Islam, Music & Singing – Part 4
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Opinions of Sahabah, Tabieen and Fuqaha
So before the break, and I'm not going to go through them all, I've given you some examples of
on this issue, some long ones
indicating as though it's hard to deal with music consumed, whether it's buying and selling of a musician or a singer, woman, whether it's singing itself, whether it's listening to it, some of the examples, that
they are very weak or they are fabricated, they cannot be brought together to establish a ruling, which isn't coming from the other attributes or to support any of that Have you forgiven me which are authentic, all the ones we've gone through before, are authentic, plenty of examples of what's going on time I'm assuming Russell allowed to sell them in the gods Dean brown we talked about earlier on and then nothing absolutely clear from that.
That in regards to forbidding it, therefore, the the premise, which is, the original premise stays, which is an acidophilus either a hill or Ilaha. But the premise in regards to everyday life is it's allowed unless it's been forbidden from texts clearly. Now,
something about the focus on your sensitivities mentioning about
abubaker, for example, nice thing about this model shaped on these students have shaved off and how the profits are also secondary, the focus is on mentioning about shift on money when a woman is arriving for the woman who's singing and playing the drum for us last lesson, which is not in any case, it's not in there anything for those who want to live. And the woman that was asked to sing that.
who was known as a singer, is actually called the sound painter, who kinda means a professional singer.
Because some tried to say because of the difference came as we call fabricated about the one who gets involved in buying and selling of singers and musicians and all the negatives about punishment for those kind of people using those kind of leads because they didn't corroborate them. Then they went and attach that to the hadith of icomoon minis being with those two young women singing in the house the message of allama day and he and they said notice I said they will not move on the stand. They were not professional singers. In other words, so some of them came to conclusion because of that. Singing is allowed Yeah, but not professionally. Some of them went further as I said to you
before singing is allowed as long as it's not true. Not with musical notes. Well, it's not singing that is it?
It's not singing so let's try and use that with the other one. She defeats it with the honey which is authentic that this woman is a painter and apothic sauce I'm saying sink and give us a plate to play with and to sing and listen to it. But he says shutdown is blowing down who knows should bomb being attached obviously from where it's being mentioned in a heartbeat doesn't mean how otherwise why would the prophesize some carry on with it and actually do it when he mentions himself. I will welcome the next thing set on and he's mentioning shutdown runs away when Americans so shutdown being messy doesn't necessarily mean Haram. Neither is it mean macro? Because the Profit System
didn't do McCool things by the way. So if you're also going to say Baku or I will say it's not Haram, we'll accept it. Was this macro? No, the prophet SAW some doesn't do my role. So Lola while he was somewhere else, it doesn't do nothing. Oh, yeah. So how do we understand it?
When I understood it is the nature of music.
The shutdown warning blowing down her nose and
it is the nature of music on him being addictive
music being addicted, you can get away with music and that's true of other things which can come and allow as well can't play football for example, how these people are crazy and many Muslim guys as well. obsessive Yeah. So music with it is obsessiveness, addiction and fat but it's the ringing and playing inside the mind constantly with can block out other things.
Right. And keep in mind where I started about the citizens of our Deen and our life and where we're heading. Yeah, it is not to make it haram that we need to do that the warning is there not to get carried away with it. And that's what I believe that was a message because blowing down a she was a singer.
Yeah, but it didn't stop them because of that.
But it is an indication of Be careful of this.
Be careful of this.
and also that it can mean shutdown it can mean that actually because it's the letter time that you're wasting time
that you're wasting time.
as I said love and leisure time including senior senior music, therefore can be can be asking what's the hub recommended in different situations, and other kinds is more back and allowed. Yeah, other time is moku. Whereas in Baku dislike when you spending so much time with it. And actually stopping you're doing for example, Vicar turning to the Koran, which are almost the hub
was supposed to have meaning recommended.
which is not the hub and recommended so if it's stopping you that it can it can come under kurata haram only when it comes to situations when deviating you from actually performing your obligatory duties.
So, but it pulled you away from
And it's taking away from belief to disbelief
and taking you towards doing fashion.
I'm doing forbidden things, attracting and pulling in that marriage.
Now if we look
at the time after the prophet SAW some the tab the interview tab again and then the author, Allah, the grits medipol, among others. I mean, they weren't just for obviously there's many valamar
who stood alone on there. As a historical fact we have
100 fee on the analogy of a Chevy on ha Nabila. But it's not limited to be aware of that, at that time is around that time before the one afternoon, there were great Olimar of the same caliber as them and even better.
And they didn't have the same opinions either.
And then you
saw, but historically, those that have got became popular, but before we look at that
the thing with this hardly majority, of course, was strongly against this against this field. And you may wonder and ask why.
