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doing and welcome to another episode of the
MH podcast with one very special guest who
whenever comes on this podcast everyone becomes very
interested and you're using so many, I mean
you're presenting so many facts, so much information
but nevertheless people are not growing tired of
it or bored of it so it's very
interesting to have you here again.
Thank you.
But when we were talking about, before we
kind of decided to do a podcast again
and we were talking about the stuff that
you've got, the information that you've got, you
really said some shocking and interesting things especially
about my last encounter with Morgan that for
me went under the radar so maybe we
should start there.
Some of the things that he said and
what did you notice?
So I think to understand the wider operation,
it is important for us to look at
Rupert Murdoch and his empire.
So for instance your co-guest on the
previous episode was Alan Dershowitz.
Now Alan Dershowitz recently published an article Dershowitz,
we had a good time with him.
Absolutely, titled How Innocent Are Civilians in Gaza?
Now this article was carried in the New
York Post newspaper which is also owned by
Rupert Murdoch.
Rupert Murdoch owns Talk TV, he owns The
Sun, he owns Sky News which has actually
fired a reporter for her questioning of the
Israeli ambassador in a particular fashion that the
Israeli ambassador took issue with during this period.
But Murdoch also has a very interesting history
with Israeli intelligence that I think is worthy
of note.
So Murdoch owns something called the NDS Group.
The NDS Group was a tech organization that
was accused of hacking the competition of Rupert
Murdoch's media companies and placing at one point
their services online for free.
This is in a period of time around
the 2000s when LimeWire and stuff like that
was quite popular.
But what Murdoch is not really held accountable
for is the fact that this organization, the
NDS Group, was staffed by former Israeli intelligence
figures, the former deputy director of Israel's internal
intelligence agency.
But where it gets really interesting is that
the same time that Murdoch was cultivating this
organization, the NDS Group, his newspaper, the Sunday
Times, was confided in by Mordecai Venunu.
Now, Mordecai Venunu was an Israeli individual that
worked on Israel's nuclear project.
He sounds more like an Indian, really.
I mean, he's quite a fascinating figure.
It could be my pronunciation.
If I was to pronounce it correctly, it
may sound more Hebrew.
But he was somebody that came to the
Sunday Times and said, look, I want to
reveal the secrets of Israel's nuclear plan.
Yeah, I want to reveal the secrets.
Now, Andrew Neil at the time, who you
obviously will have seen on the popular BBC
show, he has a history of really hammering
his guests, and particularly Muslim guests.
He was great against Ben Shapiro.
I wish he was like that with more
prominent Zionists.
After that particular interview, even Ben Shapiro admitted
defeat.
Oh, absolutely.
He defeated him, a resounding defeat, a drumming
even.
But Andrew Neil at that time was the
editor of the Sunday Times.
Now, Mordecai Venunu, while under the care of
the Sunday Times, which was...
I don't know why they came up with
that.
I mean, it would be amazing to interview
Mordecai Venunu, but he's actually, off the back
of what happened during that period, he cannot
communicate with foreigners.
He's legally banned from communicating with foreigners.
So what happened was, he reveals Israel's project
Dimona and the...
Did he reveal it publicly?
Yeah, it was then published in the Sunday
Times.
However, during the time he was under the
protection of Murdoch's company, Mossad kidnapped him from
Europe and took him to occupied Palestine, where
he has been imprisoned for tens of years.
He's been released now.
This is very serious.
How come we don't see this on the
news?
Was it on the news?
Absolutely.
I mean, it was covered, but it's very
much kind of petered out, I would say,
the attention to the story, unfortunately.
He does have a Twitter, but again, he
is officially banned from communicating with foreign citizens.
And my question on this subject is, is
it conceivable that Rupert Murdoch, simultaneous to owning
the company that was being confided in about
Israel's secret nuclear program, had a company that
was literally...
Its whole fertilization took place at the Chaim
Weizmann Institute of Technology.
This was an organization that was an Israeli
company that was, again, staffed purely by Israeli
military and intelligence personnel.
He was clearly not an objective place or
a neutral place, shall we say, for Vanunu
to entrust his safety with.
But then there was another thing that Piers
Morgan said, which I think is worth further
inquiry.
Now, there was a point when you were
pressing him on the issue of the picture
with Ghislaine Maxwell.
Now, he had a sentence which he did
not complete, which I think it would be
interesting to find from the episode and possibly
play, when he mentions her father and implies
that there was a personal relationship between him
and Ghislaine Maxwell's father.
Now, Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, was a
British politician, was the owner of the Daily
Mirror prior to Piers Morgan becoming the editor.
However, he was also an Israeli intelligence asset.
Now, it has been reported that Maxwell even
used funds from the Daily Mirror to fund
Israeli intelligence operations in Europe.
So, if he's pulling back from stating to
you that he had a personal...
Do you remember what he said?
I think he was referencing the reason for
him being at the party and meeting Ghislaine.
And so, he was explaining it.
I mean, we'd have to get the clip
and play it back.
And I think he was mentioning her father
and he stopped himself in his tracks.
Possibly because what's coming under more attention now
is the relationships of media figures with Israeli
intelligence people.
And it does, you know, lead on to
this issue of the Netanyahu funders letter.
Because when I went on the show, I
mentioned this letter and showed it and that
it had Rupert Murdoch's name on it.
And it reveals, you know, what I would
say is a kind of a network of
prominent individuals who perceive themselves as having shared
interest with inserting Netanyahu into power.
And you have to remember that this note
was compiled.
Where did this exactly come from?
So, this note, which is the one that
was held up by myself on the Piers
Morgan show.
We have a version which has clearer writing,
which hopefully in editing we'll be able to
show on the screen.
Now, this was leaked to the Israeli media
from Netanyahu's political office in his election campaign
in the late 2000s.
So, this is prior to him becoming prime
minister.
These names of individuals which he considered to
be funders of his campaign.
And so on this list.
So, there's some names that are circled and
stuff like that.
Why is that?
It's unclear.
Netanyahu's political office engaged in crisis management on
this subject and tried to obscure some of
the information.
Some names are in print and some names
are written by hand.
Exactly.
And this handwriting is Netanyahu's handwriting.
But I think it's necessary for us to
go through some of these names because they
reveal...
Can I just say that if they've written
these, like if this is in print and
this is by handwriting, that this is like
the main list, if you like, and this
is like the added ones that maybe the
brainstorming session that they had, that they put
on there.
