Living Islam #43

Mirza Yawar Baig


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Bismillah R Rahman r Rahim al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil aalameen or salat wa salam O Allah.

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mousseline, Muhammad Rasulullah, sallallahu alayhi wa seldom at the Sleeman kathira

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My dear brothers and sisters

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hold on he

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said that Maraba been a severe stood among us and said beware Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam stood among us and said we were the people of the book before we're split up into 72 sects. And this community will be split into 7372 of them will go to Johanna and one will go to Jana, and it is the JAMA and this is the halogens are not without

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and it has a very under slightly different wording in my Jami at tirmidhi. My brothers and sisters, I remind myself and you

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this Hadees

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which warns of this splitting into many sex

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is a headache that is well known to all of us Alhamdulillah because and it's also one of those things which Alhamdulillah as far as intentions go, and as far as desire goes, in Shall I can probably say quite safely, that all Muslims anywhere everywhere.

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Whether it is Sunni or Shia, whether it is Hanafi Shafi, they want the Maliki, Maliki, homily.

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barelvi. Sufi, what not right?

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All Muslims want to have unity. I mean, this is I can probably safely say that without any

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Talk to any Muslims anywhere in the world. And if you ask them, what do you think is our biggest need?

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unity will be stated, at least in the top three.

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Now, people might talk about education, might talk about something about unity, we should all be one.

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Now, my question is,

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if indeed, we really are sincere about this, then what's the problem?

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What is the problem? Why is it that we have not been able to achieve this 1400 years after this Harris was born because also Ross Ross Elam is the one who mentioned this.

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And 1400 years later, we're still talking about it.

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And we have today we don't just have 73 sects, I think we have got more than that. Allah knows best.

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think about that. While you're thinking about the let me give you another piece of information.

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Somebody told me about this, that as far as the Christians are concerned,

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there is somebody who published a book,

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which lists the number of Christian sects.

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And in order to define a sect, that person says a sect is not simply something that you know, one guy thinks up on his own. For us for something to be to qualify as a sect. It has to be something which is clearly different from others in terms of its theological beliefs.

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It is something which must have different rituals of worship.

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It is something which must have, oh, he's talking about Christians is not he says, something which must have a different church, meaning that there should be a different head of church, and so forth.

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And it must have a fairly significant population following it. And I am I'm not sure now exactly what number he

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he took as a defining number, but I'm sure it wasn't like three people or 10 people. So he's talking about a significant number of people falling. So he said that they should have, you know, different priests, different set of beliefs, different

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different, different rituals of worship and a significant following.

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Now, keeping these four criteria in mind, this person did his research

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in the number of sects that are in Christianity, so people who are doing doing things differently, but they still call themselves Christians, they be a Christian. They're not saying that out of Christianity or something else, a new religion or they say we are Christians.

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Guess how many there? We're talking here about 7072 73? Right? As far as the Muslims are concerned, guess how many sects that are in among the Christians?

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I was absolutely blown away.

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When one of my friends, one of my American friends told me this and then I looked it up.

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There have been people who have debated this and said no, no, no, this is not true what not? But yeah, just take the number ballpark figure that this man has written his book

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33,000 right 33,000. Now, let us assume that it is not 33,000 let us assume that it is 1000 it's still more than 7273 right?

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Let us assume there is only two,

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Catholic and Protestant. We know that is not true. Because we have got different variations of things. For example, Church of England, the Anglican Church is technically Protestant, because they do not follow the Pope. But if you look at their rituals, and so on, they're far closer to

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Catholic systems and ways of worship than they are to say Lutheran, Presbyterian or something. So they are technically Protestant, because they are

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they they don't follow the Pope. And then and then the pope is not the head of their church. Instead, the head of the church is the British monarch. The Queen of England currently is the head of the Church of England or as it's called the Anglican Church.

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But if you look at their, their way of worship, it is very close it you know, it's almost like the Catholic Church. Now tell me

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as I said, leave the numbers aside. So in Christianity, if there are 234 1015, whatever, right, 15,000 1500, whatever.

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My question is very simple. My question is, there are many different sex. But how many times have you heard one sex, pronouncing the other sex as being out of this charity?

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Have you ever heard the pope saying, for example, that all Protestants are destined for the Hellfire? All Protestants are to us, our St. Catherine

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or Protestants are in the Hellfire? Yeah. Have you ever heard the pope saying that? Have you ever heard the Queen of England Ireland saga? She's the the technical issues they had of the church, but it is, you know?

