What Is Really Happening In Syria

Isam Rajab

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27-08-2014

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smilla rahmanir rahim hamdu Lillahi Rabbil aalameen

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words good to see malama Botha Ramadan al amin Nabina Muhammad wa sahbihi wa salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.

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Just like en la Hara for being here tonight.

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As you all heard, the topic will be about what is really happening in Syria. And the question is, because people are complaining

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that

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they are not clear

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on what is really going on. And I asked you simply why would be that? Why would someone trying to know the truth is unable? And the answer is very simple. From the beginning, there was

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blocking, there was siege on the media, on everyone trying just to convey what is going on. The problem is, many people forget.

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If you're not living, what's going on, day by day, month by month, you would forget after some time you'd forget, and you say it's just like any other conflict. No, from the beginning, for eight months.

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Anyone who was in contact with the media, anyone who was trying to take any documentation, any evidence to send it outside,

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he will be either killed or persecuted, put to torture. And that happened in many cases, in many ways. One simple case. And this happened to my friend,

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my friend, my colleague, he owns a bookstore, not only a bookstore, where they sell books, but also he is a publisher. And I dealt with him several times, I published two of my books with him. So he owned

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in the city of Duma, this is about 11 kilometers from Damascus, he owned a bookstore, two stories, and he paid a lot of money to do that. And he finished it two years before the revolution started. So one day, and I didn't know because when this happened, he was in Kuwait. He wasn't in Syria, he himself had the honor. But the place was open and functioning. And I saw on TV, that the army entered that bookstore, it's called out of Nevada, Nevada, that's the name of the publishing bookstore. They entered there, and they destroyed everything. And I was wondering, what's the matter? So I called him. I said, What did you do? He said, How did you know? I said, What do you

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mean, it's on TV. And he laughed, he said, one of the numbers that the army, they watch that there is one of the numbers that he owns, because all the numbers is under his name for his employees, he got a discount. So instead of you buying individually, a cell phone, he bought the lines for everyone. He said, one of those lines, they checked, and they said that a message was sent to aljazeera. Television. That was the only reason I said, so now what he said they destroyed it. I personally, I cannot go back. If I go back, they will imprison me. This is an incident that happened to one of my friends, he told it to me directly. So anyone who tried just to convey what is going

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on,

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was not allowed to.

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So when you wonder what is going on, and why we don't have clear image of what's going on the answer is very simple. Because you're not allowed to speak the truth. You're not allowed to know exactly what's going on. They have only one version, they want you to believe it. That's all from the beginning. Now, how this all started? Again, this is a question that many people ask, how did this all start and how it reached this level, this ugly level of civil conflict, and all these deaths that the total is almost 200,000. And when we say 200,000, those are the ones that are documented that there is an evidence beyond that there are many people who are killed,

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who are kidnapped, and you don't know whether they are dead or alive who are imprisoned. So the number I would tell you, it would be half million easily between killed and imprison and kidnapped and missing. The number would be like because

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it is ugly. Now, I still remember before it started.

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When we were watching TV, what's going on, and the news came that Tunisia, this is what happened, then Egypt, this is what happened. I was with one of the colleagues, we were in

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Birmingham, if I not mistaken, either Birmingham or Manchester. And we were watching TV, the news came that are concerned with the law. At the height of square, people are celebrating the removal of frosty mobarak. So they were laughing. And they said, when this will happen in Syria, and I told them impossible, I told them impossible. Why? Because of what I know, because of the violent level that I know of the army there and the intelligence forces. So anyways, when this happened in Syria, we were really surprised. But there is no surprise why, because of the fear that people had is already gone. In Syria, in particular, this should have happened at least 30 years ago. What many

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people forgot or don't remember is that in Syria, there was an attempt of a revolution. And it was crushed.

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In the early 80s, at that time, there was no social media, people were unable to report easily like we have nowadays. So the army did whatever they want.

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Okay, so the army did what they want. And they killed over 40,000 people.

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40,000 people, we're talking about early 80s, in a matter of a week, and my wife, she's a witness. But she herself was her family, because they're our entire What do you call here wrong? What do you call here, a small street and area, an entire area that is leveled with the ground, and it's gone, there are entire families disappeared. Nobody is left men, women and children all. So this is an idea, only an idea of what is happening. And I will come to the details. inshallah, let me ask you this very simple question. And you hear in the news, whenever something happens in us, or in Syria, or any place in the Muslim world?

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Don't you feel bad? Don't you try to do something? I witness that many people here does Allah here, including Amida. Also they they helped and they contributed for the people of Syria? Yes or no? So if I'm in a position of authority, and I am elected, as a president, or as

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prime minister, would I let my people suffer?

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What do you think? Would I be true leader if I let that happen? So now, how many refugees do we have?

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In Lebanon, over 1.5 million Turkey, roughly the same number, Jordan, and this is the first time this happens. Syria used to be attracting point receiving, not

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the other way around. So what was the attempt of the government of the people there

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to help those people, one single attempt

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nothing,

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actually, when it started, and there were refugees, by the way, how it ended there, how they became refugees.

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When people refuse

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the government, and they refuse this regime, and they say, We want our freedom. That's all they're asking for, and they are faced with armed forces that destroyed their homes. That's how they became refugees. So when they became refugees, what was the attempt? What was the help of the government that is given to them?

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If you go back, and you read, and this is the problem, we have very short memory, we forget when it started, the first batch of refugees in the official news, they said those are relatives, they only went to visit their relatives in Turkey, the line, but then when it became obvious, and then after that, another group of people and then another group and then another and then it was obvious that what is going on is actually a war between a regime that is corrupt, and its own people and throughout history, never, not even a single time, the regime one. You can fight other people. You can fight other countries, you could be weak, but Allah azza wa jal would make you victorious. Just

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as what we witnessed with Rosa

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But a regime that finds its own people, it will never win. But that's the problem. People don't learn from history. They're not learning. And actually, this is another thing. Now when we look at Russia and what happened there, the Zionists, they are brutal in human.

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And they use different types of weapons, different types of strategies, and they killed a lot of innocent people, children, women, and we all saw that. If someone asked you, who do you think is more brutal, the Syrian regime or the Israelis? Like?

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This is very simple question. What do you think is more brutal?

