Ingrid Mattson – Foundational Teachings of the Hurma Project

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The importance of the transmission of Islam's teachings and the need for everyone to be empowered to interpret and interpret the Quran is emphasized. The harm of sexual behavior and the holy spirit are also discussed, along with the importance of evidence-based practices and community involvement in addressing issues of abuse of trust. The speakers emphasize the need for community involvement and leadership in addressing issues such as abuse and fraud, privacy, privacy, and secrecy, and lack of disclosure of abuse. The importance of transformation through groups and vowels to accountability and a higher code is emphasized, and the need for people to hold themselves accountable and not allow others to use their power is emphasized.

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			It's such a, an honor
		
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			and a blessing to be here with you
		
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			today,
		
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			and I'm so excited
		
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			about tomorrow.
		
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			It's amazing to see the people,
		
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			who have so much expertise in much needed
		
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			areas.
		
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			I I know this subject is,
		
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			kind of a downer for many people, but
		
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			I feel really excited.
		
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			I feel excited because I know that our
		
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			religion
		
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			has the values and the principles
		
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			and the teachings that are necessary
		
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			to do the right thing.
		
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			And I see that our community is at
		
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			a stage in growth where we have
		
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			many,
		
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			scholars, especially women scholars,
		
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			therapists, mental health experts,
		
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			so many people doing excellent good work. The
		
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			kind of work and expertise and commitment that
		
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			we need to move forward. And I have
		
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			so much confidence that with Allah's help, we
		
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			will,
		
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			be in a much different place a few
		
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			years
		
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			from now than we are today.
		
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			Insha'Allah.
		
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			The messenger of Allah,
		
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			the blessed prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam, our
		
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			teacher and purified guide, said,
		
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			The most merciful,
		
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			the,
		
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			the most merciful
		
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			sends his mercy
		
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			upon those who have mercy. Have mercy upon
		
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			those who are on earth,
		
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			and the one who is in
		
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			heaven will have mercy upon you.
		
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			I heard this hadith from a
		
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			great living scholar of hadith
		
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			who conveyed to us his
		
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			from his father,
		
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			from his father's teacher
		
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			through the generations
		
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			back to the Sahabi, Abdullah ibn Amir ibn
		
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			Alass, to the blessed prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
		
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			Why does this matter?
		
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			Why does this isnad? Why does this connection
		
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			of people matter?
		
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			The isnaad in the 1st centuries of Islam
		
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			was first and foremost
		
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			an epistemological
		
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			tool
		
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			to to ensure the integrity of the transmission.
		
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			But it was never enough
		
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			for a person to have a good memory
		
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			and knowledge of what they were transmitting.
		
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			Was always a requirement for the transmitter.
		
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			Is purported
		
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			when,
		
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			there is evidence
		
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			that a person
		
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			is a truthful person.
		
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			And if there is evidence that a person
		
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			has lied, this will impact the assessment of
		
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			his or her probity.
		
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			Even small lies
		
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			could degrade a person's status.
		
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			Now there is no infallible person after the
		
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			blessed prophet. That is true.
		
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			We are all
		
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			even
		
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			we are all people who make mistakes and
		
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			commit sins,
		
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			even the the
		
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			noble companions of the blessed prophet,
		
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			may God's peace and blessings be upon him,
		
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			committed errors
		
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			and sinned,
		
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			But not all sins are the same.
		
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			Not all people are equal in virtue,
		
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			trustworthiness,
		
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			and integrity.
		
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			We should certainly avoid what
		
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			the 19th century,
		
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			Danish
		
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			philosopher
		
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			Kierkegaard
		
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			called the leveling process
		
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			common in the modern age where people say,
		
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			well, everyone's human.
		
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			No. We have standards
		
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			and we hold ourselves to standards.
		
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			The relationship between teachers and students in Islam
		
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			has never been just about the transmission of
		
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			knowledge.
		
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			Allah, the most high, chose to convey revelation
		
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			through purified prophets.
		
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			The message was conveyed
		
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			through the messengers.
		
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			Muhammad sallallahu
		
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			alaihi wa sallam is the last messenger, and
		
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			there will never be
		
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			after him another
		
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			messenger
		
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			nor an infallible teacher.
		
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			It is reported that the prophet Muhammad, peace
		
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			be upon him, said that the scholars are
		
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			the inheritors
		
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			of the prophets.
		
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			What does this mean?
		
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			It does not mean that anyone who calls
		
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			him or herself a scholar
		
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			is necessarily
		
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			so and must be absolutely
		
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			obeyed.
		
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			It is first and foremost
		
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			a factual description
		
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			that we are a community
		
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			who necessarily
		
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			relies on scholars to transmit, interpret, and contextualize
		
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			the Quran and the Sunnah.
		
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			As
		
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			said to the,
		
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			the Quran is a book between 2 covers.
		
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			It does not speak, rather it is people
		
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			who speak through
		
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			it. Ask someone who has memorized the Quran
		
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			about their teacher.
		
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			Ask how it felt to sit with their
		
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			teacher hour after hour.
		
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			Ask them about their teacher's behavior, how they
		
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			treated them,
		
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			about the place where they studied the Quran.
		
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			What was the setting?
		
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			Was there a table? Was there a carpet?
		
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			What was the room like?
		
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			Ask about their teacher's voice,
		
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			how she recited the Quran,
		
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			her tone,
		
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			the pace of her recitation.
		
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			Ask how it sounded when she recited the
		
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			Quran when she was older or had a
		
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			cold.
		
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			Ask those who know a hadith text or
		
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			a legal text about their teacher
		
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			and how they felt when they weren't prepared
		
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			for class
		
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			or when their teacher encouraged and praised them
		
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			and shook their hand or gave them a
		
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			hug.
		
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			The stories you will hear are rich with
		
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			detail and emotion.
		
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			A religion is not just an idea,
		
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			It is a practice
		
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			a practice in a community.
		
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			We are embedded
		
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			in relationships
		
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			with living people and people who have gone
		
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			before us.
		
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			Our knowledge, our worship, our common life together
		
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			is embodied.
		
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			We bring the Quran into our hearts.
		
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			We position our body in.
		
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			We line up with 1 person to our
		
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			right and another to our left, our sides
		
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			touching each other.
		
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			We feel the heat of the other person's
		
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			body.
		
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			We feel their fidgeting.
		
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			We hear their joints crack as they make
		
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			sujood.
		
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			We fast and know not just the idea
		
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			of hunger, but what hunger feels like in
		
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			the belly,
		
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			in a headache of dehydration,
		
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			in fatigue, and listlessness.
		
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			We are embodied souls who will be reembodied
		
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			by our creator at the resurrection
		
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			and god willing will be granted entry to
		
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			a place of joy and reunion.
		
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			As Muslims, we cover our bodies. We refrain
		
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			from intimate touch with others
		
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			until lawful marriage
		
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			because this relationship
		
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			matters.
		
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			Marriage is a solemn covenant.
		
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			In marriage, we expose our vulnerabilities,
		
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			emotional,
		
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			physical, and spiritual.
		
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			Our community reminds us again and again about
		
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			how important it is to refrain from unlawful
		
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			intimacy
		
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			because it is sinful
		
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			and because doing so can negatively
		
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			impact
		
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			a future marriage and family life.
		
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			And now I'm going to talk about some
		
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			difficult things.
		
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			So what is the impact
		
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			then
		
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			when a young boy
		
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			eager,
		
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			keen to learn,
		
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			is sexually molested
		
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			by his Quran teacher?
		
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			What is the impact when the teacher who
		
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			taught you Arabic and how to pray abuses
		
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			you emotionally,
		
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			demeans you, and berates you?
		
