Jamal Zarabozo – Observations on COVID pandemic

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The 18th annual Masha
nator conference is taking place, with the first lecture being taken by guest Sheila DeMarco. The conference is being recorded and offers a chance for attendees to participate in the live stream. The importance of understanding reality and coping with it is emphasized, along with the need for practice and certification in order to achieve the right conclusion. The importance of scores and being arounditant people is emphasized, and the need for examples and models for people to be seen as being around is emphasized. The importance of community, especially when dealing with racism and discrimination against people of color, is emphasized, along with the need for evidence to support one's claims and research to support them. The conversation also touches on conspiracy theories and the importance of showing evidence to defend one's views.

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			Salam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa salatu salam ala Rasulillah.
While early he was a happy woman Wala. Dear Brothers and Sisters, welcome, everyone to 18th annual
Masha Dinorah conference. We don't have you with us in person but we have you virtually so welcome
one and all. We're very happy for you to be able to join us. And inshallah we would like to formally
begin our three day conference with our first lecture in sha Allah. I'd like to bring on chef Jamal
Zaragoza Allah who has joined our live stream and would like to welcome in on
		
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			so I want to come Felicia
		
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			how are you? How are you doing Alhamdulillah Bananaman Good to see you she has mashallah looks like
I feel like it should be this way, reach out and grab.
		
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			That's a good one that that means a good quality stream that our team has set up Michelle.
		
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			And the team has been working on it Mashallah. And we hope that people have a good experience trying
to make it as real, as interactive as possible as we we definitely miss our regular conferences
		
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			from the Rabbil Alameen. So chef inshallah Wood was yet another Bozo. As you all know, we don't need
a formal introduction. So Jeff, he's our local resident scholar here in Sacramento area. Michela
very well known. You can read his bio on our conference website if you are new, and have not
interacted or benefited from shizuma before. But I don't want to take more time because I would love
to benefit from Gog Matera Bozo and his lecture.
		
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			She has a mal will be sharing with us some reflections and some lessons from this COVID pandemic,
which is very relevant. And we'll be doing that throughout the conference learning and benefiting
from the musharaf and their knowledge and observations. So I'd like to hand it over to Sheila
DeMarco and we have about a good 4550 minute lecture and then we can take some questions if we end
before the hour inshallah.
		
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			Good luck, sit on the lower go to the left. And hamdulillah wa salatu salam ala Nabina Muhammad wa
Sharon Ilhan Omar who allegedly could have I should have won them Hamelin have the horse I'm about.
So I guess. So. I forget what the exactly the title I gave for the the organizers, some
observations. So I'm the law one of the observations that we can already get is even though
sometimes you have to adjust Inshallah, as they say in English, if there's a will, there's a way so
I'm delighted the organizers of this conference did not want to lose the opportunity of interacting
with the community and inshallah having a chance to share with them and bring other scholars bring
		
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			other people from outside of the community to share with you Inshallah, we can all benefit and use
this time that we have in sha Allah to benefit from it. I pray that Allah subhanaw taala makes this
unique conference inshallah a beneficial one and then although we cannot be with one another in
person to interact on the level that we usually do during the Mr. Dinner conferences have,
Inshallah, we will still at least get some benefit, which as I said, is another one of the
observations and one of the benefits that we can get experiencing through this.
		
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			Or this kind of trial that
		
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			we as an alma, we, as a community, and actually the world as a whole,
		
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			as you all know, is, is experiencing. So we've been,
		
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			we've been going through this for almost a year now, the pandemic, and it's obviously something new,
you new, new and unique and for most for most of us, I'm sure that many of us were not alive in
1918, on the last pandemic of this nature hit hit the world. And so for us to, to go through
something like this, and not to reflect and not to
		
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			understand like, what are some of the lessons that we can get from going through an experience like
this? Because obviously, what we're going through it is Allah subhanaw taala who has decreed
everything that we're going through, I mean, this pandemic is not a surprise to all the sudden with
Allah, when Allah subhanaw taala nothing happens in this existence without Allah willing it without
Allah subhanho wa Taala allowing it to exist, but we know that Allah is Al Hakim, Aleem Rahman. We
know that all this fun what Allah is the most knowledgeable he is the wise. He is the merciful
		
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			And so there must be
		
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			if we sit and reflect, we should be able to understand that there must be benefits that we should be
getting from, from experiencing this in our own lives, we can always read about, there's been number
of plagues and so forth throughout history, we can read about them, but to actually go through some,
such an experience, and live through this kind of thing, and get what they call like experiential
knowledge, this is a unique opportunity actually, for us, even though we have to face a lot of
difficulty a lot of hardships make a lot of sacrifices. And as we know, obviously, many people are
dying from this pandemic in the process, but all of this is by the decree of illness.
		
