Hatem al-Haj – The Hanbali School Part 4 Sufism
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The speakers discuss the impact of " pestism" on one's actions, including the "we" concept and its impact on one's actions, including the "we" concept and its impact on one's actions. They also touch on disagreements between Muslim men and women, including the use of "entswork" methods and the " handyman" concept. The speakers emphasize the importance of practice and self considerance in achieving success in various fields, and emphasize the need to simplify and reduce the significance of symbolism in culture.
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You mentioned the Sufis. So I want to take this chance as a segue to
our final chapter,
which is Sufism in the humbly school. And I think that in daily
life so Wolf, and its meanings and its content, have a far greater
impact
than a lot of the things that we were talking about before.
For the scholar and the common Muslim.
Let's go into the Senate here and see where
does to solve how does it rise and, and to solve I mean, it's the
general meaning of inner directedness towards ALLAH,
Muhammad is a rock.
He defines it as that. So the word doesn't need to exist, certain
practices don't need to exist, it's merely the inner directedness
with one's intent in his actions towards Allah and nothing else.
And that's Mr. Muhammad czar rooks intention so I'd like you to speak
about to so with in the humbly heritage. And also I'd like you to
speak about its application to ourselves in our daily lives in
this context being that being in a world where
doubts or spread around and sometimes doubts are best combated
with vicar, not necessarily with knowledge, shall wet are thrown at
us sometimes the you know, Quran and they could also are a better
response to that. So, I'd like you to speak on that. Yeah. Well,
certainly, I believe that the islamic awakening and I am very
vocal about this within the circles that I'm active in and I
am active in a lot of circles because I don't believe in
protections.
But also I'm active in circles that are sort of hardcore Santa Fe
circles and I believe about how
deprived the discourse the Muslim discourse, the Islamic discourse
has become of that moisture.
And how dry it has become because of this aversion to the concept of
Sufism. tasawwuf and no matter how much you say that, and
I you have
talked about, you know, different stops in the Hanbury Mazda band
you mentioned Wahabism
before and my thoughts about this and honestly speaking
I don't believe I believe in sentences I don't believe in the
sort of swinging between thesis and antithesis I don't take strong
positions against three or four people I believe that reality is
rational I believe that certain development historical development
to happen to because
because they were meant to happen because the you know, because
there were efficient and sufficient causes for them to
happen so I believe that there is the action and reaction but my
synthesis
I don't call people who have is honestly speaking about the nature
of the strength of herbalism because this is where herbalism
has become
sort of or is perceived to be empty Sophie
the narrative the strand of herbalism first of all, this is
this is not basically
an illegitimate child of herbalism it is a legitimate child of
herbalism
so we're talking about this and either yesterday or before and we
said that
like someone like this that will have fun if not they're gonna have
for instance, here Elon from safe Abdullah Ibrahim apne safe who
learned from in Bali
you know their own from Abbey Mala by there is a lot of body so, you
know, there might be more I happen to have that back in Barney, who
died from his father and ignorable band that's why the, you know, the
knives the scholars like to teach accident
After Serato because it was written by Hon ban and that's fine
because it's loyalty to we are teachers
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he learned from the shower and he learned from him and he learned
from Neeraj up and he learned from him and he learned from imitating
me and Amir from Mohammed Okinawa, Homer from Dharma and dharma we
talked about you know, even in money coming in money, go back to
the you know, react will have a way Allah it has an homage etc You
know, after 100 100 Kilometer Lenin canal in Monrovia and
development. So, it is a legitimate child of humble ism.
But they have an what I believe sort of an
indefensible aversion to Sufism
or to some extent aggression towards Sufism, the departure is a
you know and and you know, the narrative these scholars are not
all one thing the there are different strands of not the
scholars. And believe me, there, there are many who are moderate,
maybe they are not particularly
famous or prominent, there are many who are moderate.
But you also have to understand that you know, whether you are not
the Egyptian, you are going to be different from Indonesian
scholars, for instance, the environment has an effect on
people.
But, but not the scholars and this sort of position against the
Sufism, I believe that is indefensible. I believe that if
there were, like, significant departures,
we're gonna want the names and attributes now.
