Fatima Barkatulla – Hifz Journey, Sacrifice, Revision & Routines

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The founder and CEO of hesitant to speak to each other discuss their journey and struggles with memorizing the Q Guinea Surahs and their desire to move back to their original country. They emphasize the importance of balance and a flow in learning, as well as the need for a platform for women to practice recitation and a platform for female students to practice recitation online to improve confidence and memorization. The speakers emphasize the importance of learning and making an impact for parents, particularly in setting up classes for events, and for parents to practice and instill a love for their children.

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			Bismillah, alhamdulillah, wassalatu wassalam ala rasoolillah, dear brothers
		
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			and sisters, assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
		
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			Welcome to this special session with Sheikh Shabbir
		
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			Hassan.
		
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			I was just thinking, Ustadh Shabbir, that this
		
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			is like ilmfeed meets ilmfeed, like this is
		
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			our first, I think it's the first time
		
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			we've ever spoken to each other on screen.
		
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			Yes, that's true, inshallah.
		
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			Alhamdulillah, brothers and sisters, I already told you
		
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			a little bit about Sheikh Shabbir.
		
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			He is one of the, you know, hosts
		
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			of the ilmfeed podcast.
		
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			We know each other actually from, I think
		
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			we were both in the Alimiyyah program at
		
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			Ibrahim College, and we both graduated from that.
		
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			And I know that he is the CEO
		
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			and founder of Nikah Co.
		
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			And is there anything else I've missed out?
		
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			No, yeah, just teaching and authored, like yourself,
		
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			Ustadhah, a book on Surah Yusuf, so alhamdulillah.
		
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			Yeah, mashaAllah, I've got a copy of your
		
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			book.
		
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			Can you share with everyone the name of
		
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			the book so that they can...
		
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			Yeah, the title of the book is A
		
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			Beautiful Patience, so it's taken from the phrase
		
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			in Surah Yusuf, and it's basically 40 life
		
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			lessons from Surah Yusuf.
		
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			That's the concept of the book.
		
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			MashaAllah.
		
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			And of course, you are a hafidh of
		
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			Qur'an, mashaAllah.
		
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			Sheikh Shabbir, just to let you know, our
		
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			parents, they're all parents who are aspiring to
		
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			raise hufadh.
		
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			Either they have begun the journey already, or
		
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			they're in the middle of the journey, or
		
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			some of them actually, they're expecting a baby,
		
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			or, you know, they're like really thinking ahead
		
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			and trying to prepare, because they have this
		
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			desire and wish and intention, mashaAllah.
		
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			So, I was really hoping that in this
		
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			session, you could share with us, first of
		
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			all, a little bit about your hafidh journey,
		
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			and then some of the, perhaps, the techniques
		
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			that...
		
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			So, in the last week, for example, we
		
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			went through the discipline, the process of doing
		
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			hifth, right?
		
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			And I shared some, like, routines that people
		
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			could have for a typical day, whether they're
		
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			doing hifth in a hifth class, like after
		
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			school, or if they're doing it, you know,
		
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			at home with a tutor or online.
		
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			But it's always nice to hear from somebody
		
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			who's actually done it, you know, what was
		
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			a typical routine for you, for example, and
		
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			some techniques.
		
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			And then, if you could share with us,
		
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			please, you know, after that hifth journey has
		
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			ended, or at least once you've graduated from
		
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			memorizing the Qur'an, what does maintaining the
		
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			hifth look like?
		
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			JazakAllah khair.
		
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			Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim.
		
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			Alhamdulillahi rabbil alameen.
		
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			Wa salatu wa salamu ala Rasooli l-Kareem
		
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			wa ala Ali Musa fi jama'een.
		
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			Once again, As-salamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa
		
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			barakatuh, everyone, and jazakAllah khair for joining.
		
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			It's really nice to know that we have,
		
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			you know, parents, especially, tuning into sessions like
		
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			this, and looking ahead, or planning ahead for
		
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			their children.
		
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			Usually, the kind of hifth resources out there
		
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			are for those who are actually looking to
		
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			memorize the Qur'an themselves.
		
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			But as parents, we play a huge role.
		
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			Alhamdulillah, I myself have a daughter.
		
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			In fact, she's turning three tomorrow, insha'Allah.
		
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			So keep her in your du'as.
		
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			So it's nice to have sessions like this
		
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			where parents can, insha'Allah, look ahead.
		
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			So for me personally, my hif journey, it
		
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			actually came to an end, I mean, officially
		
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			memorising Qur'an, about 16 years ago now.
		
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			So I did it when I was fairly
		
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			young.
		
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			I started in my very early teens, in
		
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			terms of officially and formally memorising Qur'an.
		
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			My journey began a little bit earlier than
		
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			that, in fact, in terms of learning Qur
		
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			'an and having the motivation and the zeal
		
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			to memorise the Qur'an.
		
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			Started from a young age.
		
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			I think mainly the influence came from just
		
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			listening to a lot of reciters, wanting to
		
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			memorise the Qur'an, wanting to recite like
		
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			them.
		
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			So I would listen to a lot of,
		
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			you know, back then, just going back maybe
		
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			two decades, this was in the Haram, you
		
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			really only knew two reciters.
		
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			That was either Sheikh Abdulrahman Al-Sudeis or
		
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			Sheikh Al-Shuraim.
		
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			And those are your two classical reciters, the
		
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			voices of the Haram back then.
		
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			And just listening to lots of reciters and
		
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			wanting to memorise the Qur'an.
		
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			So alhamdulillah, for me personally, although, as I
		
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			mentioned very shortly, my parents had a huge,
		
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			huge role, but the actual initial desire to
		
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			memorise the Qur'an, that actually came from
		
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			me.
		
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			So it wasn't that my parents pushed me
		
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			or anyone asked me or, you know, or
		
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			brought it up to me.
		
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			It actually came as a huge shock to
		
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			my parents.
		
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			And I'll tell you why, because just to
		
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			give a bit of background, so I grew
		
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			up in a town or a city called
		
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			Exeter.
		
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			That's in Devon, so southwest of England, quite
		
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			far, especially if you're from the major cities
		
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			like London and Birmingham and so on.
		
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			So further down south, this is, you know,
		
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			a 99 point something percent, you know, white
		
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			population, non-Muslims.
		
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			I mean, I was like the only, you
		
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			know, Muslim in school, as they say, you
		
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			know, only, only, you know, brown face in
		
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			school and, you know, very few Muslims at
		
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			the time, very few Muslims.
		
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			The masjid that we had at the time,
		
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			like many small towns, just like a small
		
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			house, if that, and, you know, very small,
		
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			tight-knit community.
		
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			So that was my kind of upbringing.
		
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			So, you know, being brought up in a
		
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			fairly remote part of the country, having, alhamdulillah,
		
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			still had access to a masjid, small Muslim
		
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			community, but very different to what perhaps, you
		
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			know, those in major cities are accustomed to
		
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			growing up in.
		
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			So that was my kind of thing.
		
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			So now at the time, you know, things
		
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			have changed now, but at the time when
		
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			I was growing up, this is going back,
		
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			you know, like I said, more than two
		
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			decades ago, you know, there wasn't, I mean,
		
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			the masjid offered the daily prayers.
		
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			There were some basic classes, you know, of
		
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			course, just learning the Arabic alphabet and some
		
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			basic Islamic studies.
		
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			But definitely in terms of like hiv and
		
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			things like that, there were no facilities for
		
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			these kinds of things.
		
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			So for me, the only option was to
		
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			move to a different city within the UK.
		
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			And it just so happened that we knew
		
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			a few people based in Leicester in the
		
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			Midlands.
		
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			And my father then made the decision because,
		
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			I mean, I wasn't the kind of kid
		
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			who was happy to go to a boarding
		
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			school.
		
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			So that was option A, go to a
		
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			boarding school.
		
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			For me, I wasn't happy to do that.
		
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			I mean, I was, you know, probably 10,
		
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			11 at the time.
		
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			I didn't want to go to a boarding
		
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			school.
		
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			I couldn't leave my family behind.
		
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			So initially what I did was I moved
		
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			to London for like a year and a
		
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			bit with my khala, so with my aunt.
		
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			And I just studied in London whilst living
		
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			with her.
		
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			But then again, I got homesick, went back
		
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			to Exeter.
		
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			And then my parents made the decision, my
		
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			father, like to leave everything behind and to
		
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			literally move, relocate from Exeter to Leicester, which
		
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			is, I mean, it's a huge move because
		
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			my parents had been there for many years
		
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			by this point.
		
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			My dad's got his work and everything, business,
		
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			everything there.
		
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			So he actually left everything behind, moved to
		
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			Leicester, brand new territory for us.
		
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			We had no relatives there.
		
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			We just had a few family friends.
		
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			That was it in Leicester.
		
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			And literally had to get a new home,
		
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			like rent a home, get a new job,
		
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			get a new everything, just restart life once
		
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			again, just because of my desire to memorize
		
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			the Quran.
		
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			So I'll never forget the sacrifice, especially my
		
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			father made, you know, for me just to
		
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			go there.
		
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			So now I'm like in my, as I
		
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			said, I'm probably like 12 years old now,
		
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			13 years old.
		
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			You know, I'm in secondary school.
		
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			So I enrolled in an Islamic school during
		
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			the day.
		
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			And then in the evenings, I'm now going
		
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			to madrasa.
		
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			So it's a fairly busy schedule.
		
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			So it's all day there.
		
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			And then in the evenings, I'm at madrasa
		
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			for at least, let's say three hours or
		
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			so.
		
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			That's the kind of normal schedule for us,
		
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			right?
		
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			Two and a half, three hours is minimum
		
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			that you're there in the evenings.
		
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			And that's where officially, like I said, formally
		
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			my journey, it began at a young age
		
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			and I completed my jurisdiction within about just
		
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			over three years.
		
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			So Alhamdulillah, by the time I finished my,
		
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			or was coming to the end of my
		
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			GCSEs, I was about 15 years old then.
		
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			That's when I finished my jurisdiction.
		
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			And once I finished and I stayed after
		
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			a few months and did my revision and
		
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			things, then my family made the decision to
		
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			move back again to Exeter.
		
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			So that's when they moved and everything after
		
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			that was all on me.
		
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			So then even when we did Alimiyah and
		
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			we went to Ibrahim College, like, you know,
		
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			again, that feels like, you know, a long,
		
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			long time ago now.
		
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			But that was, again, that was me having
		
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			to move, again, away from family, made a
		
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			solo move to London to study and I
		
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			lived in London for seven, eight years.
		
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			So there's a lot of moving back and
		
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			forth, Alhamdulillah.
		
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			But I guess the blessing of the UK
		
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			is that, you know, you have the option
		
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			to do that.
		
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			I mean, it's not a huge move.
		
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			Like in America, if you're going from state
		
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			to state, for us, you know, it's a
		
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			long journey, but three and a half hours,
		
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			four hours, you know, it's really not, it's
		
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			not too bad when you think of it,
		
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			you know, because in the UK we have
		
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			these options.
		
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			So Alhamdulillah, that's essentially what we did.
		
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			I spent those years in Leicester.
		
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			So I was young.
		
