Jamal Badawi – Social System of Islam 14 – Position Of Women In Islam Spritual Aspect

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The host discusses the negative views of women in Islam, including the belief that they are not the ones who make decisions and have their own personality. They stress the importance of achieving spiritual equality for men and women and provide examples of cases where women are required to fulfill certain deities. The speakers also touch on restrictions on women's prayer, including fasting, and the pressure on women's prayer during the cycle. They suggest that women's ownership of prayer may be a problem for those who aren't familiar with the culture.

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			In the Name of God, the benevolent the Merciful, the creator and Sustainer of the universe, peace
and blessings upon the servant and messenger Muhammad forever. I mean, I bear witness that there was
no God worthy of worship except the one true God. And I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger
and slave servant of God, I greet you, with our usual greeting on the program, universal readings of
peace. It's a reading that has been used by other prophets from Abraham through the prophet
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon them all. Assalamu alaikum, which means peace be unto you. I'm
your host, Hamlet Rashid. Today we have our 13th program in our series dealing with the social
		
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			system of Islam. And we'll be looking at the position of women in Islam. In a special reference to
the spiritual aspect, I have joining me on the program as usual. Dr. Jamal Baddeley, of St. Mary's
University, about the demand for money from cinema. Before we go into this discussion of the
position of women in Islam, a special reference to the spiritual aspect, I wonder if perhaps I could
ask you to go back and very quickly highlight the main points that we touched on in our last program
where we did a comparison of the position of women in the Judeo Christian
		
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			and Muslim scriptures to what we continued with that
		
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			particular area of comparison, by looking into the question of dealing with women in the case of
*, how they are treated, compared both in Islam and according to the Bible, as it appears in the
in the book of Deuteronomy, particular chapter 22. We dealt also with the case of a man accusing his
wife of committing adultery, as we find in the book of Numbers in chapter five, and what procedures
are to be followed, and also with the view of marriage, dowry, divorce, the consent of girls in
marriage, which in which we quoted the dictionary of the Bible and encyclopedia biblical, and we
indicated that Islam was quite different from those viewers that assumed automatically or almost
		
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			automatically that killed a woman.
		
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			We move in towards the end of the program to the comparison with the New Testament. And he indicated
that it is important even when we look or before we look actually into the new testament to look
into the heritage of the old testament to get a better picture and see how things progressed or
changed throughout history. We said that as far as Jesus himself a peace be upon him,
		
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			there is no recorded statement, at least that I know of which is against women are negative.
		
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			But unfortunately, the so called second founder of Christianity, Paul, seem to have repeated again,
this Old
		
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			Testament type of views about women. We call it particularly the First Timothy, chapter two in the
first Corinthians chapter 11. And in Second Corinthians also referred to his various
		
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			pronouncements on women that they should keep in silence should not teach and all these kinds of
things. And then we have seen that the views of * did not seem to end with him. In fact, it
seemed to have persisted quite for quite some time. We caught it from various famous Fathers of the
Church about their attitude towards women, which were very, very negative. Indeed.
		
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			If I may add one quick thing also, that even until the 20th century, I think some people may feel
that this there's some trace of this attitude. For example, in 1977, the poor decision on the
question of ordaining a woman included statements like this, it says the Catholic Church does not
consider herself authorized to admit women to priestly ordination and getting the reason he says
that priests must have natural resemblance to Christ. If a woman celebrated mass, it would be
difficult to see in the minister the image of Christ, which again reflects that, again, the main
image of God. And this is the first thing in Islam that a Muslim does not have any male or female
		
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			image of God because there is no material image of God in Islam at all. So the continuation of that
seem to have been part of history.
		
