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Salam aleikum. Welcome to this live stream. We haven't been live for a very long time. This is a surprise man look was 11 o'clock on a Monday and UK time. So people are going to be surprised to see the Champ and The Champ here.

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So what's going on? You just came back from Holland, Holland, and it's rather Linds Holland. And I was I saw this picture is just huge. It's like a conference or something, right? Something like that, man. It was good. The Dutch people were very courteous, very kind, you know? Okay, it was good, man. You know what I mean? Okay, next next mammography next month now, like, in two weeks or something? I'm going to Nigeria. Oh, nice. Hey, Nigeria. How you doing? I guess? I think so. Yeah, Lagos. Yeah. Okay, we actually even avora Yeah, yeah. We have. We have some brothers down there. Abuja Lagos local employment housing. He's from Lagos. He's one who took us down. You're going to

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love it that you're gonna love you're gonna fit in. You're gonna be like, this is where I belong. I'm not going back to London. I belong here. Jello fries. The people that energetic, very friendly Nigerians are so friendly. That's right.

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Go and find out how you're going to be eating much pizza you're going Abuja now I'm going to Lagos Lagos nice. We need to go who doesn't need to go. So Lagos you have you been there? Right? Yeah, you have Euro Europa people. You have others as well, but in the north, that's where the Muslims are quite strong in their numbers and stuff. That's the circuitry empire. You have the house of people and you also have some I believe Fulani as well. And they're very friendly. Very very, very friendly. You could get into a conversation anyone really? And Lagos is like London on steroids is huge and busy and bustling and traffic and energetic people and it's a very lively place you're

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going to love it fantastic what's happening with you man obviously more

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usual surviving surviving surviving survivor the fittest Okay, so mashallah we so brothers? Where are you actually commenting from let's let's get the thing warmed up. You know, I think our audience forgot what it's like to be on a live usually we're a new channel people know about this, we should plug your channel my Saturday live night. So you try and change up to try and capture the

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marketing strategy.

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And okay, so Egypt, someone's Egypt, Michigan, Singapore.

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Montenegro, Sheffield, USA. Anyone from Nigeria? Anyone going to receive Mr. Hijab in Lagos? gonna love it there hopefully they'll know by mail

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you know, I mean, this guy from Texas, you're finished.

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Right? But you know what?

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It's the sort of place where you're not like you get differently 100 I've been to many parts of Africa, Ethiopia Malawi, you know, whatever right all these different places. However, what's very clear is Nigeria is like the Egypt of Africa like Egypt is the place that in Egypt of Africa bro no

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no, no.

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Egypt is the heart of the Arab world. Most Arabs watch is it from dramas most Arabs speak Egyptian they are the understanding. So it's the cultural hub and it's the biggest Arab country of like 90 million so in Nigeria is like that for the Afra for Sub Saharan Africa Sub Saharan Africa okay. Right West Africa you've rescued yourself from the clothes of humiliation

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Okay, mashallah we have okay to get some people in the studio let's get let's get people on the studio people are gonna go wild after getting a phone call. Oh, he's going on. That's the other champ

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oh my god should we get him to join

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us asked to join alright brothers and sisters we are going to be sending you the link if you so we're of doing this for so after so long

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you want the

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water water

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really hot today for some reason.

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Okay, brothers and sisters. I have put the link in.

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So yeah, you know how to do this. So brothers, please, if you brothers brothers and sisters, if you join in the back end, switch your camera on and off, just so that we know that you're a real person because we've had some trolls and

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think some people are commenting they're just not seeing the link. Okay, we got big thing who's joined us? That's one big thing is Big Think big.

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Okay, can you switch up? Can you switch your camera on and off? Please

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see this little man that he has none to

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be nice. Okay, there's our brother. Okay, handsome brother.

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Keep your camera on bro. Just beside him. Let's hold him. He looks like a jolly character areas. Salam aleikum. Big thing right there, man.

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We can't hear you. Okay.

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Can't hear you.

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Okay, salaam alaikum. Can you hear me now? Yes. How you doing brother?

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We happy? Yeah. Are you guys come to love? Where you calling from? I'm calling from UK a Manchester. Manchester nice. I was there just a few weeks.

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So it's okay, if I ask you a question now. Yeah.

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Okay, so I just have a kind of, I don't know if it's a misconception or something. But I'm

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obviously in our religion.

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We consider religion to be perfect. Right? Absolutely. Okay, so my question is about

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whether Islam is contingent on

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the Sahaba has or the prophets experiences. So for example,

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in the Quran, we have like, verses that were sent down for specific situations, right?

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Yeah. So if those situations didn't

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you know, exist? Would Islam no longer be perfect? If that makes sense?

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I think I understand your question because because I was trying to like rationalize this type of thing. And I ran into

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me, let me see if I can reiterate the statement in some way if I've got a broken

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so basically, your your question is that look, a lot of the Quranic discourse of Iran, when when it makes statements and stuff is doing so in response to a particular situation, unless the context of the Quran your question has had that situation not existed, that would the Quran, then it would follow that the Quran I wouldn't be the same, it wouldn't be the same content and therefore, its perfection would be limited. Because if perfection was only meant for one in one way, then

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Is that how it was our understanding? Yeah, exactly. Because then you run into like the problem of like, okay, if that didn't,

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you know, if, if that experience wasn't there, would Allah put another experience there to bring around the same message, which means, that means all there always has to be a type of experience just from another human being. So, like, the question of like, freewill comes into like my mind, with this question, the one of the assumptions of it which may not be substantiated, is the fact that loss of Hannah with Allah's Will

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in any way compromised by the actions or by actions of human beings, okay, way that such actions of human beings can operate in independently from his world. Right? You want it? So Allah subhanaw taala when he when when you reveal the Quran,

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the Quran, knowing full well the set of circumstances that will emerge in that time in that place where the plan will be revealed,

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and will matter Chateau la Shala as for answers that you will not will except for if Allah wills was back, obviously, we can talk about freewill determinism. I've got a thing written in Sapiens Institute about it. But the point is, is that it was made so that certain events happen at the same time, as the Quranic discourse was revealing certain commandments was made so that, you know, the devil decided to to tempt Adam alayhis, Salam to the tree. But have that not had that not happened? The question is have that not happened? Had that not happened? is not a valid question, considering the atomic compatibility understanding of freewill. However, just for the sake of argument, I'll say

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let's, let's make the argument that there could have been there could have been a set of other events could have, could have Allah

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sent down a divine speech different from that which the Quran has the wording of the Quran, which would have also been perfect in its own right. And yes, yes, actually, that was yes. And the evidence of that is that he sent down things before which were in their own right perfect. Like, could we say that the Torah in this original perfect form?

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was not perfect. Yeah of course. A statement of disbelief Yeah, so what Allah can reveal something which is not perfect. So other words the Quran does not depend on the circumstances or whatever but Allah made it so that the circumstances were in some symbiotic compatibility with the message. Right? So So when when we say that our religion is perfect, and the Quranic message is perfect, are we saying it's perfect because entirely of the content or because the creator is the one who like

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that, Allah subhanho wa Taala put it this way. Last panel Tyler could have created could have created a set of events. Okay. It could have created a set of events, which were completely dissimilar from that which has happened with the Prophet MSRB and yet still revealed a perfect speech which had different content from that other brand. Okay.

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Is that before the Quran was revealed? There were other perfect books that were revealed, which was then tainted and corrupted. Whereas the events were different.

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True, yeah. Okay. And actually didn't think about the past scriptures. Okay, that answers the confusion in my jacala.

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Thank you, somebody come while

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we continue, I should I think mentioned as well the fact that tomorrow will be the day we were talking about that. Yeah. Tomorrow Tomorrow will be the day where the iron Hirsi Her real name is maganda iron McGann interview is going to be posted. Tomorrow is the day the first of March is going to be on Makayla Peterson's

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channel. Yeah. And you seen? Yeah, most all of it. Right? Well, it's gonna be people gonna be in for a big surprise. Okay. I think this is the first time in a very long time that certain things are going to be have been said. Yeah. And certain arguments are going to have been made in the way that they'll be made. Well, firstly, let's start with the basics. The foundations here. So are we dealing with who are we dealing with as a person because we want to get the ecosystem? Brothers and sisters we have 400 Something people watching? Yeah, I want everybody to remember something. We want you on Twitter tomorrow. We want you to post right not just that we want you to go to Makayla Peterson's

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channel itself. Yeah. And be part because last time gentlemen says Let me tell you a fun factor. Yeah. And this might have changed. I don't know. One bro have actually told me this. I'm not sure if it's to accent is true. But when I when I did the Jordan Peterson discussion that went on his channel. It was one of the most viewed things on his channel, like maybe top 10 or 20 comments, were very comments, I think were the highest. Yeah. 30 something. So in terms of the engagement of the Muslim community, it was like some mad number. And it was all very, very positive is everyone, everyone? And to be honest, that is what made it what it was. So I can only do so much.

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The brothers and sisters are part of the ecosystem that the comrades you know, it's why is their efforts that propelled the societal narrative. And it's the community discourse to a different level. So I feel like you know, we need to do the same thing. So everyone on this channel, you have to make sure that everyone watching now, you must make sure that you're on Makayla Peterson's thing tomorrow. And commenting, doing as much as you can to spread the message. And to make the case because someone like iron, McGann, tell us about iron McGann

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this person who is like, the most notorious, so called apostate from Islam, that's been attacking Muslims and not been resisted for a very, very long time. Well, supposedly, she was supposed to be the fifth horsewoman, right? Of the of the Four Horsemen. So you had Hitchens who passed away, then Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris, and she was supposed to be the fifth one. You can even see online where people like Christopher Hitchens, is in the audience asking her questions, because they're trying to promote her, as you know, this ideal woman for the world. And what we do know is that she has a very shady history. And it's important to understand who is this particular person, and why

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they went from having no

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academic credentials, having no justifiable reason to be in the public domain to stardom, and how did this happen? And what's the actual mechanisms behind this? What is her real name? What did she actually do in her home nation that she is shunned by even the people who are supposed to be demographically on her side? What did she do in the as a feminist which goes against the very principles of feminism, breaking up house, a household and causing all sorts of wreckage? And then we get into the barrage of lies that she actually has been churning out for many, many

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yours, including some very questionable and dubious ways of statistically trying to show that there are correlations between Muslim immigration and sexual violence against the non Muslim population is absolutely absurd stuff. And I think overall, we can actually see her as one of the main instigators for right wing hatred towards Muslims and even right wing attacks, especially one which I think you referred to in your discussion with her. Absolutely, absolutely. And for more information, obviously, you're gonna have to watch that discussion tomorrow, or that thing, that episode that we record, it is imperative that everyone on this channel does so Yeah, but what I will say is that,

