Maryam Amir – Quran Recitation, Tafsir, Women’s Roles, Emotional Reg and Quran Ustada Kaltun Karani

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The speaker discusses various speakers, including Subhan reminded them of their desire to be a Muslim and their belief in Islam. They also talk about their experiences with Islam and how it has helped them become more qualified for a degree. The importance of learning the Quran and practicing the tafsir in their life is emphasized, along with the importance of practicing the tafsir and sharing experiences with others. The speaker also discusses the benefits of studying Islam and the desire for women to participate in academies. The "monster" culture is also discussed, along with the importance of men in their roles.

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			Subhanallah, Subhanallah,
Alhamdulillah, ILA, Allahu, Akbar,
		
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			subhanAllah, Alhamdulillah, wa la
ilaha, illallah, Allahu, Akbar,
		
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			Allah, alaihi wa sallam, wakam,
Allah, Salaman, Subhanallah,
		
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			Subhanallah, Subhanallah,
Subhanallah, you will be handed
		
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			Subhan Allah, you Han. Subhan
Allah Hani wala Kum salaam,
		
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			warahmatullahi wa salam authority.
Thank you all so much for joining.
		
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			It's super excited, chala, to see
him all this money so I can Sumaya
		
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			Allah SWT,
		
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			Masha, Allah, may Allah, bless
you. That's awesome. Jala, you
		
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			prayed for us too, like a Salaman.
We are going to be starting with a
		
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			set of kiltoon right now this
Rahim,
		
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			how?
		
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			I'm
		
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			doing wonderful. How are you doing
great? It's such a gift to have
		
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			you with us today. Thank you so
much for making the time. Thank
		
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			you for making the time, for doing
this, for the interviews, they
		
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			have been so beautiful. I've been
enjoying all of them. And may
		
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			Allah, bless you for this
beautiful platform you created.
		
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			Bless you for the platforms you
created. Karani, Masha, Allah, she
		
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			has done so much. So just
		
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			to introduce her, before we get
started with our conversation,
		
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			masha Allah, she is the founder of
Academy, which is an institute
		
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			that teaches Quran and science and
teacher of tafsir. She's lectured
		
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			with alum and with other patients
that serve the Muslim community.
		
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			Mashala, she also has a bachelor's
degree, not only from Ohio State,
		
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			but also from
		
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			and she's a student of the Quran,
and she's a mom Masha Allah. And
		
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			with all of this, still is an
author of a book, intentional
		
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			rising, which is incredible. You
coach woman, you bring this power
		
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			to this. You know, woman already
this, but you help amplify and we
		
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			need that
		
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			you've done so much work which
		
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			also had personal
		
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			like with what you're doing
		
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			a
		
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			little bit About
		
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			what, what has,
		
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			yeah, Hang on. Let me
		
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			some Subhanallah, Alhamdulillah.
		
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			Subhanallah, Alhamdulillah,
		
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			okay, I'm not sure if you can
still see me, or if we froze for
		
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			everyone. Are you back? I'm here.
Can you hear me now? Yes, okay,
		
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			Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. None
of it is something. I feel like
		
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			it's all from Allah. I sitting,
I'm sitting here and thinking,
		
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			like, wait, I did all that. And
she's like, it sounds nice, but it
		
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			all started
		
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			when Allah, like allowed me to
learn and be guided. You know,
		
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			towards
		
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			him, I lived. I was born, I'm
Somali. Originally, I was born and
		
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			raised in the United Arab
Emirates.
		
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			I grew up in a home where, like my
brothers. I had a lot of brothers
		
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			who were older than me, and they
were just very passionate about
		
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			the deen. So I grew up in a home
that was Muslim, with my religious
		
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			brothers, but somehow I felt
distant from Islam, like you know
		
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			how my my brothers, they were nice
and loving, but they were also
		
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			young, and so the way they went
about like feeling it was too
		
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			passionate,
		
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			and I just wanted nothing to do
with it. So when I was 23 years
		
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			old, I was a student at Ohio
State, and my friends literally
		
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			forced me to take my first Alma
class. It was light of guidance.
		
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			Michelle PADI, um, and I tried my
best to get out of it. I said, I'm
		
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			not going. I said, I have no
money. I said, I'm going to take
		
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			you guys and I'm just going to
leave. And one of them said, I
		
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			will never I will forgive you for
what you did, because she was kind
		
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			of upset with me. Another one
said, You have no choice but to do
		
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			this.
		
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			And then the third one looked at
me, and she said, I'm paying for
		
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			the class, so you're going
		
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			and I was so upset. So I sat
there, and this was a class, and
		
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			Wallahi, it felt like he was
speaking a foreign language. Never
		
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			did I hear about Allah's
compassion and mercy, and La ilaha
		
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			illallah is the key to Jannah. And
I remember, like, shifting the way
		
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			I was sitting at some point and
leaning in, because he got my
		
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			curiosity. He got me to think. He
got me to say, Wait, like this is
		
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			my Deen, you know. And I never
knew this. And I remember Mariam,
		
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			I asked that question, because he
was talking about saying, La ilaha
		
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			illallah is the key to Jannah. And
I grew up with the belief that if
		
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			you don't pray five times a day,
you're going to hellfire. And
		
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			there was no ifs and no buts like
Tariq Salat. So I raised my hand
		
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			and asked that question, and he
said, you missed last weekend. We
		
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			discussed this, go back to the,
you know, resources. And I was
		
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			like, Wait, like, this belief was
something is wrong with that.
		
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			Like, that's not true. And for me,
		
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			it was really painful, because I
could never pray, you know, I
		
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			would, like, there would be a
moment. I remember one time I
		
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			almost got into an accident. My
car was rotating in the highway,
		
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			and I was like, I'm going to start
praying. So I started praying the
		
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			next day, but I could never keep
up. Even in Ramadan, I would fast
		
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			and I could not pray.
		
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			And so my thinking was, you're
going to hellfire, you're going to
		
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			hellfire, you're going to
hellfire. And he undid that,
		
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			And subhanAllah, I started
praying. And I I never missed a
		
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			prayer intentionally after that
day.
		
