Ingrid Mattson – Lecture The Earth Is a Home for You 6212014

Ingrid Mattson
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The speakers discuss the importance of community, national identity, and cultural miscommunication in determining survival and safety. They emphasize the need for a culture of value for individuals and the importance of finding a way to live in an unlawful and authentic culture. They also discuss the importance of finding a way to establish a mosque in a beautiful, blessed region, and the importance of protecting the rights of nature and community. They emphasize the need for policies to make food more expensive and the importance of protecting land and treaty rights of First Nations. They emphasize the importance of working with people who care, people of good values, and good faith to prevent harm and ensure everyone has the right to live ethically on it.

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			Good evening.
		
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			What a friendly, nice crowd, and,
		
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			really glad to see each and every one
		
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			of you.
		
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			And very glad,
		
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			that,
		
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			doctor Edgar Manson
		
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			has come home
		
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			at least for a few days,
		
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			and it's my pleasure to introduce her.
		
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			Doctor Madsen is
		
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			Islamic Studies
		
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			at Huron
		
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			University College,
		
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			University of Western Ontario,
		
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			London,
		
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			Canada. Yeah. And,
		
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			as you know,
		
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			doctor Mattson Ingrid was at Hartford Seminary for
		
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			a good long time,
		
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			and, she graduated from the University of Chicago,
		
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			with her PhD
		
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			and,
		
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			is was the founder
		
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			of the,
		
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			the the Muslim chaplaincy program, so the first
		
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			Muslim chaplaincy program in the country,
		
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			many, positions here,
		
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			and,
		
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			has contributed,
		
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			my way to the seminary and to the
		
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			larger Muslim community,
		
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			in Connecticut and abroad and all over the
		
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			United States. As you know, I was the
		
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			past president of the Islamic Society of North
		
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			America.
		
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			And, I'm sure in Canada, they're very happy
		
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			to have her, contributing in her wonderful,
		
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			wise,
		
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			and,
		
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			and gentle way,
		
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			to, life,
		
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			in the Muslim community and with with friends
		
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			in the Muslim community,
		
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			all over Canada as well. And, of course,
		
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			Ingrid continues to to work and do a
		
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			lot of things, here in the United States
		
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			as well.
		
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			So, I think that's all I'll say. I
		
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			suppose there's one more thing to say.
		
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			Hebrew has, I think it's published a book
		
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			which is one of the prettiest books. It's
		
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			my favorite cover.
		
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			And it's the story of Quran,
		
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			its history and place in Muslim life. And
		
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			if you haven't read that book,
		
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			please do. It's a wonderful, wonderful book,
		
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			and you will, to enjoy a lot and
		
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			learn from it. So, Ingrid, please come here,
		
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			and reach your friends and colleagues as well
		
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			as some others that you may or may
		
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			not know. Thank you, doctor.
		
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			In the name of God, the merciful, the
		
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			compassionate.
		
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			Well, I'm so happy to be back to
		
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			one of my homes.
		
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			I'm very blessed to be able to have
		
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			a number of homes across this world,
		
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			this is certainly one of them.
		
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			I want to thank Heidi Hadsell, president Hadsell,
		
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			for asking me to come
		
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			to speak to you today. And I want
		
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			to thank Dean Yurai Kim for inviting me
		
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			back to teach this week,
		
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			to teach my,
		
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			Maid Servants of Allah Spirituality and Muslim Women
		
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			class.
		
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			I'm so delighted to see that Hartford Seminary
		
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			continues to attract such wonderful students.
		
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			Smart, creative,
		
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			engaged.
		
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			It was a wonderful experience.
		
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			So I'm gonna have to come back another
		
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			time.
		
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			I'm willing.
		
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			And a broader thanks to all of those
		
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			who have been involved in governing
		
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			the school, Harvard Seminary,
		
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			to those who teach here and will shape
		
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			these programs over the year.
		
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			Although I had long been an adult
		
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			when I first arrived to teach at Hartford
		
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			Seminary, I believe it is here where I
		
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			have truly matured intellectually.
		
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			Beyond that, this was the place where I
		
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			could find advice and friendship
		
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			during the challenging
		
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			1st decade of the 3rd millennium.
		
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			That's another way to
		
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			I know after 911.
		
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			Trees and power lines all across the state.
		
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			My family had significant, but not tragic damage.
		
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			The biggest challenge was not knowing how long
		
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			we would be without power.
		
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			It turned out to be 9 days.
		
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			We did not leave the house because my
		
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			daughter was bedridden and needed a special air
		
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			cooling system.
		
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			Fortunately, we had purchased a gas generator in
		
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			case of such a necessity,
		
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			but my husband was out of state for
		
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			work,
		
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			so my son and I took turns filling
		
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			up that generator every 5 hours.
		
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			We could not have left our house,
		
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			even to get gas for that generator, if
		
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			it had not been for our neighbors.
		
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			Our car was blocked in by a driveway
		
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			filled with fallen trees and branches.
		
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			It was our neighbors,
		
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			some who we knew well and others who
		
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			knew only in
		
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			who came
		
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			and sawed up that wood and stacked it
		
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			and cleared the driveway.
		
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			Others in Connecticut were, of course, more desperate
		
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			and in need of assistance more than we
		
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			were.
		
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			Many people would not have survived the disaster
		
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			without help from their neighbors.
		
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			One thing we know about disasters is that
		
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			they are inescapably
		
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			about place.
		
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			In an age of virtual reality where we
		
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			can escape to other countries and imaginary worlds,
		
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			disasters
		
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			brutally force us back into our bodies.
		
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			Water creeps upstairs,
		
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			flooding the attic where an elderly woman has
		
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			taken refuge from the storm.
		
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			The limb of an old oak oak, laden
		
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			with snow, crashes into the home of a
		
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			disabled man,
		
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			taking down power lines and blocking the door.
		
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			A criminal draws a gun in a convenience
		
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			store, trapping half a dozen people,
		
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			carrying shopping baskets with heads of lettuce and
		
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			sliced bread.
		
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			A bomb explodes at a sporting event, and
		
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			a man looks down to see that his
		
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			shirt was on fire and his foot was
		
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			missing.
		
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			In disasters,
		
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			where we are and who is with us
		
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			are the most important factors determining our survival.
		
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			Disasters are all no place, and in those
		
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			places, it is only those who are physically
		
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			near who can save
		
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			us. A sense of community emerges almost immediately
		
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			in the wake of a disaster.
		
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			One minute, we are strangers,
		
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			avoiding eye contact as we ride the bus
		
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			or subway to work.
		
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			The next minute, we are clutching hands in
		
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			the dark,
		
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			weaving through broken glass and twisted metal.
		
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			Soon enough, police and ambulances will arrive
		
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			if government services are well developed and efficient.
		
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			Where that is not the case,
		
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			first, CNN, then perhaps the Red Cross, and
		
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			other international aid agencies will arrive to help
		
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			for a few weeks or months,
		
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			or if you are lucky, maybe a few
		
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			years.
		
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			But at the beginning of a disaster,
		
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			and at the end of it,
		
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			it is the people standing beside you and
		
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			the people living around you who would determine
		
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			first your survival
		
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			and next your safety.
		
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			Necessity
		
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			always permits exceptional
		
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			behavior,
		
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			and unfortunately,
		
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			the sense of solidarity
		
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			generated by a disaster
		
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			can be ephemeral.
		
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			More than that, without a disaster,
		
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			many things can block block the establishment
		
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			of good neighborly ties.
		
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			Political and religious chauvinism,
		
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			ethnic bigotry,
		
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			cultural miscommunication,
		
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			all these can create walls between the neighbors.
		
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			I first saw this negative dynamic where I
		
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			grew up in a small Canadian city known
		
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			for
		
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			me packing the rubber factories.
		
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			There were so few black people in my
		
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			community that they remained individual anomalies, not a
		
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			racial community.
		
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			We, the majority,
		
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			a mix of Canadians of German, Irish, and
		
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			English descent,
		
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			assumed an implicit solidarity
		
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			in being white,
		
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			I suppose,
		
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			only in opposition to the recent Portuguese
		
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			Portuguese immigrants.
		
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			Volver boys called them widows and laughed at
		
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			their shining lab dress shoes.
		
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			Fastidious
		
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			housecrowns
		
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			spoke disapprovingly of the way they turned their
		
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			front lawns into vegetable gardens or shrines to
		
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			Our Lady of Fatima.
		
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			Surely, Plato would have upheld our assertions
		
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			that vegetable gardens
		
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			belong in the backyard.
		
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			But their children were pretty much like us,
		
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			and by the time we were teenagers,
		
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			we were all embarrassed by our parents, our
		
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			parents, so it didn't matter much anymore.
		
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			Alas, the problem of bigotry and alienation
		
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			from people construed
		
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			other than us does not end
		
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			with a reconciliation
		
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			among neighbors.
		
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			All too often, our hard one unity is
		
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			solidified
		
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			at the expense of others
		
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			and justified
		
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			through values such as national interest.
		
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			National identity and citizenship
		
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			is like an exclusive club.
		
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			If you get in, you have all privileges.
		
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			If not, then our collective interests
		
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			surpass your rights,
		
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			even your basic rights,
		
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			to control and benefit from your natural resources
		
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			and lands.
		
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			Cosmopolitanism
		
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			of Philosophy of social ethics, attempts to find
		
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			ways to bridge the divide we make between
		
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			us and others,
		
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			to try to find ways to erase the
		
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			preference we give to those familiar
		
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			over those who are strangers.
		
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			Some suggest that only deliberate estrangement from your
		
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			own people is sufficient to break such group
		
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			prejudice.
		
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			Others might consider such estrangement
		
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			extreme that is permanent,
		
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			but that it could be an ethical action.
		
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			If taken to the group to the degree
		
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			necessary
		
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			to break the pattern
		
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			of granting those close to you
		
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			rights
		
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			and concern and compassion
		
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			about those who are distant.
		
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			Of course, there are many people in the
		
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			world
		
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			who do not have the choice
		
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			but to be estranged
		
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			from their people
		
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			and their native lands.
		
