Hatem al-Haj – The Hanbali School Part 1 History & Sanad
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The Safina Society covers various topics including the importance of learning in Egypt and its cultural significance, the use of MATA Amador in political and media, the history of the death of various people in the Hanbury period, and the loss of a former chef and the impact of the digital age on people's perception of Islam. The discussion touches on the loss of a former chef and the loss of a former chef in the 10th century, as well as the loss of a former chef and the impact of the digital age on people's perception of Islam.
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you who are more casually dabbling into Islamic podcasts and blogs
and websites and whatnot may not have heard of Dr. Hudson hedge.
But well, today you will. And today's topic will after
discussing some of his own personal background and past. Our
topic is the humbly MELHEM. Dr. headsman hedge is an author, and
he's a scholar, he's a medical doctor as well. But being that he
is an author and a scholar, he this podcast will take on the form
of a book. And this chapter one will be the founder of the humbly
method, his time and context and personality and his stories, then
we're going to go to the technical details of his lawsuit and how
they differed in comparison to the three schools before him. Chapter
Three will be the Senate. As you all know, a meth lab is not just a
set of ideas. It's a lived tradition, generation after
generation until today, and only four of these schools still exist
that that have not died out. Generation after generation has
been passed on and been practiced in the community. We're going to
talk about what a lot of you want to hear about and even some of you
are gonna get upset at me. Because predominantly not predominantly
stuffiness it is like a declared sad, own metal odd institution.
And you're gonna say why do you have an other am Baba, but you're
going to see why because here in America, we're not the same as
some other countries were at each other's necks, we actually are
trying to make to live in peace, and we are living in peace. And
Dr. Hudson Village in New Jersey is one of the really tri state
area and maybe America
entirety entirely. So one of the forces of bringing the civility
and even muhabba to the discourse, so we're not at each other's necks
at all. And when you Alexei like somebody, you want to find a
reason why you actually don't really disagree that much right
when you liked them because they treat you well. Then we're going
to look at the fifth and the to solve and I'm going to build my
roof when he ended monka. Right, which is very important that I'm
going to get him out of when I got in the end. Of course it's a so of
element you might be surprised that there is also an element in
the comedy School Of course there is an even doctor had some
teachers some of the books have what we would call a hit to sell
off in his masjid, which is a masjid in Welly, which is a good
name to have. Okay, so doctor had some hedge personally, he's from
Egypt, studied extensively in Egypt. And let's turn it over to
you. So you could tell us a little bit about your studies in Egypt.
First of all, welcome to the Safina Saudi podcast, it's an
honor for us to have you. And let's get straight to your
background in Egypt, who you had studied with and how did you was
is are you coming from a family of knowledge? Or is this something
that you brought to the family and something new?
Because I can look for the introduction and the kind remarks
smuggled from the last last summer so a lot earlier.
So my mother had
no I don't come from a family of knowledge in Egypt. My grandfather
was, to a great extent knowledgeable. He was at the army,
like a graduate of Dharwad human Egypt. He was not an SRE.
His basically main strength was in Arabic.
However, his children did not
particularly the pursue Islamic Studies, or even Arabic studies,
all of them. They pursued more secondary studies and my father
was an Army officer.
It hadn't.
He
was not particularly known for his knowledge. In fact,
growing up and this is not to detract from my father or
anything, but I was the one
who convinced my father of many things.
And this is in Cairo. But I was born in Cairo, we moved when I was
only three months of age to Alexandria. Because my father was
an Army officer, he used to move all the time from place to place.
So we moved to Alexandria when I was three months old, and then I
lived all my life and Alexandria. So I am from Alexandria, and then
what made you start pursuing since you don't come from a student's
family of knowledge, there's sometimes something similar to a
conversion, people sort of getting a flip a switch flip, becoming
interested in knowledge, and they get a bath that just drives them.
Tell us what your what made what moved, you just start studying. So
like, you know, I lived in Alexandria, but my grandfather
moved back my grandfather was like,
you know, like a teacher and he taught Arabic and
he basically ascended up the ladder and his profession and but
after he retired, he moved back to the village in Ohio, which is, you
know, a governor in Egypt.
So, you know, Chabaud name of the village, I used to visit my
grandfather in the summer. And my grandfather was particularly
religious.
You know, many of his children were not particularly not
religious, but my grandfather was particularly particularly
religious. And they would even wait for him there was a minister
across the street from his, his house, and they would wait for
him, they would never make the appointment without him being
present. And he and he would take me with him that that is very
early on in my life.
I have liked that atmosphere. I was missing that atmosphere where
you know, in Alexandria,
so when I was and then in Alexandria, I started to basically
see people in white robes, that is when basically Salafism was
growing
in cannot perceive the world. And I started to see people with big
beards and white robes and
also sort of like white
head gear, whatever they wore. And it just, you know, being that was
different from the rest of the environment Alexandra.
I became attracted to them.
And
I started to follow them and go pray
at the masjid where you know, the majority of those people with the
white robes and sort of the white attire I used to pray and they
used to call it master the sun the year our masters sunnier depending
on people. So
we started at age nine, and then I I never quit. Thereafter. I you
know, my relationship with Islam was through my grandfather and
you know, other family members. Yeah. But when I was
nine years of age, I started to go to that masjid. And I started to
hold the sort of generic prayers and thoughts mastered, and they
had a great deal of put a great deal of emphasis on
basically teaching.
I became attracted to that as well. Who were some of the
prominent leaders and she of that, that center, you know, it was not
in that particular center that you'll hear like prominent leaders
and students, you but
there were, you know, nearby, we used to move around and we used to
visit other centers, not particularly sensor does not have
very prominent teachers or CEO.