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			And I never, and the thing is,
like, I never said, Okay, I'm
		
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			going to start praying. It just
happened from Allah, like, two
		
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			weeks into it, I remember
thinking, like, wait, you never
		
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			you did not miss Allah. So I
created like, a punishment for
		
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			myself. That's all I knew. Like,
punish, you know, like, if I miss
		
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			a prayer, I'm going to pay $5
donation. It just never, I never
		
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			had to. I never had to because I
was so scared I'm going to go back
		
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			to the way that I've always known
myself to be. And it didn't
		
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			happen. Alhamdulillah, and that
thinking of I felt like the class,
		
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			and this is what I love about
studying Islam, is that there is a
		
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			lot of things when we grew up in a
home that is Muslim, or the
		
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			culture that is Muslim, there is
things that are not correct, that
		
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			we actually believe, and it sort
of damages the relationship you
		
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			have with Allah, subhana wa taala.
You know, you're thinking like
		
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			you're not thinking about Allah's
kind and merciful, and He will
		
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			forgive you, and he's already
blessed you. You're thinking he's
		
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			going to punish me. He's so angry
with me, I'm so messed up, right,
		
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			right? How does that serve our
relationship with Allah? Yes, you
		
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			know.
		
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			So that's where it started. I'd
become consumed like that was my
		
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			first class, and I think in the
next five or six years, I had
		
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			taken all the classes required to
graduate.
		
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			I would travel everywhere I went.
I lived in Columbus, I would go to
		
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			Michigan, I would go to Windsor, I
would go to Toronto, I would go to
		
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			Virginia, Maryland, and Virginia,
I'd go Chicago, Texas. I've gone
		
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			everywhere to take a class,
		
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			and it really like changed me from
the inside. I remember how I felt
		
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			taking every class and what I've
gained from it, and what how it
		
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			changed me as a person. And that
was a gift from Allah. Subhanaw,
		
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			taala, Allah, nothing that I ever
set to say like, oh, I'm going to
		
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			start practicing. I'm going to
start taking this path to Allah.
		
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			It was just this desire to want to
know more and practice it that
		
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			just
		
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			continued me until this day, you
know, and I ask Allah subhanaw
		
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			taala that he continued this, you
know, that that guidance is a gift
		
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			from him, and I appreciate it so
much. Yes, subhanAllah, and so
		
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			you went on a path for your
		
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			relationship with Allah and
whatever
		
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			words.
		
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			So, okay, so I actually, like, I
remember Sheik Yasir Khadi, when
		
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			he ended, like, the last thing he
told us in that class was take the
		
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			exam, because the exam is
followed, you know. And he said,
		
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			the real exam is when you stand in
front of Allah and you have to
		
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			talk to Allah.
		
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			Never did I think about that,
never. And I was like, whoa. Like,
		
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			this is real, and ever since that
feeling is with me, but I also
		
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			continue to take exams, not
thinking, you know, like I'm gonna
		
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			get a degree with it. I just never
thought about it. But one thing
		
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			that did help,
		
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			I had a friend who was Masha
Allah, like, younger than me, but
		
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			so much wiser than me. And.
		
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			He, like, basically volunteered me
to do a Halakha Adam, as Jen I did
		
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			one day, and I ran away because I
felt like I'm not qualified for
		
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			this. I can't young girls, but I
felt like I can't, I can't answer
		
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			their questions. I need to know.
So after maybe a couple of years,
		
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			there was another class that I
took that torch bearers, and it
		
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			was all about, like, what are you
doing to service, you know? And I
		
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			remember making that intention,
like, I'm just going to do my
		
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			best. I love this. I'm going to
review my classes by teaching a
		
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			masjid. And Alhamdulillah, the
Masjid was like, they, they, they
		
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			wanted me to do it. So I started a
weekly youth halakah,
		
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			and that was maybe in 2008
		
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			Okay, or 2009 and ever since, I
have been doing halakas, or some
		
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			sort of teaching, maybe the
pandemic has kind of, you know,
		
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			it's gone up and down, but I've
been teaching somehow, somewhere,
		
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			like, yeah, so that, I think,
solidified, because, you know,
		
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			when you Study, you receive it's
for you. You forget a lot of it,
		
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			right? You forget a lot of it,
right? But when you're teaching,
		
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			you go back, you review, you read,
In that process, you're like so
		
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			you're you go through your own
spiritual experience, yeah, right.
		
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			And then you come back and you
teach it, and through the
		
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			questions and the discussion, you
learn more.
		
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			And so the whole teaching was
like, even when I started hikma
		
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			Academy, it was I started hikma
Academy in 2014
		
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			I'd become a mom in 2013
		
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			and I realized that it used to
take me about 810, hours to
		
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			prepare for the two hour Halakha
that I used to do. And with
		
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			working and having a child, I was
losing my mind, you can imagine,
		
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			right?
		
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			I could not, I could not do it. So
I remember making dua that Allah
		
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			let me continue to teach without
it being so like anxiety inducing
		
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			and stressful. And I was just an
anxious mom with my first child.
		
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			You know, I asked Allah to let me
do it in a way that would be easy
		
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			and
		
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			and so after a little bit, I quit
my job. I just focused on hekma
		
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			Academy, and it was the best gift
from Allah. Again, Allah,
		
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			it was the best thing of i Words
are not enough for light to
		
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			describe how Allah would just that
intention, that dua he opened
		
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			doors that were bigger than me.
Truly, they were bigger than me. I
		
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			never thought
		
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			I would have like I was thinking,
I'm going to teach youth. I'm
		
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			going to teach young girls,
teenagers, you know. And then a
		
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			friend of mine asked me who was an
adult. She like Somalis. We have
		
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			this culture. We love the Quran,
and we memorize the Quran from a
		
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			young age. So my friend had
memorized the Quran from a young
		
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			age, right? But like, we don't.
Arabic is not our first language.
		
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			So many, many people don't know
the meaning of the Quran. So she
		
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			was like, why don't you teach us
as well? And I was like, What am I
		
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			going to teach adults like you
already know everything I know you
		
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			know. And it wasn't like it was,
		
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			it was beyond powerful. These
women we still meet till this day,
		
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			like we had a halacha at seven
o'clock this morning on Zoom, you
		
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			know. And I was telling them like,
they have become my sisters. They
		
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			have become the woman that started
this journey with me to like I was
		
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			saying. I wasn't saying, Hey, I'm
so knowledgeable. Let me teach
		
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			you. It was I want to get like I
want to understand the Quran at a
		
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			deeper level, and I want a
community that will wants to do
		
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			that with me. Huh? So
		
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			beautiful. Alhamdulillah.
		
