Haitham al-Haddad – What This Genocide Taught Me
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I stopped talking about how Muslims should be
united and doing this and that.
America preferred to lose because of the support
it gave to Israel.
For me, it's a strategic defeat for the
West.
The one who is putting his trust in
Allah will suffice him.
Almost one million people have migrated off so
-called Israel.
On the other side, we have seen Palestinians
refusing to leave Gaza despite the ongoing massacres.
Key for success is sabr, is resilience.
Don't ever give up.
We'll get right into it inshallah.
We all know it's been one year since
the escalation in the genocide and ethnic cleansing
of Gaza.
Obviously, the genocide, the ethnic cleansing has been
happening for decades.
But it's been one year since October the
7th.
What have we learned over the last year?
We learned a lot.
We learned a lot.
Actually, the last year is in of itself
a school that taught the whole world, not
the Muslim Ummah, taught the whole world so
many important lessons.
For us as Muslims, we learned a number
of things.
We learned that the key for success is
sabr, is resilience.
Not the negative sabr, not the passive sabr,
but the positive sabr, the positive resilience.
And that's why even from the early generation,
they used to define sabr as to be
resilience, or they used to define nasr, victory,
as to be resilience.
And in the Quran, Allah made it clear.
If you show sabr and if you show
taqwa, then their plot will not harm you
whatsoever.
Allah commanded us to show sabr and to
show sabr in different ways.
Sabr again is not the negative, is not
the passive resilience.
It is resilience while we are firm on
what you are believing.
You are trying your best to defend yourself.
You are trying yourself.
You are taking also the means to become
victorious.
So it's not a passive attitude.
It is actually an active attitude.
That's why you translated it as resilient.
Normally people translate it as patience.
Yes, patience has a negative connotation.
Resilience has a more positive connotation.
So this is the first one.
The second one is that if you are
holding on your principles and you are firm
on your haqq, on your right, that gives
you motivation to become sabr and that gives
you motivation to look forward for victory.
And there is a difference between the genociders
and the Palestinians who are resisting because we
have seen clearly within the occupation state that
almost one million, it is almost confirmed, almost
one million people have migrated off so-called
Israel.
And we have seen on the other side,
we have seen Palestinians refusing to leave Gaza
despite the ongoing massacres, the ongoing killing, despite
the fact that they are hungry under siege,
they have no shelters.
And even we have seen in north Gaza
in the last few days that even their
tents have been burned and they are burned
while they are alive.
So despite all of these atrocities that they
have been suffering from in the last year,
despite, of course, the suffering that they have
been suffering before that for 70 plus years,
despite that, they are adamant that they want
to continue living in their own land.
They don't want to leave their land.
So there is a difference between a person
who claims a right and on the other
side, the person who believes and who is
rooted in that land.
So this is another important lesson.
We also learned a very important lesson that
when you rely on Allah, Allah gives you
power to resist and to remain firm.
And that's why Allah says in the Quran,
the one who is putting his trust on
Allah will suffice him.
Yes.
And Allah also says, said
that he will test you.
Yeah.
So
this
is another important lesson that when Allah is
with you, you will continue to remain firm.
And also you will, SubhanAllah, many people expected
that Gaza will finish in maybe one, two,
three days.
Maybe they thought that in the first week
or maybe three weeks when the airstrikes almost
demolished almost half of Gaza, then people thought,
or in the beginning, maybe a destroyed a
big amount of Gaza and the infrastructure etc.
People thought that the Gazan people, the Palestinians
will give up and that's all.
But they have been resisting for the whole
year.
Yeah.
So definitely their belief in Allah gave them
this power to resist.
And their belief in Allah actually inspired the
whole world to try to explore why they
are able to resist.
So this is another important lesson.
Also, another important lesson, which is now let
us go to the outside the Palestinians.
We have learned that this state, so-called
Israel state, is not a normal state.
It is a fascist state.
Maybe it is the most fascist state in
the whole world, maybe in history.
Okay.
Now, even non-Muslims have confirmed this reality.
And it became, in fact, it became a
toxic, a toxic state.
If it is true to call it a
state, and the people there, the Zionist people
became really toxic.
And that's why even so many writers, they
started to speak against Zionism openly.
And just some time ago, they wanted to
equate Zionism with anti-Semitism or anti-Zionism,
sorry, with anti-Semitism.
But now this has been destroyed.
And we have seen the recent case of
David Miller.
Okay.
When he won the case, the appeal court
said that he, well, to believe that Zionism
is.