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			They're forced into displacement by economic, ecological,
		
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			and political
		
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			upheaval. They feel disconnected
		
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			to people
		
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			and lost in the land where they now
		
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			find themselves.
		
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			The question we need to ask ourselves
		
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			is,
		
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			if we can turn this estrangement, this feeling
		
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			of disconnection,
		
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			into a positive
		
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			an opportunity for positive spiritual growth.
		
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			When the prophet Mohammed and his followers did
		
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			flee Mecca because of oppression, they settled in
		
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			a land
		
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			that was culturally and ecologically different.
		
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			Many of the prophet's companions fell ill in
		
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			Medina.
		
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			One of them, Bilal,
		
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			incapacitated
		
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			by fever, recited some lines of poetry.
		
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			Would that I could stay overnight in a
		
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			valley,
		
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			wherein I would be surrounded
		
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			by the sweet smelling grasses I know.
		
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			Would that one day I drink the water
		
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			of
		
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			Mejana, and would it the 2 mountains of
		
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			Shana and Tophiel appear to me?
		
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			Bilal missed his homeland,
		
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			the taste of its water,
		
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			its smells,
		
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			the contours of its landscape.
		
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			How many today share his sense of longing?
		
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			But to flee oppression
		
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			is a requirement
		
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			if we have the opportunity
		
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			to do so.
		
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			They fled from Mecca to Medina
		
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			to a foreign land
		
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			for the sake of living an ethical life,
		
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			A life where they could live in accordance
		
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			with the law, and not have to distort
		
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			their behavior
		
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			in order to survive
		
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			in an unlawful and
		
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			take the souls of though those who die
		
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			in
		
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			sin, or who die in a state of
		
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			hurting their own selves,
		
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			the angels will say,
		
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			what's your story?
		
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			What was your situation?
		
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			And they reply,
		
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			we were weak and oppressed
		
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			on the earth.
		
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			The angels will say,
		
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			was not god's earth spacious enough for you
		
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			to move yourselves away from evil?
		
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			So there's an ethical obligation to try to
		
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			find that place to find that place
		
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			where we can
		
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			live as full human beings, as human beings
		
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			of integrity and ethics.
		
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			And this is certainly why many people come
		
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			to this country, why many people come to
		
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			Canada
		
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			and other countries that are governed by the
		
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			rule of law.
		
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			And that is, of course, why we emphasize
		
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			the need
		
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			for us and them to understand
		
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			the value and the significance
		
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			of this system
		
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			that ensures the rule of law.
		
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			And it is certainly why I believe as
		
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			a Muslim
		
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			that it is absolutely our obligation
		
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			to reiterate
		
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			and emphasize
		
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			the value of the system
		
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			and the need to support and defend the
		
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			system. That
		
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			the system of law, the rule of law
		
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			that protects
		
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			people and ensures their religious freedom
		
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			and their ability to live in a way
		
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			that is
		
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			true to their values and beliefs is absolutely
		
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			critical.
		
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			If we are to identify
		
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			the nation, the modern nation state, if there
		
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			is
		
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			something good in the modern nation state, it
		
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			is this ability
		
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			to establish itself through a rule of law.
		
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			But there are many other levels
		
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			or perspectives from which we can analyze
		
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			the nation and our community.
		
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			And, of course, the problem, as I implied
		
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			earlier,
		
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			is when we consider our nation
		
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			to be
		
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			superior in and of itself,
		
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			and are the people of our nation
		
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			to be
		
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			demanding and deserving
		
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			more of having their rights, and not just
		
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			their rights, but their needs and even their
		
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			wishes fulfilled
		
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			at the expense of others.
		
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			This is the
		
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			estrangement.
		
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			This is where estrangement is needed, estrangement from
		
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			the interest of the group of the group.
		
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			The group sentiment is something that the great,
		
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			Arab Muslim
		
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			philosopher Ibn Khaldun talked about.
		
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			The fact that
		
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			this
		
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			zeal for the group, which he called,
		
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			is so important
		
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			as a source of cohesion in society.
		
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			It's natural within ourselves,
		
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			surely during this time of the World Cup.
		
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			We must understand that.
		
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			But when
		
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			in the World Cup, we're playing on a
		
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			field
		
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			where the rules are equal,
		
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			and the rules are high equally tall.
		
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			The goal then is to have a field
		
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			where all of us as nations, as people,
		
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			if this is how we are going to
		
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			be formed politically,
		
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			applying the same rules to us as to
		
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			them, wherever they and we are.
		
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			When
		
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			Bilal, the companion of the prophet,
		
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			missed his homeland,
		
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			He was
		
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			not
		
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			expressing
		
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			some longing for
		
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			the
		
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			oppression of Mecca.
		
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			He was simply recognizing
		
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			and expressing a very natural
		
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			human connection
		
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			to the land
		
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			that is familiar to us.
		
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			There is
		
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			a question
		
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			of whether any particular
		
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			land is more holy or more sacred
		
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			or more special
		
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			than another land.
		
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			The
		
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			Quran answers this,
		
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			I think, for Muslims saying,
		
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			allowing
		
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			us to spread out across the earth to
		
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			seek our livelihood. In fact, commanding us to
		
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			do that.
		
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			And the prophet Mohammed said, the earth
		
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			has been made wholesome for me.
		
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			And the earth itself, the dirt,
		
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			the soil is a means of purification.
		
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			If you don't have water, you can purify
		
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			yourself with clean soil.
		
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			And the earth has been made
		
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			a mosque
		
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			for us, a place of prayer.
		
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			So wherever a person may be when the
		
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			time for prayer comes,
		
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			let him or her pray wherever he or
		
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			she finds himself.
		
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			Our acts of worship do ground us.
		
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			Anywhere we move,
		
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			any place where we go in the world,
		
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			first, we have to figure out where we
		
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			are on this earth in order to know
		
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			how to pray.
		
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			We have to define that direction
		
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			of the pibla,
		
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			the direction of the prayer.
		
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			We need to figure out the course of
		
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			the sun to know the times for prayers.
		
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			This should bring us in contact with the
		
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			land
		
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			and our evolution
		
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			in contact
		
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			The relationship
		
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			between nature and culture and making us feel
		
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			grounded and making us feel of a
		
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			place
		
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			is complex.
		
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			When I was a child, I would roam
		
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			the woods with my siblings and cousins.
		
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			We were fortunate to have land shared by
		
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			our large extended family for generations
		
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			with summer homes strung along the shoreline.
		
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			The property was a heavily wooded headland on
		
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			an island,
		
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			surrounded on three sides by the Saint Lawrence
		
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			River.
		
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			Now this was an age before a seatbelt
		
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			and bicycle helmets and parents
		
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			accompanying their children to the playground.
		
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			There were always enough siblings or neighbor kids
		
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			or cousins around to form a collectivity.
		
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			They gave us sufficient
		
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			measure of safety.
		
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			There was a kind of instinctive cuddling together
		
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			that kids had, like those schools of fish
		
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			you see on the Discovery Channel.
		
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			I remember one of the many days we
		
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			had decided to set out for an adventure,
		
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			this time to head to the big marsh
		
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			to look for turtles.
		
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			My mother wasn't sure we should go that
		
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			far, but my father said,
		
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			remember,
		
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			you are never lost.
		
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			Just keep going, and you'll eventually arrive either
		
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			at the road
		
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			or at the shore.
		
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			And then you can follow that home until
		
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			it takes you some place familiar.
		
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			You can follow it until it takes you
		
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			some place familiar, and then you can find
		
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			your way home from there.
		
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			Now, I know this is probably not good
		
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			advice for every environment. I've seen enough wilderness
		
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			survivor shows to know that foraging straight ahead
		
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			in a resilient rainforest or an arctic tundra,
		
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			for example,
		
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			is not necessarily a successful strategy for keeping
		
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			alive.
		
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			But it was the right advice for this
		
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			particular stretch of land upon which we wandered
		
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			and where my father and his siblings and
		
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			cousins had explored before us.
		
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			And beneath my father's instructions was so wisdom
		
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			that there are 2 kinds of things
		
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			we can always find to guide us on
		
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			this Earth.
		
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			Human made things like a road,
		
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			and natural made things like a shoreline.
		
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			That is, the paths
		
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			that other people
		
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			have made before us,
		
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			and the paths that God has set in
		
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			nature.
		
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			Cultural and natural signs for the journey.
		
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			We live in a time of great displacement
		
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			and transition.
		
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			Many feel lost and out of place.
		
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			To feel like we belong in a place,
		
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			in the place where we live, we need
		
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			to be connected to both the nature and
		
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			the culture of that place.
		
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			Otherwise,
		
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			even if we are accompanied by some brothers
		
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			and sisters, we will feel lost.
		
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			We need those who have been there before
		
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			us to orient us.
		
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			But we need to set out and seek
		
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			this learning
		
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			and orientation.
		
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			In Canada,
		
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			it was the Aboriginal people who did this
		
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			for the early English and French explorers,
		
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			helping them navigate the inland waters,
		
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			that is, to see the natural
		
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			signs, as well as showing them cultural practices
		
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			like canoe building that would carry them through
		
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			the land
		
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			to the places they needed to go.
		
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			The Quran
		
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			links the ability of humans to move through
		
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			the earth
		
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			as indicative
		
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			of their dignity.
		
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			The Quran says, we have conferred dignity on
		
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			the children of Adam and born them over
		
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			land and sea,
		
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			and provided for them sustenance
		
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			of the good things of life,
		
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			and thus favored them far above most of
		
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			our creation.
		
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			So while
		
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			we who are in transition,
		
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			who feel displaced,
		
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			who are on the move,
		
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			are working to build
		
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			our relationships
		
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			of culture,
		
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			figuring out
		
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			how we live together our shared values.
		
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			We can feel more at home on this
		
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			Earth
		
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			by connecting with the land,
		
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			and with the other beings created by God
		
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			who lived there.
		
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			While we are figuring out the cultures of
		
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			the people,
		
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			we can have an easier time sometimes
		
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			with the non human beings.
		
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			And this is part of feeling at home
		
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			in the world as well,
		
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			is knowing
		
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			and understanding
		
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			our place in the community of all living
		
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			things.
		
