Dilly Hussain – Who were the Ottomans University of Manchester

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The Ottoman Empire was a democratic-equitable state with a military-equitable stance, heavily influenced by Arabic-equitable laws and the European colonialist movement. The Empire was a wwordy state with a demilitate system and a foreign- Actualist stance, and was a popular place for modernity. The decline was due to cultural and political weaknesses, including nationalism and the desire to modernize the state. The decline was also due to cultural and political weaknesses, including nationalism and the desire to modernize the state. The decline was due to a spiritual, faulting, overindulgent life, and the loss of military campaigns.

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			I believe
		
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			practically every
		
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			book or talk or lecture,
		
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			should begin with the story of Osman's dream.
		
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			Now Osman was the founder of the Ottoman
		
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			Empire,
		
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			and he had a dream. He had a
		
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			dream before the establishment of the state in
		
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			12/99.
		
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			He had a dream before he became the
		
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			Sultan.
		
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			He was not staying around the house of
		
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			a renowned Suki's daughter, Husher Edebani,
		
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			who later on became his father-in-law.
		
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			So when he had this dream,
		
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			he saw the present
		
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			leave the chest for Chef Edebari
		
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			and enter his chest.
		
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			And when that present entered his chest,
		
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			a tree grew from his leaving
		
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			and that tree continued to grow.
		
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			And in that dream, he saw the river
		
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			Danube, the river Tigris, the river Nile,
		
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			the river Euphrates, blessed and very famous mountains,
		
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			the fortress and saltwater.
		
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			And the tree carried on growing.
		
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			You'll have a handout which I'll review in
		
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			more detail. That's basically the paraphrase.
		
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			So the present which left the chest of
		
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			Sheikh and the body represented Islam.
		
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			And the tree which spread and continued to
		
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			grow
		
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			represented the state or the empire which Usman
		
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			and his descendants
		
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			were going to rule.
		
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			That was, more or less, the dream of
		
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			Usman.
		
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			And you'll find that successive rulers, Ottoman rulers,
		
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			one after another,
		
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			strive towards
		
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			fulfilling this dream, making it a reality,
		
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			spreading that state, spreading that empire,
		
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			and making
		
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			it uniquely Islamic.
		
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			Remember, the dream wasn't just a tree that
		
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			never made you never stop growing. The crescent
		
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			represented Islam.
		
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			That's Islam's dream. Always have that dream in
		
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			mind in context to some of the policies
		
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			and policies for the Ottoman rulers that we're
		
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			going to discuss later on in this lecture.
		
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			So if you know the origin of the
		
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			of the Ottomans, Otsileo Turks,
		
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			And they were given protection under the Seljuk
		
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			Sultanate
		
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			of Rome.
		
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			Now, the Seljuk Sultanate of Rome were Turks
		
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			themselves,
		
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			and it was the Western flank of the
		
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			Seljuk Empire. And they were very loyal subjects.
		
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			They were very loyal. They were given protection.
		
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			They used to protect the frontier. They fought
		
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			many battles under the banner of the Seljuk.
		
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			But in the mid to late 13th century,
		
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			we started seeing the decline of the Seljuk
		
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			Sultanate. And And as a result of that,
		
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			we started seeing the emergence
		
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			of independent
		
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			autonomous
		
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			Beyliks.
		
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			Now Beyliks is basically a principality.
		
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			It's a small autonomous state.
		
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			And increasingly, we start seeing more of those
		
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			as the subjects decline and then eventually demise.
		
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			And they found one of the bailiffs,
		
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			the Anatolian bailiffs, was the Osmondi bailiff, which
		
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			then, within a very short period of time,
		
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			evolved into the Ottoman seal violence.
		
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			Have been committed and commissioned on this topic.
		
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			Therefore, I cannot give it justice in 45
		
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			or 50 minutes, but before I'm I'm guessing
		
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			Sharma.
		
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			And,
		
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			ultimately, it began in 12 99, the establishment
		
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			of the Ottoman Sultanate in Scotland.
		
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			And then up to 15/17,
		
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			that was when the Ottoman
		
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			Empire declared itself as the caliphate,
		
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			which was then abolished in 1924. So we're
		
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			looking at
		
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			623
		
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			years
		
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			of the sultanates
		
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			or 407 years in the caliphate. Altogether, it's
		
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			625 years.
		
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			That's a lot to cover. And in in
		
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			honesty, for those of you that were reading
		
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			Ultimate History, you'll find that
		
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			events, incidents, wars,
		
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			policy changes, and so forth is vast.
		
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			However, from this period of 625 years, I
		
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			also picked out a number of dates and
		
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			incidents which I think we should all,
		
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			take note of at least. And this, again,
		
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			is from our handbags. So, of course 12
		
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			99, we saw the establishment of the Sultanate
		
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			and the Usman the first in the city
		
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			of Saudi.
		
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			We then saw between 1402 to 14 13,
		
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			the Ottoman Interregnant or the civil war
		
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			with the 3 sons of Sultanate Yazid the
		
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			first. And this 11 year civil war nearly
		
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			destroyed the state from within.
		
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			And of course 1453,
		
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			we have the conquest of Constantinople.
		
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			And this date is very important
		
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			and is a milestone
		
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			for Muslims worldwide. Why?
		