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			Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah.
		
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			So
		
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			how did you choose to focus in
teaching tafsir first?
		
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			So okay, that's a good one.
Because,
		
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			well, I There's so much I think
that
		
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			I we have this love in the in our
hearts for the Quran, right? And I
		
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			knew the Quran is the source of
everything, and I knew the power
		
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			of the Quran in emotionally,
regularly, the power of the
		
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			Quran I can like. So, yeah, that
was a term I used this morning
		
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			because we were talking about our
journey with the Quran. So I
		
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			remember
		
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			I would feel certain way. I'd
listen to Quran, and then I feel
		
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			better.
		
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			I'm calm, I'm content. I remember
I long time ago, I did a Huda for
		
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			some time. I didn't finish it a
Huda like in Canada, and I was
		
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			having a really bad day at work,
someone said something to me that
		
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			was so hurtful, so hurtful. I was
crying. I was just miserable that
		
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			I came home, and then in the
evening, my tafsir started, and it
		
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			was sayaku sahas,
		
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			and the way she reflected on that,
ayah.
		
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			Ah, my, my, everything I felt was
gone, huh? Oh, Allah, literally,
		
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			yeah, Allah is literally, like,
telling us what we need so that we
		
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			don't like, we emotionally
regulate ourselves. And I was
		
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			like, I want that. I want that in
my life. And because I'd never
		
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			finished al Huda. I always wanted
to recreate what I learned with
		
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			like so I didn't continue with Al
Huda, because I knew the Arabic
		
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			like I was telling you. I was born
and raised in an Arab country. I
		
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			like I went to, I didn't, I didn't
speak English until I came to
		
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			America, you know. So the Arabic
part was very easy, but not very
		
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			easy, but easier. But then the
reflections that the the tafsir
		
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			part, what does it mean, and what
does it mean for you in your life?
		
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			What does it mean for you today,
and what you're experiencing
		
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			today? So the tips here, that I
did was very like, we would do the
		
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			tips here, but then there would be
opportunity to like, I'd give my
		
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			students four minutes of silence.
Just process what happened. Write
		
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			down your thoughts, and let's talk
about it. And then everybody would
		
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			bring what they're going through
and what's happening for them. Can
		
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			you imagine, like, what we were
learning in the discussions we
		
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			would have, like, it was just and
some of these women were, like,
		
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			they were so knowledgeable in
their own way. Like, like, my, I
		
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			remember one of them, she was, she
was, she had a PhD in public
		
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			health. So the perspective she was
bringing was something I know
		
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			nothing about, right, right? So,
your, your,
		
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			it was just deep. It was just
super deep that I'm like some of
		
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			the things you continue to process
it till this day. You know,
		
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			absolutely, do you
		
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			mind for us in giving up
		
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			just that? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so,
		
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			okay, I'll listen to team, because
when we were talking, I was
		
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			thinking
		
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			this was a powerful Sura that even
today, when I think about it, I'm
		
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			like what Allah is telling us is
really like. So panel is so
		
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			important and it, it was what
inspired me to write intentionally
		
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			rising, okay,
		
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			Um, a Shay upon your rajim,
bismila, hirah man
		
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			who
		
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			the feeling
		
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			them. You
		
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			could be buchaba doobie Dean. La,
some more. Humveni,
		
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			beautiful.
		
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			Alhamdulillah, so and surati like
so, the way I would do the tafsir,
		
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			it would be like, we would talk
about the purpose of revelation
		
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			with makisura, and then we would
talk about, like, the meaning the
		
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			word for word translation. And
then what does it mean? So,
		
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			something that always came up,
especially in Jose Amma, because I
		
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			asked them, just that I like
repeated multiple times to
		
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			different classes.
		
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			Allah, subhanaw taala starts a
surah by swearing, right? So he
		
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			swears by what teen was they tune?
Watsini, wahad, al Balad. I mean,
		
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			there's four different oaths in
the Surah, and an oath tells you
		
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			this is so important, what's
coming after it is really
		
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			important, right? And not that
Allah doesn't do it once or twice.
		
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			He does it four times in the
Surah, right? So Allah swears by,
		
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			what team was a two and what Adil.
I mean, the scholars talk about,
		
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			is he swearing by just like the
olive, the fig and the city like?
		
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			Is he sparing by those specific
things, or is there another
		
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			meaning? So even Abbas, he's
talking about how Allah shantana
		
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			is swearing by the locations where
those things are known for. So
		
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			when Allah speaks about Wati, he's
speaking about the city where NUHA
		
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			salaam was at, was they too? Where
Isa alaihi salam was at? Waturi,
		
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			Sini, Musa alaihi salam, and the
message that was revealed to him
		
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			had a belac So Allah, subhanaw,
Taala is bring and Ibrahim alaihi
		
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			salam, right? So the five prophets
that we know to be ulila, you
		
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			know, the the ones with the
strongest resolve, or the hardest
		
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			message, or the like they were, I
guess the Allah reminds the
		
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			prophet to be patient, like they
were, right. Um, Allah, Subhanahu,
		
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			taala, swearing by all that. Why?
What is? What is this thing that
		
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			is so important that he wants us
to bring us attention to in.
		
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			This is the purpose. Why Allah's
feet? Why is Allah swearing so?
		
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			Allah is telling us, we have
definitely, for sure, created the
		
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			human being in the best manner, in
in the most straight way, with
		
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			like straight, right? Or like up,
upright or upright, not just like
		
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			your standing, but upright in
everything, right? So when I
		
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			thought about like, or, or you
studied the tips here, like,
		
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			deeper, you see, like, what, what
is a human being made on? You're a
		
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			spiritual being. You have a
physical creation, you have
		
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			thoughts, you have intellect and
you have an emotional experience,
		
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			right? So Allah is telling us that
all of those are supposed to be
		
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			upright, right? Then he says that
there are a group of people that
		
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			will be the lowest of the law.
Why, if Allah had created me in
		
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			the most upright way, am I going
to be at the lowest of the law,
		
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			right? And so Imam Al qurtubi, he
says it is misguidance that makes
		
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			us the lowest of the law, right?
It's that misguidance. It's that
		
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			shifting away from the fitrah that
Allah, subhana wa taala, like that
		
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			innate nature that Allah has given
us, we're shifting away from it,
		
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			and we're falling into things or
where we are living in a way where
		
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			we're no longer upright,
		
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			and so Allah, Subhanahu Tala makes
an exception. You know, who are
		
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			those people that are like, who
have the exception, amen, except
		
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			for those who believe wa ani La
Salle had they have done good.
		
