Mohammed Hijab – Muslims Reacting to Jordan Peterson on Islam (Ft Dilly Hussain)

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me and Dylan Hossein are going to be looking at some of the comments that Jordan Peterson has made
about Islam and responding. But before we do so, obviously, we know that he's in rehab. So what do
we want to say we wish him all the best, and you know, good recovery and a whole wave of
difficulties. Mental physical is going through that it was easy. And you know that he goes back to
his family and loved ones in a good state. Absolutely. Let's get straight into this. The first video
		

			I want to react to is basically like a minute long video.
		

			Let's watch the key part. And
		

			part of the reason that Islam has its backup with regards to the west to such a degree. I mean,
there's many reasons and not all of them are valid, that's for sure. But one of the reasons is that,
you know, they being still grounded in a in a in a dream, let's say, they can see that the rootless
questioning mind of the West poses a tremendous danger to the integrity of their culture. Now, and
it does I mean, Westerners us, we undermine ourselves all the time with our searching intellect. And
I'm not complaining about that, you know, I mean, it, there isn't anything easy that can be done
about it. But but it's still, it's still sort of fruitful catastrophe. Let's be very clear as well,
		

			first and foremost, the only thing that Muslims are scared of, as you mentioned, rightly so I'm
taking your line from you, is when the next bomb is dropping above the skies and the next drone
attack. That's the only thing that Muslims generally are scared off, I'm happy that you use the word
Muslims, because like in the readings, usually when Islam is spoken of is actually usually spoken of
either in a religious sense, or civilizational or civilizational. sense. But now we don't have an
Islamic civilization, that the last Caliphate was, you know, it was 1924. Yeah. So so we don't have
Muslims of Islam to be spoken of in that way. We just have 1.8 billion Muslims, which I find
		

			difficult to generalize sentences, much less a minute, one minute. Absolutely. I mean, look, there's
57 Muslim majority nation states, he's not even referring to the OSC or the Arab League or anything
like this. But I think the point he's trying to get out, which is unequivocally incorrect is that
Islam or less to say Muslims are scared of alternative thinking of challenging their views,
challenging their epistemology in the way Judeo Christianity has done, right. But we can quickly nip
that in the bud. Every worldview, every civilization, if he was referred to something a
civilizational point of view, which wouldn't be factored in this present moment in time, over the
		

			last 89 years, is that every worldview has its mechanisms in place to not just preserve its belief
system of values, but to actually advance it. So this is not something that's unique to Islam is to
all civilization, all worldviews? Yeah, yeah. But since we don't have an Islamic civilization, at
the moment, we can only assume he's referring to 1.8 billion Muslims. Another thing they're scared
of, as we've already mentioned, is when their countries are going to be invaded, when their
resources will be looted. And when the next bombs are going to come under the name of democracy.
That's the only really thing that they actually scheduled. I think that is pretty much sufficient.
		

			And I think if we wanted to add one last point, it would be that from a historical perspective, I
mean, we do know that the Advancement of Science in fact, the scientific method itself, has been
through Muslim scientists like him, hate them, etc. Obviously, the polymaths that existed, and I've
actually got a I've got a video on the top 10 polygraphs in Muslim world. So you can look at some of
those names. They all existed in Islamic civilization. And by the way, not all of them were Muslims.
Like some of the greatest Jewish thinkers like Maimonides, for example, existed under Muslim rule.
Yeah, we have to look at is the kind of event that happened in Spain for I don't know, 600 years or
		

			whatever it was. And so you got to look at all these aspects. If we're looking if we're talking in a
historical way, then once again, that the the statement is so hastily generalized, that it's
actually beggars belief that someone of such high intellectual standing would make such a
generalized also, we have also we have, I mean, if we were to go by what Western thinkers and rulers
and governments and establishment states have said, especially in the wake of 911, there is been a
consistent theme that they are off to the after. And by the way, they talk about Islamist
extremists, or whatever they want to say they want to change our way of life, our way of life, our
		

			freedoms, our democracy. So if there if there's anything that can be posited is that the West is
good. Because because Islam holistically provides an alternative to mankind. So really, it's
interesting because we're scared but we're meant to be the one that exactly exactly who is this? Oh,
yeah, we are we are we scared? Are we a victim.
		

			Are we the
		

			only the terrorist? Yes, because it seems like you want to have your cake and eat it both. But we'll
come to that when we speak about the next video.
		

			Let's, let's see another thing, which I think is probably the most comprehensive clip that he has on
the internet about Islam, where he speaks about someone asks very long question in one of his
lectures, and he asked him about the different similarities and differences between Islam and
Christianity and Judaism. And let's take a look at a his answer. Let's take a look at what he says.
And so one is what I see as the failure to separate church from state. And that's a problem.
		