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			What is the impact on the scholar you
		
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			admire
		
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			and for whose project you sacrificed your evenings
		
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			and weekends and wealth and time with family
		
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			is using the money to enrich himself
		
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			personally.
		
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			What is the impact when a young woman
		
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			unsure of herself,
		
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			confused by what she hears about Islam,
		
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			decides to commit herself to learning?
		
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			She attends a conference
		
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			trying out a hijab, a pretty one that
		
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			gives her some confidence
		
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			because she still feels self confident self conscious.
		
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			She goes to the conference where a charismatic
		
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			preacher whose lecture lectures she has watched online
		
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			is speaking.
		
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			At the end of the session, she approaches
		
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			him to ask a question, which he answers.
		
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			Later, they cross paths in the hall. He
		
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			calls to her.
		
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			She approaches, and he tells her
		
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			how much he
		
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			admires her zeal for learning.
		
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			He asks if she is married.
		
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			When she says no, he says,
		
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			you are beautiful,
		
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			and he asks her for her number
		
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			and then proceeds
		
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			to send her text messages messages.
		
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			She is shocked.
		
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			She is confused.
		
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			She feels that she must have done something
		
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			wrong,
		
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			dressed the wrong way,
		
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			acted the wrong way with this scholar.
		
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			She feels ashamed, guilty,
		
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			and disillusioned
		
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			and leaves the conference
		
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			conference
		
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			dejected.
		
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			What happens then when any one of these
		
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			boys or girls or men or women
		
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			disclose what happened to them?
		
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			They tell people in the community
		
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			and they're disbelieved,
		
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			they're blamed,
		
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			they're told that they are telling lies,
		
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			they are told that they are exaggerating.
		
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			Now here is the second harm.
		
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			They cannot just forget
		
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			when such things have happened.
		
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			Those things are in them.
		
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			They are woven into their very selves, into
		
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			their emotional,
		
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			physical,
		
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			and spiritual
		
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			selves.
		
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			The blessed prophet Muhammad
		
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			taught us
		
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			that each person in the community has sacred
		
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			and viability.
		
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			One day, the messenger of God was riding
		
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			his camel and a man was holding its
		
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			reins.
		
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			The prophet asked,
		
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			what day is it?
		
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			And the companion who's narrating this hadith,
		
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			Abu Bakr says
		
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			that the prophet,
		
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			when the prophet asked what day is it,
		
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			that they kept quiet thinking he might give
		
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			that day another name.
		
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			And he
		
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			said, isn't it the day of Neher, the
		
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			day of sacrificing the animals?
		
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			We replied yes.
		
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			The prophet further asked, which month is this?
		
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			We again kept quiet thinking that he might
		
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			give it another name.
		
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			Then
		
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			he
		
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			said, isn't it the month of Dhul Hijjah?
		
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			We replied yes.
		
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			And he said,
		
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			indeed,
		
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			your blood, your property, and honor are inviolable
		
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			to one another like the sacred and viability,
		
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			the horma,
		
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			of this day of yours,
		
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			in this month of yours, and in this
		
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			city of yours.
		
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			It is incumbent upon those who are present
		
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			to inform those who are absent
		
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			because those who are absent might comprehend this
		
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			better than those who are present.
		
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			What an extraordinary
		
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			teaching.
		
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			The sacrality
		
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			of the person
		
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			is the same as the sacrality
		
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			of the city of Medina,
		
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			of the month of.
		
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			How precious
		
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			are those times and those places to us?
		
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			Are the people of this religion
		
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			as precious
		
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			to us
		
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			as those places
		
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			and those times?
		
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			We pray here, all of us, to be
		
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			among those who understand this teaching
		
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			and can convey it to others.
		
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			So whose harman matters?
		
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			When we say blood, it means their life,
		
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			their bodily integrity, their body.
		
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			Whose honor
		
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			matters?
		
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			Whose
		
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			livelihood
		
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			matters?
		
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			Well, the prophet Muhammad sallallahu
		
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			alaihi wasallam
		
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			was very clear in his teachings.
		
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			All of the people who were degraded
		
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			in categories that were demeaned in his time,
		
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			he elevated.
		
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			He lived in a time
		
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			when the only person who truly had value
		
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			was the able-bodied,
		
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			free adult man.
		
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			The man it was those men who were
		
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			the
		
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			the fighting men of the tribe
		
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			to
		
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			lack
		
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			some,
		
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			physical ability
		
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			to be disabled
		
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			meant that you were not useful.
		
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			To be a woman, you were useful
		
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			only to the extent that you could bear
		
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			children
		
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			and
		
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			satisfy a man.
		
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			Those who worked with their hands were demeaned
		
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			while those who were free
		
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			to take
		
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			what they wanted without working
		
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			were elevated.
		
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			But the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam,
		
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			he let a little girl
		
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			who probably had some mental disability take him
		
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			by the hand and lead him through Medina.
		
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			He appointed a blind man
		
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			to be
		
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			his,
		
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			Khalifa, his deputy when he left left the
		
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			city.
		
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			He spoke kindly
		
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			with a woman who had epilepsy and told
		
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			her
		
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			that he could either cure her her disease
		
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			or
		
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			she could
		
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			continue to experience the consequences of that illness
		
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			and get the reward.
		
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			He didn't say your illness
		
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			is a curse on you.
		
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			And she chose
		
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			to continue in that illness, but asked for
		
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			the blessed prophet to cover her body when
		
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			she would have,
		
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			an a seizure.
		
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			Subhanallah.
		
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			When Sa'd ibn Mu'az
		
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			shook hands with the blessed prophet, the prophet
		
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			asked him, why are your hands so calloused?
		
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			And he said,
		
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			because
		
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			I use a trowel
		
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			to to farm to support my family.
		
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			The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, kissed
		
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			his palms
		
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			and said, these two hands are loved by
		
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			God.
		
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			The prophet
		
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			Muhammad brought children
		
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			into the
		
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			of men. He seated his little daughter
		
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			in the place of honor
		
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			in the gathering.
		
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			He appointed a youth
		
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			to order men.
		
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			The prophet Muhammad, alaihis salasam,
		
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			overturned
		
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			every
		
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			single
		
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			hierarchy,
		
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			and he brought those who were considered low
		
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			high.
		
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			Do we do the same?
		
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			Did we learn that lesson?
		
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			And if we did,
		
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			why are our responses
		
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			to abuse of trust
		
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			by scholars
		
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			and prominent individuals
		
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			so deficient.
		
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			Denial
		
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			is
		
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			the most common human reaction.
		
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			When we hear something shocking, it is our
		
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			first reaction.
		
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			When Sayna Umar Ibn Al Khattab, may Allah
		
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			be pleased with him,
		
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			was told that the blessed prophet had died,
		
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			he became
		
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			angry and agitated.
		
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			He threatened to strike anyone who would say
		
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			that.
		
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			It was too shocking and too upsetting
		
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			And it was only when Saidna Abu Bakr
		
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			recited the Quran
		
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			that then he calmed down and realized that
		
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			it was true.
		
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			It is shocking
		
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			when someone who we trust,
		
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			who we think we can count on,
		
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			has betrayed our trust.
		
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			But the Quran
		
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			teaches us everything. SubhanAllah.
		
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			It is really,
		
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			you know, more proof of
		
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			that this is the word of God.
		
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			Look at the story of Sayna Yusuf.
		
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			If any of you had a young son,
		
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			who could you imagine
		
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			would be better
		
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			to care for and protect that son than
		
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			his older brothers?
		
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			Who would be more loyal? Who would be
		
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			more protective
		
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			of their little brother
		
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			than the older brothers.
		