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			We live in circles of community,
		
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			religious,
		
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			familial,
		
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			national,
		
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			and also
		
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			the community
		
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			of living beings, human and non human.
		
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			The Quran talks about other creatures as having
		
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			their own communities that intersect with ours.
		
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			Quran says, don't you see that it is
		
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			God
		
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			the
		
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			wings outspread.
		
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			Each one knows its own prayer and praise.
		
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			Even if you are praying alone in the
		
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			woods,
		
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			or you think you are alone,
		
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			you are surrounded
		
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			by other beings
		
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			that are in a state of prayer and
		
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			praise. The Quran says there is not an
		
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			animal
		
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			praise. LeGrand says there is not an animal
		
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			on the Earth nor a flying creature on
		
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			2 wings, but they are communities.
		
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			The word here used as Umma,
		
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			which we often think as somehow special to
		
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			the Wilson religious community.
		
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			But they too are in communities
		
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			like yours.
		
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			So even if we don't know many people,
		
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			we shouldn't feel alone,
		
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			because they are all around
		
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			us. Indeed,
		
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			even
		
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			the little ants that invade our kitchens this
		
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			time of year.
		
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			But we have to remember
		
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			the chapter of the Quran that's named after
		
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			the end.
		
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			And what a striking shift of perspective
		
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			God gives us in this
		
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			passage of the Quran because the ant is
		
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			mentioned
		
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			in the context of the description of the
		
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			majestic and great army
		
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			of Solomon.
		
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			And he marbles his troops and he begins
		
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			marching out on the earth.
		
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			And we have that perspective
		
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			of the human ability to be dominant and
		
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			powerful.
		
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			And suddenly,
		
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			the little voice of the ant comes and
		
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			says, hey,
		
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			Solomon.
		
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			Solomon is up there all you other ants.
		
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			Run into your home so you don't get
		
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			trampled on.
		
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			God lets us hear what the ants are
		
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			saying to remind us
		
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			that there are others on this earth
		
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			who share this space and who have a
		
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			right
		
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			to have their communities exist
		
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			undisturbed.
		
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			Solomon is given the gift of
		
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			the ability
		
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			to understand
		
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			the end, and reassures her
		
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			that you will not trample
		
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			upon her home.
		
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			So they are there all around us,
		
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			and it can make us
		
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			feel a sense of
		
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			comfort and community,
		
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			even during the time when it seems a
		
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			little bit difficult
		
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			to figure out the people around us?
		
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			How do we feel that we know where
		
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			we are, that we have knowledge?
		
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			God,
		
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			in the holy Quran
		
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			describes the creation of humanity.
		
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			And it is by the act of teaching
		
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			Adam the names of all things
		
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			that Adam
		
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			become acquires and assumes
		
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			this position on the Earth
		
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			of being in charge
		
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			as the steward of the earth,
		
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			and and knowing
		
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			himself and his place in creation.
		
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			What does it mean
		
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			to come to a place
		
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			and be taught
		
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			those names?
		
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			It is this mountain.
		
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			This is Avon Mountain. This is Avon Mountain.
		
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			This is the Farmington River.
		
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			This is a cardinal.
		
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			This is a red tailed hawk.
		
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			All of these things
		
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			help us
		
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			feel empowered because we know
		
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			the context in which we are. We know
		
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			how to call things.
		
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			We know who is around us and what
		
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			is around us.
		
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			I went last summer to,
		
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			to New Zealand
		
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			to visit my best friend and to celebrate
		
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			my 50th birthday with her.
		
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			Amazing.
		
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			I think of it all the time.
		
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			New Zealand has been very generous in welcoming,
		
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			you know, a significant number of war refugees
		
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			you
		
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			Certainly, if you're coming from Somalia,
		
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			it's pretty different.
		
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			And I met
		
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			a community
		
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			of
		
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			civilians
		
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			in the middle of New Zealand. They come
		
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			from war.
		
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			They come from a society that was in
		
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			great upheaval,
		
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			and they come to a place
		
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			where there
		
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			were lovely, welcoming people, but these people didn't
		
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			look very much like them at all.
		
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			Probably about as different among human beings as
		
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			you could get.
		
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			Their customs, their habits, their way of reading,
		
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			their expectations
		
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			for
		
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			many things
		
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			about the way that people would
		
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			live in society, how they would socialize,
		
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			were very different.
		
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			They felt awkward.
		
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			They
		
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			felt foreign.
		
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			They felt alien.
		
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			And in this context,
		
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			there is a
		
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			brilliant woman,
		
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			a Japanese American,
		
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			who had moved there and saw, especially with
		
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			the teenage girls, the young girls,
		
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			how difficult it was for them. They felt
		
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			so awkward.
		
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			They wore their scarves and their clothes
		
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			and walked through.
		
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			Their parents were so afraid to let them
		
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			go anywhere. It seemed like such an unfamiliar
		
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			and unsafe place.
		
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			So this woman decided
		
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			to get these girls connected with the land
		
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			in which they lived.
		
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			They weren't going to go to the clubs
		
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			with the other teenagers.
		
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			They weren't going to go to the dances
		
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			and the parties.
		
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			So all they could feel there is that
		
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			they didn't belong. They didn't have something to
		
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			do in this place.
		
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			So she designed
		
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			a program,
		
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			an outdoor leadership program.
		
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			3 years these girls were in this program.
		
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			They learned
		
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			to kayak,
		
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			and set up a tent,
		
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			and start a fire,
		
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			and rappel,
		
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			and mountain climb,
		
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			and fish,
		
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			and
		
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			many more things.
		
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			When I met these girls,
		
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			it was immediately
		
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			evident
		
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			in how they stood,
		
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			the success that this program had created. And
		
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			I've seen many other refugee communities in the
		
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			country
		
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			before them.
		
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			These girls, even though
		
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			they stood
		
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			about a foot shorter than me,
		
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			they were even short for me,
		
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			they were standing strong,
		
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			tall,
		
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			short edged back.
		
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			They had a posture
		
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			that said
		
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			they owned this space that they were
		
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			in. And they said to me when I
		
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			got there, they said, oh,
		
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			do you like the outdoors? Do you like
		
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			hiking? I said, I love hiking. They said,
		
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			then you have to go to this mountain
		
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			and take this path because it is so
		
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			beautiful. Will you have time to go to
		
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			the river? Our favorite place in the river
		
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			is this. And they described to me their
		
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			whole landscape
		
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			and what I would see there.
		
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			And it was such a powerful
		
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			example
		
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			of how
		
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			beginning with the connection
		
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			it built a sense of confidence that allowed
		
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			them
		
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			to engage with others, and it also built
		
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			a common love for the land with the
		
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			other people.
		
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			And
		
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			it is something that the people of New
		
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			Zealand is very important to them.
		
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			And so now they have a deep embodied
		
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			sense of belonging
		
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			and commonality
		
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			with their neighbors.
		
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			Now
		
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			if you return, however, to the issue of
		
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			creating a unity among the differences that we
		
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			have, whether it is
		
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			between neighbors
		
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			as after living,
		
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			you know, for many years in my neighborhood
		
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			in West Hartford,
		
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			developed
		
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			ties and feelings of commonality and unity with
		
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			my neighbors,
		
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			or this
		
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			Somalian refugee
		
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			community in New Zealand and their sense of
		
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			becoming grounded and having something to share,
		
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			how do we then,
		
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			after becoming
		
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			grounded
		
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			and and part grounded in the land and
		
00:34:09 --> 00:34:10
			part of society,
		
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			not simply fall into the old pattern
		
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			of preferring what keeps us comfortable
		
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			over the rights of others.
		
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			And one of the major problems for us,
		
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			of course,
		
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			is that
		
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			the land that we come into
		
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			is not always
		
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			untested.
		
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			When I returned to Canada after living abroad
		
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			for abroad in the United States, here for
		
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			so long,
		
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			government to finally honor its treaty obligations.
		
00:35:10 --> 00:35:13
			Canada still has outstanding over 600
		
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			treaties with First Nations people
		
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			that are either unfulfilled or whose terms have
		
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			been broken.
		
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			And it's become particularly urgent now at at
		
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			a time of massive oil,
		
00:35:25 --> 00:35:27
			and natural resource extraction
		
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			when,
		
00:35:29 --> 00:35:31
			the government and corporations
		
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			are leveraging
		
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			the
		
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			undecided or indeterminate
		
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			status
		
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			of these treaties
		
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			to push through,
		
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			these projects.
		
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			When I
		
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			returned to Canada
		
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			and learned about what was happening,
		
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			at the same time there was a,
		
00:35:53 --> 00:35:55
			one of the chiefs, Chief Teresa Spence, from
		
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			one of the northern communities
		
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			who had petitioned the government again and again
		
00:36:01 --> 00:36:03
			and again and again to come and do
		
00:36:03 --> 00:36:03
			something,
		
00:36:05 --> 00:36:08
			to resolve these issues. When the government refused
		
00:36:08 --> 00:36:09
			to listen, she decided
		
00:36:10 --> 00:36:11
			to camp out
		
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			on a small island
		
00:36:14 --> 00:36:15
			in the Ottawa River
		
00:36:16 --> 00:36:17
			that is right in a cliff,
		
00:36:20 --> 00:36:21
			where the parliament,
		
00:36:22 --> 00:36:23
			the parliament of Canada stands
		
00:36:32 --> 00:36:34
			so she was able to
		
00:36:35 --> 00:36:36
			camp on this. So tree
		
00:36:38 --> 00:36:40
			she's she's Teresa Spence camp there for a
		
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			number of months, and people came to visit
		
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			her.
		
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			It was to express support,
		
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			and I really felt called to go do
		
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			this,
		
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			to
		
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			demonstrate solidarity with this movement.
		