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			I had the advantage of being young, you
		
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			know, being in school, less kind of things
		
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			going on for me.
		
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			So as they say, the younger you are,
		
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			you know, the easier it is to memorize.
		
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			And it's so true.
		
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			Like, you know, if I was to try
		
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			to memorize now, although it's not impossible, and
		
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			I always tell the story of how, you
		
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			know, it was almost like an anomaly that
		
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			in our class of students who are all
		
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			similar age, you know, in our early teens,
		
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			we had one, you know, uncle we used
		
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			to call him.
		
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			Uncle, I think his name was Abdul Rashid.
		
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			And he used to come to the class
		
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			as well.
		
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			His own children used to come to the
		
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			madrasa.
		
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			It just shows you, right.
		
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			But he had a desire to become a
		
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			hafidh as well.
		
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			So although he started many years before us,
		
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			like maybe two, three years before us, he
		
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			didn't finish until maybe two, three years after
		
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			us.
		
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			It took him a lot longer, more than
		
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			double the time.
		
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			But every day he would be there without
		
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			fail.
		
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			He'd come late because of work and things.
		
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			He would come at least an hour late,
		
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			but he was there every single day.
		
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			I remember he showed up every single day.
		
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			And that's like an inspiration for parents or
		
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			those who think that, oh, well, I'm older.
		
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			So I can't do it.
		
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			And just off that, I always give the
		
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			example of the, you know, the sahaba.
		
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			Most of them weren't very young when the
		
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			Qur'an was actually revealed.
		
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			I mean, the Prophet himself was 40 when
		
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			the Qur'an first started to be revealed.
		
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			And then the majority of it, like the
		
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			Madani surahs were like in Medina, which is
		
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			like almost 13, 14 years later.
		
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			So, you know, these companions, I mean, they
		
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			were like in their 40s, 50s, 60s trying
		
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			to memorize the Qur'an.
		
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			So it's not impossible.
		
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			It's not impossible.
		
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			You know, and we have examples of this
		
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			today of people who are memorizing.
		
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			So anyway, that's just me giving a little
		
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			bit of my background in terms of where
		
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			it began for me.
		
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			Can I just ask you something quickly?
		
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			Because you just said, I mean, three years.
		
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			That's actually not very long.
		
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			Like compared to like, say, my sons, actually,
		
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			they took a lot longer and they started,
		
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			one of them started when he was like
		
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			eight or nine.
		
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			OK.
		
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			And he finished just before his GCSEs.
		
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			And the other started a bit later and
		
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			then he took a break at GCSE and
		
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			continued later.
		
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			So I just want to ask you, like,
		
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			what do you think the reason for that
		
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			was?
		
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			Like, that was quite, that's quite rapid.
		
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			Like, what had you done before you started?
		
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			So before I had started, I had been
		
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			to like madrasa and I had memorized some
		
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			like surahs, like, you know, like the surahs
		
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			Yasin and the surah Mulk.
		
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			Like I started with that.
		
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			And I believe, oh yeah, yeah, interesting story.
		
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			So I unofficially had memorized Juz 30 and
		
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			Juz 29, just from listening to the recitation
		
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			of it.
		
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			Again, this was like maybe when I was
		
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			10, 11 years old.
		
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			I just used to listen like almost every
		
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			single day, just used to be playing in
		
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			the background.
		
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			And I just memorized those two Juz.
		
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			So I had some exposure.
		
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			I wasn't like straight into it.
		
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			But I mean, back then, I mean, what
		
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			I used to be told was the average
		
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			was about three years.
		
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			So that's kind of what you're aiming for.
		
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			When you're being told that, that's what the
		
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			average, you're kind of aiming for.
		
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			And I think it comes down to the
		
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			level of commitment.
		
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			So I don't know about like your sons
		
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			Ustada, but like for us, like I said,
		
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			I mean, it was minimum three hours every
		
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			evening, including some Saturdays.
		
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			Like I remember like a lot of Saturdays
		
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			we used to go in.
		
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			So it was fairly intense.
		
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			It was fairly intense.
		
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			But having said that, I mean, we did
		
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			pick up quite a lot.
		
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			Like as we progressed, you know, that one
		
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			page a day would, you know, gradually become
		
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			two pages.
		
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			I just became the norm every single day,
		
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			two pages, sometimes even more.
		
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			So, yeah, I don't know.
		
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			Maybe it's because of level of commitment.
		
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			I don't know if, I don't know if
		
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			that's what it comes down to or not.
		
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			Insha'Allah, that's excellent.
		
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			Yeah, so, yeah, if you could tell us
		
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			about your, I mean, that was very inspiring,
		
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			you know, that your parents were actually willing
		
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			to physically move.
		
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			And I think that's very, there's a message
		
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			in that for parents, you know, especially our
		
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			parents who are listening and watching that if
		
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			you really want something, you know, you might
		
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			have to actually get out of your comfort
		
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			zone.
		
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			You have to show Allah that you really
		
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			want it.
		
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			And sometimes you might have to either move
		
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			house or travel, you know, whatever, whatever it
		
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			might take, right?
		
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			Absolutely.
		
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			Yeah, absolutely.
		
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			So yeah, a hundred percent.
		
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			So I think Alhamdulillah now, even in Exeter,
		
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			we have Hif classes, like we have a
		
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			purpose built Masjid.
		
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			So I think in the last 20 years,
		
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			things have changed where now in almost every
		
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			city in the UK, you have a Masjid,
		
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			you have Hif and things like that.
		
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			And you have online options now and so
		
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			on.
		
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			So there's a lot more, Alhamdulillah.
		
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			But yeah, in terms of the Hif journey
		
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			and in terms of what kind of helped
		
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			me, I think number one, being in a
		
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			madrasa, being surrounded by others who are doing
		
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			it.
		
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			I always say that environment is a huge
		
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			factor when it comes to memorization.
		
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			It's a motivating factor, especially when you're younger.
		
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			I mean, kids, you know, just love the
		
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			competition, just love, you know, they thrive off
		
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			this kind of competitive environment.
		
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			So for me, that's what it's all about,
		
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			having these friends around me who are also
		
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			memorizing and we're competing with each other and
		
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			we're trying to outdo each other.
		
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			We're trying to memorize more than one another.
		
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			And that was huge.
		
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			I mean, I know, I personally know, I
		
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			have friends and students now who are trying
		
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			to memorize and maybe they're a little bit,
		
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			you could say, older.
		
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			Maybe they're in their twenties, maybe they're in
		
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			university, maybe they're later than that.
		
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			But they honestly are, you could say, struggling
		
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			in the sense that they're just trying to
		
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			do it themselves.
		
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			You know, they're just like, they have a
		
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			tutor, maybe they're doing it online and they're
		
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			literally just, you know, memorizing themselves and doing
		
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			a bit day by day.
		
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			But they're struggling because they don't have an
		
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			environment.
		
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			It's very, very difficult.
		
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			So being in that environment and being in
		
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			a city like Leicester, especially where we were
		
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			living, I mean, mashallah, if you've been, you
		
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			know, it's surrounded by masjids and madrasas.
		
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			Everywhere you look is Muslims.
		
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			It's like Whitechapel in London or something.
		
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			You've just got Muslims everywhere.
		
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			That helps, honestly.
		
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			It really, really helps.
		
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			So being in an environment, I think number
		
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			one is, for your kids in an environment,
		
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			even if it's not the area itself, but
		
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			it's putting them in a madrasa, making sure
		
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			they have a teacher, other students, you know,
		
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			being around other aspiring hufadh.
		
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			I think this is a huge thing because
		
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			they really, really would, would want to compete
		
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			with the others.
		
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			So that's number one.
		
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			That really personally helped me.
		
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			I think the second thing that helped me
		
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			was my routine.
		
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			And again, it was, you know, this was
		
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			partly me anyway, wanting to do this, but
		
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			also my parents really, you know, they really,
		
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			you could say made sure that I stuck
		
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			to it.
		
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			So for example, on, you know, weekdays, firstly,
		
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			I would rarely get time myself to do
		
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			much in terms of like, we had a
		
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			TV.
		
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			We had, I had a games console, but
		
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			for example, my dad implemented, I could only
		
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			play on the weekend.
		
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			I only had a set time on weekends.
		
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			And to be honest, in between I didn't
		
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			have much time either.
		
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			I mean, watching TV and things, things of
		
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			that nature, I couldn't do anyway because I'd
		
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			be at school all day, come back, you
		
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			know, there's a small gap in between.
		
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			I'm like eating and trying to get ready
		
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			for madrasa.
		
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			Maybe I might see something, but that's it.
		
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			Come back.
		
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			It's too late anyway.
		
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			You need to start getting ready for bed.
		
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			So that was a good thing.
		
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			I mean, which is a challenge that I
		
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			know parents are going to look at that
		
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			now and be like, well, it's completely different
		
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			now because back then there wasn't the social
		
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			media and there wasn't the technology that we
		
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			have now on the phones and so on.
		
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			But I think that helped me a lot.
		
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			Like not having that screen time, not being
		
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			exposed to the TV and stuff.
		
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			My parents were balanced in the sense that
		
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			they let me play games, they let me
		
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			watch some TV, but it was very set.
		
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			Like it wasn't just whenever I wanted to.
		
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			It wasn't just whatever I wanted to watch.
		
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			There were set times, like I said, some
		
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			weekends.
		
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			So that helps as well.
		
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			I think that's a big thing.
		
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			So yeah, having a balance with that and
		
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			in terms of, yeah, as I was saying,
		
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			the routine, right?
		
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			So my routine was the following, you know,
		
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			the time you memorize anyway is, as you
		
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			know, is the most important thing.
		
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			The time that you allocate for memorization is
		
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			super important.
		
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			So the time that I allocated and that
		
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			I encourage anyone to, it has to be
		
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			the morning time for various reasons.
		
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			One of them being the spiritual Islamic reasoning,
		
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			which is the barakah aspect.
		
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			There's more barakah in the mornings as per
		
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			the dua of the Prophet.
		
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			Also, just, you know, in terms of practically
		
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			speaking, it is the best time.
		
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			Your mind is fresh.
		
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			You know, there's less going on.
		
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			It's quieter.
		
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			So what I would do is every evening,
		
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			this was like, you know, as I'm coming
		
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			to the end of my time at madrasa,
		
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			so I've done my reading, I've read to
		
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			my ustaz.
		
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			Now what I'd start doing already that evening,
		
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			that same evening, is I'm looking ahead at
		
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			tomorrow's, tomorrow's portion that I'm going to memorize.
		
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			And all I would do, I wouldn't try
		
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			to memorize it.
		
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			I would just look over it.
		
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			So if it's a page, as an example,
		
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			I just look over that page.
		
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			I just read it again and again.
		
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			That's it.
		
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			And then what I would do...
		
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			Do you do that in bed or like
		
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			before bed?
		
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			Before bed.
		
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			Yeah, so sometimes it would be in madrasa.
		
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			If I finished like my bit early, I've
		
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			got time now.
		
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			You can't leave early, so I'm just still
		
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			reading tomorrow's stuff.
		
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			Or if that wasn't the case, I'd come
		
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			home before bed and I'd just read over
		
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			again and again.
		
