prophet.

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It is not Musa.

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It is not Haroon It is some other

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Prophet.

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So Allah says أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَىٰ الْمَلَئِ مِن

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بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ مِن بَعْدِ مُوسَىٰ Do you not

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understand about the story of this group of

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people in Bani Israel after the time of

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Musa alayhis salam إِذْ قَالُوا Remember the time

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when they said لِنَبِيِّنَ To their Prophet who

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was appointed at that time اِبَعَثْ لَنَا مَلِكًا

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نُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ Send for us a

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king meaning that you appoint a king for

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us that we can stand behind him and

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we can do what نُقَاتِلْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ

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We can strive for the cause of Allah

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subhanahu wa ta'ala Now look at the

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arrogance of Bani Israel here If they wanted

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If they really wanted They could have actually

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said that you you are the Prophet You're

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the one we look up to for spiritual

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guidance You guide us Or they could have

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said to this Prophet that you ask Allah

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subhanahu wa ta'ala To send for us

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a Prophet Now I ask you you know

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this The answer is very simple Would you

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want to walk and be guided by a

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Nabi Or would you want to be guided

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by a king who's not a Nabi Who

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would you want to walk behind A Nabi

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of course But subhanallah you see their arrogance

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The mindset of Bani Israel Instead of telling

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their Prophet That ask Allah for another Prophet

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that we can walk behind them They said

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just send us a king That's all we

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want just send us a king So the

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ulema they say that this really shows and

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highlights the arrogance and the stubbornness of Bani

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Israel Then Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says

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This Prophet he knew Bani Israel Because see

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the first time When Musa a.s. said

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let's go and let's fight What did they

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say?

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You and Allah go and fight So this

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Prophet now is saying You want me to

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ask Allah for a king But what is

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the guarantee that you're going to fight behind

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that king You have shown a history of

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disobedience You have shown a history That whenever

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anyone or Allah gives you any favors Or

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any leaders You completely ignore them So they

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said That will you disobey Allah After he

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gives you a leader And they said They're

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saying that why Should we not fight in

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the cause of Allah Of course we will

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fight in the cause of Allah And not

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only that But this now this ayah also

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highlights their insincerity too Why?

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Because they said after that That we have

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been driven out of our homes We have

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been driven out of our homes And out

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of our lands So why should we not

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fight The insincerity here is Either you fight

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for Allah Or you fight for land You

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understand Either you fight for the cause of

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Allah If Allah says go and fight You

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go and you fight But if Allah subhanahu

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wa ta'ala is saying That take the

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land back Because you were driven out of

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this land That's a different case But they're

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saying on one hand We're going to fight

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for Allah And on the other hand they're

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saying We also are going to fight Because

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we were driven out of our homes Where

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is the loyalty?

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Is it doing for Allah?

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Or they're doing it because They've been driven

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out of their homes So then Allah subhanahu

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wa ta'ala says Allah subhanahu wa ta

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'ala gave them a leader And they turned

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away Except for a handful of people They

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remained behind this leader Allah subhanahu wa ta

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'ala He then says Allah is very well

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aware Of those who have oppressed Meaning you

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made a promise That if Allah sends a

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leader You will walk behind him But you

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did not do that So because of that

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This is considered as a zulm Now there's

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one interesting thing To note from here And

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to learn from here Regarding the subject of

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leadership And not only that Even from the

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perspective of daily life There's something to be

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learned here These people They wanted motivation That's

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what they wanted Right?

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Yes or no?

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Pay attention They wanted motivation They are telling

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this Prophet Send, give us a leader That

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will motivate us That we can go and

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fight When they were given that leader Instead

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of motivated They went behind They fell behind

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What we learn from this is In life

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Many people they say That in order for

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me to do anything I need to be

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motivated And the reality is that Yes motivation

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is there But you know what comes along

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with motivation?