Certainly, certainly.
And they put Rupert Murdoch in the main
list.
In the printed one, right?
Yeah, printed.
And so it certainly implies that he would
have...
And also Donald Trump is there.
Oh.
Leslie Wexner is there who relates to the
Epstein case strongly.
Is Biden there?
No.
Really?
But Haim Saban is there who is somebody
that is currently credited as writing Joe Biden's
script policy-wise on Israel.
But we can go into some of these
names.
But as I said, you know, Rupert Murdoch
is somebody that has used his position within
the media to back Israel strongly.
We found documents showing that his charitable arm
has funded something called the Jerusalem Foundation.
You're on peers talking about that, right?
Absolutely.
Would you condemn Rupert Murdoch?
It's become a trend now, actually.
Well, I mean, it should do, because I
think he's an interesting psychological warrior in that
he is able to enjoy a kind of
performed neutrality in which it's much like the
BBC says news without bias, not as a
legitimate and accurate description, but as a perception
it wants you to have of it.
And Morgan is this like, he'll have like
three or four things which you'll condemn or
which you'll be openly against the settlements or
whatever.
But he's doing that to feign this neutrality,
isn't it?
Absolutely.
And then he strikes very cleanly on people
that he's identified.
And he said this, identified as extremists.
And I also think there's an aspect of
the policy which is to keep away Palestinians
who are not part of the normalization project.
So he will have a representative of the
Palestinian Authority, for example, which is the institutionalization
of normalization within Palestine.
And he'll get non-Palestinian Arabs on the
show or others from the West.
But he will not get Palestinians that are
directly involved in what's happening in Gaza, for
example.
How would he be able to do that?
There's plenty of people.
Ahmed Al Nahouk, for example, is a capable,
very, very good speaker, done many media appearances,
lost 21 members of his family.
I've never seen Piers Morgan, for example, go
to interview him.
Because it's also part of, I would argue,
the criminalization of the community in this country.
He's trying to push us into a place
where pronouncements are made, which can then be
legally actionable.
So, you know, without a legal representative with
you, you are dealing with somebody who, you
know, and in the case, of course, of
Abdel...
My case, Dershowitz was threatening me himself.
Was threatening legal action, yes, yes.
Religious man he was.
Yes, and he is, and he is.
I mean, the thing with Alan Dershowitz, which
I think is important to take into account...
Is he on the list?
He's not, he's not.
But Leslie Wexner, who is close to him,
is on the list.
But Dershowitz is somebody who has stated that
he's worked for Israel for decades.
He's somebody that...
He says that he's the, like, attorney of
Israel.
What does he mean by that?
Well, there was one point when he was
due to be a defense lawyer for Israel.
In the ICJ?
In the ICJ, and then they pulled back
from it when they realized, I think, that
he was a bit of a liability in
terms of PR.
But his role has been very interesting because
when Qatar was blockaded by the Saudis and
other Gulf states, he traveled to Qatar to
threaten the Qataris, particularly on one issue.
So Al Jazeera had an amazing documentary called
The Lobby, where they went undercover in the
Israel lobby in this country and revealed many
different schemes to even bring down Alan Duncan,
who was a conservative minister at the time,
just because he was slightly supportive of the
idea of Palestinian statehood.
They uncovered, really, the whole Corbyn operation was
exposed in terms of the operation against Corbyn
was exposed expertly by The Lobby documentary.
But then they had a U.S. episode.
Now, the reason that the U.S. episode
never aired on Al Jazeera, it was, again,
an infiltration of the Israel lobby in the
United States, it never aired on Al Jazeera,
it was leaked to Electronic Intifada, was because,
well, part of the reasoning was Alan Dershowitz
went to Qatar and threatened that the United
States would remove their bases from Qatar and
it would open the way for Saudi invasion.
No way!
Yeah, this is documented fact.
This is, like, on that level, he's got
that kind of leverage?
Yes.
He went to Qatar and threatened them?
Representing the Israeli government, yes.
Really?
Yeah.
So, this is all relevant, I would say,
to his media work also.
Yeah.
But in terms of, say, for example, you've
got Leslie Wexner here.
Yeah.
Now, Leslie Wexner Who is she?
It's an individual, it's a man who, very
highly connected at Harvard University, key funder there.
One of those unisex names.
Yeah.
But he, for example, and this is really
interesting, had a foundation which was listed as
one of the Israeli Prime Minister's Office's projects.
Okay.
So, if he has a history of funding
Netanyahu and then you have a situation where
he's able to use his influence.
But, you know, his involvement, Leslie Wexner specifically,
his involvement with not only Epstein but also
individuals involved in sexual blackmail goes back a
long, long way.
So, Maya Lansky is believed to have been...
What do you mean by sexual blackmail?
Well, this was the Epstein project.
It was compromise.
It was building compromise on targets, people identified
often as allies.
But the practice we know of it being
carried out by intelligence agencies goes back to
the 30s, 40s when Maya Lansky, who's somebody
associated with Leslie Wexner, carried it out for
the OSS.
Now, the OSS, Office for Strategic Services, is
a precursor of the CIA.
It later became the CIA post-Second World
War.
And Wexner takes Epstein under his wing and
Epstein's position at Harvard.
You know, Epstein also worked for Adnan Khashoggi,
not Jamal Khashoggi, Adnan who was involved in
arms dealing, who had extensive work with Israeli
intelligence agencies.
But the decisive point when we look at
Epstein is the fact when he got the
sweetheart deal that Dershowitz helped obtain for him,
which was not going to jail in any
serious way, Alex Acosta, who was the US...
Jamalous as well.
No, no, Alex Acosta was a US State
Attorney at the time.
He said, I was told not to touch
Epstein because he's intelligence.
He didn't specify which intelligence agency he worked
for.
But then Stephen Hoffenberg, who was very close
to Epstein and who eventually died in his
home in Derby in the United States, wasn't
discovered for seven days.
Stephen Hoffenberg claimed that Epstein would boast about
building compromise through this use of sexual blackmail
on individuals like Prince Andrew for Israeli intelligence
services.
So this is somebody that would have known.
This is a very manipulative tactic.
Absolutely.
But it's incredible how many of these guys
have leveraged on each other at this level.
Absolutely.
And then what you have to think about
is the period when Epstein was engaging and
building compromise, potentially, on US President Bill Clinton
is the same time that several...
Allegedly.
Yeah.
Potentially building compromise.
