Imtiaz Sooliman – talks kindness, callings and CT fires
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Kindness can the podcast with radio personality Jane Lindley
Thomas and psychologist Paul bushel, because every act of
kindness, no matter how big or small, can change lives. In this
series, Jane and Paul hope to enrich your life by giving you
practical tools on how to be kinder in your relationships with
yourself, with those around you, at home, work and in your
community.
So we are absolutely delighted to have Doctor MTS, suluman, founder
and chairman of gift of the givers, with us on kindness can
today, greetings and cheery Salutations to you, doctor, ah,
take to you. To also Jane and to Paul. Thank you very much for
having me on your program. Well, it's an absolute privilege to have
you, not only founder of gift of the givers, who, since 1992 has
managed to raise more than 3 billion rand and help people in
more than 40 countries, but Doctor sulaman, you personally as well,
no less than nine honorary doctorates, countless presidential
and international awards, and must be one of the greatest South
Africans of our time. We are just so delighted to have you on
kindness. Can today. I know Jane and I both. You're a role model
for us. So thanks for taking the time to chat with us today. Thank
you very much. It's a pleasure. I was Thank you, Paul. Earlier, this
is bigger than interviewing Bono.
Doctor
Sullivan, it's really wonderful to Beth you. Mean, I've had the
absolute privilege of working alongside the gift of the givers
throughout my time at East Coast Radio. So again, thank you. So
what is that the conversation of with obviously, gift of the givers
making news around our country and around the world, as far as the
support given during the Cape Town fires, I mean, more than 4000 UCT
students fed and housed. What kind of logistics goes into an
operation like that? To be honest, Jane, you know, the logistics of
this one is not too big, because, you know, it's a limited space,
it's a limited area. It's a well organized city. So it's not like
in a disaster zone in an earthquake or something like that.
The only complication was that you had to cook so many meals very
quickly at short notice on the first night, because it happened
very suddenly. So on the first night, you get a call at half past
four to say, arrange for 4000 students. The cook. It's Sunday
afternoon. All the shops are not open. Now. It's to bring a staff
back, get the ingredients, cut them, clean them, cook them, and
we're catering for different tastes, chicken, mutton and
vegetarian. All that has to be sorted out. And then the students
themselves. You don't know where they are, because the university,
at the same time, is trying to find accommodation for 4000
students at short notice. And with lockdown, a lot of hotels have
closed, you know, are not functional. The staff are home.
They haven't been working for months, which means hotels are
going to find staff management, bring in, clean up the hotels,
bring the place, bring the teams in. And the students were awake,
so now cooking the food, but you're not sure where you're going
to deliver it. And eventually, as you were getting to the hotels,
the students were coming in, as you were coming there, you know,
they were walking at the same time, and some of them,
fortunately, they were already in their rooms. So in essence, we
took four the all those pots of food, almost 14 pots of food, it
was brought to our office. Then fall of all of Cape Town came to
volunteer. And then, whilst that is happening, of course, now I
have to worry about social distancing and masking, so to
bring my medical teams in just to make sure that everybody follows
the rules. But fortunately, everybody was well disciplined,
organized a way of covid 19, and we package all the food in those
form, plates from our phone boxes, from the pots. And then everybody
came. I got a car. I got a vehicle. I got this, I got that I
can deliver. We delivered to 29 hotels. So it was from the cook to
the office. Volunteers form packages, different cars, people,
less of go to what and where and what quantities in each hotel, 30
year, 50 year, 500 there, 420, there, 255, there, 250, they took
it to all the different hotels. And in some places they went in
hotel, door to door, room to room, to deliver to the students. So
that was the exciting part. But then the university gets back to
us on Sunday night and says, we have another favor to ask of you,
besides tonight. Can you pay for the next six to seven days, three
meals a day?