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			And so, in the lectures, if you look at the schedule of this of the conference, hamdulillah there
are a lot of lectures that are basically
		
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			essentially the main purpose is to make us understand a lot of the things that are a lot of the
lessons that we should be getting through
		
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			go going through such an experience. So for example,
		
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			if you look at one of the some of the later lectures, on Sunday, the problem of of of evil,
		
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			or as well as, what is known as a theocracy, so again, these things that Allah has decreed, even
though there's looks like there's a lot of suffering, and so forth, you know, what's, how can they
be some point how can they be some wisdom behind it, that is obviously very important for Muslims to
understand, as they as we go through when we experience these kinds of things, Inshallah, so
hopefully, all of you will make sure to make it to that lecture. And before that they have a lecture
on Toggle or putting one's trust and reliance and Allah subhanaw taala. And before that election, I
will cut avocado believe in Allah's divine decree. And this, these three lectures, they highlight
		
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			something that is very important for us that sometimes
		
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			sometimes we don't remember or think that much about. And that is the relationship between the
reality that we are living, and the things that we see around us and the things that we experience.
The relationship between that and our belief system are Arcada, what we believe about Allah subhanaw
taala. And what we should know about Allah subhanaw taala. In reality, the better that we can
understand our Arcada in our belief system, which includes especially like with these last three
lectures are going to talk about the better and the easier it is for us to be able to understand
reality, and the veteran shallow we can understand reality, the better we were going to be able to
		
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			cope with reality. And that is soulless man without a central revelation, Allah subhanaw taala has
sent lots of the truths and the secrets about this, this reality, it is the believers who have
knowledge, it is the believers have knowledge and Sharla, who can take advantage of that, and turn
to that, and inshallah this will be a guide for them both through the darkest times like pandemics,
as well as through the best of times as well. That guidance, some delays the complete guidance that
helps a believer get through both times difficulties, as well as times of his times, these are also
kind of trial as well. Sometimes they're a greater child because sometimes it's more difficult to
		
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			control yourself when you have the ability to do a lot of things than it is to control yourself when
you recognize that you are powerless or there's not much that you can do. And you just have to be
patient and turn to
		
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			to a list of how to get that and this idea of coping inshallah and understanding and understanding
reality.
		
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			This is, I guess from a secular perspective, you would call this mental health. And since the
pandemic started, there's a lot of people who have issues, mental health issues, you know, they're
having anxiety, they're having stress and so forth. They're having difficulty understanding why
they're going through what they're going through and, and you know, if there's any light at the end
of the tunnel and so forth, so mental health is always a concern for every human being. And
Hamdulillah we have Inshallah, on the schedule,
		
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			more than one lecture inshallah we'll be touching upon mental health
		
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			And then obviously, when things of this nature happen as well, one of the, one of the first things
that sometimes come to our mind
		
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			is the idea of punishment, punishment coming from all this mental Atallah and what's the
relationship between punishment and sins and so forth. So, we, so we also have a lecture Inshallah,
that will discuss that in detail as well coming up. So Hamdulillah this, this conference, and
mashallah the people who arranged the topics of this conference Malasana with Allah, reward them for
their efforts,
		
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			they have hamdullah captured in giving you and will be giving each other specific topics to specific
talks, they will, they will touch upon and show us some of the main
		
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			topics that inshallah in the future will help you get through this pandemic, or at least, allow you
to understand it in a positive way.
		
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			And not allow it to be just something very negative in your life, if you can, if you can imagine
that. And
		
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			so those
		
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			so those are a number of important topics, Inshallah, that are going to have specific lectures
dedicated to them. As you can see, there's a lot of Arpita or belief related issues that are central
to living through times of this nature show. So I don't want to,
		
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			I don't want to discuss those topics too much, I might get a little bit into, into some of them. So
instead, inshallah I want to maybe focus on because if you if you sit and reflect upon what's
happened in the past year, and all of the kinds of like life adjustments that we've had to make and
all the kinds of lessons that we can be,
		
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			that we can get just from, just from observing us as human beings, whether it is observing us as
human beings, or observing us as believers, just by just by observing ourselves Inshallah, we can
actually get a lot of lessons. So, this is, so Inshallah, my lecture is going to be focusing more on
these kinds of observational kind of lessons Inshallah, that we can get, from what, what it is that
we have experienced, and then I'll leave the details of, of those topics Inshallah, that I
discussed,
		
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			to Inshallah, those respected scholars and speakers who will be coming up after me inshallah.
		
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			So, you know, one of the first of all, one of the things that we can see right away, and this, this
was very clear from the, from the, some of the first days of the, of the pandemic
		
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			is that the pandemic reminds us of the importance of number one, having scholars, having scholars
available, and turning to those scores, and listening to those scholars getting other words, the
photos or the, the information from, from those from those scores.
		
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			First and foremost, for most probably for a lot of Muslims, when they think about turning to
scholars, of course, they are thinking about at a fixed level, you know, what are we supposed to be
doing what,
		
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			you know, what is it that we cannot do and so forth. And so, as I said, we kind of saw from from
very early on,
		
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			that when this pandemic hit, we are we as an ummah, and we as a community, we are in need of people
who can guide us and guide us based on knowledge. Because
		
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			as soon as this pandemic hit, or as soon as people started to realize the magnitude of this
pandemic, all sorts of all sorts of questions, obviously.
		
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			Rose questions like, what's the status now of going to the mosque? What's the status now of the of
the Juma prayer? What's the status of Umrah and Hajj? Is it permissible for example, for for people
in authority?
		
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			Let's see, like, people in authority over a mosque or people in authority for example of a Masjid
Al.
		
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			Haram.
		
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			Do they have the right to say, Okay, there's difficult circumstances right now. So we have to limit
the number of people that we're going to allow to come to a mosque and we're also going to tell them
not to pray in the way that they usually pray, you're gonna have to stay you know, six feet apart,
and so forth. There's there are from
		
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			A lot of people from the earliest days of the pandemic, you know, most people, they just think,
okay, the prayers obligatory, you should be praying in the mosque, the prayer in the mosque should
be done like this. How can how can the scores come out and say no, you have to just under under
different circumstances. So
		
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			the one who doesn't have much knowledge, the one who doesn't know the details, let's say of the
example of the processing, and how he guided us under different circumstances and the teachings of
the Quran, for the cases of necessity and so when those without knowledge, they just kind of look at
everything at a very superficial level, and they understand things at a superficial level. And as a
result, unfortunately, many times they demand that that understanding that they have be implemented,
and they they're not willing to accept even what the scores of said. So it is, it is especially in
times of crisis.
		
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			It is especially in times of crisis where you have difficult issues, difficult questions, which need
a score of someone with an in depth knowledge of the Quran and the Sunnah, to be able to weigh to be
able to take the guidance of the Quran, sunnah. And see what kind of science is kind of indicating
for us, indicating for us to fall, of course, the
		
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			issue of vaccinations, and you know, is there something not halal in the, in the ingredients of the
vaccinations? Are they halal and so forth? This is another, this is obviously another big issue
coming up as well. If we leave if we leave these kind of questions to be answered by people who do
not do not have in depth knowledge, then it's very possible that the answers that we get are
incorrect. And when the answers are incorrect, and in cases like this, it's a matter of life and
death. We actually have an example of that nature and in the time of the Pollux incident, where
someone gave a photo without knowledge and it led to somebody dying. So we know that giving photos
		
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			without knowledge and having in depth, knowledge of it sometimes actually can be a matter of life
and death. So we need so this highlights, this highlights the importance of having scholars and
obviously resorting to the scores. And the question of
		
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			the question of having scores. First of all, you know, how many, how many in depth scholars do we
have in the Muslim ummah right now to the different Muslim, for example,
		
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			communities in the United States? How many do they have? How many are there going to be in the next
generation? Do we have parents who are now grooming their children and trying to steer them in the
direction of becoming scholars for the sake of Allah subhanaw taala or are people as a whole, you
know, kind of, either out of fear or the chasing after this dunya they're pushing all the children
in a in a certain direction. So this, so this pandemic, it highlights, once again,
		
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			it highlights once again, the importance of having knowledge, having scores, who have in depth
knowledge, who will give us the appropriate fatwas and will guide us in the right direction. And as
I said, many times, this is a matter of life of life and death.
		
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			What I
		
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			felt was just one thing, you know, that is, I think, unfortunately for many Muslims, their
understanding of Islam is also sometimes a very superficial kind of like external understanding of
Islam. To them is that means to pray and to fast and you do those our kind of action. But obviously,
Islam and true Eman 20 minute goes much beyond much beyond that. And it's what is what is in the
heart, it is what is in the mind, it is it is it is all about what the person is really all about in
in a holistic sense. And, again, it is especially during times like this, where people can have
crisis, what is what they call what many people call a crisis of faith. They cannot understand why
		
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			Allah subhanaw taala may allow and decree such things to occur as a pandemic. And for them, it just
doesn't make any sense at all that I was fine with the islands allowing all people to suffer Allah,
Allah, Allah, Allah is allowing young people to suffer and so forth. And in that, obviously, to
understand that reality, you have to go beyond the fact that we have to pray five times a day and
here's how you pray. You put your hands you put your hands there, and you move up and down. No, you
have to understand the Arcada or the man
		
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			under the belief aspects of the belief aspects of, of Islam,
		
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			to understand what is going on, and it is this knowledge, it is this knowledge beyond I'm not, I'm
not trying to downplay the importance of the of the practical and the ritual and the knowledge of
the ritual acts. And so we'll obviously that is very important as well. But this aspect, but this
aspect of what we actually believe, and how we understand this reality
		
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			around us, this is actually the foundation of what it means to be a Muslim, and the foundation of
what it means to be a believer, you enter into Islam by the shahada, and the shahada is not supposed
to be just a statement on the tongue, but it is a reflection of what you believe in other words, it
is a reflection of, of what you have now understood, and recognized as the reality you understand
it, and you accept it. And it is especially in times of this, of like, what we're going through
nowadays, where this knowledge related to what is in the heart and related to understanding about
Allah subhanaw taala and the reality of this cosmos
		
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			it is this knowledge inshallah that is liberating, it is uplifting
		
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			and inshallah it will be a key for people to get through this reality inshallah.
		
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			And, and as I said, inshallah you have other lectures coming up, especially on Sunday, we'll have
them are special on Sunday, you have other lectures coming up, Inshallah, that will discuss that and
explain that, in more details on Shabbat, I will leave that for those speakers, inshallah.
		
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			But there's another, there's another so, so, number one scores are supposed to give us the right
conclusion Shala we need scholars to find the right fit conclusions, how can we pray under these
circumstances and so forth, can we take the vaccinations and so forth, they also scholars are
		
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			people who are supposed to give us an understanding of the reality of what is going on. And so,
therefore,
		
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			make things clear to us that we understand this is why all of a sudden, without a decrease these
kinds of things over where there is there is also another very important aspect related to having
scores, and being around scholars and having scholars Inshallah, in our, in our presence, because
you want to get beyond the abstract, and you want to be get to beyond the theoretical. And, and so
scholars are also very important to be
		
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			essentially sources of examples for us, they lead, they don't just lead by teaching and by the word,
but they also lead, but they also lead by, by example. And when other people see the scholar leading
by example, that also increases their confidence and increases their faith and so on. But if you
have a scholar, who was saying this is how things how we should do things, and we should be careful
about X and Y, especially during times of trials and difficulties, and then that person doesn't live
up to that, number one,
		
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			it could be the case that that person is perhaps not a true scholar, because a true scholar
inshallah is really going to apply the knowledge that the have those that's the definition Russian
definition of
		
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			have a true score, right in the mugshot law, meaning buddy,
		
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			the ones who have the ones among our servants who have the true fear what was going on with Allah,
they are the people No, is the ultimate.
		
