Ingrid Mattson – Conversation Program 5310

Ingrid Mattson
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The speaker discusses the importance of understanding the religion of Islam and the unique challenges faced by Muslims in their interactions with Christian and Muslim students. They also mention the importance of understanding the context of scripture and the evolution of ideology. The speaker emphasizes the need for a document that is authoritative and a response to extremist or fundamentalist messages.

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			Now let's talk with Ingrid Matson.
		
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			Ingrid, thank you for joining us today. It's
		
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			a delight to have you here and have
		
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			an opportunity to deepen our understanding about the
		
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			religion of Islam.
		
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			I thought we might start by talking about
		
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			your personal journey a little bit. We mentioned
		
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			in the introduction that you chose to convert,
		
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			and I'm wondering what inspired that, and what
		
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			is the the essence and the beauty of
		
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			this Muslim faith for you?
		
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			For me, it really was this example
		
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			of faith in the world. The first Muslims
		
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			I met,
		
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			poor West African students living in Paris,
		
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			not very well accepted by
		
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			the people of that city as
		
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			part of the common good,
		
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			they still maintained a sense of dignity, a
		
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			sense of generosity.
		
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			They didn't become angry,
		
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			but they lived their faith
		
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			through this compassionate,
		
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			sense of of generosity, which they shared with
		
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			me, another another poor student hanging around the
		
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			city.
		
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			So it was that that that appeal to
		
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			me that attracted me to see what was
		
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			the spiritual basis
		
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			of of their presence in the world.
		
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			I'd be interested, Ingrid,
		
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			to know. It seems that your
		
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			life changing
		
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			friendships
		
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			with those Muslim students
		
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			in France,
		
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			and also your work in Pakistan to help
		
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			Afghan refugees,
		
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			where you met your future husband. It seems
		
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			to me you were
		
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			you were doing ministry.
		
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			You were doing
		
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			discipleship
		
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			about
		
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			the reduction of human suffering.
		
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			So what were those
		
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			attitudes and values in Islam? Did you see
		
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			a merging
		
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			of your understanding of the Christian faith and
		
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			Islam
		
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			in your conversion?
		
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			Absolutely.
		
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			I was raised, Roman Catholic.
		
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			And when I stopped practicing Catholicism, it wasn't
		
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			a rejection of the Catholic church. But at
		
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			that time, my faith had simply had simply
		
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			left. And
		
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			and it was Islam that gave me back
		
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			faith in God. But one thing that I
		
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			always appreciated
		
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			in my Catholic upbringing
		
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			was
		
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			the sense that we were called
		
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			to alleviate suffering in the world,
		
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			to show our gratitude
		
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			to God for what we had, the blessings
		
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			we had,
		
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			by demonstrating that, by sharing them with others.
		
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			And when I became a Muslim, I found
		
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			that message
		
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			so strong in the Quran,
		
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			caring for the poor, showing gratitude
		
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			to God, not just through your words, by
		
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			saying thanks,
		
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			but through your deeds,
		
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			by by helping the people of the world
		
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			and and making this a better place,
		
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			especially for those who are the most marginalized.
		
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			You know, it's such a resonance between these
		
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			two traditions,
		
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			and I think that's one of the reasons
		
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			why
		
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			I find work between Christians and Muslims so
		
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			so easy because
		
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			it's clear to me that this is just
		
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			a foundational
		
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			message in both our traditions.
		
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			And what do you find are some of
		
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			the the greater challenges or the misperceptions
		
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			that people have right now in the Christian
		
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			Muslim relations? You you talked about a little
		
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			bit in your message, but there seems to
		
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			be,
		
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			a lot of misunderstandings out there that you
		
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			alluded to.
		
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			Certainly certainly many, people believe that
		
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			that,
		
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			Muslims
		
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			are are more violent than other people, and
		
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			that even Islam encourages this violence.
		
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			This is a problem
		
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			that is related to
		
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			the way we understand scripture.
		