But when we visited other centers, we would go to Ansara son, like
secularism in and others and we would go to what is called
madrasa, Santa Fe at the time now became cold it is now at our Santa
Fe, and Sheikh Mohammed smilin Condon
was, you know, what's the one of the most prominent figures. And in
fact, a smart urbanism problem
is the one who introduced the Shafi school to us. Because he
believed that if I shall be studied, according to a math hat.
So after, you know, I studied some of the study, I'm a native avatar
with different people
from homogenous mine condom told this, these are not fetlocks it's
good that you studied those books. But these are not FERPA books.
And then, so he basically told us, well, we'll take this one if I had
fer Shafee book. Let's start from here. At the time, it was about 19
years. And that's the first time I basically got introduced to a,
like a flip book.
And so that, so it's fair to say that you started off studying chef
a FIP did that continue? Or did you eventually
study a different fit? Honestly, speaking, I was 18 or 19, when
when I started the study to have a pro, but
up until 23.
I was sort of Shafi only when I became hungry also when I decided
that you know just have to choose the chosen.
Okay, so in that time, even though these masajid were called a Sona
or a Sephia, but there was a teaching they weren't teaching
them or that they were teaching them
not all of them certainly the because there are different sort
of types
of salaries. So not all of them some were more committed to you
know, like teaching I prefer him. So I'm going to say nominated
author and books of that nature, which are great books I you know,
but they're just not
factual books. They are Hadith books.
But but, you know, I joined the barbell for con when I was 18. And
Sheikh Mohammed smile was one of the people who taught at my other
for con, and the first batch that joined the market for that time in
Alexandria,
Sheikh Mohammed, m&s my introduced the book to us and told us that,
you know,
it's fine, if you want to continue to have respect for evidence and
Hadith and so on and so forth. But you do need to study for from
books. You know, if someone was to tell me in the medical method, we
could say if you study the ash, MOEA and Alconbury and Benatia,
that's your beginners level. You then can study this additive,
navvies aid or you can go to a club and Masonic and then you
finish with clean water clean. And that's the mountaintop and the
final coal and it goes into all the different qualifiers and
details that are needed in the house and the to to hatch and how
she covered so it's pretty simple list obviously not simple to
cover, but it's a simple list of what's the three or four levels of
this method. Can you tell us in a nutshell a 60 seconds what are the
titles and what's the list the the ladder of the hen bunny method?
Kodama Cossart forte books, no more fuck Rahim Allah Tala, the
great Imam, safe and
hazard for books. They are considered sort of four different
levels. along there is the first one doesn't have any sort of
very entry ports, or possessions. It only has one possession. That's
an order and then you will have an MOQ now, which is the next level.
You mentioned, more than one report, but not too many.
And
Also it doesn't have
that lead or thirdly, it doesn't have the evidence which is housed
the rulings. And then he wrote on Kaffee, which is the third level
and it does have some leave entirely. And then he wrote a
nominee which is a comparative factual book that is not only
ours, although it has a
an obvious humbly leaning, but it is considered a comparative matter
book. It is a book that is highly prized by scholars of home as you
know what it is that Saddam said about this popular denominates
Rahim Allah Allah said that I did not, you know, find that
I did not feel comfortable given fat until I own the a copy of a
nominee and he consider that within Hamlet to be the greatest
books ever written.
So, these are four different levels, but honestly speaking,
that is at the moment of Pajama belongs to a moto Serophene which
was the intermediate layer and another we have the earlier
scholars and then the middle layer and then the latter scholars of
the month hub
for the louder scholars of the math hub, in the books that they
advise people that start with what would not be those books about way
usually, it is added stuck now or the real problem is Adam stuck now
was written by her we Rahim Allah Allah who died in the year 968
After the Hijrah, and
I will use only the history calendar people. The students of
knowledge showed us the history calendar, those who cannot relate
to it, they can roughly at 600 years and they'll not be too far
away. So Hijjah who died in the year 960, after the hitter in Abu
Kodama died in 620, after the Hydra of the Prophet salallahu
Salam, and how can we buy it in the Hijiri years 968 year olds
other non stop now and he wrote a book called apna
which is not a book that the students monitor advice to go to,
but it is a very important book and we may come to it when we if
you if you ask me about, you know, how do you figure out the
authorized position in the method we may come to it later.
But Saturn was stuck now by the moment had jelly or the pilot. And
the pilot was threatened by CMR even useful Carmi who died in the
year 1033 Hijri.
These are books that people usually advise the beginners to
start with, I personally and some others feel that along the way,
if you are able because it is very
lucid, and like the language of it is very simple language.
Some still prefer Shalonda for the beginners along with basically
like some harsh AR or marginality or footnotes and side notes to
point out the positions of Iran that
are not necessarily adopted as the MATA Amador the authorized
position in the mouth. And in my book, I basically pointed out all
of them
they are about 120 some
sessions.
Okay, and then so those are the beginner books and what did you
say is the what is the motorcycle of the humbly madam. Did you say
it was it's still no Kodama
because it is a little bit different although there are a lot
of similarities between the Maliki and Hanbali malherbe because the
asthma or the some of us have
passed,
events have known and you will not be that they brought all of this
together for a mathematical find a same process they can place also
you will find the Messiah and
poverty mama
written by his two children
Salah and Abdullah and cow search and Gouda wood and if Nihan and
Heartbreaker, Manny and others
then came
back
and brought all of this together into one
book, which, you know, unfortunately we don't have all of
that but you know the earlier combat scholars had it 111
benefited from it.
