Jamal Badawi – Jesus 43 – Trinity Atonement Blood Sacrifice 10 Crucifixion 2

			Welcome you once again to the stem focus.
		

			Today's program will be our 43rd series, Jesus delivered this feature of our law and it will be our
test on Trinity, atonement and birth sacrifice. Last week we started on crucifixion and today
inshallah will continue. I'm your host and Shawnee Mission here once again from St. Mary's
University is Dr. Jamal Arsenal I can look
		

			at the Jamal, could you please give us a very quick summary of last week's program? Okay, first of
all, it was indicated that this notion of Jesus dying on the cross was is not as unanimous as it
appears
		

			that there are those who believe that Jesus was saved from the cross and someone else was crucified.
And we said that this is not only the belief that is common among Muslims, but there are also some
Christian sects in the early days that believed in the same thing that there are some documents that
were discovered later, like the Gospel of Barnabas, St. Barnabas, and the, the natural Hammadi
scrolls, which seem to point basically the same thing. We began to examine this issue of crucifixion
from the standpoint as to whether the crucifixion was a fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies.
And we have seen again that in some cases, many people have been taking bits and pieces from
		

			prophecies. But if one examines those prophecies quite carefully, it will show that Jesus was saved
he was raised, and the one who plotted against him actually was punished. More specifically, we
discussed three key songs. The first one was some number 22, which has statements that might sound
attractively, in the beginning as applicable to crucifixion, like God, God, why have you forsaken me
the vision of the garment, piercing of hands and feet, counting the bones. But by examining the
context, it showed that this applies to the invasions by the Amalekites, of ziklag. And that, if we
even for the sake of argument ticket, as applicable to Jesus, it shows that he will, he will be
		

			delivered, and the one who betrayed him will be put to shame. We also examine briefly some numbers
31 and 34. And again, we said some writers have a tendency to pick bits and pieces that does not
really make
		

			complete picture, like in by hand, I committed my spirit, somebody was corn, his bones will be saved
intact. And by analyzing each of them separately, we have seen again, that basically, it shows that
that person, if you apply to Jesus was saved actually was not killed, or crucified. And finally, we
indicated that there are several prophecies, especially in the Psalms of David, which shows
		

			that there is some credibility for the theory that it was Judah, Scarlet who was crucified, instead
of Jesus, that it's not something that can be dismissed easily, according to the prophecies
		

			wouldn't be possible if you could give us some other examples, which would shed light on this
interpretation. Well, let us take, for example, the other sounds that might show again, whether
there's some consistency in this interpretation or not.
		

			These are some numbers 3537 and 41.
		

			In this songs, you find statements such as people who made false witness, again, is the person who's
making that prayer.
		

			a righteous person who says that the one who ate his bread actually turned his heel against him.
		

			Let's look at this at each of this rather quickly. In the 35th Psalm,
		

			we find a righteous person who make a prayer First of all, that God will put to shame and dishonor
those who plot against the life of that righteous person
		

			to
		

			that those who plotted our notice the word thing turned back on
		

			Wouldn't be turned back and confounded. I just like to make a footnote here. In the Gospel According
to john chapter 18, verse six, it says that when the soldiers came to arrest Jesus, and he came to
them and said, I am he, then they turned back and said,
		

			three,
		

			it also indicates that the enemies of that righteous person have head and neck
		

			or bad.
		

			See, and that that righteous person is praying that those who hit back net will actually be ensnared
by and otherwise they will fall in the tip, they made it for him.
		

			Firstly,
		

			it speaks also quite clearly that that person will be saved, the righteous person will be saved will
not be killed, as we find in verse, verses 24 and 27 of that song,
		

			complete, integrated picture, some number 37.
		

			Again, it speaks about a person who is wicked, plotting.
		

			Again, a righteous person
		

			talks about people who want to slay that righteous person. But it says that the Lord will less
advocate in verse 13,
		

			that those who plot will fail. And notice here in verse 15, their souls will enter into their
hearts. In other words, the thing that they want to do to Jesus will be done to them, their swords
will enter into their hearts, and that God will never forsake that righteous person in verse 33,
will uphold him in verse 17. Again, an integrated pictures of ISIS who saved and the flutters to be
punished, Jesus versus Judah,
		

			invert and based on number 41.
		