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			It's one of the reasons I I wrote
		
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			a book on the Quran
		
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			called the story of
		
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			Quran to show how the context of the
		
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			revelation of the Quran needs to be understood
		
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			so that we can separate those passages that
		
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			deal with war
		
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			humanity,
		
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			and that most of them are living very
		
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			peacefully,
		
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			in many cases as minorities,
		
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			in countries like, like India and Russia and
		
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			China,
		
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			that that most Muslims certainly are not violent
		
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			people. In trying to break through these stereotypes
		
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			of distortions
		
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			of truth,
		
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			often fueled by secular media,
		
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			Ingrid, I wonder
		
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			I wonder if you can help us,
		
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			try to see more clearly the fringe
		
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			elements. I mean, there's internecine
		
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			war warfare
		
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			not only between
		
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			religions,
		
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			but among religionists who claim the same faith.
		
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			So help us understand
		
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			some of the
		
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			fringe, pieces
		
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			of Islam,
		
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			in in Right. Trying to bring clarity to
		
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			the
		
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			stereotypical feeling. And and that's a great point,
		
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			Lydia. Because in fact, if we look at
		
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			the kind of,
		
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			violence
		
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			that has occurred in the last,
		
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			say, 7 or 8 years, we see that
		
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			more Muslims have died as a result of
		
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			terrorism
		
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			by Muslim extremists than non Muslims. So this
		
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			is primarily directed at their own societies. And
		
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			what are these people opposing?
		
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			Certainly,
		
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			there are many different messages.
		
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			Some of them more political, economic,
		
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			but what we see consistently
		
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			is an authoritarian
		
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			attitude,
		
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			a belief that
		
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			that there's one way,
		
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			my way or the highway.
		
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			And that that really goes against,
		
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			the construction of authority in traditional Islam.
		
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			We do not have one authority
		
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			who can who who decides what is right
		
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			or wrong in our religion.
		
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			Islam has a tradition of dialogue,
		
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			bringing together,
		
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			Muslims from across different places to form a
		
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			consensus or try to approach consensus on issues.
		
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			So this authoritarian
		
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			perspective,
		
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			which can almost be totalitarian,
		
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			seems in fact more inspired by those kind
		
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			of 20th century
		
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			fascist or totalitarian
		
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			movements than anything
		
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			from the Islamic tradition.
		
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			And I think that's something we need to
		
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			take seriously is the is the way that
		
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			that ideologies of the 20th century have really
		
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			distorted our our tradition. Well, it's a good
		
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			segue to talk about a common word then
		
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			that you mentioned in your message as well.
		
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			This is a document that exists, that's constantly
		
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			evolving.
		
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			Some people would ask what kind of document
		
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			itself do, but talk about some of the
		
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			practical applications of this in the time that
		
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			we have left here because it's making an
		
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			impact in the world
		
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			in a big way, you would you would
		
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			say. Absolutely. And in the end, we are
		
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			people of scripture, and we are people who
		
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			have looked to
		
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			authoritative statements and creeds
		
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			to tell to to show us the bounds
		
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			or the limits
		
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			of proper behavior within our our traditions, both
		
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			Christianity and Islam.
		
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			So it's important when,
		
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			as I mentioned, when bad
		
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			ideology
		
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			comes in the door,
		
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			that there's something
		
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			that can refute that.
		
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			And and what we've noticed is that,
		
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			there's such a sense of relief on the
		
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			part of ordinary Christians and Muslims
		
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			that they now have a document like the
		
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			common word and the Christian responses to them
		
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			to say,
		
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			yes, you should engage with
		
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			your with your neighbor of the other faith
		
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			in doing good work. You are not required
		
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			to dislike them or keep them at an
		
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			arm's distance.
		
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			You will not water down your faith if
		
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			you work with them,
		
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			for the common good to alleviate human suffering.
		
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			So although people may say, well, it's just
		
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			words, we need those words as authoritative,
		
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			so that then we can go out and
		
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			and do those good works,
		
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			with a response to the extremists or or
		
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			fundamentalists in our religion who say, you know,
		
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			stay away from those other people.
		
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			Ingrid, we're so happy you've joined us today.
		
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			This has been a wonderful conversation. We're gonna
		
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			continue it on the show. I know in
		
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			future
		
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			programs. Thank you again. Thank you so much.
		
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			It's been my pleasure. Great.