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If you look at it,

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you would see that the Syrian regime is more brutal. For one simple fact, Israel is able to do 10 times more than what they did. They have very strong army, they have weapons of mass destruction. They didn't use that. Not that they care about the humans there. But they didn't do it, while in Syria, nothing, except that it was tried against its own people, chemical weapons, who on earth would fire chemical weapons against his own people.

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x loading barrels.

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And this is something at the beginning, they denied that, but now who has the

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Air Force? Who has that advantage? Only the regime, and they use that many times, so nothing,

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except that it was attempted and tried against the people? So this is what is going on. But I understand it. Some people they say we are confused, or we are not clear of what is going on. One of the reasons is the recent crisis of ISIS. And people ask, are they correct? This is actually part of the problem, not part of the solution. And ISIS, if you look at it, there, you will have no doubt and no question that it is

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a very sophisticated operation by the intelligence regimes, including the Syrian one, because they did what they were unable to do, to influence, infiltrate, and destroy from within that's much easier than doing it from outside. And that's exactly what they did. No single scholar, tell me one single scholar who supported what they are doing, nobody, yet they are expanding why. And you start asking yourself, why? Why is that definitely there is someone supporting them.

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And now we see that apparently, they are fought by all forces around the world, including America. But in reality, actually, they supported them because they help their cause. Now America can come again. And everybody would allow that. Earlier, there was opposition, we don't want another war. We don't want another invasion. Now. Every single scenario, if you read in the news, if you read any analysis about the situation, no real solution, except by allowing the Marines to come on land. And that's what they want. And it will be catastrophic, but that's what they want. So it is sad that people sometimes they get emotional, and they don't read. I tell you what like to ask me because I

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lived there. I saw what's going on. It's very clear, very clear, just like day and night, it is very clear. But to some people outside they might say maybe those people who fought the regime, maybe they are wrong. Maybe they didn't do something that is right. In Syria, you're not allowed to worship Allah subhanho wa Taala properly, you're not allowed. You want to open school. Once you call it Islamic, that's it, forget it. You're not allowed. Recently, women who are wearing niqab they were transferred, they were prohibited.

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Earlier, in the early 80s, hijab itself was was banned. Inside school.

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Outside you're allowed. Now that's that was another stage. This was in year 2007 2008.

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Women were banned from wearing niqab, any teacher, any worker who was wearing a car, she was transferred to another department where there is no interaction with other people. It's only administrative work. That is something that we saw we witnessed. Why is that you want to open nightclub? It's very easy. You want to open school, Masjid. And I personally I came back from America and I wanted to help. I said I'm helping other people. Why wouldn't wouldn't I help my own people? So I went to one of the people who works in the Islamic affairs and I told him

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that's what I do and

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Maybe I could give some talks? And he said, Yeah, there is no problem. We need that, actually. But there is one thing. What is that thing? I have to apply for an interview? They have to meet with me, who has to meet with me the intelligence forces, why? He said, that's the procedure, but I can talk to them. I said, You know what, I don't want this.

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Why would they have to approve of that? They want to make sure that you are a good citizen. You're not a bad citizen. So unfortunately, even before all what happened, there were many restrictions against people. You want to grow your beard, you're not allowed. You have to have a permit. In the army. You're not allowed to pray, many things, many things. But now this happened, it started in Tunisia. It happened in Egypt, in Libya, and then it also happened in Syria. But I tell you, in Syria, it is totally different. Why Syria is neighboring country to Israel. So now,

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the calculations are different. Because it is a neighboring country to Israel. Second, they don't have oil. By the way, we do have oil. This is something many people don't know there is oil in Syria, but not as much as Libya. And that's why people didn't pay a lot of attention. And by the way, now, who is in control of the

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oil rigs

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in Syria, who's in control? ISIS? Yeah, they are. They put their hands on many resources, financial resources to make them stronger. And that is used against home against the Muslims, against the Muslims. Now, in all this conflict, in all what was going on?

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Only the Sunni groups that are fighting, only they are labeled as terrorist organizations. The first one was a Nusra. Front. That was the first one. Why, what did they do? You ask yourself, what did they do? They didn't do anything wrong. Actually, they were the first ones to have a real attack against a target of the government. And immediately, America announced them, terrorist organization. Okay, how about ISIS? What about their leader? And many people they say, Oh, he was trained by CIA by Mossad. It doesn't matter.

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This was a statement by Edward Snowden, the American spy. But whether this is true or false, this is irrelevant. Why it is irrelevant, because you look at the facts. You don't only look at speculations or statements from people. You look at the facts. Now,

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less than a week ago, three Kuwaiti activists, they were enlisted on the terrorist watch.

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That means they are not allowed to have any transactions. And actually they were temporarily arrested in Kuwait when they arrived in Kuwait, and I know them by name. One of them is Dr. Shafi largeman. He was very active in helping the Syrians and trying to collecting money for them. The other one is judgment.

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So those were blacklisted by the American government. Why the accusation is

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communication with ISIS. Okay, how about the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi. Until now, there is nothing against him. So you say this is a terrorist organization, but its leader himself is free to do whatever he wants. Until now, there is nothing against him, the UN, they held a meeting, only to list the names of those three people. And they were listed. And consequently, Kuwait announced that it is complying with the decisions of United Nations that didn't become now only a decision by the United States but actually by United Nations. So Kuwait said yes, we will comply.

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How about the leader, you are accusing me of communicating with terrorist organization, that organization, its leader is free to do whatever he wants?

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It doesn't make sense. And this is the problem with many people, they you we are not reading the facts, what is going on. And that is what is going on.

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It was very sophisticated operation

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to allow the people to do what they are now only now you hear Britain, Europe, entire Europe, France, including they visited a lot of areas in Iraq. Why? Because there is a minority, the disease, and the claim was what ISIS was killing them.

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Now maybe this is true, and we are against any killing for any innocent person, regardless of their religion. But how about the last three years? What did you do for that? Nothing, exactly. Nothing recently.