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Because see there are a lot of people

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Who can give you a lot of motivation

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As Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in

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the Quran إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُغَيِّرُ مَا بِقَوْمٍ

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حَتَّى يُغَيِّرُ مَا بِأَنفُسِهِمْ If the best life

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coach came today And gave anyone advice They

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can sit there And give them the best

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Motivational speech in human history But will they

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change?

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The answer is Not necessarily Unless they have

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one thing in their life And you know

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what that thing is called?

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It's called discipline If you have no discipline

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in life No motivation can change you This

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is the reality I say this to my

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children I say this to the other youth

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No matter how much is there If you

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are not disciplined in life I can stand

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here and tell you The fadail of coming

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for salatul fajr I can go through the

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books of ahadith But if a person is

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not disciplined in their life Meaning they don't

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sleep on time They don't put an alarm

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They don't do what is necessary In order

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to wake up for fajr All the motivation

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is what?

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Is wasted So the thing is that A

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lot of times we feel The only reason

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why I'm lacking behind in life Is because

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I don't have enough motivation And I'll say

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to you That is not just the motivation

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A lot of people will give you the

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motivation But the problem that we lack in

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our life Is discipline And this is something

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that we all have a problem with The

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young, the old, the middle age Everyone, we

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have a discipline problem And in some aspect

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of our life In some sector of our

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life We're gonna have some disciplinary issues So

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it's not just about the motivation It's about

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the discipline Bani Israel They were given the

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motivation Because they did not have the discipline

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That's why they did not walk behind And

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they never became a good follower To this

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person Now, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala then

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says The next ayah وَقَالَ لَهُمْ نَبِيُّهُمْ This

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prophet of theirs told them إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَدَ

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بَعَثَ لَكُمْ طَالُوتَ مَلِكًا This person has been

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sent to you as a leader Now, Bani

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Israel If they were truly disciplined in their

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life They could have said This person has

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been sent by Allah خَلَصَ صَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا That's

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not what their response was Look at their

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response They said قَالُوا أَنَّا يَكُنْ لَهُ الْمُلْكُ

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عَلَيْنَا How is this person supposed to lead

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over us?

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وَنَحْنُ أَحَقُّ بِالْمُلْكِ مِنْهُ وَلَمْ يُؤْتَسَعَةً مِّنَ الْمَالِ

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Subhanallah Bani Israel You know, subhanallah This is

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why we say these two stories Bani Israel

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is saying We are more worthy of leading

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ourselves Than this person coming and leading us

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Based on what?

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Listen to this very carefully وَنَحْنُ أَحَقُّ بِالْمُلْكِ

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مِنْهُ وَلَمْ يُؤْتَسَعَةً مِّنَ الْمَالِ He has not

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been given money He is not a wealthy

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person By the way Talut, if you study

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his history And you study Bani Israel And

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all their 12 tribes The most elite tribes

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Were like the tribes which in Biblical references

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They are usually referred to as the Levi

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tribe Or the Judah tribe and so forth

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This person Talut Came from a lower tier

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tribe Which was from the descendants of Bani

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Amin The brother of Yusuf a.s So

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this is who they are from This is

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where he is from So first of all

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They are looking at him From an elite

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perspective Elitist perspective He does not come from

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an elite family But number two is He

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does not even have money وَلَمْ يُؤْتَسَعَةً مِّنَ

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الْمَالِ Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says قَالَ

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إِنَّ اللَّهَ اصْطَفَاهُ عَلَيْكُمْ This Nabi is telling

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them Allah chose this person اصْطَفَاهُ means a

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special selection That's why Rasulullah ﷺ One of

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his names are مُصْطَفَاهُ مُصْطَفَاهُ Why?

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Because he was very specially selected When Allah

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talks about Maryam a.s in the Qur

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'an يَا مَرْيَمُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ اصْطَفَاهُ Allah subhanahu

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wa ta'ala chose Maryam a.s As

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a very special selection By Allah subhanahu wa

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ta'ala So Allah is telling This Prophet

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is telling these people This person طالوت Is

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a special selection by Allah subhanahu wa ta

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'ala وَزَادَهُ بَسْطَطًا فِي الْعِلْمِ وَالْجِسْمِ And why

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did Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala Give him

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that status?