But there's several really interesting things that Clinton
did during that period which I think need
to be revisited of this information.
So, Jonathan Pollard was a US Naval Intelligence
Officer.
Now, his activity within the US security state
has become an issue of legendary intrigue.
He spied for the Israeli government and was
caught by the US and imprisoned.
Jonathan Pollard was.
Some of the things that he did, he
obtained millions of classified documents from the US
military.
He also obtained information which helped with Israel's
secret nuclear plan.
But he also...
This is the same time that the PROMIS
software was downloaded onto the US classified databases
which gave Israel a backdoor to US classified
information.
Now, the interesting thing here is that Netanyahu
approaches Bill Clinton to ask him to pardon
Jonathan Pollard.
But when he approaches him, it's been reported
that he says we have evidence of your
affair with Monica Lewinsky.
Who says it?
Netanyahu says to Bill Clinton we have evidence
of your affair with Monica Lewinsky through the
hacking of your phone.
However, however, however...
Oh my God.
The interesting question is was Epstein's engagement of
Clinton also a factor in Netanyahu's approach?
So Clinton then goes to Robert Gates, Rumsfeld
and he says to them I'm newly convinced
by Netanyahu's argument that we should release Jonathan
Pollard.
Wow.
At which point Rumsfeld, Robert Gates Oh my
God.
and possibly Dick Cheney if my memory is
serving me well, say they will resign.
Really?
If you release Jonathan Pollard who's been imprisoned
for spying on our most sensitive information No
way.
involvement in the Promise scandal Where did you
find this information?
Where can we find this?
If someone says what are the sources for
this information?
I mean this is widely covered.
It's covered in the Israeli media and actually
where we get into the Murdoch question with
the very newspaper which leaked this letter Yeah,
yeah, yeah.
Netanyahu then asked Murdoch's sons to buy the
newspaper.
Really?
Yeah, so the relationship is that close between
Murdoch and Netanyahu.
But in terms of the Clinton story there's
more to it because they did not obtain
the pardoning of Jonathan Pollard.
However, you have Mark Rich and Pincus Green.
What happened to Jonathan Pollard?
He was later released under Obama and went
to occupied Palestine and kissed the tarmac when
he exited the plane.
Wow, so how long did he spend in
prison?
Over 20 years.
It was a serious situation and Jonathan Pollard
is today making pronouncements on the internet about
what should be done with the Palestinians and
you know he's been taken in but there
were individuals involved in the Promise scandal which
Ghislaine Maxwell's father was largely involved with.
So they're all into the same things?
This is the axis of insistence and the
axis of insistence is the maximalist fantastical Zionist
aims for the region.
It is imperial Israel.
It is air supremacy.
It is control of curriculums.
It is cultural change and so that's where
we have a transnational group of individuals involved
in it but now states have been commandeered
to these objectives because I don't think it
can necessarily still be argued that this is
a situation of Israel being a bulwark of
British and US imperialism.
You have British government funding to Israel lobby
groups and groups which are seeking to obtain
public contracts in this country for Israeli tech
companies funded by the British government.
So how is it that Israel is this
instrument of the United States and Britain?
This is an analysis which I think if
you are looking at...
So you think it's the other way around?
Do you think that it's Israel that's manipulating
these great powers?
I think it's a tug of war.
I don't think it's...
I think it's now 70-30 where Israel
has such an integrated relationship with the security
services and the militaries of these countries that
it is seen as yes it's the eyes
on the ground yes it's the boots on
the ground but it's seen as the decision
maker in what's happening here because the British
are not sending the R1 shadow plane over
the top of Gaza likely to help with
target acquisition because it aids British imperialism.
I don't see that as ringing true.
I believe they are sending it as part
of a secret military agreement with the Israelis
that has certain certain requirements when any of
the states enter war.
So if Britain enters war Israel will have
to provide some form of service.
When Israel has entered war Britain is providing
some form of service.
It has a secret spy team in Israel
which is assisting with the campaign.
It's issued a denotice on the SAS activities
early on in the war.
Why would it...
And so a denotice is where the government
contacts journalists and says do not publish information
about this please it's damaging to national security.
They issued that on SAS operations in Gaza.
Why would they do that?
If there was no SAS operations in Gaza
if you did not have British secret forces
special forces active in Gaza they would not
issue a denotice at all.
And we of course have the reports from
Gaza now that the US special forces and
even Biden confirmed it after the assassination of
Yassin Nour which we can touch on Biden
seeking to take credit to some extent says
US special forces have been involved from the
very beginning which we said early on.
We said the US Delta Force is there.
We've got the pictures.
This particular the Epstein angle and the way
in which it's interesting on the decisions of
Bill Clinton.
So one other aspect of Clinton's activity during
that time which I believe may have had
the influence of Epstein was the case of
Pincus Green and Mark Rich.
Now these are individuals who fit the description
of Sayanim.
Sayanim are in Hebrew it's a term used
to describe Mossad agents that act within the
business capacity.
So they are called upon to provide specific
services for Israeli intelligence.
So Mark Rich for example was involved in
a logistics company in the Middle East.
So it was a route through which Israel
at that time was able to gain access
to what was happening in countries like Iraq
where they didn't have access through traditional means.
And so Pincus Green and Mark Rich my
understanding is that they were wanted by the
FBI for tax evasion.
Now they fled the United States.
Who are they again?
They are two Israeli agents.
Basically.
And they fled the United States.
They lived in the United States?
And they fled yeah and they were wanted
for tax evasion.
Now Ehud Barak who again is a very
very key collaborator.
The rule is that if you go to
Israel they will protect you from all that.
Well this is what happened.
So Ehud Barak was at that time the
prime minister.
And he was very close to Epstein.
Very very close.
Business partners.
He's coming out speaking about this.
He was on Piers Morgan's show.
He had a piece with Piers Morgan as
well.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
There's a network here.
There's a nexus here of individuals.
But Ehud Barak obviously is from the more
Ben-Gurion side of the Zionist movement.
And I think we have unfortunately sometimes an
understanding of the Zionist movement that poses Ben
-Gurion and Jabotinsky Ehud Barak and Netanyahu as
diametrically opposed to each other.
I don't think it's that they're diametrically opposed.
The argument being that Ben-Gurion supported British
rule in Palestine and Jabotinsky fought British rule.
That Ehud Barak supports supposedly a two-state
solution but Benjamin Netanyahu doesn't.
I don't think it's that they're diametrically opposed
in objectives as such.