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			When I was on my way,
		
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			this is a quick short drive in the
		
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			weekend in February,
		
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			I remembered that a Hartford Seminary
		
00:37:02 --> 00:37:03
			alum,
		
00:37:04 --> 00:37:04
			Sammy
		
00:37:20 --> 00:37:23
			and then became so enamored and and just
		
00:37:23 --> 00:37:24
			enthusiastic
		
00:37:24 --> 00:37:27
			about Christian Muslim relations and interfaith relations that
		
00:37:27 --> 00:37:29
			he stayed and studied here. And,
		
00:37:32 --> 00:37:34
			and when I was asked for recommendations
		
00:37:34 --> 00:37:34
			about
		
00:37:35 --> 00:37:38
			an imam for a number of places, I
		
00:37:38 --> 00:37:40
			gave Sam his name, and he eventually,
		
00:37:41 --> 00:37:42
			established himself in Ottawa.
		
00:37:43 --> 00:37:44
			So I gave Sami a call and I
		
00:37:44 --> 00:37:45
			said,
		
00:37:45 --> 00:37:47
			look, I'm on the road. I'm gonna come
		
00:37:47 --> 00:37:49
			to Ottawa. I'd really like to see your,
		
00:37:49 --> 00:37:51
			visit you for a few minutes and see
		
00:37:51 --> 00:37:52
			your new setting.
		
00:37:53 --> 00:37:54
			So, of course, by by the time I
		
00:37:54 --> 00:37:56
			got there, standing at the guy with a
		
00:37:56 --> 00:37:57
			few 100 people
		
00:37:57 --> 00:37:58
			in the mosque
		
00:37:59 --> 00:38:00
			and said,
		
00:38:01 --> 00:38:02
			you have to you have to give us
		
00:38:02 --> 00:38:03
			a lecture. You have to tell us what
		
00:38:03 --> 00:38:04
			you're doing.
		
00:38:05 --> 00:38:07
			And so I talked about it, and I
		
00:38:07 --> 00:38:08
			talked about
		
00:38:09 --> 00:38:09
			the importance
		
00:38:10 --> 00:38:12
			of Muslims understanding this context,
		
00:38:13 --> 00:38:16
			particularly in the context of honoring the treaties
		
00:38:16 --> 00:38:16
			and covenants.
		
00:38:18 --> 00:38:19
			The Quran says,
		
00:38:20 --> 00:38:22
			be not like the one who breaks
		
00:38:32 --> 00:38:33
			some of you may be more powerful
		
00:38:34 --> 00:38:35
			than others.
		
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			The Koran says that the breaking
		
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			of an oath and all of these treaties
		
00:38:40 --> 00:38:42
			were made as a as a as a
		
00:38:42 --> 00:38:45
			solemn oath that the parties would uphold the
		
00:38:45 --> 00:38:46
			sides.
		
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			The breaking of an oath must be atoned
		
00:38:48 --> 00:38:49
			for
		
00:38:49 --> 00:38:52
			by feeding 10 needy persons with the same
		
00:38:53 --> 00:38:55
			food as you yourself would consume,
		
00:38:55 --> 00:38:58
			or by giving the same clothing, or by
		
00:38:58 --> 00:39:00
			freeing a human being from bondage.
		
00:39:02 --> 00:39:04
			The prophet Muhammad is reporting to have said,
		
00:39:04 --> 00:39:07
			whoever takes a false oath to deprive someone
		
00:39:07 --> 00:39:08
			of his property
		
00:39:08 --> 00:39:11
			will find god angry with them when he
		
00:39:11 --> 00:39:13
			meets God on the day of judgment.
		
00:39:14 --> 00:39:16
			It is these very stern commands
		
00:39:17 --> 00:39:19
			that made me afraid, the son of God,
		
00:39:19 --> 00:39:22
			of what this meant to be on the
		
00:39:22 --> 00:39:22
			side
		
00:39:23 --> 00:39:24
			of the tree,
		
00:39:25 --> 00:39:25
			breakers.
		
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			When
		
00:39:28 --> 00:39:29
			I,
		
00:39:30 --> 00:39:31
			finished my lecture
		
00:39:31 --> 00:39:33
			and I said to Imam Sami that I
		
00:39:33 --> 00:39:34
			was now heading
		
00:39:34 --> 00:39:37
			down to the side, he said, why would
		
00:39:37 --> 00:39:38
			I quit there?
		
00:39:40 --> 00:39:42
			So he had this white, white,
		
00:39:43 --> 00:39:44
			imam thaw on,
		
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			and,
		
00:39:47 --> 00:39:48
			threw in a jacket,
		
00:39:49 --> 00:39:50
			completely inappropriately
		
00:39:50 --> 00:39:51
			dressed for February
		
00:39:52 --> 00:39:53
			in, Ottawa,
		
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			Canada.
		
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			Lots of snow, and it was a cold
		
00:39:58 --> 00:40:00
			snap even for us.
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:01
			But he was enthusiastic,
		
00:40:02 --> 00:40:04
			so he and a few of the members
		
00:40:04 --> 00:40:05
			of the board of trustees came with us,
		
00:40:05 --> 00:40:07
			and we went down to the camp.
		
00:40:08 --> 00:40:10
			Of course, Sam was very enthusiastic, and he
		
00:40:10 --> 00:40:11
			was talking to everyone and
		
00:40:15 --> 00:40:16
			about the conversation
		
00:40:17 --> 00:40:17
			with 1 of the,
		
00:40:18 --> 00:40:19
			men from,
		
00:40:20 --> 00:40:21
			Chief Teresa Spence's tribe,
		
00:40:22 --> 00:40:23
			who said to him, look,
		
00:40:23 --> 00:40:24
			it's like this.
		
00:40:26 --> 00:40:26
			Either
		
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			you
		
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			are
		
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			a First Nation, a member of First Nation,
		
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			or you're a settler.
		
00:40:35 --> 00:40:37
			And the look of
		
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			confusion
		
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			and realization
		
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			on the face of someone who just immigrated
		
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			to Canada a year
		
00:40:45 --> 00:40:46
			year ago was
		
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			interesting to see.
		
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			Here, you had set up this dichotomy,
		
00:40:51 --> 00:40:53
			I think. I mean, most immigrants set up
		
00:40:53 --> 00:40:55
			a dichotomy in their mind that
		
00:40:56 --> 00:40:57
			they are immigrants
		
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			or new Canadians or new Americans, and
		
00:41:02 --> 00:41:03
			vis a vis
		
00:41:03 --> 00:41:03
			the
		
00:41:05 --> 00:41:07
			old Canadians or the ones who are already
		
00:41:07 --> 00:41:07
			there.
		
00:41:08 --> 00:41:10
			So he considered himself to be on the
		
00:41:10 --> 00:41:14
			side a minority in Canada. Right? He was
		
00:41:14 --> 00:41:16
			a minority who was trying to find his
		
00:41:16 --> 00:41:17
			way and to ensure
		
00:41:17 --> 00:41:18
			his rights and his survival there. Now he
		
00:41:18 --> 00:41:19
			was being told, Don't. You're a settler.
		
00:41:34 --> 00:41:38
			This was a this is a beautiful
		
00:41:38 --> 00:41:39
			moment, actually,
		
00:41:40 --> 00:41:43
			to create that kind of alienation and displacement
		
00:41:44 --> 00:41:44
			because now
		
00:41:47 --> 00:41:49
			any of us from this position would see
		
00:41:49 --> 00:41:51
			that we are never simply
		
00:41:51 --> 00:41:52
			the disempowered,
		
00:41:52 --> 00:41:55
			or we're never simply the minority,
		
00:41:55 --> 00:41:57
			that we are also,
		
00:41:57 --> 00:41:59
			at the same time, simultaneously,
		
00:42:00 --> 00:42:03
			almost all of us in a position of
		
00:42:03 --> 00:42:06
			empowerment empowerment and in a position where we
		
00:42:06 --> 00:42:06
			are,
		
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			continuing a system that denies others their rights.
		
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			And of course, he was wonderful. And, you
		
00:42:13 --> 00:42:15
			know, a few days later, he went and
		
00:42:15 --> 00:42:18
			brought his his whole family, all his kids,
		
00:42:18 --> 00:42:21
			his wife down to meet everyone there and
		
00:42:21 --> 00:42:22
			continue with this education.
		
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			So it was a wonderful, you know, example
		
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			of you know, obviously he's a smart and
		
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			ethical person who would continue this.
		
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			But this is something that is,
		
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			a major issue in the world today.
		
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			This is not just an an issue just
		
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			for Canadians, but every place in the world
		
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			where indigenous people have had their lands taken
		
00:42:45 --> 00:42:46
			from them in the past
		
00:42:47 --> 00:42:49
			by colonial powers or settlers.
		
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			This has and this has occurred from the
		
00:42:53 --> 00:42:56
			most northern regions of North America to the
		
00:42:56 --> 00:42:57
			southern tip of South America,
		
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			as well as Australia and New Zealand.
		
00:43:01 --> 00:43:03
			But we can't just make this a white
		
00:43:03 --> 00:43:03
			or European
		
00:43:04 --> 00:43:05
			problem,
		
00:43:06 --> 00:43:09
			because as this man had pointed out to
		
00:43:09 --> 00:43:10
			Imam Sami,
		
00:43:10 --> 00:43:13
			those of us who come from other places
		
00:43:14 --> 00:43:15
			become
		
00:43:15 --> 00:43:16
			part of the empowered
		
00:43:17 --> 00:43:18
			class.
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:21
			And the group that continues to perpetuate
		
00:43:22 --> 00:43:22
			a system
		
00:43:23 --> 00:43:24
			where these rights,
		
00:43:25 --> 00:43:27
			the group rights, the historical rights continue to
		
00:43:27 --> 00:43:28
			be denied.
		
00:43:32 --> 00:43:35
			The seizing of land for the sake of
		
00:43:35 --> 00:43:38
			establishing a new colonial settlement in your nation
		
00:43:38 --> 00:43:41
			is generally not possible in the 21st
		
00:43:42 --> 00:43:42
			century,
		
00:43:44 --> 00:43:44
			tragically,
		
00:43:45 --> 00:43:48
			so called ethnic cleansing within nations is still
		
00:43:48 --> 00:43:49
			alive and well,
		
00:43:49 --> 00:43:52
			with the result that some groups seize and
		
00:43:52 --> 00:43:54
			occupy the lands of a dehumanized
		
00:43:54 --> 00:43:55
			and stigmatized
		
00:43:55 --> 00:43:56
			group.
		