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			Yet here we have
		
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			Sayna Yusuf's brothers
		
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			who themselves
		
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			are the sons of a prophet
		
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			who betray
		
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			that trust.
		
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			They
		
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			said, truly Joseph and his brother, the younger
		
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			brother, are more loved by our father than
		
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			we even though we
		
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			are a tight group. Our father has clearly
		
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			lost his way.
		
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			Kill Joseph.
		
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			Kill him
		
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			or send him away somewhere
		
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			so that your father will give his attention
		
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			back to you. Then later,
		
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			you can become righteous people again.
		
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			How deceived they were.
		
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			How blind they were to their responsibility
		
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			and to what they had learned.
		
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			Now eventually,
		
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			they realized what they had done,
		
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			but only after there had been great suffering
		
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			and it was only
		
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			when they admitted
		
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			that they had sinned that then there was
		
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			a chance for reconciliation.
		
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			So we have hope for reconciliation.
		
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			We have hope
		
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			that Allah will turn the hearts of people.
		
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			It is always possible. We never
		
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			deny that hope,
		
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			but we also know
		
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			that
		
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			the change has to come from the hearts
		
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			of people.
		
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			They have to first face the truth in
		
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			themselves. Joseph's brothers
		
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			were so deceived that even when he was
		
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			standing in front of them, they didn't recognize
		
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			him. That's how blind they were
		
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			to reality,
		
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			deceived by their own wishful thinking and rationalizations.
		
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			We are a community
		
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			that bases
		
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			our assessments
		
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			on facts and on evidence.
		
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			Evidence and not wishful thinking.
		
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			This is why there is one of the
		
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			one of the 5 major legal maxims
		
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			is
		
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			doubt,
		
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			that certainty is not removed by doubt.
		
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			How many times do we hear people
		
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			who faced with the evidence,
		
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			sometimes even a conviction in court, sometimes even
		
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			a confession
		
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			by someone who admits someone who admits that
		
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			they have
		
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			violated another.
		
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			I myself, just 2 weeks ago, heard someone
		
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			say,
		
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			well, maybe it could be that they're just
		
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			saying that because
		
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			and then spun some kind of fantasy.
		
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			K. That that wishful thinking
		
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			does not
		
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			this is the
		
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			the the the
		
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			the
		
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			the wishful thinking or doubt that has no
		
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			weight
		
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			compared to evidence.
		
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			This, that that principle is,
		
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			is,
		
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			illustrated in the,
		
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			the legal code of the Ottomans
		
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			with this example.
		
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			If it is said,
		
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			if a man appeared out of a house
		
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			with a knife in his
		
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			hand, he being stained with blood moving fast
		
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			and with symptoms of fear,
		
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			and upon seeing this, people entered the house
		
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			and found a man slain,
		
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			and there is no one else except the
		
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			man who went out of the house.
		
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			This man will be taken by this evidence
		
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			because no one doubts that he is the
		
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			murderer.
		
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			Because
		
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			the supposition
		
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			or the fantasy or the conspiracy theory
		
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			that someone else killed the man and jumped
		
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			over the wall
		
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			or that he himself committed suicide
		
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			is a remote chance and cannot be taken
		
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			into consideration
		
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			because there is no proof of it.
		
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			Evidence
		
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			matters.
		
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			I I love this community. I love the
		
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			Muslim community.
		
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			This is my family.
		
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			I have experienced
		
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			so much graciousness,
		
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			so much hospitality,
		
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			so much care.
		
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			This is where I learned my religion.
		
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			I know we are having a difficult time.
		
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			I know there
		
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			are so many things
		
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			wrong in the world,
		
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			and I know
		
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			so many are suffering because of attacks on
		
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			Islam,
		
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			unfair attacks, distortions of our teaching.
		
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			Islamophobia
		
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			is a reality.
		
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			And indeed, there are conspiracies
		
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			against Muslims.
		
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			No doubt that is true.
		
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			That is true, and it is also true
		
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			that we have people within our own community
		
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			who have abused and oppressed and exploited others.
		
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			Again, Allah
		
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			has provided us with everything we need to
		
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			know.
		
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			When Allah says,
		
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			oh,
		
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			you who believe, be steadfast in your devotion
		
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			to God, bearing witness to the truth with
		
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			equity,
		
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			and do not let the hatred of another
		
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			group towards you
		
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			let you swerve from justice.
		
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			Be just that is closest
		
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			to taqwa.
		
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			Be conscious of God.
		
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			Verily Allah is aware of all that you
		
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			do.
		
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			Allah created us. Allah is our creator and
		
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			so knows that when we are under attack
		
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			that
		
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			there are 2 reactions
		
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			that are very typical. 1 is that we
		
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			will attack back.
		
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			We're pushed. We push back.
		
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			The other thing is that when we're under
		
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			attack,
		
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			we
		
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			turn away
		
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			from
		
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			caring about justice within our own group.
		
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			You know, it's about circling the wagons.
		
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			And so not only
		
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			can we
		
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			deny justice or swerve from justice in our
		
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			response
		
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			if we don't fear Allah, if we don't
		
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			have,
		
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			but we can belittle and minimize the oppression
		
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			within our own group.
		
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			We can say, well, that doesn't matter. That's
		
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			not as important,
		
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			And it is so common. And it is,
		
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			you know, it's understandable,
		
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			but we can't allow this to continue to
		
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			happen.
		
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			We are told to recognize this tendency within
		
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			us, to recognize this reaction,
		
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			and then
		
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			do the right thing.
		
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			You know,
		
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			strengthen our spine,
		
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			be courageous,
		
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			and do the right thing.
		
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			It is not easy, though, to know what
		
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			the right thing is to do.
		
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			How many times have I heard someone say,
		
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			someone has to do something.
		
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			Right?
		
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			Someone has to do something.
		
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			There's a there's a common
		
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			social psychological
		
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			phenomenon called the bystander effect.
		
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			You've heard of it.
		
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			You know, how could it be that there
		
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			could be a whole group of people
		
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			watching someone being robbed and beaten and they
		
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			don't step forward and do something?
		
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			While if they were the only person there,
		
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			they might jump right in.
		
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			Because we're in that when we're in that
		
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			setting, in that group setting, we often think
		
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			to ourselves, well,
		
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			someone's gonna do something
		
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			or, you know, someone more qualified
		
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			than me is going to do something
		
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			or someone stronger is going to do something
		
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			or there must be someone in charge here.
		
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			Right?
		
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			So
		
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			I believe that for many of us,
		
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			we want to do the right thing.
		
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			And I've been in that situation before.
		
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			I've said
		
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			why isn't someone doing something?
		
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			But if everyone thinks that way, nothing will
		
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			get done.
		
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			It is
		
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			not an individual
		
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			obligation
		
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			unless we are the only one in the
		
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			place or the only one with knowledge. It
		
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			is a communal obligation. It is a for
		
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			us
		
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			to stop injustice
		
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			and to promote what is right.
		
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			This is the purpose of living in community.
		
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			There are things that can be done only
		
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			by the community.
		
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			But what does that mean? It means the
		
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			community has to organize
		
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			enough
		
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			to establish
		
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			systems and processes and councils
		
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			and
		
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			means and mechanisms
		
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			and experts in order to fulfill
		
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			these functions.
		
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			We have to stand up together
		
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			and
		
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			decide
		
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			how we will address
		
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			such problems. This is our purpose
		
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			as
		
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			a community,
		
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			And it is a purpose
		
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			that is,
		
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			that defines both men and women together.
		
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			This is not just for women to do,
		
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			it's not just for men to do,
		
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			but Allah
		
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			will bestow
		
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			his mercy.
		
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			It is upon those
		
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			believing men and believing women
		
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			who who promote what is right
		
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			and prescribe what is wrong, who work together
		
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			to do these things upon whom
		
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			Allah will have mercy.
		