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			So
		
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			but what happens? So what happens is, if you if you have people of that nature, who people are
looking up to, as an example, in that example, is telling them look, this is an extreme situation,
this is a difficult situation, and then they don't live up to the teachings that they are giving,
that they're saying, here's how we should behave in these circumstances. This is This is very
dangerous, this is very harmful. And this is why it's extremely important that scores are people who
are looked upon as to add or looked upon as scores of people of knowledge for them to, to actually
implement and live the example that they should be setting for for others.
		
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			For example, during this during this pandemic,
		
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			we see from a secular level from like a secular kind of aspect, we can see the importance of
examples
		
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			So there were some, there were some studies that were done, a lot of studies have been done during
this pandemic. But in particular, in the UK,
		
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			in the UK, they did a study, or over time, they were studying how people were abiding by the
COVID-19 rules. And of course, you know, there's a lot of talk about how people get tired over time
and this kind of fatigue, when it comes to, you know, especially locked down and so forth. But some
of the studies found, some of the studies found that, that in England,
		
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			actually, the bulk of the people,
		
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			the bulk of the people, for many months, they were actually abiding the head with the court good
compliance with the rules.
		
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			However,
		
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			when
		
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			people with privilege, when people with privilege, you know, those people who are being looked up to
when people would privilege or violating those rules, and especially when it is those people who
are, first and foremost expected
		
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			to live by the rules,
		
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			when they violated when they violated those rules.
		
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			This is what led to a loss of confidence in the rules. And this is what led to a great drop in the
compliance in the UK. Some of you might know, Dominic Cummings, Cummings, who was part of the
government, and he was found, you know, violating, violating the same rules that they had set down
for, for everybody else. And you will see this, you know, Governor Newsom, here and even in
California, we see this over and over time that those people who are like in privileged positions,
		
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			even though many times there are the same ones who are telling us we should behave and this and
that, and this in that manner, and people are listening to them, and they're making sacrifices. And
they're putting up with the constraints that they have to face. But then when they see when they see
these people in privilege, they're the ones who are the first ones to violate these laws and violate
the rules that are meant to help everyone. That's when people lose confidence. And when they lose
confidence, they no longer start to abide by,
		
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			they now start to violate the rules, and the instructions that were given many times by these same
people.
		
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			That violated the rules.
		
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			The most important point that I'm not particularly concerned so much about the exact example.
		
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			But the most important point that I want to emphasize from this is that as human beings, as human
beings, it is not unusual for us to look up to people and to respect to respect people, and to
listen to people. But when those people that we are looking up to and that we're respecting,
		
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			when they when we find that actually they are not living by the same moral principles, and they're
not living by the same standards that they are talking about. Well, that means that that can easily
lead to a situation where we lose trust in those principles that people talk about so beautifully.
And whether you're talking about democracy, for example, or whether you're talking about religious
principles, if those who are expected to live by them, if they are found,
		
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			if they are found to be not living by them, then you should not be surprised if the other people
around them, they lose confidence in those things. And, unfortunately, specifically with respect to
		
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			with respect to Islam, it can even lead to a kind of crisis, faith. So this, this experience that
we're going through
		
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			this experience that we're going through reminds again out the importance of
		
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			specially for those people in positions of authority, those people who are looked upon as respected,
respected individuals and leaders and people of knowledge. It is extremely important.
		
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			It is extremely important that they
		
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			live up to what they're preaching and they live up to what the state will you know, the teachings
that they are conveying. Because otherwise if they don't, and they are the ones who people look up
to as having this knowledge and understanding it in depth, and they're the ones who are not living
up to it, then you should not expect others to live up to it. The same is true by the way with
respect to parents and children. Many times children
		
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			they lose faith in Islam because they hear their
		
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			parents talk about Islam so much. And then they come to the reality that on so many things, their
parents are not living by what they're talking about. And on so many occasions, they are disobeying
Allah subhanaw taala. So they're talking about how great Islam is, but they're not living up to it.
So this, as I said, this pandemic, gave us once again, kind of like a real example of the importance
of having role models and those models, especially people of status, and privilege, they have to be
the one setting the examples for, for everybody else in Shaba, because they are the ones who are
		
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			being looked up to,
		
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			we also
		
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			one of the other aspects that we can also see, again, just kind of like observing what is going on
in this pandemic, is, is the selfishness that many people have.
		
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			And so when you when you think of selfishness that many, many people have the middle, probably the
first thing
		
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			that will come to mind is, you know, like those anti maths kind of people who are those people who
insist on having a party on New Year's Eve and having Christmas gatherings and so what their their
desire to have
		
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			their desire that to have what they want, overrides the general interest in overwrites the knees. I
mean, we are in the middle of a pandemic, the number of people who are who are dying, you know, is
as high as it's ever been during this during this pandemic, and yet people are insisting on a quote
unquote, their rights
		
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			to either party or to not wear a mask or whatever the case, whatever the case might be, so there is
there is this, like, inward looking at my rights, and this is how I should be and this is what I
want, and how this affects others. how this affects others many times gets completely lost. And
obviously, this is this is very dangerous, and from from an Islamic perspective, hopefully
inshallah.
		
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			Hopefully, inshallah no Muslims take that kind of attitude.
		
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			I hope, what?
		
