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S02E13 – The Art of Dawah – Belal Khan

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Mifrah and Maheen speaks to Belal Khan from Leechon Films on the Art of Dawah.

Highlights from the show:

  • Belal’s journey in dawah
  • Pros & Cons: Fee Sabillah Vs Free Sabillah
  • Raising the standard of dawah – what does it mean?
  • Why a positive narrative is important for Islam and Muslim
  • Why following your passions is dumb advice
  • How to find your super powers (strengths)
  • How to leverage them in a dawah context
  • The game being played in media today
  • Stories and how they relate to your legacy
  • Love or justice?
  • Belal’s life hack to get ahead

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season two episode 13

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Welcome to the Muslim life hackers podcast, the weekly podcast providing you the knowledge, tools and connections to help you get ahead in life. And now your hosts Mithra maroof and mahane Malik

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Muslim life hackers, welcome to another episode from the Muslim life podcast. This is your host Mikey molokhia. Happy to be by your side once again for another fantastic interview. In our interviews, we like to talk to World Class performers from every field and learn about the tips and tricks they use to get ahead. today's talk is structured a little differently than usual. Both roofer and myself get to interview the awesome Bilal Han from LaShawn films.

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Below is the one behind some awesome online video productions, including the hashtag sought to slim videos, but many of the posts like lectures and trailers from the Alma herb Institute, plus he's recently launched out of our project, which we'll get more into during the talk. We touched on a lot of great stuff during this talk, like how to utilize your strengths and discover how to work with your quote unquote, passions, the importance of narratives in our daily lives and in the Dow work that we do. Plus other stuff like Kanye West as a designer, and the black belt of dow. So with that being said, let's get into the interview below. Welcome to the Muslim life hackers podcast. Thanks

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for taking the time to join us today. Hey, thanks for having me. So we decided to get you on the show today, because you recently launched an online workshop called the art of tower, which is about raising the standard of tower. A First of all, I love that idea. It's so unique and pretty cool. But before we get into this, can you tell us a bit about yourself and the kind of work you've been doing, particularly in the Dallas scene? Sure. So my background is I went to school for business and marketing. And I've worked I've been working in the field for marketing and advertising and digital advertising, I started off in sales. And then also, when I was in, was at sixth grade, my dad from

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your book on HTML and graphic design, told me to make him a website. So I kind of also had the geeky technical skill sets to start off with. So when social media came about and digital advertising came about, it was something that I naturally transitioned into. So and then, in the workforce, I ended up kind of becoming like a digital marketer advertiser who also happens to do branding and things like that. So yeah, from a day job, professional standpoint, that's what I do in the area of dow and things like that. One of the one of my earlier, involvements and engagements started off with the way that I kind of got involved with like, Alright, what is something that I can do better than

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everybody else here, and I'm going to do that. So initially, because I had the graphic design setup, and I could create websites and things like that, I started doing that, that naturally led me into other skill sets and picking up things like video, as well, as, you know, applying some of the stuff that I would do in my day job in the dental work as well. Now, people kind of saw the work that I did, and they in every other organization wanted me to do stuff for them. So I decided to kind of do all that under a professional structure of the corporation, and basically take these people on actual clients. This way. There's,

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there's accountability and professionalism in the work that we do, as opposed to kind of do like brother sister kind of work, which never really has any kind of standards or accountability attached to it.

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And so, the idea that people who are good at what they do,

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they ended up doing a free civilian, instead of free speech.

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Yeah, to show sometimes the listener, like, kind of accountability. It's, it's, it's kind of like a free pass to, you know, do substandard work as well. Right, right. Right, exactly. And through that a lot of people tend to get burned out and frustrated. And that kind of actually pushes people away from wanting to contribute to this, to, you know, the image and reputation that Muslims have and that what Islam is and so on, which ultimately hurts what we're trying to do.

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Also, in terms of taking what I do professional

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and applying it in the quote unquote, Islamic scene. I've also worked with organizations like a Muslim. In fact, it was pretty interesting, because when I was first starting out, check Muhammad Sharif. He's the founder, he actually saw some of my work. And he's like, Hey, we got to work together. And at that point, I thought he was joking. But then later, he added me. Yeah.