But but but that became sort of the main book of the mouth hub and
then came over lammer fella lands boy Phyllis student that is a
backdrop that Aziz and the therapy and each one of them wrote books,
the most famous one is posture and therapy therapy died and 334
and Wynonna fella died in 363 and then himself died in 311 So,
called ferati
and Abubakar gramaphone lab,
they distilled the the madhhab
and Philippi became more famous and it became like
so currently to us is maybe like a beside like a pack of heat for the
HANA fees. Like in most any for the chef lays on chef is have a
little bit it's a little different for them. Because you know the
chef he himself wrote his Madhab
karate to us is making money in the Shafi Northrup so Philippi
became the basically the the sort of the object of Hanbury care and
attention and until
Kodama came around and wrote al Machina, which became the most
sort of important book in the Messiah, everything that came
after the look now is dependent on the mock now to some extent
you could you could say that, you know, that app now
let's say that a mock now was the basically the main book
aftermath of after alpha therapy.
And no one would disagree about the central importance of in mock
now in the Hanbury Meza later people can talk about you know,
different books and different material and we have
an era that and a canal, these two books are extremely important.
You know, one that was written by an Egyptian scholar called for to
hear eminent
who died in 1972, after the Hedra. And the appnana was written by El
Hijo II that I mentioned before he wrote also his other mustache now
that these two books are like if you ask him about his How do you
figure out the authorized position in the north hub, they'll tell
you, if Montana era data and apna agree that is the price position,
if they this agree, if one of them mentions a position and the other
one basically does not address it, then certainly that that is the
position and another, but if they both mentioned it, and they come
to disagree, too, then we have two different schools. So, some people
will say take Montana era that over a canal, some people will
say, No, let us find some other way
to figure this out. Some will say take chef merrily Academy's 30 Or
basically, whatever sigma i favor in his book of Hyatt and one Taha
in which he brought Monahan and QNAP together
and that would be the the Mahatama of the Messiah. Some will say go
back to and mark the lie when Messiah or lemon Martha we would
either in 85 after the Hijrah and take what he said in Kenya, for
instance, which is based on an Mokena so
What I was talking about in locker now and I branched off to talk
about an entire era debt and app now, as the two books for the
latter homebodies quarters that are most important so that I can
go back and say that
era that is called the maternal era that from Jama binatang people
not while machina was Jada Montana era that is a book that brought
together
by America we and I'll mock now by eminent Kodama and as far as some
other additions like extra, you know, additions, but at 10 T by a
murder we is basically the time t of a mock now, it is a based on a
mock now,
and that is
the the other book that is extremely important also, which we
said that UK now as the other one
and a half was based on let us say mainly on an old stereotype about
by Sam Murray,
who died about 616 after Hitler in Baghdad one of you know, the
later combat scholars in Baghdad because the mouth had left about
that after you know afterwards.
But that book, almost hour and a half anything media that is the
grandfather that is much the theme of this salaam Abdullah Abdullah
Abdullah Mohammed Abdullah Mohammed Potamia
those two books
are basically the foundation of
the foundation of economics.
That is why if if you go back you will
you will find that the what are the two shakes that were called as
a con the two shakes and of the madhhab among them with our city
in the middle layer of the mishap.
And Wafaa Abner Kodama and can match up the salam, Agni, they may
have the grandfather.
They're sort of their contributions lasted up until
today. And Merbau is, you know, for the multiplicity in the did
not say, if Amanda Hannah and I agree. That's the position for
Moodle. You know, in America, we said, you know, people in our
times how were dependent murdery is the beginning. The other
generation of honeyberries are the last generation of cranberries
that continues until now.
When he's talking about basically, people before him that he's
talking about them with also theme for the matassa T and when Edna
pajama, and they may have
agreed on a position that was
that's the position. Okay, so what I'm getting from this is that the
method begins in Iraq.
The
OMA hats are brought together by Abu Bakar Khalil gula melaka Lal
en el karate, and moto Sorrell karate, can you say it is gem and
omad or Kalasa Illuma hurt the Almohads just for the listeners
out there means the mother books of the method. So
the imam in which to head mm, he fathers this school of thought,
but he does often times doesn't write everything down. And
therefore his students and the second generation they have they
write things down. And then somebody comes and he gathers all
of this together. We have for example, we don't want it soon. We
are in thematic method. There's a sad there's an de Lucia there was
an OTB and there are other books in Iraq and elsewhere. And in the
Hanafi Shafi same thing, so here you have the students, they
disseminate and then someone takes like a comb or a funnel.
And he gathers all of this into one book and you said that was
mocked up a pretty pretty much is one of the best that that the
somebody scholars begin their work around matassa Would that be
correct to say?
Because somebody is called has its own peculiarities also, to a great
extent.
You know, sort of
person who collected everything would be in color. And then the,
you know, move closer and ferati is a summary of this in the form
of a Makena. But it has like 2300 myself, you know different for P
issues 2300 Now Montagnard era that has 10,000 and now has a
little bit more than 10,000. So matassa t is not comprehensive. In
addition to this, as in all them as a habit, there are many
positions in Philippi, which are not important in an Meza.
So, like, can we rely on Mufasa and Philippi? Alone? Of course,
okay.
Okay, but it is the, the main one of the big starting points, and it
happens in Iraq. Now, we may be parting from our little chapter as
a nation, but that's fine, because it's a conversation, not a book
and conversations are held by humans. And humans have a flow,
and wherever there's a fats from Allah just go there. And so we may
have a
break from our chapter isolation, which is not a problem.