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			So I personally don't like the method of
		
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			reading one ayah and then just repeating the
		
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			ayah again and again and again and then
		
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			moving on to the next ayah.
		
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			Because for me, that disrupts the flow.
		
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			Because obviously, when you're memorizing, there has to
		
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			be a flow.
		
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			You need to go on to the next
		
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			verse, next verse.
		
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			So when I'm reading beginning to end, there's
		
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			a flow.
		
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			So that's how I memorize.
		
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			So I just read beginning to end, beginning
		
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			to end, that portion.
		
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			But I wouldn't, at any point that evening,
		
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			I would never just look away and try
		
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			to memorize it because I know my brain
		
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			is gone.
		
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			It's the end of the day.
		
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			I'm exhausted.
		
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			Just reading, that's it.
		
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			Now, when I wake up the next morning,
		
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			and without fail, I'd be up the next
		
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			morning early before going to school and things,
		
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			that's my memorization time.
		
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			And I promise you, and obviously, again, this
		
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			is the advantage of being at the young
		
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			age I was, literally within 15 minutes, 20
		
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			minutes, I'm done.
		
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			Because not just because of the morning time
		
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			and because of my age, and those are
		
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			great advantages, but it was the routine that
		
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			I had of the night before, my mind,
		
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			my brain has already absorbed.
		
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			It's already familiar with the verses.
		
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			It hasn't fully memorized, but it's familiar.
		
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			These are kind of, you know, the length
		
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			of the verses, if there's a, you know,
		
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			if there's a flow and things.
		
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			So the next morning, all I have to
		
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			do is just, I'm just looking away and
		
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			trying to memorize it.
		
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			And it happened very, very quickly.
		
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			But that required me having to wake up
		
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			earlier before school and doing that.
		
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			And the rest of the day, I'm chilling
		
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			in the sense that I'm not stressed about,
		
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			while I'm at school, I need to memorize
		
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			my portion.
		
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			And that's what a lot of people do.
		
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			And then the stress doesn't help with memorization.
		
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			So I'm done.
		
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			Now I come back from school.
		
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			I go to Madarassa and I know my
		
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			part.
		
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			I've got it there because I did it
		
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			in the morning.
		
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			So, and obviously, you know, I'm not saying
		
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			that I was always super disciplined.
		
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			Obviously, your parents also keep you, have to
		
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			keep you, make sure that you're on track.
		
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			You're up in the morning.
		
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			You have memorized it.
		
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			Even I remember, by the way, till this
		
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			day.
		
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			So I don't know how, if Madarassa's do
		
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			this today, but we used to have like
		
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			a diary and every day it says on
		
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			the diary, okay, if you've read your portion,
		
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			was it good to be rated fair, good,
		
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			or like very good or something like that,
		
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			depending on how you did it.
		
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			So there's a diary every day.
		
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			And my dad, every single day would check
		
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			it like every day.
		
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			And he'd be like, so why was it
		
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			just good today for?
		
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			Why was it?
		
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			Why was it fair?
		
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			You know, and, and he'd question me all
		
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			the time.
		
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			So that kind of like, there's that accountability
		
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			there.
		
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			Like, I don't want to disappoint dad.
		
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			I mean, I don't want to disappoint myself.
		
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			Like I was competitive, so I wanted to
		
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			do it.
		
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			But then it was like, oh my God,
		
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			I'm going to be questioned.
		
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			He's going to put me under pressure and
		
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			things.
		
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			So having the, having my parents in the
		
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			background, whether it's with my routine, whether it's
		
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			checking up my progress and he would, whenever
		
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			he'd get an opportunity, speak to my old
		
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			stuff and find out how I'm doing.
		
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			I think especially for my dad, because of
		
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			the sacrifice he made, moving cities and things,
		
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			like for him, it was a big thing.
		
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			Like I've, I've made this move.
		
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			You need to make sure you do this.
		
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			You came of your own accord.
		
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			You wanted to do this.
		
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			So you need to like ace this, right?
		
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			So I think that was a, maybe, maybe
		
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			because I didn't want to, maybe, I think
		
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			it also comes down to, you know, like
		
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			when you don't have the opportunities, like how
		
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			I didn't have the opportunity where I grew
		
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			up in my hometown.
		
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			I think you appreciate it more when you
		
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			don't have the opportunity.
		
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			So when you get it, like you do
		
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			want to make sure that you make the
		
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			most out of it.
		
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			So having the presence of the parents there,
		
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			obviously you don't want to put too much
		
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			pressure on the child.
		
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			So like if there's too much pressure, if
		
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			you're like every day looking over them, you're
		
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			not giving them, you know, just the freedom
		
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			because you want to make sure that they
		
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			want to do it for themselves.
		
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			So you don't want to put so much
		
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			pressure that it only becomes about the parents.
		
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			Like, I think there was enough pressure on
		
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			me, but not too much that it was
		
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			like, I don't want to do this anymore.
		
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			You know, this is not something I want
		
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			to do.
		
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			It's just something I'm doing for the sake
		
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			of my parents.
		
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			And I remember having a colleague there, you
		
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			know, young boy younger than me, who literally,
		
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			I mean, he used to say quite bluntly
		
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			that I'm only here because my dad wants
		
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			me to be here.
		
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			And every day he'd just be upset.
		
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			So you don't want your kids to be
		
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			in that position.
		
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			You just want to make sure that there's
		
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			enough, your presence is there.
		
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			There's a bit of pressure there, but at
		
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			the same time, you need to let them
		
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			do their thing.
		
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			You know, even if a few days go
		
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			by where the progress isn't great, you have
		
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			to look at long-term, long-term.
		
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			So not just like, oh, today wasn't great.
		
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			I mean, it must mean the whole thing
		
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			is falling into, you know, everything's crashing and
		
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			coming, coming apart.
		
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			No, no, it's fine.
		
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			Let them have their bad days, the off
		
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			days.
		
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			It's okay.
		
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			Just make sure that, that doesn't become a
		
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			consistent thing.
		
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			What are your reflections on the end of
		
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			your HIF?
		
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			Like, I know some people say the end
		
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			of the HIF is the beginning, you know,
		
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			in some way, but the time when you
		
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			were graduating, for example, if you could share,
		
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			like, what was that like?
		
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			Did, did anything change in the way you
		
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			were doing HIF, et cetera?
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			So, firstly, I just want to say, by
		
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			the way, that alhamdulillah, like, till this day,
		
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			even though I finished my HIF, like I
		
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			said, about 16 or so years ago, till
		
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			this day, I still look back at it,
		
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			especially my time while I was doing HIF.
		
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			It was actually the most enjoyable days of
		
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			my life.
		
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			Honestly, like, I look back at it, and
		
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			I really miss those days.
		
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			And even in terms of achievements, like I
		
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			would put HIF up there, even, even before
		
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			Alimiyah, and all of these things, like, HIF,
		
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			I just felt like it was such an
		
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			amazing blessing, like, to be able to memorize
		
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			Quran.
		
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			And by the way, when I, when I
		
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			went into Alimiyah, like at the time, I
		
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			remember it was only me and one other
		
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			brother, from the brothers anyway, who were hafidh
		
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			of Quran.
		
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			And I automatically, by the way, saw when
		
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			we started studying Arabic and things, like, we
		
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			had an edge over other students, because, you
		
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			know, you've just, you've got the ayat there.
		
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			So when you're studying Arabic, it's like, oh,
		
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			I can, this word is already in the
		
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			Quran.
		
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			I can create links straight away.
		
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			So there is a huge advantage with, with
		
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			HIF before Alimiyah and things, which is a
		
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			separate thing.
		
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			But, so looking back, honestly, I have very
		
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			fond memories.
		
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			I, I loved every moment of it, Alhamdulillah.
		
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			I think that's a huge blessing, for kids
		
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			to actually enjoy, make it enjoyable for them,
		
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			make, you know, it should be an enjoyable
		
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			process.
		
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			Especially when they've got school and other things,
		
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			happening at the same time.
		
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			But yeah, when I came to the end
		
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			of it, so what I always say is,
		
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			you know, the kind of, the, the year
		
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			or two that follow, your graduation or your
		
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			completion of HIF, are the most essential.
		
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			So, if you kind of slack off in
		
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			this following year, after HIF, then I found,
		
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			that, the retention rate is very, very low,
		
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			and people really struggle, the Hufadh really struggle.
		
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			It's literally like, you know, it's just about,
		
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			they're holding on to it, their HIF.
		
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			But, the year or two that follow, if
		
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			you, continue, so for example, after I finished
		
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			my HIF, I still had a few months
		
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			before we, left, before we left and returned
		
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			to Exeter.
		
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			So, I was still going to madrasa every
		
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			single day, doing one juz a day, or
		
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			something like that, you know, reading back to
		
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			my teacher.
		
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			And even when I moved back to Exeter,
		
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			there were, there were teachers that I had,
		
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			that every, every day, or every other day,
		
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			I would read to them.
		
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			And, obviously I started, the other thing was,
		
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			Taraweeh.
		
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			So, in Ramadan, which was again, a dream
		
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			of mine.
		
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			I always wanted to lead Taraweeh, when I
		
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			was younger.
		
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			So, I had the opportunity straight away, because
		
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			in, in my local masjid, we didn't have,
		
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			homegrown Hufadh.
		
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			We had to get Hufadh, from other cities.
		
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			So, I was actually like the first, in
		
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			my whole like, city or area.
		
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			So, I had a, I had an open
		
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			door for me.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			Bismillah.
		
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			Even though you're 15, whatever, 16, you start
		
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			leading.
		
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			So, I was fresh.
		
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			Did your dad, or someone put you forward
		
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			for that?
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			I mean, he put me forward.
		
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			He's very heavily involved with the masjid.
		
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			But I think, No, I think that's great,
		
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			because it shows that, sometimes as parents, we
		
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			do have to, you know, like, seek out
		
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			those opportunities, and those types of things.
		
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			Yeah, yeah.
		
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			So, yeah, I mean, he found the teachers
		
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			for me.
		
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			Obviously, when you're that young, I didn't know
		
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			who to, who to read to.
		
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			So, he found those teachers for me.
		
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			There's only a few people in Exeter, that
		
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			I could have read to.
		
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			He found those people for me.
		
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			He, he made sure that I got the
		
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			opportunity, to lead, Tarawih.
		
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			And, yeah.
		
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			So, so, Tarawih, obviously, is a different topic,
		
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			but I do want to just emphasize that,
		
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			when you're of age, as a boy, especially,
		
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			you have the opportunity to lead Tarawih.
		
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			That is, for any Hafidh, you ask, that
		
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			has led Tarawih, it's like, the best time,
		
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			best opportunity for revision, not only for yourself.
		
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			Because, you could do Tarawih, but, you could
		
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			only, maybe just do like, two Rakat, four
		
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			Rakat, that's it, out of 20.
		
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			Because, you know, you might be in a
		
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			city, where there's loads of others.
		
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			That's okay.
		
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			But, you know, like, for example, like myself,
		
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			like, we only had one other Imam.
		
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			So, I had to do, minimum 10 Rakat.
		
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			And then, the other 10, you have to
		
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			like, know, right?
		
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			Because, you're one of the only few, who
		
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			could correct.
		
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			So, from a young age, I was used
		
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			to leading 10.
		
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			And other Hufadh, I remember hearing that, they
		
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			were like, whoa, how are you doing 10?
		
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			Like, we're used to doing four.
		
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			I was used to, I was like, what
		
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			really?
		
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			10?
		
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			I'm just happy, I'm not doing the whole
		
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			20.
		
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			You know, like, 10 is okay for me.
		
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			you're preparing for that, right?
		
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			Oh, yeah.
		
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			It's like preparing for a performance, in a
		
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			way, right?
		
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			Like, any performance, you, it's a different level
		
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			of preparation, than if you're just, it's just
		
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			natural for it to be, you know, high
		
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			pressure and, yeah.
		
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			And if you're talking 10 Rakat, you're basically,
		
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			we're talking half a Juz minimum, right?
		
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			It's basically half a Juz, which, that's a
		
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			lot of Quran, to prepare, to, I use
		
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			the word, I use it lightly, but to
		
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			perfection, almost like, you've got to know, starting,
		
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			stopping, and like, this is in Salah, it's
		
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			a lot of pressure.
		
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			So I took, yeah, I took that preparation
		
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			very, very seriously.
		
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			So Ramadan was like, huge pressure, but it
		
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			was good pressure.
		
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			And that revision was, was amazing.
		
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			So yeah, Salah is something, separate thing, but
		
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			I think every Hafidh, needs to get that
		
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			experience.
		
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			But, coming back to the, coming back to
		
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			like, the, the post, you know, completion of,
		
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			of Hif, yeah.
		
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			So because that was solid, the year or
		
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			two that followed, it was solid.
		
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			I was reading every day, I was revising,
		
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			I was reading to a teacher.
		
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			Alhamdulillah, in the years, you know, ahead, it
		
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			was really like, my life was a lot
		
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			easier.
		
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			So even if I, you know, quote unquote,
		
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			slapped off a little bit, like it wasn't
		
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			the end of the world, like I could
		
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			easily go back again, and just continue.
		
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			Or if I read a little bit less,
		
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			than I should be, it was easy.
		
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			And then Ramadan would come around, it's like
		
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			fresh again, and so on.
		
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			But, yeah, like I said, there's, there's a
		
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			lot of friends of mine, who didn't take
		
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			those following years, subsequent years, seriously enough.
		
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			And then they really struggled.
		
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			And they, and some of them had to
		
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			like, literally restart, again, you know.
		
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			So yeah, I would just say, don't, like
		
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			when it comes to an end, great, it's
		
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			a huge accomplishment, huge achievement.
		
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			But, please don't get overexcited, even with your
		
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			kids, for parents even, and be like, okay,
		
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			Alhamdulillah, my kids are like, you know, even
		
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			outside of Hib, there's parents who, want their
		
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			child to do Khatam, of the Quran, in
		
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			the madrasah.
		
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			So they've read to a teacher, they've done
		
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			Khatam.
		
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			It's like the day they've completed, and done
		
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			the Khatam, it's like, okay, let's pull my
		
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			child up, because they've accomplished it.
		
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			So with Hib, you can't do that.
		
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			You can't be like, okay, they finished, that's
		
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			it, you know, let's move on now.
		
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			No, keep them in there, or find another
		
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			institute, which is just, you know, find another
		
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			teacher, that's just going to listen, to their
		
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			revision, and make sure that, following year or
		
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			two, is just based on revision.
		
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			Then I promise you, after that, not that
		
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			they should, stop reading or anything, but as
		
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			in, you can take it easy, after that.
		
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			It's there, it's pretty much, you know, it's
		
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			pretty much, inshallah, you know, less kind of
		
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			chance, of losing it, inshallah.
		
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			And so, all these years later now, you
		
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			said 16 years, right?
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			Could you just give us, an idea of
		
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			like, what is a typical, I don't know,
		
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			annual, practice for you, or, yeah, you know,
		
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			is there something, that you're doing, every year,
		
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			now, to maintain the hiv?
		
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			So, for me, I mean, every day goes
		
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			without saying, there's, there's, recitation, there's, revision, happening
		
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			for me.
		
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			Obviously, as you get busier, when you're, when
		
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			you're a little bit older, you can't maintain,
		
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			as you would have, but, for me, I
		
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			have to be reading, every single day, I
		
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			have to be doing khatam, regularly, as regularly
		
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			as I can, that's for my own, that's
		
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			just for my own, kind of, retention and
		
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			things.
		
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			Obviously, taraweeh, is still there, you know, on
		
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			a yearly basis, alhamdulillah, so, you know, maybe
		
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			COVID years I missed, couple of years here
		
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			and there, maybe there was like a miss,
		
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			but, pretty much I think at least, you
		
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			know, in the, out of those 16 years,
		
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			I'm pretty sure, you know, 12, 13 odd
		
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			years of taraweeh, and again, like it was
		
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			to that level of, I was used to
		
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			doing 10 or 8, or something like that,
		
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			it wasn't just a few here and there,
		
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			so, that helped, the daily revision helped, so,
		
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			that's, that's generally how it is, I mean,
		
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			you know, when it's that long later, 15
		
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			years plus 10, 15 years later, it's just
		
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			a case of, as long as you're doing
		
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			regular khatams, you know, you're trying to do
		
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			minimum, you know, one juz a day, if
		
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			not some days, maybe half juz, but you're,
		
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			you're catching up whenever you can, that's the
		
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			main thing, and like I said, that only,
		
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			I can only attribute, that down to, bring
		
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			that down to my, those years that I
		
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			referred to, following the hifz, like, that's why,
		
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			consolidation, exactly, yeah, that's what helped a lot.
		
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			And when you say, doing a khatam, do
		
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			you, like now, would it be like, looking
		
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			at the mushaf, or just, like, how, how
		
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			would that work for you?
		
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			I think generally, it is looking into mushaf,
		
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			yeah, it's generally looking into mushaf, yeah, because
		
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			there's a certain photographic element to it, isn't
		
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			there?
		
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			Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't want to lose
		
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			that, but yeah, I think, naturally, as a
		
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			hafidh, I mean, you're going to be, you're
		
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			going to do some bits, you know, looking
		
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			in, some bits looking away, naturally, that's how
		
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			it is, but there's no harm in looking
		
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			in, which is all reinforcing now, whatever you've
		
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			already memorised, yeah.
		
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			Jazakallah khayran.
		
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			So, I'm going to, let our brothers and
		
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			sisters, our parents, who are joining us, who
		
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			have joined us, ask any questions they have
		
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			of you.
		
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			So, brothers and sisters, if you have any
		
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			questions, please do either type them in the
		
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			chat box, or if you would like, you
		
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			could always raise your hand or, you know,
		
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			just let me know and you can ask
		
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			them verbally.
		
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			In the meantime, I want to ask you,
		
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			Astaghfirullah al-Shabir, are you thinking about Hifadh
		
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			for your own children?
		
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			Insha'Allah.
		
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			Good question, insha'Allah.
		
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			I mean, it's something that I would, of
		
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			course, you know, which parent wouldn't want that,
		
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			but I'm always, you know, so, I'm very
		
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			big on, insha'Allah, you know, I'm not
		
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			the most experienced parent here, but I'm very
		
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			big on instilling love of something, especially the
		
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			Deen within a child and the character and
		
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			things like that.
		
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			That's what I'm very big on.
		
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			So I want to make sure that my
		
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			daughter, as an example, has a genuine love
		
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			and appreciation for these things.
		
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			So before the Hifadh, I think that's what
		
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			I want to focus on, is that there's
		
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			a genuine love for the Deen, genuine love
		
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			for, you know, wanting to pray, wanting to,
		
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			you know, having an attachment to these things.
		
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			So that's my, actually, starting point for me.
		
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			And then Hifadh, of course, I would love
		
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			to.
		
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			And we already, you know, as kids, it's
		
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			amazing, insha'Allah, where you think that they're
		
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			too young, you know, to learn something.
		
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			But then, actually, even at the age of
		
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			two, you know, like these young, tender ages,
		
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			they can easily memorize things and they pick
		
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			things up.
		
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			So, even if they don't memorize fully, verbatim,
		
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			they can pick up the endings of things.
		
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			So, like, right now, if I were to,
		
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			like, my daughter doesn't know Ayatul Kursi, but
		
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			if I start it for her and I
		
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			say Allahu la ilaha illa huwal she can
		
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			say al hayyul qayyum.
		
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			Like, she can say that or fatiha or
		
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			things.
		
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			yeah, Hifadh does not have to be a
		
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			formal journey of, okay, when they're at a
		
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			particular age, let's enroll them in a madrasa
		
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			and now they start the Hifadh journey.
		
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			Like, you can start the Hifadh journey from
		
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			way before yourself, just on basic surahs, like
		
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			I said, just reciting it to them.
		
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			Or, you know how I mentioned when I
		
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			was, like, 10, 11, I memorized Juz 29,
		
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			Juz 30, just by listening.
		
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			So, have the Qur'an just playing in
		
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			your house.
		
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			That's already, they're going to, I promise you,
		
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			they'll pick it up.
		
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			If they can pick up, you know, Coco
		
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			Melon and songs and nursery rhymes, they can
		
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			pick up the Qur'an just as easy.
		
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			So, I think that's, that's going to be
		
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			my focus now at this age that she's
		
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			at, is just picking up as much as
		
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			she can.
		
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			So that, inshallah, when it comes to that
		
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			time, you know, bismillah, should be a lot
		
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			easier, hopefully, inshallah.
		
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			Yeah, you've mentioned some of the things that
		
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			we mentioned in week one when we talked
		
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			about, oh sorry, week two, where we talk
		
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			about setting the firm foundations, putting the firm
		
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			foundations into place.
		
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			And one of those things is developing their
		
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			relationship with Allah, and of course, hence with
		
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			the Qur'an.
		
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			Because once they understand what the Qur'an
		
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			is, you know, that obviously increases a child's
		
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			reverence and motivation, et cetera.
		
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			And then secondly, as you said, like laying
		
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			the groundwork in the early years.
		
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			In fact, one of the things we've, I've
		
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			been advocating is focusing on Juz Amma and
		
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			reading, you know, because those two things, if
		
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			a child gets to a stage where they
		
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			read the whole Qur'an, for example, they
		
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			become that fluent and they memorize Juz Amma
		
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			with you, you have sort of got like
		
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			some proof in a way that you, you
		
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			know, that child can do it.
		
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			They have the ability to do it.
		
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			And I think, and also they've had a
		
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			taster, et cetera.
		
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			So, yeah.
		
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			So we've got some questions.
		
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			So let me, let me just go straight
		
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			to them.
		
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			Sister Maharaj is asking, what advice would you
		
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			give to a teenager who's memorizing, but he's
		
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			less confident with his hifth?
		
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			He doesn't like reciting out loud.
		
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			He stumbles a lot, but he says he
		
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			wants to memorize.
		
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			He's taught online.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Right.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			So, I mean, the first thing that stood
		
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			out to me from that question is the
		
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			fact that the sister mentioned that he wants
		
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			to memorize.
		
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			He says he wants to memorize.
		
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			So I think that's a huge positive already.
		
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			Alhamdulillah.
		
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			If he wants to memorize, that's a great
		
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			thing.
		
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			And that, hopefully that desire will get him
		
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			to the finish line.
		
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			Inshallah.
		
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			Even if it's a little bit slower, it's
		
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			not the progress you wanted.
		
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			It's okay.
		
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			The main thing is he wants to and
		
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			Inshallah, that's, that's a huge plus point.
		
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			So that's a good starting point.
		
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			Apart from that, look, things like confidence, reciting
		
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			out loud, it's, it doesn't come natural to
		
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			everyone.
		
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			Even for someone like me, even till now,
		
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			I actually, I actually, I don't, I don't,
		
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			I don't consider myself like a reciter.
		
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			So, you know, you have certain individuals who
		
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			are known for their recitation.
		
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			I don't consider myself to be a reciter.
		
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			So that's not my strong point in the
		
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			sense of reciting in and of itself.
		
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			Like Alhamdulillah, we study tajweed and things to
		
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			an advanced level, but I still wouldn't consider
		
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			myself to be a priority or a reciter.
		
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			So some kids' confidence, it comes over time.
		
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			Some, they need to really develop it.
		
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			So for example, like I would really recommend
		
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			your son to listen, if he's not already,
		
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			but listening to a variety of reciters.
		
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			And I remember I used to like literally
		
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			try to imitate them or, you know, just
		
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			repeat after them or read along with them.
		
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			He can just do that in his room,
		
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			locked away.
		
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			Like I didn't do this in front of
		
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			anyone.
		
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			I'd be embarrassed.
		
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			But I just remember like sometimes just putting
		
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			on the seat back then, just put in
		
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			a CD and just listen in my own
		
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			room and just read.
		
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			No one's there.
		
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			No one's around.
		
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			So just doing a lot of practice by
		
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			himself.
		
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			No one needs to listen.
		
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			No one needs to be around him.
		
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			That's okay.
		
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			Right.
		
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			So the stumbling and thing, I'm not concerned
		
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			about that.
		
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			Because over time, the more accustomed you become
		
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			to reading and memorizing, the more you memorize,
		
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			the better you get with that.
		
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			I think it's just about the practice by
		
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			listening to as many reciters as he can.
		
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			So look, confidence.
		
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			And also you mentioned that he's taught online.
		
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			So perhaps, you know, this is a factor,
		
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			which is obviously he's just probably by himself,
		
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			you know, in front of his teachers online.
		
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			And it can sometimes be a little bit
		
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			awkward because, you know, when you're in a
		
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			madrasa where there's like 30 other kids in
		
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			the room reading, you get away with reading
		
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			out loud.
		
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			Do you see what I mean?
		
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			You get desensitized to it.
		
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			Yeah, yeah.
		
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			You're just reading and whatever.
		
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			But when you're by yourself, when you're reading
		
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			and it's quiet in the room, I can
		
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			understand.
		
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			For a kid, it can be a little
		
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			bit awkward.
		
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			So maybe there needs to be, you know,
		
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			if we can find a way where he
		
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			can be given his own space where he
		
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			doesn't feel like, oh, people are watching over
		
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			me or listening to me, just me and
		
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			my teacher, that would be good.
		
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			But like I said, outside of the class
		
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			time, if he just, even just puts earphones
		
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			in.
		
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			So, you know, like when you put earphones
		
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			in, you can't hear, it kind of blocks
		
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			everything out and listen to the reciter and
		
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			just read along, something like that to give
		
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			him that confidence, inshallah.
		
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			But, you know, honestly, because he's a teenager,
		
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			also, it's natural, you know, to have this
		
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			kind of like more, you know, what's the
		
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			word?
		
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			Like more kind of, a little bit more
		
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			conscious, right?
		
00:42:00 --> 00:42:02
			At that age of, you know, how I'm
		
00:42:02 --> 00:42:03
			coming across and things.
		
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			I think it's natural.
		
00:42:05 --> 00:42:08
			So I think, to be honest, sister, this
		
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			issue is not actually a major issue, like
		
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			the confidence or stumbling and being a teenager.
		
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			I think it's just natural.
		
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			It comes with the package.
		
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			It's okay.
		
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			As long as he wants to recite, he's
		
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			still trying, you know, I promise he'll be
		
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			okay, inshallah.
		
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			It's not a case of like, you're not
		
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			saying to me, well, he's struggling to even
		
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			memorize or he doesn't want to do it
		
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			anymore and he's not even motivated to.
		
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			If you've got the motivation and desire, that's
		
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			okay.
		
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			The other things, there's ways, like I said,
		
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			just try and see if he can recite
		
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			himself and so on, have his own space,
		
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			inshallah, I think he should be okay.
		
00:42:42 --> 00:42:43
			We have a question here.
		
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			What would you recommend for female, a female
		
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			hafidhah consolidating, given they don't lead taraweeh in
		
00:42:53 --> 00:42:54
			the local masjids?
		
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			Yeah, good question.
		
00:42:55 --> 00:42:56
			So I knew this was going to come
		
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			up because I emphasize a lot on the,
		
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			on the taraweeh point.
		
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			And obviously at the back of my mind,
		
00:43:01 --> 00:43:02
			I'm thinking, of course, there's a lot of
		
00:43:02 --> 00:43:07
			girls who won't have the opportunity to recite,
		
00:43:07 --> 00:43:09
			you know, in public in a masjid and
		
00:43:09 --> 00:43:09
			things.
		
00:43:09 --> 00:43:10
			So that's fine.
		
00:43:10 --> 00:43:13
			Okay, well, who said that they can't, they
		
00:43:13 --> 00:43:15
			can't lead at home, you know, as in
		
00:43:15 --> 00:43:18
			just alongside yourself, as a mum, as an
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:20
			example, like, you know, why can't you give
		
00:43:20 --> 00:43:22
			them some kind of platform?
		
00:43:23 --> 00:43:24
			You know, that's one way.
		
00:43:25 --> 00:43:26
			So just, you know.
		
00:43:26 --> 00:43:27
			Because you don't have to do taraweeh in
		
00:43:27 --> 00:43:28
			the masjid, like.
		
00:43:28 --> 00:43:29
			Exactly, yeah.
		
00:43:29 --> 00:43:29
			Yeah.
		
00:43:30 --> 00:43:31
			So give them some kind of platform, make
		
00:43:31 --> 00:43:33
			Ramadan special for them where it's like, oh,
		
00:43:33 --> 00:43:34
			by the way, you're going to be leading.
		
00:43:35 --> 00:43:37
			And, you know, even, by the way, whilst
		
00:43:37 --> 00:43:40
			they're, whilst it's a nafl as well, you
		
00:43:40 --> 00:43:42
			know, it's a sunnah or a nafl.
		
00:43:42 --> 00:43:44
			So it's not like a fart where you
		
00:43:44 --> 00:43:45
			can, you can make them lead.
		
00:43:45 --> 00:43:46
			It's not a problem.
		
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			And also, it doesn't mean that they, you
		
00:43:49 --> 00:43:51
			know, she has to do it once she's
		
00:43:51 --> 00:43:51
			finished her hafidh.
		
00:43:51 --> 00:43:53
			You know, if she's memorized like seven, eight
		
00:43:53 --> 00:43:54
			juz, she can start with that.
		
00:43:55 --> 00:43:56
			You know, you can just read a quarter
		
00:43:56 --> 00:43:57
			juz a night.
		
00:43:57 --> 00:43:58
			That's enough.
		
00:43:58 --> 00:43:59
			You'll cover the whole of Ramadan.
		
00:43:59 --> 00:44:00
			So, yeah.
		
00:44:00 --> 00:44:02
			So give them, give them a platform, inshallah.
		
00:44:02 --> 00:44:03
			That's number one.
		
00:44:04 --> 00:44:06
			Number two, of course, everything else that I
		
00:44:06 --> 00:44:08
			spoke about, about consolidating, that applies to everyone.
		
00:44:09 --> 00:44:10
			It's not just taraweeh.
		
00:44:11 --> 00:44:16
			But yeah, you know, like incentivizing almost or
		
00:44:16 --> 00:44:18
			competitions, you know, that kind of thing, it
		
00:44:18 --> 00:44:18
			helps.
		
00:44:18 --> 00:44:20
			So like incentivizing with them in terms of,
		
00:44:21 --> 00:44:23
			okay, if you're able to, you know, recite
		
00:44:23 --> 00:44:26
			this much by this point, again, I guess
		
00:44:26 --> 00:44:27
			it comes down to what, how old they
		
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			are as well.
		
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			Then have, have an incentive for them.
		
00:44:30 --> 00:44:32
			So like, for me, my incentive was, for
		
00:44:32 --> 00:44:35
			finishing games, like getting over the finish line,
		
00:44:36 --> 00:44:37
			was, remember I said I had a games
		
00:44:37 --> 00:44:38
			console?
		
00:44:38 --> 00:44:39
			It was a really old games console.
		
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			If I mentioned to you, nobody actually knows
		
00:44:41 --> 00:44:42
			what it is, right?
		
00:44:42 --> 00:44:44
			But I was promised a PlayStation.
		
00:44:45 --> 00:44:46
			And my brother said, I'm going to buy
		
00:44:46 --> 00:44:47
			you a PlayStation.
		
00:44:47 --> 00:44:49
			Back then, it was really expensive, like for,
		
00:44:49 --> 00:44:50
			for the amount you earn.
		
00:44:50 --> 00:44:51
			So he's like, yeah, I'm going to buy
		
00:44:51 --> 00:44:53
			you a PlayStation if you, once you finish.
		
00:44:53 --> 00:44:54
			I remember that was like huge for me.
		
00:44:54 --> 00:44:56
			So when I, when I finished, he, you
		
00:44:56 --> 00:44:57
			know, he fulfills his promise.
		
00:44:57 --> 00:44:58
			He buys me a PlayStation.
		
00:44:58 --> 00:44:59
			And that was like really big at the
		
00:44:59 --> 00:44:59
			time.
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:03
			So yeah, it's incentivized, prize, you know, every
		
00:45:03 --> 00:45:06
			juice you finish, that kind of stuff is
		
00:45:06 --> 00:45:07
			really good for kids.
		
00:45:09 --> 00:45:09
			Yeah.
		
00:45:09 --> 00:45:11
			And nowadays there, there are these HIFT camps.
		
00:45:11 --> 00:45:12
			Don't know if you've seen them.
		
00:45:13 --> 00:45:16
			For older people, usually like 18 and over.
		
00:45:16 --> 00:45:19
			And so, you know how when you're preparing
		
00:45:19 --> 00:45:21
			for Tarawih, one of the good things about
		
00:45:21 --> 00:45:22
			it is that it's intense.
		
00:45:22 --> 00:45:24
			You know, it's like you fully focus on
		
00:45:24 --> 00:45:26
			that for, for a period.
		
00:45:27 --> 00:45:30
			HIFT camps can also have that similar effect
		
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			because you're like literally staying there morning till
		
00:45:34 --> 00:45:36
			evening, even if it's just for a week,
		
00:45:38 --> 00:45:40
			but you've got other people doing it and
		
00:45:40 --> 00:45:41
			they're revising.
		