			Now, it may not be a problem as such, but it's certainly a problem in relationship to the relation
between Islam and the West because we separate church from state. So the first thing he spoke about
was basically secularism. Yeah. So he's saying that the problem with Islam is that it's in
capability of being secular, in the same way as Christianity is, for obvious reasons. Obviously,
there's a verse in the Bible about Caesar and of course, and Jesus, and so I've got to render to
Caesar what belongs to God. So
		

			what do you make, bro as a as a student of politics, right? We've always taught at university on a
BA level, that the church generally was an oppressive structure in Europe, right? And includes
obviously the eastern was anti Empire as well, right? Because they prevented the advancement of
human intellect on so many levels. The very fact that the Bible was not accessible from a from a
linguistic point of view, to the masses, the very fact that women were kind of discouraged from
accessing the Bible. So it makes absolute sense that Christianity as an establishment as a polity,
wherever you look at it from the Vatican point of view, or from the eastern point of view, that was
		

			already seen as an oppressive mode of system which prevented human advancement. Even that requires
some discussion exactly, of course. However, that is not the experience that Muslims had of Islam.
In fact, you'll actually find that under various Islamic caliphate, Amyris alternates, and so forth,
that human advancement in the fields of maths and science was something that was encouraged and
actually linked to the polity, the state, the civilization and the religion itself. So this is a
huge, uncommon and repetitive mistake that many Western thinkers, especially liberals make when they
try to superimpose the European Christian experience to the Muslim world. And it's actually quite
		

			clear that when Muslims moved away from Islam from a holistic civilizational point of view, that is
when our problems occurred. For me, I see I see another problem with this whole thing as well, which
is that, really, how do you prove secularism is true? Absolutely. I mean, on an epistemological
perspective, you're starting with the starting point, which is that secularism is true. Islam is
not. It's not compatible with it. Therefore, Islam is not is not or is not true, or it's not good,
or it's not what we want it to be. But the point is, why don't you prove your secularism to us on an
epistemological perspective? Is it objectively true? Absolutely. Is it something which can be
		

			measurably seen to be true? I don't think it is. And this is where you start with, it's like me
saying, well look at the Christian experience, or whatever experience is not in line with Islam.
This is not really a fair starting point. A first time point is to actually have epistemology argued
in the first place from first principles for either Islam and or secularism tested, scrutinized. And
let's have that discussion. But you're starting off with that you represent the default, right? You
don't we remember that the the separation of church and state is distinctly European. And it's a new
phenomenon, as is the nation state, as Professor Noam Chomsky in a recent podcast I did with him
		

			about the nation state, and the caliphate. Even you know, he's a very one of the most celebrated
thinkers of our century, right. And even he said, that look, the nation state is very new and and
all these other isms and schisms were born out of Europe's struggle with Christianity. And it's not
necessarily applicable to, let's say, the Islamic civilization. But he made the same. He made a
similar assumption as Peterson when he said that centralized authority in the form of the caliphate
is something that's discouraging, he doesn't support but let me tell you something is interesting
because I remember one quote, maybe someone will find it for me. But they said in this quote that
		

			you tell me what religion is. And I'll tell you what secularism is Yeah, the assumption also is
always that liberalism and democracy and Marxism communism, all those ideologies, political
ideologies are not religious, but that of course, depends upon the sociological definition of
religion that you can employ. Absolutely. There are many sociological definitions employed, which
would allow these ideologies to actually be defined as diligence, and if they are of life as early
as they are, then secularism, for all intents and purposes in the West doesn't actually exist
anyway. Yeah. It's really just if only one
		

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			you know, connect religion with ritualistic practices in the supernatural. Yeah, it would have to be
that definition of religion. Yeah. Which would mean that secularism is is only applicable for one
group of people, if I can just quickly just also just, you know, wrap up this whole kind of church
and state kind of finger. Look, there's there's a huge conversation that's taken place in the last
20 years amongst, you know, thinkers and think tanks and anti governments, that when will the Muslim
majority world have an enlightenment? Yeah, the truth be told that there won't be an enlightenment
in which you envision where they want an unequivocal and quite an apparent separation of religion
		

			and state, well, that's already in place in the Muslim majority world, majority of the Muslim
majority nation states are secular in their constitution with exception to a handful. And even they
have many secular elements. The point I want to make is the reason why there was the the
Enlightenment, the post enlightenment, all those other, you know, historical moments and events in
European history. It was born out of the People's struggle with the Christian power structures that
didn't take place in the Muslim world, because there wasn't an intellectual opposition between the
state or civilization, and the masses and the religion itself. Right. So let's look at the second
		

			part of this particular video. Problem number two for me, and again, this may be a consequence of my
ignorance, which I'm trying to rectify. Muhammad was a warlord.
		

			And I don't know what to do about that fact. So hey, when he's referring to the Prophet, Mohammed
Salah salam, he refers to him as a warlord. Yeah. Now what I find really strange about this is he's
not using neutral language, not as an intellectual, if you want to subscribe to historical
character, whoever it may be, you should have the integrity to use neutral language, a warlord is
not neutral language, you could you could very much have said, militarily successful. Yes. And it
would have had exactly the same effect. But of course, attaching the word successful or using it as
an adjective for the Prophet Mohammed would defy, you know, quite frankly, what seems to be your
		

			agenda. Yeah, even though, throughout this clip, he keeps saying that he's ignorant of Islam to
protect his honor and his integrity. Hopefully, I'll get an opportunity to talk to them. Because I
would like to know why I would like to know if what I think is wrong.
		