And I think it's partly to do with Harry's verification, that's a big issue amongst all ama of all ages, by the way, have you certifications, so they can come across we call and they don't know. And they just use them. And if you don't have a principal like he put for four weeks at least and you know, there is no principle you can do use Chinese whispers to justify what you want to say. When we don't disclose words like that he's really not too far away with something what he's mentioned, it's just destroyed. So there is this is an issue. Other is to do with interpretation. It is definitely to do with culture, and an idea from religious people who are all a man
You know, and they want, they don't want people to be deviated and pulled in a different direction. So with fear of that they're trying to, they call something called sub deny,
when you don't have anything preventing something which is mobile from the Quran and Sunnah, some Olimar came with the idea of subdividing, blocking the means blocking the path. So they think, Hmm, this is this is getting a bit too much now, and people are going to be turning away from the Quran, and they'll be going towards music and singing. Let's block it by saying that it's not allowed because it's going to lead to absolute carnage. So outcome caution, but actually, you're not allowed out of caution as a principle of jurisprudence to make something haram which Allah has allowed on his messenger as Baba, you have to be very careful. Yeah.
And even in this regard, when you're talking about blocking the means, and that's what the, that's blocking the means is the method that used to stop women driving in Saudi Arabia all these centuries, or, or decades, wherever, you know, and now we're getting to Oh, how amazing Saudi Arabian women are allowed, being allowed to drive certain women. I mean, what world that we live in.
If that scholarship, Allah, Allah help us, allow us, and that was using Sunday right to the extinguishing it, you know, blocking the weeks, I think there's always to do with, you know, again, it's women, if the the brunt of it, the woman have to face not the man,
then and this is a mentality issue. But here anyways to do with that sort of background, and I gave other four greatest scholars I love and respect for so many of them from Nevada, and those who even work outside them, got their own opinions and all that even though like so, we'll find in the likes of Evan Tamia who are very strongly against music. And
so this is why I believe it's that
fear of people are going down the deviation path, but also it is mixing up it is mixing up the issue of music and singing with the content and what is being useful.
That's very important to understand.
You need to separate the two
there, there's music here plus say this getting kind of everything but then there's a music in this particular section.
So if you mix it all up, then he all looks hard all the time.
So you've got to separate the issues to realize what exactly said being done and sent here, what the evidence is that we have.
So, it is important to to understand that certainly in the early days in the jasmine, especially Medina, the mom zone is famous for saying
socket tariqah demoss connections a Montessori di 124 hijiri.
A great collector, a decent grade scholar in Medina
guide 124 years ago.
But he wasn't a critic of it. It was a transmitter of at least a collector and a scholar of bread regard. But he could also possibly for two a week so but maybe scholarship as well. He famously said be careful of stew to statements from Medina and two from the people of Iraq. And probably now he said be careful of the opinion in regards to music and singing. Obviously he wasn't happy with it. But Medina is is famous for that.
I have mentioned to you before and you have from the tabbing in you have saved it no more second, who is even more a bigger scholar and more famous 70 Mark Zandi he died in 94 easily.
the colleagues from the the severe of the club again now you got to tidy up. So he's very young when he met the Sahaba. But in the Messiah is a direct student of all I will
say that it will save in Medina and it is mentioned in authentic report that he was his daughter he allowed to play the the top
like an instrument
and a Ba ba
ba became a scholar Academy in Mecca.
He said law that's really been our mission. There's no problem with singing poetry, even for the Muslim, the one in Iran going for her general MRA
and that being said,
After mentioning the Jaeger nine, who's famous Hadith center, Angelo Medina, they give roxa. They're given flexibility and relax, they're relaxed about music and singing the people of Medina, they are well known for it to be liberal with it. That mom that is messaging me saying that, and then they might not be actually mentioned in the report I mentioned to you corroborating why they were like that because the prophets are so uncertain Yojimbo, your gebouw level, surely the unsub they're like, they like music and amusement. probably saw some setting. So this is gonna be like corroborating one Medina kind of being like that. But for a time period, you have
a man lobby in the reports of life stories of people of reporters and in Seattle alhama novella, famous compiled lesson of manga I mean, he mentioned somebody from it, but Fabien Ibrahim even SOG. Ibrahim Ibrahim is Saturday, but he is from the companions of imams already, and Imam Bukhari and Muslim to Cadiz from him. So he's trustworthy. Yeah, in contrast to what some of them will say afterwards, they might like him, um, Shafi and others, and I think they humble singer, we don't accept their witness in court, we might take a nice photo. So now we'll have a Muslim kicker these from the famous Ibrahim even son named Rahim, and a daddy says canon uj Eagle Sonata levina. He was
very good in singing
and he said he came to Iraq, not because on I mean, transmitted Hadees from zori. And he used to sing as well. We have Bella Eva.
This is what this
is. And from the tablet Avi came from an era and he actually came to the court of her own machine and he sang funny with a bill old with a
you know, the flute,
the string instrument
and his father was a bigger chef, Mr. Malik in Medina. His father was sadhana Ibrahim, it was a bigger shift or certainly as big as in that money and he was okay with singing and music. Around the same time.
We also have dimension of from an expert carbene is my 11 in Jamia morning,
mahogany Sorry, it's my 11 Jamia al Mohammed meaning he's a singer is my and he was mean absolute Mecca. Yeah. And he was silent for on meaning he was calling for the Quran. But he was known as a singer as well.
And also that had been mentioned in life stories say the formula of Omnia.