The meth hub, you said the multiplicity of no Kodama, and
it's a meal, you do call him Imitate me a jet the same way we
call him the rostral jet elements. Okay. Now, imagine, if I'm not
mistaken, they're both from Shem. So it seems now the method is in
Syria, not in Iraq. And how did that historically, how did that
shift occur historically? So to give you like, like a few pointers
about the Senate of the month, let's talk about Edna Abby, Allah,
or I'm sorry, this talk about Abuja. We
was born in three ad and died in 458 380 and died and 458 Why, why,
why is that?
He is a watershed figure in the Hanbury Messiah, because he is the
beginning of the matassa teen and his teacher was the end of the
earlier scholars and Hassan Mohammed, who died in 403. After
the hedger was the end of the earlier scholars or the air that
currently to generation are the first generation
and so
that you might not have died in 214 when after the Hijrah
we had a jamaa
you know the mama mad people a lot of people have reported from
Alabama gonna let people were the students of Lima, Muhammad about
this, you know, mentioned 500, they actually named more than 133
of them are more popular, more significant. Among the 33 we have
seven people that are COVID Chimera. So when we say this is
reported by the man we do not mean in Omaha, as the scholars of
Hadith. Meanwhile, Jamia we mean by jamaa
Abdullah that children every Mama Mama
Rahima home letter Mian and
humble
and that's the cousin of Lima mud and we have then three others that
is Emoni Kapoor Talib and Ibrahim harbi. So,
no wait a second, we have Abdullah Han the sila and we said Hanbang
that is three and up for our backend Maru is the certainly is
the fourth and then Abu Talib and in my Mooney and Ibrahim al-harbi
would be seven okay.
Well what can my Rosie is more important here because you know,
like more central in the Senate, Abu Bakr grandma Ruthie Rahim
Allah was the teacher of alpha Allah, the main teacher of alpha
lead. So if Allah learned from Abu Bakr in Marathi, as well as other
scholars of
the month have been in that layer, and then it allowed died in 311.
and by the age of 78, just like Abubaker and Rosie who died also
at the age of 78, just like the mama who died also at the age of
78. Yeah
who learned from a fella Abu Bakr, Abdulaziz Willamette collab or
finance alkalines boy or student,
and he died. He was actually young. But he was brilliant. So
even in her lab would listen to, to him. He died in 363 after the
Hedra. So he died 52 years after his teacher calcula
at the age of 78, as well Subhan Allah, how old are you shift we
have to ask, I mean, where are we going out? How long is this chain
of 78? Go? That's
because we are Allah. You know, I told you 382 58 Yeah, that is 78.
Unbelievable. That's really unbelievable.
That's really so if you die at 78 You're a real wealth of the humbly
method if you're a humbly scholar, that should be Allama. A stamp.
Bushra.
Savant Allah? Yeah, I tried to figure out if it hasn't had
Muhammad in the circle, Muhammad died, you know, in four or three
after the Hedra. The year he was born is not clear. So but maybe he
also made it. So then what is what we have not left the bucket out,
by the way, we're going to be in Baghdad for quite some time. We're
going to be in Baghdad for 400 years.
This is what we have then.
From there, thanks from
you know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, we have whatever colorable background
and Aziz now Abu Bakr, Abdul Aziz Biden, 360s. Three.
He had the he was the main teacher of enhancement of Muhammad, Al
Hassan. Muhammad is a very central in the embodiment of
the formulation of the hungry mouth hub, sees the foundation of
the hungry mouth depends to a great extent on Hassan, Mohammed
even to understand the vernacular of an email map from A to E that
has been hammered. He wrote that he wrote several books.
You know, you can't call them a soul books, you know, maybe the
first one to write a real posole book and the Hanbury Martha, but
to some extent that they haven't saw the sort of flavor or
inclination, but you're not mad because of his water because of
his crop velocity and has extreme poverty
and has what I call epistemic humility. He would not his his,
his vernacular was very difficult to decipher if he would be asked
the question and then he had like 74, five or six different answers
that are difficult to decipher and you that's why you need the
scholars of the math hub to to basically help in this respect. So
Ally, RJ Barney, I don't like it core, you know, doesn't appeal to
me. Last question or I don't favor that law as there is no harm
five oh, they did that. Mass I'm never to be I have not heard that.
Accra who?
I dislike that. La Isla de I don't dare talk about that.
Like so many so many different sorts of terms that Mr. Smith used
so
hasn't been handled was very, basically centering the mother
because he's one of the people who would decide that or, you know,
that they were out of demand Muhammad, you know, Abuja Allah.
In one
go gathered about 13 different issues about Which Imam Muhammad
had 10 Different possessions about each one of them.
So there hasn't been a hammer decided, you know, certainly and
it's certainly like a solo decision. But but it hasn't been
hammered, articulated this, that we will keep all the way out of an
email. And we will not basically dismiss any one of them until the
Imam explicitly dismissed that. But whatever Well, we will have
from Him, we will not dismiss them. And we will not depend only
on chronology. We'll just keep them away after email. And then he
would say that when it Imam Ahmed says, layer or Giovanni or UCLA
who this means that this and then they would have like, their
disagreements also among themselves about the
interpretation of the different
terms of the Imam. So it has certainly been Hamad was the end
of that of the earlier scholars. So this is Maha, you could say
that this is the phase or, or a foundation of the mass hub.
Then came up we are aware Allah came after a person habit. Direct
Student direct. Yes. 380. Was born we Ireland.
Yes.
So it hasn't been hammered for over three.
Now only so you could say that he was only 23 years old when it
hasn't been a Hammett. When they asked that hasn't been hammered.
Who should be teaching after you? He said that he got fatter? That
young man.
So I was already very prominent at before and hasn't he was going, he
was going to heart and that's when they asked him you know, you know
how, during their time, it was not necessarily, you know, sometimes
it was a perilous journey.