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Yeah, so I kind of like fell into that. And, and a lot of my professional development happened as a result of his direct mentorship. So in terms of, you know, that learning about things like time management, and personal management, and, and in all these things that you hear about in business, which actually helped me Excel, in my actual career, a lot, and in just developing the right kinds of habits, that one would need to have in a professional setting. So, so that management, accountability, yeah, yeah. All the all the different things that would give somebody and the necessary skills and tools for them to be professional, you know, in every sense of the word, and in

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professional sense that in the sense of having a son in the work that they do, so that was part of it. The other cool thing was that, because I was in the northeast, in New York, in New Jersey, I had access to training and the opportunity to work directly and learn from people like Khalid yacine.

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Also, being in the college MSA down was seeking, getting folks like us, it says, and getting training from him on several occasions, as well as like things like street law from somebody like Shrek, Amman and mechi, who is known to be like them, as they call them the black belt and tower. Because

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the he's also has a strong sales background. And so he knows how to engage and talk and things like that. So So I've had the benefit of personally learning from these guys, as well. So taking all of that, coupled with my professional background.

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And it's kind of like what has led me to, I guess what I'm doing now? Awesome. I like that the black belt of dollar sounds like a superhero. Yeah. I just kind of want to get to something that you mentioned quite a lot. It's the word dow like what exactly do you mean by that? Because it's thrown around a lot.

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But what exactly do you mean by when you say like dela? Yeah, just to clarify. Yeah. So if one were to define data, you have to consider the perspective from or the angle from which you're looking at it right? Generally, the way, the way I understand that down is the idea of calling on to or upon someone, right.

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If you look at the one of the, in sort of the bucket of

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the verses that follow the verses of fasting, last night, Allah tells us, what is allocated by the undefined Nikolay boogy. Buddha, what is the Don Valley, so he will, he will, you know, be left alone.

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And so, what that verse translates to saying that the interesting thing is the positioning of where that verse is, it's following the verses of fasting, right? So Allah, He tells us that, you know, fasting is prescribed upon you, just like it was prescribed to people before you saw that, perhaps maybe you will attain consciousness of him, and the actions that you do in within that context. And then you go into the rules of fasting and so on. But then think about this. If you are fasting, and you're trying to have Taqwa, in everything that you do, then you're gonna start thinking about a last mile data, and, and and who he is, and how do you connect with him and so on. And so Allah

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preamps that it basically tells the professor silom, but he says, when you're when my slave is asking you about me, he doesn't tell him he doesn't tell him, tell them. He just basically says, I'm right here, you know, I answered the call of the one who called when they call, therefore, they should respond to my call, so that perhaps maybe they'll be guided. And so, the idea of

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doubt, one is to call right, from a general sense. Now from a from the context of Islamic work, so to speak. It has to do with calling other people to

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the to perhaps consider

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A lifestyle in which one would potentially consider submitting themselves to a last time altana. But you can't really expect people to do that, until after they themselves trust you as an individual. And so the question that comes up is, if you're going to talk about something, or you're going to engage with someone within a particular context, then are you the right person to be doing it? And if so, why? And how do you establish that credibility?

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Just Justin.

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Okay. So with regard to that workshop that you're giving, which is the art of tower, and you actually speak about the whole, raising the standard of Delphi. So what do you mean by this? Is it that we're lacking in media or we're not utilizing resources? And like, in your experience, what have you seen, that can be improved? Sure. I mean, honestly, I think you've even mentioned a lot of those factors. But I think one of the what I mean, by raising the standard of downwash, you'd have to look at it from what the, the clear objective is. And the clear objective is raising the standard of doubt as a means. And it's a means towards a more positive narrative of Islam and Muslims in the

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world. So the question, that's what we're trying to do, we're trying to bank a positive narrative. So why is

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that positive narrative part?

