Ingrid Mattson – Speaks about women in Islam 14

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The host of the transcript introduces Dr. Ingrid Madsen, the head of the Islamic Society of North America, who discusses the gender stratification of the Islamic society. Madsen explains that the society values strength, force, and being a dominant warrior, and that women were the most likely to respond positively to the message of Mohammed. She also discusses the early supporters of the prophet's message, including women who experienced hardship and were among the delegation that left Mecca at the command of the prophet's king to seek refuge.

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			Hi. Welcome to Perspectives on Faith. I'm your
		
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			host, Metin Tekka.
		
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			This week, we're coming from Hartford Seminary
		
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			in Connecticut.
		
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			We have with us today doctor Ingrid Madsen.
		
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			She's a professor of Islamic Studies at Hartford
		
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			University,
		
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			and she's also the president of the Islamic
		
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			Society of North America.
		
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			Doctor Madsen, thank you for coming on our
		
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			show.
		
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			You're welcome. Would you describe the gender stratification
		
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			of the society in which prophet Mohammed grew
		
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			up in?
		
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			What you have to understand about pre Islamic
		
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			Arabian society, first of all, is that
		
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			it was a society
		
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			in which there was no rule of law.
		
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			There was no political structure that was governing
		
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			the Arabian Peninsula.
		
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			The,
		
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			only
		
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			ruling powers were tribes
		
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			that were in mutual,
		
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			rivalry.
		
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			These tribes became
		
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			or operated in in a way similar to
		
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			a gang structure.
		
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			What that means is that the only way
		
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			to have power,
		
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			the only way to promote your interest
		
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			is by using brute force.
		
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			The tribes are are highly territorial
		
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			and are in constant conflict with each other.
		
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			A society like this
		
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			values
		
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			strength,
		
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			force,
		
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			and is highly militarized.
		
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			What that means is that,
		
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			for women,
		
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			their position
		
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			is is
		
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			secondary to that of men,
		
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			who who, through their strength
		
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			and through their,
		
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			violence,
		
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			exercise their will.
		
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			So the basic structure of this society is
		
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			one in which women,
		
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			as
		
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			mostly noncombatants,
		
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			are in a secondary position to men.
		
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			So why would women respond positively
		
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			to the message of Mohammed?
		
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			The prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him,
		
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			both through his attitude and as the messenger
		
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			of God
		
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			with the Quran that that he received from
		
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			from God,
		
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			brought a message that women,
		
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			are equal to men,
		
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			in their value.
		
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			And not only that, that that in fact,
		
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			how you value a human being
		
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			is not through
		
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			their
		
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			brute strength,
		
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			not through their
		
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			ability to
		
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			dominate,
		
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			but in fact, their ability
		
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			to submit themselves to God. So there's a
		
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			whole different
		
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			paradigm shift,
		
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			of what makes a human being valuable.
		
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			In pre Islamic Arabia, what made a human
		
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			being valuable
		
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			was to be
		
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			a,
		
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			a dominant
		
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			warrior, someone who,
		
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			who by whatever means necessary,
		
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			subjected other people to his will.
		
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			What the Koran says is that the person
		
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			who is valuable in is
		
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			the one who is most noble in the
		
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			eyes of God is the one who has
		
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			most awareness of God.
		
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			That awareness is something that can be gained
		
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			by either a man or a woman.
		
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			That, that your gender has nothing to do
		
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			with whether you have the ability,
		
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			to submit yourself to god. So there's a
		
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			completely different,
		
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			assessment
		
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			of the value of a human being,
		
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			according to the Quran,
		
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			the Quranic paradigm.
		
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			Could you provide examples
		
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			of these women's
		
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			responses
		
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			initial responses to Mohammed's message?
		
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			Well, as is well known, the first person
		
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			who responded
		
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			to,
		
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			the prophet Muhammad's message was his wife Khadija.
		
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			Khadija who was
		
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			really in all ways a full partner to
		
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			the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. She
		
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			was
		
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			a mature woman
		
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			who was,
		
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			financially
		
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			independent,
		
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			who was who had her professional career.
		
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			And she and and her husband
		
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			really weren't always
		
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			full partners, raising their family, having their business.
		
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			She knew him, as a woman knows her
		
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			husband, better than anyone. And when he received
		
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			the call,
		
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			by by God,
		
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			to come and bring this message, she was
		
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			the first to respond to him and supported
		
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			him and believed in him.
		
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			But,
		
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			you know, it didn't stop there. In fact,
		
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			women
		
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			were among the early supporters of the prophet
		
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			Mohammed.
		
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			You had not only women like Khadija who
		
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			was a free woman of high status,
		
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			but a woman like Sumayya
		
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			who was a slave woman, who was in
		
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			a highly degraded position,
		
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			and for whom this message of Islam
		
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			was one of her dignity.
		
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			Even in a if it appeared by
		
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			by all objective
		
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			measures that she was the most degraded
		
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			person in Meccan society.
		
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			How were these women participating in the public
		
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			realm
		
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			of Mecca?
		
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			Muslim women in Mecca,
		
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			experienced
		
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			hardship to the same degree that men did.
		
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			We find that, for example,
		
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			the first martyr in Islam was Sumayyah,
		
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			who was murdered
		
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			in a brutal fashion
		
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			by her
		
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			by Abu Jahal
		
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			for being a Muslim.
		
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			Because there was no
		
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			recognition in Mecca, in the political order of
		
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			Mecca of individual human rights, it was possible
		
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			for someone,
		
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			a so called free man, to kill a
		
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			slave with impunity.
		
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			Among the other women were Khadija
		
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			and the other women of,
		
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			the
		
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			Banu Hashim, the clan of the prophet Mohammed,
		
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			peace be upon him,
		
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			who,
		
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			were boycotted by the rest of Quraysh for
		
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			3 years,
		
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			who had to live on the outskirts of
		
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			Mecca and were deprived of,
		
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			meaningful sustenance. In fact, we know that Khadija,
		
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			died because she was weakened by the boycott.
		
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			She and other women suffered along with
		
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			the male, believers,
		
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			in that situation.
		
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			Women also,
		
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			were among the delegation
		
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			that
		
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			left Mecca
		
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			at the command of the prophet Mohammed to
		
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			seek refuge with the,
		
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			the ruler of Abyssinia,
		
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			a good Christian king
		
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			who gave refuge and comfort
		
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			to the Muslims who were persecuted in Mecca.
		
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			Women were there with the men. So Muslim
		
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			women were beside,
		
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			the men at in at all stages,
		
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			in the Meccan period.