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			My guess is probably many Muslims do take that kind of attitude. And I'll talk about, I'll mention,
now why I say that. First of all, we have to keep in mind,
		
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			we have to keep in mind that we don't have the right to
		
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			put anybody else in a state of harm.
		
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			Even with respect to
		
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			even with respect to plagues, and a plague is similar to pandemic that we're going through the
prophesizing himself either Samaritan be Tom be up for that Hulu cooloola. Way, the worker, we are
the one to be Falletta crucial for like the flu. When the Prophet SAW Selim said that if you hear of
an outbreak of a plague in a lab, do not enter it. What if the plague breaks out in a place while
you are in it, do not leave that place. So the promise I sent him here is giving us very clear
instructions when it comes to question of the plague. So obviously, the plague spreads. And if you
if you are in a place where you are, you have the plague, and you know that people have the plague
		
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			in that area. If you leave that land,
		
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			if you leave that land, you're putting now new people at risk, you don't have the right to do that.
You don't have the right to do it, you don't have the right even to put yourself at risk. If the
plague is in a certain land, you don't have the right to say it's okay.
		
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			I don't care, I'm just going to go ahead and to that land, even though I know that there's a plague
there, this is not this is not the instruction that the Prophet sets in him has given us and the
power system also has told us what are there There is to be no
		
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			there's to be no causing of harm nor reciprocating alarm. So we should not be we should not be
causing harm towards towards anybody else. We should we don't even have the right to cause harm
towards ourselves. So if there's a conflict between
		
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			what we need to do and what we want to do, if there's a conflict between what we need to do, from a
rational perspective, from protecting ourselves and protecting others, and what we want to do that
freedom and so forth. From a Sharia perspective, it's very clear which one it is that we have to
abide by. And then to, you know,
		
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			too, to violate
		
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			principles that have been set there to protect people as a whole, in the name of personal freedom.
		
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			This is not correct from from a Sharia perspective. But with respect to Muslims in particular,
there's another area, or another way in which Muslims
		
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			let's say, like violate this principle in a sense, and this is with respect to
		
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			what they envision their relationship to Allah subhanaw taala is, and as I said, unfortunately, many
people their understanding of Islam is a very superficial understanding of Islam, the only thing
that they know from Islam,
		
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			they don't know things about what is going on in the heart, right? They don't, they don't recognize
that actually what is going on in the heart and your intention to do what is right, and your
intention to live by what is right. This is really what is important to all of us no matter what
data and from that should flow, the actions that you should take. No, unfortunately, for many
people, for many Muslims, their understanding of Islam, and what their relationship is supposed to
be with respect to all this data, is that basically, there are certain things that Allah has told us
to do, and I have to do that. So the Juma prayer and I have to go to Joomla, then no matter what i
		
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			No matter what I have to do to get to Joomla. No matter how many, you know how fast I have to speed,
no matter if I have to park in a place that is blocking the fire escape or blocking ambulances or
whatever, it doesn't matter. Because all that matters to me is that basically like the whole world
is revolving around me, I'm supposed to catch the Juma prayer. And that's the understand they
actually think that by doing this, by doing this, they're doing something that is pleasing to Allah
subhanaw taala. And I could actually give you we had more time, we don't have more time, I could
give you example, or after example, of people, Muslims who actually put other Muslims lives at risk,
		
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			just because they wanted to attend the Juniper blocking ambulances, for example, when I when I said
blocking eminences, I'm not speaking on a theoretical level, I'm speaking about something that
actually happened. And the response of the person was, you know, this Juma prayer I have to make
that I don't care about. I don't care about that. This, obviously, this understanding of Islam is
absolutely incorrect. And shows, as I said, there is some kind of superficial understanding of
Islam, that Islam is all about doing certain deeds, and you never excuse from them, obviously, if
doing those deeds are going to be more harmful than beneficial, then for the sake of Allah subhanaw
		
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			taala, for the sake of Allah subhanho wa taala, you don't do those deeds. So for example, during the
pandemic,
		
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			in different parts of the Muslim world, where,
		
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			and I assume probably is happening here, too, but I know of some stories in different parts of the
Muslim world, where, you know,
		
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			the Imams or mosque or the or the governmental authorities, you know, closed mosques, you still
people, you still find people insisting to coming to come and to pray. And probably all of you have
experienced this, this before where
		
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			where people will come to the mosque, and it's clear that they're sick. It's clear that they're
sick, they're coughing, sneezing, and even look like they must be running a temperature or whatever.
I'm not talking about necessarily, now I'm talking about in general, you know, you find Muslims
coming to the mosque, and bringing their children to a mosque and so forth. When they are clearly
sick, it's as if no, I have to come to mind. Because for them, this is the it is the actual coming
and being there, that without that they think they don't have a man or they don't have Islam. So
what is going on in their heart and the relationship of their heart with a listen with data, and
		
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			their understanding that it's what is in their heart that is most important that seems to be
completely gone. And so during this pandemic, where we might have to restrict ourselves, we, we
cannot be going to the mosque, in the same way that we've been going to the mosque and other times
during a time of a pandemic, especially if we feel like we are
		
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			even acts of worship, even acts of worship, that if you if an act of worship that you're going to do
is causing more harm than benefit
		
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			for your fellow Muslims and obviously this is not truly probably this is not truly something that is
going to be Beloved to us.
		
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			Because we know from the Hadith the process the process and I'm say that humbleness Elijah Allah and
far homeliness.
		