I think they are more there is a
divergence on the way that you manage the
PR of the situation.
What about strategy?
Because he was saying Ehud Barak was saying
on the Morgan show that there's got to
be an endgame and if there's no endgame
then this is foolishness etc.
He was slightly critical.
Absolutely.
And I mean they are political opponents.
So even in the case of Ben-Gurion
and Jabotinsky they'd call each other Nazis and
Hitler and again you'll hear that kind of
discourse when it comes to Ehud Barak and
Netanyahu.
So they are political opponents and the endgame
is an interesting question here which I think
we need to get into when we look
at the axis of assistance and the axis
of resistance.
What about the axis of insistence?
So the axis of insistence is these individuals
who are working to commandeer the states and
the states that are working for the expansion
of Zionism.
That's what this is.
What's happening now is about the expansion of
Zionism in the region.
But just to get to this case of
Mark Rich and Pincus Green Clinton pardoned them
and he pardoned them following the intervention of
Ehud Barak and the head of Israel's external
intelligence agency Mossad.
Now Why?
It's my belief that the engagement by Epstein
would have played a role.
Really?
Yeah.
So what we're talking about is the president
of the most powerful state in the world
being blackmailed by Israel into taking particular decisions
at particular times.
Again it's a tug of war so there
were some things that Israel was able to
obtain and there were some things that Israel
wasn't able to obtain.
The thing that Israel wasn't able to obtain
was the release of Jonathan Pollard which was
a big big deal.
Again the list we could go on there's
really important people here that I do think
there's several funders of Michael Gove here there's
Zach Gertler Michael Gove?
Yeah.
All Michael Gove here in the UK?
Is he an important figure?
Why is he even on the list?
Well he's not on the list but the
people that funded him are.
So Manny Weiss and Zach Gertler have both
pumped money into Michael Gove's operations.
Ronald Perelman is one of the early investors
in Marvel Comics of course Marvel would launder
pro-Israel propaganda in a lot of its
comics Really?
Can you give us an example of that?
So they have the former IDF soldier they
depicted they also were planning a film a
Marvel film which seems to have fallen by
the wayside which was of an Israeli soldier
a woman So Marvel have interesting connections with
that but then you have the example here
of Eyal Offa who is again listed here
as a potential funder of Benjamin Netanyahu So
Eyal Offa is from the Offa family which
is one of if not the richest families
in Israel Now this family was found by
the Times newspaper in 2011 to be using
its shipping company Zodiac Maritime to ferry elite
agents for Israel across the region to carry
out assassinations So for example Yasser Arafat head
of intelligence Abu Jihad when he was killed
in Tunis it was Zodiac Maritime who moved
the Israeli agents to Tunisia to carry out
the operation You have Al-Mabhooh the Hamas
head of military procurement who was killed in
Dubai in 2010 by Israeli agents who at
that time used fake British passports they were
transported by Zodiac Maritime So Zodiac Maritime has
an interesting role in this whole war because
when the Yemeni owned forces so they're owned
by Eyal Offa What are they?
What's Zodiac Maritime?
Zodiac Maritime is a shipping company It's a
shipping company which has been used as a
front This is the very Where is that
company based?
British Is it British?
Yeah Company's house?
Yes No way Really?
Are there many companies like that that work
like this?
We know of a few Really?
Yeah But Zodiac Maritime is one of the
most prominent But most interestingly it is guarded
by a company which is an offshoot of
the British Ministry of Defence AMBRI Security Guarded
in terms of security?
Yeah In the Red Sea Where is it?
It's in London Really?
Yeah So think about this This is the
extent of British involvement So hold on If
Israel is a bulwark of British imperialism How
is it possible that you have Companies that
are A company that operates from Britain that
has been involved in assassinations This is well
documented Are the directors British?
Yeah Our offer is Israeli Is there any
directors that are British?
Have you seen them?
If I remember correctly yes Yeah okay And
shareholders?
What's the I don't know Is it a
mix of Is it I think it's owned
directly by the Offer family Yeah Because you
can have a foreign national being a Yeah
Director of a British company Absolutely So that's
pretty significant It is very significant Donald Trump
is also listed here Considered by Netanyahu to
be a funder In terms of making him
Prime Minister You also have Haim Saban Now
Haim Saban Yeah Is an Israel lobbyist The
largest Fundraiser For the Friends of the IDF
In the history Of the organisation Really?
He's credited today With writing Biden's script On
Israel But more Interesting Than all of that
He is currently A director of Universal Music
Group Now Universal Music Group It's got all
those rappers in it now It's got DJ
Khaled So DJ Khaled That's why he's silent
this man Allegedly We've had a year Of
silence We've had a year We've had a
year Of silence Links up with DJ Khaled
To see you But so you've Had a
year Of silence From DJ Khaled During He's
Palestinian Exactly And so then the Question is
If you have And it's not only Haim
Saban Can you Let's make this This is
interesting Let's make this Crystallise this Yeah yeah
So who's connected To DJ Khaled?
So Haim Saban Is a director of Universal
Music Group Former Israeli soldier The largest Fundraiser
For the Israeli military In the history Of
the Friends of the IDF Credited with Writing
Biden's Policy on Israel Okay This is the
Label DJ Khaled Is signed to What's his
connection To Universal?