This lady who was a respected singer aleja been too big to Maddie.
He mentions it in a scene of a llama novella. And he said she was a shy you know audibility. Now she was a poet as a poet. And she was well known for her singing while Lucy cop and her music.
But I think that the song that if I were a woman, she had a melodious voice
that was reporting in a melodious, melodious voice and she was a woman with ductwork
also another arlynn say they'll say they'll not that mean, a leader of singers, is talking about Ibrahima, mostly from Mosul.
So you find especially in the ages in Medina, you find people people both standing and caliber as well. They'll be mentioned by lobby I've not met them up visiting classical times. He's talking about him the first century. Yeah, during that time and after
people who are actually famous for that, famous for that.
And they're not from the public. They're scholars,
the scholars, so that was their opinion, obviously. So the the laugh don't get carried away and that's why I like the the the work of an art show, Connie, who says it's false this claim on EMR that all the scholars are agreeing that music and singing is around. That's why I wrote the book. He said this claim is false.
from the ground, sometimes false. And he's absolutely right. He's absolutely right. Because he mad to train us to silence everybody else. And just like him, those who come to allow singing, yeah, or singing a music, they try and
twist some of the understanding or the triangle character assassination on them, which is not just dealing with the argument, don't do character assassination. The argument you need to deal with that's not scholarly just to say, Ah, he's a liberal, and he's gonna upset Islam anyway, how often do you hear that nowadays? What kind of scholars that he allows you to now that he's left Islam, I'll deal with the argument, don't just make somebody out to be you know, fossick coffin that we were very good at doing that.
But deal with the argument that even husband projects is just amazing, brilliant. Even that I have
a title, love to see who was soupy and Mohanty also, from the same same period died.
Early sixth century, it hasn't died 505, at the same time, also playing a similar time wrote a brilliant treatise on on how music and singing is not hard on concrete to what others are saying. It has an argument of what the evidence is of the Bible putting
his own school of thought, and he to have a go of him saying in the husband, as he's an he's defunct as army school. Well, that doesn't make your argument strong. Even husband was a great scholar. He wasn't from the form of that he that he was critical. Of course, as a as a human being, he made mistakes, and he still does well. But there's other analyses. And his scholarship, nobody can question and challenge it was a great scholar even has a model that is behind the loose, and as others have said, and the luthier is a good place to look. In the modeling. Where is really times Medina was a good place to look if you want to get the best opinion about music and singing later on
in Santa luthier. Yeah, because the scholars in that side of the world were more lenient, and perhaps took more from the Marines in regards to music and singing in Madrid and in Spain.
it heard a cellophane, Schiff
he was saying, and he was acknowledging, and he's saying that there are those, you know, like, even a husband does everything he possibly could think of, I thought he would just wanted everybody else's all united against music and singing. But he's saying even even a husband, Alicia respect, even hasn't even have a great scholar, we're giving some excuse, because I'm the luthier where he was, there was a lot of music and singing around and translating the culture. He's sitting in Britain, by the way, saying this,
what about the place you're sitting in?
Is it interesting, could you not maybe not understand and learn something in the hazard and the call how culture affects the opinion of Allah and scholars
otherwise handle making the whole public doing harm left, right, and center, as well. So we have to think, from the sources, and then the maximum and one level anyway. So
le times and then a little bit before I give my final analysis convention also.
were strongly against
music and singing, that's of an effect and the two famous students will use 100 millimeter 100, they will happen. I say, Mommy,
and he's to fuel the use of Mohammed Abu Hassan, what do you make of the opinion that if the some of these instruments is broken, that you don't have to pay the cost of breaking the instrument, although hanifa was the opinion then you have to pay for the cost of the materials. But you also have a similar thing you mom, Shafi as well, if some of these instrument is broken, then they don't have to be compensated even more break the instruments of those who are musicians to follow those opinions and nothing needs to be given to them as compensation for doing that.
So an affiliate he presents there, what they allow. Now what he says
is the same a professional singer male female is committing a major sin
when they get
when they get up, did we seen any withdrawals from the crown soon where we can
come to that conclusion, that vein on some of the promises asking her to see if she's committing a cabal of major sin. Why is it publicized?
And then witnesses not accepted. So usually Islam for example, if it comes in Cork, the Hanafi will say, Sorry, you're a singer. We're not gonna accept your witness. We can't accept your word for anything.
no evidence. But not not using mocassins were in the past in the past, if you know where his music and even if you make it wrong, compared to other things, how can you put it the same level of stealing and Zina and, and slander which are from the cabana? Think? So like he says, what's allowed personal singing only for the woman because the man singing, becomes effeminate is mohana
a woman is love to sing. And man is not allowed to sing, because it's a failure.
So a woman can see, man's not love. But the woman can't sing in front of a mixed audience men can't hear because the waist is over. She might be tantalizing and be affecting the hearts
so but she does love to sing professionally with musical notes. These are the conditions for singing by the way. So she thinks she can sync privately to yourself secretly
sequencing not quality musical notes you can sync to herself. So she can sync in a gathering of women for example that allow that that only that singing and the playing of duck some aloud which is only a drum northern instruments on eight days, circumcision time weddings, because they couldn't get away with the only artists or dates and now they're limited and say only duck because that's all in play though they know the music wants to move all of them are haraam.
