Mohammed Hijab – The Champions Of The Palestinian Cause

Mohammed Hijab
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The speakers discuss the importance of personal activism and giving people credit for their contributions, as well as the limitations of social media and the focus on proilla activism. They also discuss the struggles of George Galloway, a liberal Credit, and the pressure on politicians to be clear about the political situation. The speakers touch on the success of former doctors and the influence of Al Qaeda's book on promoting Islam in society. They also mention the importance of promoting Islam in society, such as in the upcoming election and in the political situation.

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			The prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam told us,
		
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			whoever builds a mosque for Allah, Allah will
		
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			build for him a similar house in Jannah.
		
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			And we know the great reward that will
		
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			not only be gained but rather
		
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			will fill your grave after your death.
		
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			Whenever someone prays there, whenever someone gives shahada
		
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			in the masjid, whenever someone learns something in
		
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			the masjid,
		
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			yes,
		
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			that will be something that you have on
		
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			your scale.
		
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			Assalamu alaikum.
		
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			How are you guys doing? I'm joined with
		
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			a wonderful man,
		
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			a champion in his own right.
		
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			A man I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
		
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			I'm not gonna do anything.
		
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			What we usually do.
		
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			I'm just joined with Zeeshan Ali. Come on.
		
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			Yes. Big deal. See, I've done it. I
		
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			didn't
		
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			turn it around at all.
		
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			I think the viewers, have, you know, they're
		
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			used to it now. There's too much now.
		
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			We've overdone it. We've overkilled it. Definitely.
		
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			Today, what we're gonna be talking about and
		
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			we thought about some interesting videos. And and
		
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			the objective of this video, first and foremost
		
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			is to show or to give encouragement to
		
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			people to continue doing the personal activism.
		
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			Now months months after the conflict, we're approaching
		
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			effectively a year after
		
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			December now. If you think about it, like,
		
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			it was almost
		
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			a year, like Wow.
		
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			We need to continue
		
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			the good work and so I thought to
		
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			myself,
		
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			let's give people credit today. Mhmm.
		
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			You know, and,
		
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			what we decided to do is have a
		
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			list of, you know, the 5
		
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			most influential
		
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			or most impactful or most significant
		
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			people outside of our own Dao sphere. Yeah.
		
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			Okay. Because we don't wanna make this self
		
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			congratulating
		
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			exercise.
		
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			People who have contributed to the Palestine course,
		
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			you're gonna give me your 5, I'll give
		
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			you my 5 and,
		
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			people can decide and put in their comments
		
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			who they think also has done a great
		
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			job. Obviously, we don't include ourselves because we're
		
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			the number 1. There's no doubt about that.
		
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			Shit. We're the number 1 position. Yeah. Yeah.
		
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			That's right. We can't put ourselves in there.
		
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			But let's give credit, actually. Let's start off
		
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			by giving credit. But you know why that's
		
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			important? I think it's a good behavior to
		
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			instill as well because
		
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			negative things and and bad experiences will always
		
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			happen. Uh-huh. And the thing is that it
		
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			doesn't get more worse than the the Palestine
		
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			issue. Yeah, man. In terms of the dunya.
		
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			Mhmm. So
		
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			of course when other things happen in your
		
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			life, yes, you should, you know, mourn and
		
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			yes, you should be upset
		
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			and that should motivate change. Mhmm. But also
		
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			when good things happen, you should give it
		
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			their due right and your attention as well.
		
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			And if a person is skewed only to
		
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			the negative side,
		
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			it's actually It's your it's a good point.
		
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			It's a good point. Studies wise, they say
		
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			that you have a lower
		
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			life expectancy as well Really? Than people that
		
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			are pessimistic.
		
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			Yeah, pessimistic, critical, reputatory
		
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			all the time. We do a lot of
		
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			reputational videos and I think it's only right
		
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			from time to time also that we we
		
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			encourage people and we Yeah. Yeah. Praise people
		
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			because too much negativity is never good for
		
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			anyone. Yeah.
		
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			I think before we say that, okay, we
		
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			said we're not gonna include people in our
		
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			own sphere of Dawah and so on in
		
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			the list because that would just be kind
		
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			of self defeating or self congratulating really, isn't
		
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			it? I think we should, before we we
		
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			give our respective lists, give credit to people
		
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			in the Dao sphere. A lot of them
		
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			Mhmm. Have done excellent, excellent work.
		
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			So for example, Daniel Khrykosho has an excellent
		
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			work, hasn't he, in in the Palestine conflict?
		
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			Mhmm. Omar Suleiman has an excellent work himself.
		
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			He's he's come on the next Friedman show.
		
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			He's he's he's always posting on on Twitter.
		
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			To be fair also Yasser Kadi has an
		
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			excellent work. I've seen him be very vocal
		
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			going to the campsites and stuff like that.
		
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			And these guys are in our own sphere.
		
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			We have people like Jake, Metaphysician.
		
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			He went on the he was one of
		
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			the best actually performances, but it was more
		
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			low radar.
		
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			And he went on and done really good
		
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			against this James
		
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			Whale
		
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			character.
		
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			Abdul Andalusi?
		