So being anti-Zionism is a protected belief
now?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
So the person has the right, okay, to
criticize Zionism, and it is not equated with
anti-Semitism.
Okay.
I mean, the judgment was published this week.
It's like a year old, the case, but
the judgment was published this week, 120 pages.
And some people, they mentioned something interesting that
nobody has an excuse now, that this is
now clearly laid out in black and white
in law now, that there's no excuse for
silence.
Any professors, any lecturers, whatever, they have it
in black and white there.
So we'll see what.
Exactly.
This is actually a milestone.
Okay.
This is a landmark.
This is a landmark judgment.
And now this, we wouldn't imagine this would
happen maybe some time ago.
Yeah.
But this is something that we have learned.
Also, we learned that some people might find
it odd to say this, but we learned,
and the whole world have witnessed this Zionist
state refusing giving the Palestinians any rights.
Okay.
Even those who were singing the song of
the two-state solution, Israel came and the
Knesset, as you know, just maybe two months
ago, refused in by consensus, by consensus.
Maybe there were two or three odd voices,
maybe the Arab representatives there.
But let us say by majority that they
will not allow the existence of a Palestinian
state next to them.
Even in Gaza, in the West Bank.
And that also created a major question.
And by the way, I would like to
say to, for example, Pers Morgan and others,
now tell us, what do you want the
Palestinians to do?
No one is now addressing this question.
They are going right and left, but they
are not addressing this question.
What do you want Palestinians to do?
Yeah.
And you want Palestinians to recognize the existence
of Israel, but in the meantime, you don't
want the Israelis to recognize the existence of
the Palestinians.
You want us to confirm the right of
Israel to exist, but you don't want Israel
to confirm the right of the Palestinians to
exist.
How come?
How is that fair?
But that exposure is so important because it
removes any kind of doubt, any kind of
doubt of the intention of the so-called
Israel, of their fascism, of their nature, that
they are of their toxic nature and that
they are not a normal existence that can
exist peacefully with its neighbors.
OK, so we learned this.
Also, among the things that we learned, we
learned that the international community is unable to
hold Palestinians, to hold the Israelis accountable for
whatever they have done.
They are unable, the international community is unable
to protect the Palestinians.
The international community is unable to stop the
crimes of the Israelis.
We have seen that the ICC and the
ICJ ruled against the Palestinians, and they used
very clear statements against the Israeli state, which
was unprecedented.
It happened for the first time in history.
Of course, in the Mediterranean history, because Israel
did not exist before 1948.
So despite that, the international community was unable
and is still unable to stop the crimes
of the Israelis.
OK, so this is a very important lesson,
which leads to another important lesson, which is
the whole world and the young people in
particular have seen the failure of the international
organizations.
And therefore, many of them started to look
for alternatives.
What is the alternative for the international community?
And also among the things that we have
learned, that the Western countries led by the
United States, that their values that they claim
have been destroyed.
They have destroyed their values by themselves when
they stood next to the occupation forces, when
they continued to arm these genociders, despite the
ICC, despite the ICJ rulings, they continued doing
that.
So now, how on earth, how on earth
anyone will believe in these Western values?
They have destroyed that.
And, you know, the American values at one
time, people were fond of the American values.
They were talking about the American values and
the Americans themselves destroyed those values that they
have been working to establish for decades.
In one year, they preferred to side with
the Israeli occupation rather than to preserve their
image, to preserve the values that they have
worked on and for, for a long time.
Among the values that they have destroyed, the
so-called democracy, because people have seen that
the Israelis, these occupation forces, they don't know.
They claim that they are the only democratic
country in the Middle East, but their actions
have proven that they are the fascist country
in the Middle East.
This is something that we as Muslims learned
and also non-Muslims, especially young people, have
learned as well.
Among, as I said, we learned so many
lessons.
Among the lessons that we have learned is
that power, power, yeah, power does not protect
your existence.
Yes, might, might doesn't make it right.
Right is might, but it is not the
opposite.
So, what do you mean by that, Sheikh?
Yeah, Israel thinks, Israel thinks by power, they
can live, yeah, and they can, they can
build their own state and they can bring
peace to their people, et cetera.
But it has been proven that, yes, despite
the power they have and the technology they
have, they are unable to provide peace and
security for their own people.
The Israelis and the people who live in
the so-called Israel, yeah, they don't feel
secure until now.
After 70 plus years, they thought that they
have managed to secure a safe place for
them.
But in reality, we learned that they have
failed in that.