We said, Fine, we'll do that, because we got some more time on
on Monday morning arrangement. But on Sunday night, when we went to
the rooms, the students very grateful, very thankful. Then ask,
Can you arrange, you know, a soap, toothbrush and a toothpaste for
us, and because we don't have those hygiene items, because we
just left our room suddenly, so on Sunday, on Monday morning, we
started packaging hygiene tax in addition to the three minutes per
day, no wonder how many volunteer funds. I mean, you know that
doctor MTS has four cellphones, and now we know why
I was about to say that little black book has got a lot of
numbers in it. How many volunteers Doctor cinnamon does it take to
make something like that happen? Look, we have no volunteers, to be
honest. We have full time staff who work like machines because we
specialize in disasters.
We can't have people coming who don't really know how the system
works. Each one in the team knows how the other guy works. So whilst
volunteers can become a pro, because they will tell you they're
coming Monday morning, then suddenly they got a dental
appointment, or the cat got sick, or something else called, you
know, we have got that kind of story, and it can't work on us. It
has to be on the spot. You know, it's like robots. Our teams are
like robots in their sleep. They can tell you what to do, but where
the volunteers help is where the people of Cape Town came forward,
because that kind of packaging, you know, assist text and then the
core tip and concentrate on goods coming in, organizing things,
making sure all the paperwork is in, knowing which hotels students
have to go for just to get quality instructions. And it was very,
very interesting that more than 300 if not more, than the
volunteers turned up to have. And to be honest, quite frankly, we
could have had more than 4000 volunteers, more volunteers than
the students that needed out, because the whole of Cape Town
wanted to come. And we had to hold that back, because, again, for the
rules. And it was very, very interesting to see that the first
guys on the pot offloading food into foam box was an orthopedic
surgeon and a pediatric nutrition members of my team, emergency
medicine specialists came, gynecologists came, all kinds of
people came to the area itself to assist in the delivery and
distribution of the food. So my sister lives in Cape Town, and she
was obviously extremely emotional on the phone, day in and day out.
But it's always the case, isn't it, that, you know, Paul and I are
so passionate about kindness. That's why we started the kindness
can movement three years ago, because we so believe in the power
of kindness. And I suppose it's when the chips are down that we
realize that we are capable of so much. And I guess that you get to
see that day in and day out in this beautiful country, Shane, you
know, and Paul, you know, what, what was different this time?
Remember, we we've been socially estranged. Besides social, you
know, distancing, we've been socially estranged from family,
from friends, from the workplace, from going to the park, from going
out. And to me, they get together in Cape Town. The desire to be
together was to feel being, working together and doing in a
responsible, sensible way. That's why so many people came up. Yes,
yes. They came because they fell for the people of for the students
in UCT. You know their difficulty, but just to see each other. I
mean, the last two days we've got people from different companies.
So you know what? We just want to be here. I said, to do what? No,
we just have to be here. It's such a nice atmosphere, nice feeling.
We just want to be here. It's funny, having suffered all and we
fasting. So of course, teams of us are fasting too. So they come and
join us for fasting, and they say, No, we want to be here, but since
you can be here, it's not a problem. And the other striking
thing was, this a guy called from kalitra. He says, I don't have a
house. I'm from a shack. I don't have money, I can't offer
anything, but I lost everything in five years previously, and you
guys helped us. I know what it's like. Can I take a taxi and come
to the building there and assist you pack boxes or whatever is
necessary? And he said, you know, what can we do that? I said, Yes,
you know, you're almost welcome if you can make money, if you come,
come here. That was one of the positive message. Then a lot of
people who came said, we don't know who the students are. It
doesn't family and friends. The family and friends this, this
students are in in residences. So all people, young people, came,
they said, we feel for the students. It's like looking after
our children, our daughters and sons. And we know when we are
mothers and our kids are far away, what it feels like all different
races, different religion, different color, not knowing who
is, who all came just to be and take care of the students. And
then when there was such an outpouring so there was a
compassion on the one side, the care that the students are away
from home for another the third problem was they came back to
study after a year. Basically, last year was the last year, and
just as they started, then the fire comes and stops teaching time
again, and especially medical students are worried about a
volume. And then, of course, the people want to be together. And
the beautiful thing was this, at fasting time when the Muslim guys
were breaking the fast, everybody else was not fasting. Join them.