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The news about James Foley that filled

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the entire world beheading look at ISIS. You know, why is that because It commemorates the first anniversary of the massacre that happened in Aleppo, in Damascus, where people were attacked by chemical weapons. But nobody is talking about that they forgot about that they are talking about the single person. And

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until now, we don't know the truth. But many people said he was not actually executed. He wasn't executed, it was all an ugly show, just to blind people and to

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divert their attention. And it worked. Nobody is talking about what happened. There was a massacre 1500 people, many children and women, they were killed in one night. And nobody talked about that.

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Few years ago, less than two years ago, Obama said that this is a red light. This is a red line, and you cross it, and that was the chemical weapons. Okay, so it happened? What is your red line?

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nobody's talking about that. You don't expect from the enemies of Islam to support you. That's a fact. So people ask if that's the case, then the people themselves are having a revolution? Why until now, they're not successful? There are many factors on the ground. There are many factors.

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Numbers, yes, there are numbers, people have more numbers. But what is the problem, the problem is you have 1000s of people, but they are on the lower level. On the higher level, you have the people who are supporting the regime, the regime would never allow someone to reach that level, whether in the military or in the government, unless they make sure that he or she is 100% loyal to them. That is the problem. So imagine you have only a pistol or a knife, and you are fighting an airplane.

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Now it could work and the loss of his son is that wherever was conceived and fought, he will support him. It could work. But generally, it's not equal. And that is the problem. Many people are killed on the ground now most

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becoming country. Most the country of Syria is not in the hands of the regime. But what counts is actually the capital and the capital is with them.

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And there were some attempts, what was happening on the ground. And actually I see what is happening in Syria is a reflection of our entire situation. As a Muslim oma. It shows our entire situation, it shows you that the deviant sects, the deviant groups, Shia, they are united. There were cases of people coming all the way from Afghanistan, from Afghanistan, not from Al Qaeda from the Shia.

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They were funneled

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by Iran by the regime in Iran, and they came to Syria, from Pakistan, from Iraq, and from Lebanon, from Hezbollah, all of them came to Syria, but nobody's talking about that. They are only talking about the Sunni groups. Always Sunni groups are targeted. But what about the Shia groups? There are many groups in Iraq when they were fighting American soldiers. How many groups of the Shia were blacklisted? were considered terrorist organizations? 00. But it is always the surrounding groups always. So that's the case when we say it is a war against Islam. That's the truth. It is a war against Islam. Why? for Europe and America why you ban and threaten anyone who travels to support

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people. Initially, everyone said what is happening is inhumane. Everybody, America,

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UK, France, everybody said the regime has to go. People should rule. Okay, so you agree to that? They say yes, this is brutal. Okay, so if I feel that I can do more, and I go there, why would you imprison me for 20 years and you consider me terrorists? Why?

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But when someone goes to Israel, and fights with the army, they're against Muslims. That's fine. They actually have interviews with some American citizens. And they asked them why you're going there and they say this is a good cause. That's a good cause.

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Innocent Israeli civilians, they shouldn't be besieged. They shouldn't be subjected to the missiles of Hamas. The terrorists are that's what they are saying they are having interviews with them and they are not shy to say their names, but when a Muslim youth

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goes to Syria or Iraq feeling that those people who are killed unjustly they are defenseless, and I'm trying to help them. I am becoming a terrorist.

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This is not double standard. That is the standard. And it has always been like that. It is not double standard that is their standard. If it's Sunni Muslim group, then that's the standard. If it is not Sunni Muslim group, then that is the standard. That's what they have. So, again, I'm taking you back and forth, because as you see, every now and then you hear about something. Many people said, ISIS is not collaborating with America, otherwise they wouldn't attack them. Actually, the attack was very well orchestrated. It was engineered right in time and place. Why? Something that many people don't know, ISIS? They have the leadership, and they have the people, people, yes, maybe

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they are clueless. Someone heard that. They are accepting foreigners to fight with them against injustice, against tyrants, regimes, and they are sympathetic, they are excited, and they go, that is the people and they are the ones who are attacked leadership of ISIS, nobody's talking about them, because they are the ones who are running the show. They are the ones who are deciding on and I heard personally from many people who used to be with ISIS. But they admit they say we were wrong. We never thought that this is the reality of ISIS. One of them just recently, less than a week ago, their most famous blogger

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who's the blog, on Internet and on Twitter.

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And he announced that everything was a joke. It was a big lie.

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One of their highest ranked not in the army, but in the Islamic justice system. Hardly. He was in a loop. And again, the same thing he defected. And he announced that other people, they try to do that, but they went when they are caught, they are killed. That is what's going on. So you have to distinguish ISIS as a group, it's not one, they have the leadership, or they are corrupt. There is no question.

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Many people within the Syrian Free Army, they said we tried a lot of times to collaborate with them. The regime is there.

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Walking distance, we could see them, they are attacking us. And we tell them you have weapons help us and they say no. When the attack starts, actually ISIS, they attack them with the regime.

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They never collaborated.

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But the individuals, yes, you would have some of the individuals who don't know they came from Britain they came from, and I heard that even some people from here. And people ask what is what do you think, personally, and generally, I don't think that this is a good idea.

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It's not right, for one simple reason. You're going there to help people. You believe that this is jihad. And inshallah it is, but you're coming from a foreigner country, you're coming from foreign country, you're coming from here, you are a foreigner, you're coming from Malaysia, you go there to help the people. If the people you want to help, they themselves are telling you, we don't need you. We don't they don't need manpower. What they need is resources. That's what they need skills, expertise, finances, that's what they need. So you're going there and you're saying, No, I want to help but they don't want this help. So how that is going to be helpful. This is my message to anyone

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who thinks that he's doing good. May Allah reward you for your intention, you might have a sincere intention, but the action definitely is wrong. It is wrong. When you come back, you will be also in trouble. You will be subjected to legal scrutiny or any imprisonment, Allah knows best. So you can save yourself from that. Nobody is telling you not to help. Everyone wants to help. Everyone has good intention. But when you help someone, you should help the way they want. Not the way you want. I want to help you, I asked you, what do you need? I don't do whatever I want. I ask you, What do you need? And whatever you tell me, I'll try my best to do it. That's how it works. That's how it

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should work. So that is my message to the people there. So now, again, people ask so why so far over three years and nothing happened? I believe it is the most difficult Revolution, the one in Syria, because it's not only you're not only fighting regime, that regime is collaborating on the highest level with Russia with

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Iran

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with the other groups, Hezbollah, and as I told you from Afghanistan from Pakistan, all of them are coming to Syria. Why? Many of them many groups, some individuals when they are caught, and they're told what brought you here, they said, We are defending the sanctuaries and the places of the Imams, their imams.