Also, we have learned that, that, subhanAllah, as
far as Muslims believe in Allah, believe in
Islam in general, even if they are not
that practicing people, they still, they still have
very strong values and they still have very
strong attachment to Al-Aqsa.
They strong, they still believe in their right
to resist the occupation.
So we have seen the younger children, young
people who were born in West Bank or
even in Gaza, but let us talk about
young people who were born in West Bank
during the occupation and the occupation thought that
they are able to normalize with those people.
And those young people at one point, they
will accept the so-called Israeli narrative, but
they were shocked to see that even those
young people have rejected them and they are
willing to resist this occupation.
These are among the key lessons that we
have learned.
SubhanAllah.
I mean, I was just thinking, what would
you, what would people like 10 years from
now, 100 years from now, in your opinion,
what would they be saying about this, this
period of this, this event in human history?
See, well, normally, in general, I'm not talking
about this case.
Normally, history sides with the victors.
Okay.
Normally, history sides with the victors.
And when victory comes, even history overlooks the
mistakes of the victors.
Yeah.
But history, which means that history sides against
the losers and even whatever the losers have
done, which is correct.
Yeah.
They will, history will magnify it and historians
will start criticizing these activities, even if they
were right, just because they were carried out
by the losers.
This is a very important point.
So sometimes history, yeah, is not fair.
Okay.
I don't want to mention, you know, what
happened to Hitler and what happened in the
Second World War, what happened to even the
Ottoman Empire, what happened to...
Okay.
Normally, history, yeah, sides against the losers and
history starts to criticize them very, very heavily.
Okay.
Now, this is one thing.
We, I am confident, inshallah, that at the
end of these atrocities, Allah will grant victory
to the people of the truth.
And in this case, the Palestinians, the Muslim
Palestinians.
It might take some time.
They might sacrifice more.
The whole ummah might sacrifice more.
But at the end of the day, I
believe that, inshallah, they will be victorious and
history will start reading what happened according to
that, from that angle.
This is one point, but from the other
point, I believe that when, irrespective of what
will happen, I think history will record that
the entire world failed to stop this genocide,
which may be, which is the worst genocide
that took place in the modern history.
I think, I think because it has been
documented and those...
Yes, this documentation will not be lost easily.
So the coming generations will be at a
shock.
Yeah, they will be shocked how on earth
the whole world witnessed these genocides, these genocides
or this genocide taking place and no one
was able to do anything to stop it.
And, you know, we have seen maybe that
clip.
I'm sure you have seen it.
Well, when the children are watching like documentaries
with their parents in China, in Europe, etc.
And the children will turn to their parents
and will ask them, did you do something?
Why did you keep quiet?
Why didn't you do something to stop that?
Yeah, and something like this.
So this, you know, this will happen.
This will happen.
And it will be, you know, a dark
page in the history of humanity that this
genocide was taking place in a very small
area.
You know, again, we keep saying that Gaza
may be one quarter of London, just one
quarter of London.
And SubhanAllah, the landscape of Gaza is just
a flat earth.
OK, it doesn't have mountains.
It doesn't have, you know, forests.
It's not a huge land.
So the history will record that dark page
that this Zionist state supported by the main
superpower in the world, United States, along with
many other Western countries, have put that small
place under siege for decades.
And then at one point they decided to
destroy them, to kill them, to massacre them.
And the whole world is watching that.
The history also will record that between Gaza
and an Arab country and a big Arab
country like Egypt, the borders is maybe 80
meters or in some places less than that.
And Egypt failed to even pass a bottle
of water for the Palestinians.
In fact, it participated in putting the Palestinians
under siege.
History will record that.
Yeah.
So and history also will record that many
Muslim countries were celebrating different celebrations and as
if there is no atrocity just miles away
from them.
They were singing, dancing and as if no
one is being massacred next to their door.
Yeah.
I mean, you talk about victory.
And what does victory and defeat look like
for either side, in your opinion?
OK.
I saw a video, like an essay by
I think it was the editor of Middle
East Eye.
And he said Israel's already lost.
And, you know, the Palestinian Gazan resistance already
won because their aim was to exist, to
resist.
And as long as you do that, you're
victorious.
And the Israelis aim was to just wipe
everyone out.
And they're still alive.
They're still resisting.
Yeah, see, we can look at it from
a micro perspective and a macro perspective.
OK.
Now, I always like to start with the
macro perspective.
From a macro perspective, I think the so
-called Israel, and if I say just Israel,
and you forgive me for that.