			Some writers take one verse, that's what I call bits and pieces approach. Take verse nine. And they
say that the person who is praying there say that the one who was closest to him who ate his bread,
turned his heel against him. And they say, look, this is exactly what happened with Judah. Actually,
in the Last Supper, Jesus gave him even the morsel of bread, as some writers in the New Testament
say, and they say, clearly it applies to Jesus. What they forget, however, are three points. One,
this son clearly indicates that God will deliver, deliver, or save that righteous person in the day
of the trouble. That's one, two, that God will protect him. And in verse two, it says, we'll keep
		

			him alive. That's pretty, that's pretty straightforward, exact will keep him alive, it didn't say he
wouldn't be crucified or
		

			three, that righteous person is praying to God to raise him up, so that his enemies will not prevail
over him. Find that in verses 10 and 11. To me, if you take against that
		

			proposition, that is what Jesus was saved and raised before the cross, and Judas Iscariot, who was
punished in his place, in whatever method, I think we described that in a previous occasion,
		

			whether his face changed and looked like Jesus and caused him to be punished, and crucified for his
betrayal. But in any case, in all of these songs, the elements are quite clear, somebody is making,
digging a pit, or setting a net,
		

			to ensnare Jesus, but they themselves get ensnared, Jesus will be saved and is to heaven. Well, this
sounds sounds quite, quite exciting, actually. And maybe, maybe we should elaborate on this. If you
could
		

			maybe elaborate by giving other references. I mean, this this does seem to contradict and different
from the common notions that Yes, it does. And I'm sure for many of our brothers who are watching
perhaps this might be the first time they ever heard of it, even though it's certainly quotations
from the Bible. And in many respects, it's based also on the work of many biblical scholars, and you
stated the references. Exactly. Let me give you four more examples just to see you know, where we're
going from there.
		

			Take some number nine.
		

			Again, this has been one of the Psalms that some people refer to as containing things pertaining to
the crucifixion of Jesus. But if you take the sum as a whole, you will notice that it contains, I'd
say, six basic points to some
		

			Rather than reading or spend all the time reading, you can go ahead and read it some number nine,
first of all, righteous person who offer thanks to God because He did some wonderful deed or
something unusual to him. One,
		

			two, that the enemies of that righteous person stumbled and perished, stumbled and perished, they
were turned back. Remember what we said about study of is to Jesus very similar to some 35. Three,
that God
		

			is the stronghold of the oppressed in the time of traveling
		

			for that the rescue of that righteous person will be by lifting him from, quote, The gates, OR gates
of death,
		

			from the gates of this very close to the time of crucifixion, and that's in verse 13,
		

			that this righteous person number five, will rejoice because of his deliverance.
		

			Six, that those who made a threat or head and neck are the ones who are going to fall into it,
verses 15 and 16. Now, if we take that righteous person to be Jesus peace be upon him, I hope nobody
would dispute that he's definitely a righteous person who was about to be crucified as bad grades of
death as the sound quality, because of a net or a trick
		

			played by Judah and his associates, and that God's saved Jesus in the time of trouble, and that
those who tried to conspire against him, actually are the ones who were punished. And that's why
that servant of God rejoices because God lifted him
		

			a complete picture, second exam, some numbers 20.
		

			Again, we find similar, righteous person prays to God in the day of trouble. Secondly, that God will
help his anointed with mighty victories, I should stop for a footnote here.
		

			And note, it actually comes from the Hebrew machine.
		

			machine, which means Christ, or anointed means that, but in several places when its uses the term in
reference to Jesus,
		

			the translators of the Bible use the term Christ.
		

			when something does not fit Jesus, because the anointed here would have victory and will not be
crucified instead of translating his Christ. They translated anointed, but it's actually does it
serve his Christ, if he wants to stick to the same standards of translation, that's in verse six
mighty victories might be something beyond our imagination beyond his power as an individual.
		

			The fifth element is that the enemies again will collapse and fall, and that the righteous servant
will rise and stand up. Again, a picture of righteous servant, anointed, or Christ, Jesus peace be
upon him, receiving the help of God in the most critical moment before arrest, and his enemies would
fall in his place, Judah being arrested in his place,
		

			this is confirmed in a third, some number 21, the following month, which seems to flow nicely from
the previous one.
		

			Because in some points you want, again, that servant of God,
		

			indicate that God
		

			listen to him,
		

			held his prayers, that God gives him life forever, which, of course, could be an allegory that give
him life for a long, long time that, according to Muslim believe Jesus was raised to heaven, and
most interpreters of the currency that is alive, and he will come back before the end of the days.
So that might possibly relate that God will give him life forever or for a long period of time.
		

			And finally, it shows that those who devise evil will not succeed. The fourth one, notice again, the
same basic profile.
		

			Again, try to imagine in this some number 109,
		

			that the one who made that prayer is Jesus,
		

			again, is the one who betrayed him, Judah,
		

			and that Judah actually will be brought to trial and condemned for by mistake to be this.
		

			First of all, in that Psalm, it indicates that God will not be silent, because the wicked have
spoken against the righteous. Even though that righteous person loves them, and prays for them. See
the relationship between Jesus and he said he loved them. He prayed for them, but still, the wicked
conspired or spoke against.
		