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			Yes. Now he is the backbone really
		
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			you know, of this conflict in terms of,
		
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			intellectual arguments in the Dao sphere. Yeah. I
		
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			would say so. I mean he he teaches
		
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			us a lot of the the the arguments
		
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			and stuff like Abdul Andalusi. He's seriously
		
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			he has encyclopedic knowledge on this. And he's
		
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			always on he's online and stuff like that.
		
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			So he's excellent.
		
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			I think what's important that a lot of
		
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			people don't realize is
		
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			social media is heavily skewed against pro Palestinian
		
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			activism.
		
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			And a lot of these brothers even with
		
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			big channels, medium channels, even small channels and
		
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			pages,
		
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			they have been shadow banned. Their content has
		
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			been restricted. Yeah that's right. And it's really
		
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			put them in, you know it's really got
		
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			them to reflect about you know what this
		
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			is you know for some people it's their
		
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			livelihood
		
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			and a lot of people have sacrificed a
		
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			lot. So even if you haven't made it
		
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			onto the list
		
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			you knew you know yourself
		
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			why you've done it and we're human beings
		
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			and we're very limited and we can there's
		
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			only so much that we've seen and that
		
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			we can kind of communicate Yeah. We're gonna
		
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			we're gonna get it wrong but it's just
		
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			it's it's subjective like, at the end of
		
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			the day. So there's lots of people in
		
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			the Dallas field. Musa Adnan, who was we
		
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			were working together on Critical Content News. I
		
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			was extremely proud of him. He went on
		
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			the James Whale show as well, done really
		
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			well.
		
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			Dili Hussein,
		
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			he done very well and he's continually doing
		
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			great work. But these are guys, once again,
		
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			we're not all in a circle. We don't
		
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			wanna But I I would that's it's very
		
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			interesting you mentioned that. Like, critical content news,
		
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			it's a very small,
		
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			puny
		
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			So, you know, it's like a blog page
		
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			or
		
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			page but
		
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			s 2j news. You know what I mean?
		
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			You know what? Now you've mentioned the chance.
		
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			S2J News. S2 Oh my God. But even
		
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			like S2J News, bro. Yeah. Like, Alhamdulillah.
		
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			We're dealing with volunteers. You're dealing volunteers as
		
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			well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're not dealing with
		
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			people I wanna give actually, I think it's
		
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			only right now that I I I I
		
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			mentioned some of the volunteers
		
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			people in my organization who's done really great
		
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			work. Like, Tarek. You know Tarek, Kurd. He's
		
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			absolutely excellent.
		
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			Shaker, he was doing a lot of the
		
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			research bro, behind the scenes and you know
		
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			him.
		
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			How intelligent and on the ball and sharp
		
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			he has been.
		
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			Fantastic. Shamir,
		
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			another newcomer. You've met him.
		
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			Really good work. Osman, you've met him and
		
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			he's he's done some things as well for
		
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			crew content
		
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			news. And a host of other people as
		
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			well. I'm sure. Crew content. I mentioned already
		
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			Moose Adnan.
		
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			Abu Bakr, the the camera and graphics guy
		
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			from our perspective, great work. Do you wanna
		
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			mention any of your guys? Yeah.
		
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			I think definitely Aisha has been very supportive.
		
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			She's pretty much kept the page going. Really?
		
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			Yeah, bro. Like, mashallah.
		
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			Really, really helpful since the beginning. Tanweer has
		
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			been good and
		
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			of course there's because there's volunteers people have
		
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			come and they've gone, but the contribution that
		
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			they've given even at the onset of the
		
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			conflict that's going on, it's not even a
		
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			conflict, a genocide, a massacre. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
		
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			So, yeah. Just alhamdulillah. No. It's good to
		
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			be mentioning this. Volunteered. That's right. Because I
		
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			don't think we give these people enough credit.
		
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			Another person I I should mention, and he's
		
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			a great mentor of mine, and really I
		
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			know this guy. He's one of the best
		
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			leaders, if not the best leader I've ever
		
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			seen. Big up Hamza. You know what I'm
		
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			gonna say. It's Hamza. I always say it
		
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			myself, Hamza's awesome. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Masha'Allah.
		
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			He's engaged on the ground.
		
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			He's actually Sapiens Institute, which we are working
		
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			with,
		
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			he's allowed some of the funds to be
		
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			used because he's in charge of all the
		
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			funds, he's the CEO of the organisation.
		
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			So he's allowed some of the funds, a
		
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			big chunk of it to be used in
		
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			creating books,
		
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			courses,
		
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			You guys released a book, innit? It was
		
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			free books. Three books. Three books, bro. And
		
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			it's free as well? It's free. My one's
		
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			called Double
		
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			Standards, who I coauthored with a guy called
		
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			Jodie McIntyre, who's actually running for election now.
		
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			Uh-huh.
		
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			Fantastic guy himself in his own right, and,
		
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			a brilliant, brilliant, kind hearted, warm hearted guy
		
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			who deserves his credit in his own right.
		
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			I'm gonna miss somebody out in this. You
		
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			know, we mentioned 5 pillars in all of
		
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			our organizations but before we mention outside, I
		
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			think it is right to at least give
		
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			all these people honorable
		
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			mentions. Ali Dawa,
		
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			you know, his channel has been used, and
		
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			your channel of course, have been used
		
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			vociferously in the course.
		