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It is the chief priests. Right?

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Have you ever heard the head of the Church of England saying that all Catholics are in the Hellfire and all Catholics are not a Catholics actually not Christian? Have you ever heard that? Have you ever heard this statement?

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from any Christian church, about another Christian sect? Although you and I know that

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there was ways of worship are different, their beliefs are different.

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And in some cases, if you actually go into their way of worship, not in some cases, in all cases, practically

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the exclusivity of who will go into Jana who will go into paradise who will go into heaven. The exclusivity of that is actually the

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hallmark of all the three Abrahamic faiths, the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims. The Muslims believe that only Muslims will go into into heaven into Jannah into paradise. The Jews believe that only the Jews will go into into heaven. And the Christians believe that only those who believe in Jesus and who believe that he is the Son of God, and He came to an end He died for the sins of the people, only people who believe that who believe in the Trinity, only these people will go into Jannah. So the the exclusivity of belief is they're not they're not saying that it's okay. You can believe whatever you like, no, they're saying there is there is a correct belief. And that correct

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belief is what we believe. I mean, this is what all of them are saying. Take the Jews, for example, you were orthodox, you got

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you know, reformed Jews, and you got your three or four different sects of the Jews as well.

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My question is very simple. My question is that differences in belief, differences in ritual differences in you know, the way you worship and so on. Differences in understanding

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God understanding the deity understanding

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Lots of Hello data, what do you know about Allah? subhanaw taala? How do you what, for example, one of the big debates ongoing for, you know, over 1000 years among the Muslims is the position of Allah subhanaw taala Is he on his Earth? Is he in everything?

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Is he inside me? Or is he when he went when Allah subhanaw taala said Walla Walla Walla, what za What? Is it by his lm by his knowledge? Or is it bizarre visit because of his of himself that all these debates are going on?

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We got we got battery we got all of the my point. Where is my point? If I've asked him one question, my question is that difference in belief, different differences in ways of worship, differences in approach to God? This is common.

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But do you have among the Christians among the Jews

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that kill the Hindus for example.

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But we'll stick to these three because these are we got, you know, too many commonalities. So

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have you ever heard one of them's pronouncing the other as being outside of religion? Have you ever heard one of them saying that? Have you ever heard a Lutheran saying that all Presbyterians will be in the Hellfire? Have you ever heard all Presbyterian saying all Catholics will be in the Hellfire whenever the word Protestant itself into incidentally the word fundamentalist is of Christian origin?

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fundamentalist for those people who said Let us go back to the fundamentals of religion. And what were they? What was the original protest about it was about idol worship. They said that Christianity over time and this is their, their their grace and their objection against the Catholic Church, and to that extent, to the same extent, perhaps against the Anglican

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Church of England, their contention was that these people are worshipping idols, because they have they have a

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you know, icon, as it is called a statue of purporting to be supposed to be that of Jesus is Ali Salam was supposed to be that of his mother, mudumalai, salam, and so on so forth. And people are they prostrate to that idol, they ask that idol for favors, and whatnot. And this was the protest. So So Martin Luther and when the Protestant movement started, basically what they were saying was that idol worship is not part of our religion, we are supposed to worship the God who is our Creator, you're not supposed to worship anybody else. And I put putting idols and forms and so on and so forth before this is this is incorrect, must not be done, and therefore the whole Protestant

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movement started right.

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Now, despite that, have you ever heard these statements? First question, second question is, let's go back in history a little bit.

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Let's go back in history a little bit, and I won't go back too many years, I won't, I will say let's look at what was happening 500 years ago, what was happening? What happened, you know, even 300 years ago, I'm saying just let's take two centuries, even even if you go to 100 years, you still get the same result. But let's go to 200 years. Think about it. 200 years ago,

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wars were fought in Europe, on the bat on the basis of religion.

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The 100 year war between England and France, which was actually 414 years was called herodias War, which which went through the lives of four kings in England, four of their kings were there. The war lasted through the reign of four kings.

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The 100 year war between England and France was a war between Catholics and Protestants, between the Church of England and the Pope.

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What happened?

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How come that here was his bunch of people, in this case, the Europeans

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there was blood on the streets in Europe.