			It also says
		

			Or indicate that this righteous person is making prayer to guard against the word kids, that he will
be accused, he will go on trial he will be accused and he will be indicted he would be regarded as
guilty, and that he will be sentenced to death
		

			that his wife will become little and his children will be fatherless.
		

			It also shows that this person, the wicked, saw the curse, but did not respond to the blessing.
Imagine Judah, Judas, this Guardian, having had all the opportunity for holiness because of his
closeness to Jesus being one of the disciple, but he rephrases rejects this blessings, and seek the
curse or seek the conspiracy conspiracy which brought him to crucifixion. And by the way, the word
curse is quite significant. Because according to the Old Testament, in the book of Deuteronomy,
chapter 21, verse 23, it says that anyone who is hand that was crucified is cursed. So in other
words, he brought curse upon him said that is Judas miscarried.
		

			And then it indicates that even if that person keeps praying, after he discovered his mistake, and
his sin, his prayers will not be accepted. But a prayer would be like a sin. Verse seven, finally,
that God saved the righteous person, but not the wicked, and saved him from those who tried to kill
him. And as such, he is offering thanks to his creators, we find that in verses 30, and 31, in all
of these four, as well as the present, and the others, that he covered the picture seem to be quite
clear.
		

			Are there any songs that you're aware of? Where the speaker may be Judah, instead of Jesus? Meaning
instead of someone righteous person playing Yeah, yes, in fact, in.
		

			In the study of some number 69,
		

			you will notice that it appears that the one who speaks there really is Judas, and not Jesus. And it
is rather amazing how some writers refer to the very same Psalm number 69, to say that it applies to
Jesus because superficially some statements here or there might somehow resemble the story of
crucifixion. But what they forget is that the rest of the Psalm, obviously speak about someone who's
a sinner. And this description doesn't apply to Jesus with these reference examples.
		

			In verse two, the person who's playing that song says that he, I think, in deep Maya, for a month.
		

			And that is, of course, an expression of a person who did something very shameful, very bad that he
says, I'm sinking in the mud or sinking into Maya, would that apply to Jesus? Obviously not. It
would apply to Judah, but not to Jesus. In verse four, it says that those who hate me are more than
the hairs in my head, and that they hate me without reason. And make lies against superficial if
it's a part of that may apply these users because they hated him without Of course, and he said
that.
		

			But let us stop, as Tableau help suggests, at this expression, that those who hate me are more than
the hairs in my head. Now, if you go back to the New Testament, you find that Jesus was not hated by
so many people, he was hated by some, not that many. For example, in the,
		

			in the Gustin, in the various gospels, all of them in Matthew chapter four, and nine, in john
chapter six, in Mark, chapter 11, and 14, in all of these ensures that Jesus peace be upon him, was
immensely popular. People really loved him that the great masses loved him so much.
		

			Those who hated him, of course, are well known, the, the the clergy, the priests and those who
follow them. And the expression here is more than the hairs of my head seems to be an exaggeration
could apply to you that perhaps, because of course, generation after generation hated him and still
hate him, for the betrayal that he did to his master, even those who are not Christians, of course,
they would not appreciate a person like that. So you can talk about more than the head, the hairs in
your head, and I don't know how many times I'm sure you're talking about what hundreds of 1000s of
here's
		

			the other thing also is that which is very crucial, in risk five.
		

			The speakers there's acknowledges that he committed sins and folly, sins and folly, and still speak
again in verse 19. About his shame and dishonor. Well, can we really say that Jesus
		

			committed sins and folly, not according to Christianity, not according to Islam. He's well respected
in both that applies more to Judas, not to Jesus. Okay, in verse six, he indicates that those who
have hope in God will be put to dishonor and shame. Of course, again, with the reference we made
before to Deuteronomy, chapter 21, verse 23, that Don whose hands are put on the cross is a cursed,
that doesn't apply to a prophet that applies to Judas.
		

			In verses seven to 12, we find that that speaker, in his moment of distress, recounts his history,
his good deeds that he did before committing that sin and folly, that is before betraying Jesus,
that he was a sincere follower of Jesus, even though it doesn't say in so many words, but you can
see that he
		

			received lots of hurts because of his following Jesus are following that righteous person, that he
had a great deal of zeal for the house of God. So he's just recounting this, in the hopes that God
would save him after committing this folly. Now in verse 21, and that's an interesting part that has
been misinterpreted and applied by mistake to Jesus. He says, They gave me poison for food, and
vinegar to drink and say, Look, in the story of crucifixion, Jesus was giving vinegar, but lots of
stuff at the work in case you can't take it literally here because simply the term vinegar appears,
as john, in chapter 19, verse 29, mentions No, because if you take it, then in that literal sense,
		

			you have to read what they gave him before. Vinegar, he said, they gave me poison. And the person
who takes poison dies of poisoning, not of crucifixion, or bleeding, you see the point. So
apparently, you can't really take it as applicable to Jesus in that case.
		