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			So much so that they are targeting them
		
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			and
		
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			so there's lots of people we can mention.
		
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			But let's get our list. Let's get the
		
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			lists. Let's do this. So I don't know,
		
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			should we start with number 5?
		
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			In no particular order. In no particular order.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay. Particular order. Yeah. Particular order I think
		
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			would be more interesting. Okay. Give me your
		
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			5. Give me your 5. Top 5. Alright.
		
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			So what number one for me in this
		
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			would be did you wanna start with Start
		
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			with 5. Okay. Start with 5. So
		
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			starting with 5, I'd probably say hamzat shimaev.
		
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			Really? Yeah. Because
		
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			everyone's
		
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			like there there are a lot of sports
		
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			stars that have stood up for Palestine
		
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			and said what they've said and it's all
		
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			been appreciated. But Khamzat Chimaev's
		
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			speech was very unique When he I think
		
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			he said it in Chechen.
		
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			And he he actually said what a lot
		
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			of people will feel. That's true. And he
		
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			said it with such zeal and he said
		
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			it on a stage that the guy has
		
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			the potential of losing it all. The guy
		
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			was like if you know it makes me
		
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			want to pick up arms and go and
		
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			join and help them. Yeah. Yeah. So it's
		
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			interesting to say for a man of his
		
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			position. And I'm paraphrasing but Yeah. Yeah. And
		
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			I heard he's already
		
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			received
		
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			some kind of backlash. Yeah. You can't get
		
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			to the United States. Maybe that's the reason
		
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			why. Maybe it's other reasons. But the the
		
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			the thing with, Hamzat
		
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			is Yeah. I think a lot of us
		
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			saw the vicious side of him, okay,
		
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			and the
		
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			crazy side of him, you know, in the
		
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			ring and in the press conferences and stuff
		
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			like that. But when we met him,
		
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			we saw the humble side of him. We
		
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			saw the human side of him. And I
		
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			think we all saw the human side of
		
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			him when he's there was one time he
		
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			was asked about the Palestine conflict and he
		
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			just said something like it hurts and he
		
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			was visibly emotional. And I think that made
		
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			him,
		
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			like,
		
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			more respected in the eyes of so many
		
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			people, Muslims and non Muslims alike. More so
		
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			than most of his fights. Because we saw
		
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			the compassionate side. There's there's something beautiful
		
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			and virtuous about a strong man with compassion.
		
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			You know? And there there is one thing
		
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			that you're just fighting opponents in a ring
		
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			Yeah. That you're just fighting for the sake
		
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			of fighting or fighting for fame and money,
		
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			but when you're fighting it's what made Muhammad
		
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			Ali,
		
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			you cross over that boundary and become one
		
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			of the greats. It was because of his
		
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			stance in Vietnam.
		
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			Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. Yes. Yes. And
		
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			that's what made him and Martin Luther King
		
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			said, you know, you may disagree with him
		
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			but you've gotta respect what he's standing for.
		
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			Absolutely right. And,
		
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			Hamzah Chimaev is is definitely kind of demonstrated
		
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			that and
		
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			we definitely saw it first hand as well.
		
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			Yeah. Because he he's gone further than other
		
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			other sports Muslim sports people in in like
		
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			what he wants to say.
		
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			I my number 5 is, low key.
		
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			He's not strictly speaking about the Dao sphere.
		
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			He's obviously very close to us. Hamza's close
		
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			to us. We both met him and done
		
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			interviews with him as well. But,
		
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			you know, low key, the reason why is
		
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			because number 1, his consistency.
		
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			He has a very consistent record. Number 2,
		
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			his arguments are really watertight.
		
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			He's one of the people that I actually
		
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			take knowledge from in this area. Like I
		
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			would sit down and take notes from him
		
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			or something like that. Yes. Number 3 is
		
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			because
		
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			of his, you know, continuous output.
		
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			His continuous output. And he puts himself in
		
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			positions
		
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			which
		
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			could get many people in trouble. But because
		
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			of these reasons, and he's done obviously a
		
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			really excellent interview on Piers Morgan,
		
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			we've had him here on this sofa. We've
		
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			we've done a podcast with him and he
		
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			was, you know, giving us all the information.
		
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			He really tracks down the funding and where
		
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			these people are getting their money from and
		
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			who's, you know, being funded by who and
		
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			Yeah. I'm I'm surprised that he memorizes all
		
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			of that stuff. Mhmm. It's almost do you
		
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			know like Muhadiths? Like, you know, the Hadith,
		
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			tradition Yeah. Where you got chain of narration.
		
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			He has a chain of narration,
		
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			a genesis of where everyone's getting their money,
		
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			what's the motivation. Because let's be honest, a
		
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			lot of people are motivated by money. This
		
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			is the reason why on the pro Israeli
		
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			side, people are
		
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			where they are positioned because they're being paid
		
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			by somebody. He he's he's actually lifted
		
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			the veil on that. Yeah. Who's who's your
		
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			number 4?
		
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			Number 4, I'd probably say Norman Finkelstein.
		
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			Now Norman Finkelstein,
		
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			he's, he's been old school in this. Yes.
		
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			He's been there since,
		
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			since I can remember Mhmm. And his books
		
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			are really thoroughly researched. He's a scholar
		
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			to the highest eminence
		
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			and he just hasn't been appreciated.
		