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Reason, religion,

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reason, differences, of understanding, differences in belief, differences of concept

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between different sects of Christians

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is not religion between, you know,

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again, take the reign of King john

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the amount of them of the Magna Carta.

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He's not the only one but he

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made an addict he made a rule, which said there should be no Jews in prison. So are literally overnight.

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all Jews were expelled.

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You know, God knows how many were killed. And whoever could escaped, escaped.

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And they were thrown out of

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a Britain. Yes and no Jews can be here. Interestingly, they are today to refuge in the, in the, in the Ottoman Empire, they they were welcomed in Constantinople, in Istanbul welcomed by the Muslims.

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But the point I'm making is that this also, this anti semitism

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is what

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is Christian persecution of Jews, which culminated in the Holocaust in Germany,

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where Hitler killed 6 million Jews when we went children.

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But it didn't start with Hitler. It had been going on for centuries before that, not even not or not even decades, centuries before that Jews were persecuted everywhere. They were persecuted in in Russia, they were persecuted in all the European kingdoms, all of whom were Christian kingdoms. The only place they were not persecuted, persecuted was in, in Muslim Spain, and in Andalusia, and they were not persecuted in the Ottoman Empire, which was Muslim. So the only people who did not persecute there were the Muslims, and all Christian kingdoms in Europe. And I mean, Russia is also, you know, call it what you want part of you're a part of Asia all over that Jews were persecuted,

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they were murdered, they were pogroms were let loose against them. They were they were, you know, very brutally persecuted.

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Point is, all of this is part of it part of the history of Judaism and Christianity. Today, whatever.

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Today, whatever.

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You see that happening, dou z.

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I'm not talking about, you know, the neo nazis and sort of freaky people. I'm talking about the general population of Christians and Jews, do they live together?

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the general population of Christians of different sects, do they live together?

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How? So how come? Now let's come, let's come to the Muslims. You know, if you really want change, there is one rule that you need to make for yourself one absolutely in alienable rule, one rule, which is unbreakable, one rule, which you will follow without absolutely any deviation. And that rule is never lie to yourself.

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Do not lie to yourself.

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So let's stick with that.

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And see if I'm going to follow this rule, as I will not tell lies to myself. What do I say to myself when I look at the Muslims all over the world?

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What must I say?

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On the one hand, we have this lip service, we should have it that we should be together, we should be united.

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And on the other hand,

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what do we have? Yeah.

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You know, if you look at some of the differences in beliefs between Christian sects, seriously, you have to ask yourself, are these people even Christian?

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There's such huge differences. But if you look at the differences between the Muslim sects, what are our difference?

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Is there any Muslim six who said to which believe that there are two Gods instead of one?

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Anybody? I don't care who is there anyone who says Laila? Illallah. There is no one worthy of worship except Allah and that I've got a problem with that. No, I think something else is also or someone else is also worthy of worship, together with Allah. Is there any Muslim sect? I don't care who or what I don't want to go on with the list of names.

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Is there anybody at all saying that? No. Is there anybody at all? Who's saying that Muhammad sallallahu alayhi salam is not the Messenger of Allah? Is anyone saying that? No.

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Is there anyone saying that there is a messenger after Mohammed Salah who's also a rasuluh is also an OB? No, because women is saying that has already placed himself outside out of Islam. I'm talking about people who are Muslim, who is Muslim who is a Muslim is somebody who's a Laila heilala, Muhammad Rasulullah.

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All of us have the same fundamental belief, number one, number two,

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when we pray Salah, which is the manifestation of that belief,

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if I say La la la la materasso la what is the proof of that the proof of that is Allah

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so when we are praying Salah, is there any Muslim I don't care whether you

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With a cap without a cap when he raises his hands after every takbeer or is his hands only ones, whether he prays with his hands, you know, folded across his chest or across his belly or hands by side, whether he's praying with a piece of,

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you know, clay from Karbala in front and he's making sudo on that Karbala, Clay because he thinks there is some Baraka in there. I don't care about all that, and is asking one question, what is the direction in which he is praying?

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What is the direction in which a Muslim prays? Whatever it is, what is the direction? Is there one direction? Or are there multiple directions?

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Are the Shia saying we are going to pray in the direction of the Quran?

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Or comb

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or Karbala

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at the same time?

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Are we saying our Sunni Muslim saying that we will pray in the direction of something I don't know what right or even accept for example, not praying in the direction of this?