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			They have a reward that will never
end. And you know,
		
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			there's so much that can be said
about that, but the one thing that
		
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			came to my mind today, if I am not
upright, I'm a mother, I'm raising
		
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			children, right? If I don't keep
fixing myself, what happens? We
		
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			talked today about generational
trauma. Yes, very real. How do we
		
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			end generational trauma?
		
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			You know, if I'm not upright in my
thinking, I'm not seeking
		
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			knowledge, I'm not changing the
way I'm thinking, I'm not if I'm
		
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			not upright in the way I take care
of my health and my body, and I'm
		
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			not upright in the way my
connection with Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			and so I have behaviors that are
not serving me, so I'm in the
		
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			like, I'm going to recreate that,
right? So the part about ajuna,
		
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			can you imagine if I fixed myself?
What is that reward that I could
		
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			get by all the people around me
that I'm able to influence because
		
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			of me working on myself? Subhan
Allah, Subhanahu, we see what I
		
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			mean, like ajruman Moon means,
like a reward that is like, you
		
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			can't even count it, right, right,
right. You can't even count it.
		
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			So,
		
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			so I guess
		
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			Allahu Akbar mean the last verse
like, Isn't Allah the wisest of
		
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			the wise, right? So humanity is
basically looking for wisdom.
		
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			Who is the source of wisdom,
		
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			Allah subhanahu wa and the Allah
subhanaw taala has, out of his
		
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			like mercy, He has given us the
Prophet sallam, so that we could
		
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			emulate him and look and learn
from his life, right? So when you
		
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			think about the life of the
prophet Sallallahu, alayhi wa
		
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			sallam, what do we learn? Like the
way he ate, the way he slept, the
		
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			way he talked to people, the way
he dealt in relationships with
		
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			people, the way he was so
forgiving towards people, the way,
		
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			like everything about interactions
with human beings, right? And then
		
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			the way he was connected with
Allah, what kind of a schedule did
		
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			he have? If you look at that, you
realize that this person who lives
		
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			according so let me, let me stop
here. I
		
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			have a Master's in Counseling,
school counseling, right? So,
		
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			trauma and something that I focus
so much on because I was trying to
		
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			heal my own trauma. It was part of
my courses. And then so there was
		
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			this book that I read by Nadine
Burke Harris, and she's talking
		
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			about the deepest. It's the name
of the book is the deepest. Well,
		
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			when she talked about trauma and
what it does, and how it hurts,
		
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			and how like like the damage
humanity is facing because of
		
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			trauma, and then she gives you six
different things to heal. And I
		
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			was thinking, if we did all those,
if we follow the singer, we're
		
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			doing those six things.
		
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			If we follow the singer, we're
doing those things. What are they?
		
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			The things that she recommended.
Um, I hope I remember them.
		
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			Um, meditation, or like, you're
like doing doing, like, doing
		
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			meditation, you know, or yoga, my
mindfulness, she calls it doing
		
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			talk therapy, you know, you could
see where all those things like
		
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			talk therapy, like having somebody
you talk to you, having a teacher,
		
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			having a mentor. What was the
other thing? Like a physical,
		
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			physical like exercise.
		
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			And how important it was. Um,
cartoon, come on, come on, come
		
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			on. I read this so many times.
		
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			There was other ones. I can't
remember them, but there were six
		
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			of them, okay, and all of them,
oh, nutrition mind, like mindful
		
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			eating or healthy eating. Like,
what nutrition are you taking in?
		
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			How much does Allah talk to us
about, like, fruits and vegetables
		
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			in the Quran, I guess
		
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			so to me, it's like Subhan Allah,
like my wisdom, what I need to
		
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			live a good life and to take care
of myself and the hurt that I
		
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			might have experienced. And so
many of us have had traumatic
		
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			experiences, right? The false
assalam has had traumatic
		
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			experiences. So how do you heal
yourself? It's through Allah has
		
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			already given it to us in the
Quran, and so that's why I
		
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			approach the Quran and tafsir, and
I hope that my dream is to be able
		
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			to finish the whole Quran, but so
far, solidified,
		
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			amazing start.
		
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			Yeah,
		
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			so when you talked about
generational trauma and your own
		
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			background,
		
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			why did you choose to write a book
		
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			rising intent, intentionally.
		
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			Where do,
		
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			where did they to merge, right?
Okay, so when we think about,
		
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			like,
		
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			there was a verse that I actually
thought about
		
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			Allah subhanahu wa wants us to
rise to see how, like, their
		
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			stairs, yeah, like, where it
caught, what a call, right?
		
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			Like in get working on yourself.
You're rising up to Allah subhanaw
		
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			taala. You're going up to Allah
subhanaw taala, right? Whether it
		
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			is like when we die, I can't
remember, there was
		
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			a verse that I was like, the
verse, But basically, the book
		
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			took these parts that I'm telling
you our spirituality. What does it
		
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			look like to have
		
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			a relationship with our like with
Allah subhanho wa taala, where
		
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			we're rising to him. We're
pleasing Him. We're going up to
		
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			him in the in a way that is
pleasing to Allah and meaningful
		
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			for us, right? It takes into
consideration there's like, the
		
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			different chapters of spirituality
and then emotions. You know? We
		
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			don't, we don't realize how much
our past experiences could hinder
		
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			us from having a relationship with
Allah. Yes, you know, so if I were
		
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			like, something that I've we've
talked a lot about coming from a
		
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			Somali community, we love the
Quran. We have a very strong
		
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			relationship when it comes to,
like, memorizing the Quran. Our
		
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			kids start duxi. You know, duxy is
like the name we give it that it's
		
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			like the weekend school, our kids
started, like, as young as three
		
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			or four or five years old, right?
It's, it's beyond amazing. It's
		
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			the gift that Allah has given,
like, to Somali people, right at
		
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			the same time around there, there
are, there are,
		
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			there's this
		
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			hitting kids with the Quran like
for so they can memorize the
		
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			Quran, the forceful way to go
about it that has left many people
		
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			traumatized because of this way
that you have been taught the
		
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			Quran, right? And I don't want to
say to everyone, there have been
		
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			great teachers in Alhamdulillah,
people who haven't had that
		
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			experience, or people who did have
that experience, but because they
		
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			lived in a country where that was
the norm, they didn't develop
		
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			negative association with the
Quran because of it. But then the
		
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			reality is, there are people who
had
		
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			a negative association with Dean
because of that upbringing, right?
		
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			Um, there is also what. There was
also like, I remember one day my
		
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			mom's neighbor, her kids had all
memorized the Quran, so I was
		
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			standing at the elevator, waiting
for the elevator, and then I see
		
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			her son, and I said, you know, oh,
like, auntie, you've memorized the
		
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			Quran. Masha Allah, like, do you
enjoy it? Do you enjoy reading it?
		
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			Because I'm thinking, I can't wait
for the day that I memorize all of
		
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			it. I can just sit there and read
it all right? And he was like,
		
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			What are you talking about? I
don't understand a single word.
		
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			What do you mean? Enjoy it, you
know. So I guess for me, when I
		
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			was writing this section in the
book, I was thinking about the
		
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			spirituality Allah subhanho wa
Taala meant for us,
		
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			you know, and what is getting
people to reflect how the book is
		
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			actually a workbook, so it asks
you questions, to get you to think
		
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			about your own personal
relationship with ibadah, your own
		
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			personal relationship with the
Quran and with Allah subhanahu wa.
		
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			Is it aligned with what Allah
wants for us, or does it still
		
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			carry
		
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			the negative experiences we might
have had when we were younger, or
		
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			the lack of guidance that we might
have experienced so it allows you
		
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			to work on that and fix it and
then pursue a path that is
		
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			meaningful for you. Does that make
sense? Yes, you so, oh, sorry.
		
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			So the book, I guess you asked me
about the book. The book is like,
		
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			so it takes every chapter is like,
spirituality, emotions,
		
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			like contribution, or like, what
your career and your what is it
		
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			that you're contributing into this
world. There is a chapter about
		
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			worth and who you are, because
that stands in the way before we
		
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			even try to work on our life.
There is a section about your
		
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			health, your physical health and
your fitness. There is a section
		
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			about
		
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			your relationships and a section
about your finances, all of which
		
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			take into consideration what we
talked about, what Allah wants for
		
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			us. Where are we at and where do
we want to go?
		
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			So intentionally, rising has
different sections. Have to do
		
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			yourself,
		
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			individual and yes, focus in
counseling. And
		
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			really, I've heard a lot of
		
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			about emotion you've been
discussing, yeah, how do you
		
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			how do you
		
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			going through depression or going
through relationships, They have
		
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			trauma?
		
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			What is your response?
		
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			But
		
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			I'm yeah.
		
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			So Subhanallah,
		
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			to your My daughter is two years
and three months old, and right
		
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			after I had her, I experienced,
not right after I had her, like a
		
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			little bit after, I experienced
postpartum depression, and it
		
00:32:04 --> 00:32:08
			actually went up to postpartum
psychosis. It was a like, I got
		
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			really, really sick, and for a
long, like, for a big part of it,
		
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			I had the depression, and it was,
		
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			it was the most difficult thing
I've ever, like, dealt with
		
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			Alhamdulillah. Like I felt like
Allah was teaching me, how would
		
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			you how are you going to work with
people who are, who you maybe do.
		
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			I never experienced depression,
but now, when someone talks to me
		
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			about depression, I get to feel I
get it, you know, because there is
		
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			this level, there is this thing
between mental health and
		
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			environmental depression, like
someone could have a chemical or
		
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			hormonal imbalance that is causing
them to be depressed, right? Um,
		
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			or it could be environmental. So
the way you're thinking, the
		
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			lifestyle you're leading, the the
the nutrients that you're giving
		
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			your body, you know, because
mental health is is, is a reaction
		
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			of your body and your mind to what
is happening. Right?
		
00:33:07 --> 00:33:07
			One second.
		
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			Take a break.
		
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			Okay? I'll remind you in three
minutes, because you've been
		
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			sitting there for two minutes.
Teacher gave him a break. I'm
		
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			sorry.
		
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			His teacher gave him a break, and
he's telling me, help me count
		
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			five minutes. Okay, okay. But
		
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			your aunt.
		
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			But when you can,
		
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			then you take on your main role,
and then,
		
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			yes, I love it. I love being able
to multitask it.
		
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			That's it, right there.
		
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			And I love I mean,
		
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			so I guess
		
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			so there is, there is that part
where you do have to work with
		
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			someone who qualifies to talk to
you about the the illness in such
		
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			a way that they take into
consideration your faith as well.
		
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			Because when you look at the DSM,
or the one that I use is for our
		
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			school counselors, when you're
working with someone who has
		
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			depression, anxiety, any mental
health, spirituality has a place.
		
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			Meditation and mindfulness has a
place, right? But then there are
		
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			other treatment like tools or
skills or strategies, like your
		
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			thoughts or the routines that you
have or sleeping, all of it, I
		
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			feel like does fall into our deen.
We can find resources in our deen.
		
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			I wish we had more people being
specialized in both, like have
		
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			your Islamic knowledge and mental
health knowledge to.
		
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			Bring both together. But even if
you don't have that, it's a
		
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			like there a non Muslim therapist
is using can help you use your own
		
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			spirituality or your own faith to
help you heal?
		
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			Does that make sense? Yes. Yes.
How
		
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			you're breaking up. I mean, here.
Why does this happen?
		
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			Allah Subhan, Allah wa
Alhamdulillah, okay, am I back?
		
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			Yeah, yeah, you are Inshallah,
		
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			I'm reading your flips.
		
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			Yes,
		
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			I can hear you, but I don't know
why it's I don't know if it's me
		
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			or if it's okay. You talked about
that. I'm really somebody else
		
00:36:05 --> 00:36:08
			that you're breaking up. So I
don't know. Are you connected to,
		
00:36:08 --> 00:36:11
			like, Wi Fi? No, I'm on data now.
		
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			Any better?
		
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			Yeah, I like hype well in
		
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			is this okay?
		
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			Yeah, okay, you talked about the
Quran.
		
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			Uh huh. Quran regulating my
emotion. Okay,
		
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			so when someone tells you
		
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			for their mental health.
		
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			All right, let me try typing this
out.
		
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			Okay,
		
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			all they're doing for their mental
health.
		
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			How do you
		
00:37:08 --> 00:37:12
			Oh, all they're doing for their
mental health? Yeah, they're
		
00:37:12 --> 00:37:12
			healing
		
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			with,
		
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			Okay, let's try. Yeah. When people
tell you they're reading Quran as
		
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			others they're doing for their
mental health. How do you feel
		
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			about their healing when they're
still struggling? Yeah? Allah
		
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			Alam, like, yeah. Allah said there
is shifa in the Quran. It can't be
		
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			everything you do, it can be, what
about, you know? What about vicar?
		
00:37:45 --> 00:37:49
			What about exercising and being
outdoors and what about the
		
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			nutrition that you're eating? What
about the thoughts that you have
		
00:37:54 --> 00:37:58
			that you're not really expressing,
but they're contributing to how
		
00:37:58 --> 00:38:03
			you feel? They're contributing,
and you're not. You're not talking
		
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			to someone so that they could say,
Wait, that thought that you said,
		
00:38:09 --> 00:38:11
			How is it aligned with the message
of the Quran?
		
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			How is it aligned with what is
good for you? How are they
		
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			creating the illness that you're,
you're you're experiencing, you
		
00:38:20 --> 00:38:23
			know, or when you've tried all of
that,
		
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			I do believe that you know, like
medication can be helpful right
		
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			now, that it is the first thing
that you would jump to, but that
		
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			you are speaking with a
professional that can tell you you
		
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			really have done everything, maybe
it's time to include That's right,
		
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			maybe it is. It's going to help. I
remember,
		
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			after Ramadan, couple of years
ago, I went to my doctor and I
		
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			said, I don't want to be on this
medication, like my whole room
		
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			alone,
		
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			medication. And I tried, and I
would, like, I was depressed
		
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			again.
		
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			And so you, you gotta, like, trust
this, that Allah subhanahu wa has
		
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			given some wisdom to this person
and to the to what they're giving
		
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			you, so that it will help you as
well. And that's part of my Imaan
		
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			in Allah is not shaken. Actually,
I'm taking the steps to help
		
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			myself, according to our day. You
know, that's so powerful. The fact
		
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			that
		
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			taking you're taking this is part
of taking the steps.
		
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			Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And
you know, like the Prophet
		
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			sallallahu sallam, went towards
the end of his life, when he was
		
00:39:42 --> 00:39:45
			getting sick, he would ask
different people what they did and
		
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			what was their healing
methodologies, you know? Well, you
		
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			just keep trying. Just wait for
him. He'll come back. So they he
		
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			tried. He would ask different
tribes, what did they know? You
		
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			know? And he is a prophet.
		
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			Didn't do that. And why am I going
to do that? Right? Why did I know
		
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			that?
		
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			They didn't know
		
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			like
		
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			California
		
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			is so, like, I'm always telling
people, therapy is you just having
		
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			somebody to listen to you, to hear
you out, and it's not for like,
		
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			yes, a therapist does more than
listening to you. They take what
		
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			you said, and they also teach you
skills and strategies to show you.
		
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			Like, how is that helpful to you?
But sometimes in you expressing
		
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			yourself, you hear yourself, but
when I'm not talking it out, or
		
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			I'm not talking it out in a
constructive way with someone that
		
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			gives enough space,
		
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			right? Right. Yeah. So when, when
I
		
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			thought like the therapy, or the
counseling that I do with people,
		
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			it's listening to them and saying,
like, is that really what Allah, I
		
00:41:16 --> 00:41:20
			use that a lot. What do you think
Allah will tell
		
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			you, stop and it's what we
		
00:41:26 --> 00:41:33
			say to ourselves, but what I am,
what honey, what is Allah saying
		
00:41:33 --> 00:41:36
			to you about that situation?
Subhanallah, that's so true.
		
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			Times we we feel like Allah
		
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			hates us, and it's actually a
reflection of how about ourselves
		
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			and we project
		
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			Allah is not
		
00:41:55 --> 00:41:58
			angry with us. He might be angry
at some things, but if I'm not
		
00:41:58 --> 00:41:59
			doing those things, Inshallah, if
I'm asking,
		
00:42:01 --> 00:42:05
			he's loving he's compassionate,
he's merciful. He's saying, come
		
00:42:05 --> 00:42:08
			to me and I'll forgive you. He's
warning towards you as you are
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:10
			trying to some people think like
		
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			and I wish we talked more on that.
That's what I was telling you
		
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			about, what the power of studying
Islam is that you hear from Allah
		
00:42:21 --> 00:42:22
			what He said
		
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			the Prophet,
		
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			because things, it's like things
of God, have got mixed up,
		
00:42:29 --> 00:42:35
			culture, experiences, what I bring
to the deed and no, we gotta, we
		
00:42:35 --> 00:42:39
			gotta get back to the sources. You
know, back to the sources. Yeah,
		
00:42:39 --> 00:42:41
			let me hear a little bit,
		
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			and teaching as a woman and as
other
		
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			challenges, and working in the
community in those roles while
		
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			still
		
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			learning and trying to speak up.
		
00:43:03 --> 00:43:04
			Easily acceptable.
		
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			Yes.
		
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			So
		
00:43:11 --> 00:43:13
			to be honest with you, like
		
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			I've I've felt that I was telling
you earlier about when I when I
		
00:43:19 --> 00:43:23
			had my son, it was hard to
continue certain things, right?
		
00:43:23 --> 00:43:28
			But I also believe in the fact
that Allah subhanahu wa like this
		
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			is important. If Allah put the
love in my heart, and it's
		
00:43:32 --> 00:43:36
			important to me, I'm going to find
a way to do it. So when I used to
		
00:43:36 --> 00:43:40
			teach at the academy, believe it
or not, like my mom always told
		
00:43:40 --> 00:43:43
			me, I'm never going to be a
morning person make fun of me
		
00:43:43 --> 00:43:47
			because I would miss work. I used
to wake up at two o'clock in the
		
00:43:47 --> 00:43:48
			morning so I can lesson
		
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			plan and where there's a will,
there's a way, and Allah subhanahu
		
00:43:54 --> 00:43:59
			Taala will give you that way. You
know, there, I don't believe that
		
00:43:59 --> 00:44:02
			there's a barrier. If we're going
to, if we ask Allah to help us,
		
00:44:02 --> 00:44:06
			he's going to show us the way,
right? I do think, though there is
		
00:44:06 --> 00:44:10
			like, we got to be creative. We
got to figure out ways that work
		
00:44:10 --> 00:44:13
			for us. So I used to teach on the
weekends, like every Sunday, I'd
		
00:44:13 --> 00:44:16
			be gone the whole day, I would
have multiple classes. And
		
00:44:17 --> 00:44:21
			the year that my son started
kindergarten, he was in school
		
00:44:21 --> 00:44:27
			five days a week. So it felt hard
on me that that year to also be
		
00:44:27 --> 00:44:31
			gone on a Sunday, you know. So the
next year, when those classes
		
00:44:31 --> 00:44:35
			ended, I started doing a class
online. Did I like the whole
		
00:44:35 --> 00:44:40
			experience? No, but I felt good
that I could teach and then go
		
00:44:40 --> 00:44:42
			upstairs, and he's there, you
know, they need or he could come
		
00:44:42 --> 00:44:45
			around and I could just be like,
sit over there, and he would just
		
00:44:45 --> 00:44:49
			listen to me, you know. So it's,
there's our kids. They are, they
		
00:44:49 --> 00:44:52
			are part of us. They're going in
this, you know, if we see them as
		
00:44:52 --> 00:44:54
			a burden, it becomes a burden, you
know.
		
00:44:56 --> 00:44:59
			Now I'm thinking, like, after the
pandemic, what is the way that I
		
00:44:59 --> 00:44:59
			could still.
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:04
			Teach in the community, because I
love the power of being in the
		
00:45:04 --> 00:45:10
			same room with people without it
taking a lot away from my kids and
		
00:45:10 --> 00:45:13
			the weekends and the evenings that
they are with me when he's in
		
00:45:13 --> 00:45:16
			school the rest of the time. My
daughter is too little, so I'm not
		
00:45:16 --> 00:45:18
			really thinking of her yet and her
schedule,
		
00:45:19 --> 00:45:22
			but I think that as women, where
there is a will, there is a way.
		
00:45:22 --> 00:45:26
			Another thing that I think a lot
about is,
		
00:45:29 --> 00:45:32
			I see this with a lot of women,
that we're creating our own
		
00:45:33 --> 00:45:37
			academies of institutes, you know,
instead of going to the masjid and
		
00:45:37 --> 00:45:41
			doing it at the masjid and
continuing at the masjid, and what
		
00:45:41 --> 00:45:46
			I what I'm thinking is, are we
giving the space to do things
		
00:45:46 --> 00:45:51
			like, to teach and to offer what
we want to offer to the community
		
00:45:51 --> 00:45:55
			in a platform that is already
there, you know? So I wish Mrs.
		
00:45:55 --> 00:46:00
			Were a little bit more welcoming
and open and saying, like, we need
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:03
			the voice of women. We need, and
not that. I've all like
		
00:46:03 --> 00:46:06
			experienced that like a little
bit, yes, but Alhamdulillah, for
		
00:46:06 --> 00:46:09
			the most part, I've also felt
there is this desire to say, come
		
00:46:09 --> 00:46:14
			in. But it's not, it's not the way
we imagine it. So we end up
		
00:46:14 --> 00:46:19
			creating our own places, like, Oh,
I know so many women that have
		
00:46:19 --> 00:46:22
			taken their talents and their
skills in the deen, and instead of
		
00:46:22 --> 00:46:26
			creating it in the masjid, they're
doing it on their own because they
		
00:46:26 --> 00:46:30
			didn't feel welcome in this place.
And that, to me, like long term,
		
00:46:31 --> 00:46:34
			how is that serving the Masjid?
How is that serving our youth when
		
00:46:35 --> 00:46:39
			the Muslim community automatically
goes to the masjid? Right? Right?
		
00:46:39 --> 00:46:44
			You know? Yeah. What was the other
part of the question you said?
		
00:46:44 --> 00:46:44
			What
		
00:46:46 --> 00:46:48
			was reading as a woman? I think
		
00:46:52 --> 00:46:53
			I know I go through this, and so
		
00:46:55 --> 00:46:56
			we leave the message, because we
		
00:47:00 --> 00:47:00
			don't.
		
00:47:02 --> 00:47:02
			But what other
		
00:47:04 --> 00:47:04
			the woman
		
00:47:05 --> 00:47:08
			as a woman so that that's a good
one.
		
00:47:09 --> 00:47:10
			You know, we
		
00:47:11 --> 00:47:14
			the culture I grew up in.
		
00:47:15 --> 00:47:19
			I remember a few years ago, the
first time I was invited to speak
		
00:47:19 --> 00:47:24
			at a conference. It was there was
there was going to be both men and
		
00:47:24 --> 00:47:27
			women. And my mom, who's in her
70s, who's, you know, like,
		
00:47:27 --> 00:47:30
			traditional Somali mom, she said
to me, Are there no men to teach
		
00:47:30 --> 00:47:35
			this? Yes, are there no men to do
this? And I was like, What do you
		
00:47:35 --> 00:47:36
			mean, like,
		
00:47:37 --> 00:47:42
			like? So I come from that culture,
right? So I'm doing what I have
		
00:47:42 --> 00:47:46
			learned and I have internalized
and doing it in a way that it is
		
00:47:47 --> 00:47:50
			aligned with the dean. So I
remember the first time I took of
		
00:47:50 --> 00:47:56
			love with shakas. I was that woman
that was dispelling a lot of the
		
00:47:56 --> 00:48:00
			things that I have read, because I
was thinking, wait like you're
		
00:48:00 --> 00:48:03
			speaking about women in a way. I
have never heard women being
		
00:48:03 --> 00:48:07
			spoken about. I remember when I
was younger, there was a book at
		
00:48:07 --> 00:48:12
			my house called Nisa. I read that
book so many, so many times. It
		
00:48:12 --> 00:48:16
			was like jokes about women, like,
look at the humiliation, right?
		