He's a director He's director He's one of
the Directors One of the directors Of Universal
Music Group So if Khaled says something He'll
drop him Not necessarily Drop him But it
would Cause potential Problems Without a doubt So
yeah There's a lot More in this Do
you think It's conceivable One might argue That
you know He's being told Explicitly Do not
get involved In the politics In the Middle
East I mean certainly Implicitly It's probably Been
communicated To him He probably Tried to show
Himself You know what I don't want To
talk about it Anyway Maybe Because the way
He's coming Across To be honest With me
It's a mehzalah A big mehzalah He's probably
Said you know I was never Thinking of
doing It in the first place Yeah yeah
It's sad It's a sad But you know
We're living through The equivalent To the Sacking
of Baghdad In 1258 We're living through The
equivalent To the fall Of Andalus In the
1400s Civilizationally speaking We are Now entering An
era When Israel's Objectives For the region Are
To Overthrow The Iranian Government As a Ultimate
aim So what's Going on with that Why
do you think They want to do that
They talk about Iran a lot So if
you If you Look at the Pronouncements Of
Key figures Within the Organizations Involved In practicing
Their right Under UN Resolution 3246 Which is
the Right of Palestinians To arm resistance For
an occupation Yeah If you look at For
instance The words of Ziad The Secretary General
Of Jihad Yeah He has Stated That Iran
Has given Billions To all Palestinian Resistance Factions
Even Fatah Over The last Few decades If
you look at For instance But they say
That allows All to go Through Qatar No
That's different Qatar's Funding Is for Social projects
Is for The provision Of General Assistance The
duties Of government The funding That Iran has
Provided Has been Focused on Military On training
On And it's actually Led to Quantum Leaps
In the change Of what's happened On the
ground In the ability To Target Why can't
they stop it If they've got so much
Capabilities Like Let's talk about this In terms
of But I think We should also just
Expand on it first Before we Chunk on
those Mechanics So In terms of This relationship
You look back at The Kareem 9 Which
was One of the ships That was stopped
Of Iranian weapons Headed to Gaza Okay Now
Let's talk about The Figures Within the resistance
This was In Arafat's time Okay In the
If I remember correctly The early 2000s Okay
Now the argument made By Some in the
resistance factions Yeah Was this was one ship
And it's reason That it was called The
Kareem 9 Is because There was There was
There was another 9 So it was one
of 10 Oh okay And These ships reached
And And And were able To arm All
of the Palestinian Resistance factions Including Shuhada al
-Aqsa Which is the Fatah Group Even at
a time when Fatah had Political position Which
Has a PLO For those who It's It's
the Armed wing Of the PLO Now Is
a sort of Political body Which even Includes
the PFLP Technically The PA Is headed By
the Head of the PLO Which is Mahmoud
Abbas The PA Is Oslo Yeah It's Oslo
As a As a Bureaucratic Manifestation Within the
lives Of Palestinians It's a servant Of the
Israeli Occupation The Palestinian Authority Arrests Tortures And
even kills Palestinian resistance Fighters For Israel Again
The interesting Aspect of this Is that It's
Training is outsourced To the British So you
have the British Not only training But arming
With small Arms Never snipers So people are
Being trained Within the Palestinian Authority To only
be Able to Shoot from Close Because There
has Been cases Of Palestinian Authority Personnel Turning
their Weapons on The Israelis And so you
had A case even from Mahmoud Abbas's Personal
Guard An operation Launched by him Killing Three
Israelis At once A few Months ago And
then the Story is he was Later given
up By the Palestinian Authority So in This
case of Iran's Relationship With the Resistance Factions
Is you have All of their Leadership Including
even Yahya Sinwar In 2014 At a time
When there Were Significant Elements Of Hamas Deeply
at Odds With Iran's Policy in Syria Yahya
Sinwar Says throughout This battle That we've had
With the Israelis Iran has Continued to Support
us In every Way we could Ever ask
At a time When The Resistance Factions Were
Completely Isolated But also Most importantly Militarily It
has been Seen as a Red line For
many Many decades To support Them in Any
way We're Talking about Training taking Place in
Iran In Syria In Lebanon The Joint Operations
But let Me give you A bit of
a Devil's advocate Position on Iran Because this
Would seem To indicate That Iran Has been
Always there Arming the Military factions Etc But
then If you look At some Of the
History Between Iran and Israel Some Could argue
That there Has been Some Friendly Relationships Between
The Obviously famously The Contra Affair Iran Contra
Affair Yes The Iran Contra Affair And There's
Some You know Documents Have come Out to
Indicate That Israel Was actually Selling You know
Some of The Weaponry And stuff Like that
To Iran As well So with the Iran
Contra Affair You had Oliver North Basically Work
on A way In which The United States
Was able To Invisibilise Its Policy And so
That was Involved In the Contras In Nicaragua
Basically Selling Drugs In order To fund Their
operations And even Some of Those drugs Ended
up In the United States So for example
You have The original Rick Ross Not the
Rapper Who's a Former Correctional Officer The Drug
Dealer Who was Sentenced To 27 Years Was
approached By Gary Webb A Journalist For the
Los Angeles Times Who said To him Do
you Know That you Were Running Crack Cocaine
For the CIA Inside The Black Community And
he Couldn't Believe It Because These Were CIA
Agents From The Contras And so The way
The United States Would Invisibilize Their Policy Would
Be By Taking The Money That They Procured
By Arming Iran In The Iran Iraq War
And then Funneling It To The Contras In
Nicaragua Now Here's Here's The Question At That
Time You Had Iraq And Iran In A
War That Lasted For Eight Years We're Talking
About The Eighties We're Talking About The United
States During That War Shooting Down Iranian Civilian
Flights And We're Talking About Iran And They
Switched Allegiance From First
To Wars You Have Examples Where People Will
Look To Escape From Isolation To Some Extent
And Also Keep The Flow Of Armaments Now
The Allegation Is That The U.S. Planes
Which Transported The Weapons To Iran At That
Time Came From Israel To The Companies That
They Dealt With But It Was U.S.
Weapons Now They Put This On A Washington
Report I Was Reading This In Some Of
The American Sources It Seems Likely However I
Have A Comparative Case In This In The
Current War You Have The United States Moving
Weapons From Bases In Qatar And Kuwait To
Israel Now Qatar And Kuwait Are Both States
That Have Stated Policies Against Israel However The
Presence Of The U.S. Base Has Happened
I Believe It Is Something That Is Part
Of The Historical Record In Terms Of The
Case Of The Case Of During The Iran
Contra Situation And The Moving Of U.S.
Weapons From Israel At That Time Israel Was
The Most Significant U.S. Base In The
Middle Because All Of A Sudden You Have
Literally With The Exception Of Libya Sudan Algeria
All Of The Arab States Joining The United
States In A Coalition Against Iraq So It's
At The Time Of The Gulf War That
The U.S. Is Able To Build Up
Its Bases In Saudi And Other Places So
Therefore If You're
Able To
Build In Saudi And Places You Can Build
Up Bases In Saudi And Other Places You
Can Build Up
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Places You Can Build Up In Other Places
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of resistance is the only grouping which is
materially opposing Israel and stopping it.
And it's the only grouping in the region
that has been able to impede or at
least delay Israel's replacement of Al-Aqsa, which
is the ultimate objective.
Why would you put someone and argue that
really?
Iran has done no more than any of
the other Arab states which have been controlled
by the...
No, no.
It's...
In terms of direct response.
Think about it, right?
I mean, Iran's been attacked directly, right?
Multiple times.
And they've responded in a way which is
not even like, you know, these attacks that
they've had.