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One Direction. We have one

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we have one Avi Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam. We pray in the in one direction, which is the direction of the Kaaba, there is no other direction for any Muslim for the Salah.

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Finally, what is the book of the Muslims?

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She has one niara visa v. Emily, Maliki Sophie?

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ashari metodi whatever. What is the kita?

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If you go to Asia and say what is kita Bula? What is he gonna say?

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He's going to say this is the book written by Imam Khomeini.

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If you go to a Sunni and say what is our law, What will he say?

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You would any Muslim

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in the whole world?

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And you asked him what is kita boleh? What is the book of Allah? What is the book of the Muslims what is going to say he was Al Quran

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Al Quran Al Karim.

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Now tell me,

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we are people

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for whom

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the God is One, the Prophet is one, the book is one, that direction of prayer is one yet

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we have huge differences.

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We have hatred for one another.

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We will not sit together we will not pray with each other we will not pray together.

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We will not pray behind each other.

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Yet we want to talk about it yet.

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We want to talk about being together.

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What did Allah Subhana

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Allah do Why does he move you heavily la he Jami on wala for Roku?

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Allah said oh you believe?

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Yeah, you know?

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What is it? What does he know? We have realized

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a lot of

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lessons collectively hold together to the rope of Allah subhanho

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wa Taala for Roku. Allah did not say Allah.

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Allah lesson without the farmer who do not create divisions between each other.

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Right? Don't don't don't farm sex.

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Don't form sex don't build walls between each other. By all means disagree. Allah did not salata. 34 do not say do not have a laugh.

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Please have a laugh. No problem. What is the love if the love is difference of opinion?

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If you have two intelligent people

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discussing a matter, whatever the matter might be, it doesn't have to be religion, or anything.

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Ask me how many? How many difference different theories

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in are there in physics. Say for example, take on the matter of gravity.

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How many different theories are there in physics and chemistry in science basically, on practically everything.

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But have you found one scientists cursing another? Have you found one scientist saying the other one is a He's a thief. He's a cheater. He's a liar. He's a cheater. He's not a scientist. Have you heard? Have you heard this?

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So what's our problem?

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is our problem. Allah said do not form sex. Allah did not say don't disagree.

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So what is our problem?

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I'll tell you what our problem is. Our problem is not

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the lack of desire to be together.

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Our problem is we don't know how to be together.

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We don't have to look at ways to come together, we have to look at ways of how to disagree. Without being disagreeable.

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I made the hard copy because he wrote on a television like Atari

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that will tell us what

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we need to learn. To laugh, we need to learn the manners, the etiquette of disagreement. How can I disagree with my brother or my sister? without breaking hearts?

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How can I disagree with my companion

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without insulting him?

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That is what we need to learn

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how to put forward your opinion,

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be firm on it. I'm not saying everything is right. I'm not saying that you need to agree with every bro.

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By all means, whatever you are on,

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you know why you're on it if you don't know why not.

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But if you are following something, and you have evidence for that,

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whether you are following the right thing and whether your evidence is right or not, I'm going to leave that between you and Allah.

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If you are right, Alhamdulillah if you are wrong, May Allah forgive you?

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I am talking about our relationship here, not you, and I'm talking about you and me.

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So I am on something.

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And I have my evidence. I know why I am on that thing.

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You are on something different from me.

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And you have your own evidence of why you are on that.

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Can we still live together?

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Can we still work together? Can we still have a cup of tea together? Can we still eat together?

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Can we still while retaining our differences? Please understand, I'm not saying everyone has to come on the same thing.

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I'm not saying that. But I'm saying retaining those differences.

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Can we collectively think about issues? And think about problems that are common to all of us?

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What is your opinion for example about drug addiction?

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What's your opinion about

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domestic abuse?

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What is your opinion about

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employability of people

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creating employability not employment employability? What is your opinion about the quality of education that we have?

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What is your opinion about issues of security? What is your opinion about issues of

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of hardening off stances? issues of propagating hatred. Right.

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What is your opinion about all these things? And I can I can I can, you know, make a longer list but doesn't matter. I'm gonna leave you to do that list for yourself. What is your opinion about these things? And is important

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and is important. If I talk about drug addiction, if I talk about depression, if I talk about suicide, if I talk about divorce rates, marriages falling apart, if I if I talk about children, the raising of children, which is horrible, if you to to say the least, if I talk about this, do you think these are specific only to Salafis?