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			We need the mercy of Allah.
		
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			I think there's no doubt
		
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			and so we need to work together.
		
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			Pain
		
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			is a sign that something is wrong with
		
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			the system.
		
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			That's true of bodily pain.
		
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			It's true of our social pain or community
		
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			pain.
		
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			When the community is scandalized
		
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			by a religious authority
		
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			abusing or exploiting other believers,
		
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			this can be a sign that we have
		
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			neglected our our
		
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			collective responsibility
		
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			to put in place systems of oversight and
		
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			accountability
		
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			to prevent
		
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			and to justly respond
		
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			to abusive
		
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			and exploitative
		
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			behavior.
		
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			Neglecting our collective responsibility
		
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			will lead to scandal.
		
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			So rather than blaming the victim when we're
		
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			in pain
		
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			hearing about this,
		
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			we're blaming
		
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			those who support
		
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			the victim.
		
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			And I'm going to say right now victim
		
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			rather than survivor because you know what? There's
		
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			some people who don't survive this.
		
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			There are those who survive this, but there
		
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			are some people who do not survive
		
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			abuse.
		
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			Spiritually, they do not survive it. Emotionally,
		
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			they do not survive it. Socially,
		
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			they do not survive it.
		
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			So when we feel the pain of these
		
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			scandals
		
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			rather than blaming
		
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			the victims
		
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			or blaming those who support the victims,
		
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			who report
		
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			about the abuser
		
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			rather than
		
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			taking that easy step and blaming someone who
		
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			cannot hurt us more,
		
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			then we need to look at our collective
		
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			responsibility.
		
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			And there are many people who have stepped
		
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			up.
		
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			You know, when we started the Horma project,
		
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			it was not because
		
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			no one was doing anything.
		
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			There are those who have been working hard.
		
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			There are
		
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			chaplains.
		
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			There are imams.
		
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			There are therapists. There are social workers.
		
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			People like Hart who are now,
		
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			have spent 10 years.
		
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			And how many of those years had the
		
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			community blamed them for supporting victims?
		
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			I I really hope that
		
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			that eventually those who have blamed them will
		
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			come to
		
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			apologize
		
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			to those
		
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			who were the only ones who stepped up.
		
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			You know, face in the last 2 years
		
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			has stepped up
		
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			and done very difficult work
		
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			of supporting
		
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			those who have been egregiously
		
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			violated
		
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			by religious leaders,
		
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			helping them through the legal process,
		
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			meticulous
		
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			meticulously
		
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			documenting
		
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			the harm,
		
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			using public records.
		
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			And yet people say, why do they have
		
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			to do that? Who gave them the right?
		
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			What authority do they have? They aren't the
		
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			ones who should do it. Why are they
		
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			doing it this way?
		
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			Lot of armchair criticisms.
		
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			Those critics, what have they done?
		
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			What steps have they taken?
		
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			I'm not saying that every person who has
		
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			intervened in any way has done everything perfectly.
		
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			We all make mistakes.
		
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			But are any mistakes
		
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			that those who have supported
		
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			victims and survivors are any mistakes that they've
		
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			made really comparable
		
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			to the harm caused
		
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			by a trusted religious leader
		
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			who is sexually molested
		
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			and abused
		
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			students
		
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			and others?
		
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			Where is our sense of proportion?
		
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			Whose body, whose honor,
		
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			whose livelihood
		
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			matters?
		
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			Is not
		
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			the of
		
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			the believers
		
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			equal?
		
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			So what are the solutions
		
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			and what are the problems?
		
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			How many of you
		
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			saw this film Spotlight?
		
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			Highly recommended.
		
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			Say, a a really good movie based on
		
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			the true story
		
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			of the investigative
		
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			reporters from the Boston Globe
		
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			who,
		
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			began researching
		
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			the cover up of priests, Roman Catholic priests,
		
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			who abused
		
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			children, sexually
		
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			abused children. So it's not the abuse, but
		
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			it's the cover up.
		
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			They were shocked. Why was the story not
		
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			picked up? And when they began
		
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			working on it, they became increasingly shocked at
		
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			the numbers
		
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			of people.
		
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			Now
		
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			the Roman Catholic Church is
		
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			the most
		
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			centralized,
		
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			organized,
		
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			and,
		
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			you know,
		
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			religious organization with a clear hierarchy and authority.
		
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			Yet that system
		
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			of oversight and accountability
		
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			was only used to more
		
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			perfectly cover up the crimes.
		
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			So that means that it's you know, our
		
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			problem is not just that we are, you
		
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			know, scattered,
		
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			decentralized,
		
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			grassroots
		
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			because one of the most egregious examples of
		
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			our time was a very centralized,
		
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			organized,
		
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			hierarchical,
		
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			well trained,
		
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			seminary trained
		
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			organization.
		
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			So
		
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			when it comes to I mean, there are
		
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			many different kinds of abuse, but what about
		
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			abuse of children? Is it about *? There
		
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			are some people who will say, well,
		
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			with Roman Catholic priests, obviously, the problem is
		
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			that they're celibate.
		
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			And so there's some kind of, like, sexual
		
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			energy that is displaced and then then ends
		
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			up being turned towards children.
		
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			Actually, what they found
		
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			what the experts found is celibacy was a
		
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			problem, but not for these reasons, not for
		
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			some kind of medieval
		
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			theory about sexual energy necessarily,
		
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			you know, coming out in some,
		
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			some deviant form if you are
		
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			celibate.
		
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			What they found was that, in fact,
		
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			approximately
		
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			half of the priests were not celibate. They
		
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			were engaged
		
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			in
		
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			a consensual
		
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			heterosexual
		
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			relationship
		
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			with an adult woman.
		
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			So many of them had consensual
		
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			relationships
		
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			with adult women,
		
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			long standing,
		
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			almost like a common law wife,
		
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			but they've taken a vow of celibacy.
		
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			And so
		
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			they
		
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			wanted to conceal that.
		
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			So the main problem is that there
		
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			was a culture of secrecy.
		
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			Why would
		
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			one priest not want to expose another priest?
		
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			Why not expose the priest, his fellow priest
		
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			who was abusing children?
		
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			Because he himself
		
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			was breaking his vow and was afraid that
		
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			if you
		
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			reported about that priest
		
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			that his own secret would be found out.
		
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			So it's the culture of secrecy
		
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			that creates a,
		
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			a very
		
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			problematic
		
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			atmosphere
		
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			where no one wants to report abuse.
		
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			So when we talk about
		
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			you know, we really have to and this
		
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			is one issue we'll be looking at at
		
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			the research conference tomorrow.
		
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			What is the difference between privacy,
		
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			which is
		
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			a legitimate
		
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			need and right of people
		
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			to have privacy in their life, even scholars
		
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			should be able to have a zone of
		
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			privacy
		
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			over their family life.
		
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			But what's the difference between privacy and secrecy?
		
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			Concealing
		
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			and bringing other people in
		
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			a conspiracy
		
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			of secrecy
		
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			so that
		
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			what they're doing won't be found out because
		
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			they know that there's something wrong with this.
		
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			When we look at
		
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			the reasons
		
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			why there have not been
		
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			sufficient
		
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			responses
		
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			to abuse.
		
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			There are many
		
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			there are many kinds of errors that have
		
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			occurred. 1 is an error of category,
		
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			and that's very evident with the with the,
		
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			concept of,
		
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			for example.
		
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			So what I mean by an error of
		
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			category is is putting something in in the
		
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			wrong place.
		
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			So putting a personal sin in the same
		
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			category as a violation of another's right.
		