00:45:41 --> 00:45:44
			So there's usually like HIFT camps for people
		
00:45:44 --> 00:45:46
			who are still memorizing and those who are
		
00:45:46 --> 00:45:46
			revising.
		
00:45:47 --> 00:45:49
			So yeah, I think things like that might
		
00:45:49 --> 00:45:49
			also help.
		
00:45:50 --> 00:45:52
			Just on that note, sorry Osaveh, so you
		
00:45:52 --> 00:45:53
			know how I mentioned competitions, right?
		
00:45:53 --> 00:45:56
			There's loads of even, even like female only
		
00:45:56 --> 00:46:00
			competitions, even kids, you know, boys and girls.
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:03
			And there's loads out there nowadays, so many
		
00:46:03 --> 00:46:06
			different competitions, which I, so I, so it's
		
00:46:06 --> 00:46:07
			a funny story, right?
		
00:46:07 --> 00:46:10
			Where it's like recently you were at the
		
00:46:10 --> 00:46:11
			GPU, global peace and unity, right?
		
00:46:12 --> 00:46:13
			The, the, the event.
		
00:46:13 --> 00:46:16
			So going back again, this is way, you
		
00:46:16 --> 00:46:18
			know, quite, quite a long time ago.
		
00:46:19 --> 00:46:21
			And this is actually how I met our
		
00:46:21 --> 00:46:24
			teacher, Sheikh Mujahid from Ibrahim college, because he
		
00:46:24 --> 00:46:26
			was a judge at the time on Islam
		
00:46:26 --> 00:46:26
			channel.
		
00:46:26 --> 00:46:28
			So as a kid, I used to actually,
		
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			while I was doing my HIFT, I used
		
00:46:29 --> 00:46:30
			to call up, it was called the national
		
00:46:30 --> 00:46:30
			competition.
		
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			And I used to call up and I
		
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			used to, I used to, you know, compete
		
00:46:35 --> 00:46:35
			in this.
		
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			And I remember every year I used to
		
00:46:37 --> 00:46:38
			try, I used to get to like the
		
00:46:38 --> 00:46:39
			second round.
		
00:46:39 --> 00:46:41
			I used to like, you know, lose or
		
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			whatever.
		
00:46:42 --> 00:46:44
			And I tried for like four years in
		
00:46:44 --> 00:46:45
			a row, I think four or five years
		
00:46:45 --> 00:46:46
			in a row, just while I was doing
		
00:46:46 --> 00:46:46
			my HIFT.
		
00:46:47 --> 00:46:49
			And I remember on one of the final
		
00:46:49 --> 00:46:51
			years, Alhamdulillah, I made it all the way
		
00:46:51 --> 00:46:51
			to the finals.
		
00:46:52 --> 00:46:54
			And the finals were held at the GPU.
		
00:46:54 --> 00:46:55
			So it was in front of like thousands
		
00:46:55 --> 00:46:55
			of people.
		
00:46:56 --> 00:46:57
			Sheikh Mujahid was like one of the judges.
		
00:46:58 --> 00:46:59
			And Alhamdulillah, I came second.
		
00:46:59 --> 00:47:00
			I came as a runner up.
		
00:47:01 --> 00:47:04
			And that was just, that was actually something
		
00:47:04 --> 00:47:07
			that motivated me because competition.
		
00:47:08 --> 00:47:11
			And also it gave me, it gave me
		
00:47:11 --> 00:47:12
			a lot of confidence, you know, coming back
		
00:47:12 --> 00:47:14
			to that previous question about confidence and things
		
00:47:14 --> 00:47:16
			like, I wasn't very confident at the beginning,
		
00:47:16 --> 00:47:18
			but then after attempting over so many years,
		
00:47:18 --> 00:47:20
			I was actually, I was confident enough to
		
00:47:20 --> 00:47:21
			stand on stage in front of a lot
		
00:47:21 --> 00:47:23
			of people and then recite and do different
		
00:47:23 --> 00:47:24
			rounds and things.
		
00:47:24 --> 00:47:27
			So I would encourage parents to definitely see
		
00:47:27 --> 00:47:29
			if there's competitions out there for their kids.
		
00:47:29 --> 00:47:30
			That's a great idea.
		
00:47:30 --> 00:47:30
			Yeah.
		
00:47:30 --> 00:47:32
			Cause in a way you're, I don't want
		
00:47:32 --> 00:47:35
			to, I keep using the athlete analogy during
		
00:47:35 --> 00:47:37
			this course, but it is a bit like
		
00:47:37 --> 00:47:39
			an athlete, you know, like when a, when
		
00:47:39 --> 00:47:41
			a parent is helping their child to become
		
00:47:41 --> 00:47:44
			a footballer or an athlete, they enter them
		
00:47:44 --> 00:47:45
			into different things.
		
00:47:45 --> 00:47:47
			They, you know, drive them places.
		
00:47:47 --> 00:47:49
			They, the parents have really put the effort
		
00:47:49 --> 00:47:53
			into find these little opportunities and, you know,
		
00:47:54 --> 00:47:56
			special coaches, you know, if some sheikh is
		
00:47:56 --> 00:47:59
			in town, who's known for his, and get
		
00:47:59 --> 00:48:01
			them to meet him and all of that
		
00:48:01 --> 00:48:02
			kind of stuff.
		
00:48:03 --> 00:48:04
			Get them to read, even if it's just
		
00:48:04 --> 00:48:06
			a few minutes, get them to read to
		
00:48:06 --> 00:48:06
			that sheikh.
		
00:48:06 --> 00:48:08
			Cause now it feels like it's an honor
		
00:48:08 --> 00:48:08
			thing.
		
00:48:08 --> 00:48:08
			Right.
		
00:48:09 --> 00:48:10
			When you read to the sheikh.
		
00:48:10 --> 00:48:12
			So yeah, there's, there's, there's so many things
		
00:48:12 --> 00:48:15
			you could do to just, the kids remember
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:15
			these things.
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:16
			I promise you.
		
00:48:16 --> 00:48:17
			They do remember these things.
		
00:48:17 --> 00:48:19
			Like, oh, I met this big sheikh, even
		
00:48:19 --> 00:48:21
			if they don't know who he is, you
		
00:48:21 --> 00:48:22
			know, or like, for example, there's, there's like
		
00:48:22 --> 00:48:23
			a, you know, like in a couple of
		
00:48:23 --> 00:48:25
			weeks, there's, I don't know if you've seen
		
00:48:25 --> 00:48:26
			like sheikh Mishadi is in town.
		
00:48:26 --> 00:48:28
			So there's like an event in London, in
		
00:48:28 --> 00:48:28
			Birmingham.
		
00:48:28 --> 00:48:30
			I think it's like take a kiss, these
		
00:48:30 --> 00:48:32
			kinds of events, like sheikh Mishadi is big.
		
00:48:32 --> 00:48:33
			And, you know, when you meet a sheikh,
		
00:48:34 --> 00:48:35
			you know, you had him reciting or you
		
00:48:35 --> 00:48:37
			get to recite to him even quickly kids
		
00:48:37 --> 00:48:38
			remember these things.
		
00:48:38 --> 00:48:40
			So I think parents should seek out these
		
00:48:40 --> 00:48:40
			opportunities.
		
00:48:42 --> 00:48:43
			I have a question here.
		
00:48:43 --> 00:48:46
			After Hifz is finished, how many Juz a
		
00:48:46 --> 00:48:48
			day do you recommend to review immediately?
		
00:48:50 --> 00:48:52
			Immediately, minimum one, minimum one.
		
00:48:53 --> 00:48:54
			I think our teachers used to get us
		
00:48:54 --> 00:48:57
			to do, to be honest, I never, I
		
00:48:57 --> 00:48:58
			don't recall doing more than one.
		
00:48:59 --> 00:49:02
			It was every month without fail, one Khatam,
		
00:49:02 --> 00:49:02
			done.
		
00:49:03 --> 00:49:04
			One Juz, once a month.
		
00:49:05 --> 00:49:05
			30 days.
		
00:49:05 --> 00:49:06
			Yeah.
		
00:49:06 --> 00:49:09
			That's, that's more than enough at that point.
		
00:49:11 --> 00:49:14
			And another question, and how many Juz should
		
00:49:14 --> 00:49:18
			a parent or teacher listen from the child?
		
00:49:19 --> 00:49:21
			Sorry, I don't, I don't really understand the
		
00:49:21 --> 00:49:22
			question fully, like.
		
00:49:24 --> 00:49:28
			Unless they're differentiating between, you know, like, like.
		
00:49:29 --> 00:49:29
			Yeah.
		
00:49:30 --> 00:49:32
			During the, during their time when they're doing
		
00:49:32 --> 00:49:32
			Hifz.
		
00:49:33 --> 00:49:33
			Yeah.
		
00:49:33 --> 00:49:37
			Outside of the class they're attending.
		
00:49:38 --> 00:49:43
			Did your parents, for example, do extra time
		
00:49:43 --> 00:49:44
			with you, et cetera?
		
00:49:47 --> 00:49:48
			Not necessarily.
		
00:49:49 --> 00:49:50
			No, not necessarily.
		
00:49:50 --> 00:49:52
			Just making sure that I was, you know,
		
00:49:52 --> 00:49:53
			doing my own revision.
		
00:49:54 --> 00:49:55
			Because the amount of hours I was doing
		
00:49:55 --> 00:49:57
			in the madrasa was more than enough.
		
00:49:57 --> 00:49:59
			Anyway, with the teacher, I had enough exposure
		
00:49:59 --> 00:50:00
			to the teacher.
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:01
			So I wasn't doing anything extra.
		
00:50:02 --> 00:50:03
			But what would be good is that, you
		
00:50:03 --> 00:50:06
			know, like there were days where I needed
		
00:50:06 --> 00:50:07
			to go over things.
		
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			So, because I was in Islamic school, there
		
00:50:09 --> 00:50:10
			were other father around me.
		
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			I could be able to read to them.
		
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			So, yeah, if in this case, if the
		
00:50:14 --> 00:50:16
			substitute for that is a parent, then yeah,
		
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			just ask, do you want me to, do
		
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			you want me to listen?
		
00:50:19 --> 00:50:19
			Do you want me to go over?
		
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			Just double check if you're making any mistakes
		
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			before you go to madrasa.
		
00:50:23 --> 00:50:25
			Maybe that's a good way of, again, giving
		
00:50:25 --> 00:50:26
			them that confidence and making sure that they're
		
00:50:26 --> 00:50:27
			reading.
		
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			Because it is important that the child feels
		
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			comfortable enough to read to the parent.
		
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			That is also quite important because if they
		
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			don't feel comfortable enough reading to you, then
		
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			there's a little bit of a disconnect there.
		
00:50:38 --> 00:50:39
			So yeah, do you want me to quickly,
		
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			you know, even while you're walking them to
		
00:50:41 --> 00:50:42
			the madrasa, you know, like there's a small
		
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			windows opportunity.
		
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			You want to read to me?
		
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			Like while you're going, like today's bit.
		
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			Yeah.
		
00:50:46 --> 00:50:47
			Okay.
		