OK.
I think they have started the end of
their existence.
OK.
Just simply look at it without much details.
Do you think that Israel and the Israelis
will be able to enjoy peace, even if
they manage to destroy the Palestinian resistance, even
if they manage to win this war?
Do you think that they are able to
live in peace in the coming, at least,
20, 30 years?
Even if they get rid of every Palestinian
in the world, no one's going to forget
what's happening.
And they will keep coming after them, case
after case.
Yeah, they themselves, see, even the feeling of
peace, they lost it.
They lost it because they have seen what
they, even if they justify, even if they
justify, they have seen that they have created
animosity around them, yeah, in the whole Muslim
world.
And they have seen the demonstrations.
They have seen at least the moral support.
They are witnessing the social media.
So the inner peace, they have lost it.
They have lost it.
And when a state is unable to provide
the honor, the inner peace for its inhabitants,
yeah, then they have lost it.
And the main factor for stability of that
state is lost, which is what?
Which is the inner peace the people have,
or the people lost.
Uh, see, you wouldn't, Al Jazeera yesterday, uh,
put forward a map, yeah, published a map
of, again, so-called Israel, and the walls
Israel have built around them to protect themselves.
Walls, high walls, yeah, between, of course, themselves
and Gaza.
Between themselves and Egypt, Sahara and Naqab, and
Naqab desert, between themselves and Jordan, even around
West Bank, yeah, even next to the borders
of Lebanon and, and Syria, yeah.
So they, and, uh, this, uh, apart from
that, they have established towers of, uh, towers
of advanced technology to monitor the surrounding areas.
So this means that they are living in
fear.
Now, the people there, they will continue living
in fear.
This means that the project, the Zionist project,
have actually failed because they were hoping that
they will be able to normalize with the
surrounding countries.
They might be able to normalize with the
governments of the surrounding countries, but they won't
be able to normalize with the people around
them because, uh, the whole, the, the, the,
the, uh, the whole Ummah, the whole Muslim,
uh, those countries have witnessed the massacres they
have carried out.
Yeah.
And, and they will not forget that.
If they think that they will forget that,
uh, they, I think they have fooled themselves.
So this is, this is, this is one
thing.
The other thing, okay, it is impossible to
wipe out the Palestinians.
If they wiped out the Palestinians in Gaza,
which is impossible.
Yeah.
Uh, what about the Palestinians in West Bank?
What about Palestinians around the world?
Here we are talking about, uh, seven to
8 million Palestinians living in exile.
And this genocide have, uh, resurrected their national,
uh, feelings and their connection to Gaza.
Yeah.
Uh, I am myself, I am Palestinians.
I'm originally from Gaza.
What happened?
I was born in Saudi Arabia.
I have never felt connected to Gaza as
I have felt now.
My children have never seen Gaza.
They were either born, uh, some of them,
they were born in, uh, in London.
And some of them were born outside.
Uh, they now, they now think of Gaza.
They think of Palestine.
They think of Al-Quds.
They think of their roots as Palestinians, despite
the fact that they are British now, but
they are thinking of their roots and thousands
of, or maybe actually millions of Palestinians have
resurrected this national feeling, which is an Islamic
feeling, is not divorced from the Islamic feeling,
which leads me to the second point, which
is now Palestinians, I can assure you from
my, you know, my, I've been traveling here
and there and meeting different people, even the
national Palestinians.
Now they have seen that, uh, the national,
the, uh, the national discourse.
Nationalists.
No, no, sorry.
They, the nationalism, okay.
Or national discourse is not sufficient for them
to liberate their land and to resist the
occupation.
And they believe this strongly that they have
to couple it with the Islamic, with the
Islamic, uh, discourse.
And this in of itself is a very
advanced, uh, stage.
And that's why, uh, the, the, the Palestinian
resistance will become an Islamic resistance.
Yeah.
And it will, uh, it will be endorsed
by, uh, many factors of the Palestinians, uh,
all over the world, and it will take
different forms now.
And also it united them because they believe
now that they have a goal, which is
what, which is to be independent, to free
their land, to have their own, uh, to
have their own state, to have their own
country.
So, so that in of itself, yeah, that
in of itself, uh, is, uh, is not
just one step towards victory, but actually it
is 10 steps towards victory.
And that's why, as I said, from a
macro perspective, from a macro perspective, you cannot
say that, uh, the, the, uh, the Palestinians
have lost, even if the Israelis, uh, even
if the Israelis managed to wipe Gaza out
and the West Bank, uh, out completely, which
is impossible.