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			Certainly,
		
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			we are supposed to,
		
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			we are told not to,
		
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			you know, tear off
		
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			the sitter, tear off or
		
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			or uncover or expose or out those
		
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			who are committing sins.
		
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			You know, that is between them and Allah
		
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			and we hope that with support,
		
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			that and with guidance that perhaps they will,
		
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			you know, eventually change their ways.
		
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			But the violation
		
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			of another's,
		
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			another person's right
		
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			is in a different category.
		
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			This is
		
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			a crime,
		
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			a violation of trust,
		
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			or oppression.
		
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			The prophet
		
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			Muhammad
		
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			said, help your brother
		
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			whether he's an oppressor or is oppressed.
		
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			And one of the companions asked,
		
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			oh messenger of Allah, I can help him
		
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			if he is oppressed, but how do you
		
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			see that I can help him if he
		
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			is an oppressor?
		
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			He, sallallahu
		
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			alaihi wa sallam, said stop him from his
		
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			oppression.
		
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			That is how you help him.
		
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			How are we helping people who are committing
		
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			sins
		
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			by allowing them to engage in those sins?
		
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			The best help
		
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			is to support them by stopping them
		
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			and and working with them if they are
		
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			willing
		
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			to change their ways
		
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			and
		
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			take responsibility
		
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			for the consequences of what they have done,
		
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			whether that means going to jail,
		
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			whether that means apologizing
		
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			and paying a fine, whether that means stepping
		
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			down from their position, whatever it is
		
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			to take responsibility,
		
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			to repent, and reform.
		
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			And
		
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			many people are capable of that,
		
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			but there are also those who are not.
		
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			There are those people who are predators,
		
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			who are sociopaths,
		
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			who are
		
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			narcissists,
		
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			who are incapable of seeing
		
00:41:01 --> 00:41:03
			what they have done as wrong. And from
		
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			those people, we only have to protect ourselves
		
00:41:07 --> 00:41:09
			and keep them when they're uncovered, when they're
		
00:41:09 --> 00:41:10
			discovered,
		
00:41:10 --> 00:41:13
			to keep them far away from us.
		
00:41:16 --> 00:41:16
			Disclosing
		
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			derogatory
		
00:41:18 --> 00:41:18
			information
		
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			about another
		
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			is not something that we should do
		
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			unless someone has been oppressed, unless
		
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			someone has been harmed.
		
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			And
		
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			then, not only
		
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			can they talk about it,
		
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			but those who advocate for them or support
		
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			them,
		
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			can also do that.
		
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			Imam Anawi,
		
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			may Allah have mercy on him and
		
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			talks about truth telling And he gives 5
		
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			examples, and this isn't a comprehensive
		
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			list,
		
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			but a kind of,
		
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			you know, key,
		
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			categories.
		
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			That in these five cases, it is permissible
		
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			to discuss the sins of another person.
		
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			It is permissible for an oppressed person to
		
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			speak to a judge or another person in
		
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			a position of authority
		
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			and explain how they were harmed by a
		
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			particular person.
		
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			Someone can solicit another person's help in trying
		
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			to stop
		
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			a particular person from continuing to do a
		
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			reprehensible thing,
		
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			a. 3, it is permissible to mention the
		
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			wrong actions of a person in seeking a
		
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			fatwa.
		
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			4, those who openly commit sinful actions.
		
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			5, one can openly call out bad qualities
		
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			of those who narrate hadith,
		
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			are witnesses in court, or are seeking marriage.
		
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			Also, seekers of knowledge should be warned from
		
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			studying with an innovator in religion.
		
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			So
		
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			again, this is an example of the kind
		
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			of categories
		
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			where disclosure is permissible,
		
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			not a comprehensive
		
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			list, but a good sample.
		
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			Another major error that people make when they're
		
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			discussing
		
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			instances or cases of abuse or exploitation
		
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			is that they engage in cherry picking
		
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			from traditional
		
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			legal positions.
		
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			I don't think anyone has really proven this
		
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			better,
		
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			in recent scholarship than Hina Azzam in her
		
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			book Sexual Violations in Islamic Law.
		
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			In that book, doctor Azzam,
		
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			demonstrates
		
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			how
		
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			she she compares the Maliki position and the
		
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			Hanafi position on sexual violations.
		
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			And she shows how they were quite distinct,
		
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			but that each
		
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			school has its own particular
		
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			logic.
		
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			So, for example, while the Madakee School does
		
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			allow pregnancy
		
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			to be used as evidence
		
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			for, engaging in unlawful
		
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			*.
		
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			At the same time, the Maliki School allows
		
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			for circumstantial evidence to be used
		
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			in,
		
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			proving
		
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			sexual violence
		
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			so that a woman can come and claim,
		
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			you know, make a report that she has
		
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			been
		
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			assaulted and her report and any circumstantial evidence
		
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			she has can be used,
		
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			against that person.
		
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			So that,
		
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			and then that evidence can be used even
		
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			in,
		
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			discretionary
		
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			punishment, something,
		
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			to,
		
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			is,
		
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			we could
		
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			is usually translated as discretionary punishment, and it
		
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			means the punishment that the judge or the
		
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			executive
		
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			can give a person if they haven't met
		
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			the threshold of a Haduid crime. So it
		
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			doesn't have to be, say,
		
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			you know, sexual violence to the point,
		
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			that,
		
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			say, a woman got pregnant,
		
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			but she could be molested or assaulted in
		
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			other ways and be subject to punishment.
		
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			According to the severity of the crime, she
		
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			can also demand compensation.
		
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			On the other hand, the Hanafis,
		
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			traditionally do not allow pregnancy
		
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			to be used as evidence
		
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			in,
		
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			in,
		
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			but they also do not allow the use
		
00:45:20 --> 00:45:22
			of circumstantial evidence.
		
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			And,
		
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			in this case,
		
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			it is a completely different doctrine
		
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			so that if a woman
		
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			is pregnant,
		
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			the Hanafis,
		
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			say that that could not be used as
		
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			evidence
		
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			that she has engaged
		
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			willingly and unlawful *.
		
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			But they also really restrict her ability to
		
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			report on that.
		
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			So the schools are very different.
		
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			Now the big problem, as doctor Azam shows,
		
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			is that in many contemporary Muslim societies,
		
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			people mix and match these two doctrines
		
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			to the point where
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:01
			the result
		
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			is,
		
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			can cannot be characterized by anything other as
		
00:46:06 --> 00:46:07
			extreme oppression
		
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			to women
		
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			because it makes it impossible
		
00:46:11 --> 00:46:14
			for a woman to report her assault, but
		
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			also
		
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			she will can be convicted
		
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			of of on the basis of a,
		
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			a pregnancy.
		
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			So this is just one example where cherry
		
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			picking traditional legal positions
		
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			can result
		
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			in,
		
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			just a disaster.
		
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			And to do so is not
		
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			is
		
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			not
		
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			is
		
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			not law.
		
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			It is wrong to take one position
		
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			from a classical,
		
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			doctrine and say this is Islamic law. Islamic
		
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			law is a system.
		
00:46:54 --> 00:46:57
			Right? Law is a system. It's not just
		
00:46:57 --> 00:46:58
			a collection of opinions.
		
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			And people are,
		
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			are really committing a great deal of oppression
		
00:47:05 --> 00:47:06
			against people by doing this.
		