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Where are they they are in the north, in Aleppo, where there is no such thing there. Even if they are telling the truth, that would be in the south, not in the north. So you are way, of course,

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you are way at least 500 kilometers away from your target. And nobody talks about that. When it started, many Muslim countries, they declared their support because no one would let this happen. I mean, if you see an animal in the street shot that you would simplify with it that this should not be happening even against animals. And you have seen that against human beings. It doesn't make sense, someone just chanting, that's all chanting, saying I don't want this regime down down this regime, and he is shot dead. And then another one who's attacking Allah azza wa jal openly, and he's rewarded. And you still say this is a good regime. That was the case in Syria for over eight months

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at the beginning.

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Their only word was peaceful, peaceful. They had no weapons, no arms whatsoever. And the regime tried to change that.

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They took some pictures, some clips, they recorded some clips in the streets. I remember that exactly. And they said, this is what they found in the masjid, in the old mess that people are gathering arms to go against the government. And this was totally untrue.

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For eight months, people were killed for what? They were just saying, we want to be free, that's all and they were killed. They were shot dead. So everybody was shocked. People were shocked. The news came that this shouldn't happen. This is wrong. And the countries announced that we want to give our support. But where is the support? Only fractions? Only crumbs. That's all Saudi,

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Qatar, Emirates, and the other countries as well. The best country so far was actually Turkey. So far, the best country was Turkey, because they opened everything, even free medication. This is something that is exceptional. Other than that, most countries but you ask yourself, why? What is the reason for that? Saudi? They announced pulling their ambassador

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and all the Gulf countries they followed suit. Usually Saudi is the biggest country so everyone and the Gulf, they follow them. Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Emirates, they did that. But then what happened? That's what many people don't know. They got serious threats from the Syrian regime directly. They said you're not better than us. You think you're better than us, if you don't stop, you're open support to the revolution, we will show you that you will have your own revolutions in your country that you will be busy with. And that's actually happened to an extent in Bahrain. That happened to an extent so people, those countries they had to stop. And that's what happened.

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This situation could have ended long time ago, but people are not willing. It is just a new day. That's all 20 people are killed. 50 people are killed. It's it became only numbers every single day. No one is talking that there is torture, that this has to stop. No one is talking about that. No one is talking that there are innocent people are killed. They became just figures, just numbers every single day, that's all. And even people there they became tired. Now when someone says I'm a reporter, or I want to, they tell you please leave, get the heck out of here. We don't need you. What are you going to do? Because people were able to do and they didn't do anything.

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They didn't know anything. And that is the fact now we have a lot of cases of people, they just try to convey the truth. But then so what So what now, people are either refugees injured or killed.

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They have they are homeless. And

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in the horizon, you see that there is no solution, but actually there is there is a solution. And regardless of the time because it's taking little bit longer, that's true, but there is a reason for that.

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All is a process of purification.

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All is a process of testing. It's not only for them just like what happened in Gaza. It was actually it's not about the Palestinians, it is about the Muslim Ummah, are we able to support our brothers and sisters, or an entire oma is unable to fight few millions of designs? That is the case. Same thing also in Syria, are people able to support the innocent people to hold justice or they are letting them fight on their own. So it is actually our responsibility. Now, as I said, the conflict in Syria had many layers openly, Europe, America and other so called civil civilized world, they say we are for the people. But what did they do? As a Syrian you're not allowed to travel to Europe

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anymore. They announced

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they announced that there will be some

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penalties against the Syrian regime. And they had the list of 85 people that they are criminals and they are internationally wanted. But that is not effective at all. It didn't work before it's not working. Now, it will never work. But they just want to say face to say that we did something. As a Syrian, you're not allowed to enter Europe, you're not allowed to enter America.

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You're not allowed to enter many countries around the world. So what is your support that you're seeing the rich people of Syria long time ago, they left they are rich, the so who is paying the highest price it is the innocent people, the poor people, they are the ones who are paying the highest price, because they have nowhere to go, they cannot stay. But also there is no third option. So they are left with the worst of options. Either they stay and every single day, you hear a terrible story every single day. Now, the latest trend in Syria. during night like this time, it's almost impossible to see someone walking down the street, because you will be subject to kidnapping.

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Not directly by the regime, but by people whether they are supporting the regime or not supporting the regime, there is no security whatsoever. Recently, the last poll showed that Damascus is the worst city to live in, in the entire world. Now, after a few years back, it was the best city, one of the safest city, you go down anytime during day or night. But now that is on purpose. This is left on purpose. The regime is not doing anything, because that's not their priority. You're kidnapped. So if you're lucky, you will be spared by paying money. And usually they asked for large sums that happened to my brother, my brother was given up for 49 days.

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You could be stopped at any checkpoint, with weapons. And that's now on armed forces from the army. And they tell you we need your car. They don't tell you we are going to hijack the car or we need the car why we have an operation and it will come back to you tomorrow. This happened to my parents. They were driving, they were going to visit and they were told we need the car. Luckily hamdulillah they knew someone they had his phone number and hamdulillah he answered and they told him this is his tuition. So he told them, let me talk to the officer in charge. And then hamdulillah I knew him. I mean, it was amazing. After that, they said I was telling them long time ago, please leave, leave

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because it's not easy to tell, especially all people to leave. They are used to something and they want. But I thought that many times leave and they didn't want they said that's where we're living. And whatever happens. It happens. It's the color of Allah. But after that incident, they said you know what, maybe it's better to leave. Because at any point at any given time, someone with a weapon coming to you during the day, at the watch of everyone else telling you give me your property, give me your money, what can you do? What can you do? You cannot do anything. And that is going on and on and on day in, day out. That is the situation. This is where the individuals now we've people, many

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people, many governments promised we will help. We will give you weapons Russia openly supporting the Syrian regime, sending choppers, missiles, even warplanes. Why? They say we had agreements. Europe on the other hand, what did they do? They announced a ban on any arms to be sent to Syria because it is a place of conflict. So just think about it. One side is getting all the weapons, everything they want. Another side is told no, no, you are in a conflict zone. You're not allowed to get anything. That was what's going on. Then they announce Okay, we'll give you and I heard from many people because they established now the revolution. One of the

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Factors of success is that it didn't have so called leader. It was a revolution by people, people, they are the ones who led that youngsters. When it started. It started actually with youngsters from that from the southern city of LA. That's it.