			The other thing also that we can say that when that speaker usually refers to poison, and vinegar,
it is probably allegorical to refer to his suffering and his and his pains. But it doesn't have to
be literally.
		

			The rest of the psalm
		

			indicates, again, that he is praying for salvation. But this is different from the prayer of the
righteous person, any person, whether he's righteous or not, at the time of distress, he would still
have some hope, and pray to God to serve him.
		

			But again, like I said before,
		

			you cannot really say that this applies to Jesus, as the person acknowledges that he committed many
followers and sins. So what I'm trying to emphasize here is that
		

			the person who was making this prayers,
		

			obviously, it's not Jesus, it's probably Judas. documenta. Were you given excellent examples? Can I
push you into giving any more examples that you may have?
		

			Okay, I give another example on the same line that is prophecies that have been falsely attributed
to Jesus whereby applies to someone else Exactly. Okay. In
		

			Okay, in some number 38, especially verse 11, we find some
		

			evangelists who use that particular reference that 811
		

			the speaker, they says that his friends stood away from him. And they say, look, this is exactly
what happens in the crucifixion that the disciples ran away. You find that in the Gospel, according
to Mark in chapter 15, and 27, the Gospel according to Luke chapter 23.
		

			But if you read that some carefully, number 38, you will find that in verse a teen verse 81,
		

			the person himself acknowledges that he is a sinful person, he says, quote, I confess my integrity,
I am sorry, for my sins, could that possibly apply to Jesus? Obviously not. So that's very similar
to the previous one. What is more amazing also, and that sound number 38. that in addition to
acknowledging his sin, the person
		

			ended indicates are the sun indicates that the rescue not of the person of the righteous against
whom that person plotted will be in a way which is unusual with the involvement of angels. And that
sounds to me quite revealing.
		

			That that is revealing but maybe I'm gonna ask you clarify that and could you give me the phone
number? Do you have within
		

			Yes, I do. In fact, you have found that in some number 91 Yeah, this is
		

			a one to make.
		

			Sales I tried to give various numbers also have some key issues. So that Yeah, please use it to
check on that. First of all, in terms of salvation of the person, in verse, verses one, two and
nine, it describes a person who dwells in the shelter of the Most High that takes that as his refuge
or fortress. Okay to
		

			in verses 347 1014 and 15, it is clearly stated they very, that God the Most High will rescue him
and nobody will came near him, that no evil will touch him.
		

			Three,
		

			he speaks also in verse eight, about the contents or punishment of the wicked, that he will see that
punishment. Remember here again, if the story of Judah, God changing his face to look like Jesus
being addressed, please you just saw that in front of him,
		

			before he was listed,
		

			for that his rescue will be through angels, and that he will be raised up that is before
crucifixion. You can see that in verses 11 and 12. Now, notice here that the use of engine is not
allegorical in that particular case, because the engines were said to have been serving Jesus.
During his ministry, you find that in the Gospel of Mark in chapter one, the first chapter also the
gospel according to to john, another seminary reference also beside the 91 is number 118.
		

			Again, we find the elements of comparisons are quite similar.
		

			But again, we find that some writers
		

			take that to apply to,
		

			to Jesus, for example, in the first Peter, chapter two, verse seven and Roman, 932, and 33.
		

			This has been referred to as the rejected stone that can be the headstone.
		

			But again, if you look carefully into that Psalm, you'll find that is a person in distress, who
prays to God, that God responded to his prayer, give him victory against those who hated him, saved
him, and according to one verse, has not given me over to death. And then it ends by thanking God.
		

			In the short time that we have maybe I'll finish this by asking you what we can conclude from the
study of of the songs. Okay, even though the Psalms are not the only references, but perhaps since
so far we have been discussing basically the sons of David, we find that there are seven basic
elements that Amidon perhaps summarizes in Brasilia called Psalms, one, the conspiracy by chiefs to
kill Jesus, to that they use someone who was trusted by Jesus, that is Judah.
		

			Least interpreted to be Judas. Three, that's when Jesus feels that danger, he will pray to God to
save him. For that that righteous person will make prayer again, is the one who betrayed him that he
will be destroyed. Five, that God will respond to the sincere prayers of that righteous person, and
that conspiracy will fail. Six, that God's will also respond by punishing the person by making him
fall in the same pit that he made for him for the righteous person. Seven, that the way of salvation
or rescue of the righteous person would be unusual by raising him up to heaven. This is really very
interesting indeed. I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you very much talk to Jamal who's going to
		

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