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			Not only
		
00:47:09 --> 00:47:11
			do you have to look at how
		
00:47:12 --> 00:47:12
			various opinions
		
00:47:13 --> 00:47:15
			were collected within a
		
00:47:15 --> 00:47:16
			coherent system,
		
00:47:17 --> 00:47:18
			a system that was
		
00:47:20 --> 00:47:20
			rational
		
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			and also
		
00:47:23 --> 00:47:25
			upheld the values of the Quran and Sunnah,
		
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			but you also have to look at how
		
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			law
		
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			functioned or how thick functioned
		
00:47:31 --> 00:47:32
			within
		
00:47:32 --> 00:47:33
			the whole,
		
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			legal system
		
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			that necessarily
		
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			includes
		
00:47:38 --> 00:47:40
			executive authority and judicial authority.
		
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			There is no law
		
00:47:44 --> 00:47:44
			without
		
00:47:45 --> 00:47:46
			judicial authority
		
00:47:46 --> 00:47:47
			and executive authority.
		
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			Rather, all you have are legal opinions.
		
00:47:51 --> 00:47:53
			So people who say, well,
		
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			well,
		
00:47:54 --> 00:47:56
			the the Shaafi'i madhab says this or the
		
00:47:56 --> 00:47:58
			Maliki madhab says this,
		
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			that's fine. Those are legal opinions, but that
		
00:48:01 --> 00:48:03
			is not law. That is not Islamic law.
		
00:48:03 --> 00:48:04
			Law is a system.
		
00:48:05 --> 00:48:07
			And there never has been,
		
00:48:08 --> 00:48:08
			you know,
		
00:48:09 --> 00:48:10
			edeb or etiquette
		
00:48:12 --> 00:48:15
			or fiqh without the existence of an executive
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:16
			and a judicial
		
00:48:17 --> 00:48:17
			authority.
		
00:48:19 --> 00:48:21
			What is the executive authority? Executive authority is
		
00:48:21 --> 00:48:23
			the caliph or the sultan
		
00:48:23 --> 00:48:26
			or the king or the prime minister.
		
00:48:26 --> 00:48:29
			They are the ones who hold political power.
		
00:48:29 --> 00:48:32
			Judicial authority, this is the judge and all
		
00:48:32 --> 00:48:34
			of those who fall under the judge.
		
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			And
		
00:48:36 --> 00:48:38
			the it is the responsibility
		
00:48:38 --> 00:48:39
			of the chief executive
		
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			to hold all of those under his or
		
00:48:43 --> 00:48:45
			her authority accountable and responsible.
		
00:48:46 --> 00:48:47
			Saidna Umar Ibn Al Khotab
		
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			gave the chutba
		
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			and said, oh, people, I do not send
		
00:48:51 --> 00:48:52
			governors
		
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			to you to flog you or to take
		
00:48:54 --> 00:48:55
			your possessions.
		
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			I send them to teach you your religion
		
00:48:58 --> 00:49:00
			and the path you should follow.
		
00:49:00 --> 00:49:02
			If anything other than this is done to
		
00:49:02 --> 00:49:05
			anyone, he should raise the matter with me.
		
00:49:05 --> 00:49:07
			By him in whose hand is my soul,
		
00:49:07 --> 00:49:10
			I shall certainly permit the law of retaliation
		
00:49:10 --> 00:49:11
			to be used.
		
00:49:12 --> 00:49:12
			And
		
00:49:14 --> 00:49:16
			Saidna Ahmed ibn al As jumped up and
		
00:49:16 --> 00:49:18
			said, will you really permit the law of
		
00:49:18 --> 00:49:18
			retaliation
		
00:49:19 --> 00:49:20
			to be used against
		
00:49:20 --> 00:49:23
			any commander appointed over your subjects who disciplines
		
00:49:23 --> 00:49:24
			one of them?
		
00:49:24 --> 00:49:27
			Said no Ahmed replied, yes, I shall certainly
		
00:49:27 --> 00:49:28
			permit it.
		
00:49:29 --> 00:49:31
			And why not, as I have seen the
		
00:49:31 --> 00:49:33
			messenger of Allah allow the law of retaliation
		
00:49:34 --> 00:49:35
			against himself?
		
00:49:36 --> 00:49:37
			Do not beat Muslims
		
00:49:38 --> 00:49:40
			and humiliate them.
		
00:49:40 --> 00:49:42
			Do not keep them away from their families
		
00:49:42 --> 00:49:45
			and bring temptation upon them. Do not deny
		
00:49:45 --> 00:49:46
			them their rights
		
00:49:46 --> 00:49:48
			and turn them into disbelievers.
		
00:49:48 --> 00:49:51
			Do not settle them among thickets so that
		
00:49:51 --> 00:49:52
			you may lose them.
		
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			There has always been a chain of supervision
		
00:49:58 --> 00:50:01
			where anyone who is established in a position
		
00:50:01 --> 00:50:02
			of authority
		
00:50:02 --> 00:50:04
			was supervised by someone else.
		
00:50:05 --> 00:50:07
			So you have the walk, the charitable endowment,
		
00:50:07 --> 00:50:10
			whether that is a school or a masjid
		
00:50:10 --> 00:50:12
			or a university or anything,
		
00:50:12 --> 00:50:15
			it is supervised by a nazir or a
		
00:50:15 --> 00:50:15
			mutawali.
		
00:50:16 --> 00:50:17
			The,
		
00:50:18 --> 00:50:20
			the nazir or mutawali of the waqf is
		
00:50:20 --> 00:50:22
			supervised by the judge, by the qadi.
		
00:50:23 --> 00:50:26
			The and sometimes the imams are supervised by
		
00:50:26 --> 00:50:27
			the governor.
		
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			The governor is supervised by the chief of
		
00:50:29 --> 00:50:31
			staff or the vizier.
		
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			The chief of staff or the vizier is
		
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			supervised by the sultan or or caliph.
		
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			Now it's at this point where it gets
		
00:50:38 --> 00:50:39
			a little difficult.
		
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			Who will hold and check the Sultan or
		
00:50:42 --> 00:50:42
			the caliph?
		
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			Well, actually, the way it worked is that
		
00:50:46 --> 00:50:47
			nobles, notable,
		
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			or or prominent people in society,
		
00:50:50 --> 00:50:52
			scholars in the military
		
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			tended to hold,
		
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			hold the kelaf or the sultan or the
		
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			king in check.
		
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			Now how many of you recognize
		
00:51:01 --> 00:51:02
			this handsome gentleman
		
00:51:03 --> 00:51:04
			in profile here?
		
00:51:05 --> 00:51:07
			This is Suleiman al Qanuni,
		
00:51:07 --> 00:51:08
			the great
		
00:51:08 --> 00:51:10
			Ottoman caliph Soleiman.
		
00:51:11 --> 00:51:12
			He is known as Al Qanuni,
		
00:51:13 --> 00:51:13
			the lawgiver,
		
00:51:14 --> 00:51:15
			because of
		
00:51:16 --> 00:51:17
			his commitment
		
00:51:18 --> 00:51:21
			to making sure that all of those who
		
00:51:21 --> 00:51:23
			were under his authority, anyone who was put
		
00:51:23 --> 00:51:26
			in a position of power was held accountable,
		
00:51:26 --> 00:51:27
			was supervised,
		
00:51:28 --> 00:51:28
			was governed
		
00:51:29 --> 00:51:30
			by law,
		
00:51:31 --> 00:51:33
			and would not just use their power,
		
00:51:34 --> 00:51:35
			as they wished,
		
00:51:36 --> 00:51:37
			oppressing people.
		
00:51:39 --> 00:51:41
			This picture, by the way,
		
00:51:41 --> 00:51:43
			do you know where it comes from?
		
00:51:44 --> 00:51:45
			Anyone?
		
00:51:46 --> 00:51:47
			Supreme Court.
		
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			Congress.
		
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			Yeah. This is inside
		
00:51:53 --> 00:51:53
			inside
		
00:51:54 --> 00:51:55
			the congress.
		