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			The most extreme and horrifying case at this
		
00:43:59 --> 00:44:02
			time, perhaps, is occurring in Myanmar,
		
00:44:03 --> 00:44:06
			whereas we have seen recently in Nicholas Kristof's
		
00:44:06 --> 00:44:07
			reporting and elsewhere,
		
00:44:08 --> 00:44:10
			even Buddhist monks are justifying
		
00:44:10 --> 00:44:13
			and encouraging the more more murder of their
		
00:44:13 --> 00:44:14
			origin.
		
00:44:15 --> 00:44:18
			The situation demands urgent attention, which it is
		
00:44:18 --> 00:44:20
			not getting. However, that is not the focus
		
00:44:20 --> 00:44:21
			of my talk today.
		
00:44:22 --> 00:44:25
			Rather, I return our attention to the ethics
		
00:44:25 --> 00:44:26
			of land use and acquisition
		
00:44:27 --> 00:44:29
			as it relates to our ability to live
		
00:44:29 --> 00:44:31
			ethically on this earth.
		
00:44:32 --> 00:44:34
			There are many places
		
00:44:34 --> 00:44:36
			in the world where land is being acquired,
		
00:44:36 --> 00:44:38
			not for the sake of settling,
		
00:44:39 --> 00:44:41
			but in order to extract and transport
		
00:44:48 --> 00:44:50
			of commercial farms for export.
		
00:44:51 --> 00:44:53
			The sovereign wealth funds of countries such as
		
00:44:53 --> 00:44:55
			Saudi Arabia and China,
		
00:44:56 --> 00:44:57
			as well
		
00:44:57 --> 00:44:59
			as American, Canadian,
		
00:44:59 --> 00:45:00
			and global corporations
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:01
			have,
		
00:45:02 --> 00:45:03
			with their deep pockets,
		
00:45:04 --> 00:45:05
			somehow convinced
		
00:45:05 --> 00:45:08
			governments to appropriate the lands
		
00:45:08 --> 00:45:11
			for the per for purposes that mostly violate
		
00:45:11 --> 00:45:13
			the common good. And the interests of the
		
00:45:13 --> 00:45:14
			people,
		
00:45:15 --> 00:45:17
			be they aboriginal or simply
		
00:45:17 --> 00:45:19
			residents and citizens,
		
00:45:19 --> 00:45:22
			not to mention the animals and other creatures,
		
00:45:22 --> 00:45:23
			could inhabit these lands.
		
00:45:24 --> 00:45:25
			This is happening in Brazil,
		
00:45:32 --> 00:45:35
			is not a European problem. It is not
		
00:45:35 --> 00:45:37
			a white problem. It's a global problem.
		
00:45:45 --> 00:45:47
			You know, one of the first things Muslims
		
00:45:47 --> 00:45:49
			do when they move to a place after
		
00:45:55 --> 00:45:57
			orienting themselves in the world,
		
00:45:58 --> 00:46:00
			is to look for so called halal
		
00:46:01 --> 00:46:01
			food.
		
00:46:02 --> 00:46:05
			What they mean by that is meat that
		
00:46:05 --> 00:46:06
			has been slaughtered in a
		
00:46:07 --> 00:46:08
			lawful fashion.
		
00:46:09 --> 00:46:12
			Now, classical Islamic law books do not talk
		
00:46:12 --> 00:46:14
			about halal nut. It's
		
00:46:15 --> 00:46:16
			a modern
		
00:46:16 --> 00:46:17
			turn of phrase.
		
00:46:18 --> 00:46:21
			They simply describe the rules for the slaughter
		
00:46:21 --> 00:46:22
			of animals for consumption,
		
00:46:24 --> 00:46:26
			But they also describe the rules
		
00:46:27 --> 00:46:28
			for the acquisition of land,
		
00:46:29 --> 00:46:30
			for the use of water,
		
00:46:32 --> 00:46:33
			for for the
		
00:46:34 --> 00:46:35
			use or acquisition
		
00:46:36 --> 00:46:37
			of so called
		
00:46:40 --> 00:46:40
			dead land
		
00:46:41 --> 00:46:43
			for what kind of crops
		
00:46:44 --> 00:46:46
			should be grown, and when those crops are
		
00:46:46 --> 00:46:46
			grown,
		
00:46:48 --> 00:46:50
			who has a right to share it in
		
00:46:50 --> 00:46:50
			none?
		
00:46:52 --> 00:46:52
			In the wake
		
00:46:53 --> 00:46:54
			of colonialism,
		
00:46:54 --> 00:46:55
			perhaps,
		
00:46:56 --> 00:46:58
			much of Islamic law has been reduced to
		
00:46:58 --> 00:46:59
			personal practice,
		
00:47:00 --> 00:47:01
			looking only at very
		
00:47:01 --> 00:47:02
			narrow
		
00:47:02 --> 00:47:03
			personal
		
00:47:03 --> 00:47:04
			obligations,
		
00:47:05 --> 00:47:07
			like the direct connection between
		
00:47:07 --> 00:47:09
			the meat we eat
		
00:47:11 --> 00:47:12
			and ourselves,
		
00:47:13 --> 00:47:14
			and neglecting the systems
		
00:47:15 --> 00:47:16
			in which we live.
		
00:47:16 --> 00:47:18
			Thus, the focus on halal meat is a
		
00:47:18 --> 00:47:19
			selective
		
00:47:21 --> 00:47:23
			constrained set of ethical obligations.
		
00:47:24 --> 00:47:27
			The recent broader concern for the way animals
		
00:47:27 --> 00:47:28
			are treated in their life,
		
00:47:29 --> 00:47:30
			how they are transported,
		
00:47:31 --> 00:47:33
			whether the workers who take care for of
		
00:47:33 --> 00:47:35
			those animals, and so a lot of the
		
00:47:35 --> 00:47:37
			animals are being adequately paid,
		
00:47:38 --> 00:47:40
			and given the rights their labor rights.
		
00:47:41 --> 00:47:42
			All of these
		
00:47:43 --> 00:47:46
			all of the increased interest in these issues
		
00:47:46 --> 00:47:47
			is an appropriate
		
00:47:48 --> 00:47:48
			recommitment
		
00:47:49 --> 00:47:50
			to ethical responsibility.
		
00:47:52 --> 00:47:53
			The least we can do is leverage our
		
00:47:53 --> 00:47:55
			power as consumers
		
00:47:55 --> 00:47:58
			to try to influence the supply chain.
		
00:48:00 --> 00:48:01
			So the question
		
00:48:01 --> 00:48:03
			is, what makes our food
		
00:48:04 --> 00:48:05
			and other goods halal?
		
00:48:07 --> 00:48:09
			And what would it mean
		
00:48:09 --> 00:48:11
			to live on halal
		
00:48:11 --> 00:48:12
			land?
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:18
			What about the resources that we use? What
		
00:48:18 --> 00:48:20
			makes them halal?
		
00:48:23 --> 00:48:25
			Certainly, goods that are taken from disappropriated
		
00:48:26 --> 00:48:28
			land can possibly be lawful.
		
00:48:30 --> 00:48:31
			1 of my students
		
00:48:32 --> 00:48:34
			gave a presentation this week
		
00:48:34 --> 00:48:36
			on Fatima
		
00:48:36 --> 00:48:36
			alfefri
		
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			alfefriya, who's the founder of El Perrine, which
		
00:48:41 --> 00:48:41
			is the oldest
		
00:48:42 --> 00:48:42
			continually
		
00:48:43 --> 00:48:44
			operating
		
00:48:45 --> 00:48:46
			university in the world.
		
00:48:55 --> 00:48:59
			Of her family members died within a short
		
00:48:59 --> 00:49:00
			period of time.
		
00:49:01 --> 00:49:03
			She and her sister inherited this vast wealth.
		
00:49:07 --> 00:49:07
			Fatima
		
00:49:08 --> 00:49:08
			decided
		
00:49:09 --> 00:49:11
			that with it, she wanted to establish
		
00:49:11 --> 00:49:13
			a mosque in a university, and she did
		
00:49:13 --> 00:49:14
			that in Fez.
		
00:49:15 --> 00:49:17
			Some of you may have visited this,
		
00:49:18 --> 00:49:19
			this beautiful,
		
00:49:19 --> 00:49:22
			incredibly blessed place in Fez, Morocco.
		
00:49:23 --> 00:49:25
			And one of the things that she insisted
		
00:49:25 --> 00:49:26
			on is that any
		
00:49:27 --> 00:49:28
			of
		
00:49:31 --> 00:49:32
			the, any of the building materials
		
00:49:33 --> 00:49:36
			used for this mosque university complex could only
		
00:49:36 --> 00:49:39
			be taken from land that she owned.
		
00:49:39 --> 00:49:42
			She didn't want one brick or one tile
		
00:49:42 --> 00:49:43
			or one stone
		
00:49:43 --> 00:49:45
			to be acquired unlawfully.
		
00:49:49 --> 00:49:51
			The first thing she did before that was
		
00:49:51 --> 00:49:52
			to dig a well,
		
00:49:53 --> 00:49:55
			a well that all of the people here
		
00:49:55 --> 00:49:57
			could benefit from.
		
00:49:58 --> 00:50:00
			So we see this woman, this amazing woman,
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:03
			and I can't help but believe that it
		
00:50:03 --> 00:50:04
			is because of her
		
00:50:05 --> 00:50:05
			sincerity,
		
00:50:06 --> 00:50:09
			because of her commitment to ethics, to to
		
00:50:09 --> 00:50:11
			doing this project ethically,
		
00:50:12 --> 00:50:15
			that God has blessed this institution with such
		
00:50:15 --> 00:50:15
			longevity.
		
00:50:19 --> 00:50:20
			This concern
		
00:50:21 --> 00:50:23
			to make sure that what we do
		
00:50:23 --> 00:50:24
			is rooted
		
00:50:25 --> 00:50:25
			in
		
00:50:26 --> 00:50:27
			lawful land,
		
00:50:27 --> 00:50:30
			is rooted in a blessed work.
		
00:50:31 --> 00:50:33
			She wanted to make sure her workers also
		
00:50:34 --> 00:50:35
			had what they needed.
		