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			And then just go through it.
		
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			Just you can, you can have it on
		
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			your phone.
		
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			Nowadays it's on your phone.
		
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			So you don't need to carry it.
		
00:50:51 --> 00:50:52
			Musab with you.
		
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			Yeah.
		
00:50:55 --> 00:50:58
			Sister's asking, not sure if you have younger
		
00:50:58 --> 00:51:01
			siblings, Sheikh, but, or other siblings.
		
00:51:01 --> 00:51:03
			If you do, how did that big family
		
00:51:03 --> 00:51:04
			move impact them?
		
00:51:05 --> 00:51:06
			Yeah, I have other siblings.
		
00:51:07 --> 00:51:08
			I have a younger sister as well.
		
00:51:08 --> 00:51:09
			So she moved with us.
		
00:51:09 --> 00:51:11
			I have an older, I had two older
		
00:51:11 --> 00:51:11
			brothers.
		
00:51:11 --> 00:51:13
			So one of them was already working or
		
00:51:13 --> 00:51:14
			in university at the time.
		
00:51:14 --> 00:51:15
			Didn't affect him.
		
00:51:15 --> 00:51:16
			But the other one, it did affect him
		
00:51:16 --> 00:51:17
			because he had to move as well.
		
00:51:18 --> 00:51:19
			He wasn't too happy about it.
		
00:51:19 --> 00:51:20
			I'll be honest with you.
		
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			Growing up and leaving his hometown.
		
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			So it affected the whole family.
		
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			It affected the whole family.
		
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			But I think for my parents, my family,
		
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			it was weighing between, well, you have the
		
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			opportunity for one of our children to become
		
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			a Hafidh.
		
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			Over a couple of years of, you know,
		
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			like the school, the schools everywhere.
		
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			So for my sister, she was able to
		
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			go to school.
		
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			You know, in fact, it was better for
		
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			her.
		
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			She also went to Madarassa as well.
		
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			You know, she wouldn't have had that opportunity.
		
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			So it did, it did interrupt things.
		
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			It did, it did affect things.
		
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			And yes, making a decision like that will
		
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			affect the whole family.
		
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			But I think you just have to weigh
		
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			between what would be better here.
		
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			You know, and I guess explaining it to
		
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			everyone, like why, right?
		
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			Exactly.
		
00:52:01 --> 00:52:02
			Yeah, yeah, exactly.
		
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			I've got two questions here.
		
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			I'm going to consolidate.
		
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			One is saying that how can we ensure
		
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			that our children, our child doesn't feel like
		
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			they're on the journey just because the parents
		
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			want it.
		
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			And the other is kind of related is
		
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			how did you find the internal dedication and
		
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			motivation?
		
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			Allahu Mubarak, especially as you were away from
		
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			home.
		
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			That's very inspiring.
		
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			What advice would you give to young and
		
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			old?
		
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			Please share.
		
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			By the way, during the course of this
		
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			course, I think most of us parents have
		
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			also decided we're going to do as well.
		
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			We've been so motivated by some of the
		
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			speeches from other who have joined us.
		
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			It really makes you realize that actually, you
		
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			know, you want it for yourself as well,
		
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			you know?
		
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			Absolutely.
		
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			Yeah, definitely.
		
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			Absolutely.
		
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			Even what I was saying before about listening
		
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			to your child, you know, you can only
		
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			really do that to a high level when
		
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			you've also studied the Quran, had an exposure
		
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			to the Quran.
		
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			So it is important.
		
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			But yeah, the internal motivation and then kind
		
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			of that reflecting, especially on children without the
		
00:53:16 --> 00:53:16
			pressure and things.
		
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			So my internal motivation, just to give an
		
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			example, like I said, it was, it was
		
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			from a young age.
		
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			So it was a lot of listening to
		
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			Quran recitations.
		
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			There were other family members of mine who
		
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			had just kind of started practicing at the
		
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			time.
		
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			So I've kind of looked up to them,
		
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			you know, because it was a big change.
		
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			I'll be honest with you.
		
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			Like I didn't grow up in a hugely
		
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			practicing family in the sense that they would
		
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			pray, you know, the basics were fulfilled, but
		
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			it wasn't like they were memorizing Quran.
		
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			They were studying and seeking knowledge and things
		
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			of that nature, which is very, you know,
		
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			just a standard kind of home where you
		
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			have the basic exposure.
		
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			So for me, I would look up to
		
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			my cousins who are like practicing and going
		
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			to the masjid regularly and like growing their
		
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			beards all of a sudden, like changing their
		
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			lives.
		
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			Right.
		
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			So that, that for me was like a
		
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			big thing.
		
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			Like, what is this?
		
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			What is this all about?
		
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			So I was already kind of into it.
		
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			And my parents only helped solidify that and
		
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			take that forward for me.
		
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			Otherwise I would have, you know, I would
		
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			have, it would have been, as a kid,
		
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			these things, it becomes like a phase, right.
		
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			So after some time I would have just
		
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			got bored and moved on to something else,
		
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			but they really helped me make sure that
		
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			I continue with that.
		
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			And then in terms of the, like I
		
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			said, the pressure, there has to be a
		
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			little bit of pressure, you know, if you
		
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			don't use the word pressure, you know, there
		
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			has to be that encouragement from the parents.
		
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			But ultimately it does come down to the
		
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			child in terms of even long-term, like
		
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			it comes down to the child, like whether
		
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			they want, if this is something that they
		
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			want for themselves, this is something they want
		
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			to pursue.
		
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			If there's something that they want to continue
		
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			later on, it does, like, and there's only
		
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			so much you can do as a parent,
		
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			you know, without hugely impacting that, like, you
		
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			know, it's just the encouragement behind the scenes,
		
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			creating that environment, you know, even just basic
		
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			things.
		
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			I remember like, even for me as a
		
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			kid, just hearing about the virtues of becoming
		
00:55:08 --> 00:55:10
			a Hafidh and memorizing the Quran and things
		
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			like that, that is motivating, but you know,
		
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			a lot of kids don't even know this
		
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			stuff because you just almost assume that everybody
		
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			knows it anyway.
		
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			So you have to keep those stories, that
		
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			information, the why in their ear, right?
		
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			So that they continue to grow in their
		
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			motivation when they're feeling a bit maybe weak
		
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			at some points.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			I mean, kids always need that because kids
		
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			get distracted, you know, I used to get
		
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			distracted a lot and you just always need
		
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			that motivation.
		
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			You're just hearing these things, you know, my
		
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			parents making sure, like my dad, I always
		
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			used to go to the masjid with my
		
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			father.
		
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			So you're always in that environment.
		
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			Like I wouldn't just be sent to a
		
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			madrasa for three hours.
		
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			When I come home, there's nothing.
		
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			No, I'd expect that I'd be going to
		
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			the masjid with my dad.
		
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			I'd be praying.
		
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			I'd be hearing lectures, you know, I'm in
		
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			that environment constantly.
		
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			So I think without him telling me that,
		
00:56:04 --> 00:56:05
			Oh, I have to do X, Y, Z,
		
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			I'm just doing it.
		
00:56:07 --> 00:56:08
			I'm going with him.
		
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			So I'm hearing it.
		
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			For me, it was like, why would I
		
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			not, you know, like, why would I stop
		
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			memorizing?
		
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			Why would I move away from this for
		
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			when this is my life, like this is
		
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			everything now.
		
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			So I think, yeah, less for us parents
		
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			and, you know, less kind of like telling
		
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			them, more kind of just creating the environment
		
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			for them.
		
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			And then like, like you just mentioned, if
		
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			you, I mean, if you do it yourself,
		
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			it's even better.
		
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			If you've done it yourself, if you do
		
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			it yourself, if they see that you're reciting
		
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			Quran, like, you know, my father, even to
		
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			this day, he has a habit of, even
		
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			when he's just praying at home, he's not
		
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			in a masjid.
		
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			Whenever he prays at home, he recites out
		
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			loud.
		
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			He's not a hafiz, by the way.
		
00:56:47 --> 00:56:49
			He's not a hafiz or anything like that.
		
00:56:49 --> 00:56:51
			But if it's Maghrib or Isha or something,
		
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			he's, he reads out loud.
		
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			So, you know, he's praying now.
		
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			And after that, he's reciting Quran.
		
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			You know, he's reciting Surah Yasin or something.
		
00:56:58 --> 00:57:01
			He's always, every day is reading Quran out
		
00:57:01 --> 00:57:05
			loud or every Maghrib prayer, every day was
		
00:57:05 --> 00:57:05
			in Jama'ah.
		
00:57:05 --> 00:57:06
			As kids, we knew that.
		
00:57:06 --> 00:57:07
			Me and my brothers, we knew.
		
00:57:07 --> 00:57:08
			We have to pray in Jama'ah.
		
00:57:08 --> 00:57:10
			Our father would lead us, and we'd be
		
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			behind.
		
00:57:10 --> 00:57:11
			So, do you see, like, there's every day,
		
00:57:11 --> 00:57:12
			there's an exposure to Quran.
		
00:57:13 --> 00:57:14
			My dad was doing it, even though he's
		
00:57:14 --> 00:57:15
			not a hafiz.
		
00:57:15 --> 00:57:17
			He's not, he's not perfect reciter, but he
		
00:57:17 --> 00:57:18
			was a man of Quran.
		
00:57:19 --> 00:57:22
			So, it's like, whatever the parents are valuing,
		
00:57:23 --> 00:57:25
			that gets passed down, right?
		
00:57:25 --> 00:57:28
			Like, you're absorbing the value system in a
		
00:57:28 --> 00:57:31
			way, or, you know, like your parents have
		
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			established.
		
00:57:31 --> 00:57:35
			Like we said about cousins as well, like,
		
00:57:35 --> 00:57:37
			you know, I think, if you've got someone
		
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			that you can look up to, that really
		
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			helps.
		
00:57:40 --> 00:57:40
			So, yeah.
		
00:57:43 --> 00:57:44
			We've got two more questions.
		
00:57:44 --> 00:57:46
			Do you mind if I just ask these
		
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			last two questions?
		
00:57:46 --> 00:57:46
			No, please.
		
00:57:47 --> 00:57:47
			Yeah, go for it.
		
00:57:47 --> 00:57:48
			The last two, inshallah.
		
00:57:49 --> 00:57:51
			JazakAllah khairan for you, all your time, you
		
00:57:51 --> 00:57:51
			know.
		
00:57:52 --> 00:58:01
			So, sister's asking, okay, how did you connect
		
00:58:01 --> 00:58:04
			yourself to the Quran, as we don't understand
		
00:58:04 --> 00:58:05
			the Quran?
		
00:58:06 --> 00:58:08
			Did you understand, at that point, you probably
		
00:58:08 --> 00:58:09
			hadn't learned Arabic yet?
		
00:58:10 --> 00:58:13
			No, even in Islamic school, I mean, it
		
00:58:13 --> 00:58:15
			was basic Arabic.
		
00:58:15 --> 00:58:16
			You weren't actually, you didn't know the meaning
		
00:58:16 --> 00:58:17
			of things.
		
00:58:17 --> 00:58:17
			Yeah.
		