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So, when you ask who's the leader, there is actually no leader. But later on, they formed the Council for the Syrian revolution to be representatives. And they were told because I was in contact with many members, and they were told, you have to give some concessions. You compromise and we support you, from America from Europe and they refused. They refused. So they were told, okay, then you face the consequences. More people are killed, more suffering for people. And that's it. This is what is going on. It could have ended long time ago, the situation could have improved a lot. But world is not willing to do that. Why? It is serving its own purpose. But Subhan Allah, Allah azza wa

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jal has a Sunnah. He has his own way, that every time people try something, it will backfire against them what they started in Syria and Iraq, ISIS, now it is backfiring against them. And when they wanted to make it under control, that's what's happening. Now they are having some shelling, and they are having some attacks. But it will backfire against them. Because they are the ones who started it from the beginning, their excuse was, we don't want to give weapons to the wrong hand. We don't want to give weapons to the wrong hand. So it was given to the wrong hand. Now, what are you going to do? Nothing? Nothing.

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So

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this, again, does not mean that we say in Islam, there are no extremists. There are. And this happened. From the time of the prophet SAW Selim, there was extremist, this is something that some people don't understand. When they talk about ISIS, regardless whether they are in collaboration with CIA, or not, whether they are good or bad, look at them at their ideologies.

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They are motivated by only one thing, we are Muslims and everybody else's capital. That's the bottom line.

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What they killed from Muslims, is much more than what the regime killed.

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What about the non Muslims? They didn't kill? Even the announcements now you heard that they killed some of the minorities of the disease gave us the list. Not even a single person was named, not even a single person. Now maybe some people became homeless. That's true, maybe, but killed.

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I personally haven't seen I have seen many Muslim leaders were killed by ISIS. I have seen their pictures, and I have known their names. They were killed by ISIS. But what about other people? No. And that has been there way long time ago. They are called coverage from the time of the prophet SAW Selim and the companions. But again, the Sunnah of Allah azza wa jal will always take its course, that those people because they are so extreme, they will never be the same. They will never be united, they started as one group, and they were divided into three groups, three major groups, then they became mini groups. And in our time, the same thing, those people, they announced that they are

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one group, but shortly, they will be divided. But again, you ask yourself, who is supporting them? What is making them known to the entire world, despite the fact that every single scholar is denouncing their acts?

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And they still have some Muslims saying we are supporting them? When you see repeated warnings against something yet still it is coming? That means that is someone supporting it? Definitely. So that's why I'm telling you. It is a very sophisticated operation by governments of the non Muslims. Why to attack Jihad to tell you this is jihad. You want the Islamic state that is the Islamic State? And actually they call it the Islamic State? Is that what you want? beheading? Everybody will say no. So they say, okay, so stop jihad, stop fighting, accept anything. And that's what they want. So this is, in a nutshell, briefly, what is happening. I hope it answered some of the questions and I'm

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leaving enough time for your questions if you still have specific questions, because what I mentioned is less than what I know is less than what is happening. What is happening is far more than what I've just mentioned in one hour. It has been going on for over three years now. And to just brief it in one hour, that is not possible. But I tried to give you the main things of what is happening. So we still have at

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At least 20 minutes if you have any question, please feel free and I will answer it in Sharla.

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Really is this

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strategy of us?

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Is ISIS strategy of us?

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What do you mean like?

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Floyd? Is his plan to fight Islam? Yes, definitely. Yes, definitely. I have no doubt whatsoever that the leadership at least of ISIS, the leadership of ISIS, because you look at it, they are achieving what nobody could achieve. You attack Islam, you attack jihad, you cannot do that. You have this part of Islam, whether you like it, or you don't like it, the prophets are celebration that, but you show people what so called jihad is doing on the hands of those people, everybody would run away from it, everybody would say we don't want them. So this is what you see. At the beginning, when they started, I'm telling you one of the leaders, his name was papa.

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He destroyed 14 tanks, 14 tanks. He was a sniper who killed him ISIS. And when he was killed, he was saying a shadow line and the clip is still available. Who did that the regime announced $200 million price on his head for whoever is able to catch him. Eventually, he was killed by ISIS.

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Many of the people who are on the ground there, they personally told me that the worst they have seen is from ISIS, not from the regime, despite the fact that the regime is brutal, not for so you ask yourself how they came.

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We are Muslims, to be honest, we are we lack organization. We lack vision. But you see them very specific in their vision, very strategic in their movements.

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Now, we don't have proof that they are collaborating directly, as I said, but you look at the goals. You look at the consequences, you have no doubt that it is not necessarily only the United States, even the Shia in Iraq, what many people don't know. And they think that they are fighting al Maliki No, actually and Maliki it helped him not personally but as a group. Yes, personally, he was impeached. But the entire group of Shia now is getting stronger in Iraq, because now they are united against one goal. They don't see ISIS, they see the Sunni Muslims. And that's it.

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So I say definitely ISIS is helping the goal of the enemies of Islam.

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They believe the belief of the coloriage the people that the prophet SAW, Selim said about them, they are the dogs of the hellfire. They kill the Muslims, and they leave the non Muslims. You look at this, the death toll on their hands. You see, the vast majority like 99.9%, only Muslims, they killed only Muslims. You give the pledge, you become a Muslim. You don't give the pledge to their halifa you're subject to death. That's it. You gave the pledge. And then later, if you change your mind, you are also going to be killed.

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That is their way. And it happened to me recently, just recently in Iraq, the city of Iraq and Syria.

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They took control over the

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airport. They're

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not the civil one, but the military one.

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And you wonder how this happened in few days, only a few days. This Free Syrian Army, they were trying for months to take control over it and they couldn't. But those people within few days, they got it out.

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It was a plot between them and the regime in Syria. Now Now the last statement from the regime, we are willing to cooperate with America with Europe to fight ISIS. So now it is open. Their collaboration.