00:50:38 --> 00:50:41
			This is something that is a consistent theme
		
00:50:41 --> 00:50:42
			in
		
00:50:42 --> 00:50:46
			much Islamic spiritual literature that is has been,
		
00:50:47 --> 00:50:48
			I would say,
		
00:50:48 --> 00:50:49
			marginalized
		
00:50:49 --> 00:50:50
			and neglected
		
00:50:50 --> 00:50:52
			in much of modern Islam.
		
00:50:53 --> 00:50:55
			I believe part of it is because of
		
00:50:56 --> 00:50:59
			a general air of hostility in many places
		
00:50:59 --> 00:51:00
			towards
		
00:51:00 --> 00:51:02
			classical Islamic spirituality
		
00:51:02 --> 00:51:03
			or Sufism,
		
00:51:04 --> 00:51:06
			both from a kind of modernist, rationalist
		
00:51:08 --> 00:51:10
			approach, but also from the well,
		
00:51:11 --> 00:51:12
			let's call them the right wing
		
00:51:13 --> 00:51:14
			of our religious community,
		
00:51:16 --> 00:51:17
			who have,
		
00:51:17 --> 00:51:20
			oppressed and persecuted the Sufis.
		
00:51:20 --> 00:51:23
			So this idea of this kind of caution
		
00:51:23 --> 00:51:25
			and care for each aspect
		
00:51:26 --> 00:51:29
			of doing something, that blessing only comes by
		
00:51:29 --> 00:51:29
			paying attention
		
00:51:31 --> 00:51:33
			to how we do every part
		
00:51:34 --> 00:51:34
			of something.
		
00:51:35 --> 00:51:36
			That land,
		
00:51:36 --> 00:51:38
			water, people, all of them has been given
		
00:51:38 --> 00:51:40
			attention for there to be a blessing.
		
00:51:47 --> 00:51:48
			Gulf and elsewhere.
		
00:51:50 --> 00:51:51
			Above the gulf and
		
00:51:52 --> 00:51:53
			elsewhere,
		
00:51:54 --> 00:51:56
			not to cast stones and blast houses.
		
00:51:56 --> 00:51:58
			We live on this earth too in the
		
00:51:58 --> 00:51:59
			way that we do.
		
00:52:02 --> 00:52:03
			So what do we do?
		
00:52:04 --> 00:52:05
			You know, it seems so
		
00:52:06 --> 00:52:06
			overwhelming
		
00:52:07 --> 00:52:07
			sometimes.
		
00:52:09 --> 00:52:12
			How could we possibly pay attention to all
		
00:52:12 --> 00:52:12
			of these things?
		
00:52:13 --> 00:52:15
			And in conclusion, I would like to say
		
00:52:15 --> 00:52:16
			that there are
		
00:52:17 --> 00:52:17
			some simple
		
00:52:20 --> 00:52:21
			concepts,
		
00:52:21 --> 00:52:24
			ethical concepts that can help us.
		
00:52:25 --> 00:52:26
			First of all,
		
00:52:27 --> 00:52:29
			if we want to live a so called
		
00:52:29 --> 00:52:30
			halal life,
		
00:52:31 --> 00:52:32
			we
		
00:52:33 --> 00:52:35
			could begin by lessening consumption.
		
00:52:36 --> 00:52:39
			So that if we are mixing the unlawful
		
00:52:39 --> 00:52:40
			with the lawful,
		
00:52:40 --> 00:52:42
			at least it will be minimized.
		
00:52:43 --> 00:52:45
			One of the rules in Islamic law is
		
00:52:45 --> 00:52:46
			that,
		
00:52:46 --> 00:52:49
			you know, if you have to, by necessity,
		
00:52:49 --> 00:52:52
			take something that's unlawful, you can only take
		
00:52:52 --> 00:52:53
			the absolute
		
00:52:53 --> 00:52:56
			minimum that you need to sustain your life.
		
00:53:00 --> 00:53:01
			Lessening consumption
		
00:53:02 --> 00:53:04
			is a general rule that is given to
		
00:53:04 --> 00:53:06
			us by God on the upper hand in
		
00:53:06 --> 00:53:06
			any case,
		
00:53:07 --> 00:53:09
			completely devoid of unethical
		
00:53:10 --> 00:53:13
			context, it is a better spiritual practice overall.
		
00:53:15 --> 00:53:17
			The part Anne says, O children of Adam,
		
00:53:18 --> 00:53:20
			get dressed up to go to your place
		
00:53:20 --> 00:53:22
			of prayer, and eat and drink, but not
		
00:53:22 --> 00:53:23
			in excess.
		
00:53:24 --> 00:53:27
			Surely God does not love those who are
		
00:53:27 --> 00:53:27
			extravagant.
		
00:53:29 --> 00:53:31
			This verse really makes me terrified,
		
00:53:32 --> 00:53:34
			because it doesn't say God does not love
		
00:53:34 --> 00:53:35
			extravagants.
		
00:53:35 --> 00:53:38
			It says God does not love those who
		
00:53:38 --> 00:53:39
			are extravagant.
		
00:53:39 --> 00:53:41
			How terrifying to think god
		
00:53:42 --> 00:53:43
			might
		
00:53:43 --> 00:53:44
			withhold
		
00:53:45 --> 00:53:47
			his love for that part of us,
		
00:53:47 --> 00:53:49
			although I don't think his love would ever
		
00:53:49 --> 00:53:50
			be completely absent.
		
00:53:53 --> 00:53:54
			2nd,
		
00:53:54 --> 00:53:58
			we cannot accomplish, we cannot possibly hope to
		
00:53:58 --> 00:54:00
			live an ethical life
		
00:54:01 --> 00:54:03
			by figuring all of this out ourselves.
		
00:54:05 --> 00:54:07
			It's too much research, too much information.
		
00:54:07 --> 00:54:09
			How could we possibly know?
		
00:54:10 --> 00:54:12
			It is what
		
00:54:12 --> 00:54:15
			Islamic Ethics and Law calls a collective obligation
		
00:54:17 --> 00:54:21
			to establish and support government oversight and nonprofit
		
00:54:21 --> 00:54:22
			organizations
		
00:54:22 --> 00:54:25
			to monitor and regulate and report on these
		
00:54:25 --> 00:54:25
			issues.
		
00:54:26 --> 00:54:27
			And this is not
		
00:54:28 --> 00:54:28
			a
		
00:54:29 --> 00:54:30
			collective obligation
		
00:54:31 --> 00:54:33
			that is religiously specific.
		
00:54:36 --> 00:54:39
			If we possibly thought we could do this
		
00:54:39 --> 00:54:42
			only in our own religious communities, we'd be
		
00:54:42 --> 00:54:44
			fooling ourselves, we would be taking it seriously.
		
00:54:45 --> 00:54:47
			We live in a global environment
		
00:54:47 --> 00:54:48
			where these
		
00:54:49 --> 00:54:50
			supply chains,
		
00:54:51 --> 00:54:52
			where these contracts,
		
00:54:53 --> 00:54:54
			where these deals
		
00:54:54 --> 00:54:57
			are being made across the world in such
		
00:54:57 --> 00:54:58
			complicated ways.
		
00:54:59 --> 00:55:00
			We need to understand
		
00:55:01 --> 00:55:02
			that
		
00:55:03 --> 00:55:05
			it is only by working with people who
		
00:55:05 --> 00:55:08
			care, people of good values, good ethics, and
		
00:55:08 --> 00:55:10
			good faith that we can possibly hope
		
00:55:11 --> 00:55:11
			to avoid
		
00:55:12 --> 00:55:13
			constantly
		
00:55:14 --> 00:55:16
			violating the rights of others
		
00:55:17 --> 00:55:18
			for the sake of our
		
00:55:19 --> 00:55:19
			own
		
00:55:20 --> 00:55:20
			enjoyment,
		
00:55:21 --> 00:55:23
			our own needs, and our desires.
		
00:55:24 --> 00:55:24
			3rd,
		
00:55:25 --> 00:55:26
			we have to understand
		
00:55:27 --> 00:55:27
			that,
		
00:55:28 --> 00:55:29
			of course,
		
00:55:30 --> 00:55:32
			desires are not the same as needs.
		
00:55:34 --> 00:55:37
			And, well, you may say, you know, we
		
00:55:37 --> 00:55:38
			need to
		
00:55:39 --> 00:55:40
			access
		
00:55:40 --> 00:55:44
			that oil field, that gas field. We need
		
00:55:44 --> 00:55:45
			these things.
		
00:55:46 --> 00:55:47
			Needs are
		
00:55:48 --> 00:55:49
			basic things.
		
00:55:49 --> 00:55:50
			People need
		
00:55:51 --> 00:55:51
			water, they
		
00:55:52 --> 00:55:53
			need food, they
		
00:55:53 --> 00:55:54
			need shelter.
		
00:55:55 --> 00:55:57
			In the sun, there's a priority of needs.
		
00:55:58 --> 00:55:58
			Darubiyend,
		
00:55:59 --> 00:55:59
			Hejyend,
		
00:56:00 --> 00:56:01
			and Tahesenend.
		
00:56:02 --> 00:56:03
			The Darubiyend,
		
00:56:03 --> 00:56:04
			the urgent needs,
		
00:56:05 --> 00:56:07
			are are very basic.
		
00:56:08 --> 00:56:11
			It is what you need to sustain life.
		
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			The second level are necessities that we would
		
00:56:14 --> 00:56:15
			consider
		
00:56:15 --> 00:56:17
			are a part of human dignity and allow
		
00:56:17 --> 00:56:19
			us to flourish as societies.
		
00:56:20 --> 00:56:21
			So you can live without education,
		
00:56:22 --> 00:56:24
			but you really can't advance very far with
		
00:56:24 --> 00:56:25
			that.
		
00:56:26 --> 00:56:27
			But the 3rd level,
		
00:56:28 --> 00:56:30
			that are sometimes called complement
		
00:56:30 --> 00:56:32
			complements or even luxuries,
		
00:56:33 --> 00:56:35
			are things that you neither need
		
00:56:37 --> 00:56:38
			nor are really necessary
		
00:56:38 --> 00:56:41
			for society to advance, but all other things
		
00:56:41 --> 00:56:42
			being equal,
		
00:56:43 --> 00:56:45
			might make your life more pleasant.
		