So it became one big, happy family to eat together. It was such a
good spirit of South Africans working together after a year of
depression, a distance from each other, things not going right. And
it was like, you, life is back. Yeah, I get goosebumps while
you're talking, of course, I suppose lots of moments of
unkindness, whether human made or from nature, the kindness that
comes to fix that must be so inspiring for you as a person, I
can hear it in your voice. Yeah. Maybe you can take us through some
of your stories where, where kindness is has really stood out
for you. Where the the spirit of kindness has just made such a big
difference. It's been in every country, wherever we go, locally,
even locally, wherever we work. You know, you could see the the
effect of that. It's always a spiritual and a religious element
to when you go and serve people you get let's take covid 19.
Now these are professional people. These are doctors, CEO of
hospitals, nursing managers, hospital managers, sitting in
hospital. And as you develop the stuff, as you get there, they just
ask you, how did you know? Now you think about that. No question is
this, how did you know? How did you know what they said? How did
you know that the nurses were about to go into strike in the
next one hour, because they were short of PPEs and they were afraid
to go and see the patients. What made you come at this moment of
time? We said, We just came here because it was part of the
schedule. What are exaggeration? It happened in so many facilities.
When we got there, they said, You know what the last mass is in the
room? The last mask in the room when I drove into Internet
hospital, when my kids drove into Internet Hospital in Melbourne,
ECA was said the same thing. They said, You know what? We were so
disillusioned, so demotivated. We had run out of PPEs. There was no
deliveries. And we saw the gifts of the givers, branded vehicle
driving, and we knew our answer was in that van. We didn't know
what you brought, we didn't know why you're coming. We didn't know
when you were coming, we didn't know that you were coming. But
when we saw the van, we knew that our solution lies in that van. And
it happens over and over and over again. That's covid 19 a few weeks
ago. You may have read the story. It's quite big in the media, and
all men from muscle bank, Africana, Christian man calls and
he says, I need to see you guys, allegedly. So we see for what he
says, I want to be quit my property to you. So we said, you
just need to speak to your lawyer. He says, No, understood you,
because I don't trust lawyers. I want you guys to recommend the
lawyer to make sure that there's no cost and everything comes to
you. We didn't ask among nothing. We said, okay, my friend, we're
busy with covid. 19. We busy with drought. Denise, okay, this guy is
from muscle brain. We said, we'll get to you. It's fine. It so
happened we were doing a delivery of food parcels for farmers. First
time farm workers, farmers have offered four parcels because
they've lost everything. It's unusual for a farmer to ask for a
food parcel for his family, because the food parcel to the
farmer. We took the food parcel for the farm workers, and then we
went to the area, and we told the guy, my guy's from Cape Town, I'll
come and see you. So he goes, he only speaks through Africans. So
my guy said he had to adjust to Africans. And in case, he goes
inside the area, and he says he sees a picture of me on initial an
article about something we have done in Tiktok. And the guy says,
Thank you very much for coming Afrikaans. And then he starts
pouring his heart out. He says, you know, when I was very young,
at the age of around 20, I was going to get married that week.
Everything was arranged. The bride was ready. I was ready. The bride
outfit was ready. My outfit is ready. Invitation cards went out.