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The the announced goal is what to fight ISIS. But the real goal is that they are all one.

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They're all one.

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You find it hard to believe. You find it hard to believe. Why? Why?

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fabric? Yes. What is stated in publicly with ISIS Tell me one good thing they did one good thing, just one good thing they did.

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Not they said because you can say anything. And many people are able to say a lot of things but what one good thing they did

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to help scientists

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to help design this or

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Do not mean avantage then there was a

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position

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where,

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as I told you, this is part of their plan, even your own brother, you would have some disagreements with him. And when you find him transgressing, you have to stop him. What they did now you're talking about America, what they did is not against the leadership of ISIS, it is against the people. Because definitely there are many people, they are coming. They're individuals who don't know anything, and they just want to perform jihad. That's what they think. And that is a danger against America. So how you control that from the leadership? You tell them do this, and you kill them by dozens?

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Yeah, yes. Before going for these?

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Yes.

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This is actually the very suggestion that mostly we're going through, again, as I said, you could say anything and you could pick some catchy phrases khilafah is something every Muslim wants that is true, but like that,

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on the on the skulls and the blood of Muslims, the the bodies of Muslims, definitely not. Now, let me ask you this, what makes ISIS more worthy of Boko Haram in Nigeria? Because they thought they to announce the khilafah that is the problem now and Subhanallah What haven't been wanna be Rahim Allah, one of the scholars of Hadith. He died in the year 114 113 or 14 very early, he was born in the year 34, only 23 years after the death of the prophet SAW Selim, he says, I have never seen a group worse than the average. And they will never united whenever they are one alasa just divides them. And if they were to control, there will be no life for people. That was a statement from over

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1200 years ago. And now you see the reality of them. It is only temporary time that it is serving them now. But eventually it will not work.

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So you have ISIS there and you have Boko Haram and maybe some group somewhere. So who gives the right to this one or that one to announce the hill after Hill alpha is not an objective, it is a means if you are able to obey Allah azza wa jal to implement the commands of Allah. That's all what matters. Everyone wants to be under one oma one nation, but not like that.

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Okay, this is easy to be said to be claimed.

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Yeah, not only in the the leaders I'm telling, they look at anyone not from them as caffeine, including us, including the Syrian

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people, the leaders of the Syrian Free Army, all of them according to ISIS are caffeine. That's why they are fighting them. Most battles are taking place it is by ISIS, and then they stopped a lot of jihad, many areas now is under the control of ISIS. Why? Because the Free Army, this fear Free Syrian Army, they were attacking the regime, and they were able to take control. So instead of ISIS supporting them, it's fighting them. So the regime is benefiting. This didn't happen once or twice. That was the case almost every time. You never find them collaborating. Many times they were invited. Let's come. There is

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jurists, Counsel of Muslim jurists, and they will judge whether what we did is wrong or what you did is wrong. They never accepted that. It's my way or the highway. That's it. That has been always the case with them.

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They consider the entire Muslim population Kaffir until you give the pledge to their leader. That's it.

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You mentioned that.

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Yes, what was the

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long term peace with Israel? Don't mention anything about the Golan Heights. Of course, that's just to give you a few things.

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from many things.

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Now what they fail to see or to find, they were trying to see just like Afghanistan, who would be there boy there who would be there man, and they couldn't find and hamdulillah so far, not because all Syrian people are good, but for a long time. They

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was the propaganda that Israel is evil and America and so on and so forth. There was not a true leader from Syria that anybody would look at him as a leader because the regime killed anyone that they would feel or believe that he is a threat. So America and Europe, they wanted to find this person that they could deal with, and they couldn't find. Because every Yes, exactly every time they think that this is our man.

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But he's not representing everyone that on one hand, you look at it, you see, you see it as a negative thing. But on another hand, it's actually a good thing. Because no one is able to represent the entire people of Syria

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to an extent, to an extent,

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in coalition Now, unfortunately, what happened before many groups, including Qatar, they pressed the

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fighters and they told them you cannot fight as divided groups. And that is a fact. This is one of the reasons why the situation took longer, because even at the time of the prophet SAW Selim, if you're not united, you will lose. And that's what happened in the Battle of God. So if that happened to the companions of the Prophet SAW Selim, how would you expect that not to happen to you, and everybody is having an aim, everybody is doing his own thing. So you have to be united, and they were united, they were promised when you order united, you will be given. So they establish the army, Islam army, the army of Islam, but in reality, it was not actually united. They just tried to

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do that. And recently, they decided that no, we will go back to what we have been doing before. It is sad, but that's what's happening.

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All the rich Sunni states like Saudi Qatar, yes.

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We are plans of America. They are part of the problem.

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They are, as I told you, now, what what did Saudi do exactly what they did with Egypt, for instance,

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the first country to be visited by Mercy was Saudi. And they welcomed in at the beginning, but then when they felt that this is a threat to them, he is elected

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openly by the people. So they felt that this is a threat to us, because they are not elected openly by people. So and we are saying we are the representatives of Islam. Let him go. And that's what they did. So now, they are part of what's going on also in Syria.

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I I find it very clear, actually very clear, because they announced that we will help the people of Syria.

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You look at what they did. They did to the non Muslims to the kuffar 10 times what they did to Syria?

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Is that what they are able to do? Just on a very simple example, the refugees in Jordan, they announced that they will build houses for them, they will and all they did giving like maybe $25 million. That's all.

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Is that what an entire country like Saudi can do?

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So it's, it's obvious, it is obvious, as long as we are remaining ruling in Saudi, it doesn't matter. Whatever happens, it doesn't matter. But let us say or stay able to say that we are representatives of Muslims.

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That's that's what they are doing. They are actually part of the problem, not part of the solution. openly, they announced that they don't want Iran and the Shia to control Syria. On the other hand, Iran also is saying that we are not allowing Syria to fall if Syria fell, that was openly what their statement if SR failed, the Iran will fall. And that's why you find in Syria, Iranian men, with the army with the Syrian army, but you never find Saudis. The Saudis went individually, they were made, they were told whenever you come you will be imprisoned minimum for 10 years.

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So what do you think?