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Why did he make him a leader?

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Because there are two things that he had

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Number one is علم And he had knowledge

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And especially you wanna go in battle He

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has knowledge of the battlefield And number two

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is he is a brave person In this

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particular situation If you're gonna go to battle

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It makes no sense If I appoint upon

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you a rich person The rich people a

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lot of times They are so pampered in

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their life They don't wanna put their life

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in danger They don't wanna put their life

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on the line So I'm giving you a

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leader That is fit for this situation So

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now at this time There's another lesson to

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be learned in this And that is Leadership

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is never based on how much money we

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have And let me be very honest when

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I say this Because I've heard many stories

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Especially when it comes to masajid and so

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forth Around America You know you talk to

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some imams You talk to some communities and

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so forth And subhanAllah I don't know why

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There is this perception That the person who

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has the most amount of money In the

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community He should become the leader for some

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reason He should become the board member You

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know how many times I've traveled around America

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And I've talked to people And I've heard

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That oh this person He is the leader

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He is the president of the masjid Why?

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Oh he's a doctor You know subhanAllah It's

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just that you know what it is The

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problem is That we have this mindset That

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the one who has the most amount of

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money Should be by default A person in

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leadership And that's not necessarily the case You

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see Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala He's choosing

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a person That is a good fit for

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this position And that's why When it comes

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to Islamic organizations It should be people who

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know About the organization If you bring someone

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And you tell them Be in a position

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of leadership Who has absolutely no clue Who

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has never volunteered Who has never done anything

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for the masjid Or anything for that organization

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They don't know how the organization Is run

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and operated Then how can that person Even

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serve that Islamic organization So you see even

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from a leadership perspective Allah subhanahu wa ta

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'ala Did a very special selection And this

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is where Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala then

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says That فِي الْعِلْمِ وَالْجِسَمِ وَاللَّهُ يُعْتِي مُلْكَهُ

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مَن يَشَىٰ Allah then says That we give

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مِلْكِيَة Or we give power and authority To

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whoever we want Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala

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Is وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala

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Is all encompassing In favor and in knowing

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About things Next Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala

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He talks about Which I'm gonna go ahead

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and finish right here In sha Allah But

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this has been the conversation so forth Next

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They were asking See Subhanallah Once again Look

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at the arrogance of Bani Israel They could

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have said آمَنَّا وَصَدَّقْنَا لَبَّيْتْ Allah subhanahu wa

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ta'ala Send this leader We'll follow him

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We'll walk behind him But no They said

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Now we want a sign We want a

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sign So Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala Said

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You want a sign so bad I'll give

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you a sign What is that sign I'll

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cover that next week In sha Allah Keeping

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you hanging By the thread But in sha

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Allah That sign And not only that But

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then You see One thing One thing I

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wanna say In When Talut was sent A

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lot of them backed away So now Out

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of Huge pool of people That you have

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Now you have a smaller pool And now

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After this After this Sign that comes Some

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back out And then not only that But

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in the journey With Talut Even some back

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out At that time Overall What is Allah

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subhanahu wa ta'ala Trying to tell the

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sahabah Radiyallahu anhum When the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi

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wa sallam Goes for battle When he goes

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And he puts his life On the line

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You Don't start Bringing up all these excuses

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Like the way Bani Isra'il did You

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put your life On the line For Rasulallah

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Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Allah sent Talut Allah

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subhanahu wa ta'ala Sent Rasulallah Sallallahu alayhi

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wa sallam He is your leader And you

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walk behind him We'll finish the story In

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sha Allah Next week I ask Allah subhanahu

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wa ta'ala To grant all of us

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Tawfiq And to take lessons From the Qur

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'an Amin Rabbil alameen Wa jazakumullahu khair Assalamualaikum

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warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu

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