00:56:46 --> 00:56:46
			Unfortunately,
		
00:56:47 --> 00:56:49
			many of us, and I would include myself,
		
00:56:50 --> 00:56:51
			are will
		
00:56:52 --> 00:56:55
			indulge in these this third level
		
00:56:57 --> 00:56:57
			of,
		
00:56:58 --> 00:56:58
			consumption
		
00:56:59 --> 00:57:01
			without realizing
		
00:57:01 --> 00:57:03
			that by doing so, we're impacting
		
00:57:03 --> 00:57:06
			the ability of others to meet their urgent
		
00:57:07 --> 00:57:09
			life sustaining needs.
		
00:57:11 --> 00:57:12
			So it will take work.
		
00:57:13 --> 00:57:14
			It takes
		
00:57:14 --> 00:57:15
			cooperation.
		
00:57:16 --> 00:57:17
			It takes
		
00:57:18 --> 00:57:19
			fellowship.
		
00:57:20 --> 00:57:20
			It takes
		
00:57:21 --> 00:57:23
			turning away from trivial
		
00:57:23 --> 00:57:24
			superficial
		
00:57:24 --> 00:57:25
			issues.
		
00:57:26 --> 00:57:28
			It turns away from it takes
		
00:57:28 --> 00:57:30
			not being distracted
		
00:57:30 --> 00:57:32
			by those who would love to have us
		
00:57:32 --> 00:57:32
			distracted
		
00:57:33 --> 00:57:34
			from these urgent issues
		
00:57:35 --> 00:57:36
			by
		
00:57:36 --> 00:57:38
			hurling insults at each other.
		
00:57:41 --> 00:57:43
			This is the kind of place where those
		
00:57:43 --> 00:57:44
			kind of ties and
		
00:57:45 --> 00:57:47
			friendships and alliances can be formed.
		
00:57:48 --> 00:57:51
			The reason why a place like Hartford Seminary
		
00:57:51 --> 00:57:52
			is so important,
		
00:57:53 --> 00:57:55
			Hartford Seminary among other,
		
00:57:55 --> 00:57:58
			like minded and like spirited places. Because without
		
00:57:58 --> 00:57:59
			it,
		
00:58:01 --> 00:58:03
			although we may together
		
00:58:04 --> 00:58:05
			find a
		
00:58:06 --> 00:58:08
			way to live happily and as neighbors,
		
00:58:11 --> 00:58:13
			we will also at the same time
		
00:58:13 --> 00:58:14
			find ourselves
		
00:58:15 --> 00:58:15
			on the side
		
00:58:16 --> 00:58:19
			of those on the earth who are denying
		
00:58:19 --> 00:58:19
			many others their
		
00:58:22 --> 00:58:23
			their rights. So with that,
		
00:58:24 --> 00:58:25
			I'd like to conclude
		
00:58:25 --> 00:58:27
			and, invite your
		
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			comments.
		
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			Well, this I would say that
		
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			people who have become aware of of
		
00:59:36 --> 00:59:37
			these issues
		
00:59:38 --> 00:59:40
			for both ethical and health reasons.
		
00:59:41 --> 00:59:42
			So that it is,
		
00:59:43 --> 00:59:45
			possible now to find organizations
		
00:59:46 --> 00:59:46
			that
		
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			will
		
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			research where food comes from,
		
00:59:50 --> 00:59:53
			what the land practices, what the labor practices
		
00:59:53 --> 00:59:55
			of those place places are.
		
00:59:56 --> 00:59:58
			There's the movement towards local consumption, you know,
		
00:59:58 --> 00:59:59
			consumption of local
		
00:59:59 --> 01:00:02
			consumption, you know, consumption of local product,
		
01:00:02 --> 01:00:03
			produce.
		
01:00:03 --> 01:00:06
			And that mostly started as a as a
		
01:00:06 --> 01:00:08
			health concern, but, of course, has major impact
		
01:00:09 --> 01:00:11
			on the environment as well.
		
01:00:11 --> 01:00:12
			So it's an example
		
01:00:13 --> 01:00:14
			of something that,
		
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16
			you know, an area of our life
		
01:00:17 --> 01:00:17
			where,
		
01:00:18 --> 01:00:19
			we,
		
01:00:20 --> 01:00:23
			have more support and more resources readily available
		
01:00:23 --> 01:00:25
			especially to the ordinary consumer
		
01:00:26 --> 01:00:27
			than in some of these other areas.
		
01:00:29 --> 01:00:31
			And again, some people will say, well, that's
		
01:00:31 --> 01:00:33
			fine for wealthy people. What about, you know,
		
01:00:33 --> 01:00:36
			aren't these things expensive? Isn't it expensive to
		
01:00:36 --> 01:00:38
			care about these things? And this is where
		
01:00:38 --> 01:00:39
			I think,
		
01:00:40 --> 01:00:40
			1,
		
01:00:41 --> 01:00:43
			the the issue of how much we really
		
01:00:43 --> 01:00:44
			need to eat
		
01:00:45 --> 01:00:46
			is one issue,
		
01:00:46 --> 01:00:47
			you know.
		
01:00:48 --> 01:00:49
			And second,
		
01:00:50 --> 01:00:52
			what kind of policies are in place to
		
01:00:52 --> 01:00:55
			make some kinds of food more expensive than
		
01:00:55 --> 01:00:56
			others?
		
01:00:56 --> 01:00:57
			Because this isn't simply,
		
01:00:59 --> 01:01:01
			you know, we talk about
		
01:01:01 --> 01:01:03
			a free market, but when it comes to
		
01:01:03 --> 01:01:05
			these things, this is not free. There are
		
01:01:05 --> 01:01:07
			there are there are a lot of inter
		
01:01:07 --> 01:01:08
			there are many interventions,
		
01:01:10 --> 01:01:11
			by
		
01:01:12 --> 01:01:14
			government and powerful agencies
		
01:01:15 --> 01:01:15
			that,
		
01:01:16 --> 01:01:16
			determine
		
01:01:17 --> 01:01:19
			that certain kinds of foods will be,
		
01:01:20 --> 01:01:23
			will be cheaper and more readily available than
		
01:01:23 --> 01:01:23
			others.
		
01:01:28 --> 01:01:28
			Yes.
		
01:01:29 --> 01:01:31
			I was Yes. I was interested in your
		
01:01:31 --> 01:01:33
			comment or your you used the expression the
		
01:01:33 --> 01:01:34
			rights of nature.
		
01:01:35 --> 01:01:35
			The rights
		
01:01:36 --> 01:01:37
			and
		
01:01:38 --> 01:01:40
			I've come to know that
		
01:01:41 --> 01:01:41
			because
		
01:01:42 --> 01:01:44
			of delegate from Bolivia
		
01:01:44 --> 01:01:46
			who was an indigenous person,
		
01:02:29 --> 01:02:31
			And of course, when,
		
01:02:32 --> 01:02:33
			as you say,
		
01:02:34 --> 01:02:37
			this this concept or at least this articulation
		
01:02:38 --> 01:02:39
			of this concept,
		
01:02:40 --> 01:02:43
			has come primarily from indigenous people in South
		
01:02:43 --> 01:02:44
			America.
		
01:02:44 --> 01:02:47
			And it's one of the reasons why in
		
01:02:47 --> 01:02:48
			some of the, constitutions,
		
01:02:49 --> 01:02:51
			actually, of these countries, there's a recognition
		
01:02:51 --> 01:02:53
			not only of the right of people
		
01:02:54 --> 01:02:56
			to have access to
		
01:02:56 --> 01:02:59
			a wholesome ecology or or, you know,
		
01:03:00 --> 01:03:01
			pure and healthy ecology,
		
01:03:01 --> 01:03:04
			but also rights of nature itself.
		
01:03:05 --> 01:03:06
			Now, of course,
		
01:03:06 --> 01:03:09
			with introducing that, many of us have, you
		
01:03:09 --> 01:03:10
			know, searched our own
		
01:03:11 --> 01:03:13
			history, our own text, and we see,
		
01:03:13 --> 01:03:15
			we see support for that
		
01:03:16 --> 01:03:17
			idea.
		
01:03:18 --> 01:03:20
			So I see great support for that idea,
		
01:03:20 --> 01:03:22
			not only in the Islamic teachings, but also
		
01:03:22 --> 01:03:24
			in practice over the centuries where,
		
01:03:26 --> 01:03:26
			there were,
		
01:03:27 --> 01:03:29
			there were were all these
		
01:03:29 --> 01:03:29
			reserves
		
01:03:30 --> 01:03:30
			for,
		
01:03:31 --> 01:03:32
			for wildlife
		
01:03:32 --> 01:03:34
			that were considered their right, that they had
		
01:03:34 --> 01:03:36
			a right to certain space.
		
01:03:37 --> 01:03:38
			But the question is,
		
01:03:38 --> 01:03:40
			why have we been have been paying
		
01:03:43 --> 01:03:45
			and it's and it shows us why we
		
01:03:45 --> 01:03:47
			need to really be open and listen
		
01:03:48 --> 01:03:50
			to what other people are saying because
		
01:03:51 --> 01:03:53
			if indigenous people of South America hadn't really
		
01:03:53 --> 01:03:54
			brought this to our consciousness,
		
01:03:55 --> 01:03:57
			we might have continued to be negligent
		
01:03:58 --> 01:04:00
			of this very important ethical obligation that we
		
01:04:00 --> 01:04:01
			have.
		
01:04:01 --> 01:04:03
			And so they've done us a favor
		
01:04:04 --> 01:04:06
			by making us aware so that we can
		
01:04:06 --> 01:04:07
			be more compliant
		
01:04:08 --> 01:04:09
			with our own obligations,
		
01:04:10 --> 01:04:10
			in fact.
		