00:58:18 --> 00:58:19
			So, I think we're all in the same
		
00:58:19 --> 00:58:21
			boat, most of father in the same boat,
		
00:58:21 --> 00:58:24
			especially at that age, memorizing, you don't have
		
00:58:24 --> 00:58:26
			an exposure, but what you kind of have
		
00:58:26 --> 00:58:29
			an exposure to, is like I said, virtues
		
00:58:29 --> 00:58:32
			and Quran, like appreciation for the virtues of
		
00:58:32 --> 00:58:34
			memorizing and things, but also, you know, like
		
00:58:34 --> 00:58:38
			I've authored, you know, I mentioned the book
		
00:58:38 --> 00:58:39
			on Surah Yusuf.
		
00:58:39 --> 00:58:40
			Now, for me growing up, Surah Yusuf, like
		
00:58:40 --> 00:58:41
			I always knew that Surah.
		
00:58:42 --> 00:58:45
			I had never memorized the Surah, before Hidh,
		
00:58:45 --> 00:58:46
			but I always knew the story.
		
00:58:47 --> 00:58:49
			There's something special about Surah Yusuf for me.
		
00:58:49 --> 00:58:51
			So, I always appreciated the story.
		
00:58:51 --> 00:58:53
			So, having an exposure in terms of Quranic
		
00:58:53 --> 00:58:55
			stories, I think for kids, kids love stories.
		
00:58:56 --> 00:58:57
			So, what are some of the stories in
		
00:58:57 --> 00:59:00
			the Quran, like Yusuf, or, you know, Yunus,
		
00:59:01 --> 00:59:03
			you know, like Musa, like all of these
		
00:59:03 --> 00:59:04
			stories is great.
		
00:59:04 --> 00:59:06
			So, I think stories is good, is a
		
00:59:06 --> 00:59:07
			good connection.
		
00:59:07 --> 00:59:08
			So, when they come across it, they're like,
		
00:59:08 --> 00:59:10
			oh, this is the story of Musa, this
		
00:59:10 --> 00:59:12
			is the story of Yusuf, and so on.
		
00:59:13 --> 00:59:16
			But yeah, it's just general, you know, lessons,
		
00:59:16 --> 00:59:17
			or general stories from the Quran.
		
00:59:17 --> 00:59:19
			I think that's the way forward, as opposed
		
00:59:19 --> 00:59:22
			to, right, you're going to actually learn the
		
00:59:22 --> 00:59:23
			Tafsir and translation.
		
00:59:23 --> 00:59:24
			Yeah.
		
00:59:24 --> 00:59:25
			Yeah, absolutely.
		
00:59:26 --> 00:59:28
			And I think, I feel like we sort
		
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			of answered this, but, what made you stay
		
00:59:31 --> 00:59:33
			focused on completing the Hifth program?
		
00:59:34 --> 00:59:37
			My son wants to become a Hafidh, but
		
00:59:37 --> 00:59:39
			has times where he isn't making the effort,
		
00:59:40 --> 00:59:40
			and isn't bothered.
		
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			Yeah.
		
00:59:42 --> 00:59:45
			I feel like, Shaykh Shabir, like, one thing
		
00:59:45 --> 00:59:47
			I want to emphasize, and I don't know
		
00:59:47 --> 00:59:50
			if you agree, is, there's something about having
		
00:59:50 --> 00:59:53
			a Hifth class, that kind of ends up
		
00:59:53 --> 00:59:55
			taking care of a lot of this stuff
		
00:59:55 --> 00:59:55
			for you.
		
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			You know what I mean?
		
00:59:56 --> 01:00:00
			Just, once they're in that Hifth class, the
		
01:00:00 --> 01:00:03
			peers, the teachers, the mentors, you know, like,
		
01:00:04 --> 01:00:06
			being part of that system, the way it
		
01:00:06 --> 01:00:08
			takes care of some of this, wouldn't you
		
01:00:08 --> 01:00:08
			say?
		
01:00:09 --> 01:00:09
			100%.
		
01:00:09 --> 01:00:10
			100%.
		
01:00:10 --> 01:00:13
			Like, I can't emphasize enough on being in
		
01:00:13 --> 01:00:13
			a class.
		
01:00:13 --> 01:00:15
			I know there's online mediums now, and I
		
01:00:15 --> 01:00:18
			know sometimes there's, you don't have a choice
		
01:00:18 --> 01:00:20
			but to enroll online.
		
01:00:21 --> 01:00:23
			But, having said that, I mean, wherever you
		
01:00:23 --> 01:00:25
			have a chance, even if it means you
		
01:00:25 --> 01:00:28
			have to drive a little bit further out,
		
01:00:28 --> 01:00:30
			or, you know, spend more time taking them
		
01:00:30 --> 01:00:32
			to a different area, whatever it might be,
		
01:00:32 --> 01:00:35
			that I would really emphasize on, in person.
		
01:00:35 --> 01:00:37
			Because like I said, the motivation side is
		
01:00:37 --> 01:00:40
			covered, you know, the environment side is covered,
		
01:00:40 --> 01:00:42
			the confidence side is covered, the Tarbiyah from
		
01:00:42 --> 01:00:44
			teachers, like, it's got everything.
		
01:00:44 --> 01:00:46
			Even when we did, like, Alimiyah, like, I
		
01:00:46 --> 01:00:48
			would have, I would have struggled if I
		
01:00:48 --> 01:00:49
			did that online.
		
01:00:49 --> 01:00:50
			I wouldn't have been able to complete it.
		
01:00:51 --> 01:00:55
			Just having that structured, yeah, institution, sort of,
		
01:00:55 --> 01:00:58
			institutional element, does help.
		
01:00:58 --> 01:00:59
			Exactly.
		
01:00:59 --> 01:01:01
			So, going in and being with teachers, you
		
01:01:01 --> 01:01:05
			know, revising with fellow students, discussing, that, that
		
01:01:05 --> 01:01:05
			helps so much.
		
01:01:06 --> 01:01:07
			So, yeah, I think that's the main thing.
		
01:01:08 --> 01:01:11
			If you have an opportunity, then, please, like,
		
01:01:11 --> 01:01:13
			enroll your students in a madrasa with other
		
01:01:13 --> 01:01:13
			students.
		
01:01:13 --> 01:01:16
			Look, if you don't have the opportunity, like,
		
01:01:16 --> 01:01:17
			it's, you only have the online, there's no
		
01:01:17 --> 01:01:20
			other, there's no other option, then what it,
		
01:01:20 --> 01:01:22
			what it's going to mean is that probably
		
01:01:22 --> 01:01:25
			you are going to have to take a
		
01:01:25 --> 01:01:27
			much more central role as a parent, being
		
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			involved, you know, trying to create whatever environment
		
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			you can at home.
		
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			Or, you find other avenues outside of madrasa,
		
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			like we spoke about before, like events, you
		
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			know, competitions, programs, where outside it's informal, but
		
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			you're making sure that regularly they're in touch
		
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			with those things.
		
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			But again, it takes an effort from your
		
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			end to take them there, or look out
		
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			for these events, and then take them.
		
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			So, they have something where it's not, they're
		
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			not just completely isolated at home.
		
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			They have every now and again something, you
		
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			know.
		
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			Yeah, because we're social beings, aren't we, as
		
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			humans?
		
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			Actually, today, one of the sisters on the
		
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			course, or somebody on the course, contacted me
		
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			and said that, during the, this weekend, or
		
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			last week, they've actually gone to their local
		
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			mosque, and asked them to set up a
		
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			Hif class.
		
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			And, you know, they're, and they're actually in
		
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			the process of doing that now.
		
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			And that's one of the things that I've
		
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			been encouraging, you know, if it's not set
		
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			up already, sometimes, you could be the impotent,
		
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			you could be the person, you know, who
		
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			just causes that thing to be set up.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			You could set something up, and other parents,
		
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			you know, as they say, build it and
		
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			they will come, right?
		
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			They will come and show.
		
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			So true.
		
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			So, I think it's such an, I feel
		
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			like, if there was one thing that you
		
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			would put effort into, and that was to
		
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			set something up, that is a group set
		
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			up, that would probably be like, the best
		
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			investment of your time as a parent, you
		
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			know, because, like I said, it's going to
		
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			solve 10 problems, 10 issues for you.
		
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			And we're already quite lonely in this country,
		
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			you know, like we can feel like we're
		
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			going against the grain a bit, you know,
		
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			especially if your child is not in a
		
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			Muslim school.
		
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			They need that village, you know, to help
		
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			them.
		
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			Yeah, for sure.
		
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			Well, I think you've really given us a
		
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			lot today.
		
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			I've made notes myself, you know, Mashallah.
		
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			So I really appreciate you sharing your journey
		
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			with us.
		
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			Is there any parting message that you'd like
		
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			to give before we wrap up?
		
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			No, I think, yeah, like I said, this
		
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			is very much needed for parents, especially.
		
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			What I can say is just emphasize the
		
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			point I've been making is parents do play,
		
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			play a huge role.
		
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			Don't underestimate that.
		
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			You know, looking back, it was always, I
		
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			always now, you know, maybe as, as a
		
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			kid, I didn't appreciate this, but now as
		
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			a parent myself, I, I fondly, you know,
		
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			remember now the sacrifices of my, of my
		
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			parents, the encouragement that I received from them.
		
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			So kids do remember these things.
		
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			And then the total B element is what
		
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			keeps them going as well.
		
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			So to the parents here, I mean, just
		
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			you being on this and listening and tuning
		
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			in is a huge step.
		
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			Alhamdulillah.
		
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			Just, Inshallah, you know, du'as of parents
		
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			are invaluable.
		
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			Keep making du'as.
		
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			Keep, you know, instilling or attempting or trying
		
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			to instill that love within your child for
		
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			the Quran, you know, and that, that, that,
		
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			that comes with just a lot of effort
		
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			in terms of connecting them with the right
		
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			things, Inshallah.
		
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			And yeah, you know, just yourself, you, yourself,
		
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			you know, should definitely take more of an
		
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			interest, even if you can't do the Hifz
		
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			yourself, but Quran should be a big part
		
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			of your life.
		
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			If you want the Quran to be a
		
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			part of your child's life, then the Quran
		
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			should be a big part of your life,
		
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			whether it's just reading the Quran, listening to
		
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			the Quran, you know, being around people of
		
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			the Quran, I think is a huge thing.
		
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			So yeah, Jazakum Khair Ustada Fatima for inviting
		
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			me on.
		
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			you know, I've been really enjoyed this as
		
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			well, myself, Alhamdulillah.
		
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			Thank you so much.
		
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			I really appreciate it.
		
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			Mashallah, you're such an interesting person.
		
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			Like I was thinking, Ilmfeed should interview you.
		
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			We need some alternative presenters to maybe interview
		
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			you and interview me as well.
		
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			Jazakum Khair.
		
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			Anyway, thank you so much, everyone for joining
		
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			us.
		
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			And with that, inshallah, we will wrap up
		
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			today.
		
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			Subhanak Allahumma wa bihamdik ashhadu an la ilaha
		
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			illa anta astaghfiruka wa atubu ilayk.
		
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			Salamu alaikum.
		
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			Salamu alaikum.