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Well, I mean, it's important because of,

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well, one, it when there's a negative narrative, and a hateful narrative towards Islam and Muslims,

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it becomes a risk to people, their well being their safety. Right. And at the same time, it potentially

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closes people some people off to the message. Is there some wisdom to the current climate that we live in today? Yeah, I mean, it brings about some curiosity from folks, but then that curiosity when seeking to be fulfilled,

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then when they engage with Muslims, it becomes a whole different scenario. They're like, Okay, forget about this. I don't want to engage with Muslims because Muslims suck. Or

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word that the, for the like, the Muslims, and they'd be and they consider embracing that lifestyle. But then after that, they're left on their own. Imagining like, Bart Simpson, like pointing a finger like, he suck.

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So, but yeah, I mean, like, there's a lot of issues. I think part of the challenges is that people really focusing in on what they're strong in and and just simple example of just look at some of this well known Sahabi, right? Yeah. Even in even for qualified actually, right? You look at a book acidic, versus a woman versus of my man a fan, radi Allahu, and I live in avatar, right? Each one of them had their clear strengths, and distinguish abilities in everything that they did, and the approaches that they take, even in governing, right. But even outside of governing, they had distinguishable things that they were known for. Yeah, that through that strength brought strength

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to the community of Muslims, that were there. So.

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So part of being able to raise the standard up down, is to be able to

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build up and wield the strength that we individuals have, towards a collective strength that the Muslims could be.

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Okay. So with, with regards to like, one strength to make a contribution. I know that this a discussion that comes up many times, like how can I use what I've been blessed with to leave a legacy? And even How can I even find out what my strengths are? And generally, there's this advice that goes around saying, follow your passions, do what you love, and everything will somehow make sense. But in reality, it's not as simple as that to most people. And I actually like the way you framed it and how you said about, you call this a person superpowers. And I'm interested to know more about this, and also hear an example about how you use this yourself, like in your life to make

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to make your own contribution. Pretty much. Sure. Um, so one of the things so, you know, going back to the whole thing about Oh, follow your passion, right. Yeah. Which is actually like some of the dumbest advice. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And part of this is because of this, right and this simple example, right?

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I'm going to use like an

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Exercise example, right? Somebody might hate doing pull ups. Why? Because they can't do them very well.

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Somebody might like to ride a bike, because it's easy to ride a bike because they can do it well. So some people might mistake that as, Oh, I have a passion for riding my bike. When in reality you only write like riding a bike? Because you're good at it. Yeah, I mean, you have passion. Yeah, it comes easy. So the idea that, you know, passion is something that is a byproduct, because you're strong at something. Yeah. So So the thing is, don't focus on Oh, my passion, whatever. The key thing is to focus on what is it that you can develop into being good. And so I mean, going back to the whole fitness exam, in martial arts training, we would almost every other class, we would end off with

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with a deck of cards. And these deck of cards essentially meant that if it's like a red card, like if it was a spade, we would have to do push ups. If it was a heart, we'd have to do sit ups, if it was a

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diamonds, we would have to do like, like burpees or something. Yeah. And hated burpees.

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the reason we hate it, because, you know, we weren't good at it, right? Just because there's a whole functional Bible. And but but the thing is there

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there are, there are some people who now take somebody that I don't think anybody likes burpees. But take somebody who's good at burpees and line them up with three other people who are not as good. I'll tell you right now that person is going to rock, he's like, I love burpees, because I beat everybody else.

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but but nobody likes doing burpees on their own. But that's beside the point. So that so the idea of trying to discover what one strength is, or even maybe build a mob, it really comes down to a number of factors, right, essentially three things right? What are you inclined towards? What do you have talents for? What do you generally curious about? So that would be one aspect, the second aspect goes into what kind of knowledge are you investing in yourself, right, and this is, I mean, schooling would be included in this category. But it's not exclusive to schooling, it's things that, you know, it could also be about things that are an extension of your curiosity. And your curiosity

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leads to really invest in something that you want to understand. And, and then the third point is where a lot of people miss out on, especially younger folks. And what I mean by younger folks is somebody who's less than 40 years old.

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And in that is, it really establishing mastery of a skill or a series of skill sets, that are complimentary, can be applied together. Because at the end of the day, if you're able to do something really, really well, you can apply the knowledge that you have, and use a synonymously with the, with the talents that you have, and then that will become a potential superpower that you can wield. Now, ultimately, how do you know that as a superpower? Well, you need to go out there and test it. You need to get some experience, get some memories about it, have a situation where people can tell stories. So can you give me an example of that? Yeah, that you've busted. And then have you

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tested? I'm curious, what have you tested? Sure, sure, sure.