01:04:53 --> 01:04:55
			Well, if if there's one thing that
		
01:04:57 --> 01:05:00
			that capitalism is about, it's about our,
		
01:05:01 --> 01:05:03
			our right to spend our money where we
		
01:05:03 --> 01:05:04
			like. And,
		
01:05:06 --> 01:05:09
			certainly, we have an obligation. I believe I
		
01:05:09 --> 01:05:10
			have an obligation
		
01:05:10 --> 01:05:11
			to
		
01:05:12 --> 01:05:13
			acquire wealth lawfully.
		
01:05:14 --> 01:05:16
			And that if the wealth,
		
01:05:16 --> 01:05:18
			you know, not to I can't
		
01:05:20 --> 01:05:22
			I can no more,
		
01:05:22 --> 01:05:24
			put my money in a casino
		
01:05:25 --> 01:05:27
			or a bar or a liquor store as
		
01:05:27 --> 01:05:28
			a wholesome
		
01:05:28 --> 01:05:30
			than actually feel that I could put my
		
01:05:30 --> 01:05:33
			money in a in a system where there
		
01:05:33 --> 01:05:34
			is,
		
01:05:35 --> 01:05:37
			where the bay the foundation of it is
		
01:05:37 --> 01:05:37
			unlawful.
		
01:05:39 --> 01:05:40
			From what I understand, the Presbyterian
		
01:05:41 --> 01:05:43
			move, it's not a divestment from Israel, but
		
01:05:43 --> 01:05:43
			from,
		
01:05:44 --> 01:05:46
			operations in the West Bank
		
01:05:46 --> 01:05:48
			on on unlawful land.
		
01:05:49 --> 01:05:52
			It makes sense to me in that in
		
01:05:52 --> 01:05:53
			that context.
		
01:05:53 --> 01:05:56
			It accords with what I believe about unlawful
		
01:05:57 --> 01:05:57
			land and
		
01:05:58 --> 01:06:00
			that people should restrain,
		
01:06:01 --> 01:06:02
			should refrain from,
		
01:06:04 --> 01:06:06
			benefiting from unlawfully acquired
		
01:06:07 --> 01:06:09
			land. I'm not an expert in what's happening
		
01:06:09 --> 01:06:10
			there, so,
		
01:06:10 --> 01:06:11
			you know,
		
01:06:12 --> 01:06:14
			I I can't give really more analysis of
		
01:06:14 --> 01:06:15
			that specific situation,
		
01:06:17 --> 01:06:17
			than that.
		
01:06:18 --> 01:06:20
			But it there you know, there's something there's
		
01:06:20 --> 01:06:21
			another,
		
01:06:30 --> 01:06:33
			principles, and that is the issue of reparations
		
01:06:34 --> 01:06:34
			for,
		
01:06:35 --> 01:06:36
			slavery and for the,
		
01:06:39 --> 01:06:40
			for the, seizing
		
01:06:41 --> 01:06:41
			of
		
01:06:42 --> 01:06:44
			land and property of African Americans during the
		
01:06:44 --> 01:06:45
			Jim Crow
		
01:06:45 --> 01:06:46
			era.
		
01:06:46 --> 01:06:48
			So there was this month's issue of The
		
01:06:58 --> 01:07:00
			And it's the cover story of The Atlantic
		
01:07:01 --> 01:07:02
			where he explains
		
01:07:02 --> 01:07:03
			this,
		
01:07:03 --> 01:07:05
			why reparations
		
01:07:05 --> 01:07:06
			are required.
		
01:07:07 --> 01:07:09
			There are places in the United States,
		
01:07:10 --> 01:07:11
			universities,
		
01:07:12 --> 01:07:13
			country clubs,
		
01:07:13 --> 01:07:14
			homes
		
01:07:15 --> 01:07:17
			that are on land that was
		
01:07:18 --> 01:07:19
			either built by slaves
		
01:07:20 --> 01:07:21
			or
		
01:07:21 --> 01:07:23
			after emancipation
		
01:07:23 --> 01:07:26
			was seized from free African Americans
		
01:07:27 --> 01:07:29
			by unlawful means.
		
01:07:29 --> 01:07:31
			So the question is,
		
01:07:33 --> 01:07:36
			you know, what's the ethical response to that?
		
01:07:36 --> 01:07:39
			I think about about this idea and,
		
01:07:40 --> 01:07:41
			to me from
		
01:07:50 --> 01:07:52
			not only do you need to restore
		
01:07:53 --> 01:07:53
			their
		
01:07:54 --> 01:07:56
			their right, but you need to,
		
01:07:57 --> 01:07:58
			you need to pay expiation.
		
01:07:59 --> 01:08:01
			You need the extra. So that kind of
		
01:08:01 --> 01:08:02
			restoration,
		
01:08:02 --> 01:08:03
			I think, is critical.
		
01:08:04 --> 01:08:05
			And,
		
01:08:05 --> 01:08:07
			you know, I really do think that we
		
01:08:07 --> 01:08:08
			need to
		
01:08:08 --> 01:08:11
			make sure that we are not that they're
		
01:08:11 --> 01:08:14
			mutually exclusive, but that we really take care
		
01:08:14 --> 01:08:14
			of our,
		
01:08:15 --> 01:08:16
			at our obligations,
		
01:08:16 --> 01:08:18
			our moral obligations
		
01:08:18 --> 01:08:19
			with respect
		
01:08:20 --> 01:08:22
			to the land where we live as well.
		
01:08:22 --> 01:08:23
			That's why I'm particularly
		
01:08:24 --> 01:08:24
			passionate
		
01:08:25 --> 01:08:25
			as a Canadian
		
01:08:26 --> 01:08:26
			about
		
01:08:27 --> 01:08:30
			what's happening now with, the restoration of land
		
01:08:30 --> 01:08:31
			and treaty rights
		
01:08:32 --> 01:08:33
			of First Nations.
		
01:09:31 --> 01:09:33
			That the law of corporations
		
01:09:33 --> 01:09:35
			is structured so that corporations,
		
01:09:36 --> 01:09:41
			public companies problem in the law that continues
		
01:09:41 --> 01:09:46
			to create that. To the extent that problem
		
01:09:46 --> 01:09:49
			in the law that continues to create that.
		
01:09:49 --> 01:09:51
			To the extent of such absurdities
		
01:09:52 --> 01:09:54
			as I saw an article recently
		
01:09:57 --> 01:09:57
			that
		
01:09:58 --> 01:09:59
			the the
		
01:09:59 --> 01:10:01
			lack of US military
		
01:10:01 --> 01:10:02
			engagement
		
01:10:02 --> 01:10:04
			currently is hurting the economy
		
01:10:05 --> 01:10:05
			because,
		
01:10:06 --> 01:10:08
			there's not as much because the military sector
		
01:10:08 --> 01:10:09
			is so important.
		
01:10:11 --> 01:10:12
			And without that, without
		
01:10:13 --> 01:10:14
			without an active
		
01:10:15 --> 01:10:17
			war, I mean, I don't know what kind
		
01:10:17 --> 01:10:17
			of
		
01:10:24 --> 01:10:24
			that,
		
01:10:25 --> 01:10:27
			there's not enough of a demand
		
01:10:27 --> 01:10:30
			for all this military equipment and that that
		
01:10:30 --> 01:10:30
			is
		
01:10:31 --> 01:10:31
			impacting
		
01:10:32 --> 01:10:34
			the growth of the US economy.
		
01:10:34 --> 01:10:36
			So that to even be
		
01:10:37 --> 01:10:39
			to even think that it's reasonable
		
01:10:40 --> 01:10:42
			to make a statement like that,
		
01:10:44 --> 01:10:46
			is just shows the uncertainty of the growth
		
01:10:46 --> 01:10:47
			model.
		
01:10:47 --> 01:10:49
			That we could even contemplate that this is
		
01:10:49 --> 01:10:52
			a bad that peace is a bad thing
		
01:10:52 --> 01:10:54
			because it's bad for growth.
		
01:10:54 --> 01:10:55
			Wow.
		
01:10:56 --> 01:10:56
			So
		
01:10:57 --> 01:10:57
			definitely,
		
01:10:58 --> 01:10:59
			the issue of,
		
01:11:00 --> 01:11:01
			the law of corporations,
		
01:11:03 --> 01:11:04
			what obligations are to stockholders,
		
01:11:05 --> 01:11:07
			all of these things are part of our
		
01:11:07 --> 01:11:08
			piece of the puzzle.
		
01:13:12 --> 01:13:13
			Have,
		
01:13:13 --> 01:13:14
			established methodologies,
		
01:13:15 --> 01:13:16
			ways, research.
		
01:13:17 --> 01:13:19
			We will be overwhelmed if each one of
		
01:13:19 --> 01:13:20
			our congregations
		
01:13:21 --> 01:13:22
			or denominations or communities
		
01:13:23 --> 01:13:25
			feels we need to address all of these
		
01:13:25 --> 01:13:26
			things individually.
		
01:13:26 --> 01:13:28
			You know, you're gonna have the same person
		
01:13:28 --> 01:13:30
			on 6 committees and, you know, eventually
		
01:13:31 --> 01:13:32
			so
		
01:13:32 --> 01:13:34
			so this is I mean, it really
		
01:13:35 --> 01:13:37
			is a place for interface
		
01:13:37 --> 01:13:38
			cooperation
		
01:13:38 --> 01:13:41
			and work. So that we have we have
		
01:13:41 --> 01:13:43
			more of these that we're doing together and
		
01:13:43 --> 01:13:44
			not just by ourselves.
		
01:13:45 --> 01:13:47
			It it'll it'll it helps,
		
01:13:47 --> 01:13:50
			you know, it's an argument to the world
		
01:13:50 --> 01:13:50
			for
		
01:13:51 --> 01:13:53
			religions doing something positive. Right? Not just,
		
01:13:54 --> 01:13:55
			well, you
		
01:14:04 --> 01:14:06
			The limit, you know, and then the limited
		
01:14:06 --> 01:14:08
			resources and time that we have, I mean,
		
01:14:08 --> 01:14:10
			it just does not make sense
		
01:14:11 --> 01:14:13
			each of us to have our own individual
		
01:14:13 --> 01:14:16
			things in this area. We we really need
		
01:14:16 --> 01:14:18
			to cooperate if we're gonna hold by having