00:48:16 --> 00:48:20
			And one section basically was
talking about how
		
00:48:21 --> 00:48:27
			said, listen to what women say and
do the exact opposite. Their words
		
00:48:27 --> 00:48:32
			are meaningless, you know? And I
grew up with this and realize
		
00:48:32 --> 00:48:36
			this, like, there's no worse to a
woman. And so when he's like, Yes,
		
00:48:36 --> 00:48:37
			I remember he said,
		
00:48:38 --> 00:48:42
			this is like, this basically, is
not authentic. It's not real
		
00:48:43 --> 00:48:49
			example of um. And what did like,
he consulted um. You know, look at
		
00:48:49 --> 00:48:53
			the giants that we have in our
team. Someone in my family sent me
		
00:48:53 --> 00:48:58
			a video of how women should not be
teaching and they should be doing
		
00:48:58 --> 00:49:02
			it in their home. And this was
what the first time that like, I
		
00:49:02 --> 00:49:04
			was invited to speak at a
conference, and my my picture was
		
00:49:04 --> 00:49:08
			in a flyer, and I was thinking, if
I were to listen to this shaykh
		
00:49:08 --> 00:49:09
			who's speaking Quran and Sunnah,
		
00:49:10 --> 00:49:14
			and I take that like, of course,
I'm not going to get anywhere. But
		
00:49:14 --> 00:49:17
			alhamdulillah for the fact that
Allah had taught me otherwise.
		
00:49:18 --> 00:49:22
			Allah had taught me otherwise. And
I look at other women examples,
		
00:49:22 --> 00:49:25
			actually, how I show us was who
lives here in Minnesota, and said,
		
00:49:25 --> 00:49:29
			Tamara gray doctor, hikpa, you as
well. I'm like, these are women
		
00:49:29 --> 00:49:32
			who studied the dean. Did they
study wrong Dean? Like, what kind
		
00:49:32 --> 00:49:35
			of Dean did they study? And what
kind of Dean are you talking
		
00:49:35 --> 00:49:38
			about? You know? So I think that
		
00:49:39 --> 00:49:45
			as women, the biggest tool we have
to get rid of those challenges is
		
00:49:45 --> 00:49:49
			to study our dean and see how did
the process talk about us, how did
		
00:49:49 --> 00:49:52
			he talk to us, and what platforms
did he give us as women? Because
		
00:49:52 --> 00:49:56
			if I just sit and say, I'm going
to wait until someone gives me
		
00:49:56 --> 00:49:58
			permission. No, guess what,
nobody's going to give you
		
00:49:58 --> 00:49:59
			permission. Oh.
		
00:50:01 --> 00:50:04
			Nobody's gonna come and give me
permission. You know, the
		
00:50:04 --> 00:50:08
			permission came from Allah, and I
took it, and if you have anything
		
00:50:08 --> 00:50:12
			with it, show me an eye of the
Quran. You know, I'm so grateful.
		
00:50:12 --> 00:50:17
			Like this gets me heated up. I
remember, you know, this phrase
		
00:50:17 --> 00:50:22
			that we used to always hear about
so the voice of a woman is awra,
		
00:50:22 --> 00:50:26
			right? And those things were all
filled in my head, because I grew
		
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			up in that culture, right? And I
remember listening to Shaykh al
		
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			Bani, and he said, So Mara is not
awra. Like, how is the hour? How
		
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			can you talk to her? It's just our
like way, like when we study the
		
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			deen, we relax so much so I'm not
going to let you. You're not.
		
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			You're not the ambassador between
me and Allah, no,
		
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			you know what I mean. No, yeah.
		
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			Allah, yes,
		
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			yeah. No one, sorry, no, please,
please, please,
		
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			keep I think that there is like
there are. And I think now maybe
		
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			we live in the West, and I'm
forgetting that part that I'm
		
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			assuming that everybody knows
this, but maybe there aren't,
		
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			there aren't like, maybe there are
still women that struggled with
		
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			it, of one, yeah, maybe there are.
And
		
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			so many women are very,
		
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			very like go getters, you know.
But still, this, this type of
		
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			rhetoric is also in our culture,
SubhanAllah. It is so prevalent
		
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			and so many cultures, yeah,
finding examples of women who are
		
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			who teach the Quran and
		
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			use that boy,
		
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			the woman, the the permission,
		
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			yeah, how can people classes?
		
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			Yeah, man, I'm not teaching right
now. Um,
		
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			it's so heavy on my husband's and
I am not teaching right now. I
		
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			just have a halaka where we
discuss things, and it's like an
		
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			old halaka, but Inshallah, like
people follow me on Instagram or
		
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			Facebook, and that's where I share
my thoughts, my reflections, and
		
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			Inshallah, if I'm doing a class,
I'm going to share it in there,
		
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			you know? Yeah, I'm still thinking
about online, face to face. Oh, my
		
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			God, I miss this. I'm still in
that place in my head, and I'm
		
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			working full time, so I'm trying
to be align my schedule again,
		
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			right?
		
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			Spelling, so people,
		
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			yeah, cartoon Karani. So maybe
I'll type it in here, um, cartoon
		
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			Karani. And while you're typing it
out, if anyone can hear,
		
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			which is, but if clarifying a
term,
		
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			oh, other
		
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			than they deserve label women
that, and that's so real. Label
		
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			woman who call for
		
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			you're breaking up. Sorry. Well,
		
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			I'm so sorry.
		
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			It's been such a gift.
		
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			Thank you. Thank you so much.
		
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			Motivated.
		
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			Bless you,
		
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			I mean, and you as well. Allah,
hey,
		
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			you to learn.
		
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			Oh, sorry about my connection.
		
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			Yeah, it's okay. Inshallah, I'm
reading your lips. I'm going
		
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			better at this.
		
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			It's all good. It's all good. This
has been so beautiful.
		
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			Three words,
		
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			I love you too.
		
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			I.