The hall was booked. The caterers booked. This is going to happen
this week, get married this week, and in that week, he said there
was a car accident and the bride to be died. He said, I lost faith
in God Almighty. I lost religion, I lost hope in mankind, and I live
like that for many, many years. It takes out a fight. It says, Look
at this. And five years of gifted articles. It takes out on that
file. He said, Look at the style. I've been following you guys. He
said, I've been watching what you do for the farmers, for the
animals. And he said, What I love about it, it's all race, all
religion, all color, no questions asked. He said, When I looked at
that, my faith started coming back. He said, For that to happen,
that for that kind of compassion, it has to come from a god. It
can't come from nowhere. So there has to be a god, and I need to
reprogram my mind. He said, I've been going back to my religious
books. I'm reading again. I'm checking again. I'm getting faked
again. And I want to give you my estate. I have nobody, no cat, no
dog, No wife, no children. It's only me. My money is invested. My
investments, my returns is I need 25,000 I need 25,000 Rand a month
to live. And this is what I need to save myself. But when I pass
on, I got my money all different funds, different insurances,
different investments. I need that lawyers to write all these things
down. I want everything to come to you. And we asked how much 8.2
million? He said, everything must come to you. And I said, and he
said, I want to come with you when you go next time to specifically
when you go and feed the animals and the farmers, I want to come
with you. So we are arranging a father delivery very soon in
oswaran, just to take this gentleman with us. Do you know
what's the best beauty of the story? When the story broke, my
guys went back to him a few weeks ago. He said, Let me tell you
something.
It. He said, people in the South have been coming. They heard about
a story, and they came to me. They said, You know, there's a man in
this town wants to keep 8 million men. Who is it man? He said, I
don't keep a straight face. All my neighbors and friends are
disgusting about what's going on. I tell you, I'm like, I know
nothing. They said that every time to figure out who is this man in
muscle bank, that's you guys talk to me, and everybody's speaking to
each other. It's me, and nobody knows that.
And I think that's one of the beauties about being kind, is that
it doesn't have to be seen as a headline. It's that currency, and
that's why Paul and I so believe in kindness as well. Is that we do
things not in the view of everybody else. It's the stuff
that happens behind the scenes. And I kind of think that leads
into, you know, I was going to talk about, I mean, there's been
rumors about you being up for the Nobel Peace Prize, or talking
about awards that are to go towards you, and you have said,
*'s to the nose. Nose, nose. I'm not interested, right? Look,
there's two. I'm not interested in Nobel Prize or anything like that,
for that matter, to be honest, because my teacher told me
something very important when he came in instruction. I explained
this clearly. When I was given instruction, he said, My son,
whatever you do will be done through you and not by you, so
automatically, that whatever is coming is coming because of some
spiritual power to you. It's not your own achievement, he said. And
then, but people come to you, they said, we really want to honor you.
We feel important because it's good for our institution to give
you, you know, the kind of our recognition, and we just feel like
doing it. Now, when people come with such kind of love, it doesn't
sound very nice to say, I don't want it where I will not take an
award is where somebody says you must write in and say why you must
get this award. And my staff laugh was quite often, because some
request comes from America a million dollars to me to for the
recipient of this award, you gotta fill it and motivate why? When
they get it, they know they just have to delete the email. I'm not
even going to read it and and like that. Somebody comes and says, You
know what, you've been nominated by somebody. A lot of people got
together and they want to give it this award. Will you accept? In
that case, I'll say yes, because it's coming that comes from the
heart, and you don't turn away you because people feel you want to
recognize something good, like universal doctorate school, they
will phone you and say, look, we've got a whole board set the
company said, and you are nominated on behalf of the
university. Would you accept this? And if it's your own university,
for example, where you come from, you can't say no, you know. And
you can't say no to a university is not in the top 10 or top 50 in
the world. It means you are selective again, you know or not.