Now, if, if, if you want to speak
about, uh, a micro perspective, I really don't
want to talk about micro perspective because the
situation is very dynamic.
Okay.
Uh, it's volatile, it's changing all the time.
Exactly.
Volatile, changing, and, uh, you know, even, uh,
um, even strategic experts in, in, uh, military,
they are unable to predict, um, to predict
a particular end for this war.
But what I feel is that, uh, the
Palestinians, because of their, uh, resistance, uh, there,
and, uh, also they managed to do something
which is really extraordinary, uh, in Palestine.
First of all, they did not leave Gaza.
Yeah.
They continued to resist.
They continue to be united.
They also managed to, uh, to reform whatever
they can from the civil life, you know?
So they started some schooling system.
They even rebuilt, uh, you know, Ashifa hospital
that has been destroyed.
They have rebuilt some of the departments of
Ashifa hospital.
Uh, they started to, uh, they started to
clean certain areas.
Even the occupation will come and destroy those
areas again.
So they started to, uh, to manage their
civil, okay, life.
And that is so important for the, uh,
for their resistance and for their existence.
And, um, and, uh, it is a matter
of time.
See, Palestinians, we have to understand this.
Palestinians, uh, live in, uh, in a state
of war, you can say for 70 plus
years.
So they are used to this.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, it's not myself because I never lived
there, but the Palestinians who lived in Gaza
and who are living in Gaza and living
in, uh, West Bank, they, they have this
nature, which is to be resilient and to
continue resisting.
They have been living like this for the
past 70 something years.
So they can co-op, uh, with, they
can co-op with this and that's the,
the, the, uh, that is, uh, that gives
them fuel to continue.
Yes.
And Inshallah, they will be, uh, victorious.
Yeah.
This is quite deeply.
So Israelis have, so-called Israelis have, you
know, the, the, the thing you mentioned about
Al Jazeera, the, the walls they built to,
um, imprison others have become their own cage
in a way.
And secondly, they've, they've galvanized the opposition.
They've galvanized the Palestinian resistance, Palestinian activists,
politicians, even those that were, you know, closer
to them, they've pushed them away, polarized, and
they've united the Palestinians all around the world.
Now they're, they're kind of moving away from
the kind of secular, those that were secular
kind of nationalistic types.
You're saying they understand now that they need
the Islamic discourse.
They need Islamic basis.
In fact, not only Palestinians, but okay, you
can say the Muslim ummah at large.
And in fact, you, uh, we should not
just limit that to the Muslim ummah at
large, but also, also, uh, many of the,
uh, uh, many of the non-Muslims.
Yeah.
Yesterday we have seen, uh, or not yesterday,
a few days ago, we have seen the
American, uh, actor who was commenting on the
burning of the tents of the, uh, Palestinians
in, yeah, no, no, no, the, the, the
tents, maybe in the hospital.
Yeah.
North of Gaza.
So see, see this, this for me is
a strategic defeat for the West.
Yeah.
And that's why, you know, if we need
to look at this genocide, this war, this
conflict, call it whatever you want to call
it from a macro strategic perspective.
When you lose confidence in your own values.
Yeah.
And the West has lost confidence in its
own values.
Yeah.
Then that is the end of your existence
because you don't have values to live by.
And this model, yeah, this model, which is,
uh, which thinks that power military, yes, or
even economy power is your, uh, your main,
uh, platform for your existence that does not,
that does not provide the infrastructure for a
civilization to continue existing, because this civilization, it
will kill itself by itself because it lost
confidence in its own values.
So I am really, uh, I'm really surprised
and I am really shocked how, uh, Americans
in particular, yeah, Americans preferred, see America has
defeated itself now.
Yeah.
America preferred to lose its, uh, heritage.
Yeah.
In one year because of the support it
gave to Israel.
So they preferred, yeah, to aid Israel over
their, uh, over their victory themselves or over
their preservation of their own civilization.
Yeah.
That's why it is actually the start of
the defeat of this American, you know, era.
Yes.
No doubt that they are militarily, economically, yeah,
they are in control of the whole world,
but that, you know, physical, uh, militant or
military power and economy power, if it is
not standing on solid foundation of values, it
will crumble very quickly.
And I'm really shocked that the American thinkers
have accepted that their country to do that.
Similarly here in Britain.
Yeah.
Similarly, it is the, the, the, the case
in Britain and even some other Western countries,
Germany in particular.
