Ingrid Mattson – Women of Islam 3 of 4

Ingrid Mattson
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The transcript discusses various examples of conservative women who use the Quran to prove their view on the rights of men and women. The transcript suggests that conservative women should not feel shy when they provide incorrect information, but also emphasizes the importance of reading the Quran carefully to determine the deeper meaning of the universal value of the Bible. The transcript also mentions that some women may not be able to continue to earn because they may not have children.
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Can women such as Khadija,

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Fatima, and Aisha be role models for women

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of the 21st century?

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These women are role models for all Muslims,

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men and women,

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1st and foremost.

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Khadija

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is an example of of a woman who

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is,

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who is

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who

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is an accomplished woman,

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an accomplished person,

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well rounded,

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who who balances

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life and family,

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career and family,

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and also is willing to put all of

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that,

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on the line for what she believes in.

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That's something that that all Muslims can learn

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from, including men. There are many men who

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have a highly imbalanced life,

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and that's something that they need to consider.

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Are they really balancing

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faith, family, career?

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Aisha, brilliant, brilliant woman

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who

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had a keen intellect

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and used that

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for the for the rest of her life

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after the death of the prophet Muhammad peace

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be upon him.

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She

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used her time to teach,

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to lead the community.

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She was a teacher.

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She

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was a military commander.

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She was someone who stood up,

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and spoke truth to power.

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It is the caliphs who came to her

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door and asked her for advice.

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She corrected

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other Muslim men when she,

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when she knew that they were wrong and

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that they were they had a misunderstanding

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of words of the prophet Muhammad, peace be

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upon him. So there are many, there are

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many occasions when Aisha

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gave the correction

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to other men when they had a misunderstanding

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of something that the prophet Mohammed had said

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or done. Could you provide us with examples

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of that?

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Well, there's

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many examples. One example

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is

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when when,

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Aisha,

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peace be upon her,

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heard that,

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one of the Sahaba had said,

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had narrated that the prophet Mohammed, peace be

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upon him,

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he thought that he had said that if

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a

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if a,

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a woman

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or a black dog walks in front

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of a man when he's praying that his

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prayer is invalid.

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And

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Aisha refuted that and she said,

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I used to

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lie down at night

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and the prophet Mohammed was praying his night

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prayers

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and I had my legs extended in front

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of him, in front of his qiblah.

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And when he would make sujood, I would

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pull my legs up.

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And then when he stood up, I would

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put my legs out in front of him

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again to prove

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that that this was had to be,

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an invalid

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report,

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that it was not true because Aisha herself

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was in front of the prophet Mohammed

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when he was praying. So there are many

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other occasions

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and examples where she corrected,

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mistaken reports

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from the prophet Mohammed.

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So this is this is an example for

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for all Muslims,

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but of course, especially for Muslim women

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that they,

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should not feel shy

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about correcting men when they're distorting Islam or

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giving a mistaken

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understanding

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of Islam.

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Are there notable passages from the Quran or

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Hadith that you feel captures the true value

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of women?

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Well well, let me just say that,

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let me start again.

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The Quran is

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is the word of God. God is

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who is living and eternal.

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So his words are always relevant to us.

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They always speak to us.

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And our

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social and political situation

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changes,

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but in the Quran and in the example

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of the prophet Mohammed, we can find

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guidance and lessons at all time.

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The Quran is clear. It's filled with examples

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of

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the equality, the spiritual equality and value of

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men and women. But what's important to remember

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also,

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and this is where many people go wrong,

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is that the Quran also contains

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verses

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that address

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specific situations

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that occurred during

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the time

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of the prophet Mohammed and his community.

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What that means is that it takes a

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great deal of scholarship and effort, insight,

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and guidance from God to be able to

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distinguish

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what are particular

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lessons,

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what are particular

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judgments,

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and what are universal

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lessons.

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All of the Quran has a lesson, but

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sometimes

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we have to extract

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the fundamental principle or the universal value

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from

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a verse.

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Let me give you an example.

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There's no such thing as dihar anymore. I

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mean, no one

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no Muslim man

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says you are to me as the backside

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of your mother.

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Right? We know that that's forbidden. The Quran

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forbids that. Even

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within the 1st or second century of Islam.

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This is not something that

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other than perhaps

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people, some tribal people in the Arabian Peninsula,

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no one did. So does that mean that

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verse has no relevance to our life other

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than to ban or prohibit that specific

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practice?

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I think if we consider that then we

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would

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really

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be missing the point of the Quran.

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What do we what do we see in

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that verse? We see

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a condemnation

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of

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of a certain attitude

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towards your wife.

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That a man who would utter this formula

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after he's been married to a woman,

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she's given birth to his children,

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She has been patient with him

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through his ups and downs in life. And

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now suddenly he puts her in this situation.

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Can we not think of other situations,

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maybe times in our own lives,

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in our own society, when we see

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men being ungrateful,

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to their wives,

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when their wives get a little bit older,

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suddenly feeling that they're outdated and outmoded

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and

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and forget,

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or choose not to remember

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that their wives were patient with them and

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put up with maybe the times when when

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they were not at their most attractive or

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most successful.

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So this is really the challenge

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for someone who really wants to be guided

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by the Quran

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is to read the Quran

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attentively

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with this understanding

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of what

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what is the

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deep message of the Quran and what does

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it say for our lives.

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If we don't do that,

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then we will miss some lessons and specific

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rulings and we will also inappropriately

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apply

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some some

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verses in the Quran,

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to our lives.

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Doctor Mattson, what are some of the rights

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women's rights that Islam gave to women?

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Certainly, the Quran doesn't present women

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in any way as inferior to men.

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However,

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however, it's very important to understand that there

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are men, there are Muslim men who have

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used the Quran

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to prove this point.

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There are,

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many examples of Muslim men in contemporary period

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as well as in classical Islamic Quran commentary

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who use the Quran

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to prove their view or their

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perspective

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that women are inferior to men. And if

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we don't understand that, then

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then we aren't going to be able to

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address that misuse of Islam.

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So for example,

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there are,

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commentators who have looked

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at the Quranic verse

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that,

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that men have a daraja above women

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to say, well, that proves that men are

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superior

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to women.

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In fact,

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what that verse says is that men what

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that verse implies or means

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is that within the family, within the household,

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men have a responsibility

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to take care of,

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to provide the

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support, the maintenance for the household.

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So that is their obligation

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because God has given them an an ability

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beyond that of women generally

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to be able to continue to earn. And

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this isn't true for for all men and

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women.

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Of course, there are women who who do

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not marry. There are women who do not

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have children.

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So for them,

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they might have the same ability as men

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to earn an income,

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to save,

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to have, you know, in contemporary terms, a

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retirement plan.

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But factually, realistically, what we see in in

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all countries

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is that generally, because,

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many women do end up having children,

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is that their ability to accumulate capital is

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much less than men. That's why most countries

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have some kind of

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