You only one to go to the top universities, and not those ones
are not so recognized because of resources or even maybe so you
can't do that. Yeah, I've taken awards from very unknown people
and from very highly recognized people in the interest of saying,
I appreciate what you do. So. Doctor sueman, lots of awards, but
what have been some of the greatest rewards for you in doing
the work that you've been doing for the last 28 years, the answer
is always the same. It lies in the eyes of those people that you
have. It's not a thank you verbally. It's not a this. It's a
look in the eyes. You see it in the children. You see it in the
women. You see the elderly. And you can see on the face a
spiritual kind of glow on the face when you bring the stuff. All
people in the rural areas in the Pascal will do this. They'll put
their heads up and, you know, thank God Almighty. They'll say,
like the doctors and the CEOs and the managers hospital said, How
did you know the old people on a stick in the rural area, I will
say God answered our prayers. The people in green came. We knew he
won't let us down. We knew our prayers will be answered someday.
We were waiting for food. Our children were hungry. We were
hungry. We had no water. We knew God Almighty, will answer our
prayer. You are God's people. You have come to fulfill his prayer.
Then you see we say thank you. In other areas, they don't say
anything. You look at the eyes, and the eyes slowly go heavenward
like that, and it comes back down, and you can sit intense
thankfulness in the eye. And one of the places that it happened was
in Somalia, when we went in 2011
when the famine was killing 1000s of children each day, and the
mothers had no breast milk to feed the children, and there was no
food. And you gave them 45 nutrition supplement to feed the
children, and you gave something to feed them, and they said with
their eyes, they looked at you like Thank you. In Niger, 2008
famine again, hitting the country. We went in. We had 1000s of
patients who came and they needed medical care besides, besides
food, we sent out a medical team in the we had about eight or nine
of us, and where.
Be realized. There's like, eight or 9000 people here, how they're
going to finish this? So when I started with the children, I saw,
okay, some of them are not so bad. So when we went to see the
children, and we asked the parent, can we see you? Because you guys
haven't seen the doctor, we just did this, I couldn't understand
why they don't ask. And when they came, no adults milking. No
teenager came, no child above six came. When the mother came, she
only pointed to the baby and not to herself. And I can't understand
this based on other people, there were no medical care here. There's
famine, there's disease, there's no medical care. Why did everybody
else not come? Couldn't understand that. And then after a while, I
said, Okay, there's too many people here. And then we went, and
I started seeing the children, and I pointed the guy. I said, this
baby's okay. So all I did is they understood instantly. They
understood that. I said, the baby is okay. You need to go. No
questions asked. They walked out. I can't understand what's going on
here that evening when we're having supper, I always have the
teams with me to discuss, the medical teams, the media teams, my
workers teams, I didn't the government, and I said, Speak. You
know, you everybody's got a chance to speak. One media guy says, I
went into the village. I questioned the people. They said
three to five children a day were dying in this village. I said,
thank you very much. You don't need to speak anymore. I
understood what happened. He said, What do you mean? You understood
what happened? I said, these people understood that we've come
with limited resources, with limited medical people, so they
don't want to jam the queue up. That's why no adult came, no
teenager came. They only came to bring the baby because babies were
dying. So if they take the pressure of us and we only look at
the baby, we have the chance of saving a baby or somebody, and if
their baby is not so bad and we die in three weeks time, they are
prepared to wait until three weeks time and hope that some adults
will come in at three weeks so they sacrifice themselves. This is
kind. Doesn't do it another way. It is compassion. It's the
ultimate sacrifice. Actually, you know, they sacrifice their own
health, their own being, so that somebody else's child could be
saved. And the next day, they knew the system. The moment they came
from five they said, I said, Thank you. Go on. They understood the
system. And then all the sequence. They said that one come. And they
started pointing to bring the sequence. We saved every single
child on that
because the community understood. And I then quenched the coin a
phrase to say, you know, the the beauty, the dignity of the people
of Africa, because we always say it's a continent with fighting and
corruption and illness and disease, but nobody sees the
spiritual side. What guarantee was there that it was time somebody
else was coming. But they sacrificed seeing that child, to
see one that was immediately very, very ill today, that may die this
afternoon, that was an ex supreme sacrifice. It's one thing to be
the the giver of kindness, and that's so inspiring and powerful.