But maybe someone might say that Germany, it
doesn't come across as a, as a superpower,
as a civilization, but it is part of
the Western.
It is part of the Western, uh, you
know, uh, bubble.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this is what is happening.
Actually, what is happening is, uh, shocking the
whole world.
And it is actually restructuring the whole world.
And this leads me to a point, a
very important point, which is, I think now
it is, uh, a very golden opportunity for
us as Muslims to come across and to
present Islam as an alternative civilization.
Yeah.
But so Sheikh, I mean, so we talked
about the West and obviously you, you, by
West, you mean people in power, not like
the everyday person like you and me.
Of course, yeah, this is what we mean,
yeah.
But like the, the dominant, um, kind of,
uh, values or lack of values, uh, in,
in, in the, um, the animating Western policy.
That's, that's kind of expose itself as failure
and, and, and crumbled and kind of in
it's because of its support for the genocide
and it's, it's cover for genocide and so
forth.
But the Muslim world hasn't been doing, um,
much better.
And I mean, it hasn't been actively, obviously
responsible for the genocide, but many people would
say Muslim countries have failed.
Yeah.
What's your vision on that?
What's your, what's your, this is a very
good point.
This is a very good point, but here,
see, no one has ever, uh, spoken about
the Muslim world as, you know, as a
world that can bring justice to, to the
world.
We all know that the Muslim world is
just Muslim by name.
We all know that most of the Muslim
countries are corrupted countries.
We all know that most of the Muslim
leaders, political leaders are puppet of the, uh,
Western, uh, hegemony.
We all know that no one has ever,
uh, no one has ever relied on the
Muslim, uh, Muslim world.
No one has ever expected something different.
We all know that they are either they
are coward leaders.
Okay.
We are talking about governments here.
Again, either they are coward or they are
helpless or they are very weak, very weak.
They cannot do anything.
And we all know that they are disunited.
Yes.
And they cannot come together.
And that's why, to be honest with you,
I stopped talking about Muslim, uh, Muslims should
be united and doing this and that because
it will receive deaf, you know, deaf, uh,
people, deaf ears.
And, uh, we will just waste our time
talking about the Muslim leaders should do this
and that.
Let us focus on what we can do.
Yes.
As, uh, as the, the, the masses.
Okay.
Muslims all over the world.
The masses.
Yeah.
What's your message to the ulama of the
Muslims in the Muslim world and outside the
Muslim world?
Yeah.
See, this is the ulama are the leaders
of the Muslim ummah.
Yeah.
And when Allah says, وَأَطِعُوا اللَّهُ وَأَطِعُوا الرَّسُولَ
وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ As the scholars
have said, Ibn Kathir mentioned this in his
tafsir and many others that ulul amr actually
the political leadership and the ulama as well.
Yeah.
The ulama are the leaders of the ummah.
Now the political leadership of the ummah, as
we said, is, has lost it, uh, is
failing and we are not expecting anything from
them.
But the ulama should not fail.
وَإِذْ أَخَذَ اللَّهُ مِثَاقَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ لَتُبَيِّنُنَّهُ
لِلنَّاسِ وَلَا تَكْتُمُونَ Allah took the covenant from
the people of the book.
This includes the ulama of this ummah, that
they should disclose the haqq.
They should stand for the haqq.
They should fight for the haqq.
Yes.
Do you think that's happening more or less
than it was 12 months ago now?
So it is happening.
It's very difficult to evaluate.
But what we say that, alhamdulillah, the vast
majority of the scholars of the ummah stood
with the haqq with different levels.
Obviously, we know that some scholars in some
Muslim countries cannot speak about Palestine, cannot just
speak about Palestine, let alone making dua for
the Palestinians, let alone pushing their countries to
support the Palestinians.
They cannot do that because of the political
situation in their country.
But generally speaking...
What should they do then?
Okay.
Just before that, generally speaking, the ulama, they
were, okay, generally speaking, they were doing a
good job.
Sometimes it is not as they could have
done.
We have to admit that because, unfortunately, all
what they can do is just talking about
the situation, encouraging the Muslim ummah to do
something, encouraging the leadership of the Muslim ummah
to do something.
Unfortunately, and it is very sad that we
as ulama, I am one of them, is
unable or disabled from doing something that is
tangible.
This is very unfortunate, but that doesn't mean
that we cannot or we should stop.
That doesn't mean that we should not continue
doing the maximum that we can do on
a political level, lobbying, putting pressure on governments,
encouraging the ummah, motivating the ummah, empowering the
ummah to do something.
And this is the most important thing for
us as people of knowledge or people of
da'wah to do because people listen to
the ulama.
We have the spiritual influence over people, so
we have to continue doing that.
We should also, now it is the time
to be more united in order to be
able to unite the ummah in and of
itself.
Maybe we need now to come up with
a different discourse that will work for a
better future for our Muslim ummah.
We need to encourage.
We need ourselves to do that, and we
need to encourage Muslims to be more active
in da'wah because, as I always say,
that it is a very golden opportunity for
us Muslims to do da'wah.
Now the whole world is looking for Islam
as an alternative, not just from a spiritual
perspective, but from a civilizational perspective.
This is our opportunity.
We also need to continue putting pressure on
the leadership of the Muslim ummah.
We should continue doing that.
We should not stop doing that, but we
should not just think that this is the
only thing that we can do because we
know the political leadership of the ummah and
what they can do.
Do you think that even if the Muslim
leaders were, or there were more brave Muslim
leaders that did have that allegiance to the
ummah, to the haq, to justice, what do
you think they could have done, or what
should they be doing?
Yeah, this is a good question.
This is a good question.
I mean, I feel that, like everyone else,
why aren't they doing something?
They should be doing something.
But then I think, well, what are they
supposed to do?
I mean, yeah, yeah, this is a good
question.
Maybe it is not a practical question, but
okay, see, they can do a lot.
I mean, for example, I mean, the reason
I ask, for example, people can actually give
them in terms of their lobbying, they could
say, look, we as the people, we demand
that you, we ask nicely if that you
do this or you do that, you know,
because people might just say, oh, it's either
go all out war or do absolutely nothing.
So they will say, well, we don't want
to go to war.
Yeah, yeah.
In between, there are so many things that
can be done.
Yeah, of course, of course, if we are
living in an ideal situation.
Yeah, they should have, you know, they should
have supported the people of Palestine from a
military perspective, because this is a protected right.
Yeah, even by the international law, because now
Gaza is being occupied and Gaza, it has
been attacked.
If in an ideal situation, this should not
have happened.
OK, but leave the ideal situation because people
say, well, we are too far from the
ideal situation.
And that's why we say that what we
need, we need a Muslim, we need a
strong Muslim country.
Yeah, that also is strong from a political
perspective within the United Nations.
And that's why the whole world now should
think of the current United Nations setup, that
the whole world is controlled by the five
veto countries.
Yeah, the whole world is stuck with that.
And this, I am appealing now to the
young people to start marching, demanding for restructuring
the United Nations.
Otherwise, these atrocities will continue.
Now, it is taking place in people in
Gaza.
Later on, it will, it might take place
in another part of the world, maybe in
India, in China, in Russia, in America itself.
And no one can do anything because these
countries, OK, except India, they have the veto
right and no one can stop them from
committing any genocide or any atrocity as simple
as this.
OK, so the whole world, that's why we
need a new structure for the whole world.
So let us leave the idealistic situation.
If there were strong Muslim countries, relatively, we're
not talking about, again, the idealistic situation.
Immediately, they could have what kicked and closed
any political.
Embassies and ambassadors.
Yes, any political presence of the Zionist state.
This is number one.
They should have boycotted all exports to that
Zionist state.
Unfortunately, many Muslim countries, they were still and
they are still exporting some goods to the
Zionist state.
Yeah, so they could have done this.
They could have sent aid to Gaza.
Yes, when the people of Gaza, they need
to survive.
They need to live.
Before this atrocity, Gaza was under siege, but
it used to receive between 800 and 1000
trucks on a daily basis for the people
to survive.
Now what they receive is just 100 trucks
on lead.
Yeah, and sometimes even those 100 trucks, they
don't reach on time and they don't reach
everywhere in Gaza.
So if there were strong Muslim countries, this
wouldn't happen.
Then if there were strong Muslim countries, they
would exercise political pressure in the United Nations
on Israel, on America itself.
Yeah, they could have a few Muslim countries.
They could have come together and they could
have done something regarding the global economy.
Yeah, with their exporting oil, etc.
And then America will take the matter seriously.
Yeah, there are so many things that can
be done, really.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So in terms of why they're not done,
do you think that's something that, you travel
to lots of countries, lots of Muslim countries,
you meet lots of ulema and masses of
different countries.
Do you think that there's no, like the
problem is with the general Muslim ummah in
those areas where they're not demanding it from
their leaders to their governments to do this
kind of stuff?