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So I'll give you my most recent example. So with the recent most recent companies working with a company called Zippy shell, which is a storage company. So

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I joined the company in a situation where they just transition from become from being a startup and a startup company is they don't know what they're doing to try to figure it out to becoming a growth company, they've got the process down. And now it's all about expansion, and getting this company to kind of establish itself. And so I joined them right after that transition point. And now, their big challenge was like, Alright, we need to kind of work towards establishing our brand and our reputation now that we know what we're doing. And there's a number of factors that need to be worked out. So now my talent, one of the thing that I was genuinely inclined towards is that I like geeky

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stuff, coupled with the fact that

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I'm good with digital kind of works. In terms of my knowledge. I studied marketing, I study search engine optimization. I understood how the internet works. I understood how online advertising works. So would you say your area of mastery?

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Well, I wouldn't say it's my area of mastery, yet.

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But what I would say it's my strength came about as a result of my skill sets. In my specific skill sets, we're understanding some of the core facets of branding and how to apply it coupled with knowing what needs to be done in advertising tactically, because skill sets have to do with what are you going to do tactically? What are you gonna do on the ground? Like, you know, high ideas high, you know, the pie in the sky ideas, one thing before you really do something on the ground? What can you do, that's a, that's definitely not a skill set. So in going in there, and helping the company, through the help of, through the assistance, of hiring an agency and so on, you know, we kind of did

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an overhaul of the aesthetic of the brand, launching a new website, helping do some analyses of where they were actively operating in terms of their markets, and how we can zero in better, and so on, and essentially, did have an impact, like, Yeah, and I since since the company out, it wasn't all solely because of me, as much as I would love to claim it. But, but, you know, the company doubled in size. And since then, some of the territories became profitable, in terms of cash flow positive because of customers that they had. Yeah, and, and at the same time, we were also able to increase our presence online, or advertising dollars went up. So the number of leads that we're

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in totality across the nation. So the so these are some, like, actual objective, impacted results that had and what were the lessons that we learned, I mean, there's a number of lessons. I mean, I could go on for an hour about that. But the key thing is that there were learnings for myself personally, as well as those whom I work with, at the same time. And so there is a single story for myself, firstly, memory and experience as well as those that I work with. So but that's like an application of a

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a strength that I was able to do. Does that answer?

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Yeah, absolutely. That that is also my cows up shell kind of developed and like memories are made and kind of implemented like all three of the kind of steps you mentioned, which was, what are you inclined to towards? What do you kind of invest in knowledge wise, and kind of be an extension of your curiosity and release airbrushing memories, mastery of the skill set? Sorry. And that is pretty awesome. And I'll just take you back to something you mentioned earlier, which was the art of dollar cost, which you've got running right now, what is it all about? And how does it fit into what we've been talking about, like marketing, branding stories? Sure. Can you connect that for us? Yeah. So

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okay, so the order, the way that I set it up, it's, it's basically, it's in four parts, right, and each part kind of follows the other, the first part goes into discovering what your superpowers are, and how to wield it. So it goes into the whole exercise of knowing and make it taking stock of your talents, curiosities, and inclinations, with the knowledge investment that you have, and the skill sets that you've mastered? What are the stories associated with that? So that's what the whole first part goes into. The second part goes into communicating within the context of your strengths, because a lot of times people want to do a lot of different things. They have a lot of great pie in

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the sky ideas. But the question is, when you want to engage and connect with people and really apply value and benefit, are you doing that from within the context of your strengths? Right? So it's a simple example. Let's say there's somebody who is a fantastic doctor, okay? There's plenty of doctors in the Muslim community, but let's just use that as an example, that

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now that doctor, he loves what he does, he's good at it.