But it must be another thing so rewarding to watch beneficiaries,
people who are struggling with illness and disease and and
famine, finding within them the ability to continue to be kind,
uh, in spite of that for their community, I mean, I think that
that's just, that's just
emotion, yeah, let me tell you a story of that. We were in Yemen.
It was August, 2012
it was Ramadan. I went there for the first time because I saw
pictures of family and BBC whilst I was in tech, and I came across,
I went across, and I said, I met a guy who was now my the guy who's
my office manager is the guy with the under sagamati, the guy who
took out Yolandi Koki from al Qaeda. I met him on that trip, and
he took me around. And it was it was sunset. Now time to break
fast. And suddenly this woman is screaming in the streets, and I'm
thinking to myself, honest, what is wrong with this lady? He says
she's fighting with all the men in the street to tell them they have
no right to take me and him for for eating food. We need to break
fast in her house. I said, breakfast in the house. What she's
got in the house to eat.
And it struck me then that the whole day, we were walking around,
oh and Abu bak is the head of a such a rescue team. And we were
three of us were together. And then suddenly I told Ahmad, you
know, what went to every house looking for kids who got famine,
or, you know, food or malnutrition, we couldn't find
them, he said. I said, You know what we must What did we miss? I
said, Did you realize that no house had any furniture, no
fridge, no carpet, no food parcel, no food, no table. We were.
About the whole day in 15 villages, and we must do something
so important. There was nothing in those houses. What are these
people eating? And then I said, this lady now wants me and you and
to come into her house to eat. If we eat her food, what is she going
to eat? So she probably going to put us in the dark, because
there's no lights there. Very much like a Scotland, no lights day,
and in the dark, she will make that she's eating, and whatever
she has she will give you. And I said, How am I going to swallow
that? Surely I can't eat that? I said, it's Ramadan. You're not
supposed to lie any anytime. Ramadan is worse for us to lie.
But I said, Oh God, I'm going to lie. Forgive me. But I said, Tell
a lady we invited somewhere else to eat. I will actually accept an
invitation somewhere else. I just couldn't have the heart to eat
that we walked into Syria, into into a camp. It's freezing cold.
I'm a guy who can't take more weather. It was freezing cold. The
kids were walking naked, getting washed in ice cold water. And I
think to myself, Oh, my God, what is this? And we go inside, and
it's ready. And then a child comes from a ball of honors and says,
the the biggest pastor is he said, You gotta take that, and you gotta
eat, brother. He said, You gotta eat. I said, I gotta eat this. And
then what is the challenge a family going to eat? He said, You
have to eat it. It's part of the culture. You are the guest. You
have to eat that all of the offer you, otherwise they will feel
terribly insulted. And I'm thinking to myself, how am I going
to swallow this thing? Because if I eat this, what is this challenge
a family going to eat after that, I no choice. They made me eat it,
and I had to eat it, and there was thankfulness in the eyes. I came
to help them, but they give me the others, and they're nothing to
eat. I can give you hundreds of stories like this, gosh, I don't
know if I should cry or celebrate. I just feel so moved. Doctor
Suleiman as a child, you know, I wanted to be a cashier when I was
a small child. My aspiration was to be a cashier or an actress. As
a small child, what did you want to do with your life? I wanted to
be a doctor. I wanted in you always, you know, always. We had a
doctor still alive. He was, I was born in Pakistan, and we had a
general practitioner called Doctor Ismail hafeji, and he was both in
the medical world and in the religious world. In Ramadan again,
when at night, we have night prayers, where we decide the Quran
from memory. And people from small, parents from small sent
kids from small it to memorize. It's 30 chapters, so they will
memorize it. And over 30 nights in the month of Ramadan, they recite
it, and people follow them. So this guy was the doctor in the
day. You calling for a house phone in any part of the night, no issue
to come and and Ramadan, he studied the congregation in the
prayer, and one day he said he's not doing it. He said he needs to
take a break. And nobody turned out. There was nobody else who
could read it as quantum and he stepped up to the mosque, and they
said, there's nobody. He said, Okay, I'll do it, no problem. And
when I saw the balance of the religious part and the service
part, always with a smile, I said, Okay, I want to be a doctor. I
said, the second part about memorizing part, I don't think
I'll be able to do that, but being the part of being the doctor, yes,
that I want to do. He eventually moved to German. He now lives in
Durban, and he's a professor of pediatrics, and after today, you
know, when we meet, I speak, I remember those days that he was
such a dedicated doctor, and when I saw that, that inspired me to
say, I have no other profession in my mind. I want to be a doctor. I
mean, your job is so selfless, it's so giving, it's so community
based. What do you do in your spare time for you to pour back
in? Because if there's an old that saying that you can't pour from an
empty cup, and I assume that you get so much buoyancy and resonance
from people and community, but what do you do for you and your
spare time? Do you have spare time? Always
say that's the right question.
That's the right question. You know, yes, I work 24 sir, since
covid 19, I've been working 20 hours a day from 50th of March
after today, because there's always something else. But that's
not an issue for me. I've always felt less. You know, I always
worked more, and I'm a guy that loves action. I can't sit still,
and my wife calls me an idiot. She says, You are not from this world,
so when we're talking about human things, you can't be part of the
conversation, because we are talking about human beings, and
you are not human so so I said, What do you mean? She said, it's
crazy. And when they say, go for holiday, I start getting stressed.
I always get a joke. I find relaxation very stressful.
She said, 10 years ago, she said she used to go to the book. I said
to the bird, what you going to do there after six o'clock? So that
day, there's nothing to do. I'll go crazy in the book.
I want to relax. It
took me 10 years to take it to the bug. I.
And then I've got, I got a
I've got, I've got a manager of mine who's now retired. He's not
well, so one day he falls weak. He's just like me. He said, phew,
I got a problem. I said, What's the problem? He said, My wife is
coming. She wants to go to warmer for two days. What am I going to
do in one box for two days? He said, I can't relax. What am I
going to do in one box? I mean, you're going to sit there and hot
water and do nothing. So no, I can't go to this place. So it's
all inside of
but to the last, to be honest, sometimes come from a three day
one, once a person. I got sick one internship. I had to fill in a
call time for some you did my time at some time there was no space,
and I would do three calls in a row, 72 hours, work little Monday
morning and go on Thursday afternoon. And when I get home, I
quietly go to the video shop, get three action movies, hide them
under my car seat, come home and hide them under the loud so far, I
don't know if it's busy, I think about and then I watch, and I
watch three action movies in a row. So my relaxation is actually
action movies late at night. What's your favorite action movie?
All of them, all the guys, Bruce Willis Stevens.
I was about to say, please say Bruce Willis.
My money was on British
ah Sylvester, Stallone, Gerard, Butler,
all those kind of actions stars. When I watched comedy, I thought a
wife is too sad to watch a comedy. We're
gonna find a romantic movie. And Sunday, I say, Oh, these things
are so funny to kill a person.
Well, Doctor, cinnamon, I certainly hope that there's an
action movie in your very near future, because you are certainly
deserving of it. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy
schedule to share some of these amazing, heartwarming, inspiring
stories with us, like the doctor was to you. You are certainly a
role model to so many of us. I know Jane's nodding with me right
now. Thank you for being such an inspirational South African. Yeah,
we're very, very proud to to be part of you in some way, in the
work that you're doing. So thank you very much. Thank you dear Paul
and thank you, Jane and honest, thank you to East Coast Radio.
We've done a lot of things together, and we're still doing
things together. It's been great. You know, East Coast journals have
been coming with us for a long time, and it's great. You know,
being part of the station and having partnership with the
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interview. Oh, lots of love team. Thank you so much for your time.
May all your voyages be happy. One go well. Amen. Thank you very
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