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On one hand, you are welcome and you are given privileges when you go there. And it is coordinated on the highest level. On the other hand, you are an outlaw if you go there

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with the

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people, I mean, the people in Syria, who will they support this for? Me? Do they have support for relief support for ISIS or for the other groups? You don't have one single opinion because people are different, but the vast majority without a doubt. They want their freedom. They want an alternative. They don't want the regime. That is the vast majority of people even inside the mask.

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But some people, on the other hand, they say we're just tired. We're just tired of all of this, we want our life back because we cannot live like that any longer. We have no job. No financial health, no. So that's another group, then you have another group, they are welcoming anyone, whoever is in charge. Now it is the regime. So they are with the regime, if the regime change they are with that. So you have that, but the vast majority of people they are against, they're against the regime. So when you say the word freedom, what does it mean? democracy?

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What, what kind of freedom? Do you mean? Both. But even the Muslim groups, they don't look directly as I said, as establishing khilafah. Because establishing khilafah is a means it's not a goal on its own. The purpose of it is to be able to implement Islam. As long as you're able to do that there is no problem.

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The Syrian people by nature, they they are practicing Muslims. Now they have we have some minorities, some Christians and some other groups. And the regime actually tried to play on that fact, in the southern city, there is a small city called suaeda. This is neighboring city to Dara. And they are from the extreme group of the bothnian. They are extreme Shia Druze. Very bad group. But actually until now, their situation until now they are neutral, it could have been much worse. And that is good. Many times the regime try to entice them to fight the Sudanese because they are living around Sunni tribes and Sunni cities like that, and haoran and the other areas, and they

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refused until now they refused, despite the privileges that is given to them by the regime, but they are neutral, it could have been much worse. And they realized that this regime belongs to minority when it goes they will not have any supporters so they better start to stay good with their neighbors.

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Yes.

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As I told you, the nature of the revolution is that it is

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it's not very organized. It's just spontaneous from the people. They tried to have a coalition. It's called the lefty left, they tried to have the National Council also were 250 representatives from all factions from all parts of Syria, including the Christians, he was elected and they have a leader every two years is elected, they did that, but you cannot declare that this is the leader of the revolution, because there was no leader It started with only a few children in the law, and then it followed suit in homes and in other cities.

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Because there are so many rules, but they are fragmented, through through you know, we cannot say nothing can be achieved or there is no progress there is progress. But everybody is saying now we have one goal, let the regime leave and then we work our own issues. It will not be easy. Nobody is saying it. It will be uphill too difficult. Just like what happened in Libya. They said we want the regime to go qaddafi he was the problem. He went but it didn't work so well until now. But again, there are many hands playing not only Libya and recently you here Egypt and Emirates, they bombed some places inside Libya. So let people decide on their own and everything will be fine inshallah.

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Things look very quick.

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But what does it

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mean

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to say, in the Quran, or an gives you general statements, general things, not specific things. The prophet SAW, Selim mentioned a lot of things about what's going to happen, especially in Syria. And you you find that you see it through. You see the

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reality of what the prophet SAW Selim said long time ago about what's happening in Syria. What is going to happen or and gives you general statements general facts regardless, remove the name Syria, put any name you want, labels, wherever there is justice, you have to be supported to it. That's what the laws are Jesse's wherever and whenever there is injustice. You have to stand upright against it. Yeah, you are living in harmony. kuno kawaman

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It's the Shahada Allah, that's what the laws of shell commands us. So that's why I don't think that it is unclear, it is very clear. This is group of people started with very small group, and then it became a large group, or what they were saying, we want to be free. We don't want to be in prison just because of the penis that we expressed. We don't want to be ruled forever by only one family. That's our choice. This is our land, that's all and because of what they said they were killed, and they were imprisoned. So I don't think that this is not clear, it is very clear.

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So anytime.

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Because you see, there's no reason

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for us to come to see yes, I don't encourage them to go there. Because you want to go there to help the people and the people are telling you don't come instead, help us in other ways.

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many ways, financial, that's one of the ways now, the infrastructure is destroyed. If you love your country, you would never do that, who destroyed the infrastructure, who had the, from the beginning, all what they said, neutralize the air forces, that's all and we will take care of the rest. But even that was not done. This was done in Libya. And that's why it was easy. They say we don't want any foreign forces, any occupation whatsoever inside Syria, we just want to neutralize the Air Force, and we will take care of the rest. But even that they didn't happen. So whatever we can help to rebuild the infrastructure. We're trying now we are having a project in Shaolin Turkey for

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education, because those people they will come back. And so there are many ways to help not initially just to go there physically by yourself and help just like in hodza do they are done, they need our help.

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Physically, they don't need our help. They have a lot of people hamdulillah. But they need other ways of help. The same thing is city.

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So when

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there is no unified leadership, that doesn't mean there are no representatives. That doesn't mean there is no work going on. There is this is happening.

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So there are groups of people, they are representative. They have some people to represent them. There are some works. But to have one single leader, I think this is one of the good things initially, yes, it is not good, you should have one leader. But if that happened, I guarantee you within a week he will be killed.

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That's that's the way of the regime. So maybe this is a good thing, actually not a bad thing. There are people working, there are projects, there are people united, there is a lot of work, but to just sit and say, Oh, if they are not there, so we will not help. No, I don't think this is the right way. We do whatever we can. Whatever we can imagine this is happening in your place. Or in a neighboring country, what would you do? You cannot just turn your head because actually, you look at it as it's like dominoes. They started there they are trying to pull every country to do that.

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Yes.

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warfare.

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It's multi layered warfare. On one of the layers, you have this Sunni, Shia, okay, because it was open. And it actually extended to Lebanon, where Hezbollah is strong, and having control. So the Sudanese are fed up with that, and they tried to do something and there was some war. In Syria, it is the same. That's one layer, another layer. You see on one side, Saudi, they are announcing that openly what they are saying but not in reality, they say we are supporting Sunni Muslims. On the other hand, you see Iran. So that's another layer. Then there is another layer Russia, with China on one hand, supporting the regime, with forces with Intel. And then on the other hand, you find Europe

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and America, they're saying we're supporting the people. So it is actually multi layered warfare.

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Literally one point in time, there was a kid to be

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winning that and then all of a sudden, we saw that, you know, recovery process.

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So where are they now? Now, as I told you, the vast majority of the country over 75% of the country is governed by the Free Syrian Army.