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			There was one clip the holocaust clip of
		
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			his that went viral. Crookedities. Yeah Crookedities.
		
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			There have been clips here and there but
		
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			that's been the but the guy has
		
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			so much to offer. Yes. And it's only
		
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			now that he's really kind of been appreciated.
		
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			Like in terms of academia Yeah, yeah, he's
		
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			always yeah. Mhmm. Definitely the guy would be
		
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			at the top but obviously we're talking about
		
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			influence in different realms and different aspects and
		
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			facets.
		
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			I was puzzled my number my number 4
		
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			Bassem Youssef.
		
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			Mhmm. Reason he's not strictly in that obviously
		
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			not in that sphere and we have different
		
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			opinions.
		
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			And people will be like, why are you
		
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			mentioning this person, that person, the other person?
		
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			We're not agreeing with all their stance. Yes.
		
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			Of course. Just to be I mean, we
		
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			have to mention this. But we have to
		
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			be mature about this. We're talking about those
		
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			who have who have had an impact. Yes.
		
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			And his his two interviews with,
		
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			with Piers Morgan were the most watched ones.
		
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			Yes. Okay. And they were not just only
		
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			watched by people in the English speaking sphere,
		
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			they were they were also very much watched
		
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			by people in the Arabic speaking sphere. People
		
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			must realize that his language, his first language
		
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			is Arabic.
		
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			Mhmm. And so for someone whose English is
		
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			a foreign language to them, that's actually extremely
		
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			impressive for them to be able to communicate
		
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			in that way in in the English language
		
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			which is not his first language.
		
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			And to then do it through the medium
		
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			of comedy. Comedy means that you have a
		
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			certain mastery of that language. Yeah. Yeah. Because
		
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			you can only be funny in a language.
		
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			Yeah. You cannot be comedic, you cannot be
		
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			rhetorical at the same time. Yes. So he's
		
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			So now
		
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			he used this kind of like, I would
		
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			say, sarcastic style to great effect the first
		
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			time with Piers. It was fantastic. And he
		
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			kept using that. And the thing is, what
		
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			made me put him in this list is
		
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			not just his 2 interviews with Piers Morgan
		
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			but also his subsequent interviews with so many
		
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			different hostile interviewers. Recently, he had one with
		
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			Trigonometry
		
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			who they who they told me to come
		
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			in, but I knew that they had an
		
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			issue Yeah. And stuff like that. So I
		
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			put some conditions. I said, let me film
		
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			it as well at the same time. And
		
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			they didn't respond to that because I didn't
		
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			want anything to be cut up or anything
		
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			like that. He went on that show Mhmm.
		
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			And,
		
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			what what he done there was fantastic. He
		
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			answered all their questions and he's been doing
		
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			that consistently. And for example, PBD, he went
		
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			on the PBD podcast Yeah. And done fantastically.
		
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			I was actually quite impressed with his argumentative
		
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			ability because he's a comedian.
		
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			A comedian doesn't necessarily have to have the
		
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			ability to construct arguments in a coherent coherent
		
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			and consistent fashion. Mhmm. He he seems to
		
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			have a really good grasp of some of
		
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			the historical aspects. He's now even delving into
		
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			I saw something recently with him in Mehdi
		
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			Hasan,
		
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			in some of the biblical aspects, the Red
		
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			Hefir and all that kind of stuff.
		
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			Yes, he's, you know, he's kind of spreading
		
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			his tentacles and
		
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			being consistent
		
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			in that. So I think that he deserves
		
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			to be on this list. He's definitely like,
		
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			I think he's my number 3. Okay. And
		
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			the reason being because
		
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			now when he came he completely
		
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			took
		
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			the the whole issue by surprise. Like people
		
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			didn't expect
		
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			somebody that's pro Palestinian
		
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			in a conversation in which it's only meant
		
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			to go one way. Do you condemn Hamas?
		
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			Do you acknowledge what happened on October 7th?
		
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			And this and that. The guy completely threw
		
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			a curveball. If you actually look at Piers
		
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			Morgan's body language
		
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			and like it's it was it
		
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			was something that even
		
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			I would say it broke the internet
		
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			because of the amount of acceptance it got,
		
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			because a lot of people when it comes
		
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			to Muslims or anything related to Muslims were
		
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			seen as angry, we're seen as you know
		
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			violent, aggressive
		
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			but this guy completely broke the stereotype. Some
		
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			people have even said that this guy has
		
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			been an integral and and important thorn in
		
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			the backside of Israel.
		
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			That's stopped them
		
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			from, you know, justifying and doing worse actions
		
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			that they have. Mhmm. No. I'm impressed. It
		
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			was it was definitely a cultural moment,
		
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			his interviews with Piers Morgan. They're a cultural
		
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			moment. And frankly, probably a historical one as
		
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			well, man, if we're being honest. If we
		
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			go for number 3, my number 3 is
		
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			probably Abby Martin.
		
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			Uh-huh.
		
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			She had a really good interview with Joe
		
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			Rogan, okay? So Joe Rogan is seen as
		
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			one of the top podcasts and the way
		
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			that she delivered,
		
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			the thing is as a woman, obviously, has
		
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			more of a compassionate, you know, kind of
		
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			approach to it. Yeah. And she's able to,
		
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			once again, relay information in a very
		
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			methodical but also coherent fashion. Mhmm. And her
		
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			recent discussion with Piers Morgan and the, the
		
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			son of the Hamas leader,
		
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			you know, that was brilliant as well that
		
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			she was able to finish him off in
		
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			a very classy way, and we've done a
		
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			reaction video to that. But it's also that
		
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			she has a track record of supporting the
		
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			cause. Yes. And that's always what's gonna be
		
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			the decider in these kinds of lists, for
		
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			you to be in the top five. She
		
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			has a track record of that. And so
		
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			with all that kind of thing, I put
		
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			her as number 3 actually. Mhmm. I'd probably
		
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			say alongside her or in the same breath
		
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			like Mehdi Hasan.
		
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			Yeah. Mehdi You know what? Honestly, I'm not
		
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			putting him in the top five here because
		
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			he's been a little bit more reserved this
		
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			time and Yeah. And look, Mehdi Hasan is
		
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			a in my in my estimation anyway, he's
		
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			probably one of the best public speakers in
		
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			the United Kingdom. He's a world class public
		
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			speaker. That's how I consider it. I consider
		
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			myself somewhat of a connoisseur for these things
		
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			as you know, like we talk about that.
		
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			He's his rhetorical style,
		
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			his ability to debate. He's actually he wrote
		
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			a book on debating. He did. How how
		
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			not to lose any argument or something like
		
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			that. I've read some of the chapters on
		
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			that book. Very interesting book,
		
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			not bad.
		
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			Mehdi Hasan, his his debate on the Islam
		
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			thing in
		
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			one was absolutely fantastic. He's No. No. He's
		
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			good. He he he is always gonna bring
		
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			forward world class performance. You could see, it
		
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			was like,
		
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			he he transcended
		
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			the interview format of Piers Morgan. He was
		
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			like, come on. But Piers Morgan was throwing
		
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			things that would throw,
		
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			any other person off but because Abi Martin,
		
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			Mehdi Hasan, they're seasoned
		
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			in this topic,
		
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			they were able to write names off like
		
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			it was nothing. Yeah. And they know what's
		
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			going on. They know exactly what game is
		
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			playing Yeah. Being played. I mean, remember Mehdi
		
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			Hasan is usually the one who asks the
		
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			question. He's usually the interrogator.
		
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			Yeah. That's usually the format that he likes
		
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			to debate in or discuss and that he's
		
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			most experienced in. Yes. And so to be
		
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			put on the back foot, it's good for
		
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			him because
		
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			for us to know who's an all rounded
		
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			public speaker, they need to be versatile. We
		
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			need to put we need to be we
		
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			need to see them as, as interrogated, but
		
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			also as the interrogator, but also the interrogated.
		
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			Mhmm. In the podium on the podium, on
		
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			the street, whatever. So the fact that was
		
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			able to perform very well in that format
		
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			showed that he was as good on the
		
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			back foot as he is on the front
		
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			foot. Yeah.
		
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			And so, yeah, Mehdi Hasan is always gonna
		
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			be like. We saw his debate within the
		
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			I think it was Oxford University Yeah. On
		
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			Islam.
		
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			After I saw that debate and many of
		
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			his other performances, I I knew this guy's
		
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			world class, actually. He's actually world class. The
		
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			reason why I didn't put him in my
		
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			top five is only because he seemed like,
		
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			I'm watching him some of his stuff on
		
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			Twitter now, and he seems a little bit
		
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			reluctant. And I don't know who is basically
		
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			trying to sorry to put this, but please.
		
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			Mhmm.
		
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			You know, this whole thing about overcompensating about
		
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			anti Semitism and this is this person's an
		
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			antisemite and stuff is it it detracts from
		
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			the force of what we're trying to accomplish.
		
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			So that's His liberal sensibilities have kind of
		
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			been the anchor that's been pulling him down
		
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			from bring from showing his true potential. Yeah.
		
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			Because if he lets those punches go.
		
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			I mean he will be he could easily
		
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			top the list. Mhmm. He a person with
		
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			his
		
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			charisma and capabilities can top the list. But
		
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			if if he tries to,
		
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			appease the liberal Credit where credit is due,
		
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			I think he did have a slot on,
		
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			I think it was on MSNBC
		
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			Yeah. Yeah. And he had an interview,
		
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			with one of the Israeli officials in which
		
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			I mean there were clips going around in
		
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			which he absolutely embarrassed the guy. No. No.
		
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			He does very well. And people were of
		
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			the opinion
		
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			that straight after that interview,
		
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			that that that's it. Like his his contract
		
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			was not renewed. Mhmm. It came to an
		
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			end and he's had to start
		
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			off his own media organization, Zateo.
		
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			Mhmm. So so, I mean, there is definitely
		
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			There is a bit. He's he's taking he's
		
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			taking punches as well for the course. Who's
		
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			number 2 for you? For for me, number
		
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			2,
		
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			it's it's difficult. It's it's a toss toss-up
		
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			between both of these.
		
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			I'd probably say it's it's very difficult. It
		
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			depends how you see it. Mhmm.
		
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			I would say
		
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			ICJ.
		
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			Okay. So you've got an organisation there. Yeah.
		
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			I'm pointing an organisation to ICJ.
		
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			Reason being because
		
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			ICJ slash South Africa have have taken it
		
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			to a legalistic,
		
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			Maidan Would you say would you say that
		
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			this is South South Africa's initiative then? Would
		
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			you South Africa? Oh, for sure. For sure.
		
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			Yeah. In particular the, the foreign minister of
		
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			South Africa. She's done really excellently. Yes. Yes.
		
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			So South Africa taking see Germany that have
		
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			witnessed again atrocities
		
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			other hand we see Germany that have witnessed
		
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			again atrocities but still being on the side
		
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			of the oppressor Yeah. And still not having
		
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			learnt their lesson.
		
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			There's a clear disparity between South Africa and
		
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			Germany and and the credit where credit is
		
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			due South Africa has definitely
		
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			empowered the people on pro Palestinian starts in
		
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			discussions and in debates
		
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			giving them the academic backing. I think Norman
		
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			Finkelstein was saying just reading their report that
		
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			they submitting that they submitted for people that
		
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			want to read about this issue that's a
		
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			really good starting point. It gives you that
		
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			strong academic
		
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			backing
		
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			to kind of get involved in this. So
		
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			they definitely have ticked that box for us.
		
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			Okay. Yeah. I mean I agree. I think
		
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			South Africa's
		
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			the foreign minister of South Africa, she's done
		
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			an excellent job, and she's done something that,
		
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			you know, Muslim leaders should have done, frankly.
		
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			Right? But who I'll put as number 2,
		
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			and this is gonna be controversial, what is
		
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			George Galloway.
		
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			And the reason why is because he has
		
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			a consistent track record
		
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			and he's very very strong on this course.
		
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			Now people will say, well, how can you
		
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			put him? And you know what he's saying
		
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			about well, he what he agrees, especially from
		
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			our our circles. We'll say, you know what
		
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			his views are on the Syrian thing and
		
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			and the Uighur issue? On these issues, we're
		
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			diametrically opposed to his views. Right? But then
		
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			again, if you look at the whole of
		
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			the list, there's people in there that we're
		
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			diametrically opposed to their views on other areas.
		
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			Religion,
		
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			society, like Mehdi Hasan and this person, that
		
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			person. We differ on the same issues. Liberalism
		
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			or this or that, LGBT.
		
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			I don't know what Abby Martin's
		
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			views on LGBT is. I mean Yeah. For
		
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			example, I'm I'm just saying if it's if
		
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			that's the thing, we're not gonna praise anyone
		
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			here. Yeah. We're talking specifically and strictly about
		
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			the Palestine conflict. Yes. And if we're doing
		
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			that, then George Galloway has to be put
		
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			there up there because,
		
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			he's been consistent
		
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			and his voice has been extremely strong.
		
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			And once again, in terms of his ability
		
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			to articulate an argument,
		
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			really there's only few people in the last
		
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			50 to a 100 years in the United
		
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			Kingdom
		
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			who can do it as good as George
		
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			Galloway, bro. Mhmm. And this is for anyone
		
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			who knows about public speaking will be able
		
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			to recognize that immediately.
		
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			Mhmm. He knows how to put people in
		
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			their place. He'd done it with the Iraq
		
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			war. He was the number one figure in
		
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			the Iraq war in the United Kingdom
		
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			and he's been so consistent with the Palestine
		
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			cause. We've seen what he's been posting on
		
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			Twitter. We've seen that he's, run elections and
		
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			done this and that and the other. So
		
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			frankly, he deserves credit. No doubt about it.
		
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			System such that he had to as you
		
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			think it was night time when Roshi Suna
		
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			came outside to kind of condemn his victory.
		
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			Oh,
		
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			exactly. So if if you're if you're if
		
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			you're getting the p PM, the prime minister
		
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			of a country to respond to you, that
		
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			shows that there's impact here, bro. So that's
		
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			one thing. And not just responding, doing emergency
		
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			response and this kind of thing So we
		
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			have to give credit where credit is due
		
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			He's been phenomenal in that regard
		
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			And if you look at his debating history,
		
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			bro, I mean people don't know this but
		
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			he's debated Christopher Hitchens who is considered to
		
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			be
		
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			one of the greatest orators for for these
		
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			guys, the atheists and the secularists and the
		
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			liberals and whatever, maybe of all time, for
		
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			them. And he destroyed him. Mhmm. And what
		
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			have you ever watched the debate with him
		
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			in Prison of Edges on Iraq war?
		
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			If you watch that debate, you'll see
		
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			it's one of the most interesting debates I've
		
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			ever watched. Oh. And he gave him the
		
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			decisive blow. And
		
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			even avid,
		
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			kind of fans
		
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			of Christopher Hitchens would say that he lost
		
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			that debate that day. Mhmm. So the guy
		
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			is a force. Even when he was, doing
		
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			the Brexit thing because he was on pro
		
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			Brexit, when Nigel Farage, who we refuted last
		
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			week,
		
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			was introducing him, he had to introduce him
		
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			as one of the greatest orators in Britain
		
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			or something like that. Really? Yeah. He's it's
		
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			well known.
		
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			If you just watch him in certain in
		
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			certain discussions, he'll throw Shakespeare
		
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			in the middle of the
		
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			all the
		
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			perfumes of Arabia wouldn't be able to do
		
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			pluck. You know, that's a Shakespearean quote. Wow.
		
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			So he's got the the rhetoric, he's got
		
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			rhetoric to a very high level. He's got
		
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			the argumentative,
		
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			power and he's got the political savviness.
		
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			Well, someone of his level has to be
		
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			put up there for me Mhmm. As numbers.
		
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			Who would you put as number 1 now?
		
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			Let's, As number 1, one, I think,
		
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			for me
		
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			it was a toss-up between,
		
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			these guys and the ICJ, but for me
		
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			I think definitely they have been the eyes
		
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			and ears
		
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			of the Ummah of the pro Palestinian cause
		
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			on the ground. Without these guys we would
		
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			not see what's going on. Indeed social media
		
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			does have you know and has played its
		
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			part wonderfully
		
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			and immaculately.
		
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			However, when it comes to authentic reporting where
		
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			it actually matters and you know doing it
		
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			within the system, it's been Al Jazeera.
		
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			And again like you said a lot can
		
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			be said about Al Jazeera
		
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			but the thing is they have definitely,
		
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			been the eyes and ears and not only
		
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			been the eyes and ears but they have
		
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			significantly
		
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			risked
		
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			their position on a worldwide stage and they
		
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			they have a lot of people to please
		
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			but
		
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			they're showing us what's going on, not compromising
		
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			that regard
		
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			and keeping their footing on an international level,
		
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			it's a very difficult balance and not everybody
		
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			can do it. And I think on top
		
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			of that,
		
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			they were even allowed in Israel as well.
		
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			Israel, they
		
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			they had this, you know, understanding with Israel
		
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			and speaking to an Israeli
		
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			Jewish lady at speakers' corner she was saying
		
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			that Al Jazeera
		
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			was our only source of seeing the Palestinian
		
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			side because the way they are presented what's
		
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			going on it's very one-sided,
		
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			it's very propagandized
		
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			so Al Jazeera was definitely something
		
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			unique, a light in a dark room but
		
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			now Al Jazeera has been retracted and
		
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			Al Jazeera is no longer running from there
		
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			and is being shown over there as well,
		
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			which is unsurprising.
		
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			But the role that they've played is absolutely
		
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			phenomenal. And in that, there's there's in the
		
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			Arabic Al Jazeera, Arabic Al Jazeera has been
		
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			much better than the English one, by the
		
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			way. I mean, if if you think the
		
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			English one is good, the Arabic one is,
		
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			like, double doubly as good. Right?
		
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			They had this one guy, he's his name
		
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			is Fais Lduaidi.
		
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			Now this guy
		
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			is phenomenal, bro. Yeah? Oh, he is like
		
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			in terms of knowing because he's a military
		
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			strategist. He comes from like
		
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			Jordanian background and stuff and he was a
		
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			military strategist. He went to different schools and
		
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			stuff like that.
		
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			So much so that, you know, on Hamas,
		
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			there's a clip, it went viral. Mhmm. Hamas
		
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			used a rocket launcher to destroy one of
		
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			the, you know, tanks or something like that.
		
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			And then after it blew up, he said
		
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			the guy said, Halley a Duwedi.
		
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			Analyze this Duwedi.
		
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			He said that? Yeah. He said that as
		
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			he was blowing up. And it went viral
		
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			in the in the Arab world. Wow.
		
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			This guy, he knows all the weapons.
		
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			And most of what he says strategically pans
		
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			out. Everyone is watching him. Oh, damn. It's
		
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			it's it's so it's like, do you know
		
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			when you watch match of the day life?
		
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			No.
		
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			Well, match of the day life is like
		
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			football and stuff, or you've watched a football
		
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			match or international football. Is that and then
		
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			afterwards, you have, like, Gary Lineker or something
		
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			that. Yeah. You got Gary Lineker. He's good
		
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			as well. Right? He's been fantastic as well.
		
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			Palestinian thing. Yeah. Yeah. So you have and
		
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			then he's telling you this is what happened.
		
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			This is like Faz Duarte when it comes
		
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			to him on the ground. He's been so
		
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			good,
		
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			bro. I used to be addicted to watching
		
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			his videos.
		
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			Every morning, I watched the video and watch
		
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			it again. That's so good, bro. You should
		
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			be addicted, bro. Like, Love up his videos.
		
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			He's excellent. I wouldn't put him as number
		
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			1 because we're talking mostly about the English
		
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			fear by the way. In the average say
		
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			he's number 1 no doubt. Really? Oh, there's
		
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			no question. In terms of like
		
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			for me, the one who's had impact and
		
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			everyone goes to and the,
		
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			you know,
		
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			is Duedi.
		
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			Mhmm. But in the English fair, I would
		
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			put Norman Finkelstein. As number 1. Really? Yeah.
		
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			Because the thing is, there's not many people
		
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			actually, there's no one
		
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			on in the world Yeah. Who has been
		
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			able to contribute to academia as he has.
		
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			He's the only one who's written a book
		
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			on Gaza. Mhmm. And and he's the only
		
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			I think there's no more voluminous output than
		
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			his. If you look at the bibliographies of
		
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			his book, it's clearly the most he's the
		
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			clearly
		
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			head and shoulders above every other human being
		
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			on the face of the planet, most researched
		
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			person
		
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			on this issue. Mhmm. You know?
		