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			The most beloved people to understand what are the ones who are most beneficial to the people. And
then the process and I'm continued what happened, Amanda Illa Sorauren, to Hello who Allah muslim,
that
		
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			the most beloved deeds to our son, what Allah is, is a source of happiness that you bring to
bringing Muslim a disease where maybe he or his father or his children are going to end up in the
emergency room and perhaps dying. This is not this is not bringing happiness to your fellow Muslim.
And this is not what Allah subhanaw taala is asking of us, obviously. And in that same Hadith the
Prophet says him continued
		
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			to say, well,
		
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			Willie, I'm sure Ma, if we heard your team, humbly Leia men, and who if he hadn't, Masjid shara, and
for me to walk,
		
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			in order with a brother in order to fulfill his need, is more beloved to me than making ethic AF in
this mosque, meaning the Mosque of the promises.
		
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			Part of our worship of Allah subhanho wa Taala
		
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			is to behave towards other people properly as well. And if there's a conflict between an act of a
ritual act of worship, and causing harm to a fellow fellow Muslim,
		
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			it is very, it should be clear to everyone, it should be clear to everyone that you don't have the
right to cause harm possible death to your brother, just so you can fulfill some kind of act that
you that you think this is, this is how you're supposed to be worshiping someone with that you
aren't supposed to be worshiping Allah subhanaw taala by doing those acts when they are good and
safe. But once you start harming your fellow brothers and sisters, these are not long, no longer the
way in which you are supposed to be worshiping, all of a sudden, what that and, and especially in
this time, this time of a pandemic, where, you know, so many people have lost their jobs, people are
		
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			looking for income.
		
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			Look, they're looking for ways to support themselves, they're looking for food, the food banks, how
many people now are showing up to the food banks that they haven't, you know, they never been there
before. So this,
		
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			this experience as a whole should really bring to us the importance of being part of a community
that we are, you know, we're not just worshipping again, we're not just worshipping Allah subhanaw
taala, by ourselves, but how we're interacting with others is, is very important if we start if we
truly understand our relationship to Allah subhanaw taala. And what is believed, you know, the the
province I sent him one time he praised the Ashanti tribe. He said that when the people of the
strike when they ran short of food during battles,
		
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			or when the when the food industry would run short, they would collect all the remaining food in
like one sheet, and distributed equally among themselves, and the promises and said, for whom many
will earn a minimum.
		
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			The promises seldom said these people are from me, and I am from them. After describing what they
did, how, how they looked after each other, how they took care of each other, when things were
scarce.
		
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			And how they would put things together and just distributed among the among those who needed them,
who needed it, the promises and said, for whom many one a minute. And of course, the process of them
said that they are from me, and I am from them. Of course we know that the reality. The reality,
what we're facing nowadays is not a lack of resources.
		
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			It's not a shortage of resources, but it is a mal distribution of income, or the system, the capital
corporate neoliberal capitalism that we're living under. We are people who are not suffering at all.
And but then we have like the 99 percenters, many of them nowadays, are suffering.
		
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			Even though those other people are not even though those one percenters maybe are just kind of
		
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			taking care of themselves. We as believers, we as believers know that we have an obligation towards
others. The promises of them said Lisa Marino, and levy Yeshe. Bell were Jara Hoja. That the it is
not it is not becoming of the believer, the true believers, not one who he goes to bed and his
stomach is full while his neighbor is, is hungry. So bringing us back to the idea of
		
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			of community, and recognizing that we should be here for one another. This is something that this
pandemic, that has put a lot more people in need. And so makes us really understand the reality of
need.
		
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			This is another lesson that we should be getting from this. And of course, related to that is the
question of racism.
		
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			Racism is a type of room that we see, unfortunately, even throughout the Muslim ummah. And this,
this pandemic, has highlighted, once again,
		
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			the harms of systemic racism, racism,
		
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			both racism, as well as obviously discrimination against the poor, not coming to the,
		
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			to the help of the poor, who gets help, who gets quality, help, and so forth. Many times, everyone
knows, every time
		
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			many times it is based on what money you have, you know, who haven't so forth, how important are
you, and those who are less important, so forth,
		
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			they may not get the help that we need. I mean, though, if you think of essential workers,
		
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			there's a lot of people who are still getting food for us and preparing and, you know, bringing in
food from the from the, you know,
		
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			bringing the crops together, and so forth. These are people who cannot live without, but they are
very poor. And they're probably going to be very low on the, on the scale scale of getting,
		
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			getting the help that they need, what they're around, you know, some people think of racism that
just kind of like blow it off.
		
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			Obviously, as I said, it is a type of volume. And it has ramifications. For example, just to give
one example, before I need to move on. So
		
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			they found that a large number of health care workers and frontline workers, they are refusing to
receive the COVID 19 vaccine.
		
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			So now the vaccine finally came out. And yet, people were shocked why so many frontline workers and
so forth, are refusing to,
		
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			to receive the vaccine. Well, a lot of those frontline workers are black and Hispanic. And so a
study was done among among those people who
		
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			study was done among those people who are who said that they do not want to get the vaccine. And as
I said, a disproportionate number of,
		
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			of those
		
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			of their frontline workers are black and Hispanic, and a disproportionate number of those who are
refusing to take the vaccine, also, black and Hispanic as well. And they found in interviewing them,
that it goes back to racism, they don't have any reason to trust the system, especially the miracle
system. And so there was a time what was known as the Tuskegee syphilis study, and other things that
were done. Tests, you know, the some of the experimental kinds of surgeries were done, on
minorities, and so forth. These are things that people that people who say, they don't want to take
the virus, the vaccine, these are some of the things that they have mentioned, when being asked why
		
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			they're not interested in taking the vaccine. They don't trust the vaccine. So
		
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			as a result of racism, they have been mistreated. And now that racism might be coming back to bite
those people who who are racist in the first place. Because if they're not, if they're not going to
get the vaccine, then you're not going to get that herd immunity, right, you need like 80% of the
population to take the vaccine. So if you don't get that herd immunity, it might be your brother or
your sister, or your father or your mother or whatever, who ends up getting the COVID-19 and maybe
ends up dying from it. And when you chase it back, you might be able to trace it back to the reality
that you yourself.
		