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up to 75% is the only standing cities until now you have

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Damascus, that is the Capitol. And that's what matters most.

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The revolution will not end until the Capitol falls. And the people knew that. And they tried that. But the problem is they were infiltrated. It wasn't easy. They try to have a lot of fighters coming in civil courts without any weapons inside Damascus. And then,

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at a certain point in time, they will all start fighting, but that didn't work. Few days before the deadline, the plan was uncovered. It was exposed. So they were infiltrated. So you have Damascus, you have the costs on a few cities of those. And Latakia. And then you have the city of Hemet. Now this city is surrounded by

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free areas, all of it, but the city itself. So aside from that the entire country is not in the hands of the regime, the entire country. So what happens, I'm telling you, you have a regime with Air Force, with warplanes, and you have people with rifles with some missiles. That's it, but they are gaining ground. And America and Europe, whoever is interested in keeping Muslims fighting, keeping countries surrounding Israel weak, when they see that those This party is winning. They

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they let ISIS do its work they like the other the regime do. And then when they see the regime is killing from them, they announced we will give you missiles to heated missiles and targeting. So it is again, that's what that's what they're doing. But eventually, I'm telling you, eventually, they will reach a point where the regime will have no people to fight, because they are fighting their own people. And you could do that for only that much.

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You cannot do that forever.

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Cornish people, that's another another part of the puzzle, because they want their own government.

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And they were successful in Iraq to do that. They tried in Turkey, they were not successful. Same thing in Syria, for over 40 years. They were persecuted. They were stripped from their civil rights in Syria. So when the revolution happened at the beginning, they were actually supportive.

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very supportive. But then what happened when they noticed that they will not get what they are looking for, because they want their own country. And they they try to do their own thing, just like what happened in Iraq, where they have the president from them, and they have their own government. So they are trying to do that. So so far there, you could say they are neutral. They are neutral, but they're not with the regime. If they had to choose one side, they would they choose the side of the Free Army because they did that before.

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And Other questions?

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What could have been done is much more. You don't ask people to do everything, but at least what you can do. And I look at what is done. And I say what could have been done is much more. And that's why they should be blamed.

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Is anything to do with the so called Wahhabism.

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In what sense?

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Now, part of it Yes, part of it is they say that Hamas is

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a front of Muslim Brotherhood.

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And they are a danger on the Muslim woman.

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So that's why they supported the regime in Egypt to impeach the Muslim Brotherhood and the president. And that's why in Emirates also they are doing the same thing. And part of it also about not supporting enough Hamas as well. Yeah. That's part of it.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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No, no, but you have to remember that they always try to picture themselves as representatives of the Muslims. They have the cabinet, so they cannot just turn a blind eye. So they have to say whether they support it or not, of course, the bottom line is as long as I'm able to rule that's all what I want. They say

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Why whenever there is a fatwa supporting them, you will find it everywhere.

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Demonstrations prohibited. So that's it. It is haram. It is against the rules. So don't do it. So anytime there is something like that they will do it. But yeah, in reality, they are not support because they have in Saudi, they have many people in prison.

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I know some people individually Personally, I know that they were imprisoned, what is the charge, there is no charge, they were just helping Syrian people, you announced that this is a good cause that not fighting, we are helping them. They were imprisoned.

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Many

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prisoners in Saudi, they didn't go against the government, they didn't carry weapons against them, they just express their own opinions.

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So unfortunately, Saudi is part of the problem.

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When you see Yes, definitely. Now, when I cannot predict exactly when and honestly it doesn't matter many times allows the gel reminded us that the end result is not our problem is not our responsibility, whether sooner or later, our responsibility is to do whatever we're supposed to do,

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you cannot go on top unless you go downhill. So, that it is like as I said, it is kind of purification process. It will get ugly before it gets better. So inshallah it will happen as long as people are able to be united as long as nobody from outside is allowed to put their hand inside because that's the problem. Now, whenever we try to do things on our own is online, yes, I can see that whether it is after 10 years or 15 years along with but it will happen in shallow

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Of course, but but in the process of serious

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issue that that is part Yes, exactly. You cannot you cannot look at Syria only because of the location.

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So this is the second part of the talk now what is happening in Selangor?

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Okay.

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By the beginning of his talk, I mentioned that there was a media. Yes. So my point is that you look at all this information. Is it a free and valid media, this crucial for us to understand what's happening with the free and advance media? You always be in the dark? You make assumptions such as correct. and interpret laws or whims and fancies. Ours

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like it happening in this

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country? Yes.

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But now again,

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they were able at some point to control the media now with the social media. You have everything open.

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And stop infections. Yeah, yes. It came to me while looking at this

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story. Felicia

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said you know, whether there's

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an easier way you need the government Maka simulationx. There's a selfish intention. Because the minority wants to get into power they want for anything

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that can be done in theory, unity government within.

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There was there has been a lot of talk about that. But here's the simple fact. You talk here in Malaysia about only difference in opinions difference in political agenda. There. You're talking about people they pay the price of the blood of their own children. So how would you expect from someone who lost his entire family to say, Okay, you know what, forget about the past and I am, it doesn't work. And unfortunately, you look at World organizations like amnesty and other places, they say we are neutral, but they are equalizing the victim with the butcher with the criminal. That's the problem. They say, look at the Free Syrian Army, they are committing atrocities. You don't see

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what they did. Now. Maybe one of them because we are humans. We are not robots. So you don't expect everything perfect. I saw my entire family killed, cold blooded on the hands of someone how they expect me when I see him to say thank you, or of course, I will react to try to retaliate. So I don't think it will be the scheme. It's not the same

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Yes,

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here repressive laws like Sedition Acts.

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When you say

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I cannot defend you but I also be charged you know, we have a lawyer who can

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you see the trend. The trend is using the laws to silence people who see it as something which is right and correct cluding the

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church and we think it

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was the first time I say we have organized by China every Wednesday time was my first week we have the Heidi's lecture service and the second week

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is by the staff is resolved. Talking about history of Turkey.

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Coffee is open for any major topic maybe the next weekend, slammed or

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pushed by the secretary treasurer to say

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that we have a token size of 10

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conical on Chanukah lens that forgot to relax