And of course, other things are clean words, we accept that clean words and not been excessive, except that with not the other stuff. And then we have Malik in the annex molokhia kinda Malik Yeah, can I hope the first one but as he felt worse, even dislike dislike as his famous student than the Maliki scholar of the Rotman in Rajasthan said, the molecules of dislike the even the drums and other instruments even in wedding kindness.
If there was the famous Maliki scholar, he said, What is famous is that from the valkyr, that, that the Duff playing the DA for the drum is Jay's it's allowed for men and women,
for men and women. And that is the statement of agnostic when I mentioned before the Great Maliki scholar.
And he said that Malik just didn't like the appearance. Yeah, he claimed by Skipper Ross says Malik didn't like the appearance of those kind of people who are seeing and playing music. He didn't like that, hey, the way they look. Yeah.
Because, you know, if you go back historically, also the kind of people and not from the early time because I've met some few scholars in that. But in the middle period
is middle and Middle East. It was only a few years ago for India supporting the kind of people involved because of perhaps the harshness that were all about treaties, singing and dancing. When it was people involved in clubs and prostitution and loads of the law in the community. That's how they were seen as well.
So that that affected also what we what we need to realize that Alana's opinion being harsh about tech shoved people into that category. And therefore people who are uncooled were generally involved in singing and dancing and prostitution all night and drinking.
And now after that, you say, well, we don't set that witness. That's because you push them into that kind of
into that kind of area where now you negate them. So it's a vicious circle in the sense that was, that's being projected
even for singing Moloch said in the my Yahoo in Danelle kousaka in Medina in his time when he died 179 injury but he said in my experience, the kind of people who are doing a singing a facade, there are people who have fossick then you know, bad people basically saying,
but that's not the experience of others. But I told you there was something bigger Brahim was a big big chef like Molly and all of them might actually matter.
He's younger than him and he was okay with singing and music in Medina Excel
70 mt Shafi
where it was very strong against music and singing and was for actually again no warranty for breaking the instruments there will not be giving any compensation and his
students other shafia they are allowed Duff of all the playing of drum during their weddings during circumcision celebrations.
And a singer in regards to singing didn't accept the witness of a man or woman who was a singer
but he was okay as far as the hotel was concerned which was the camera writing song which was a song as well
yeah, but limiting it just to that because that's all we've got the evidence for limiting without any real evidence too limited so we're okay with that I'm willing to humble
various opinions and often you find without a humble depending on which students supporting and when he said it you have all the opinions in many issues you have all the opinions from haram to hollow out okay. That's very common with many issues that are happening the humble and the gospel this however
does not have is off for music is the cream Absolutely. Making a cut on
allowing the drums to be played on the at the time of the calf? Wedding only in Nirvana nevertheless humbling in his moment in
which I was telling a few days ago, he said However, for me, this allowance to play the drums is not limited in the car. It's anytime. It's humbling. So he comes up and say like I can't see anything against this. So he says being behind in the car ain't your juice, dun dun dun
in regards to
the opinions, I mentioned some of the scholars from the likes of Hassan Mohammed Al Azhar Ali, Abdullah, honey and Natalie Lucy, who was 12th century history scholar as the Hanafi. In a Sufi, again, they wrote about this about a line of some art as long as the conditions and the handlers I did put conditions on some art, which is singing and when they talk about he was talking from a Sufi point of view as well.
I will have resolved itself was against majority of musical instruments, but I will have a resolve himself great scholar, but was was very weakened,
is Fei Lumo D, which was then checked by the thing is full of weak and fabricated. Very few, there are some authentic ones offered by Rocky, the famous muhaddith and critical that he went through and yellow day and he said I hardly found any authenticity in it. But doesn't take away from that amazing work of
ohama bizarre but when you come to Hades and saying it says ghazali mentioned this, then be careful. That's the message from it.
And then lifter LMS in the husband I mentioned the
dialogue to see and present time as it came out with a fun one. Check out Dolly, who we met we had the
on more than one occasion I met him sitting and listening to him. And we had the great opportunity of sitting with the Mohammed Lala Sally Rahim Allah who died in the 90s
a fisherman I met him in his house in his home I had some hours with him an amazing scholar again, their opinions of again for music and singing. Allow using the agencies so that they're famous for that.
Now, when we say that
we have to apply it to our context. Before you run away with the idea that Dr. Money has said all music and singing is alone. Now for other reasons majority the music and singing today
let me say it again.
Majority of the music and singing of today is how Why?