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			There was a time, I don't know if
		
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			I told you this, like,
		
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			I've done
		
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			a master's degree in the beginning when I
		
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			finished. The first master's degree I ever done
		
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			was in history, right?
		
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			That was the first one I've done. And
		
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			then I actually skipped to a PhD.
		
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			Okay? At this time I was living a
		
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			rough life and didn't have that much money.
		
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			Yeah, you know my my story.
		
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			And I started a PhD.
		
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			And I started a PhD in one of
		
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			the universities
		
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			in in in London,
		
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			and, and it was on the Palestine conflict.
		
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			Really? Yeah. I started a PhD on the
		
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			Palestine conflict. And I even wrote,
		
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			you know,
		
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			thousands of of words and stuff.
		
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			Now, two things, at that time I didn't
		
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			have money to fund it. Mhmm. So, you
		
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			know, they wanted like a yearly thing, and
		
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			secondly I had to start working and stuff
		
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			to make money. So I actually just I
		
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			completely abandoned the PhD.
		
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			This was a long time ago. I started
		
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			doing other I think the steam came and
		
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			you helped do with it. No. The reason
		
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			why I mentioned this is I
		
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			now do my PhD now. I'm not doing
		
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			it in the Palestine conflict. I'm doing it
		
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			in a completely different field. Yeah. Philosophy of
		
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			religion, whatever.
		
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			Part of the reason which made me not
		
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			wanna continue doing a PhD Oh. Is when
		
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			I was doing the literature review
		
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			and I read his works, I thought, you
		
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			know,
		
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			there's a there's a phrase
		
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			in in Arabic, No.
		
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			Which there's no Hijrah after the Fatha. When
		
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			people said do another shah of Sahil Buhari
		
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			Yeah. After fatharberi, which is,
		
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			Im Hajar Askarai's one. Yeah. People say it
		
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			was no need that you got that one.
		
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			Honestly,
		
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			his works made me feel like
		
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			it's been done. Maybe 50%. You know, it's
		
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			like wherever I wanna contribute here, and I
		
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			had a particular thesis, a very specific
		
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			he's talked about it in a better way.
		
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			Salaam. As far as I'm gonna put my
		
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			my my my efforts elsewhere. But the point
		
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			is is that
		
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			I I've read all of his books. I'm
		
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			not sure all of them. Let's just say
		
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			for the most of them. Most of them.
		
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			Yes. Of course. I find it very difficult
		
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			to No. No. No. I've read it. I've
		
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			read them.
		
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			And
		
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			that, in addition to the fact that he's
		
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			now become a cultural icon and a representative
		
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			of this thing, we saw his recent debate
		
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			with Lex Frideman, against this this, guy, Destiny.
		
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			He completely humiliated him.
		
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			Thank you. Excellent. Okay. It was like watching,
		
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			like, a professional,
		
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			boxer
		
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			fight a a layman from the streets. Homeless
		
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			guy. Yeah.
		
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			Yeah. You know? It was so he he
		
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			he debates. He's debated.
		
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			Benny Morris, who is seen as probably the
		
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			best historian from the other side,
		
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			who by the way in his books
		
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			he refutes Benny Morris
		
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			He's debated,
		
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			he's written books. He's appeared on different shows.
		
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			He's done everything possible.
		
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			And so, because people get his their arguments
		
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			from him,
		
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			The influence must therefore be attributed to him
		
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			Yes That's why I put him as number
		
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			1 because of the consistency of the record,
		
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			he's been obsessed with this thing for 30
		
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			years. I think it would be, wrong not
		
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			to not to put him there, so I
		
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			put him as number 1.
		
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			And that's and that's our list, guys. Yeah.
		
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			I think we definitely got carried away with
		
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			that video. Well, I think it's only right,
		
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			don't you think, because we always refute people
		
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			and attack them. I think it's right sometimes
		
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			to praise them as well because, look, the
		
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			the now the conflict has reached a stage
		
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			where, let's be honest, people are getting tired
		
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			of it. And the protagonist of this conflict
		
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			from our side, from the cultural and, you
		
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			know, influential side
		
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			They are the ones who also need to
		
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			continue working. So I wanna give great thanks
		
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			to you guys We're all eternally grateful for
		
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			your contributions to the Palestine cause
		
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			And continue doing the great work because in
		
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			the future, Wallahi, in the future, 10 years,
		
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			20 years, 30 years from now, this will
		
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			be history
		
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			People will be writing about this in schools
		
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			People will be talking about this or reading
		
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			about this in historical books
		
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			So your work as the influencers, your work
		
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			as cultural contributors,
		
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			as knowledge producers, yes,
		
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			is essential.
		
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			Any last words, bro? Assalamualaikum.
		
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			Hey, you. Are you wasting your time on
		
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			social media again? Your brothers and sisters in
		
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			the slam net from Norway are establishing a
		
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			Masjid, a dawah center.
		
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			Establishing a Masjid to convey the message of
		
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			Islam is one of the best deeds a
		
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			Muslim can do. There's a huge need for
		
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			it in Norway. You know this and I
		
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			know this. So that makes the reward even
		
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			greater.
		
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			So give generously and Allah Azzawajal
		
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			give you even more.