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Only salaries have them? Or is it only that the Burrell is have them? Or is it only the deobandis have them or only the Hanafi the Jaffe, the Americas or embellies or whoever, only the Shia have them as soon as known Is it true?

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You and I know perfectly well that all of these issues. These are not only common to Muslims, these are common to everybody in society. Today we are living in a society like this.

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Literally a doggy dog society where compassion, kindness, taking care of one another and so on and so forth. Is the

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everybody's suffering.

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So why is it that we are unable to sit together and say, Look, you do whatever you like, right? As far as your belief is concerned, most well completely, I respect you as a human being. But you and I, together, we have this problem. So let us sit together and let's try to solve it. And then when the time for Salah comes, no problem, you want to go pray in one way, please. I will pray in my own way. No problem, right?

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you form your own Jamaat. I will form my own Jamaat, maybe we will even pray together. But even if I'm taking a very,

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you know, ground down to earth view, I'm saying even if we cannot pray together, you might say, Well, you know what I mean, you are here I am Sunni, I can't pray we had no problem. Please, please, please you pray on your own. I pray on my own. But once we finish the prayer, can we come back and sit together

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and look at issues which affect every single one of us? Can we sit together and talk about things which affect every single one of us? And then can we eat together? They can pray together we can eat together.

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God is the food also Shia

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Sunni food, Salafi food 100 people.

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just do the diamonds gum for us to stop playing these gifts.

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The time has come to stop playing these games.

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This is destroying us and it's not lack of unity. Please understand this very, very clearly because this is a usual brainless carping that goes on you know lack of you is not lack of unity. It is lack of a clock.

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It is lack of a clock.

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The famous quote of Sharon osito dnl vanarama de la la. He said I used to think I used to think that the problem of this oma was Akita

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but he said I have come to the conclusion that the problem of the Zuma is o'clock.

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I'm not saying to you, okay, that's not important. We understand this. I don't want you to go misquoting me.

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Okay. That is of course it is important.

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And there are no there are no you know, 20 different archives in Islam.

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There is one Islam, there is one aqeedah there is one Allah there is one rule, there is one key that there is one Jana, Jana, all of this and these we know there is no secret This is not something which is which is you know left to your imagination of my imagination. I am saying what is important is this as I told you, whatever you think is good for you, whatever you want to believe and you have the evidence for that, please go ahead believe that, but can we sit together can we talk

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this is the meaning of it is not coming together on on one opinion, believe me that will not happen until the day of judgment.

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Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam could not achieve that. What was the 1 million Laila Hello lava models una de la jolla believe it?

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Believe it did Abu Talib believe it? No.

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So if people did not want to and were not willing to or could not come to one single common belief, when the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam himself was propagating that what jobs do you have? What else do I have?

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To leave? That?

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does not happen. And I'm saying do that is not even necessary. Just like the Christians today together today

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have hundreds probably 1000s of sex but they are one people.

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The Jews today have 3456 but they are one people.

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That's one of them said every Amati is responsible for the whole oma and the whole oma is responsible for every room buddy.

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But guess who that applies to?

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Guess who that applies? does it apply to me as Muslims? I don't think so.

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I do not think so.

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There are people who might apply is one or Muslim that one of them and see the one.

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Every single one of them in the world will be against you because you touched one of them.

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Even though

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in beliefs, it needs support, multiple multiple approaches, multiple ways of looking at things

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rather than just as I want to tell you that what we

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need to learn? In other words,

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we need to learn how to disagree.

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As far as telling stories is concerned, which we are very good at. Yeah, we've got plenty of stories of this. There is a famous debate between Malik and Imam, Abu hanifa Imam,

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Muslim boy importantly,

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after the India watashi after Hajj they met

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and allays that allele was the one who was witness to that he regarded. They've asked different questions.

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And they disagreed.

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In a way, the two different mothers, my family mother was different from her mom, the mother

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But then what happened

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at mahbubani percent,

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one of his principal disciple disciples and students to study under a family

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and he lays down the law asked now, however, after this whole thing finished, he asked him, he said, What is your opinion of money? When and I want to learn?

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He said, I have never seen a man

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more open and more willing to accept the truth than this man.

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And he went to automatic analysis outlining he said, What is your opinion about Avantika Rasul Allah.