			Because if it's wrong, it's important that I know it's wrong. Now, what I don't know about Islam
would feel very many volumes, many of which I have sitting on my shelves at home right now, because
I want to do the reading, you know, as I progress through this, but
		

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			whatever it is, is trying to protect. But the truth of the matter is, you're making so many
assertions, if you're ignorant, you should really not say anything at all about this situation. But
you have said that it provides us alone as a warlord. The problem with this, a secondary problem
that I see with it, is that he was just praising quite frankly, and he does in other places, Western
values. One of the hallmarks of Western civilization is liberalism. And not just political
liberalism or social liberalism, but also economic liberalism, which is also known as capitalism,
free market economics. But at the heart of free market economics, and this is all supply side
		

			economics is competition is competition, right, and meritocracy. And if that is the case, those who
are most expansive, those who are most successful militarily, financially, and so are the most
praised are the most pray Exactly. So on your worldview, shouldn't the Prophet Muhammad if he is a
warlord, according to your understanding of it be praised for being that, in fact, Jesus on the
conception of Christianity would be a failure on the capitalistic or liberal model? Because Jesus
was, according to the obviously, we don't believe in this as Muslims. We don't believe in this at
all. But according to the Christian model, was killed, he was crucified and so on. He was beaten his
		

			lashes, humiliated, and all of these things. Now, wouldn't this fit a model of
		

			competitive failure? he actually did not triumph over his opposition. I mean, it put it in modern
parlance, it's like an MMA fight taking place and the loser being praised. Absolutely. This wouldn't
take place. I'm sorry. But what seems to be happening is you're actually using aesthetic value
judgments. Putting aside those values, which you claim in other places are good values.
		

			And so now I read infidel and I really liked that book, like I my sense was that she she was a
heroin.
		

			There's another part of this clip where he talks and praises Ayaan Hirsi
		

			saying that she's come out, you know, certain family, you know, to use the word totalitarian, even
though he hasn't heard the side of her mother or father. Yeah. And once again, he's privileging her
voice over their voices, which is problematic, quite frankly, because she came out of a,
		

			like a totalitarian, let's say family structure in a relatively totality.
		

			Aryan society. Yeah. So what do you think? So look, I mean, he wasn't exactly very specific with
regards to what he's referring to as totalitarian or how do you how do you been referring to let's
say Somalia as a society or a country, then we can, you know, analyze this and I, you know,
scrutinize his his assessment of this, but he mentioned hierarchy, I mentioned structures. Now, the
irony here is that Jordan Peterson previously in various interviews, he's actually praised certain
elements of certain structures, hierarchy hierarchies, especially those that have a heavy male
presence hence why he one of his many criticisms from the feminists is that this man is a
		

			perpetuator of patriarchal systems. So here we find yet again another inconsistent what appears to
be an inconsistency, where he has on record praised certain structures, which has been interpreted
as totalitarian by, let's say, feminists and others, but here he has, he has a problem, but he's
praising Ayaan Hirsi for moving away from a totalitarian structure and hierarchy. Yeah, I think
what's happening with Jordan Peterson, I think a lot of people realize is that if he actually
assesses his own views and compares them with Islam, he would see that much of his views are very
similar to the Islamic, very compatible American pattern. But I think that there may be an agenda.
		

			You know, someone could say that they he's being influenced by some of his friends. And compared to
Sam Harris, maajid Nawaz Douglas Murray and his he has been around the influence. And so some of the
and it's actually, quite frankly, is making him not see the full the full picture. But Jordan
Peterson to be fair to him right is not always on nuanced in analysis. Like for example, when he was
asked one time about the age of Ayesha
		

			young what his marriage to the age of Arusha was union with a young age, he actually answered in a
very nuanced way, let's take a look at what he actually said in a child bride as well, I believe,
yeah, well, that that one is somewhat less problematic to me. Because I think that you can write
that off to the cultural mores of the time. So as you can see here, he's very nuanced. He doesn't
see this as completely. Like he even says, it's not that problematic for me, which, I mean, to be
honest, this is the main argument against Islam for many of the islamophobes. Yeah, so I do think
there's a lot to be said here. But of course, me and you are both very happy to host this man. Yeah.
		

			When he gets better, or his daughter, I think she has a podcast as well, we can we can share our
Muslim perspective. And I believe that more people need to hear this Muslim perspective. We'll put
our emails in the description. Just put your title as your name. And we'll be happy, either of us to
have you on our podcast. Is there anything else you want to say? No, I mean, you can come up here in
the UK with commerce you have in Canada, or we can do on zoo. Yeah, wherever it's convenient for
you. Mr. Peterson. And Mr. Dr. Pearson, you should say Mr. will suffice.
		

			You just stripped all the sides of this. That's fine. He's nowhere at the moment.
		

			So on that note,
		

			on that note, I'll say you know, hopefully get better. And hopefully as you get a chance to you can
be can researchers lambda with more you want to, you know, the best cure for ignorance is a
question. But the best question is that which is asked to the right people, and I hope you ask the
Muslim community about Islam, not those individuals that you're hanging around with Salaam Alaikum
warahmatullahi wabarakatuh