So, they will ask him, you know, who should be teaching or whom
should we listen to or something like this and then he referred
them to our yada. So we then became the first one who you know,
was called chef and Meza.
And then
from 380 to 458, i Boy Hannah live and avoid
the students of Abuja, Allah, our Abernathy, who died in 513. So
habit for noon, so, good habit for noon.
And he is, you know, like a major major figure because it's habit
for noon come you know, what, what may be the biggest book ever
written. And the Islamic literature it was 150 volumes,
maybe the phenomenon by Mahaffey.
He was a prolific writer like Adnan, Josie, him and Josie, the
two were extremely prolific writers, even a Jonesy may be the
most prolific writer in our history. 500 Plus books 66 of them
are published 160 plus of them manuscripts of our existence as
manuscripts and the other ones we don't know about them. But how we
are Allah,
you know, taught was the teacher of Abner appeal Titan 513.
And a very important figure in the Meza because the son of the math
goes through him
catawissa Annie Apple Hapa.
My fourth girl was Ernie. And then you have some other figures that
may not be as famous but they are very important to that learn from
Abuja, Allah as well. We have
we have
Edna djellaba, who became aware as appointee or
because we all I was the judge during the time of so aware, and I
was the cabbie who appointed other parties. And that is basically a
very uncommon phenomenon and the Hanbury myth because one of the
reasons why the MF have nots, PrEP is critical. There are many
reasons
So but
but the fact that that they were particularly averse to official
positions and you know proper and so on and so forth, but that we
are that was was was not and he appointed an agenda in hartron
that is, you know, like, you know, we know even if a meme Sahaba
matassa and we know how they made the family of the Tamia family,
all of them are from hartron which is in Turkey Turkey now. So it is
somewhere in that sort of triangle between Iraq Turkey and Syria,
have Han belongs in that triangle so but that was close to them. So
he was the first one to take the month happened in July I was the
first one to take the month hub to heart run. And then we will come
back to Heartland maybe later, but it was the first one to take the
month after Hara. Now, Apple Faraj a CRRC was another student of
Abu yada and you know, I'm just removing the titles for ease but
all of them are my Imams and certainly may Allah have mercy on
them or
so in the not out of disrespect, but I'm just for ease. were
mentioning a lot of names. So
so I will find out this year Ozzy was another student of Abu Yala. I
will follow that as your as you know,
you know, died in 476 Hubble I will find out your Shiraz he died
in 486 and he is the one to take the math help to a Shem
you know output them
that's another family we have like efthimia We have output them we
have
an Abdulhadi we have
also allander that we
we have baited Hanbury which are the children of openfiler to
Shirazi
we have certain families that are very known to have come Belize.
One after another. We have Amanda, the whole family of Amanda we have
six
Eben Amanda. That were Hanbury. They're like six generations they
will come heard this
and in the mouth so that I will find out the Shiraz he took that
math help to
Jerusalem
jam marine jam Jama. He is up in the outskirts of Jerusalem. That
is where Abner put them that comes from.
Kodama eponym, academic Nostra, the grandfather of Edna pajama.
Heard of ufologists Shirazi arriving in town he sent his
brother he said to his brother, let us go and have this good safe
make the heart for us. And the went to his brother was to shine
so he didn't ask us you have to make the offer.
You know Kodama epidemic Damn the grandfather of you know the famous
Abner Padana. Although many Edna could demonstrate the flames but
the grandfather up and morph up
set to the server to see if it will fire in front of the Shirazi
make dua for me to memorize the career and he may die for him, and
he became a memorizer of the prayer, his son now will become
the fatigue and the sort of the main teacher in the masjid of
Gemini.
Until, you know, the fights with the Crusaders and so on, and many
somebodies participated with silica Dean, including the family,
the pajama family and NASA, eminent Hanbury and many companies
participated in the liberation of Jerusalem and liberation of many
other May Allah liberated once again. So
because the Saudi Arabia the pressure on them by the Saudi
Arabian was increasing or they migrated out
My baby mama migrated he took his children that is,
you know, and Wafaa and his brother Kabu Hallmark,
who is also like a very important figure in the, in the math hub
because he took care of the Kadem of human cadaver family or the
family of Kodama the children for them. He took them and they
migrated to Damascus.
And then the family then we may come later to talk about, you
know, the sort of the Hanbury is in Damascus because that became
the most important stronghold of the masjid of I'm sorry, of the
mouth hub for centuries.
All of the you know, we're branching off from Ebola here. And
if you know, although us not even amount of Zoop was the first
Hambali to step foot like no one Hanbury stepped foot in Egypt and
of course he was from Baghdad.
There is no doubt that he learned under Abu Yala, but the but he was
known to be particularly a student of Sheikh Abdullah have the the
son of a chef of the color and Delaney and he was more drawn to
the sub often fed, although he was as happy as when. So when he went
to Egypt as a cod Rahim, Allah does not even mention him as the
first somebody who, you know, as co2 talked about
half of the run in the sea. I don't know if he mentioned him or
he was more concerned about the first form of homebody teacher in
Egypt because it was Mohammed Ibrahim Al janma really was the
first domain Hanbury and Teacher He died around 600 670 600 641
Malik Nesmith Dean, are you with native Gehrman
you will be started a Saudi higher school than in Egypt and you know
that Egypt prior to this was dominated by a shear a dynasty.
But, you know, so the UBS changed this and the sort of Egypt traitor
and
themselves never actually became. Yes, go ahead. I have a question.
I would like you to rewind maybe just to one minute or so of the
name of the one the first time buddy in Egypt and who he branched
off.