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you know,

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to be honest, once again, this is, I think, a critical time for the Muslim community. Yeah. I really do think so. I really do think so. Because when you see, like, for example, the Jordan Peterson podcast, this is one that was the first time a traditionalist could speak to somebody like Jordan Peterson can get his point across can get into clarify at certain statements. He said that, you know, what he said about the Prophet was in judicious, which means bad judgment. He was, he was, he was mistaken to say what he said that according to a warlord, which was a fantastic display of humility. So if getting him to clarify his statement was one of the objectives and no one can say

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cannot say it was not met. In addition to the fact that he heard something about the Sierra, I think he started to understand the religion a little bit more about we've built, he showed he wanted to engage the message of Islam, the message of Tawheed was there. In fact, the direct recitation of the Quran was there, if you like the the main tenants of Islam, the belief in God in His messengers, in his oneness in his revelation, as proffered all of these things, were there. So all of those people got that message. But wouldn't you say that we're dealing with a different kettle of fish or now of this person? Yeah. Like, what we're saying is, all of these misconceptions are being fed to a large

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portion of the Western community, not just in America, but in Holland, in all of these different places, where she was she's moving about now is finding the chance to crush it. And I personally believe broke because I did read her books. I read her books, I prepared for her very well. You know, whenever I go against somebody, I prepare for them, and whoever they may be, I prepare for them properly. I read their books, I memorize their most salient blunders. And that was put out there wasn't just a matter of I'm going to go and humiliate her. This was a matter of I'm going to academically tear apart. Plus, I'm going to humiliate her personally as well. So both aspects are

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there. And when people watch it, you know, I don't think there's I mean, lots of people have already watched it from our side. And hamdulillah is from from our quality control perspective, like, is seen as a good thing. One might for my understanding is all Mikayla because I wasn't, I was in contact with a team, they're going to put the entire segment of what I said, they're not going to kind of thing out, although some of what I said, as you know, is very inflammatory. But I want it to go well actually, the way I would describe it is if you're dealing with someone like Peterson, then you would deal with him in the way that he's dealing with you deal with respect your academic rigor,

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you'd actually have a common dialogue on issues which pertain to both communities. However, here we're dealing with a person who's inspiring right wing terror. Okay, let's just get that right. Somebody who's inspiring right? Terror, somebody who actually is glorifying and has a nostalgia for colonization, somebody who is the ideal apostate from the African identity Summit. I mean, honestly, I mean, if you take her stuff, and you go show in Africa, what will they say? Will people say this is a representative? This is this is one thing I've when I go to like, because I'm always I've been around Somalis for a very long time, as you know. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've taught in Somali

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communities for many years, like the Somali students and kids and stuff like young people.

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And this is the first time I've seen so many Somalis like they are, they are the most excited to see the map individual, because they are the most angry with this individual. They see her as they see her as the apostate from Somali identity, not just an apostate not only that, she makes a strawman of it. Guess I mean, she doesn't mention the good stuff. And in many, many ways, she has an inferiority complex, which she wants to say. So this one is for the Somalis, not just for the Muslim community versus the Somali community in particular, ma'am, because I really I feel like the anger the hill that the Somalis have because of the love they have with the Somali community, by the way,

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statistically, and from anecdotal experience, I think you would agree as well as some of the most religious people on the face of Absolutely. Absolutely. You have the dachsies bro like go to a Somali community you have to look sees where they're like they read in the Quran and stuff like that, you know, I'm saying that memorize and do the physics

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to actually work and doxies as teach people like, on wherever. And so the Somali community have that look says you'll find that like, the average 1213 year old has memorized at least, you know, five, six years of the Quran at least. And you know, and the children okito They know, Fick, they know the Sierra they know, I used to I actually used to teach a

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some Somali children here in housing after I finished from university as the recession and stuff I had to do that and I saw you know, I saw this I saw this in the community and in the beautiful thing is, wherever they go, right, they have their identity. You find the men in the clothes in the woman in their clothes, you have this very strong identity very, they build massage, they do all these types of things. And it's really you know, the way I saw it is she disrespected the community this respective smile can be brought like the Somali community as I said before, there are some of you be surprised people that don't know the Somali community when they get to know them they're so shocked

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because they from everything from the attitude of the people, the religious of the community, yeah, to that even the cuisine or like they've got this Hellbenders you know, the you know the duration or they go the breeze was a holiday got good food when when that green you know, that green source? They got everything going for them that I don't eat with the banana

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try it try

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you know me for that. But just just a halibut so for who is what it is. So now this one's gonna be for the Somali community. And I'm trying to say this one this is gonna be Somalis are the only Somali brothers and sisters Yeah. Because they have a double obligation we should we should we should have up there Monty join. Yeah, be nice. They have a double obligation, bro. Yeah, you know any Somali he's speaking me. Yeah. Would you call it if you want to hey, you know, I've no Somali boy cuz if someone comes to my they'll speak right.

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Let's see if that consultant were wanting to love us enough. Yeah, we are lucky enough to have you have your good. I'm saying no, my Somali language brother. Worry about that. Don't worry about that. I can speak that. But yeah, this one's gonna be for you. You have a double obligation but you know, the Somalia you know you have a double obligation to come tomorrow for this iron McGann this fakes that is fraud. We need to make sure that we're on Makayla Peterson's channel. Okay, so, the, the person Auntie Vita, can you please switch on your camera on and off? Because you don't know show your face? Just so that we know you're a real person before we know that that's gone orange when you

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can you go back to it? Because we don't want to, you know, no, but you need to switch your camera on. Then we can see your face or see that you're a real person. And we can add you

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Okay, put someone else or him. The thing is

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we we've had basically a few issues. Well, I don't know why the person is not doing this person's Smiley. That's why. Okay, he's not doing said so. Okay, there you go. There you go.

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as I said, I said maybe I said, uh, maybe I'm

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Molly. I said, I am Somali. Maybe you need to read the fine print.

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And by the way, I'm I'm a big fan of privilege to be in your, your presence.

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How are you doing? Okay, where are you from? Originally? I'm from Pakistan. Originally I was born

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he said maybe so I don't know. It depends. I could find Somali. And yeah, I mean, it is. Definitions are social constructs, you know, like, Somalia, Pakistan, same place.

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Just completely different place. But the Somalis have seen them in Pakistan, some of them. Some Somalis in this building, let's just be cordial. And just building. Some of them lived. They lived in their eyes, you know, like, worrying

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about this. There's actually a place in Islamabad, I forget which place but there's actually quite a big smiley community there. Were in Islamabad the capital, was it? Yeah, they're still there. Even Egypt is apparent in Cairo desert, there's a place to come and it was covered by them as a place there's so Brother, what's your question? Yeah. So my question is,

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firstly, are you looking forward to this tomorrow? Yes. Aging. Destruction of this right wing terrorist inspires she's She inspires was Anders Breivik. Right. But what is what did he say about her role? The guy is actually got a whole chapter dedicated in his

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manifesto. All right. Well, he said that mean half sit back. I'm paraphrasing, but some of you he said that she should win the Nobel Peace Prize. The guys praise praising the guy, the guy.

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People 70s Oh my god, oh my god.

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The guy who kills 77 Innocent people butcher them? Yes, this terrorist is talking about her winning the Nobel Peace Prize. He said that she should be she should win the she should win the Nobel Peace Prize. That's crazy. Because he's she sees his views as he sees his views quite commensurate with us. But he has a whole chapter on her on the communists. This is one of the worst terrorist attacks in Europe. I think in the last 100 years, definitely, yeah. Yeah. Or it's not it's, it's crazy. Yeah. Imagine imagine that like, and this person is still being cooled to like have intellectual discussions on podcast Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, this place in that place as if she's some kind of

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an intellect. There is a consistent, consistent pieces of evidence which show she has lied for many, many years. Again, and again and again. Well, that's why this is this is our chance, man, this is like these, we don't get these chances as a community all the time. Yeah. Insha Allah, may Allah give you, you know, victory. Go ahead, brother. Yes, you beta. So what are you sigma? Are you Yes. My question is, uh,

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so, um, I wanted to ask you, what is your opinion on the doctrine of non duality? Like, especially in you know,

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MMA, mild, if I don't know, like, what miss the Arabic word for mysticism is? And how, like the, you know, how it like ties into absolute divine simplicity. And you know, how, what is your refutation for something like, absolute divine simplicity?

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Well, absolute divine simplicity understood as nephew's defects, or like, what the martyrs is believed in the Japanese believe that whatever the so called Japanese, the I mean, that, I mean, whoever they are,

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because they're not like, we don't have books of Japanese. I mean, we've only got, we only know them through the people that they attack, or that people are the people that attack them. Okay, but obviously, about getting the soft one. But all the followers of Germany,

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but that kind of thing. A lot of it is problematic how they argue it, like they argue on on different grounds.

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One of the grounds actually is this is the argument from composition, which we make, we make this argument from composition, the argument from composition, for God's existence as part of the contingency argument, but they make in a completely different way to the way we make it. And all sorts of how they define apart. So they, they differ, because Miria, logically, you can define a part in many different ways. One of the ways that you can define a pot is if you say, for example, a part of his personality, yeah.

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So it's not necessarily a physical or a subtractive, or addable part of, you know, entity that can be added or subtracted from something, we and we say that, for example, that everything that is made up the argument I make everything that has made our pieces dependent, that the universe is made out of pieces, therefore, the universe is dependent. The pieces that we're defining is the same as what had been tamed me, I said, is okay, which is that, for example, a plank of a ship, such that you can put on and take it off, or he said, ingredients or food, you mentioned this in Shanghai, isn't this funny? So the idea is really, it all starts with how they define the parts. Yeah, so if they make an

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argument from composition, and they're saying that, or everything that is made, I plus A contingent that the universe metal parts, therefore the universe is contingent, and then they say, if you apply the same logic to God, then you'd have a contingent upon therefore, we, you know, they therefore ergo, like, you know, divine simplicity, which is that God doesn't have anything, you know, any attributes, except for Divine oneness and simplicity, etc. We say that that's a false way of argument, because the way you've defined the part in the first place is false. The second thing we'll say is that actually those includes the activities because they've got the most development of

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madhhab, if you like, or manage, or whatever you can go back to, that did make the argument from Divine simplicity, and even hasnt, to a lesser extent, you can argue as well. They're not consistent with what they believe in because if they say that oneness, but they have to affirm the truth of Allah, or the existence of God. So you go from the existence of God, and then you have to suffer to Serbia be the phnrc of God, the postmitotic God, salvia because it means negate negating attributes of God. You're saying what God does not have, God does not have a beginning that was pre attentive, God doesn't have an end, therefore, his poster tunnel. So these are the Sci Fi to Serbia, which if

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they're referred to as the fact in any regard, they would add to the fact that God has one. So you're referring to God in two different ways. Now, he doesn't have the beginning. Be they doesn't have an end. See, that is one

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and then and then you've got Quadra because you really what would differentiate you know the universe itself from from God or whatever? Or something else? Is Yeah, the pieces element or the

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composition limit, but also the fact that God has ability. So. So if you're if you're a farmer Quadra or ability to God, in addition to his food, in addition to his oneness, now you don't have divine sufficient anymore in the way that they would love for us to believe that there is divine simplicity, because now you will be finding God in May, for general dimensions is actually the ASHA, right? He mentioned this, and from what I remember, in the Hey, it's a whole thing I believe. So it's a book a long book.