16 people died and they've done these drones
and no one died.
Every single action of any of the factions
in the region, and this is what Israel
knows, is an Iranian response.
More than that, we're talking about decades of
deep integration.
We're talking about information sharing.
We're talking about training.
We're talking about...
But they've also been sharing information with Israel.
No, they haven't.
I mean, not sharing information, but these deals
with America and stuff and the Iran No,
no, negotiations with the United States, but you're
talking about the 80s.
We're talking about 50 years ago.
No, but even the Iraq war recently, the
Punta Volca Center and all these guys.
No, so what happened with the Iran-Iraq...
With the Iraq invasion, Qazil al-Iraq in
2003, what we're talking about in that case
is that you had different arguments made by
some.
And one of the arguments in both the
cases of the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq
was that we will cooperate with the political
process which is then established in the country.
And so then therefore you had specific political
parties which were involved in the political process.
But I would say to you this, the
biggest part of that, the harvest of that
is that you now have an Iraqi government
which has a more pro-Palestine position than
states that literally have US bases that flew.
You have a relationship between Iraq and Palestine
which, you know, we also can't remove the
agency of individual political actors.
So if specific political groups that may or
may not have bad reputations for fasad or
ta'afiyah inside the society, you cannot necessarily
read that as to be blamed on a
neighbor that they have a good relationship with.
Do you understand what I mean?
So I think sometimes that's what takes place
in the Iraqi context.
And I think also you have to remember
that the entire media system that was established
post-2003, it took place under the auspices
of the US government.
We're talking about the biggest and most important
Iraqi news channels from al-Sharqiyya to al
-Hurra to al-Iraqiyya.
These are the ways that people are understanding
what's happening in the country, it's established by
the US government.
Al-Sharqiyya wasn't established by the US government,
it has a very integrated relationship.
Okay, so for example, NBC had this report
where they stated that Yahya al-Sinwar, Ismail
Haniya, Saleh al-Aruri were terrorists.
Now the response was NBC was shut down
by Iraqis and is now in the process
of leaving Iraq.
And the same for al-Arabiyya.
And al-Arabiyya has been working closely with
the Israeli military on its reports.
But then we get into, and I think
it's important because what you're kind of pointing
to is a distinction between what is the
axis of resistance and the axis of assistance.
Now the axis of assistance in the region
for any penetration that we're talking about, for
any Tehawan complacency, for any unfortunate
disappointments that have taken place, when you compare
it to the very material relationship and investment
in Israel's project for the region that is
present among the axis of assistance, I think
the picture becomes clearer in terms of what
are the sides of this equation.
So, in the case, for example, of the
UAE, what you have is currently the Israeli
airspace managed by a private Israeli company called
Highlander Aviation.
Now Highlander Aviation is partially owned by the
UAE government through a UAE state-owned company
called the Edge Group.
So the Edge Group is a part owner
of Israel's airspace.
That's the UAE government.
What you also have is several UAE companies,
let me just clarify, UAE not EU, companies
which are staffed by former Israeli intelligence personnel.
But moreover, the UAE uses Celebrite to hack
phones of its own citizens.
Now Celebrite is an Israeli intelligence company founded
by former Unit 8200 figures, which its CEO
has claimed that they have remote control access
to everything gathered by Celebrite in other countries.
So what you're basically having is the UAE
outsourcing the hacking of its citizens' phones to
Celebrite.
In addition to that, Osama Hamdan from the
political office of Hamas stated that the UAE
used the cover of humanitarian aid in Gaza
to identify locations of rocket launches and thus
assist Israel in its bombing of Gaza.
What you also have, and this is really
one of the most fascinating parts of the
picture, is Jared Kushner founded, throughout the Abraham
Accords, something called Affinity Partners.
Now Jared Kushner is so close to Netanyahu
and his family is so close that Netanyahu
used to stay in his bedroom when Jared
Kushner was at college playing basketball and Netanyahu
used to come and visit the United States.
He used to stay in Jared Kushner's bedroom.
What's he doing in there?
So check it.
Kushner established this Affinity Partners and said, this
is to serve as a corridor for Gulf
investment in Israel.
So who puts in money for it?
The Saudis put in two billion, the UAE
puts in a bit less, Qatar puts in
some.
Okay.
Jared Kushner purchases, with that money, something called
the Shlomo Group.
Now the Shlomo Group is the largest producer
of Israel's navy.
It's the largest vehicle company in Israel and
it's armed several key Israeli units since October
7th.
The Sheldag unit which was involved in the
massacre of the Shafat Hospital.
So think about it this way.
You have money flowing directly from the UAE
and Saudi into, I mean, there needs to
be more clarity about this.
People need to have more access to this
information.
And again, Saudi have hacked the phones of
their citizens with Celebrite, which is an Israeli
intelligence company.
So normalization has happened.
They also obviously have the history of hacking
the phone of Jamal Khashoggi with Pegasus, which
again is an arm of the Israeli Ministry
of Defense.
So we're in a worrying time in terms
of if UAE and Saudi influence in the
region and even in this country will begin
to be conditioned with some form of either
quietism or support for Israel, then the cultural
change that Israel wants to establish in the
region, which is normalization at the point of
a gun, becomes more and more difficult to
discern.
And the social engineering becomes more and more
successful because it's now taking place.
You know, with the case of the Egyptians
for example, they have been reliable to the
Israelis in terms of the nuts and bolts
and the logistics of the blockade of Gaza.
But they don't have the same kind of
record as sort of entrepreneurial service to Israel,
which the UAE is establishing for itself.
You know, one of the key stipulations of
the Abraham Accords was that there has to
be, if I remember correctly, 10 billion dollars
worth of investment by the UAE in Israel
over the next few years.
I mean, that's incredible.
That's a major boost to the Israeli economy.
But also what we're seeing is an increased
security, intelligence and military integration between these forces.
So you have in a way an established
sort of tripartite influence within the region of
the UAE, Saudis and Israel, with really Israel
calling the shots.
And so that's concerning.
That's really concerning for the future of everyone
in the region.
So how do we combat this?
We've diagnosed a lot of the issues here.
And all these connections are, I think people
are going to be really shocked about, especially
in the beginning when you were talking about
the situation with Bill Clinton.
I'm still trying to think about this.
You know, someone of that power can be
leveraged in that way, potentially.
Yeah, potentially.
Yeah, I mean, the case with the Egyptians,
before I forget, is the recent story that
is circulating in the Israeli media.