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But when it comes to contributing to the community, he decides to do the accounting, okay? Now is accounting really, where he should be focusing his energies, it's one thing to say, Hey, I have a passion as for accounting on a hobby, and it would be interesting to me, somebody likes that one day, but to but for that person to go into, like, do the accounting and the books, when they're actually have strengths in something else is a waste of their talents and energy. And what in fact, maybe what they should be focusing on is perhaps maybe setting up a free clinic or something in that community if they don't have one, right or, or some sort of advice and consultancy service for the

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local community. If they want to essentially really give back, right get somebody who's actually an accountant or find a finance professional, to handle the books for the

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for that message or whatever. That's, I mean, that's like an example of knowing how to apply your strengths.

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Or, you know, give to a community and engage in dialogue within the context of your strengths.

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So does that answer the question? Yeah, that's a good point that you make, because, like time and time again, we see people that kind of do something completely different. And then, like the best uses are made out of that, like, for example, the exam, like the doctor and the accounting example. It's a really good example.

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Yeah, I think I think those those two occupations really come up a lot. But it's really about like, what you just said, giving data in the context of your strengths. And I think sometimes we get a bit skewed in, like, what our strengths are, and things like that. It's like the whole writing thing. It's easy for us or something.

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Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, at the same time, I don't want to knock an individual that that like, that wants to develop a strength in a particular area. But some people might see that as Oh, what are you doing? Yeah, that's not your area. Yeah. Right. So yeah. So like, for example, you know, would it be fair for me to knock on Kanye West? For getting into the fashion industry?

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Maybe not.

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But, but maybe that's the strength he's trying to develop granted that his first foray into fashion is a complete disaster, in my opinion. Yeah. But but maybe that's something he's gonna he wants to develop. And granted, if he continues to develop, I think those three areas and to have enough stories and success stories to

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to garner that, then yeah, he could potentially do it. Yeah. But when it comes to downloa, I don't think doubt is a place for us to

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play around with that, especially in where we live today, I think we should really develop ourselves individually, and then contribute to dialogue, as opposed to having doubt be like, oh, let's just do it on the side as a as whatever, like a pet project, where you're making like left out Sonny's or something. Kanye West style.

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But with, with strengths, I mean, you did mention earlier that it can be something that you're interested in. So say if someone were to even use that in a dour context, that they were interested in a particular area, and then they they obviously spent time outside actually learning more about it and putting the effort into it, then that would that be such a bad idea.

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being interested in something or being curious about something is in itself, not a strength. And even if you have a talent in particular, that in of itself is not a strength, the strength is when you have a combination of these factors. Right? When you have Okay, you know, your your talents, you know, you're curious, you've actually gone and sought some knowledge about it. And and then you develop actual skills. I'll give you a situation where it can be very dangerous for if you don't have these three things. Yeah, let's just say,

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let's say I'm an individual who is talented towards clinicea. Like, you know, in terms of kinesthetically, right, if I'm really, really strong, and I'm talented in that area. And then at the same time, I developed certain skill sets in terms of knowing how to engage with this person, build rapport. And, but then I don't have knowledge of physiology. And I go ahead and start trying to help and and do work on the professional level, to be a physical therapist for somebody right now without knowledge that I could hurt that person. Like, I can mess them up. Because I don't know what I'm doing just because of two particular aspects of that strength formula. It could be the other way

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around. I could know about physiology, and I could be talented kinesthetically. But if, if I don't know how to engage within an individual, I could help the individual but the person could leave with a really bad impression of me. And this is one of the reasons why a lot of doctors get sued, is because they don't build the appropriate kind of rapport. Because if you think about it, who wants to sue somebody they like? Yeah, that's the kind of wants to have like a doctor house kind of situation. But he certainly I mean, but he's so good at what he does. Right, but

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but but then, but in the story, they mitigate that facet by him not being the face of the department. Kostya, yeah. I guess that's where reputation kind of comes into it. And yeah, that put us at that in doubt as well.

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absolutely. So I'm below like, I want to get into like something a bit different. Like, could you tell us this, I know this is gonna be a bit hard, but what is a must read that you can recommend for our listeners? Sure. I mean, the most read in terms of the

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last six months, I would say check out the book, within the context of marketing, branding, advertising and PR media would be trust me, I'm lying, but Ryan Holiday. And the reason why I would recommend his book is

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one he kind of like it's being kind of a whistleblower, in terms of how news media is operating today, instead of it being fact base is just being it's becoming become iterative journalism, meaning get to market first, who cares if we're right or wrong, and then we'll correct along the way, it's all about traffic, and so on. But the key thing, the thing about this book is that it's one of the few books that have actually gone back and read more than once from front to back. Because he's taken a very academic topic, put it into an approach and approach it in such a street friendly way, in regular language.

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And even for like a marketing professional like myself, there's a lot a lot of stuff that in there that I didn't know, from a media standpoint and public relations standpoint. But I think for anybody who would read this, like one of the things that you will definitely develop is X ray vision, when you see your like news feed, whether it be on Facebook or new sites as to see I see what's happening here. Yeah, and yeah. Cool.

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Awesome. I like that, that X ray vision kind of thing. And I think what's really interesting about what you mentioned, about the whole whistleblower thing, and marketing is the fact that just what we were talking about earlier, and how like you need to establish a good reputation.

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And then how media kind of doesn't even do that it goes ahead straight to marketing first. And so there's already that disconnect to that distrust that people have. And I find that really fascinating.

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Yeah, I mean, one of the challenges that the media has gone into, because traditionally, media has been a place for people to work to establish a reputation. But what happens if the reputation of the media itself becomes one of untrustworthiness? Now, on an on an American news

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context, this has happened in the past, but it's been typically been referred to as yellow journalism and in muckraking. But this is something that was in the early part of the 20th century. But then a lot of that stuff got cleaned up. Now, what's happened is because communications become so easy and simple in the digital age, I think we're going back and reverting back to the idea of yellow journalism and muckraking.

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But I think eventually, once people start realizing this, and understanding this better, than some of these things will continue to what will go back to becoming the way that they should be. But it won't happen unless people know what's happening. I'm sure you had to know about it before you can change it. And I just want to take it back to what we've talked about about reputation. But

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if you kind of to give us like a summary like that,

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it's important for us to have a good reputation like and in order for us to rewrite, you know, our, our narrative in the Dallas scene. But how can we do this? How can we kind of go about reinventing our narrative and building a better reputation, especially on an individual level?

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So when it comes to building a narrative, it really, it goes back to the storytelling facet. Right? It like one, knowing your strength is one thing, knowing how to communicate is a different thing. But once you can, the challenge a lot of people have is having the capacity and endurance to continue to do that work. And part of that goes into managing one's own energy. And that goes from a spiritual sense from a emotional financial, as well as intellectual area are you continuing to grow and progress in all these four areas so that you have the capacity and endurance and the tenacity to continue to do that work? Like a narrative is established when you continue to regularly fulfill

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your promises?

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And and you can do that consistently, if you're strong in what you do. And and ultimately, over time, that story can become your legacy because other people want to be part of your epic, and ascendancy how many more people would want to say, I mean, think about it. It's just an American history. I mean, I know you guys are Australian. So

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Australia, which kind of speaks to my American upbringing, Americans on anything outside of the country.

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They got a bad reputation here.

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But like, but like two things in history that that give you a clear context of like when in World War Two

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Pearl Harbor happened. You know, we, current generation Americans, when we see somebody that was alive during that time, one of the questions that we tend to ask them, it's like, Hey, where were you during Pearl Harbor? And and in our generation today in America, one of the things especially it's for those who are in the northeast, and when in New York City when 911 happened, where were you when the when the tower wars were hit? Right. So, like, there's a whole narrative around an event. And I think, you know, as we get older, and you know, and we have children that are our age, one of the things that they might ask is, where were you when everybody was hitting on Islam and Muslims?

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And what, what was the contribution that you guys had? And that would be one thing, but at the same time for us to be able to answer that same question on the Day of Judgment.

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Absolutely. No, that sounds really significant. Like we're the kind of like, ark of the story. Yeah, yeah. So how can you actually make use of this

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with our projects that individual might decide to do online? Because I know that there's a lot coming up now. And people are making use of the media and different platforms now? How can they make use of this concept of reputation and building a bit of story pretty much and keeping stuff here? Like what a person can do individually? That's hard for me to answer. Okay, then as a collective?

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Yeah, I mean, as a collective it, part of it would have to be is one of the questions that keeps coming into my mind. I don't know the answer to it yet. But the question, and I guess this could be part of my whole curious factor. But what is, especially living in a society where we are a very, very small minority, okay. But yet we have such a big spotlight. The question is, what is it that we, as a community can do to better and enhance the society that we live in? And at the same time,

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to scale it back a little bit? us individually? And us as families, individual families? What is the right that the immediate community has? And I'm not talking about like the rights of the Muslim? No, I'm talking about the rights of individuals, Muslim, non Muslim, or whatever? The what is the rights that they have, that we, as individuals, and as families need to be working to fulfilling? And how can we go beyond that? Like, how can we do that? And more? I don't know the answer that question. So but if, if we can start working on that. And collectively, I think that's something that's going to bring about a far more positive narrative

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in the areas that that community, Muslim communities are established. And at the same time, it would be something that other communities be like, hey, look, Muslims, I think you should move into our community here, so that you guys can do exactly what you did there, because it's awesome.

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Absolutely not. I love that, like, you know, going and fulfilling the rights of all individuals and going out, you know, beyond that, and just like that would, I'm just having like a picture now, that would just make that just makes the whole world of difference. Like it's just awesome. Yeah. That mean, it reminds me of a story that a friend of mine, Amar, he was mentioning, you were saying that?

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I think it was, they'd been hooked up. The brother of Omar been hooked up, had been murdered. During the read the words this is after the death of the Prophet Muhammad.

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his brother had been murdered and killed during that time. Now the person who had killed him Omar layer in during his high laughter, had encountered him and he asked him, Hey, are you the one who killed my brother?

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And the guy had basically responded Yes, but I'm Muslim now. And, and he's like, okay, but for as long as you're alive, I don't want to ever see you. And and then his response was, will your dislike for me, prevent me from getting my rights in what is just to me in the society because you are the leader of the people here? And he said, No. And debasis responded, no, you'll get your full rights. Then he said, What do I care if you love me or not?

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As long as as long as there's justice, then I could care less if you like me, or I couldn't care less if you liked me or not.

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That I'm just like, that would have taken a lot of guts. I don't care if you like

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it, but if you think about it in a model, he was telling me he's reflecting on this and he's like,

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You know what, we live in a society today where we care more about the love of the people. And we're willing to sacrifice and what is being just then. And he was saying because he's from Sudan, and he mentioned that,

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because he came across some folks who were from, and I think one of the Gulf countries or was a Saudi, I'm not sure one of the other Arab peninsula countries. And they were saying, Oh, we love the people of Sudan. And, and he was thinking in the back of his mind, yeah, you love them. But why is it that you treat them so badly when they're in your country?

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Absolutely. Yes, that's true. Back to that, like the whole, you know, loving people versus justice kind of thing. Really.

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I really, I really enjoyed what you just mentioned below, and just kind of like going, wrapping up to our final question.

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What is a one life hack that you can give to our audience that they can use to get a hit? What would what would it be? Sure. One life hack is actually a health related life hack, and has to deal with because you know, when it comes to a lot of people just kind of burn out, and not

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the idea of recovery. And the way that you can recover is two things. hydrate and hydrate by adding a little bit of salt to the water, and in recovery, meaning get eight hours of rest every night.

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Absolutely. Love it. Well, thanks for that tip fill out and I was speaking to us about this topic. It was really great. And I'm sure our listeners are going to be benefiting from it a lot, especially the past about reputation, just as filling the rest of people. It's all really great stuff. inshallah. Yeah. And just for our listeners, where can we connect with you and find you on the web? Where Where can we take? where can our listeners go to find more about the art of Dell as well? Sure. Okay. So if you want to learn more about the art of dow, I just simply go to art of dow.com ar T of da w h.com. If you want to connect with me personally, there's ECAM on my on social, whether

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it's Facebook, Instagram or Twitter, you can connect with me at venture ba k VNTUVVA k. That's my initials. And yeah, just shoot me a tweet or a Facebook post or Instagram or whatever. I should respond. Awesome. Thanks so much below, guys do connect with below through his video and also have a look at out of dollar.com as well. Really great stuff. Once again, Bill, thank you so much for joining us on the show. Thanks for having me.

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