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But basically, he mentions like, that you can reach a rationalization of what God is, and he mentioned, what he believes, are the main attributes of God that can be reached to logically and he mentioned them as four, which is quadra irata. And then this is, you know, would you think is one of them as well and higher or the fourth with the life of God. So, the idea of divine simplicity is negated by many, if you like dialectical or systematic theologians, and all Kalam, Mater Kalamoon people who you actually affirm more than one or two attributes of God that divine simplicity advocates would want us to believe in. So I would say that in a nutshell, therefore, two things can

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be said about those who advocate divine simplicity, which can easily be refuted off the bat. Number one is that the way that they define a part Miria logically is something which is inconsistent with how we define it, etc. Number two is that they're not consistent with the way they explain divine simplicity. It's not in a classical theism sense, or deism

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because they actually, they actually, they actually mentioned more than once, if at all, actually. So due to the definition of part, do you believe that it has to be detachable in order to be defined as a part?

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That's the way we made the argument, because I'd like to, sort of the way I made the argument is when we say a pot, because we need to be very clear.

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We mean, when we say a pot like this, this thing is, this cap of the thing is a part of this world, right? I can put it on, I can take off and I can put it on, there's no such stuff of Allah, there's no such attribute of Allah, that fulfills that kind of requirement. According to all the credo schools. So that's how we're defining apart with that's the only way we need to define apart we don't need to go further than that. And the lesser, the more specific, the definition of something.

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The the clearer, the person, the interlocutor knows what we're talking about, there are like nine definitions of pot according to methodological studies, why do we need to? Why do we need to encompass all of them? Are we one of them? And that's exactly exactly what even Taymiyah and others have actually said as well. So that's to say by, from my understanding, isn't one for example how the you know, the divine simplest just how they interpret it is that all the Sci Fi the syllabi, for example, are just a description of one would you? Whereas, let's say not classic, Teddy. Aptly that you have

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descriptions that multiple would be a thing is just one aspect, okay? Even if you go without, we say for the sake of argument,

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because it all down higher and not so it's fatphobia or other higher.

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If you like, you can call the man away, or put a man away, but there's certainly not a Fed Serbia so they're not negated attributes, the attributes of description of positive description. So once, even if, even if we, for the sake of argument agree on that, it is not it's not a thing really fast. But you agree that for example, within Allah, like not, let's say not within, because that has like specific connotations, but Allah has multiple distinct would you would?

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You gotta be careful with that kind of thing. Where, like, I mean, how exactly are you? Are you saying that? I mean, this, I would rather not actually speak about this, because I'll tell you why. Because this is a masala that I need to read more into myself. Of course. Yeah. Because I'd rather not actually get into to the

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thing. That's good. I'd rather not because that question that you just said here. I need to I need I've been looking into it deeply myself and I need to I need to get this right before I speak about it. Alright. That's all right. Just that alone. Time.

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Why was Sam.

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Okay, so brothers, please post your questions in the chat. Some of the questions are just totally not relevant to the live stream and we've had this in the past as well. So let me just check, I believe.

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Just before that, just before we get into brothers, please repost your questions. I think what's important is we now have more people joining us than before.

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What we mentioned earlier is that this charlatan iron McGann, not even iron Ali Hirsi who's been prancing around the world. You know, talking about how Muslims are evil Muslims are basically uncivilized.

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And Muslims.

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So there's a quote that she said that it's not, it's not the win. I'm not saying that the apple is what I'm saying that the entire baskets. And she said what Muslim people? Yeah, well, this person is on a different level, like it's a different level of Islam, would you say she's a self hating black person like she hates, like, it sounds like inferiority complex, which is, which is far worse than what you'd normally get. There is a there is a quote, which I did mention in the discussion tomorrow, which is a very pertinent quote to this effect, which where she says something to the effect of she was having a conversation in one of our books, infidel or something like that, right.

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One of the books that she wrote, and she was like, having a conversation with the priest. Yeah. And she was like, Yeah, I was telling the priests to go and do missionary activities like Muslims do Dawa. Yeah. And then she, she's an atheist, she's an atheist. How does that make it? Do what they're doing? Yeah. And then, you know, one point in which you said, I'm paraphrasing once again, but she's saying to restore, like, the way that they civilized it was a civilizing force. The missionaries were civilizing force, in the days of colonialism. Oh, my. So she was actually like, when you say that she was actually promulgating a colonial outlook. This is no underestimation, she was actually

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talking about colonialism, in nostalgic sense, but very explicitly mentioned. Even people like Desmond Tutu passed away not too long ago, even someone who is open Christian is somebody who says, you know, when the missionaries came, we had, you know, the land, and they had the Bibles. And then they had the land, and they have the Bibles in our hand, like even someone who's a Christian, who has been Christianized, through, you know, essentially, colonial efforts over a period of time, they would point out at the horrific ways in which colonization destroyed, sorry, colonization coupled with great Christian missionary efforts. We're not saying obviously all Christians, but these

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missionary efforts, it attack African, even culture. So for example, African culture is polygamous. There is vast amount of polygamy wherever you go. And then you have these missionaries coming and saying, This is This is really bad behavior, and you need to have a single wife and so on and so forth. So many and when Islam comes into these cultures, and like it did, we didn't come in and uproot those deep foundations. That's not what we actually find we find that Islam is a harmony, a harmonizing force in which the good parts of the culture are kept and these these types of things so with her, no African worth their salt would say something to that effect. Can you imagine? Can you

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imagine the reaction of Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali or, or any of these, you know, these these black civil rights activist when they hear when they hear and you know, what I find interesting about her she is a classic I think you referred to as an apple polish. She's, she's somebody who is there to give the right wing the narrative that they need. Now, if there is an if there's a right wing guy, his job, right, and the right wing guy is like, you know, black people are like this, and Asian people are like this, and Muslims are like this, and Jews are like this, and the right wing guys kicking off and doing all of this stuff, is it's preaching to the choir, he's only going to be able

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to talk to his own right wing people, right? But with her because she's African, she's using that as leverage to give her arguments credibility because beyond that, if she was this if she was from the cut from the same cloth as she was a your European person was saying the same things should be no different to the 1000s and 1000s of 1000s of races which are out there. The only thing that made her stand out is that oh, it's an African thing. So it's a classic apple polish and I think you need to elaborate on this point because well I mean they won't give too much away obviously they're gonna see it tomorrow yeah, on Makayla Peterson's channel and that's something that you guys can do. Well,

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let's go to the next person who's got a question here today.

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This goes in you're good at doing this

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let's get the next question.

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so let's go to someone else we've already got this thing yeah somebody but I need to look at so this brother we will go

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because I'm

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highly concerned right

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off the camera as soon as we Yeah, man is going on this I can turn it on.

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But I was just gonna ask you a question from where you calling from. I live in Canada but returning from Libya, Libya, masha Allah I used to have some living neighbors. You guys meet you guys are very generous as a people give

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Libyans Libyans, amazingly

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My question is just relating to atheism, agnosticism, I was given a friend the argument about waking up in a train and asking where am I going? What am I doing here and so on. Right? And given the argument from the Quran relax widget. He says, Well, Maha Lochness. Ma, you will have all my being aborted and Delica vinylidene occur for way too late in a couple of minutes. Not unnaturally letting me know. I'm sorry. Hattie can go sit in a lot of unnecessary clinical Fuji. Alright. So I was given this argument about how Allah right, he's telling us, we're gonna make evil people that good people and so on. And he told me, okay, fair, if we have a point to this life, I'll agree with you. He's

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saying you're just moving the goalposts back one step, because in heaven, what's the point in heaven, right? He's saying, if you're in heaven, you're gonna be there eternally. Do you have a point there? What are you supposed to do?

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The end goal together? I mean, yeah. So this is basically him missing the point of the original argument. Okay? The original argument is not that you're on a plane, and you have, you know, luxurious food, you look out the window, you see the clouds, you got, you know, good companion next to you. And what's the point of all of this, that's not the argument, that's a complete straw man, the argument is, you are on a plane, that's going to end the journey is going to end the train is going to stop, all of these things are going to go away. And we find this in the Quran again, and again, the this argument is put in the form of that, you know, I'm paraphrasing here, but you know,

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Allah has beautified what's upon Earth, and then it will turn to dust. Right? So, you know, we find many, many verses in the Quran where it talks about this fleeting life and, and the temporal nature of this life. So the whole point of the argument is to say that whatever pleasure you're going through, is not that the pleasure is something bad, or superflous, it is actually that the pleasure is going to come to an end. That's actually why, for example, we can consider that when the processor limb spoke about death being something which kills desire. So what's the wording here that a death being something which essentially cattails desire, right? Maybe you can remember the actual

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wording of the narration, as remembering death often stops those things. Why? Because it whatever pleasure you're going through, it could be you having the most amazing food, you being on holiday, it could be something haram, that once you know, okay, you know, so we're going to come to an end, that's when the pleasure stops are gone as well. So the whole point of the argument is not about time that Oh, you're going to be in bliss forever. What's the point? That's a stupid thing. Who doesn't want to be in bliss forever? The point is that the bliss that we're supposed to be going through in this life, the pleasure is going to end. So he's basically misunderstood. The argument if

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you come back, brother, we'll add you to the studio and see who's next year. Let's see the questions. Brother daanish. You had a question, but I don't know where you have gone. Your question is actually very good.

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So one question per person, and someone said they have three questions.

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Donnie, y'all, there you are, brother. Assalamualaikum. All right.

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Where are you calling in from brother?

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I'm in the UK. I'm originally from Lahore, Pakistan. You're from? Lahore, Pakistan. No, Allahu Akbar.

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UK, UK I'm in reading right now. Okay. Reading Nice. Yeah, we want to we wanted to send a hijab actually got invite from lumps. You heard of London? Yeah, I was actually I got a ticket for them but I heard he got canceled. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't I didn't make it we didn't make official Yeah. Oh, it was still in the process but I inshallah I'm working on a plan to drag him to Boston

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so big moves them on some big moves in Pakistan, Burma. Yeah, definitely. He's gonna love you.

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Know, I went to I've been to obviously Pakistan a lot. And I've been to Egypt. Yeah. It's very similar. It's very similar. Exactly. remarkably similar. Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, firstly, I just wanted to say I was very impressed with the way you dealt with Pearson, and I'm very looking forward to this this discussion of kondalilla Tomorrow, I think it's gonna be good and I think it'll be on the Peterson thing on the Peterson thing. And you know, we didn't we didn't actually do a live off to the Peterson thing. I got COVID Then he Job was a job. I don't know what the hell he was doing. So we didn't do it for a long time. What to do?

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for you, because I wanted to get feedback from people on this, I think, definitely,

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I think towards the end where you recite Quran, and you explained how this can be like even a physical healing, and you really tried to attach our love for the Quran and like, what we believe about the words of Allah, and how it can impact us physically and mentally. I think that was a very, a very strong point to put forward. And I'd like a cherry on top of the discussing that comparison and stuff. Because I think especially considering you have to recite it in Arabic, and then he pointed out that you were like chanting when you were like, We were excited, because this is even a physical healing for us. I think that was probably one of the most like striking parts under law.

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And when you are Peterson fan like before, this used to listen to his stuff, you know, before, before I like, started practicing, I think I definitely listened to this stuff a lot, because he became very popular in like the pop culture because he had like, opposing views to like, like very strong liberals. So that's why I think, yeah, I did, I did listen to him. But then after I stopped practicing, I slowly realized slight holes compared to when you compare his views to Islam and his comments. But yeah, 100 I think it was he was dealt with very well, I think will be very beneficial going forward.

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Okay, excellent. So what's your question? Brother? So my question was about so this is because like, in in like the youngsters we see like a lot of like, spirituality but no religion coming, like out bend and people. I've talked to some people and they like, they propose an idea just from themselves about, like a deistic form of God who just like sets things into like a like a, like, starts things at the start and then just like, goes, let's go on by themselves and isn't necessarily a moral agent. Now, I wanted to ask for like a good way to respond to an argument like this. And understand maybe from the idea of like active dependency and why God ought to be a moral agent. Yeah. Um,

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the first thing I want to do is there's a wonderful brother by the name by Sam Zawadi. So Assam Zawadi on academia.edu, he's actually written a paper on deism right, and actually refuting a lot of the common claims and even academic claims that DS actually make for their worldview, including the things that you referred to in your question. And I don't think there's been anything like what Brother besom has written, right? If you go to my channel, I actually interviewed him about it. So if you want to audio version of his work, and just, you know, a sort of summary, then you can put in the Psalms Awadhi, and put in my name, and you'll find the video. If you want to read the paper, you

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can actually go through the paper in some depth. But the thing is, essentially, the deist is calling for a mute God, they basically calling for a God, who is cold, who's calling for a God who is unloving who is indifferent. And in a way, atheism and deism is similar, right? I mean, what is the practical difference between an atheist and a deist, on a day to day basis, it's practically no difference only in some, you know, some, some metaphysical. It's a metaphysical belief that they hold that beyond this world, there is a Creator, that's it. So in essence, they are no different to atheists. And what we do find is amongst the most hardcore secularists, before the atheist came, and

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others, you had people who had, you know, there's a wave of deism, right, especially amongst the sort of intelligentsia, in Europe. So the very concept of God, you need to look into it, and you need to show them like brother bersama has done you can refer to his stuff, how it is incoherent, that there is a creator who's created the world, and then somehow was expected to believe that is indifferent to the world. And everything that happens in the world, including human suffering, meaning questions on existence, purpose, all these things that there's absolutely no guidance on. It's almost

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I wouldn't say almost it is quite insulting to God essentially that what's that verse in the Quran and Rich, do people think they were created and to be

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all passive aggressive supporter prolamin, long left and do people think that they'll be lifted on and they will not be tested? They will not be tested? Everything. I mean, there's a purpose. I mean, you came onto this live stream, you did it for a purpose. So for God to do

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for God to create the world and have no purpose. It's a very

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strange thing to attribute to the divine.

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Yeah, I think that's like you know, and then,

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in philosophy in the academy, there's like two strands of thought and Western philosophy.

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Every one of them is referred to as analytic philosophy, the other one's called continental philosophy and analytic philosophy is is is the strand of philosophy which deals with arguments like structures and so on, like this premise one, premise two, then therefore, whatever. Whereas continental philosophy is, is more to do with the existential

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experience and so on.

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And analytically or like systematically, you can make arguments for God's existence, but where it becomes the kind of worthy of worship you need to be off, like content or site type philosophy, where you're dealing with purpose of life issues? Because the question, once you've established that God is where the worship is independent, one, we're independent, we're dependent on him and all these aspects.

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Then the question that asks itself is, so what's the purpose of this source? But before we get there, we need to see if there's such a thing as prompts in the first place. And these are all existential type questions first person subjective, have questions. And some will say well, this objective things like oh, they're not as solid as the kind of like continental type of philosophy philosophical inquiries, but the truth is the rational the rationalist school of thought, through which you could argue the whole analytic school of philosophy is based upon is actually based on the digital of vanilla culture, I think, therefore, I am, which is a subjective realization, because

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obviously, you went through like the meditations, you went through the courses, the mag doubt, and then it came to, I think, therefore, I am. So the point is, I think, therefore, I am, is an introspective posture. So this is subjective. And so to dismiss the continental type type philosophical inquiries, which deals with purpose and so on, as not strong enough or strong enough or otherwise subjective meaning subordinate to the analytic Overlord, if you like, that's something which denies the history of the rational school in the first place,

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of which obviously, the Amity school is based. So you need a bit of both, once you've made the argument for God's existence, and analytics sense, you can only really draw out this many attributes however many there is. And then a lot more of them will be found through deep introspection

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and, and the the existential type questions of purpose and so on. So you need to couple both, if you don't have both, it will not be successful, you need to couple the existential robust existential approach of introspection with the analytic type and the Quran does both when it says salary who is enough, in fact, you will see emphysematous available now that we will show them you know, our signs in horizons and in themselves until it is made clear patently clear to them that this is the truth. Meaning there's two kinds of arguments are being made. There's one which is visual, and if you like empirical, if you like analytic, and the other one is more introspective, and both of them coalesce

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at the end of the day.

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I never I am that way that's that's a very, I think, I think should give a hot bonus.

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He's really good. He's talking about you know, doing deadlifts and this and that, so let's have some of that. Let's see what you posted on your channel like a few times is a very good

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hour she's done Dallas's video coming up tomorrow on that list without brother quorum

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brother Yeah, that goes as I browse down the list platform I want to go higher and higher and he said

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but you'll see you see me you'll see me go silver back at him yeah they split so the second

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oh my god

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don't get started today

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so brothers in the comments I can see you know when you guys are posting questions there some sectarian type of questions and we just don't entertain those right so just adding brother Muhammad the sham Islam naked brother Well, I read that the first time it looked like Muhammad atheism.

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So we

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Yes, we can call it from India. India. Good to

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come calling from West Bengal actually it's near border Bangladesh based inside near Assam to India.

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Nice. Yeah. This part of you you guys you guys are quite good at Matson. Yeah, a lot of fish.

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Yeah, no, no, it's it's both Western

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About Gaul and Bengalis, basically who fish very much that way there's a lot of Hindu Bengkulu.

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Let me give, because it was definitely. So let me, let me give you some, I'm going to give you some reasons why Bengalis are so intelligent and people are West Bengal and say Loncar in Japan even. So you see when you get a wire, right, so let's see, there we go bring on, there you go. You can see this wire, right? When you have this wire.

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The the wrapping around the wire is not just there to make it look pretty and to stop you from being electrocuted, right? It's also there to actually help conduct the electricity. Right is there to wait for conduction, right? Yep. So what happens is

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the wiring that you have in your cognitive architecture, if you have a type of fat which wraps around that, that wiring and just to keep it simple, then you're going to have a better cognitive faculties. And there's a fat which goes around that wiring and you get that fat from fish. So these people who regularly fish they're actually a lot more intelligent than the rest of us. No, we're just eating chickens. I official the title Oh, you're talking about

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I've never seen you fish but my mom makes it two three times a week. I go to her house. Whenever we order food he never order fish. I want to see all the fish now. No, because there's food who's gonna make fish? Tell me I want to know good fish place in the Splenda please Madonna's this fish fillet

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fish that's That's disgusting. She's nice with the barbecue sauce. It's actually from McDonald's is nasty.

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Actually is not

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sorry, brother. Anyway, it's

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a horror game muscle without you know have you seen this for him? I spit up.

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No, he doesn't exactly he looks like Indian version of Jorge Masvidal that's what that's what somebody said

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you know this guy

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is a fighter is called Jorge mas without losing fighter. He keeps losing

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you confuse the brother now? He actually won a few fights is well known guy. Very good UFC fighter. Yeah. So what's your feedback or question brother?

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I had no questions. Because I have been listening to you guys for like yours.

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Like we know, like, we can make joke with you. We feel like we can. You can have some fish

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on fish, but one fish can't do that.

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So really?

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No, I mean, I had no questions basically, I just wanted to get in this talk to you guys. Because I was trying for a long time. And feedback says in normal job sir, I respect you a lot as been like, I don't know, maybe 1000 of your videos, I've been following you guys

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bits and pieces.

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My, my feedback was that, you know, I would want you to get more scholars on board, actually. I mean, it comes a suit is one of them. And sciatica is one of my favorite actually

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is not easy to access. I know

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people think that we have a problem speaking to people from different standing from different creedal school or different country or whatever, we haven't got a problem with any of that. But the question is, are these people you know really have the time to get involved in the nitty gritty of Dawa so maybe not because they're running their own their own institutions and stuff like that. So but we'll open this up because this office and seeing that obviously, everyone everyone is different from all different parts of the country from all different parts of the world, bro. From like, you know, people come in here, like we we hope we have an open door policy

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invite it's literally

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the wrong idea. Come we're gonna have to use our weapons or something.

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Nobody ideas like the fish people come to the office all the time and we are happy to have conversations with anybody. So Bo is what is and we do have a lot of scholars on board we have a lot of a lot of people on board of ailments and

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the issues that I had a quick question for Sheikh Hamza so basically because

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I am on the attorney side

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The thing is I can You can clear that

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I am on that side know when I got to learn everything I understood that I'm with shake

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bow like with you and yes into the you know my understanding of Islam. He said he and pathetic

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My question was, why he is the no actually because everything he says, you know, he is good actually, you know, he's not like in the right part in the middle part but I could not understand how the way the shady. Yeah, look, there's been very clever people bro in the history of Islam there are no sorry there are no Ashari there are not more there are even more totally. And you know the sample of that is it hasn't lendable so you know, like the guy was Abha he was a serious by his his method was probably closest to the Nazis in terms of necessary fact if you really look into

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yeah yeah so what we're saying is don't ever don't always think that the tofield from Allah or the hidayah from Allah is based on your intelligence because you sometimes can be very intelligent like for me, one of the most intelligent people that have ever been in the Islamic world has even seen now

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a lot of family and stuff. But for me, let's see now obviously, it has led to national he said he's a cancer like put it that way, but even seem to be he wrote a book which was used in, in medicine in the West Island, the East for such a long time. He in his autobiography says the effect of I found that medicine was one of the easy sciences or something like that. The guy was a it was a knowledge producer. But he was he was not available. Or he was not given that blessing from Allah when it came to today. So it's not always the case that everybody who is going to be very intelligent or upcard is going to be whatever credit score you follow whatever happens. So you have to differentiate. You

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know you can have someone whose basic person doesn't know any philosophy does not any help any anything but Allah puts that in his heart to me so it's not always a matter of this person is intelligent. Why is he not this creative school? Yeah, but just to add to this, I would say yeah, you know, if you look at

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all of the issues that we're currently facing liberalism, atheism, feminism, Darwinism, scientism, all these issues even Marxism and capitalism as as, as live mechanisms in the world. I just find it strange that Muslims are kind of like, Oh, this guy, but this guy, this guy. I don't know. Honestly, let me just complete this point. This this actual real concern, right? It's like, okay, but but this, this, this person, and it's like, okay, okay, you can study Aikido right? You you come to your conclusion to the best ability that you can. You're still a Muslim, but you are sure you are three motori do so the Muslim Okay, fine, Carlos. That's it. After that point, when someone even raises

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this issue. It's like, okay, well, fine. You look amazing. On the point, this audio point. Yeah, yeah. I one time I think it was going to prison. So before that the research will come to the research, but it will take me a long time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I thought it was going to prison or he came out I cannot remember exactly the context. And I can't get the references no problem. And he was he was asked like, Why?

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Why did you talk about the C fat like the attributes of God in such a detailed manner? Like, you know, the Bean was ash hotties or whatever it is? Yeah. You know, he responded in a very interesting way. You know, he said,

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he said, I'd never I never bring stuff to the Emmys. Very important point, bro. He's I never bring this stuff to the lay people ever. He said, You know, the truth is, I only bring I only mentioned this stuff in like, in controlled environments. And all that he said that when I'm asked about it, so he also in questions, and he brings it to lay people, or that he brings it to specialized groups. In other words, this is not the normative stance, you don't go to a lay person and say talk about the OSH cafestol option the deep in the Zuill is it Bizet or not is that and there's a what does this mean and like proper deep questions and what's different than that and see fat and we'll do the

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proper property questions. He'd unless someone really asks him about it, and which he feels like compelled to answer he doesn't bring it to he doesn't start off by bringing this stuff to the laypeople necessarily. That's very the bringing sectarian creedal sectarian things where actually you're seeing differences between Muslims to a lay audience sometimes like it's not even to me an approach is not sadly like an ad one thing I actually India and Pakistan is full of I mean, I'm sure there knows that we have parted ways and they win these and it's full of my even my family and everybody so I don't think they understand

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these scholars because their understanding I've read all the articles and everything I've read the the understanding of God is a tribute they have so deep Burrillville they would never 78 Even Tamil again thing. I'm in my bedroom.

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Look, I'll be very honest with you. Yeah. Be very, very. I spent a lot of time

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amongst Indian subconscious

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In a community of all stripes,

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hardly anyone believes in these labels. They don't believe in these labels because once you once you become practicing, right, then these things become super important disguise this disguised as you go to the average Muslim, the average Aboriginals they've never heard of these terms. They don't care about these terms. They don't even know the basics. So for me bringing up these things are not helpful. So I wouldn't for example, somebody I wouldn't say to somebody, okay, you're part of this sect, and I'm part of this sect his war between us Kotsay to him, Okay, you're a Muslim or Muslim. We both believe in the same book, we both believe in the narration of the Prophet peace be pointing

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to both, but even as a harbor, we have common ground. And then if you want to disagree with somebody on something and you disagree, politely, like he's your brother, and you go over the evidences, but I just don't even like the way that the conversation begins by saying, okay, so you have these these people and these people and these people, and then okay, why isn't this person following this school? I would say, okay, like, that's the it's kind of like, if you try and open the door, instead of using a key, you're trying to use a screwdriver. It's just the wrong approach to begin I'll give you an example a job so

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I was in my local area. And what happened is I was walking around and random guy saw me from

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I think, pizza shop chicken got whatever came up said Oh, brother I watch your videos blah blah somebody some guy from Indian subcontinent? I said okay, as well. So I'm walking with him. He's really introduced in atheism and dissent dissent dissent talking to me talking. I'm listening to him very young, enthusiastic brother. And then he goes, Oh, by the way, Muttiah I was okay. And he's like, oh, you know, like he thought her telling like Get the hell out of here. I didn't do that. I was like, okay. So anyway carried on talking talking talking. So what I tried to do I try to say to him look, honestly, I believe Sunni isms. Correct? Why want you to do is to follow the evidence

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follow, okay. So if someone looks at the evidence, okay, the Quran, the Sunnah, the sahaba. And look at this, then it'll be pretty clear. Okay, so needs to make sense. But I'm not going to be like, Okay, you're a rafidah You're this You're that get the hell out of you know, the guys confused about God. He's, he's clearly affected by these types of things. What's the point of me driving him away? It's better for me to give him principles to come to what is the truth, which is that, you know, the Sahaba did not betray the process element, the Sahaba were the best of generation the first few generations, like it's better to do that. Because honestly, brother, well, I would say is

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sectarianism, is the cause of doubt, anecdotally, but we have research to show we have research to show that it is so I don't even entertain these things. I honestly don't I just give people principles, follow the evidence. And if you follow the evidence, Inshallah, you will get to guidance and it's as simple as that. But we really shouldn't put people into these labels this person is this this person does that because honestly, go down the road, right? Go to Leicester Square. And sadly the Muslims that are coming drunk all those places, all these ask them whether they Mutasa light. So

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you've been through the wringer camps, right. So sisters who are being stuck for a gang raped and coming out, oh, where's Allah broke? Calm down, calm down, we need to leave this silliness, right? And we need to just tell people principles come to the truth. Right? Follow these evidences. So you know, the these things is not the way to do things. Allison nama Gemma is wide. And you know, we were going to have a dialogue, you may disagree or this or that before now, is this our priority right now? Something which hasn't been resolved for how long? 1000 something years, right. But we both agree that Muslims should be trying to resolve something that wasn't resolved by people who are

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far better than us. Today, in this world, when we've got all of these political, ideological attacks upon exam, is this the right time to actually start seeing some people can do it in their own HELOC in their own student knowledge background like those who will not be confused by and have the tools for it, but for the majority people this kind of stuff is irrelevant. All right, let's go to this. Thank you, brother. Thank you my friend. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

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No, I was using so anyway, um, the thing is a job I think end upon this point, because I don't want to keep this comes on the live stream and this and this and this. The thing is this approach that you just said, have been Tamia shift shareholders some have been deeming This is phenomenal. And no one's heard of it. So you know, it's man because one time that like, you know, he even endorsed taking photos as a finger from Ashley's.

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I think that effect we're like, oh, should we not take photos from these scholars who are sharing blah, blah, blah. He said no, if they don't get that wasn't who's going to give people the success? So basically, the idea I feel like on the ground, even Tamia is misunderstood.

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And if we, I do feel as a difference between would say, Me, and a lot of the new selfie approaches would respect and I like, especially coming from certain countries. So when we get that kind of thing, right, you know, especially in the early days of the establishment of Saudi Arabia, the very first time, the middle of Saudi Arabia and people were very, very, like, antithetical to that they're not interested in that kind of hardline approach. They're very, very good people. I've met them very nice people, very gentle people. And, you know, they're not interested in the heart of the hardline approach of sectarianism and smashing this one in the tech field that was there. But there

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is there is that in the beginning of the establishment of service role Sofala service I think it's too late. I think you're

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and yeah, and we're gonna look at what happened to me. I was like, you know, he was he had good physical Oh, yeah. You know, yeah,

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absolutely. Anyway, next one, a salami can brother Ibrahim

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Where are you calling from?

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I'm calling from Germany. Germany. Mashallah. Which which part Germany?

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Near Franco,

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into in the middle of Germany. Okay, I haven't been there. I've been to Hanover.

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Oh, it's quite. It's quite up. Yeah.

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Nice places. In fact, you know, John Fontaine.

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You know, the

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days in Turkey now. So what we did is we moved down from northwest London all the way to Cologne. It was beautiful. Trip. So tell us Brother, what's your question? You anything I have questions? I will be doing. They're going bro.

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I have a question about YouTube in general. Like you guys have been doing YouTube since a long time. I think and I've been watching notes since a long time. But there is an issue I want to start to to puzzle and making some some combination of power and some combination of

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sport and athletic.

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And but there is an issue

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is the YouTube ads like YouTube ads in general. Have has

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haram stuff in it. And now YouTube has

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updated its terms of service and its share YouTube can now display ads on all channel whether you want on

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let's be honest, there's difference in Islam, Khalid and Muslim. Let's get that right first

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is I'm me, a lay person or a student of knowledge at a basic level like ourselves, lay people students with knowledge, a very, very basic level

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study the things that we try to follow it and there's much to hear today they are the ones who make fetch was on the horizon. Yeah, we have to differentiate between the Macaulay as Some scholars say you have some does it Tibet as well as like a man's 11 and mental attain, like, in a sense,

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somewhere in the middle between the college and whatever? Yeah. So the what we are, is we follow the facts was, we don't make them the very important thing. So the Quran states that's good to know. Yeah, the Quran says we're also live in a rural I'm living right now Nima who lives in Istanbul Amina if they had brought it back to the Prophet and to the people that disembark from them it would have known x y Zed now what you're what you're bringing is a school soothe masala you're bringing the actual masala

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now I follow her opinion which which says XYZ half $1 I'm fine to be on YouTube even with adverts because the Muslim has more than I say that I follow opinion like that. Now if you ask me to tell you a little Why did you follow this opinion and give me the reasons then really I'm not doing this is outside of my paygrade This is outside of my in support paygrade because when our job is not to give you a URL and to give you

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give you reasoning why the issue has is this way or that way. That's the job of the booster head. Yep. Awesome. Also job of the of the high level movie, which is not what we are. Okay, so this course I was all respect is outside my paygrade if you if I can tell you a follow up opinion that says it's the lesser of two evils or is masala and Jefferson and that we have people that we follow that say that's okay. That's fine. You know, people that we trust people that we believe can make those kinds of judgments. But having said that, you know,

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Your everyone is free if someone has a strong view that actually this is not the case and there should be a matter which is haram or whatever they respect that. But then I will say lighting coughing besides enough as far as the the principle goes, that there is no income that you can't if there's a matter of difference of opinion matters not Popeye. There's different scholars that saying different things then Islam says Latin car, or just those who say, Latin coffee Macedo, if you cannot, there's no disparagement or if there's there's no incar kind of negation negation is a good one. Yeah, in situations where there's a difference of opinion, which is the gym so in a nutshell,

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bro with when it comes to myself, here, it's we are Yeah, I mean, basic guys. We're not there's not a field symbolize that was.

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So I can't do. I can't say that. That's been I've been trying to reach out for a month or something like this. And like I've been trying since two weeks, and you're the only

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guy right? You're an RV. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, fellas, you've got many of these in our book, bro. Like this. So so many. Exactly, exactly.

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I can tell you what you need to find. You need to find the kind of monster head move to share that. He understands the masala he understands that because a hawk was shaped for him. Until so Woody. Yeah. As they say that your hokum have something you need to be able to understand. That's why they have a web on

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the Hebrew merata region we're not.

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We're not all of these different words. So get someone who you trust from either the Arab World English speaking world because this is a muscle that affects everybody. Tell them the sort of the masala or how this situation looks. And I'll see what they have to say to you. Yeah, that's all I have to say about that.

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You know, anyone who's answer my question because I write a lot

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for you from from Syria.

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I mean, to be honest, I don't know about the Syrian Allamah to be completely honest, but I'm sure there are so many man there's so many like, like, I don't know what even stop, but there's just try and find somebody who's bonafide, who's experienced. Who has Hebron Melaka as well as I, you know, and see what we've got people in this country. I've got sure Haytham had that we have we have people in and we have people who look at

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money or just live q&a on YouTube. Yeah, I mean, move to Borneo. Yeah, he's I think he's he is makin student of knowledge, which has good grounding, I think is pretty good at this kind of thing. Depends on who you feel comfortable with. If you can get your hands on someone, like even inside the company, you know, this Moroccan guy, you know, he's our righteous man, or a chef dedos disguised as a high level scholar. Sadly Candy's a high level scholar in Saudi Arabia, you have some high level scholars in Egypt. This scholars are not in one place. They're all over the world.

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There is there is one scholar I think it is named as a hacky. But

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it was charged $100 for half an hour.

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Yeah, but

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he was awesome. He does free free things on Twitter.

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Every couple of days I asked him

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himself on YouTube yeah, by the way got channel Yeah, so maybe that indicate we can we can assume the best of him and think that what if this is going to be forced? For me? He's not the kind of both these guys and said you know, the, the mumble was that like I was speaking to OSHA, like shift manager, the guy does. Islam QA guy. Yeah.

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They're very, very, very pious people. They're very very pious people you know when shift managers sunlight solid submerge, you know, his son died. Well, like I had so much respect for him. He came on like YouTube, like a channel. So it's like, he forgave the kill off his son, you know that? No, he forgave the kill off his son was killed no * salon manager.

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But I know people that used to work in his organization. Yeah, like the he has an organization called Zack he's also got slammed QA. Yeah. And as long as you know, there's somebody that that they would speak in the place of work like right now imagine you got they will go on their phone they would speak and and who say that? Don't speak in the place of work. Don't speak because almost paying you blah, blah, blah. He was so meticulous guys really pious. And that's why he's one of the least apologetic people on the internet. Like, you know, and he's by the way he's he's hierarchy in a sense that he was actually if you remember the whole Syrian thing, but he was

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Pro Syrian rights he wasn't one of those kinds of people that were not talking about the plight of the Muslim people. So shout out Majid I have a lot of respect. I have a lot of respect. And I'm by extension awesome Hakeem as well because he's he was part of that one as well. He was part of that culture of, you know, a water is serious water like, you know, like, being careful of so these people are Yeah, if you get your hands on them. I mean, it's just more legit I would say is more senior. That's your husband. I came to respect Oh, to show how awesome yeah, he's never even He only says yeah, but you know, but if you can get if you guys oh, I mean, both of them are, you know,

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yeah. Okay, one one last question. If you want if we were to give one advice to young people like me, or

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above 20 or below 20 like general advice what should what it could be

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Muslim guys.

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Honestly, this is the advice I'll keep saying it because the Quran makes Allah yes or no analogically Fatima Dhaka. You know, it's about Quran but we were like one thing that I wish when I was younger died, it was the memorization of the Quran, Quran Moraga and more

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tetherball of the Quran, the so much like the Quran talks about all these levels, you should be doing a run to the board, the factor has

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all of these things is that you can never lose by just immersing yourself in as the best people say, What's the best book of Arcada the best book of accolades, operon, the best book of the best book, the fifth of the Quran was the best book of in general, the best book is the Quran. So you can never go there's nothing better than putting your time in. And that's honestly I would say,

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thank you very much, just so that it's not misconstrued. We're not caronian Yeah.

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It's the basis. It's the mother, the mother source if you like, right. But I think something which I put on Twitter today was for the youth

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and have a look at it if you want to find it beneficial, but some people were drinking and put it on. Sorry. Yeah, the studios full.

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So the thing is that

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why said is don't wait till you get old? Yeah, right. This is very important. There's a few things the thing is when you get old, in a way, you've used up the best time of your life, and you're giving Allah if you like, the last part of your life, and you may not get to that part. And also, you may not understand things. So how can you go? Oh, it's like someone saying they're a builder and all their life they do not building and they don't know how to build. And then when they're about 60 years old, and their back hurts and this and that, then they're like, Okay, let me look at building my manual and put together a wall now all your life what you've been doing 60 years. So don't wait

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till you get old because what we find in the Muslim world, is that there's this idea of underload you know, we have Shabaab in the masjid and whatnot.

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But we find that people have to say, Oh, when I get old, you know, I'll go Hajj and this and that. Like, that's a very thing. I think our generation has one very big problem. I see it on my friends with me. We waste a lot of time, like I have in the day. 24 hours. I was I was like 20 hours and four hours like eating and doing basic stuff. We waste a lot of time and I tried to do a lot of things to

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solve this, but I couldn't show that's what the professor salami said the Dynamo Hamson, couple of hands, make use of fighting before five things come Shabaab aka publican Amok Yeah. So that your youth before your old age, I'm one of them. And one of them was sure for all habla Charlotte Kasasa Casasola, you know, your, your free time before you get busy. And he also mentioned other things, you know, like American public fabric, that your money before your house, your sovereign

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public? Yeah. And life before that? Yeah. Alright. Just like a brother.

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Colonia. Thank you very much. Malik. Muslera Allah, so we have a good question from Kenosha. But can you please switch on your cameras we can see that you're a real person before we add you to the stream

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can you switch your camera on?

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Because you Okay, now you can switch it off.

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Okay, thank you. A salami Come sister. How you doing?

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where are you calling?

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From Canada.

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Okay, good. You in Canada not too long.

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I'm not sure if she can answer it, because it might be a long answer. Or I'm not sure if you it's out of your paygrade or something like that. But just curious to know what your opinion because I know that you guys are Sunni Muslim. And when I became Muslim, I kind of was

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like, I would consider myself a Sunni Muslim. Like, I believe in Hadith and things like that. But

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I think because I'm a convert, and I only speak English, I don't know Arabic and stuff like that. I feel like information about hadith is like, I'm limited on that. So that's why I had some questions about that. I also have a husband, he's Turkish. And

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he seems to be going away from Hadith, the key, he has some disbeliefs on it. And he was showing me a lot of

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talks, Turkish Turkish, like, shifts and things like that, who were basically rejecting Hadith. And so it kind of made me a little bit confused. And

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basically, sort of asking some questions, I still believe in Hadith, but

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I was just wondering, what kind of stance are we supposed to take on them? Because from my understanding could on is like, perfect, it's infallible like it's it was preserved. And

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I hear different things about Hadith.

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And, yeah, I mean, listen to stuff we've done. We've actually recently what we do is either called the London air series on on Sapiens, which is the channel that do the series on it. And one of the one of the actual episodes we have already filmed was on Hadith rejection, or so called for anism. Yeah, yeah. In a nutshell, this stance is equivalent stance, and be clear about it. If someone told me no, no, no. Yeah.

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Yes, sounds of disbelief. Which means if some if at one point, your husband states that, you know, I don't believe in any of these hobbies, at all, that it may be necessary to go to an Islamic judge in your area, or, you know, and see if your marriage is still valid, because that might be apostasy. So he doesn't disbelieve and all hadith is just, we were kind of

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what happened basically is like, I was looking at what's about something about the the Prophet splitting the moon? Yeah. And

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he was like, I don't, I don't think that's true. And I said, Okay, I look that I'm not saying that's fine. But that's not a matter of belief and disbelief. Okay, because we want to because when I started discussing about it with him, he was the reason why he didn't believe in it was because he thought it was like a contradiction with the Quran because it says that, um, like, the reason why Allah doesn't send down on itself says it started with Assad to unshackle karma, you know, you know, in chapter 54, verse one, yeah, the The hour has come there and Moon has been split. So there's no gender. But he said also that maybe that is referring to the future like it doesn't necessarily mean

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oh, that's what he said. But yeah, okay, no problem. This is this is a weird and aberrational, understanding that he's not committing Cofer, he's just going against the majority. So the vast overwhelming vast majority, you know, but that hadith is is sahih from my understanding, so it's kind of and then I've had other arguments about the Misaki that

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because before you continue, if someone even if someone says these individual Hadith since I Behati I'm not true or because of academic reasons, whatever, that doesn't make them a Kaffir Okay.

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That makes them that just as you know, there is some level of freedom in the religion of Islam, it's not the Quran the Hadith, so if someone rejects individual Hadith Sahih Muslim by the way has a lot of weak Hadith um, this might be a controversial statement, but it's it's not as if

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it was unintended so Muslim itself you know, this, however, Hadith, in the in the bap, you know, that was almost intended, like support a hadith. And so this is known in that. And even as a body itself, there's some Hadith have been spoken about by other scholars like Adara, Putney and others. So for academic reasons, if someone comes and says, well, like, you know, and Bukhari and Muslim this week, at least, blah, blah, blah. That doesn't make them a Katherine in the same way as if someone bring an A and say this is not true. You see, there is definitely a distinction here between

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In the Quran and the Hadith from that perspective, if someone comes bahaya says all these individual Hadith, but if that's one, that's one surah that's one of you like,

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way in which the thing can look. Another way is if someone says, we don't need the Hadith at all, there's no such Hadith as required. And, you know, I don't believe in the Hadith, that's actually a cautionary statement, because now you're rejecting the messenger International, you've made the Quran that you thought it couldn't have been been a low velocity as the Quran says you they literally differentiating or doing Africa or separating between the Quran, Allah and the messengers. So these these kind of things here.

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These these kinds of things should be kind of really understood.

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But to be honest with you, like in terms of the individual thing, like Oh, someone, I have a thought I mentioned, who I'm not going to mention, but I've met scholars, actual Islamic scholars who have negated the spelling of them for their own scholarly reasons or academic reasons what I've had this and they said this, and they said that, if they'd like even scholars have come and said, I don't believe that the age of Asha was nine.

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And they're doing it for academic reasons. This is not Cuffley statement. It's not a quick reset, because these things are not eonni something if you don't believe in it, then you become a Catholic. But if someone remember rejects the entirety of the need for Hadith, that's when you actually end need to go to a judge and see if your marriage is still valid. And in fact, you shouldn't in many ways, you could argue should not even any sort of say being with your husband until that is clarified. Then you explain to that judge exactly what he has said. And what his thoughts his wife's nuisances? Because yeah, we did. This is called Aqua. We didn't talk about it.

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He just like yeah, that's very, very just specific. Hadith. He doesn't reject in that case. Yeah. Wait for the for the session on on Quran projection. So you had this projection? It should be out maybe the next couple of weeks. Okay, that's good, because I was gonna ask you if you could do something like that, because it's just like, the stance was so unclear to me because I saw so many

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people and even because we went to an imam to ask about this specifically. And he was saying like, like rejecting a single Hadith this year Michigan.