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			Because the prophecy of the beloved prophet Muhammad
		
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			Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam,
		
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			Mahindra, when he gave the glad tidings and
		
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			he prophesied the conquest of Constantinople.
		
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			Cave for the time.
		
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			And muzu Akkad the third, who was the
		
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			last Abbasid
		
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			cave, was forcibly made to abdicate.
		
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			And then when the Hejaz came under the
		
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			rule of the Ottoman, that's when Sanim the
		
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			first became the first kareem of the Ottoman
		
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			Empire.
		
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			Then it had a period of 28 years
		
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			of peace between 1740 to 1768.
		
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			And the reason why I think you look
		
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			at this in the timeline,
		
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			it was, I personally believe, from my reading,
		
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			my limited reading,
		
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			is that decline
		
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			began in this period.
		
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			Now some of you may be thinking, well,
		
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			hold on. 28 days of peace, you think
		
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			time were good. Yeah. They were good. As
		
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			a result
		
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			of having no major military campaigns, you
		
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			the Ottoman Empire entered
		
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			entered World War 1, the side of the
		
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			Germans, and they lost.
		
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			In 1922, the Ottoman Sultanate was dissolved by
		
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			the National Assembly led by Ivan Ataturk.
		
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			In 1923, we had the Treaty of Lausanne
		
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			where the allied forces, namely Britain and France,
		
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			annexed former Ottoman territories.
		
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			And in 1924,
		
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			we have the abolishment of the Ottoman Caliphate.
		
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			Now these are, I feel, are some very
		
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			important dates.
		
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			Was known as the consolidator because of 2
		
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			things.
		
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			He practically
		
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			conquered the entirety of Burellia, which is modern
		
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			day Balkans.
		
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			He also created the 1st elite infantry unit
		
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			known as the Janissary Corps.
		
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			Then of course we have Mehmed the 2nd,
		
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			the conqueror, who was prophesized.
		
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			And he wrote in 2 intervals, 1444 to
		
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			1446
		
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			and 1451 to 1481.
		
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			It's also important to add I noticed
		
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			Mehmed
		
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			the second, the conqueror,
		
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			who also introduced
		
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			the policy of word fratricide,
		
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			which is a practice of Ottoman princes before
		
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			they took,
		
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			leading their part of killing their brothers with
		
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			a sick problem.
		
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			Fully setting out the remit of the law
		
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			whilst in a dynamic role to the Islamic
		
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			scholars and the judges of his time.
		
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			Move into Islam, Mounia.
		
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			What's that lovely, most popular, highest of here?
		
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			Sultan Ahmed. Sultan Ahmed.
		
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			With an idea of it imitating or at
		
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			least taking from the West at the time.
		
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			He was assassinated by the Janissary Corps
		
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			because one of the reasons he wanted to
		
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			do it was get rid of the Janissary
		
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			Corps. So he was assassinated.
		
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			But very shortly after, under Solange Hormuz II,
		
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			who
		
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			moved between 1808 to 18 39, he was
		
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			known as the modernist, he put into effect
		
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			the planned reforms of selling the fern. And
		
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			he essentially created the planned reforms of selling
		
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			the fern. And he essentially created the ferns
		
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			of the ferns of the
		
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			ferns
		
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			of selling the fund. And he essentially
		
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			created a movement of the Tanzimas,
		
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			the Tanzimas reforms,
		
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			in 18/39.
		
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			And the Tanzimas reform was then, implemented in
		
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			the first constitution of 18/76.
		
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			There were a number of paths of re
		
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			reforms. Just to name you some of them,
		
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			he wanted to get rid of the Mille
		
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			system. The Mille system was a legal procedure
		
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			whereby Jews and Christians in their respective areas
		
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			were allowed to resolve their disputes according to
		
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			their own religious law.
		
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			He wanted the entire
		
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			global Muslim population to unite
		
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			behind his leadership
		
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			and the Ottoman state from the religious perspective
		
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			of the Khalifa. Now that's not to say
		
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			that previous rulers Ottoman rulers didn't want this,
		
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			but he put extreme emphasis
		
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			on this religious obligation of Muslims uniting behind
		
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			the Khalifa,
		
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			and supporting the Khalifa to the extent where
		
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			he would reach out to the Muslims of
		
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			India and Africa during the period
		
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			of European
		
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			colonialism to counter certain importance by European powers
		
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			at the time. So Catholicism and friends, out
		
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			of 3601, the 28th ADH, is in the
		
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			10th
		
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			back into mind.
		
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			The state.
		
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			Now,
		
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			the Ottoman Empire
		
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			was indeed a religious state. It was an
		
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			Islamic state. And we just need to look
		
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			at,
		
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			Osman's dream
		
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			and the way that it was interpreted.
		
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			The role of the present,
		
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			civilizing Islam.
		
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			Or the fact that from the very inception
		
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			of the state, that
		
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			the state rule was essentially in private. In
		
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			private. It was influenced by Martha Neely's theology,
		
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			and
		
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			Milnez, in his book The Caliphate We Defined,
		
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			and it was distinctly influenced by modern ideology,
		
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			as well as the proliferation of a number
		
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			of Sufi movements of trade as named in
		
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			the Najdulbes.
		
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			But it was also very Turk. It was
		
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			non apologetically Turkish, but it was par Islamic
		
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			in its outlook.
		
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			And we know this because the state language
		
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			was not Arabic or Persian.
		
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			It was Ottoman Turkish. Now, