Imtiaz Sooliman – Gift of the Givers offers help to Booysens fire victims

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The pandemic has caused a significant impact on the operations of disaster management companies, including the need for more support for affected residents, social distancing and water and hygiene supplies for school children and children, and infrastructure renovations and hospital openings. The hospital has opened up new facilities in various countries, including Spain and Mitchell, Spain, to make it easier for doctors to stay in the facility. The speakers emphasize the importance of finding ways to protect communities from damage to construction projects, and the need for forgiveness and knowledge of the type of rock used for construction. The conversation ends with a brief advertisement for Dr im arrive.

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			Let's talk to the story in our
gift of the givers, was on site to
		
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			in a Boysen in Johannesburg
yesterday, assisting disaster
		
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			management metropolis and Ward
councilors to deal with the fire
		
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			that started late afternoon. About
400 checks affected at displacing
		
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			2000 people. Disaster Management
were efficient in putting out the
		
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			place once the affected residents,
or rather, once the affected
		
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			residents were settled in their
dwellings. Gift of the giver says
		
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			it will provide mattresses, food
parcels, hygiene packs and
		
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			stationery. We're joined now via
Skype by the gift of the givers.
		
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			Founder, doctor in tears, Suleman,
a very good morning to you,
		
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			doctor, India's Suleman, thank you
so much for making the time. Good
		
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			morning to you. Thank you very
much for having me on your program
		
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			before you ask your first
question. I just like to offer my
		
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			condolences to for Jackson mtembo,
I knew personally, and condolences
		
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			to his family, to the community,
to the government, today, today
		
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			and see a wonderful man, a great
loss. Very straightforward, very
		
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			frank, very pleasant to deal with
it. It's a great loss to our
		
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			society. Absolutely in agreement
with you. A really great loss.
		
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			Tell us about the work you're
doing in poisons. How's gift of
		
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			the givers, assisting those
affected by the fire.
		
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			We're on site already. Right now.
As I'm speaking to you, our teams
		
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			are distributing support. The
queues are already there. People
		
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			are waiting in the line. We were
there yesterday evening, right at
		
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			the 11pm just consoling the
people. They virtually lost
		
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			everything. The fire destroyed
everything. All the structures
		
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			were flat on the ground. People
then went to the halls, the women
		
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			and children. But in just most
cases, almost top of most all
		
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			cases, when it comes to fire like
this, people don't really like to
		
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			hit the site where the house was.
They feel it. They'll lose the
		
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			site. So many people want to stay
on site. So we were there early
		
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			this morning already distributing
hot meals to them, water. They get
		
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			very thirsty during situations
like this. I'm providing blankets
		
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			and in diapers and baby pottage
right now, the moment they get
		
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			into their homes. And again, it's
a new standard in our society that
		
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			they come up very, very quickly.
They build very clear within the
		
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			first 24 hours. Once they settle
in their homes, we will then
		
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			provide them with food parcels and
hygiene packs, because it's easier
		
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			to once look after them once in
your own house. We'll be giving
		
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			them sleeping bags now, but we'll
add mattresses later on and new
		
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			clothing. But of course, for
school starting in around 15 days
		
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			time, or just a little longer than
that, we're going to provide
		
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			stationary force. What's the most
urgent need all
		
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			items that I've mentioned? You
know, food is required, water
		
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			clothing, they require new
clothing. Please remember, we
		
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			don't take old clothes. We require
new clothing. They have lost
		
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			everything. So any type of new
clothing, food items, any you
		
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			know, hygiene packs, toothbrushes,
soap, detergents, any of those
		
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			type of items, raw blankets. We
need more blankets, you know, and
		
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			more mattresses. All those should
be a great value, because it's a
		
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			lot of houses to cover. There's
between 405 100. Nobody knows the
		
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			exact number. They're still
writing the things around. So it
		
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			probably be 500 families that need
all these items, adding up to
		
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			about 2000 people. Doctor
Sullivan, do we know if there are
		
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			any fatalities?
		
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			They, unfortunately, this fire.
They were no fatalities. But it
		
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			has been great year that, after a
long time where no fatalities in
		
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			the fire, and again, every year US
time, we always have some kind of
		
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			fire, but this one, fortunately,
there were no fatalities. I know
		
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			it's no cause for celebration, but
for a while now, almost a year,
		
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			your major focus has been on,
specifically on covid 19 related
		
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			situations. What are your covid 19
considerations as you go into this
		
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			particular situation
		
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			where, in in the the poison fire,
you talk about specifically, yes,
		
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			yeah, it's this rule is very
simple. It's a standard rule.
		
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			Everybody has to make sure you can
your social distancing, make sure
		
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			you've got your mask on, sanitize,
and that's what we do it every
		
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			distribution. This was only fire
by the way we responded to during
		
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			covid 19. We've done several fires
throughout the year, from the
		
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			beginning, since March 15. So
we've been involved in many fires,
		
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			even storms. The big storm in AMTA
did destroyed so many houses.
		
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			Fires in khayelsha, in Yanga, in
Langa, in many other in Philippi
		
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			last week, in many, many places,
we've been involved in the same
		
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			situation, but we have to say a
big part as much as you try to
		
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			keep the social distancing,
because there's desperation,
		
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			sometimes the rules get broken.
People get too close to each
		
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			other, people are worried that
they will not get the items. And
		
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			even when we're doing water
distribution on a daily basis, you
		
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			know, you say the same story for
almost 10 months, but you can't
		
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			blame the people, because they
never know where the next water or
		
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			the next passes will come from. So
as much as you try, and as much as
		
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			they try, in the human need of
desperation, the markets get
		
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			blurred.
		
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			Dr Silverman, give us an update of
you've.
		
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			Touched a bit on some all the
covid 19 related work that gift of
		
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			the givers has been doing
throughout the country, where
		
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			there are different needs, and
perhaps if you can also tell us
		
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			about the cost implications, where
you know, we can make a call out
		
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			to South Africans to ask for
assistance.
		
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			Well, let's start off with a cost
implication. It's huge. There's no
		
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			it's it's very, very huge. And
because we're drilling balls right
		
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			now, we're busy. Adelaide is a
town that has virtually collapsed.
		
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			None of the municipality boards
are working. The only balls that
		
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			are working, they are literally
give us they're hoping to open
		
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			several more balls next week. You
know, we're busy right now
		
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			connecting balls. Many, many other
towns require balls. So balls is a
		
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			huge cost, and we need to do many
of that. That's part of our covid
		
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			19 intervention. What are water?
There is no cleanliness, no
		
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			hygiene, no sanitation, and of
course, there's no health. You
		
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			can't take medication, and without
water, the body will not survive.
		
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			The next big thing is
infrastructure. We've just
		
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			renovated. Last week, you've
covered it on your programs,
		
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			doctor's accommodation in visual
hospital, because we put up 120
		
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			bed covid 19 facility on site, but
with more beds, means more staff.
		
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			And this hospital didn't have
reasonable or decent
		
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			accommodation. And every time the
doctors came within 24 and 48
		
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			hours, they left because they want
to stay in the car. The kind of
		
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			accommodation. So on Monday, we
just opened up a new facility. We
		
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			look at opening up a second
facility so more doctors can stay
		
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			on site. Then a few weeks before
that, in just before Christmas, we
		
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			opened up two wards, high care
wards, what oxygen points in
		
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			Sultan Hospital in Makanda, and we
and earlier to that in August, we
		
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			set up a whole ward in Mitchell,
Spain hospital called the freezer
		
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			Ward, and it has a dedicated 60
bed covid 19 facility. What oxygen
		
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			points? We just added 18 more
oxygen points and the second wave,
		
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			it's a bit of huge use to the
Western Cape Province. We're
		
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			getting calls from other hospitals
right now, acquiring
		
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			infrastructure changes to make
themselves more safe, more clean.
		
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			So infrastructure is another big
thing. The need for PPEs is again.
		
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			The calls are coming from all
over, and all hospitals tell us
		
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			the same thing, we have nothing.
We need pulse oximeters. We need
		
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			clouds. We need thermometers.
We're doing that. Our biggest
		
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			project in the last three weeks
has been the delivery of CPAP
		
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			machines. CPAP machines are oxygen
machines that deliver oxygen at
		
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			low flow or intermediate flow,
between 10 liters and 30 liters,
		
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			and that has been an incredible
success throughout the country.
		
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			All medical people are kind
getting back to us and say, Where
		
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			was this machine? It's saving
lives. It's so easy to use. We're
		
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			opening more warts, putting more
patients on this machines, and
		
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			they don't use as much oxygen as
the high flow as much oxygen as
		
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			the high flow machines. But while
saying that, we're also rolling
		
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			out high flow machines, because
those are also life saving when
		
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			the CPAP doesn't work. And then,
of course, we've been giving scrap
		
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			suits. Those are the reusable
green jacket and pants that the
		
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			doctors wear. A lot of call for
that. And yesterday, we launched a
		
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			new project called hospital heroes
in the second wave. What has
		
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			touched the country and as what
has touched the medical profession
		
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			is the massive loss of life of
healthcare workers. We haven't
		
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			seen so many medical people die so
quickly in a day 810, in a day
		
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			around the country, and just to
honor them, to acknowledge them,
		
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			to encourage them, to motivate
them, to make them feel good. We
		
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			launched a project where we buy
simple stuff, stuff which they can
		
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			afford easily, a chocolate, a
bottle of water, a juice, a cake,
		
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			a co sister. But the impact that
it had starting off at Somerset
		
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			hospital yesterday was just too
huge. It's about emotional,
		
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			psychological support and
satisfaction and encouragement.
		
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			Sometime in the future, we
reported about a disagreement
		
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			talking about your water provision
interventions. We We reported
		
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			about a disagreement you were
having with the Makanda
		
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			municipality in terms of how you
are trying to help with water
		
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			provision there. How are you
finding your partnership with
		
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			government in this roll out of
covid 19 interventions have things
		
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			improved?
		
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			Look, it's a very strange
situation. You get guys inside
		
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			government, we're not happy with
what you drink, and you can guys
		
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			in the same department go over the
rule for what you are doing. It's
		
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			a it's a question of how systems
work, how they do their policy
		
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			and, you know, and personalities.
What is the same municipality you
		
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			would find some people, you know,
the problem is, to be blunt, is
		
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			people feel they've been shown up.
Because this kind of stuff should
		
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			have been by government, done by
government, and should have been
		
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			done a long time ago. I think
Makanda, you raised a very
		
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			important question. Makanda, the
mayor, called us three days ago
		
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			and he said, Look, I need to make
it clear we have no money. I said,
		
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			I know that from the beginning.
You know that's why we got
		
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			involved. But that's why, when we
spoke to you and your
		
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			municipality, you said you get
money from the National Disaster
		
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			Fund, which of course, never
happened. You.
		
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			And it was a 20 Rand project,
which they were supposed to pay
		
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			for, which we ended up paying for.
But we didn't mind, because the
		
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			people I need, and we still they
every single day, Monday to
		
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			Sunday, with the water tankers.
But coming back to him on on,
		
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			three days ago, I offered him some
time ago, I said, we will drill
		
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			seven boreholes in my neck. You
guys haven't used all those holes
		
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			now, the cars were no water. All
the balls are shutting it out, and
		
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			we can fill the dam with those
balls. So he said, Look, the
		
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			municipality will provide
electrical connections. Can you
		
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			reactivate all those balls? And
this morning, strangely, I send
		
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			the instruction to my geologists
and and the water team to go on
		
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			site to see if you can do that.
And we put three balls in the
		
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			university in Rhodes. If we add
all those 10 together, we can
		
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			provide a substantial amount of
water to the town. But to answer
		
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			your question, yes, we do have a
fantastic relationship with people
		
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			inside government. At ministerial
level, we got an excellent
		
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			relationship with Minister
Lindiwe. We have a relationship
		
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			with the municipalities. What the
councilors in between. Of course,
		
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			there's some people not happy with
what we do. But I mean, at the
		
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			end, when they see what we do,
everybody comes to the party
		
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			talking about that excellent
relationship you have with
		
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			Minister Sisulu. Are you using it
at all to empower local
		
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			communities? Because I'm thinking
it's all good and well to bring in
		
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			boreholes. But what about
teaching, whether municipal staff
		
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			or local communities how to build
a borehole from start, from
		
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			scratch, so they they can find a
way of sustaining these
		
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			measures that you're putting in
place to help
		
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			local communities cannot build
balls. It's impossible. They can't
		
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			do that. They can look after what
has been given to them. Even
		
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			municipalities, they have to look
after what's given to them. Let's
		
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			go to the process. You find a
site, 50 people call you. You miss
		
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			Valley, call you, say there's no
water here. Our geologists tell
		
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			hooks, Google and Google Map,
proper distance from even 1000
		
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			kilometers away, we can tell you
where the water is, you will come
		
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			there and then on come on
Saturday's potential. You will
		
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			come on site. You have on site
itself. There's different
		
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			processes to drill which
communities can't do this. Even
		
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			ordinary companies can't do this.
You need to know the type of rock.
		
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			You don't need to know where the
Fisher is. You don't need to know
		
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			where the crack in the rock is.
You know whether you need to know
		
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			whether you have to drill 30
meters, 65 meters, go beyond it or
		
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			stop. But the type of rocks that
come out, you need to know whether
		
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			they want to containing or not.
Water containing. You need to know
		
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			an electrical point. You need to
know whether you need to put it
		
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			ODEX or other type of plastic pen.
This is sheeting to protect the
		
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			Bohol so it doesn't collapse. Then
you're going to choose whether
		
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			you're putting electrical pump or
solar pump. And then the most
		
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			important of all this is how much
water does the aquifer have?
		
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			Communities cannot know that if
you take out more water than
		
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			aquifer have, that aquifer will
get destroyed, and the ball will
		
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			get destroyed, and noone will have
water. And sometimes you drill
		
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			within the same aquifer a few
meters away, I put in the second
		
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			bowl so you don't put too much of
pressure. So those are all the
		
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			kind of things you gotta look at.
The community has to be brought in
		
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			to say, Please, we don't want
vandalization. We don't want the
		
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			pumps destroyed. We don't want you
over pumping. We don't want to
		
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			stab in the JoJo tanks when the
water doesn't come out. We want
		
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			you to be patient when there's no
electrical supply. And now to
		
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			overcome that, we look at solar
pumps instead of electrical pumps
		
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			because of Eskom situation. So
those are all the different kind
		
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			of things you got to do. And
again, practically, in practice,
		
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			where we found the water was
running low and boats were being
		
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			over pumped by certain
municipalities, we actually went
		
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			back in and we reduced the flow of
the water and told them, we lock
		
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			in the pump. You cannot distribute
water more than the aquifer can
		
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			recharge and refill, will be a
disaster for the whole town in
		
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			weeks to come. Yeah. Noted, are
you able to give us some sort of a
		
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			year? Have you been able to
measure impact in terms of the
		
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			work you've been doing in the past
year, since lockdown five,
		
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			lockdown number five,
		
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			it's been massive. It's been
absolutely huge. We got 400 bowls
		
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			that we put up over the last two
years. Each one of them is
		
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			functional. Each one provides
water to between 1003 1000 people
		
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			a day. Multiplied it every day.
You know, for the whole lockdown
		
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			period, we have water tankers in
Malay Bedford, crafting it and
		
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			surrounding area when Karak is a
difficulty, when Abu Dhabi is a
		
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			difficulty, those which, those
water tankers go there, and they
		
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			have to neglect the towns that are
coming from, but it's an
		
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			emergency. That's 600,000 to
800,000 liters a week, Monday to
		
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			Sunday. We've assisted more than
200 hospitals and clinics with
		
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			PPEs. That means masks, freeze
pride. K 95 had yard gloves,
		
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			sanitizer, head cover, shoe cover,
provided over 8000 scrubs to
		
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			hospitals, reusable surgical
gowns, 1000s of pulp OXImeters and
		
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			non contact thermometers, visual
angopes, two and a half 1000.
		
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			CPAP machines, 76 high flow nasal
oxygen machines, and more coming
		
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			out this week, plus infrastructure
development for food parcel to
		
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			300,000 families countrywide each
day. Six people can eat for 30
		
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			days from the food parcel, 100
feeding centers. We put up 10
		
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			testing celic stations, three
mobile stations. And besides that,
		
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			we've done a lot of other things.
You started the conversation off
		
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			by sending condolences to the
mtebu family. Has gift of the
		
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			givers been impacted in any way by
covid 19?
		
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			Yes, we have the last few weeks.
Last week has been bad. One of our
		
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			staff lost his mother on Sunday,
the first well before that last
		
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			day, December, one of my staff
went to hospital for something
		
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			completely unrelated. Got positive
in the hospital. Didn't know was
		
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			positive, came home, but
fortunately, because we kept
		
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			everybody remote, we didn't want
our staff to talk to each other,
		
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			because if we were all staff gets
infected, the whole organization
		
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			can't function, and it's a crisis
time. We can't afford to shut
		
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			down. We've been working seven
days a week from the 15th of march
		
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			up till now. We haven't stopped in
December, no new year. So Shiva
		
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			and she infected. Husband will
also works with us, but
		
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			fortunately, after three weeks,
both of them recovered. On Sunday,
		
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			one of our staff lost his mother a
day later, one of our like you can
		
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			say, semi permanent volunteers,
lost his brother, his mother got
		
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			ill, and now he is ill with covid,
19 but you're recovering. And
		
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			yesterday, about two days ago, one
of our volunteers, you know,
		
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			needed desperately in the southern
Cape Town area, but he's gone in
		
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			fortunately, from a staff of about
90, those are the only
		
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			difficulties we've had.
Unfortunately, no family members
		
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			of the staff, besides what I've
mentioned, have been affected. So
		
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			the big conversation in South
Africa in this year is vaccine
		
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			rollout. Do you envisage the gift
of forgiveness will be part of
		
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			this process?
		
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			Many people have asked us that
question. You know, it depends if
		
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			government wants a partner to roll
it out. I've had medical schemes
		
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			calling me. I've had big companies
calling me. I've had individual
		
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			people calling me, doctors
associations calling me. But I
		
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			need to be quite frank about
certain issues. You know, first of
		
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			all, I'm a I'm not a scientist,
I'm not a virologist, and I'm not
		
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			a specialist on vaccines. But the
part that, what is the is that
		
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			these vaccines were developed
early, very early, when, when the
		
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			when the virus came was, was, you
know, came into the world, and I'm
		
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			not sure if the vaccines against
that virus is going to work
		
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			against the new strain. There's a
lot of discussion about it. Where
		
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			does it eat the same type of
protein on another side? Won't it
		
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			work? Or won't it work? Now a lot
of people are saying, let's take
		
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			it either way. It may reduce the
infectivity of the virus itself,
		
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			but we're not sure. Given, from
the government point of view, the
		
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			financial implication of bringing
60 million vaccines times two
		
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			doses at the cost we have to pay,
and we're not sure it's going to
		
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			work. Are we going to lose money
or something that's not going to
		
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			work. Can we have some kind of
surety, maybe a little more longer
		
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			waiting to make sure that the
money we're going to spend is
		
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			actually going to benefit the
population? I'm not against the
		
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			vaccine. I'm fully for it, because
the long term debt for the same
		
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			lives. But also, the problem with
that is, if it doesn't work,
		
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			people may have a false sense of
hope they are vaccinated, but are
		
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			they immunized? That's the
difference. They vaccinated, yes,
		
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			but have they got immunity? And
there's a possibility they don't
		
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			get immunity. They can make their
family members sick, and they can
		
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			make the patient sick, because the
frontline workers are the first
		
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			ones are going to get it. So are
we absolutely sure we have to have
		
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			that safeguard, and we have that
side rest rolling down, when the
		
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			cold chain? Can we ensure the coal
trade. What happens? Vaccines are
		
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			put in the fridge everywhere.
There's no generator, and Eskom
		
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			had short notice, says we got
stage four load shedding. What
		
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			happens to those vaccines? They're
not properly preserved, and they
		
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			don't have generators in those
hospitals. A lot of hospitals
		
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			don't have the equipment, they
don't have the infrastructure.
		
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			Then we have a system to make sure
that every person who gets his
		
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			first shot knows when to come back
for the second shot. Do we have a
		
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			system, an app or a record system
to make sure that there's there's
		
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			no duplication or nobody loses out
of the second shot? There's a lot
		
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			of things to consider, and if all
those things are in place, yes, we
		
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			can have we have a lot of
networks, lot of logistic
		
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			capability. We can help. But these
are the few things I would like to
		
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			say straight out first and a clear
answer before you know if we get
		
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			involved, as I said, we already
asked where many people get
		
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			involved. And the other thing I
think government should reconsider
		
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			is they shouldn't be the only
people buying the vaccine, because
		
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			you're talking about a herd
immunity of 40 million people.
		
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			Need to get herd immunity. Are you
going to get 40 million vaccines
		
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			in one month? No. So by the time
you get the vaccine for the other
		
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			39 million people, you people,
well, there's a chance for that
		
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			immunity. I should open it up to
people that afford it to bring it
		
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			in and start take medical aid
societies. They got six, 7 million
		
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			people on the record, and they
try, need no charge to their
		
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			members. Instantly, by bringing
the private sector in, you can
		
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			immunize.
		
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			7 million people, which would have
to get your target and sort of
		
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			take the cost of government. You
don't have the money. Why waste
		
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			time? Why don't you get the public
sector involved? It will benefit,
		
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			and then get the public sector to
say, Okay, we're very happy. We
		
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			thankful. We will fund 20% of the
population who are not on
		
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			medically and will give them free
vaccine. We can have a mutualistic
		
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			relationship with corporates and
the public get in, and there are
		
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			people will be able to pay for 10
or 15 vaccines each, and we can
		
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			use that collective bargaining to
get a vaccines quickly, to
		
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			immunize more people faster.
		
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			Solomon, you've been at the
coalface of the fight against
		
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			covid 19, and I know I'm asking
you to speculate here, but have
		
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			you been able to get just a sense
of the impact of the
		
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			reprioritisation of funding of
public hospitals and taking those
		
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			funds to the fight against covid
19. Have you seen the impact of
		
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			this activity? Yes,
		
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			this would have massive impact, if
I understand your question
		
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			correctly, money has been
diverted. Remember, if you look at
		
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			corporate CSI budget, the number
one target on the top is
		
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			education. That's number one.
Disasters are low down between you
		
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			know, they're not at the top. But
with covid 19, anyone has not
		
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			number one, it's low down the
list. But covid 19, there's been a
		
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			major shift of funding towards the
pandemic itself. And we need to
		
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			understand, in this case, it's not
about, you know, is it good for
		
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			our company? Is good to protect to
check the register or take the
		
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			register? We're doing it for
public image. It's not about
		
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			public image. People are scared
and people are scared anyone
		
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			because they've had personal
experience of people dying their
		
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			families and in the communities.
So corporate CSI managers, the
		
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			CEOs of the companies, the staff
and everybody else, wants to do
		
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			something that will prevent loss
of life and will prevent spread of
		
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			the virus, to spread some in your
family may be affected. So money
		
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			has been re prioritized towards
core funding. We've heard of
		
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			corporates that have renovated an
ICU, or they put up oxygen points
		
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			at a certain hospital, or they put
some beds somewhere else, or they
		
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			put up, you know, other companies
can put up field hospitals. People
		
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			have done done different things,
and use their budgets for that,
		
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			but while using their budget for
suicide, those are the same
		
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			companies that have made no
income. If you take the car
		
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			industry, the sale of cars from
30,000 units a month dropped to
		
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			3000 2000 units a month. What
happens to the income? So on the
		
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			one side, we got people wanting to
give CSI money, and on the second
		
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			side, they are not making
additional income to give
		
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			additional CSI money. And those
people who are having top jobs who
		
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			could contribute, many of them,
have now become recipients any
		
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			date, because if they collapse
overnight, and a lot of NGOs for
		
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			them, NGO is an income job
creation, and they have the people
		
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			at the same time. A lot of them
have folded because the cops have
		
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			decided they're only going to work
with one or two NGOs, not with
		
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			everybody, not because they don't
want to, but just they just can't
		
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			afford it. So overall, yes,
there's been a major, major knock
		
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			on effect in terms of job
creation, NGOs, companies, rep
		
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			financing, reprioritization,
prioritization of funding and
		
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			resources. Everything is diverted.
Covid, 19, we were giving further
		
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			to animals, and suddenly everybody
stopped. They can't give fodder.
		
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			There's no transport cost, there's
no money. The animals can't be
		
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			assisted. People come first. So
like that many what happened about
		
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			gender based violence? What
happened about all age homes? What
		
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			happened about homes with
disability? They don't they're
		
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			cool, they've they're collapsing.
There's no funding for all those
		
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			things.
		
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			Doctor Suman, let's commend you
once again for the amazing work
		
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			that you're doing, and you said
you're in boy since now, continue
		
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			to do the wonderful work that
you're doing. And thank you so
		
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			much for speaking to us today.
		
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			Thank you very much. Appreciate
it. Dr imtia Suleiman is the
		
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			founder of gift of the givers in
the last.