Because of the way
It's not because of the beach, by the way,
which is going back to the old argument against scholars past and present by Scott de
haraam because he's gonna beat not because of the beat because of the words because of the mix dancing because of the words in current and because the situation is all encouraging drunk taking alcohol all that kind of thing. Mix dancing. Yeah, the videos are being produced with it Fantasia majority of the you know, and I know
so they become home because of that. And that is the mass majority east and west by the way brothers and sisters is not you look at the Middle East and they just copy and a bollywood bollywood went well beyond them in the last couple of decades. Yeah. So I used to stay away anyway, my mum used to criticize me about 10 years ago for not watching bollywood movies in Bollywood and watching some of the bollywood songs with her and I know plenty of bollywood songs from the past they're not of the same caliber as presently but now in the last five years he stopped criticizing this he said he's they've taken all the clothes off in everything they've gone beyond what the West has done that's
nice become like you know
so vast majority because of that
and however you have songs which have a Goodman under us
and that can be a love song by the way I believe they used to call them lesson Leslie employed tree I love songs to do with emotion and things like that. Either you're missing the loved one your wife or your husband or your children or your home or you're missing your water or your your place where you left. Yeah.
So the points came with point three, and singers made them into songs. Now, whether it's a male or female singing it
if the words are clean, then between a husband and wife listening to such a song without a video, if it's your face on the video, you can cancel a video today you can listen to it from a distance because in the past you have to go on to a gathering to see the singer in front of you see now you can just put it on
you can put it on radio your phone calm you slice these The words are clean, male or female sing it and not encouraging you to do wrong, that it's fun. Even alongside love song I said between a husband and wife is absolutely fine. Courtesy it is love which is acceptable. Yeah, it is poetry, which is acceptable in a melodious tune.
Not with it, loads singing and other load words, etc. And you're sitting in your home.
So that sort of thing. And then, of course you have
music in general. They put the TV on when you hear music. I don't believe so.
I don't believe so. You know, you put the news on music theory music, music and films. You know when it's expensive and and the whole issue of film is another issue of course to do with what you're watching. Yeah, if it's got five star in it, try to avoid it. Yeah, check it before you go to the cinema. The whole issue cinemas are even allowed to go so you know, people are often I don't know, open up whole corridor of things. But nevertheless linked with it is music in a film or a drama. What are you watching music in documentaries I mentioned to you slips of the music and trying what's the hump going on? Or where else is going on with pretty boring
evil with the voice of David Attenborough.
And, you know, some people
some people try to play word games
as they did when
they're doing this, and the processors are not they're not doing it. They said Ah, well, that's the difference between listening and hearing. Really? Yeah, because listening you're listening and hearing you're just hearing the same way it is.
The same music, same song can have the same effect on your heart and mind. Of course it can. So what's the difference between listening and hearing? Don't play games. So insane Okay, while you're in a supermarket, you have no choice you're just hearing is sort of a sister. That's fine. Nice. Not if you say Serrano is wrong. So you're doing how
are we doing haram and, you know, every moment of the day with the society that we live in.
So music and singing per se, what makes it wrong? I think I've clarified if we come to
and the idea of concepts again, you know, majority again, with the
Category how would we have because the kind of songs they sing and the concert is live as well even if somebody's a woman or a man, especially women in our culture what we have in the pop culture if perhaps if they sing the song and you only don't see any visuals perhaps it might be a clean song. Yeah, but when you go on see on the stage or watch him with the video majority of the time if he's not clean is it
so for that reason, it becomes around for other reasons and other issues.
Let me say something about machine
machine they called it and I don't like the word machine actually machine is when a cat is singing
people tried to say machine when it when they said Islamic machine because they thought in the shield you have to only sing about Allah Allah La la la la law or the profit cycle I'm sending Salaam Yeah. But actually you see from the office Aslam that kinda who's singing for ISIS? He wasn't singing La, La La La La La solo on the day and he they're not singing La la la la, la, la la.
So the shade Islamic machine, he can Islamic and he could be asking any song I say to you,
which is okay with these words. Yeah, clean. I don't have all the others. This is Islamic machine because it's not an Islamic Islamic. If my opinion music and singing is allowed to mix non Islamic.
The problem with the sheet the way they went is to
which is a problem coming back to the whole of music. And that is when I give an allowance even for the music that is allowed. I still add to it the warning of shutdown breathing down the nose of the singer little sisters.
Don't misquote me. And this is why I want to mention at the end towards the end. I still sent you guys a warning about music.
Yeah, it is addicting. It can take over. And especially having even if it's clean music and singing headphones all day long that we have in society. Yeah, never talk to each other. It's constantly Bang, bang, bang, bang bang, even though the beat might be okay, is that persistence and constancy which doesn't got room any room left in you for your ears, and your heart and mind to listen to the Koran I'm thinking which is really our attachment with Allah subhanho wa Taala isn't it? So when I give it from a practice situation, music even though I say it is by in essence singing the music is how long it must have occupied majority of my life but a little of my life.
And that's what I'll say to the youth don't take the message away from because documentary said it's allowed. Now here we go pop music then that. And when I mentioned this in another talks, the community thing oh my god, he made everything alone. But they don't listen to what I'm actually saying I made most of it wrong.
But it needs to be dealt with in a sensible way with the evidence we have from ground and so now rather than a blanket throw it all out based on emotion.
So you've just made prophesies and the Sahaba coming around if you're gonna come out with music and singing is wrong by blip blanket statement like that. What are you saying?