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			You will your your people were
		
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			were racist, and that racism is what has led to some of these led to some of these
		
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			developments. I'm pretty much out of time because I know we want to leave the for for some comments
and so forth. So I'll just mention one last thing. And as I said, I'm trying to make I'm trying to
make observations and maybe touch upon some things that may be some of the other topics, some of the
other
		
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			some of the other
		
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			the titles or some of the other topics that they hadn't may not touch upon them so essential. And
one other thing also that I think that is very important, is the relationship between Islam and
science and conspiracy.
		
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			Here's, I think this is also something that if you observe what is going on once again, you can you
can get some interesting points related to this as well, you know, conspiracy conspiracy theory.
		
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			Basically what happens in, you know, any good conspiracy theory is not provable, that's otherwise
it's not a good conspiracy theory.
		
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			So basically a conspiracy theory is you take one plus one and you end up with three, you add a whole
bunch of other stuff, and you end up with three. So the so the evidence doesn't point to it, and you
don't have any clear sign for that, but you make the conclusion that you know, this is what is going
on. Obviously, conspiracy theories can be very dangerous,
		
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			and conspiracy theories, you can find them oftentimes throughout the Muslim world.
		
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			Conspiracy theories are also used against Muslims. So basically, when we insist that people be
objective, when, when we insist, for example, that Islamophobes be objective, and not make up
conspiracy theory about Muslims, then we also have to do the same as well. We also have to be
objective and not get into conspiracy theories, either about vaccinations or whatever the case might
be. Because if we do that, then
		
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			if we don't, you know, if we don't live up to these principles, then what happens is also the
conspiracy theories can be used against this as well like like for example, this was now many, many
months ago months ago. But in India, for example, there was a movement calling for the boycotting of
Muslims. There was different occasions in which Muslim poor tact which he goes to happens throughout
the India different times. But in this particular case, in this particular case, what was what was
fueling a lot of this anger towards Muslims. And the harm that was being inflicted upon Muslims was
a conspiracy theory that came out that the Muslims are intentionally trying to spread the
		
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			Coronavirus and they talked about
		
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			Corona, jihad, Corona terrorism and these, you know, these are hashtags that went viral or viral on
social media. They pointed to a meeting of the Tablighi Jamaat in Delhi and they said you know, this
meeting was held there on purpose for the purpose of spreading the Coronavirus and so forth.
		
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			So, the problem is that, you know, if you are, if you got to be willing to espouse conspiracy
theories and talk about conspiracy theories with respect to others,
		
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			and you are not being your objective yourself, then you cannot demand that they be objective, and
Islamophobes are more than happy to split all kinds of conspiracy theories about,
		
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			about,
		
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			about Muslims. So, one last thing about science and as I said, I need to stop whichever
		
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			one I think about science that we as Muslims understand that everything that happens in this
		
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			cosmos, it is part of the creation of Allah subhanaw taala. And that includes plagues and viruses
and so forth. These are actually part of what Allah subhanaw taala has decreed, and to understand
the reality, and to defend yourself against them, like what the promise I sent him said, if you are
in the land of a plague, don't leave that land. This is called following the ESMA following the
world that causes and we as Muslims have to recognize that Allah subhanho wa Taala
		
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			part of the manner in which Allah subhanaw taala decrees things for this existence, it is through
worldly causes or us and we cannot deny them and we should not. We should not deny it. So a lot of
Christians, for example,
		
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			here in the United States, a lot of Christians, they're like denying that Coronavirus can touch
them. They some of them said I believe in faith in over disease and stuff like that. And then they
think somehow just because you have faith that that means this kind of disease cannot afflict
		
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			obviously our understanding of trials which are what you would want the lectures and show that
there's going to be coming up in which will
		
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			explain inshallah to all of us that that's not necessarily the case on this one, what the others
told us what type of fitness and lead to see when the leadin of aluminum and comparsa that
ultimately with dialysis and fear trial, which will not just strike those who have committed wrong
among you. So these kinds of diseases they are a type of intellect that comes from oversight or
data. They can come to the to the PIs and all
		
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			To the Empires as well, and as I said, Inshallah, you will have another lecture, discussing that in
detail. And so what we as most of the courts we look for as far as the worldly as club, and then we
behave, we behave accordingly so, we don't follow,
		
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			we don't follow, as I said, conspiracy theories. Now, there's a rabbi in Israel, for example, saying
that the COVID 19 vaccine is going to make people gay, and all these kinds of stuff. So we as
Muslims Inshallah, we need to be smarter than that, raise yourself above that inshallah. So, these
are some, some of the observations some of the reflections obviously, there are many more but
there's some Dylan many other lectures coming up and it will touch upon many of the other aspects
and many of the other actually benefits and lessons that we can get by experiencing the thing that
we have experienced, even though we might think about it as something as a hardship as a difficulty.
		
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			In reality, there are lots of benefits that we can get from it, that inshallah moving forward
hopefully moving forward this experiencing this will actually make us better Muslims and think if we
had incorrect ways of thinking before inshallah improve our understanding of our existence in a
holistic sense, and our relationship to Allah subhanaw taala in a holistic sense, as well, I shall
so apologize for running a little late, but hopefully, inshallah I turn the floor now back over to
Omar, I guess there isn't
		
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			that luxury Mark Luffy.
		
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			Still a very, very filled with information and
		
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			some hot button topics during the community that you touched on Mashallah. So this is really, really
good. I think people need to hear more about it.
		
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			We have some time here, I know officially ends at five but this is not gonna break and mother
doesn't come in until another 10 minutes from now. So if you're okay, we can take some questions and
chill.
		
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			Okay, so one question that we have is, you talked about, you know, we don't believe we as Muslims
don't believe in conspiracy theories.
		
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			So that's maybe in theory, right? Practically, we see so many people falling for that, or sometimes
more than falling forward. They believe it, they propagate it and they're Muslims. How do we deal
with that in response to that, and if we see one of our own family members doing it or somebody that
we care for, what's the best way to give advice.
		
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			So even you know, part of our etiquette,
		
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			whatever etiquette even when dealing with non Muslims in doubt, for example, that
		
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			shows us in the Quran, you know how to put Harlequin condoms on you, you have to bring your proof,
you have to bring your proof if you are truthful. So if you ever stood up, you're speaking, you're
speaking something and it is true that you should have evidence should have evidence for it. And in
our data, when we talk to non Muslims, this is an important principle of our data that we can back
up the things that we are, that we are that we are saying. So when it comes to, as I said, when it
comes to conspiracy theories,
		
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			essentially, a conspiracy theory is like one plus one equals three, obviously no conspiracy theory
is going to take off. If they don't have anything unless they are extreme extremist.
		
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			would usually they have like a point they catch a point here and they catch a point there. But they
don't have anything that can prove their conclusion. And they're hoping Inshallah, they're hoping
that people will kind of accept that conclusion. And they will not question that. Okay, yeah, you
highlighted these two things. But those two things don't prove the final thing that you're saying.
And that's what we need to ask of our we ask others, we should ask that of others, which we should
also ask ourselves. So when someone brings, for example, a for example, with respect to
vaccinations,
		
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			and whether or not vaccinations cause autism and so forth, this is one of those commonly held ones.
So sometimes it may require, you know, sometimes it may require actually people to go into, into
detail and to study something. So sometimes it is a case where they're just making a conclusion from
a few things that they saw or heard. And that kind of person, you can, you can you can show them,
look, you're making a logical leap here. You cannot do that you have to you have to find the steps
that will lead to that conclusion. And you put the burden on them to provide that evidence of what
other things like there might be actually some evidence, some studies out there, and those kinds of
		
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			things. I
		
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			Think they require that does require some time and effort. So for example, especially like the
vaccination one, myself personally, a few years ago, I actually sat down and I read, I don't
remember how many studies, there are both pro and con. And it seemed very clear to me that this is
again, another one of those
		
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			conspiracy theories. So sometimes, some conspiracy theories cannot be undone except with a great
deal of knowledge, a great deal of research. And that, again, points to the importance of knowledge
and the importance of people with knowledge that can be respected that are people who are examples
and Choma that people will listen to. So I think you can find conspiracy theories as a whole and to
those two kind of big categories. One where someone is just making a claim based on one or two
points, but doesn't have anything to back it up. And another one where they might even have some
studies that they claim are supporting their conspiracy theory that requires more research and going
		
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			into it, maybe there's there's something or they're not, obviously if it can be proven, it is not a
conspiracy theory.
		
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			Right.
		
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			I mean, you make a good point that people that are affected by, you know, knowledge coming from
different sources. I mean, there are a lot of people that are believing in these things are reading
them off of social media and maybe unverified sources. While on the other hand, we see some of them
are shy, or people of knowledge that also happened to be involved in the field of medicine or, or
whatnot, are coming forward and telling people, you know what the facts are. So it really comes down
to where they're getting their information from. And again, just as you said,
		
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			the point that you just made highlights, again, we need people who are people of knowledge, and not
just very specific, how to pray, but sometimes also in a very holistic sense as well.
		
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			Let's see if we have any other questions before we end here.
		
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			So to our viewers, we do apologize, there's a chat feature that we have, where we can take questions
and there's having some technical issue there. But we will have that fixed momentarily. Inshallah we
do have another break coming up. So make sure that that comes up. But That basically sums up what we
had for a question. Let me ask the team if there's any other any other questions, they see.
		
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			Nothing
		
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			Yeah, questions. Questions are not mandatory during a pandemic.
		
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			No, but mashallah, you have to you touched on some really good issues. And I know there's there were
questions coming in and from the law, at least we got one of them answered, very well handled, local
affair. So I think with that we can go ahead and conclude get people ready for sloty Multilib. And
for the next session coming up, we really appreciate your time. She XML May Allah Allah bless you
and your knowledge and make us all benefit from beneficial knowledge and Sharla always nice to have
you in our conference. And we appreciate your your time and your benefit, but
		
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			we don't have the same background. This is what I'm trying to figure
		
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			this Michelle the team helped with it on the Lila and we can we can send you the graphics inshallah.
The Lakisha as their
		
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			local aphasia is the team mashallah Marcela Fagan chef May Allah Allah protect you have a look Allah
medical Luffy
		
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			All right, so brothers and sisters in sha Allah, we're going to transition to a break coming up. And
as you know, the next session after the break is