I don't think that there was much of a departure there, sometimes
the way the presentation. I have a little issue with the
presentation, I dislike how some people present these issues and
how some people stress them and they the sort of unmetered
exposure of the masses to them. I disagree with this, but the in
terms of the powertrain doctrine is not that much.
But in terms of the, you know,
in terms of Santa Barbara Emanuel asthma, you know, email recovery,
there is a little bit of excessiveness and there is a
little bit of excessiveness in the in the sort of
their approach their approach, the better it is, ironically, not that
they mad approach at all, it is an exaggerated shot to the approach.
An exaggerated shot to be sure to be himself was a lot more strict
when it comes to Bill and siRNA than me they may have for instance
that's an exaggerated approach and then the other departure that has
been very consequential is that basically a position towards sofas
and this is a departure from the homebody tradition that has been
warmed a lot warmer to the soul.
And Allah accepting
a lot more, you know, accepting after some of the ranks of
honeyberries are full of so, you know, we consider like, who's
going to be more humbly than how do we MD Ronnie for instance.
Evidence I will see obviously, had his critique of our particular
channels he was not anti Sufi, it was a great like a great wildlife
and but he had had people of different backgrounds and
different orientations, they have their criticism of departures.
Whether these departures from the pure Sufism were because of the
esophageal Sufism
that because there are different sort of phases of the South, the
first phase of the software the pure to solve.
Then came the sort of the psychological facade of that
stress the you know, the
distress was, like the focus was moved from zero HUD, and advocates
and hijab and so on to the states and cycle psychology.
And then there was another development, which is the
philosophic of the South. And
people have different criticisms, and many times are warranted, but
what is unwarranted? And what is
harmful is basically I'll say, this about well, of a tradition
that is so integral to his now.
Because that has escaped has come to be known as the science of the
soul or the past.
So we guarantee do away with
in the humbly framework is to so have a personal practice, or does
it have any communal element to it?
As it's developed the Mejlis a vicar has become one of the main
focal points of
the practice of to Soloff for many communities, and its benefits are
sort of visible you see people who would not regularly do a certain
of God and Decker
by themselves, but when presented with a group and then maybe some
socialization afterwards and some food have come to easily practice
it, leading them in their homes to slowly do this themselves.
Is there any precedent for this and the humbly school
in fact, to me, others talk about metathesis
approvingly
as like to be in unison or Casa Ed and of God and those in use in
unison? In unison, as is the the issue here and people can agree or
disagree over this, but madalas to sit down together and make thick
if you add in unison, that is when
this agreement starts, yeah. But but there, you know, honestly,
speaking,
I do not believe that this is a better personally, or, you know,
this is a fapy disagreement, of course, yeah. Wow, how could the
disagreement, and that is where we have to draw the line. This is
not, you know, haccombe bottom, this is not it's not even with our
son, it is just the flippy disagreement.
And different people from different Mesabi backgrounds, they
may have different thoughts about this. I personally don't believe
that this is I believe in the superiority of that horrible
Rebecca Donahoe Fiona judgment and probably but whether we are
so in that the the assertive the individual, the person of the
individual
one
or you know, Jeremiah, My Allah azza wa jal,
this is all together and this with Allah subhanaw taala. I believe
that this is superior, but I believe that there when people
come together and set together this is established from the
Sahaba no one can argue about this, that to have motherless Vic.
The only thing is that in unison, like if we all make Vectren, we
all remind each other of Allah and we will make this be Hunter lead
and so on.
If you add any unison, then we can disagree. And we can say that,
okay, this is a valid fapy disagreement. I believe it's not a
problem. I personally believe it's not a problem, if you believe it
is.
Okay, it's about a subpoena.
And the reason that I bring it up is that while on the on the totem
pole of knowledge, it will, as you said, it's a 50 matter. That is on
that the pivots on that Eunice unicity or the Unison of the
voice, but
in community life, it sticks out. Right, it sticks out and it's
impact and effect and that's why I bring it up. Sometimes the thing
is really a non issue and FIP but amongst the common Muslim, it
becomes a big deal. Because of either their shock at it exactly
either at the shock of seeing it or the benefit of the
you know, the
The benefit of, of its fruits. So even though we would say that,
yes, on a fifth key matter, we have no problem either way with
the positions. And we have this too in the Maliki that they do
there are Medicare that could say, No, we don't do this, right. And
so it's a fifth key matter, but but on some Sophie's, by the way,
there are some that do the single Yes, that's true. And they don't
like the nuts of India is famous for not accepting the loud of God.