How many say that, by the way, majority will come up with you go on YouTube and see what they say. Hardly ever do they even give a clue and a pause to think what am I saying? When there's so many I have it from the prophet SAW someone what you've been doing?
I mean, you just included him in it as well. Not only do we live in You should be ashamed of yourself to make statements like that. scholar almost law.
So it needs a delicate, careful analysis and presentation. Yeah, machine. One aspect don't replace pop up when the sheet so now listen from the sheet did that member?
Yes. Because again, I don't have time for the one on again, I want my in case my youngsters to learn understand the ground, the message, the power, that's what I want affecting the hearts. It's okay to have a little bit of a bit of that news. Look, I'm saying it's okay. But not in excess. Not any Secretary accessible. And secondly, when we do in the ship concerts, and I'm one of the original people who started machines actually in the 80s. And we were absolutely blasted because we were against the idea, you know, when I was
in my 20s and 30s, which we were studying Islam at the time, we didn't think that, you know, absolutely singing and music was around. So we started sewing machine cassettes and young Muslims in those days. So we were pioneers in this country of stock in that kind of thing, but the way it went after that I have qualms with it. Because what we have what happened is that we got to shoot concerts, and now in the shoot concerts. We as typical jehlen
Whoops, we elect sheep, we thinking doesn't the sheep concept because we now got Islamic word Islamic machine, we can just behave the same way as a million other concepts. So the girls are standing up and the woman is screaming, ah, but the man was singing.
What kind of what is that?
What is that?
And that I have a problem.
Even though I sing in LA in high Lama sending slum in the property that is the highest?
No, they're not, they're not listening to the word. They're looking at the man, the guy who's singing, he's cool. And you know,
I like the look of him.
And this is, you know, that typical, sit down with dignity and listen, that's fine. But if you're going to go down that road counselor concepts by hankinson,
And then we create an atmosphere, which becomes uncomfortable for families, doesn't it? I got no problem with family sitting there. By the way, there are those who say, yeah, has to be absolutely segregated. No family is fine. But as long as you don't have that kind of atmosphere, and when I noticed that kind of atmosphere about 10 o'clock years ago, I started, I stopped going to a few concerts.
treading carefully is important. Understanding the principles is important. Yeah, and the conclusion we reach, yeah. Is there unless one other law in his mercy centers a dean of force ha, glory be to your law, a dean, which is not kind of sit down, and narrowness and just boring but you know, some of these people, these scholars, I've seen one of them coming to a wedding nikka look what happens in wedding when promises and encouraging. And he came a camera reminder, this album, I remember his review, he talked about death and the new car.
He talked about death. I was dumbfounded. Haha, he has no understanding of property.
I don't care how big he is. But that is not right. And you contrast that with the properties I'm saying? Have you taken any citizen music with you? Suhana love. So this game is so beautiful, but it needs deep thinking and analysis.
Yeah, and to present what is just in balance, without getting carried away with culture and and and and ideal preventing and stopping people you must go back to source and be just with the source as you've seen.
And Allah knows best. I've tried to give you a normal view analysis of
this issue is a very complicated issue, and has very technical aspects to it. And
I hope and pray that Allah accepts from me that I'm going to justice no doubt I haven't. But Allah knows best. Allah is
the one to whom all knowledge and wisdom return with trust in Him. May Allah smart Allah guide us and keep us on track to Muscatine May Allah smart Allah, makers of those who give preference to our here after where we're heading, rather than the delights of this dunya even though the ones which have been allowed for us, we are not helpless, be attached to those but now let's not make our hearts be attached to him. Glory be to Him who is full of mercy and forgiveness for his creatures.
Alone army was on the level of you know, Allah Muhammad wa ala alihi wa sahbihi Rahim
It's interesting. You mentioned that before being a mouse, he enjoys singing the music. We normally associate that with obviously great followers or getting televisions. And you know, sound smart surprised to hear you saying one of those people are local musicians. Yeah, as a kind of evidence.
There's no evidence against it. Why were they so hardcore against it? I tried to bring that out. I mean, they're not absolute us as Lucas, you have some of them having different views of karahan dislike that can be and then they're allowing certain things because they're limiting it to the again, it's an interpreted
In limiting it to the playing of the drum, and not going outside that when we obviously, we have the seeds and we have authentically if we go beyond that. So every time we do look at that, with great respect to them, we have to always go back to the sources as well and see what we have to say. Because that's obviously if we're not the lead people, that's for scholars, and therefore, that's why we have throughout the ages, from Sahaba, Tabby in candles, who disagree with that analysis. And it continued with me, even though that they're there. They're not the majority, but they are great scholars who are mentioned the names of right up until this time who disagreed with that analysis.
That's all we can say.
It was pretty harsh against an even 10 year old or that that anomala. But they were actually independent great scholars. I mean, I love them Tamia. But on this, for example, I mean argument one of the arguments in Bill Clinton puts forward because when the husband says, Look, this is music is a natural thing. And it's like a bird singing. Yeah, bird singing is beautiful. And we like to hear that. And therefore, and there's a tune to it. There's a melody to it. So where's the problem with a human voice doing the same? So I have no claim out use to rebuttal. I says, there's a big difference between bird singing. And a beautiful woman goes enticingly singing, you know, that's where he goes
with it. Now he goes to another extreme. Yeah, he lives. There's something in between the bird singing and before you get to the stage of a woman. Yeah, enticingly singing, and it's creating, you know, desire inside you. Is there nothing in between some unfair argument with his argument on that issue? Yeah, it jumps to that.
You want to come here because you're supposed to be bothered
that, how could you listen to music in the day,
there's no recordings, there's no cassettes, and no CDs. The only way you could is you would hire a singer to come to your house, or you go to the place where they sing. And those places are like, super painful, strangely, half naked.
He doesn't think about a violinist you know, somebody just a classical concert. So there's a lot to be said about the context.
I think that's a big part in it.
That's a big compliment with with lower spectrum.
is a very important
place for people to enjoy.
You know, I'm glad you asked. So I mentioned this point A few years ago, a few times when I've been to Egypt and Syria.
And as I was learning Arabic there as well, it wasn't just self taught by the whale in Arabic from scholars in Syria and Egypt and the lava over there as well rhetorical. I had time to flip through the channels.
Monster channels, there was two choices.
One was Syria and Egypt distinctly flick slick slick, semi naked women singing split semi naked women singing flick blind and non coking with his long beard about everything being
semi naked woman saying it's like another Mr. Male talking about everything.
That's what I know. So I used when I came back here, as I said, I said, Oh, we all admire that people have not pushed people and said there's no legend Islam. Islam, you should be crying all the time. No, we have. We can be being concocting them put forward. Yeah. That when you hear the brown, cry, and if you can't make yourself cry, pretend to cry. It's not authentic.
What kind of woke up pretending to cry.
I need to be in it you get from oligos.
an opponent assassin was a man smiled and asked someone Allahu Allah He was something everybody felt they loved. He loved them more than anybody else getting out Saba. Every
Saw or felt that he loved them.
Locally image, and we that is true, we pushed them said there's no longer Islam. So the people who want leisure, which is majority of human beings, they want some leisure. They don't want grant money, then 99 to two Sahaba promises it prevented them from that. So they said, Oh, well, we'll have to follow the western will have to do it outside religion, because Islam doesn't allow ledger. So now we'll do a quick, therefore, copy the others.
That's a big issue.
So one of the reasons for this now, I'm trying to say Actually, this is a de force ha, for people who live within it, and you have that. But you have the dignity, that there is an offseason. So
some of the week that you mentioned, they really are based on supposition presumption, that is such a person is
set for all the examples that are being where something is prohibited, but hasn't been explicitly prohibited.
Impossible, because that's what you say is impossible. Impossible actions. Yeah.
That's right. There's no example there is no such you can't have that nobody can make something from Allah being without it being missing chromosoma is
they're the ones who are using it to be fair, they've decided from their reading of other maybe weaker isn't that was authentic one, almost 50 authentic one, by the way. They're using other weaker deeds to try and decided that this is wrong. So then they're interpreting that one with that idea.
So if you accepted that, they probably saw slim said that.
Listening to music and singing,
grows seed of hypocrisy in the heart, like the water grows vegetation, which is among companies is rejected. If you accept that, then you're going to look at that. And that's why put your fingers in It is, yeah, well, once rejected, you're the ones authentic, remove the rejected ones. Look at all the authentic ones, where the punks are listening to the singer, and they're singing, then you understand in a different way. So it depends on which side you're coming from to look at it.
There's no evidence to support that.
St. Paul, sorry.
Can you hear the sound
booth in Regent Park?
We loved him.
We had him over for a conference.
And during the question and answer, he was asking us.
So he gave his answer. He said yes.
And he said, This cost about 10 people to stomp out
the protest because he said there's nothing better than
money to make.
Yes, it's true. It's true.
So I mentioned classical music because that's just pure music. And then a majority of scholars say no words to it. No naked dancing, nothing just listening to classical music Harlem. Absolutely. According to majority of them. It can have that. And
and actually, it is well known in Andalusia. Instead they use music for therapy for people with mental problems, but for hundreds of years that's hospital for that. Yeah, yeah. And that's what most so
It does have it does have that element. And that's what the soup is arguing for as well, those who argue for music, but it can, although I don't accept every level and every aspect of what the soup is doing in regards to dancing and going to a halt on a steak. I mean, if you look at some of the stuff with that, I mean, it's so far from Islam, but accepting that, nevertheless, always keep in mind
that not for everybody, it can provide that spirituality. Not for everybody, it depends on if you've got a background with something, where are you coming from? For others? It's just a tune.
Listening to any company for relaxing without the spiritual elevation? Is it allowed for just relaxing? Of course it is. However, I will still come back to the best spiritual Elevation for us is to
get away from that. He wants spiritual elevation. Yeah, and here, if you look at the images that are presented to you, none of them they're too obvious or some of using prescription elevation and sleep you see him even when the ladies the young ladies are playing music, a scene in his house on eBay, what is he doing?
He's covered, he's turning away, he's doing he's showing you something which is better not to make the other haraam. Yeah, but for spiritual connection, that is nothing with this melody with the melody of the Quran, but its meaning Yeah, when she penetrates the heart and that it will, it will take you to the real place. So that's not to say no, it's just a break in mind. So
scholars come up so hard and harsh I
mean, we don't live in isolation and the scholars in those days in science community
have seen youngsters growing up
growing up and suddenly be called a singer or something like that which we want to sing all the time. So sometimes
production of music
he's already done it
when I was when I says that he's already done it he's not left it as under the quiet for you for scholars Dr. Continuity hub later his messengers exemplified it to you what is allowed Hello, yet from any evidence you have given? Yeah, and nothing in the plan to stop you. So as I will understand from the prophesies, so in Manila was reported by
a bus as well.
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one and then equal to A Mara buka and this woman man can see ya.
So he said the Messenger of Allah said what has been meant what is Hello, it's been made clear in the book in Oman, what is haram has been made clear in the book in the Quran, what Allah has stayed quiet about it is out of facility for you relaxation to alfia
pace not because Allah forgot you suggest that a schofer den masala quote from the Quran And your Lord has no does not forget.
So that idea is quite clear. He's made clear what's around Hello. So don't come later on and say we've been driving in the case head on Be careful. You know even in this kind of a car thing I will say scholars of depths that I have great respect for I'm more likely to say I dislike it because then you because warning I make against those who make how allow him to her arm and her arm into her mouth from their own history.
And when there's nothing absolute clear from the Quran and Sunnah and you're doing it on the head, yeah, that's why were cigarettes for example, majority scholars and many still coming up is careful to stay home because they're doing chaos. They're doing an illogical reasoning. There's nothing absolutely clean and safe.
So it's a it's a, it's a very often very carefully.
You mentioned some scholars who mentioned stringed instruments, from their arguments, what is it specifically about string?
according to them as affect you, right, ideally on the day, they divide. And it's an artificial division in their own minds a message coming to you. This sense singing is all right.
And with all the conditions again, yeah, some of them I still like to have a few. But she can see the man can see. Right? So the woman can sing. And
the woman can't sing in front of an audience but a woman can sing privately. And when so when you say the one casting people think well, right, the manual thing they said on the man casting because it becomes like a woman. She can't win either way. So what makes the US they're trying us melody, they say, well, string instruments and flute instruments, wind instruments. They're too melodious. They're melodious. Oh, stop. Drum isn't melodious. Singing the wise isn't melodious, which is nonsense, as I said to you earlier on. Yeah, it's an artificial division and partly others to do with the many many weak Cadiz and fabric in the deep which said I came to destroy the flutes
understand instruments. So some of them fell for those we used to be called rose in the 80s and we took them in just you know, we didn't know what authentical we can eat it and suddenly the teachers were telling us there's never been a checking out there then we just stopped teaching I'm rubbish.
When we choose a song that we listen to,
we have to check with the actual artists who made that song
separate from the piece itself completely separate
to check with a scholar by sending in the verses or your pocket scholar or share Google
Now hurry up and check with the artists get this good come from the good and that we see mobile Come come come come from the motto of asik as that can come from the mouth.
And like cannot
so it doesn't these kind of things are
easy nowadays is electronic music, maybe computers, music software, no instruments whatsoever is
basically or against at least
because of accuracy still sound like music sounds like
Davis said it puppy boxing as I told you earlier on Max and human voice.
Yeah, but if you didn't go down that road, I agree with them.
I agree with them. Because otherwise I say if you have that view is playing trickery, because it sounds like instruments, but I send in some supplies. So beatboxing is fine. So I synthesize music. So you see how they get trapped? It was a very good question it is because
because at the same time they've changed the rules of other things which
say you need to handle the
is interesting actually, you know that was I said earlier on today and the ability to actually not be there and listen to something which takes you away from an illegal wrong atmosphere. You don't have to be at a nightclub or a pop concert you know or smoking with somebody you know around presently you can listen to something without all that which which was not listening possible before
your lecture is your lead gen is lead singing Syrians anyway I love it.
Oh tell you something. Some of these hardliners
was in Dubai. for him. And you know I mean they we we and we waiting for a salon because you see we saw Michelle law who Alberto
Isla and together so in this particular mosque
selfie orientating, they had the view. So as I was saying, they were doing it, but they were purposely doing it out of sync with each other.
So it didn't sound melodious.
it's the most one.
So you guys
are doing something that is not big.
Enough. That's another issue, Bobby that nobody opened that puppy today.
Any other questions?
I am fully drained.
Allah bless you, I don't know how you have to face him.
When you have an amazing audience, I hope you benefited with something. I said, I didn't announce it. I said, whatever opinion you have, whether it's against music, which is fine, you have to follow.
It's not I am not denouncing and we don't do tech feed and say I'm a terrible investment listening to this scholars opinion, follow them, but at least understand where the other scholars are coming from and have some mutual respect. As I understand where I mean, Padma Malik and Shelby, I love them. I respect them. I may not agree with them, but I have mutual respect for that. And that's why it's important here. In the end, you follow the opinion what you're comfortable with.
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