But again, sometimes I believe that these stories
are put out to try and muddy the
waters.
But that the assassination, the killing of Yahya
al-Sinwar involved him being lured by Egyptian
intelligence to that spot that he was killed.
Of course, there's the other story, which is
that he was active in operations and was
then killed in response to that.
That's the official story.
It's the official story, and believable, and believable
too.
But it is interesting if the luring of
him, because...
What's the luring?
Where did you get that from?
So it's been discussed in the Israeli media
and also reported by several figures within Arabic
-speaking, Arabic-language media.
Again, I'm not sure how much significance...
How would they know where he is?
Because they don't have any presence in Gaza,
do they?
The Egyptians?
Yeah.
Not that I know of, but my understanding
is that he was not using mobile phones.
And so he was apparently, according to this
testimony, seeking more information.
The Egyptians had said they had more information
to pass on to him from Rafah about
the negotiations.
And so then he went to the location
and the Egyptians passed on the information about
location to the Israelis.
Again, though, it doesn't seem to ring true
with the series of events that led to
his death.
So it's hard to know for sure.
Yeah, but...
They were saying that he was trying to
fight them.
And then his hand was removed.
And yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know...
Was his hand removed?
Yeah, yeah.
His hand was shot off and then the
drone came in to check on his state.
But you know, and there is a lesson
from all of this.
Israel and Zionism has always been very top
-heavy as a project.
It's always looked to achieve change top-down
rather than bottom-up.
So therefore, it has taken a policy to
attempt to decapitate organizations.
Yeah, that's what it is, yeah.
So, for example, has that been successful historically?
In 1935, the British thought they could end
the Palestinian cause by assassinating Izz al-Din
al-Qassam.
Today, you have a group that names themselves
after Izz al-Din al-Qassam and names
their rockets after al-Qassam, wreaking havoc for
Israel.
Yeah.
The lesson from that is actually the greater
the repression and the targeting of the leaders
does not demoralize the rank-and-file.
I mean, this is what John Maysheimer was
saying as well, too.
Right.
A lot of the...
in his previous interviews with Morgan and other
places.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's saying it strategically doesn't actually mean much.
Achieve what they want.
And I guess that's why they want the
curriculum angle, which is the cultural change throughout
the region.
They want to remove Hezbollah from the entire
political process of Israel, of Lebanon, and then
reconfigure the Lebanese political system.
And this is a war of attrition.
It could take 10 years.
If they want to try and achieve that,
I don't think they will, but it would
take 10 years to even try and achieve
that because...
and this is an interesting part of it.
So when Israel killed Abbas al-Nusawi and
his baby and his wife in the 90s,
the idea was that Hezbollah is finished.
Okay, what then happens is Hezbollah beats Israel
in 2000 and beats them in 2006 with
only 3,000 fighters.
At that time, they had 9,000 fighters,
but they kept the majority of them in
reserve and only sent 3,000 to fight
the Israelis and were able to defeat them.
The difference now is that Israel, since 2012,
specifically since the Oslo Accords, has a massive
informational advantage over the entire region through its
technological advancement, through the development of Unit 9900,
through the development of Unit 800.
But then, you know, you've got the other
case with the PFLP.
They killed Ghassan Kanfani.
They killed him in the car with his
niece, Lamise.
But what did the PFLP later do?
They later killed the highest-ranking Israeli minister
that has ever been killed in the history
of this Siraat.
The Minister of Tourism was assassinated by the
PFLP after that, and then they killed Abu
Ali Mustafa.
But then you have the case of Hamas.
The entire founding of Hamas, the founders of
Hamas, were all killed.
Abdelaziz al-Antissi, Ahmed Yassin.
Hamas is still fighting today.
The Jihad al-Islami, Fathi al-Shikhaqi, they
killed him.
They assassinated him too.
PIJ is still fighting today.
So the lesson from the history, ultimately, is
that the decapitation model, it just doesn't work.
Israel excels at killing.
It kills as it breathes.
It kills as it breathes.
But it's fighting an unwinnable war.
It's fighting an unwinnable war.
You don't measure the success of war in
your ability to kill the most vulnerable on
an industrial scale.
You measure it on the resonance of your
ideas.
You measure it in terms of your power
of persuasion and convincing the largest number of
people that you were right.
And that's why it's fighting in a very
short-term and blind, wrong-headed way.
But ultimately, Zionism as an idea is unsustainable.
It's unsustainable, this idea that alien invaders can
impose on another group of people their will
and keep them under their boot indefinitely.
What can we do as people now?
Because obviously, you've been spearheading the activism in
the UK and the Western Hemisphere and the
English-speaking world.
What could be one of the figures?
Surely, like you're one of the main figures.
Not the Western Hemisphere.
I'd say this country.
Multiple Piers Morgan appearances.
Your involvement in Twitter and stuff like that.
You're most tweeted and retweeted.
But not Western Hemisphere.
Thank you.
But my question to you is for a
lot of people now that they really want
to get involved, they want to do stuff.
Practically, what can we do to help?
I think we need to strengthen our capacity
to research.
We need to work out the way around
Companies House.
We need to work out the way around
the Charity Commission website.
We need to work out the way of
looking at the tax filings in the United
States, which you can do for organizations.
To what end, though?
What are we trying to do with that?
So for example, with this, this is risk
assessment and awareness all at the same time.
I'm not going into this list just say
for the debate against this clown.
I was going into this list because we
need to know, you know, you've got individuals
on here which fund major British universities.
You've got individuals on here which receive 15
million pounds of funding from the British government
every year that work very closely with the
police, that provide the police information on who
to arrest at different times, that will have
targeted the police pertaining to yourself or any
other immediate influencers that have taken particular anti
-pro-Palestinian positions.
So we need research teams to look at
this?
We absolutely, and we need to.
It needs to be a cultural change here.
So should we start with the list, like
each name?
Oh, wonderful.
I mean, I think if I had more
time, I would have looked into more of
these individuals because then it reveals what this
operation is.
Because the operation doesn't announce itself.
It doesn't brag.
It doesn't brag at all.
I mean, just like for example, practically speaking,
you connecting Rupert Murdoch to Piers Morgan and
connecting Netanyahu to Rupert Murdoch, that chain of
connection has allowed everyone to see the bias
in Piers Morgan.
It's just a simple tactic.
So we can translate those connections into activism.
Absolutely.
And is that the model of doing it
then?
Making those connections and showing people?