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			Okay, well, we'll turn our attention now to
		
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			clustering examination of the position of women in Islam itself. I wonder if perhaps I could begin
this program today by asking you to
		
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			Share with us your bases basic thesis on the mountainous method. The basic thesis, which I hope
would be amply clear, with evidence and documentation from the Quran and the saying of Prophet
Muhammad peace be upon him is that there is no
		
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			religion that I know of philosophy or way of life, past or present, that has dignified woman
restored to her her humanity, dignity and rights, more so than a standard,
		
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			invades, if there was if there was, if there is a will be at any point of time, or any place any
deficiency in the practice of these teachings of Islam on the part of men or women or both. It has
nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. It is something that cannot be ingrained, or documented
from the scriptures of Islam. It just like saying that if people do not abide by the rule, then the
rule is wrong. The opposite is true, the the rule is there, if Muslims, as groups or individuals at
any point of time or any place, did not apply those rules, it is their problem, and not the problem
of the robot to interpret in terms of teachings of Islamic law, what the Quran and what the saying
		
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			of the Prophet, indicate about the position of woman is something that cannot really be superseded
by any better or superior view at all, you will see that as you're gone. This has an important
implication for Muslim women in the Muslim world today, who are seeking to improve some of the
corrupt and improper practices that might be done.
		
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			treatment that would not be consistent with the standard law, that for those women, once they
understand the nature of Islamic law, then the foundation of their reform calls should really be
based on Islam, not other philosophy, or not other way of life, because there is enough in Islamic
heritage in Islamic law, to provide the best solution for the problems. Indeed, even for non Muslim
women who might be confused. In this whole supermarket of ideas in the conflicting shades of so
called liberation and feminism and all that. I think for them, even they might find something
interesting, and educational, in the Islamic system.
		
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			Dealing with with women,
		
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			the topic covers, or could be dealt with from a variety of ways the stretch on human aspects, the
rights and position from the economic point of view, social or socio political, as some people might
wish to call it. These are on various angles that could be explored in some depth to see whether
this thesis extends or not.
		
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			Well, perhaps we could follow the basic outline that you've suggested, and begin by clarifying the
position of a woman in Islam from the spiritual viewpoint. Okay, one point that was covered in
previous programs, I need not to repeat it. To start we're going to talk about the spreadsheet thing
that we indicated that woman is not regarded as the one who's responsible for tempting Adam or the
blame to be blamed for the first sin.
		
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			And the other thing that he discussed about attitude towards verse and cycle and all that, and how
that was different. So I'm not going to repeat that since we have already covered it in previous
programs. But I'd like to add one more thing before I quote from the Quran as to how women are
guided is that up until the sixth century.
		
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			In the later parts of the sixth century, some religious conferences were held, including one in
Rome, famous one, in which the major topic for discussion was two things.
		
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			One, does the woman have a soul? Secondly,
		
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			should be should the women be considered as part of human being?
		
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			energy and that was a religious conference. Again, that was nothing surprising in view of the
attitude that we discussed before about women in the in the Old Testament and the continuation of
views.
		
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			But after the in the final resolution, it says after long can very heated discussion. The conference
with a small majority agreed
		
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			to answer both questions positively that yes, woman does have a soul and she's part of human
creation, and he is a human being with a slight majority.
		
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			In view of this, of course, today, it might sound quite strange that no one would question
		
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			or raise an issue as to whether a woman has a soul like humans or not.
		
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			Today, it's not strange. But what might be quite interesting
		
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			is that in the midst of this kind of views, in the seventh century also the Quran was revealed the
Prophet Muhammad shortly after this conference was held less than 30 years old. But
		
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			in chapter four in the Quran, first verse,
		
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			it says, all mankind, keep your duty to your Lord who created you from a single soul and have same
kind
		
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			of the same type of same kind of soul he created Smith, putting an end to all questions and
arguments that could be raised about the spiritual nature of women, just like men is she is also a
creation of God.
		
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			And the chapter seven in the Quran verse 189, it repeat the same thing talking about God creating
the first mankind was gonna come in has an agenda and from it created its myth that is again of same
kind. And when the finances from it, as indicated in a previous program does not necessarily mean
from physical rip.
		
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			Indeed, there are three verses in the Quran that shows that it is not necessarily used to refer to a
rip, because men hair is used there
		
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			in the plural, and physical in a plural sense, which does not necessarily two references to that
could be found in chapter 42, verse 11, Chapter 16, verse 72, and chapter 30, verse 21, using the
plural
		
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			form.
		
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			The Quran also indicates in 32, nine and 1529, that when God created
		
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			the human who breathed into him, of his spirit, and it doesn't say when He created man, the human
humankind, which shows that any human being is created by God, and God breathed into that do of his
of himself, in a sense, not physically, but in a sense of every human being have the basic
spirituality ingrained in his pure innate nature, the knowledge of God no distinction whatsoever
between male and female.
		
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			Continuing our
		
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			examination of the little bit further, is there any explicit explicit indication in the poem that a,
		
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			a believing in righteous woman is rewarded in the same way as a believing in marches, man?
Absolutely, I give you three, explicit among many other explicit statements that could be found in
the Quran about this just for shortness of time. In chapter 74, for example, verse 38.
		
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			It establishes the basic rule, that every soul not every man or woman, every soul
		
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			wouldn't be held in pledge of its deeds, condemned simply Mecca. savasana, don't say every man, what
shows again, that in terms of responsibility before God, there's no distinction between men and
women.
		
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			Secondly, in chapter three, verse 195, describing the delivery, as the de Belem, Rubbermaid says, In
the translation, so, their Lords accepted their prayers, saying, I will not suffer to be lost the
work of any of you, whether male or female, you proceed one from another,
		
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			absolute equality in this, and they notice the beauty of the expression you proceed one from the
other, a woman proceeds from men the sense of the seed, and then proceeds from the woman being
endowed. In fact, every man and woman has to go first to the one but of another, which is a sample
again, of the significance of the role of motherhood. And the third condition is even more explicit
in chapter 16, verse 97, in the Quran.
		
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			In the translation again, whoever works righteousness, male or female, this is the texts not between
brackets, indicating male or female, and has faith, very new to him, when we give a new life that is
good and pure, and we will distort on such very world according to the best of their actions. And
like I said, these are only three examples, among many others, which was the absolute spiritual
equality between men and women after our Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said, and you sat with
him and he said, Chicago region, that women are bad sisters of men. That's the way it's supposed to
		
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			be practical manifestations of this spiritual quality in terms of the in terms of religious duties.
Are these duties the same for us?
		
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			The male and the female. Yes, they are basically the same. There are even some additional
concessions even given to women.
		
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			Most of the viewers perhaps are familiar with the so called five pillars of Islam. Yes, the
testimony of faith, the five regular daily prayers, fasting, or charity, and pilgrimage. And we find
that in this fundamental requirements, there is no basic distinction at all between men or women,
they are both required to fulfill those deities. And I say basically, because as I indicated
earlier, there are some cases where women even are exempt, and are given certain concessions, which
are not given to men in consideration of their female nature. Can you give us some clarification as
to the nature of these concessions that are granted to the women run, for example, let's take the
		
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			five daily prayers,
		
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			which is acquired above in the normal circumstances. In the case when the woman is going through
their monthly cycle, or when she's recuperating from childbirth, the postnatal confinement
		
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			a woman is not required, she shouldn't actually, it goes through these five specific prayers.
		
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			The other thing also is during the month of fasting, the obligatory months of fasting in Ramadan,
		
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			every Muslim as a basic rule, men or female,
		
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			who's able that was health commits, should fast between dawn and sunset and there is no food or
drink or matrimonial relationship for that trade. Now, in the case of a woman during the cycle, or
during
		
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			the postnatal confinement, or even a settling mother, a mother was nursing baby breastfeeding, she
may be exempt.
		
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			Or actually, she is exempt, I should say from fasting, but she can make up for that fasting. In some
other times, she doesn't have to make up for missed prayers, but she must make for the fasting,
which was missed in some other time. Another thing is that Jihad are struggling
		
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			in on in a broader sense, as indicated before struggle, or Jihad means struggle against even in one
sense, even in society, next social injustice, and even in the world, which may be partly engagement
in the battlefield to defend the country or to remove journey.
		
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			In that case, we find that this could be a requirement for men.
		
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			It's actually a collective requirement. But in terms of individual cases, it could be a capacity for
men, but it cannot be compulsory for women. And it cannot be drafted, for example, within Islamic
teaching against their will, of course.
		
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			But there may be some who would suggest that there's a hierarchy here, and least concessions, what
would your response be to those who see these concessions as implying, perhaps a lower status for
women? And you know, how would you respond to those people would ask, Well, why can't women worship
God because of certain natural body functions? What my first reaction to that it's almost like
somebody's throwing the gifts in the face of one who get it together. Let me illustrate that. Let's
take the question of fasting.
		