00:51:56 --> 00:51:58
			This is actually in the chamber where the
		
00:51:58 --> 00:52:00
			lawgivers of the United States,
		
00:52:02 --> 00:52:06
			construct and debate law. He is one of,
		
00:52:06 --> 00:52:07
			I think, 20
		
00:52:08 --> 00:52:11
			individuals who are displayed in this hall for
		
00:52:11 --> 00:52:12
			upholding
		
00:52:13 --> 00:52:14
			justice
		
00:52:14 --> 00:52:15
			and law.
		
00:52:19 --> 00:52:21
			That's that's that's
		
00:52:21 --> 00:52:23
			our people. That's our tradition
		
00:52:24 --> 00:52:26
			is to hold people accountable.
		
00:52:31 --> 00:52:33
			I mean, this is all over the place.
		
00:52:33 --> 00:52:34
			You can look through,
		
00:52:35 --> 00:52:35
			you know,
		
00:52:36 --> 00:52:36
			throughout
		
00:52:37 --> 00:52:39
			the the, premodern
		
00:52:39 --> 00:52:40
			legal system.
		
00:52:40 --> 00:52:43
			Look at Caiyas e Sharia texts or,
		
00:52:44 --> 00:52:47
			manuals for judges or books of politics, and
		
00:52:47 --> 00:52:49
			you see again and again the list of
		
00:52:49 --> 00:52:49
			those
		
00:52:50 --> 00:52:51
			who held authority
		
00:52:52 --> 00:52:53
			to supervise
		
00:52:53 --> 00:52:54
			others
		
00:52:54 --> 00:52:58
			so that no preacher, no imam, no teacher,
		
00:52:58 --> 00:52:59
			no judge,
		
00:53:00 --> 00:53:03
			no one was without someone who supervised
		
00:53:03 --> 00:53:04
			them.
		
00:53:05 --> 00:53:08
			And the higher you rose in power and
		
00:53:08 --> 00:53:08
			position,
		
00:53:09 --> 00:53:11
			the harder you fell.
		
00:53:13 --> 00:53:13
			I mean,
		
00:53:15 --> 00:53:17
			while an ordinary person might be punished for
		
00:53:17 --> 00:53:18
			a crime,
		
00:53:19 --> 00:53:21
			if you were appointed as a judge
		
00:53:22 --> 00:53:23
			or a governor
		
00:53:24 --> 00:53:26
			or in a position of prime minister, or,
		
00:53:26 --> 00:53:27
			you
		
00:53:28 --> 00:53:29
			were in a position
		
00:53:29 --> 00:53:31
			of great power over others,
		
00:53:32 --> 00:53:33
			tax collectors even,
		
00:53:34 --> 00:53:36
			and you exploited those people,
		
00:53:37 --> 00:53:38
			you would be subject
		
00:53:39 --> 00:53:40
			to a
		
00:53:41 --> 00:53:42
			a discretionary
		
00:53:42 --> 00:53:43
			punishment, a
		
00:53:43 --> 00:53:44
			that will,
		
00:53:45 --> 00:53:47
			make your hair curl or straighten depending on
		
00:53:47 --> 00:53:50
			the original state of your hair.
		
00:53:50 --> 00:53:51
			I mean,
		
00:53:52 --> 00:53:53
			people were beaten.
		
00:53:54 --> 00:53:56
			They were mounted backwards on donkeys.
		
00:53:56 --> 00:53:59
			Their faces were covered with ashes. They were
		
00:53:59 --> 00:54:00
			paraded through the cities.
		
00:54:01 --> 00:54:02
			They were,
		
00:54:03 --> 00:54:05
			you know, heads were displayed
		
00:54:06 --> 00:54:08
			on the spikes at the gates of the
		
00:54:08 --> 00:54:09
			city. Now I'm not advocating
		
00:54:10 --> 00:54:10
			any of that.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			But what I'm saying is that
		
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			when people
		
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			say, well,
		
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			aren't we just, you know, supposed to forgive
		
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			people and give them a chance? Yes. We
		
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			do that.
		
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			But
		
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			our tradition,
		
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			our Islamic tradition
		
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			is that if it is a person
		
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			who is in a position of power,
		
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			who has authority over others, who has been
		
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			given a unique trust,
		
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			especially when it comes to the religion,
		
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			and they violate that trust, not make a
		
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			mistake, but violate that trust,
		
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			they're exposed,
		
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			literally
		
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			exposed
		
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			in the public
		
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			and,
		
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			held accountable.
		
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			So,
		
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			you know, we are not like great people
		
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			of the past.
		
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			And I'm not saying that
		
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			that we we we cut and paste,
		
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			you know, any of these systems
		
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			or any of these
		
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			practices,
		
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			but the principles are there.
		
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			And we need to know
		
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			our tradition. We need to know our history.
		
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			And I'm coming near the end now.
		
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			One of the one of the many ways
		
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			that people
		
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			who had positions of power and authority held
		
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			were held accountable
		
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			was
		
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			also
		
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			collective accountability
		
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			so that anyone who was in a profession
		
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			or a guild
		
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			right? And and it's amazing when you look
		
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			at the list of guilds in the Ottoman
		
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			Empire, for example, or a Mamluk Empire,
		
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			you have everything
		
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			from guilds of preachers and scholars
		
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			to,
		
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			guilds of,
		
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			of merchants,
		
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			of shoemakers,
		
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			of bakers.
		
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			I mean, for crying out loud,
		
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			even the prostitutes had their own guilds
		
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			with a code of behavior that they had
		
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			to follow.
		
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			You know, they held each other accountable.
		
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			And how is that possible?
		
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			It is possible for Muslims to bind upon
		
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			themselves,
		
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			responsibilities
		
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			and codes of ethics that are beyond
		
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			what is
		
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			obligatory for everyone else.
		
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			So Imam al Qarafi in
		
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			the, which was recently translated by,
		
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			professor Mohammad
		
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			Fazl talks about this. He says,
		
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			any individual
		
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			may transform any recommended act he wishes into
		
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			one that is obligatory
		
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			even though the revealed law deemed the act
		
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			in question to be merely recommended.
		
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			And so by taking a vow, a person
		
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			can bind themselves to a different calling. And
		
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			this is where we see throughout Islamic history,
		
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			those who
		
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			who,
		
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			decided to enter a profession
		
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			where they had authority over others, where they
		
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			had responsibility
		
00:57:09 --> 00:57:10
			for others,
		
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			bound themselves to codes of ethics, just like
		
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			lawyers today
		
00:57:15 --> 00:57:19
			have professional ethics, and doctors have professional ethics,
		
00:57:19 --> 00:57:22
			and therapists have professional ethics.
		
00:57:23 --> 00:57:26
			You know, even computer coders have professional ethics.
		
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			So,
		
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			one of the easiest ways
		
00:57:30 --> 00:57:32
			to begin to transform
		
00:57:32 --> 00:57:33
			expectations
		
00:57:33 --> 00:57:34
			and change culture
		
00:57:35 --> 00:57:35
			and elevate,
		
00:57:36 --> 00:57:39
			the behavior of those who have authority over
		
00:57:39 --> 00:57:39
			others
		
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			is for,
		
00:57:41 --> 00:57:44
			groups to get together and bind themselves
		
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			through vowels
		
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			to accountability
		
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			and a higher
		
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			code.
		
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			Just a few final things. There are so
		
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			many things to say about this just to
		
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			demonstrate. You know, my goal here is to
		
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			demonstrate to you
		
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			that we have the precedents,
		
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			we have the practices, we have the principles,
		
00:58:05 --> 00:58:06
			we have the history,
		
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			the examples
		
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			that we can draw upon
		
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			to really guide and reform our community.
		