Absolutely.
And I think also the infrastructure of how
this functions.
Because Britain, while it's not the biggest arm
of Israel, 15% of the F-35
is made here.
Over 100 companies operate in this country that
have involvement in the construction of the F
-35.
The Arms Trade Treaty, Britain should not be
exporting arms to Israel.
It's a signature to the Arms Trade Treaty.
So how do we ensure that?
I mean, I advocate for Palestine Action, which
shuts down the factories.
Yes, there's risk involved in that.
But that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone involved
in Palestine Action has to go into the
factories themselves.
There's other things they can do behind the
scenes.
Are they an organization?
Are they a company or what?
No, an organization which targets Israeli arms.
They go in and do physical stuff?
Sites, yeah.
For example, Palestine Action has succeeded in permanently
shutting down three sites belonging to Elbit Systems,
Israel's largest arms company in this country.
Are they trained to jump over the fences?
There's training days, which people can attend.
Yes, and they go to prison or what
happens then?
So we currently have 16 political prisoners from
Palestine Action in this country.
Really?
Inside the prison?
In the UK, yeah.
Is it?
How long have they served?
So 10 of them are on remand and
six of them have been sentenced.
It was for one that took place in
Scotland.
However, it's worth emphasizing here that Palestine Action,
since October 7th, has carried out 130 operations
against Israeli military companies.
Well, and since 2020, 500 operations since then.
Now, the legality of them...
For them, that's a trade-off they're willing
to accept?
Yeah, and the legality of them is then
hashed out in the court.
And the vast majority, and this is important
to note, vast majority of people that have
been arrested have actually not been charged.
But then the ones that have been charged
and have then entered the court have been
able to make the sound argument that they
are trying to apply.
You know, there's...
So they made a legal argument?
All of us have a solid legal argument.
Let me explain how.
So number one, Palestine Action comes into the
court and it says, look, according to Article
1 of the Genocide Convention, anybody that is
a part of this should stop those carrying
out genocide and cease the commission of it
and stop supporting it.
Now, one of the ways Britain should do
that is by stopping its arms sales, yeah?
But what you also have is the basis
through which humanitarian intervention is...
When Yemen is blockading the Red Sea and
forcing the Eilat port to bankrupt, it is,
in my mind, and we can say this,
performing a humanitarian intervention.
The same argument can be made for other
organisations in the region.
Palestine Action has a similar position.
It's just based here.
And so what we need...
Are they classified as a terrorist organisation?
No, but they've been...
So there's another important part of the story,
is that the British government advisor on political
violence and domestic extremism is an individual by
the name of Lord Wolney.
Now, Lord Wolney has been funded by the
European Leadership Network, which is an Israel lobby
group.
It's included on the Voices of Israel Ministry
of the Diaspora Affairs Project.
So he's clearly a foreign agent.
He's been funded by them.
He's also been funded by a consortium of
arms companies, which includes some of the arms
companies that Palestine Action is targeting.
Now, he has recommended that there is a
designation that should take place.
They're not Muslim, the majority of them, isn't
it?
You know, Fatima Rajwani, who's one of the
political prisoners of Palestine Action, is a Muslim
woman.
What would you say the majority of them,
I mean, from your...
I would say if we were to look
at the people that have carried out operations,
the majority of them are non-Muslim.
And actually this, to some extent, it testifies
to the sort of resonance of the Palestinian
cause at this particular period of time.
But you know, of course, you have the
history of, you know, the Japanese group that
carried out the Red Army, carried out, you
know, an operation at the Lyd airport, and
have a history, many of them in Lebanon
now.
The Japanese Red Army individuals that fought alongside
the Palestinians in the 80s.
So there is a history, a legacy.
So that's another way of doing it.
So research, and then you've spoken about the
case of the Palestinian activists...
Palestine Action, yeah.
Palestine Action.
What else would you say?
I mean, to be honest, you know, I
wouldn't necessarily be the best person to advise,
because within the little square that I'm in,
I'm sort of doing what I can with
limited success.
You know, there's been ways in which we've
been able to enforce our will on them.
And, you know, there's a price to pay.
I'm not saying that everyone watching this should,
you know, you yourself, for example, have had
your name written on a missile.
You had as well, right?
No, I didn't, interestingly.
But not everyone wants to be in that
position.
And not everyone wants to...
I'm sure they'll put your name on a
missile now.
You know, I don't rule out anything.
Yeah.
And I mean...
Have you had anyone threatening you or anything
like that?
Of course.
Really, yeah?
Of course.
Physically, like?
I've received messages from people who are serving
Israeli soldiers and otherwise.
I mean, in like a face-to-face,
has it come to you?
Has anyone tried it?
No, no.
Okay.
I think the speaker's corner would make that
more of a likelihood.
Yeah, of course, yeah.
Are you coming down?
But in terms of my situation, I think
ultimately you have to reach, in order to
be effective, you've got to reach a state
of tranquility with all eventualities.
And once you reach that, I think you
can be effective.
I think if there is that internal barrier,
then you will always be held back.
And actually part of their propaganda is that
they are the all-powerful, all-enforcing, and
that you really can't escape what they want
to do.
And their will will sort of be the
decisive factor.
It's not true.
You know, we know that's not true.
So, I mean, we're headed for a really
fascinating and tough decade.
So, but I've taken so much of your
time, guys.
Thank you so much.
Before we end this...
People don't know that because he's been so
involved in the activism for such a long
time, people don't know that, you know, low
-key...
I mean, people will know that, actually.
You were quite a famous rapper, weren't you,
for some time?
Are you still doing it?
Yep, I still make music, but not so
much.
More of my time is spent on activism
and media.
Would you say now that you're more of
an activist or more of a rapper?
I'd say more media.
Is it?
Yeah, yeah, more media.
The Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam told
us that when the son of Adam dies,
all of his good deeds are interrupted.
They are finished.
Except for three things.
Sadaqatun Jariyah.
A continuous charity and a beneficial knowledge and
also a righteous offspring that makes dua for
him.
Your brothers and sisters in IslamNet from Norway
are establishing a masjid, a dawah center and
fulfilling a great portion of this hadith on
your behalf.
Establishing a masjid to convey the message of
Islam is one of the best deeds a
Muslim can do.
Whenever someone prays there, whenever someone gives shahada
in the masjid, whenever someone learns something in
the masjid, yes, that will be something that
you will have on your scale.
So give generously and Allah Azza wa Jal
will give you even more.