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			Now, if element fests and she's not taking any food, or fluid in inequity, between dawn and sunset,
why he is recuperating, from childbirth, is that really a lower status, or is that attenders
consideration of her pain and suffering, just as again, the case of the monthly cycle, which again,
affects the body, physiologically, and psychologically also, probably would not be a state where
she's really
		
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			prepared for that? If a woman is nursing, a baby, and we know that as medical doctors say that she
should take lots of liquids to get milk flow, and she doesn't take any liquids for 12, sometimes 16
hours? What kind of treatments would that be? How about the welfare of the child and her own welfare
and hit on him? So what what kind of lower status is there in this? The second part is that when
people for example, say, Why can't she worship God, who said that she cannot worship God. He said
the word worship in Islam or abandon the equivalent roughly means that all actions in your life
could be regarded as continuous acts of worship, so long as you're doing it correctly, and you're
		
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			doing it within the wind or boundaries that God has set. There is nothing that forbids the woman for
example, from doing other acts of charity, like, you know, paying charity to the poor or whatever.
But this restrictions or concessions in intense
		
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			Prayer or fasting is something that relates more to the requirement and the specific nature of
prayers. You see, when we say here in the West prayer, somebody might say supplication like praying
to God, oh God, oh Lord, help me in this and that a woman is not prevented in Islam from making this
kind of prayer, journal prayers at any time,
		
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			whether in the cycle or after childbirth at any time, it doesn't matter. Nor is she prevented even
from reciting Quran from memory, if she wants to during this period. But what confuses some people,
perhaps is that prayer in Islam.
		
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			When we talk about Salah, we're talking about one specific form of prayer which is done five times
every day, which has certain prerequisites, evolutions and cleanliness for both men and men, men and
women, which requires also certain movements. So in that specific ritual,
		
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			the woman is not supposed to do it when she's bleeding for example, and there is an equivalent for
men nothing things of bleeding first, but in the case of men, for example, he cannot also perform
this ritual prayers
		
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			after a matrimonial relationship unless he takes a bath. And the same thing applies to women and
applies in addition to the case of cycle or postnatal confinement. But after pleading stops, she can
just take a bath and resume and her prayers. In other words, it's, it's more really I insist a
		
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			concession meaning rather than
		
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			a restriction or when others another contentious area that
		
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			is often raised by many non Muslims, or Muslim friends, and this whole question of the ordination of
women, many churches now and the general Christian communities are beginning to accept the
ordination of women.
		
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			How would you respond to somebody who raised this apparent contradiction? Well, the first response
is that there is no ordination of men either.
		
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			You see, in Islam, there is no concept of church as a sole religious institution that is the source
of all directives. And as such, there is no clergy in Islam, there's no church, no clergy in Islam.
		
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			And if there is no clarity, then there is no admission. Exactly. There are scholars of course,
people who specialize in Islamic Studies, just as people specialize in chemistry or other areas, it
could be authorities in the field or could act as religious leaders. Sometimes in the Muslim world,
those people might be given different titles in different cultures or places. But essentially, as I
said, it is quite different from the common notion understood by church or clergy. So there is no
audition for men either.
		
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			Secondly, the the question of ordination is irrelevant also. And has nothing to do for example, with
the view that was held for too long in the church. And until this time, also, in some, some
churches, that element cannot be ordained because she's not the she does not represent the image of
God because she's a female, because as we said before, for a Muslim, there is nothing called male or
female image of God. But even in the in the western context, or Judeo Christian context, what are
the functions of a priest or priestess, if you will,
		
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			two things, basically, to conduct rituals, and secondly, to offer services to the community and
religious education. Now, in a sense of the first one, the particular rituals, we find that any
standard framework, some of those rituals are not so much emphasized in Islam, there are very few
things that has to be done in a particular way. So the the ritual does not constitute a major part
of Islamic teaching. And secondly,
		