So it was not even a matter of Zoop was the first 100 Like known
figure, known Hanbury figure to visit Egypt is known teacher was
Sheikh Abdul Wahab, the son of Jacob the father of G learning.
However, he left he lived in Baghdad during the same time for
our Hambali to basically not learn from a viola even if it is not
documented. We, I presume that he must have learned under Ebola, but
just you know, to be honest, I, you know, I don't I don't find
that this documented necessarily. But he was the and certainly shook
up the product is a main figure in the mouth hub as well. And
certainly he is part of the Senate of the madhhab. We'll come to
this.
But Chef osmotically Marzuki he was more drawn to the south. So he
was not particularly mentioned as the first company to come to Egypt
was the one who was mentioned by you know, by email suit your
hammer of law is Mohammed Abdullah Ibrahim is a minority because he
was the first company teacher and Assad here. That school that was
started by annasmith. Dean at a UB to teach the four suddenly Meza.
But before him had half of Abdulghani il Makdessi, the cousin
of anamorphic, immuno Kodama Makdessi, had visited Egypt.
But he was, you know, he did not particularly settle in Egypt and
have his school in Egypt.
So, basically from the time of Abu yada we
have savings of the month hub that started to spread to three
different locations hartron Hashem which was you know, it will just
call it a sham because by doing this thought calm you know,
Palestine, Syria, all of this all of this area, not particularly one
town but many towns in Assam and Egypt is the is the third one and
then
so Ebola you know
my iPhone seven No ma'am I will shut up and Abernathy
these three different people that took them as far away from Baghdad
but also an important figure Abu Bakr did they nori
Apple back in the day Nori, as a student of Apple Yala.
became the teacher of a very important figure in the math hub,
who is Apple fat Hill many
between five and I will fight for money between 501 and 583.
Hubbell fat Hillman knee is not particularly although he wrote a
book in Philadelphia highly or comparative.
But he was not nothing survived. And he was not particularly drawn
to writing he was drawn to teaching.
And then he taught
many people he was the main teacher in Baghdad did during his
time, you know, after that generation of about Fatah panic
nappy, and, you know, a generation he was the main teacher in
Baghdad, certainly Schiff up the crowd was present and was teaching
also.
But she had a partner because of his emphasis on the sub off.
You know, I think I wouldn't have had many was more dedicated to
him, Betty FIP.
And to teaching Hanbury FIP
although all of them were balanced, and you know, I would
presume that I will factor in money also with not neglect to
settle for anything, but, but everyone has their own strengths
and
interest also. So, but it's a couple of thought hang money is
extremely important too, because when a chef Al Mustafa came to
Baghdad from the maskers when he was 19. He shifted Northrop was
born in 541, after the header of the Prophet sallallahu Sallam
baraggan 620. So he went to Baghdad
around 560 He was 19 years old, he was able to catch
up the cada Rahima hula Humvee 40 years prior to his departure.
May Allah have mercy on them all? So
so certainly he spent that time we shook up the color and shape of
the color treated them very well of course, you know, because of
more fabric even at age 19 You know, he was brilliant
pansit certainly sharper color would treat anyone very well, but,
but also Marfa pens, half of this he was his companion and that
journey
were brilliant. Now after it shook up the powder, died
more fat and save up the money they started to
learn from other people in Baghdad, one of the main people
they learn from or the main people that they learn from where
I would have fought out in Josie but but the one who was most
dedicated to the Hanbury meva because I will forget Adnan Josie
has varied interests like you know, extremely varied interests,
but the one who was most of the key to the company Meza was I
would have had many
so they learned under him
now who else under and under him.
Trouble bucket Mohammed Adnan Hello, he
Learn under him you know I would fight had many hands who learn
under Abu Bakr Muhammad Allah we managed you know immunity may
I say grab the grandfather because you know I guess people from
outside the mother have they may relate to this I've noticed that
haffi the most oh so imagine
learning under Hallowee and
and therefore that you find someone like Abner Raja Rahim
Allah also saying
that imagine that that I will fact heaven and many he he has favor on
every homebody that came after me because the two shakes of the
Nether hub that is a nice Debnath Aimia. And they
were his teachers directly or through someone else.
And then from Edna pajama, like you know, Altay media for
instance, the famous
Imam Ibn Taymiyyah Rahim Allah to Allah. He learned the most hack
from Edna via Omar who is
everyone who is had more of an epidemic danas nephew.
Adama would be his uncle carbomer is the brother of Marfa cabin for
them even Abby Amara man is the basically
the nephew of amorphic Edna Kodama and the students the main students
are Norfolk Abner Perdana who wrote a suction Caribbean the
great commentary on a mock now by his uncle Abner for them
he he he was
the main teacher of the ebony they may have a grand son in addition
to me to me as a father of that Haleem she had the Dean
the two are his main teachers of the Muslim
hands then
the math have continued to blossom through you know as pajama
epner Abdullah had the rumor that we
baited him barely manage
happen till now and then there are different
basically directions where did it come when did it come to next?
First I have a question. Then before we get to next.
I will forget how many you major figure then we go Hill hello we al
imaginativeness Jamia admeasurement Ami we started from
hartron
He does the managed travel to Baghdad or does hello we go to
Hassan
master travels the back there. Okay. Yes. So back a BAP is still
the hub of the HANA fees at the time. Okay, that is still the
center the you know, had a weight shifted the way it shifted from
back there in the middle of the seventh century
to Hassan or a shorter period of time but quickly they're after to
Damascus well let us say you know
you know how to run did not really become because the most important
family and Harar was that they may and family and they themselves
left for the mascot's
so that they may and family back at that basically was conquered by
the Tatars in 656. Baghdad fell to the Tatars
the Damien fam the family of ebony Tamia left
hartron
668 Okay, so the maskers
The epidemic grandfather at the time was six or seven years old.
And he moved with his father Abdel Halim to Damascus and Mazda had
already died. He died Rahima line 652
That's before the follow up but that maybe Allah did not want him
to hear the bad news. But
but that is the ESO heartburn was really never like four. It was
like a major place because as I said, I'm gonna tell him as the
first one that is the students of Abu Allah Himself to bring it to
Hassan but uttarayan from the time of revenue Jalapa became
sort of have very humbly place like the main sort of the main
master that Hassan would be
sort of
the amount of the main method of Kabbalah, if that will no Ray, the
Newari dynasty, but it is in that triangle.
Okay, Syria, Turkey, Iraq. Okay. So Abdel Halim, the son of imagine
the father of imminent Tamia. He is in Tehran, and he learns from
his father who had travelled to Baghdad, went back to Hassan
taught his son then passed away. Then his son Abdulhadi traveled to
Damascus, where the his son Edna Tamia
was able to study with the nephew. Yeah, they're all in same. Yeah,
yeah. The entertainment was able to study with me Omar, the nephew
of Norfolk and Dean liquidum. And that's his main teacher, his
father and his NaVi Alma, through the twins were to try as much as
we can, too. Like to have our grasp of this, but but certainly
it is a lot more complicated. They have a lot more Messiah than this.
One of them can name 200 300 Different Messiah, but we're
trying to simplify things, for instance, and fashionably Tamia.
Who is that the uncle of unmatched hypnotizing media was the first
sort of like, was the first heavyweight person from the Tamie
and family not in much, in fact that they may abide in 622 after
the hitter, and he was the first and he he's modeled for perhaps,
of a city and he is considered them faster and FRP and so on. And
he was certainly also Hanbury so imagine, learn under him faster
and faster, also visited by that and also learn directly from our
fat Henneman Najib
IDNA Tamia team is a tribe from the push
is that Tamia deriving from time so, you know,
they may have was the name of his grand, great grand mother so you
know, he's not going to be
so his name would be paid the initial habit the Helene de
minimis did the and of the salon Edna Abdullah ibn Muhammad, Edna
other
ebony Mohammed everything
and she's sorry, I may I may have added one law given another
evening Mohammed Nicolay. Man, her father was making had and he
crossed either crossed wearing a mat or saw a girl cord that they
may on his way back from had his
basically
his wife was pregnant came back she delivered and he called her
Tamia he became a puppy how she became known.
They did not have a stigma about
you know calling the child after the mother the okay for I had
always thought that it's nuts up that she was a woman from the
tribe of team. No that is that is her name because her father coming
back from had either so a girl and when you say man or so a girl the
call that they may back unnamed or this Imam aftermaths more
Other is her name is Sofia been to my Monash a banner year?
Yeah. So she was named after her mother to Sophie. I've been to
many more actually many because my Munna was a prominent figure,
daughter of a prominent figure optometric. She's a baddie body.
So it doesn't have they don't have an issue with that. Okay, good.
I've ran out of one page now. Next page, Syria, how many years
centuries to niche aware. Give us that history. Display, spend time
in Syria for a couple centuries, then it's gonna go to nudge. Tell
us about this history?
Yeah, yeah, it's not there's a huge overlap.
Because, you know, up until the 14th century, there was a good
presence for the shaman. Domi, for instance, is a contemporary, a
major Hanbury figure from a major Hanbury family.
But he had to learn it must have been Hanafi. Because, you know,
not for now personalities and so on.
But,
but for in Syria, then you have an every generation, like in the
eighth century, you have people like you, so a lot of people in
the eighth century, you know, a NASA Hanbury, you have all the
teammates, millions and you have the knowledge and you have the
time and you have many humbly fingers, eighth century is full of
humbling failures. In the ninth century, they're all also many of
them, you know, you will have
people like even the mafia or the grand son, because we have the
direct student of a military mayor.
And we have no muffler, the grandson or great grandson of the
director, Tamia Bohan, the Ibrahim Abner mafia, he is the author of a
mob the shattered Knocknarea and an important figure and he marks
the end of Emoto Citrine last person among the multiplicity by
the 884 Any anyone who died be 84 before that isn't also the however
it didn't Martha we his contemporary, we call him what
actually although he died at 85, but you will have to pick a year
anyway. So whatever year you pick it, so, so, during the rest time,
we have major Hamburg, we have a mortality, you know, he, he, he is
the one
who basically put it all together in his in his books, you know, so
if Abraham often
wrote the MC NASA of the math hub or the bloom of the math hub,
connect McNasty math habit follow up by the name of the grandfather,
because it brings in all the reports in the method.
So if you want to look for all the reports of the math hub, aside
from the the larger books have nothing but you will go to have
pneumophila Hanifaru but when it comes to an Mernda we not only
that Insaaf he mentioned that the different reports, but he also
tells you that this would be the math hub, this is the stronger
position and the math hub base based on his meta analysis of 140
books of them as
he was working with 140 books in the meth lab and then he will
bring you to basically say this is the stronger position in the mouth
of analog and soft and he's the one world champion and he is also
when it comes to also he is the one who wrote it here
because so it is a completely different story from the time of
Patrick Muhammad and then we are unable to confirm and so on. But
in the end not that I'm afraid of course because the our most
important book on also we should call a trial that another
certainly no Kadima benefited a lot from Mila. Sati Rahim Allah
Allah Allah have mercy on them both from an Mustafa
So, if you're gonna put them on, you know, I relied a lot on eBay
at the moment because early in his route of a mother, but still it is
you know, he adjusted you know, router the mother to be a homebody
book and they they did that they crossed the line, you know to
benefit from each other so, it's not a problem.
So, Rod is another and then the star by a trophy and then the
surfer by trophy these are very important books also otherwise,
but, but in Matera, we wrote a three year which is very important
also a book
that was summarized in Calcutta in one year by having a jar the
Egyptian and even in the journal also wrote struck,
which was the commentary on that matassa or summary of sama Darwin,
and then in the 10th century, you also have very prominent figures
in the NASA in the 10th century.
Like us, that had the ignimbrite for instance, have a very prolific
writer use Abdulhadi.
And, when it when it comes to the sort of the Sufi tradition within
the mouth of Rama shake of the prodigal Jelani, it comes through
chef, use of an Abdulhadi
and then you will have the very famous and prominent that had
jelly and a banana jar, one byte 968 and one tideline 70 268 972
shuwaikh in Madina Munawwara the time was also a prominent figure
of the month hap but must have did not really have a stronghold and,
and Medina.
So, we have those. And then
later in the 11th century, we have also major figures that were
still, you know, now from the 10th century.
Even from the ninth century, we were having a heavier presence in
Egypt, but still Sharon woods, still heavy, very heavy. Maybe the
11th century starts, you know, Egypt starts to basically
particularly after hijo he died in 1968, you know, because when he
died in 1968, Edna Nadal died four years after her job, but people
you know, if you know, the most important figure in the month have
left in Egypt, for the for that went to, you know, the four years
people would now travel to Egypt in a job. And then that is why,
you know, the father of a booty
what you know, certainly was from Egypt, from whom from Albania,
Egypt, and then came into Houthi. Chefman sort of newness, a booty
who has who is an extremely central figure in the madhhab
in Egypt, who
was born in the year 1000, interestingly, and died in 1051.
That's six months so
we have a Chef Mark. He was there and seven Sam but moved to Egypt
also. So when a chef Mara he moved to Egypt, now you have a chef
Mallory, who died in 1033, you have a second sort of news
devotee. So you certainly have the sort of the
center of the homebody center the moving to Egypt.
And, but some we still continue to we have a suffering for instance,
12th century Sheikh Mohammed Mohammed Issa, Ferrini 12 century
1122 He died
and he is certainly like a major figure
in the mouth harp and and others we happen to the chef of the
Carter Agnew bodhran
check out the product but Ron, basically across the the 13th and
14th century
Yeah, should have the product die
It's
in 30 and
thanks shareholder Carter, I'm blocking
up in a mental block here, but you have the pipe cutter died
approximately 90 years ago. So we're talking about a very serious
and Shem and is his lineage still carrying the mothership?
Is that right? No, he does not come from one of those families.
Shiva up the product does not come shove the color of my Patreon does
not come from one of those families but certainly learned
under all of them and he is the one who wrote in my article
which is like an important book to like to learn about.
Okay, so where are we, with NEJM in this picture, what and why,
what why Ned's what's what happened that caused that part of
Arabia to become a place of humbly study?
Well,
you know, we have people like homemade NOTW Abunimah chakra of
Xamarin, Minnesota and
all those people they went either to ashram or Egypt to study
because not there was not like a center of learning at the time.
That is from the basically 10th century in the middle of the 10th
century of not while I was there, studied under Hidalgo we,
from the middle of the 20th century, and then they continued
to go to Sherman, they will they started to go to Egypt, like I
said, when the centers like us, Madame naka de noche, de for
instance, he was the student topical, what he in Egypt and
certainly an important figure in the month Habu is the student, not
only the students, but also the nephew and the son in law of a
booty monster shipments or of newness of booty.
So, so examinable this whole time and we started off in hotwire
made,
they basically took the madhhab to large the end, then it started to
have a stronghold and not until the, you know, the first Saudi,
the oldest sort of the Saudi dynasties
have basically
adapted.
I want the listeners out there to to reflect on this, what we just
did in the last 3540 minutes of giving basic, you know, at least a
overview of where the meth hub is who carries it, who transmits it,
literally person to person until we got to Syria, and then we just
looked at some names. But
this is something that's unique to the deen of Islam, that this idea
that we're able to trace back our ideas from living person to living
person to living person all the way back to him which, which
obviously took it and it goes back to the messenger sallallahu alayhi
wa salam. That's the reason that we did this is for people to
realize and see that Islam is ultimately it's a lived religion.
That is
it's transmitted from human beings to human being by madrasa by
spending a lot of time with that scholar or with that, Imam. And
then of course, as we said, you spend time with a lot of scholars
and you spend time with a lot of Imams, someone could spend 30
years with the Imam, another person could spend 30 days and
benefit more but all that stuff aside. Point being is that we have
a set need and that's what protects our religion from being
corrupted in ways that would completely derail it and take it
way off of the its original course. And it's also a way for us
to define what the ideas mean. For example, we said here we have mmf,
Madonna and Maruti and who are these are the Imams of the meth
hub. It's it has an individual founder and then Jen every
generation will not in a formal fashion but in an informal
fashion. There will come a consensus that there are the acaba
there are the leaders and the in the center of
that method that represented
right away we said the gym I was seven, right? Out of all the
students, seven leaders and then it went down and then every
generation you had the leadership said unmatched and if no Kodama at
one point where the leadership okay and so that's very important
for keeping something a set of ideas stable right because you're
able to at every
moment so what are the leaders say that you have a movement with
leaders is not like a so loose that it has no leaders. Now here I
want to bring up I want to move from the Senate which we covered
very well.