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He said, I've never seen a man who is more intelligent. And who's whose convincing ability is so powerful. He said one law he, if you have a piece of iron in your hand, and if anyone wants to convince you that there is a piece of gold, he will convince you.

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The sahaabah to

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be on matters of a bad

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reason I'm telling you is that these disagreements between ourselves Elaine, we're not small things. They will major stuff.

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After the Battle of Allah zap.

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diminish the cyber war taking off their armor, Julius ram came and said, How is it you're taking your armor off? He said to me so solemn, he said, how is it that your people are taking off the hour? Where I where Allah subhanaw taala wants you to go and tackle the bonobo rider who had reneged and who were who had become traitors. And they had they were trying they had tried to stab the Muslims and the sorcerer in the back.

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So now he's ordered them to put back the armor on he said, Go and he said, by then it was time it was finished or unfinished. He said go and march and he said pray answer in the land of the monochord.

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So they went now as they are marching and going

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now, which is not with them. He's in Medina,

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as they're marching and going,

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time for us is coming.

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And then time for us. Okay. And then it looks like the time of Assad is going to go away, meaning that you know, time probably will come. So the Sahaba they had between them, they had a debate and this I mean, imagine all those are right, there's no downside to all of them. So they had a debate and they some of them said

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we should pray the Salah at its correct time.

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And now, if we wait, then mercury will come and answer will be Hello. We would have missed us or altogether. So we will pray we'll stop here we pray. And then we continue. Others have said the Prophet sallallahu Sallam gave an order and his order was pray answer in the place of menorah. So we are going to follow what the province of Islam said. The first group said to them

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by that order, he did not say don't pray. So even if the time finishes

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he said go prayers or meaning try to reach there before that time but but since we have not been able to do that time has come it doesn't mean that we are contradicting his order. We are just taking a decision which is the best decision under this circumstance. So now among the Sahaba there are two differences of opinion one is follow the word of a solo Salah exactly as he told you don't do anything as the other say no we interpret that in light of what the Quran tells us in light of what Allah told us to different okay about a bad and it

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Did that they did both. There were some people who prayed who stopped and prayed. I said, there were other people who went into the land of an operetta by then Maori wet come so they prayed a Sahaba

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when they returned after that engagement this matter was brought to us or Salah

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sola sola Sallam said both of you are right

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now that is not even the point. The point I want to make for you is that during this entire time

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even though there was a difference of opinion on a matter as critical as that and remember this is the

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time of Islam

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new Islam

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much more passion much more feeling about Islam at a at that time you got a bunch of people who want to do something one way and not something rather one worship one group wants to do it one way or another group wants you to run away.

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Not a single Xavi had anything critical or or or negative to say about any other side.

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I am praying here at the right time, but I'm not saying that the one who was not praying as no man and he's got he's understanding is wrong and he is he is false and nothing nothing.

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Similarly, the ones who are praying there, they are not saying these people they are, you know, monkey or soul and they are against the prophets on a Salaam and they are and they are rejecting is this they're not saying that

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both of them, they have a difference of opinion. But they respect each other.

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So the headings which I mentioned to you about the sex, believe me, again, the one who's right, who's right isn't the one who is on what I brought.

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therefore, as I said, they We are not saying here that you know everyone is right know what is right is right was not right. It's not right. May Allah subhanaw taala make us among those who are correct and who are right, who, whose Islam is accepted by those who have done it. But my point is, that as far as our relationship with each other is concerned, this must be characterized by mutual affection by love by, by brotherhood, true brotherhood, where we do what Allah subhanaw taala told us to do, which is to hold fast to his rope. And that rope is an israa. To hold fast to his rope. And not to

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not to change that. Not to break out not to allow our differences, to break hearts to to form sex, and to criticize and to be negative with.

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So we don't need it they had we need other stuff. The result of good other stuff will be that

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you want to get to it the Hat Without other will if they laugh, it's not gonna happen. It cannot happen.

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So yes, we want unity, how to get that by learning to disagree without being disagreeable. By learning to disagree, without being insulting to one another.

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That is the way to get there.

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Allah subhanaw taala enable us to keep our hearts together May Allah subhanaw taala enable us to work together May Allah subhanaw taala enable us to become means of goodness for everybody in society Muslim or non Muslim. Was Allah Allah Allah. Allah Allah He was savage man, Veronica