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			So, for example, the precautionary
		
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			principle
		
00:58:16 --> 00:58:18
			when claims of abuse are made.
		
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			The the precautionary principle is that preventing a
		
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			harm takes priority over permitting a benefit. This
		
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			is an Islamic principle as well. It means
		
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			that
		
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			it it means,
		
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			the precautionary principle in itself means that something
		
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			has to be proven
		
00:58:36 --> 00:58:38
			to not be harmful
		
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			rather than,
		
00:58:40 --> 00:58:43
			wait and see if harm happens. So for
		
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			example,
		
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			you cannot,
		
00:58:45 --> 00:58:47
			start selling a pharmaceutical,
		
00:58:49 --> 00:58:49
			a manufactured
		
00:58:50 --> 00:58:51
			drug until you've proven
		
00:58:52 --> 00:58:54
			that it will not cause harm. Right?
		
00:58:55 --> 00:58:57
			So when it comes to putting people in
		
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			power,
		
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			there has to be due diligence.
		
00:59:00 --> 00:59:03
			There has to be not only rigorous
		
00:59:04 --> 00:59:05
			scrutiny and background checks,
		
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			but really,
		
00:59:07 --> 00:59:07
			psychological
		
00:59:08 --> 00:59:08
			testing
		
00:59:09 --> 00:59:11
			and other means can be used
		
00:59:11 --> 00:59:12
			to
		
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			to make sure that we're not putting someone
		
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			in charge of our whole community who is
		
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			going to harm them.
		
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			I mean, you know, people say, well, innocent
		
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			till proven guilty. Again, this is the misplacement
		
00:59:25 --> 00:59:26
			of a of a statement
		
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			from a legal or or,
		
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			from
		
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			a adjudication
		
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			to a,
		
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			to appointing someone to a position of authority.
		
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			It doesn't fit there. It's not it's not
		
00:59:40 --> 00:59:42
			the appropriate place to say that.
		
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			Would you if someone came and knocked on
		
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			your door and said, hey,
		
00:59:48 --> 00:59:50
			I'm a babysitter. Can I come babysit your
		
00:59:50 --> 00:59:52
			kids? You're gonna say, oh, yeah. Well, I
		
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			have to have Hassan Adhan
		
00:59:54 --> 00:59:55
			and give people the benefit of doubt. Go
		
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			ahead. Come on into my home and take
		
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			care of my children. I'm gonna leave.
		
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			How can we do that with the people
		
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			who
		
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			are in charge of the spiritual health of
		
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			our whole community?
		
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			When a claim is made, the person is
		
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			is put on leave until it can be
		
01:00:13 --> 01:00:16
			investigated. Again, this goes back to really, you
		
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			know, my hero, Sayid N'am Mirabin Al Khattab,
		
01:00:19 --> 01:00:19
			who,
		
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			gave us so many excellent examples
		
01:00:22 --> 01:00:26
			of, of holding himself first accountable and then
		
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			others. So Sayyidina Umar relieved Sayyidina Khaled ibn
		
01:00:30 --> 01:00:30
			al Walid.
		
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			Sayf Allah, the sword of Islam.
		
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			The sword of God for the sake of
		
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			Islam relieved him from his position
		
01:00:39 --> 01:00:39
			until he investigated
		
01:00:40 --> 01:00:42
			a complaint against him and was satisfied that
		
01:00:42 --> 01:00:43
			it had no basis.
		
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			Said
		
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			influence
		
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			are not feelings. Power is not a feeling
		
01:00:59 --> 01:01:01
			for someone to say, well, I'm not powerful,
		
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			does not make it
		
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			disappear.
		
01:01:04 --> 01:01:07
			Power is the ability to influence someone.
		
01:01:07 --> 01:01:10
			The humility of a scholar or an imam
		
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			does not diminish or erase their power and
		
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			influence,
		
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			and consent can be impaired by intimidation,
		
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			poverty, imbalance of knowledge,
		
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			experience, etcetera.
		
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			Here's one,
		
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			final example I'll give you.
		
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			This is from,
		
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			an example
		
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			of when,
		
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			restrictions you can you should put in place
		
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			restrictions to prevent exploitation of those with less
		
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			knowledge.
		
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			So Ibn Rushd, the grandfather, in his Bayan
		
01:01:40 --> 01:01:42
			says the Malakis are unanimous
		
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			in their
		
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			prohibiting a sedentary person to sell goods on
		
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			behalf of a nomad because, quote,
		
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			if the latter is ignorant of prices in
		
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			towns or villages,
		
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			their inhabitants can profit from his ignorance,
		
01:01:56 --> 01:01:58
			buying goods cheaply from him.
		
01:01:59 --> 01:02:01
			So is it lawful to enter into a
		
01:02:01 --> 01:02:03
			contract of buying and selling? Yes.
		
01:02:04 --> 01:02:06
			Are these nomads
		
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			adult,
		
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			rational,
		
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			persons who are freely able to consent to
		
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			a contract? Yes.
		
01:02:13 --> 01:02:14
			But situationally,
		
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			they are they have a deficit
		
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			of knowledge with respect to the context.
		
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			So the,
		
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			it's not the
		
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			but the executive, the sultan or the political
		
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			authority,
		
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			who will put in place and here it's
		
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			supported by
		
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			the Maliki judges,
		
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			that the executive put in place this restriction
		
01:02:38 --> 01:02:39
			that,
		
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			sedentary people cannot sell on behalf of the
		
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			Bedouin.
		
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			And the judges
		
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			would,
		
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			issue discretionary punishments to Azzir on a case
		
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			by case basis of those who did this.
		
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			So let's think about context
		
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			where we have adult,
		
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			Muslims who enter a situation
		
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			where they they don't really completely understand what's
		
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			happening.
		
01:03:06 --> 01:03:08
			How many converts,
		
01:03:08 --> 01:03:09
			young Muslim
		
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			convert women,
		
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			have been exploited by people who use their
		
01:03:14 --> 01:03:14
			ignorance
		
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			to engage in some kind of,
		
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			you know, shady secret marriage.
		
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			And we're we're
		
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			with scholars or teachers or preachers are told
		
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			that.
		
01:03:27 --> 01:03:30
			That's not acceptable. And you can't say, well,
		
01:03:30 --> 01:03:31
			she consented
		
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			because that consent is impaired when they don't
		
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			understand the context. And there are many more
		
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			examples we can give from Islamic law that
		
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			prove this.
		
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			So in the end,
		
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			you know, there's a lot to
		
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			there's a lot to talk about.
		
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			There are,
		
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			many examples of of things that are going
		
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			wrong,
		
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			but I hope that with this presentation tonight,
		
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			I showed you
		
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			that there are also
		
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			many resources
		
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			to make things right.
		
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			That we have the principles, we have the
		
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			teachings, we have the examples.
		
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			You know, look at you. We have people
		
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			to be able to correct this. It's not
		
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			going to be easy. It's complex. There are
		
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			many different layers.
		
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			And
		
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			tomorrow in our research conference,
		
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			we have people who are who have,
		
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			you know,
		
01:04:27 --> 01:04:27
			diverse
		
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			experience
		
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			and profession and expertise,
		
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			who are going to give us, you know,
		
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			part of the solution
		
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			to help us understand.
		
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			So may
		
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			Allah guide all of us. Please pray for
		
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			all of those who are doing this work
		
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			and,
		
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			I ask Allah
		
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			to forgive me if I said anything wrong,
		
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			to correct me and guide me,
		
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			and
		
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			to, bring his mercy upon this community
		
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			so that we may truly be servants of
		
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			the servants of God and the work that
		
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			we do.
		
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			Do, and may God's peace and blessings be
		
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			upon our blessed,
		
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			prophet Muhammad.