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			even in those lectures, like the five special daily prayers, the format of those prayers makes it
quite obvious for anyone who is familiar with that, that element, it is not appropriate for a woman
actually to need those prayers, considering the format and the nature of those prayers. As far as
the second basic function of a priest, male or female, as it enters his teaching, or services to the
community of videos, and I know of no restriction, basic restriction. It's all in Islamic law of
element being engaged in Islamic education at any time during had life without any question of
donation because there's no definition for either male or female. So the question may be applicable
		
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			in Judeo Christian context, but in Islam, it is irrelevant. Well, there's another question that
grows out of what you've just said. And that is
		
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			question on the leading with affairs and so on. Many people who are non Muslims have difficulty with
this
		
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			situation where women are not permitted to lead prayer. So women, for example, there
		
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			are placed in the back position of the of the mosque during the prayers and religious instructions.
And some people would argue, Well, look, isn't this second class, second class status? The question
is understandable, because sometimes,
		
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			unless you put things in the proper context, it may appear. So
		
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			I recall,
		
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			the issue was discussed also partly in the series on Pillars of Islam. But just to make cross
reference, perhaps it would be good to remind some of the viewers of what you mentioned that you see
in the Muslim prayer, it is not just some people sitting and supplicating. It has special moves
which involve frustration to the ground, which leaves us with three possibilities either that women
should be in front of men barreling up and down in front of them, or
		
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			in the same line, and in Islamic prayer, a person should stand shoulder to shoulder and foot the
foot. So mixing men and women men and women standing in the line touching each other with this so
much body contact, or that woman should be in the back. But obviously in highly structured act like
the this Islamic prayers, which involve this motions and closeness and body contact, it would be out
of questions and need to have women stand next to men and stick concentrating on their prayers, or
stand in front of them and bow down. I suspect women themselves would not prefer to bow down and
frustrate to the ground while men are watching behind them. So the ontological place in the back, it
		
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			has nothing to do whatsoever with the with the status. It's simply the etiquette and the proper
		
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			modesty that is observed or should be observed by both Muslim males and females. So it has nothing
to do with the spiritual status at all. One final question to conclude today's program, and that is
the
		
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			this is a question on AI applicable to Islam, but other religions as well.
		
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			The question might be asked, Well, why were all of the profits male?
		
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			Does that suggest that religions are male oriented?
		
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			Again, to put it in sanctuary state, I cannot answer for other reasons. But in Islamic perspective,
first of all, the prophet is not selected does not select himself are not selected by people. So
there is no question of male or female bias is selected by God. And God is neither male nor female,
and has no interest in siding with one * or the other. Secondly, the prophet, at least as
understood in Islam, is not just a person who has the gift of prophecy, because there is nothing
that says only men can have the gift of prophecy, or God inspiring them to see things that may
happen in the future, it could happen to men and women. But in Islamic context, a prophet has a very
		
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			important responsibility beyond just prophecy. And that is to
		
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			strive against evil in society, to always mix with people and going public and face all kinds of
hurt. And opposition, as we know from the history of the prophets. He is also an emitter of the
believers in the not on the rituals, which we described, again, appropriately in Islamic context
should be led by men not that he's better but because of the nature of physical contact.
		
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			He leaves the believers in that confrontation against the enemies like we find in the case of
prophets, Moses and G and Hamlet, basically upon them, even sometimes in a battlefield or semi
battlefield.
		
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			giving this functions and jetties of a prophet
		
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			as you know, it would not be
		
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			quite easy for a woman to perform this job. Imagine, for example, a woman who's pregnant,
		
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			inviting some unbelievers onto the face and disturb stoning her as they did to Prophet Muhammad, for
example, peace be upon him when he went to the city of authority when his feet was bleeding. So
suppose you have a prophetess was pregnant, and she's subjected to this kind of abuse, in tortious,
in treatment, so it's not that she's not qualified or does not have any spiritual qualities, as fine
as men's, but it's simply because of the nature of hurt and suffering that prophets has to go
through that requires and not appropriately, me to go through it. And not every day, by the way,
that's next special needs also, with the fortitude to resist and to take on this certain
		
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			opposition. Well, we'll have to leave it at that. We want to thank you for being our guest Assalamu
alaikum peace beyond you. Join us next week.