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Sister, what I would highly recommend is there's a brother within our ecosystem that are ecosystem, Jake, the Muslim metaphysician? Have you heard of him?

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Sorry, all right. No, I haven't. Okay. He's, he's got his own channel. You'll find him on on YouTube. So, Jake, Muslim metaphysician, right. He's an American convert from I think he was agnostic or whatever he was before he so on. And so he was, he was not only a

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hadith projector, he was a top debater on their site. And then what he did is, over time, he came to analyze every single argument that they have in their arsenal and to refute each single one. He was there in the session. Yeah, and check this out. He debated the Turkish guy, whoever his name is, who is the top Khurana Yun guy in the world, the top guy who only believes in Quran only, you know, understanding and he absolutely demolished him. So the thing with Jake is every he's been through the entire journey, new Muslim Quran even for a number of years actually. So then he came to the understanding that actually you need Hadith. So please look up his stuff as well. And he's very

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accessible. And what I'll do is I'll actually it's one minute 33 What I'll do is I'll actually send him this time stamp, and you can actually catch him on Twitter and DM him and just say to him look, the brothers spoke to me about you and he can help you out one to one as well because Hadith rejecting rejection is a dangerous slippery slope. In even when it begins off with you know, we were speaking about one or two, that those are the scholars and an academic understanding but for the alarm for the average person, you know, the treatment of Hadith should not be with such with such disregard Yeah, it should be the classical understanding which is that actually we do believe in

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large part the Hadith work preserved and he'll get rid of me you mentioned Turkish scholars I mean, I wouldn't say they're scholars but these Turkish individuals so they are the ones who are pushing this and the top Turkish Khurana Yun guy has already been refuted by Jake so anything they bring is going to be inferior to the arguments that he's already addressed right. So just note that down as well please. Yeah, just thank you so much to come up and Charla you

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Get one away more detail on that. Yeah. Okay, thank you so much. I'm really glad I asked you this I was kind of nervous about it but thank you so much.

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Sorry. Well, you

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want to end

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we'll give him one or two more. Yeah, but I think I think we've got a nice you know, people come in they leave in this type of thing they should know about what's happening what's happening tomorrow, you know, then tomorrow you know, they're going to go Makayla Peterson's YouTube channel. Yeah, they're gonna see this otter Peterson. Yeah, the door piece and obviously everybody knows this. Okay, fine. But you know, it's, they're gonna see in sha Allah, the opposing views. Kind of sorry, episode with iron, so called Ayaan Hirsi. Yeah. And if it's left on tampered, and I hope it is because they're into freedom of speech and that kind of thing. And there was no there was no editing

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of the Peterson Yeah, to be fair, there wasn't no,

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I have trusted that because I've got the video anyways, I've got to

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go back. Um, so the thing which is important to understand is, with Peterson, we were dealing with an individual that you deal with respect, because he's trying to do with us respect. But here we're talking about someone who inspires right wing terror, and would love Muslims to be discriminated against and is an apple polisher for the far right. And somebody who is actually an apostate from the African identity, someone who glorifies colonization glorifies, you know, essentially Western imperialism. So this is somebody who is even if, and I don't think I'm pushing the line here, even if she was not a Muslim, even if she was a Marxist, or they're just something totally different. I

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think she would still need to be dealt in the same way. Because in many ways, what she's pushing out is not just for the Muslim community, it's actually anti immigration is anti, you know, any. You know, we we've seen recently that there's this bias towards certain types of immigrants and not others during refugee situations, where you can see it's far greater than just even Islam that she has a particular if you like, she wants to fully endorse the narrative of the right wing and make you look like oh, look, here's an African woman and she agrees with the right wing. And that's her only selling point why she's famous.

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Anything you

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know, well, only that which will be said tomorrow. Okay, brilliant. Okay, so brothers, could I ask Khalid Hassan to post this question of the Rihanna Amir to post your question

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Islamic and brother up there man

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Yes We Can we calling from when I'm running from Pakistan for so fun I made nervous and I love you guys.

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Were in Buxton.

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in Karachi, in Karachi, Karachi Allah Al Hamdulillah each other

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in cell lines. And I pray that God may reward you a lot you guys are doing extremely extremely amazing work.

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so what what what I wanted to ask you guys actually it was okay, so you see eight marks is just around the corner. Yeah.

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So a lot of liberals and a peep their Muslim peoples actually, they have this western ideology of making like Asana liberal country and

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a huge number I'll say a huge number come out to the roads and usually Porsche areas where rich rich people lives who have opted western values and they try to you know

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give out the force their opinion on people like we will wear the coat cloth we weren't. And we were we want to make LGBT. Q legal in Pakistan. Yeah. And just adopt Western Western. What do we say Western culture in Pakistan, they want to promote this. What I want to do is just like you guys, we need people who go and question them just like you do. And some people do, and they have done it and office of obviously the right the right wing population is huge. And those videos went viral lentos many videos got millions and millions of views. But I think that more questions more more intelligent questions like, you see that the results of Western

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cultures when when they are adopted.

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A lot of lot of behavior happens what a lot of for harsh for harsh things happen. Need to prepare a line of questioning, like, you can see that five out of one woman is raped and in America and a lot of sexual harassment or sexual assault happened there. This questioning in the questions and the questions on questioning on LGBT PDQ happens, what we need to do is prepare a group like you guys here in Pakistan, have some equipment, and basically have some exposure, which maybe you guys could provide. And as these liberals and as these people who basically gather on the eight mass on the Woman's Day, and yeah, and question them, and basically I think we should we should insert them on

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their morality. Because there have been cases when people ask them gay, why are you promoting LGBTQ here in Pakistan, it is a sin, sin in the capital the law as well. So they just said can lead lead the ZAP come lead the ZAP come from Allah and we are promoting the Love should never be discouraged. They were so stubborn, they were so stubborn. But we need to do is we need to go out there and meet with them with love and compassion.

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And ask them this thought provoking questions and ask them to basically basically stop try to stop this is the man the level of emotion, right? Well, we should do it by hand. But, um, for our treatment is probably

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you see, brother, there's a lot of work that's being done by the likes of youth club. already. You can look at some talks of Rogersville Huck, when it comes to feminism, we've got Brother, you've got many have you've seen them, I've seen them follow them. What I am saying is that we should go out there with if you can contact me if you can get in, get me in contact with the

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other this is this is important, right? I spent a lot of time in Karachi, Lahore, Islam, avadh. And these types of things, I actually don't think we should bother with these people, I they are a low priority, a very low priority. Now whenever you are dealing with, say, for example, you're dealing with an ideology like feminism, right? And you've got people who understand feminism, they understand the foundations of it, the application of it, they can analyze it, they can understand the various different strands, and you have people like, you know, a job who's had discussions with feminists and, and this type of thing, you have this back and forth, and you have this productive

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dialogue. The reason why it's not productive with these people, is because they have been socialized and colonized into these ideologies. They cannot even articulate them, let alone understand them. So if a person wants to put their effort in the field of Dawa, why would you go with people who are maybe the furthest from the religion, as opposed to going with people who are actually much closer to you. So I see as wasted effort. When I when I was in Pakistan, I knew that this much was going on, I knew that there was other places where these things happen, and it's just not worth the time. So what I would say is, firstly, it's not always good. To start off a new JAMA, I think this is a

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very problematic thing. And I find this often, you know, sometimes you get this in Africa, you get this inbox fine. You get this in India, under every rock, there's a new organization under every tree, there's a there's a new institution. So I'd say is, there's a brother called YG. In what do you Dean, and within myself, I would say get into contact with him, and say to him that, you know, brother Subu, recommended you and get his advice. And don't start off your own Gemma and my advice is, leave these people alone. They are, they are the sort of people that if the Western world tomorrow became conservative, if they became red pill, if they became all about family values, you

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will find these people you are promoting this Jeffersonian type of way of life, right? This this conservative way of life, these people are colonized as what we referred to them in the past as brown slaves or coconuts. So you just have to ignore these people. These people are not worth our time

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to do

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is you can take our discussions with the slave masters

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and translate them into audio and I'm making a note to check. Yes, yes. And by the way, that's what Rogers.

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Rogers Yes. I'm actually very good content. Here.

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Remember, but he is amazing, especially when are you remember this? Yes. And so brother, I would say this is this is a piece of advice we share Haytham gives. And I really do believe in this we shouldn't have this Okay, let's make a new drama, new drama new drama. Youth Club has been around for about 11 years and 12 years now. I have been 12 years. And you know, we know them really, really well. And I would say just there's a brother on Facebook. His name is the de mushrif He's always talking to people message him Sam

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From Karachi message, brother YG. But don't don't make up your own thing and then go and talk to them. I don't want to I just want to get in contact with the Jamaat, and this causes them to let's go to these people on the day of

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what why go to them? I honestly what I would say is go speak to brother YG seek his advice. He's been in the dour a long time, ask him what do you think is the best thing to do? And, you know, it's a very simple thing. If there are people in Pakistan who are closer to the dean who are interested, why would I go with dealing with people who are so far away? Who are simply mimicking anything the Western world does? I mean, why would I bother and waste my time with low grade type of fodder? Right, I rather

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rather spend my time doing something much more fruitful. I normally what about these huge personalities is celebrities in Pakistan, new movie stars, they are also promoting these things and that is why I think that maybe maybe if we will not directly refute them, that maybe people will adopt some of the ideologies these guys are trying to, you know, impose on us. So that is what we need a little direct refutation of them.

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Some direct sense into them. Yeah, Robert Greene's had a good he said, you know, something like kill the shepherd and the sheep was scattered.

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So So and the Quran says the bestest is katsu in metal cough. Okay, listen, in the context of Bach stone.

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I'm not saying I'm not saying

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I know. But this is what stanbro this is what

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it meant, if you can get and look,

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the truth of the matter is, whatever ideas you have, they will remain ideas until you show proof of concept. But if you go out and whatever, and Show it, show it, show us how it works. And then then people going to follow if it doesn't work, there's no one, no one's gonna follow you.

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That's first. The second thing is

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if you can find the heads, the top guys as what we're trying to do, like what we like going back today and again thing, right? People that many people listen to, many people speak to not that average Joe on the street, who's a liberal and his follows a slave

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of liberalism. Not that person, not the Uncle Tom was Uncle coke.

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And Jemima, we've got to work we are talking about just, if we can get for the top dogs, then certainly if someone is well trained, okay, and that is a prerequisite. They have the best guy should go for the best, most well trained guys all round that should go for those guys. And try and finish them. That's something that you can try and do but it all depends on proof of concept. And if you if you can show that it works, then you can show it works. I agree with some of what he says is the best. You know, there's

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I see.

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You see this happens on every eight March journalists and the right wing people and many left me people they talk they have a discussion on every eight months wherever this marches happening, where this work is happening. They go there and they have a discussion. And mostly these videos go into millions and millions and millions of views and usually these views come off refuting the liberalism Yeah, but what

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about this Hameroff man? Yeah, do it show us how it works so it's whatever idea you have you if you want to go over I'm sure I'm sure in shall lie below but what I need is

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contact me with someone who has the resources brother I'm telling you if you speak to brother YG or speak to

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people I know that we've known for years for years he knows them so just contact that is what I want that is what I'm

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go to

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anything right now. I could say anything.