Yeah, maybe this needs another podcast where we
talk about the key problems of the ummah.
And there are internal problems and there are
external problems.
Among the key problems of the ummah is
the political leadership of the ummah.
There is no doubt that the political leadership
of the ummah is a hindrance to its
reform, to its growth, to its success.
There is no doubt about that.
Mm hmm.
Okay.
And that might be, that might be the
subject of another podcast.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
We need to think about that.
So in terms of.
Which is a roadmap to reform.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's your, what's the post-Israel plan?
Yeah, we see that, look, in any case,
whatever happens, the status quo cannot be umm,
cannot be kept, right?
So-called Israel, the Zionists are hemorrhaging support,
international support.
Their economy is in tatters.
Their neighbors all hate them.
You know, it's only a matter of time
until, inshallah, this last European colony in the
Middle East is dissolved and something else comes
about.
Just like happened in the rest of the
countries there.
Just like happened in South Africa or Rhodesia
or, you know, countries pop in and out
of existence.
It doesn't mean they get, you know, people
get killed or, you know, they attach rockets
to it and it goes into outer space.
No, the country is just, you know, a
socially, a social political construct.
What would you say, if we think now
in terms of macro level, what comes next?
Yeah, allahu alam, it's very difficult to predict.
What should come next?
Yeah, what I think is that Israel will
exist for some time as a very weak
entity.
Yeah, and that weakness will, will speed up
its end.
Yeah, this is, this is, yaani, allahu alam,
what will happen.
Inshallah, they will be defeated in this genocide.
Inshallah, they will be defeated.
Once they are defeated, then they will exist
for some time as, as a very weak
state.
And this might speed up their end.
Now, if allahu alam, of course, in strategic
thinking, and I always like to follow that
model that you need to give, to consider
all options.
If they were victorious in this genocide by,
for example, how they become victorious, let us
say that they managed to free their prisoners
or called so-called hostages.
And they managed to control Gaza again, to
occupy Gaza again.
Yeah, if that happened, again, that might be
a victory for them from a short perspective,
but it will not be a victory for
them from a long perspective.
Yeah, from a strategic perspective, because of what
we have said in the beginning of this
podcast.
But eventually, when, you know, I think many
people would agree that eventually this is doomed
to failure.
What happens next?
I mean, we don't want, I'm assuming we
don't want just another, whatever the, you know,
the other kind of neighboring states or many
of the Muslim countries today, to just kind
of pop up there.
Is there any thinking that's happening by, you
know, from the scholars, the policymakers in the
region and outside the region, people with, you
know, a lens looking at the region of
what could be and what we can do
in order to make a good outcome for
the whole Ummah, you know, once this colony
is dismantled?
Yeah, this is maybe, this is, again, a
subject of another podcast.
Because it is a long discussion, so it's
not very, maybe feasible to discuss it at
the end of this episode.
Okay.
Barclay Fikchek, we've just got one last question.
What are you worried about?
You know, in other words, what should we
avoid going forward now?
This is a very good question.
Yeah, to stop being resilient.
To stop resisting.
See, as far as you are resisting, in
any form of resistance, you will be victorious.
Yeah, as far as the Muslim Ummah is
resisting and not giving up.
Yeah, they will never be defeated.
We will be defeated as a Muslim Ummah.
And in particular, as Palestinians, if we give
up.
That's why, that's why my key message to
the scholars, the imams, the Muslim masses, to
the activists, don't ever give up.
Don't ever give up.
Yes.
This includes giving up.
Don't be weak.
Don't be saddened.
Don't lose it.
Okay.
Because you are superior as far as you
are what?
You are believers.
And as we said, Allah says, وَإِن تَصْبِرُوا
وَتَتَّقُوا Two conditions, which is what?
Sabr, resilience.
And Taqwa, you will be what?
You will be victorious.
Alhamdulillah, the Muslim Ummah is going back to
Allah, yes.
And the religiosity of the Muslim Ummah is
increasing.
We need now to continue as an Ummah
and as Palestinians, in particular, to continue resisting.
Yes, and Inshallah, Inshallah, we will be victorious
if we have these two conditions, Sabr and
Taqwa, as Allah Jalla wa A'la said.
Jazakumullahu khair, Shaykh, on that point.
Thank you for joining us.
Sorry for taking so much of your time.
But I wanted to get this, you know,
one year kind of on update your thoughts
and messages going forward.
Jazakumullahu khairan to you for that.
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