But the and even there are some total
from the subcontinent that do not even have a molded. Okay, so there
are geographical elements as well. But the reason I bring it up is
because it's one of those matters, that is,
in the books, it would be fun, right? But in the reality of
community life, and personal lives, people's personal lives, it
becomes a big deal. Right. And it's one of those interesting
matters that is inverted, in terms of its reality in the books versus
its reality, in actual real life that we live in. That's why I
brought up that subject. And I think that,
you know, it's, it's, I think it's one of the things that people
should become educated on. Because I think many times people, when
they're exposed to something that they haven't ever seen before get
a great shock.
And their shock of that translates to them that this is, we don't
even know if you're on Edison anymore. Right? And so that's
sometimes and that that produces and
imbalanced response, which is books this big, to defend a masala
that really did not need more than, you know, one or two pages.
So that's one of the issues into between self and alien that I
think was important just to bring up at least, for the sake of
bringing it up. But also speak to us about the impact of shareholder
capital J. Lani
in the humbly school and has his order. And I don't know if it was
an tariqa with a bay in his time, I don't know that if it maybe his
sons I believe, initiated that his children as jaded that.
Could you speak to us on the concept of or of that, since since
we're talking about this? I've mentioned yesterday that shave off
none of them are Zuko came to Egypt, to try to make a link
between him and Allah.
Actually, I was thinking about this, like, a long time ago, and I
was trying to make a link between him and we are also here. So I
made a mistake yesterday, when I'm talking about it, it's actually a
wireless server, you're not aware, it could be
that I can't establish the link, but I was saying that most likely,
they have come to see each other and to know each other. But chef
has never been more reserved. You know, his basically hand belly
impact on Egypt did not last. It was Muhammad Ibrahim is a mahogany
who was humbly
in fact, last chef of the Father and His children are out of color.
You know, it's so funny. Oh, yeah, we the companies and not companies
recognize them as funny nobody actually validates it now, the
salon talks about you know, people's karamat having been
reported to him through Secondary ports, except for a circuit the
father has got an address established through the router at
least
says that, so, sick of the color does have a an impact on
on. So, we are on the course of the South. We know that civil law
had an impact also on honeyberries because he is combat email as I
say read the commentary modality said again, you know,
Muhammad, Allah
owes much to Sephora and he keeps a you know, keeps on saying how
much he owes to me and alive people in the Sophie pass oh a
lot. Already.
Must should have the cutters effect may have been stronger and
greater and sometimes, you know, it is not because one person is
less or inferior but also your location makes a difference and
the time makes a difference is so sick of the cutter was in Baghdad
during the time where, you know handbell ism was blossoming in
Baghdad, you know, close to the end, but still it was stronger
blossoming.
So contemporaries, likeable Fabian man he was his contemporary ninja
was he was contemporary he learned from,
you know,
also a summary was his contemporary in Baghdad and all of
the people who came to visit
Baghdad came to know shall have the Catherine, like I said
yesterday that in
the trough of undergrad in Makdessi, they spent the first 40
days of their
time in Baghdad. With us, you have the father,
hosted by chef of the Father.
And the day basically
took Hanbury way from a chef of the cover, you can't really
separate and I understand that there is like the Sophie
tarjetas, and the
that have their own centers, but sometimes your your Flipkens to
sort of get mixed together and for some other partner it it was mixed
together.
Now
had the oven in Nebraska, he basically mentioned that his son
had to wash another product through
me or him Allah. And
so that comes the same salad that we talked about yesterday. In
fact, the use of not that how do you come late later, you know, die
the 909.
But what we take the salad through time through m&a Mayor through the
Omer through Kodama and then from shatter Tada. Now everyone who
came to WR during this time, and we said that the people who came
to her that during this time they took this off the sham and Hara.
And then the talk I'm humbled as intuition and Hassan.
And from Hashem to Egypt, and certainly people
to share have the father's way, whether they they subscribe to the
Tariqa or not chef as a father had effect on either Jamberries and
the non crowded parties in terms of organized to solve versus
non organized for some.
But most of the families are of the non organized, sort of, at
least for the contemporaries, and certainly, because most of the
barriers and eat now
are not the there is this? Yeah.
It's an interesting point, actually, that they've been CEDAM
as a group brings up
in his book on colada to solve, he says something very interesting.
He said, The Sufi alone is the best. Right? He's at his best.
However, when they get together, they stop forbidding wrong, right?
Because there's so there's so much love in the gatherings, and no one
wants to ruin the momentum right by and ruin the mood, the MS edge
by forbidding wrong. So it's very interesting that he says that how
there is organized to solve and there is solitary to solve and how
he says that they're at their best when they're individuals as costs
scattered around, right and interacting with the other emza of
the Muslims. The other massage or massage is like the vibrance
vibrations almost or the moods of the Muslims. As opposed to when
it's a group of people all being Sufis. He said he has a hesitation
there because they tend to not want to upset that vibration or
mood and therefore will not forbid the wrong and so many Hmong karats
come into their circles and nobody says anything. So this is the
member. So when you mentioned organized and non organized, it
reminded me of that point by Amazon group, which is very
interesting point. Now, you also mentioned the SN need I, I want to
I want to move on to a conclusion if you don't have anything more to
say about to solve I think you know, how can we implement that in
our daily lives is a different topic than to solve in the history
of the company or school our focus in this podcast has been the
hamady school and its history.
So, but if you do have any final comments on to sell off in
general, I think that you know we cannot afford that
simply to ignore the part of our tradition and that hurt. I think
that this praise of the sloth by some of our greater Imams like a
Shafi and so on,
we have to be aware that that criticism of certain Sufi
practices or certain
Sufi
individuals, we have to have that criticism of Sophie's, we have
criticism for her and criticism of the scene and criticism of
everyone. So, that we maintain the purity of the path and the purity
of the practice. So, and this basically self critique is very
important for anyone who wants to practice the self must practice
self critique, and must be aware of the commodity sell off by
sector.
Because there is much to learn from cloud to solve by him.
And, you know, emphasis on basically the Surrey era is
important emphasis on clarity versus symbolism, because, you
know, symbolism lead, although, you know, aphorisms are beautiful,
but certainly excessive excessiveness and symbolism
without clarity can be
can have its impact and can be detrimental. So, you will find
that how do we for instance, liking boosts either for us
because of his linguistic openness and favoring him over engineered
for instance, I like him tonight more. I like simplicity, more and
straightforward, straightforwardness, more, it's
part of Islam, you know, purity, transparency, simplicity, as part
of Islam. So I think emphasis on this emphasis on the first
generation has the model emphasis on nonverbal maruf and Moncure.
Emphasis also on, you know, similar versus better.
You know, the fact that some people exaggerate in,
in basically
our sort of
exaggerate in the scope of bedarra.
Trip math basically, make us negligent of
the Hadith of the Prophet sallallahu, wasallam
embracement of a word,
you really, we really need to pay attention to that. Imagine if the
Sahaba were not vigilant about that. Imagine if there was like a
little bit of departure at the time of the Sahaba from mainstream
because when you start to add things and change things, like a
lot of the parser at the beginning can result in enormous departure
now. Yeah, and, you know, we wouldn't have not been able to
facilitate to recognize each other's practices.
The distance between us would have been like the distance between
different denominations and other
religious traditions. So I think about with emphasis on these
things, we can avail ourselves of that essential.
I agree with that. I think the matter should become simplified.
The symbolism oftentimes bothers I know, it bothers me whenever I see
any group really starting to look separate from the OMA or starting
to focus on superficialis right of the matter, actually, it obstructs
the soul of itself right the soul of itself is something that you
almost want to be more hidden about your right bad debt and your
thicker to then be visible with it and in a certain sense, all right,
it is what many people's Hakka resume and Arza
the Sufism of realities the Sufism of ritualism and the Sufism of
gains material gains are well, that was definitely what many in
Mauritania were fighting against and said that it has simply become
a a profession and an a way to gain a lot of a lot of game gains.
So it's getting late, but let's go to the two points of the
conclusion very simple conclusion the first simple