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brothers are interested in our

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take care man.

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Who's next? Okay, wait, let's see.

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Massey Muslim, can you please switch on your camera?

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Tomorrow is going to be a absolute demolition of this militant feminism. Because here we have somebody who actually knows this. So give it away. Let's just give them a little a little snippet right. Somebody who is doesn't represent feminism in the most ideal way. So let's get this guy mushy doesn't want to do it. Let's call it Hassan is on

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Asana calm call it rather come salaam How you doing brother so mobile? I'm doing good. Yeah, I'm so mad. What

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I'm gonna

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tell you right? Yeah, I'm good. How are you? Yeah, not bad man. Tomorrow you're gonna you're gonna be happy when that woman gets destroyed. Yeah. Yeah. I've been waiting for months. The Somali community I've been waiting for a long time. The Somali community been saying, bro, bro, oh, this woman she is?

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Yeah, man, she has

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a reputation.

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But I saw your video you did a long time ago.

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Somebody repetition that I'm sorry that the audio is a bit down. So I have to get close to my this was done nothing to the Somali reputation. So my reputation is very firmly and well intact. You know? Yeah. But if you made the hero humiliated, and so Bro, that's true. But of the things he says about FGM it's,

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it's, you know, the perception is not good. You know? Absolutely, bro. Absolutely. But, yeah, the audio. But yeah, I want to ask him.

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Can I ask two questions? Well, let's start with one the seller feel

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you know, in Denmark, I live in Denmark. Pero. So, um, so North Korea.

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I like Denmark. So in Denmark, you know, the right wing has been having, you know, because we had a, what's it called? The, the voting, you know, the voting and what's it called?

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But anyways, they have a lot of power. And they have a lot of sway with strange people nowadays. And, you know, we don't have the UK you know, the UK. That was seen, like you guys can when the when someone does something you guys are on? Because you can do it. Me

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smarter when asked you and there is a doubt you should train people. You know, there is a power team in Denmark.

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I went to COP in Copenhagen. Yeah, you can arrive, say in 2014 with John Fontaine since then as well. So what you do is you my email is Darwinian [email protected]. You can find it on my

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Youtube as well, if you email me all the contact of the brothers, but there is a power team that's been giving power for years. There's the sisters, our team, there's actually a whole reverse support network they give down on the internet, they give, you know, they do all sorts of things. So they've been since at least 2014 was the name. If you know, ah, you're gonna have to email me I forgotten the name. Helene. I will Minsky's on or something.

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What was your question brokers? Yeah.

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But yeah, just you know, if you if you knew any, you know, that we're just doing fantastic. Habima make sure that you get the Somali community on board from Denmark. That's it. Yeah. Also wanted another question. If it's fine. Yeah. Okay, because that wasn't really a question. So okay, fine. Yeah, that was no question. But another question I've been thinking about was, you know, when you see this, you know, like China,

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Japan, South Korea, Germany, you know, you know, they had their devant through wars, and they have martial there them, you know, big economic growth. And I wanted to ask, then, why do Muslims not, you know, try to replicate their methods? You know, I mean, to be honest with you, this is an age old question now, as

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Muslims have had economic growth, more so than the rest of the world for a very long time.

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I mean, you have to appreciate that after World War One and two, but World War One in particular, the Muslim world went through a very transformative process with the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. After that happened and the colonial really, this really did change the way that the Muslim world would operate. So that's the first thing. The second thing is, you know, this shows and proves the fact that China and Japan are doing so well. That's nothing to do radiology, it's nothing to do with Western ideology, even even India. It's, it's, and also something else to keep in mind, brother, I think it's

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a generalization which the certain right wing Western outlets put out that is all this economically underdeveloped here.

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Anyway, anyway,

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Who has that? That kind of idea ringing in their head, I would ask them to go to Istanbul to go to Izmir to go to Anatolia to go to these places. Look at Turkey, at this modern state, go to Malaysia. Look at look at okay, for example, you're in, you're in Denmark, and Denmark, you've got Sweden, you got no way. Why are they doing so? Well, a lot of it has to do with their natural resources, because they manage their natural resources in a very effective way. Well guess who else manage their resources in a very effective way, many middle eastern states. And what we also find is that they are other countries, in the next 50 years will probably be gone

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next 50, or next 50 years who are going to be very powerful modern Muslim states, such as Nigeria, Nigeria, is actually one of those economic powerhouses, which is, in the next couple of decades, projected to be a a hub of trade of all types of businesses. And you find this in these places. So just one more thing. What's very important important for economic growth is a, a pyramid type of demographic, where the young people vastly outnumber the old people, right? And what we actually find is we have that model in the Muslim world, we don't have it in China, we don't have it in Japan, China released its statistics recently, and they dropped from a few years ago, they had 20

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billion new births to something like eight or 10 million. So it's actually going down. In Japan, there's more adult nappies and children's nappies. And we find here in Europe, the same problem that we actually don't have the pyramid, we have the inverted pyramid, right. And so what we find is in the Muslim world, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, you know, Nigeria, Pakistan, we find that the youth is vastly more than the elderly, and give it basic economics over over a couple of decades, you're going to see vos economic growth, but we should never ever link economic growth, to truth to ideology, because as he just pointed out, you know, we got communism in China, well, you can say its

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capitalistic type of communism, which is leading to his growth in India, they have a totally different metaphysical idea, you know, they believe in all these different, you know, idolatrous things, yet they're still successful. So it's not just the Western world and also, you know, if you pound for pound, if you look at, for example, why do we always look at we link Christianity and or like Western ideology with European countries, or look at Latin America, for example, and Sub Saharan Africa, Latin America is a pound for pound not doing better than the Muslim world, GDP per capita, it's not doing better than Muslim models that compare the Middle East and states with the

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Latin American states, you won't find a huge disparity in GB per capita, in fact, you'll find that some of the Middle Eastern states have far outperforming them GDP per capita. And a lot of the reasons for their lack of success is to do with colonization by America, Latin America. So again, we have to realize the same thing we have same thing with a lot of sub Saharan Africans on Muslim majority states. So as you go along, like Christian majority in sub Saharan African states, they a lot of them have introduced like so called Human Rights type policies and they're well under performing and and you know, something is very interesting. When when the Muslims had their last

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caliphate when we had the Ottoman Empire. Before that the ambassadors and the maids and even other Sokoto empire, all these empires existed, the Muslims never ever turned around and said to the other world, countries, oh, because we're economically rich, or scientifically, therefore it was, therefore we're speaking the truth, because we knew the truth had nothing to do with these things. So it's a very crude argument that's being used by the other side. And history, we have cycles, right? And what we need to do is we need to remember that losses will kill em, that will happen unless these are the days that we alternate between the and I just want to I just want to highlight

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something brother, Khalid and hijab can maybe agree or disagree with this. It's just it's not it's not hockey, it's not fact it's just an anecdotal thing to think about. What we find is that in the Muslim world, the richer segments of society spread the most facade, they spread the most sin, they are usually the most secular, the most religious are actually the people who are poorer. So imagine if a country which has that type of moral outlook is fueled in a way that everyone becomes rich, like a particular European state, what you'll find is the the percentage of people who are into that fifth nine, facade will just increase.

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So maybe it's a predictor is a correlative version two in the past, there is a quarter correlative relationship between those countries with the most war and these kinds of things and religious life clubs. What is the best example is wonderful

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As examples like if you look at how Somalis and Afghanis and Iraqis in particular these three nations, but let's just say Afghanistan, Somalia, in particular, how they answer on like Pew Research forums, on questions related to Islamic law, they're the closest to judicial system like so in many ways, you could say that they have stuck to the religion the most. And that is because sometimes in Bala situations or trial, sometimes it can be the case. And that can cause you to be most introspective. So one thing that could look bad to us in this dunya can be very good for us in the afterlife. And that's another dimension of things you have to look at our Santa crochet in Ohio

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takamasa and OSHA and OSHA hola como lo Alomar you could hate something is good for you and you can hate can love something is bad for you. And Allah knows. And you and you don't know. So for us, it's not a matter of that and in a nutshell, we don't care too much. I mean, there isn't there is an emphasis I'm not saying that we shouldn't we should not be Yanni successful if you like so quote unquote, or performing well and these indicators, but for us it's not it's not it's not the heart it's not like we don't have the American dream in that respect.

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I think that's a great way of ending the stream bro. Have you been here?

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Thank you for you know, take my call and sorry for my English. And yeah, my English was my English is not the best, you know? Where your English is good, man. Don't Don't be listen, I can see this a bit of insecurity of lack of confidence in your behavior. Don't do it Bala. Yo, yo, yo, you're charming man. You're confident man. You have English is your second or third language. You're doing really well. So keep your head up. I'll give you

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my brother Khalid Allah bless you, man. Yeah, this you too

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get this ecosystem going. Let's give them a final message for tomorrow for you should guess.

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Alhamdulillah by the permission of Allah and I saw the footage I actually saw the because obviously I end a review and this and that.

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What we have is we have somebody who is there to represent the worldview of the right wing while they happen to be an African. That's what we have with iron McGann. And what we also have is somebody that wants Muslims to be discriminated against Muslims to feel demoralized Muslims to be demonized Muslims to be ostracized Muslims to be cast aside as a supposedly fifth column. However, what we're going to do tomorrow in the ecosystem, go on to Makayla Peterson's page, look at the discussion between Muhammad hijab and iron, Ali Hirsi and see what actually happens, see how she is exposed and these loaded questions that you know she's trying to throw out. And she's trying to push

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out these particular narratives, her pathetic way of putting together arguments using statistics, and even her track record of lying and being an apple polisher for the right wing. All of these things will be thoroughly exposed in a way that's not been done before because in many ways, Hitchens lost his debate to William Lane, Craig, Richard Dawkins lost his debate to John Lennox, we have, you know, Sam Harris, again, humiliated by William Lane, Craig. And, you know, I'll do other times they've done blunders. And you know, the books have been addressed by Michael Russo and others, and you find all of these types of things. But in a way, this woman who was part of this new

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atheist, imperialist, Neo colonial project has been left unscathed. Until now.

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That's a good way of describing Absolutely. And we're not just in a position where the Muslims can have representation. We're in a position where Muslims can all come together in the ecosystem, and do some real social media damage. And this might not come again. I'm telling you this, these kinds of opportunities, they do come once in a blue moon. It's not every time that we're going to speak to Jordan Peterson. It's not ever time that we're going to speak to these kinds of women, or men, even whoever may be the attack the religion of Islam, we need to strike the iron when it's hot alone. And if we don't, we will regret it. And if we do, then this could be something that makes our life

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easier in the West, or in the rest of the world. Yeah, and for not just ourselves, but for our children and our children's children. So let's make the most out of this was Salam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh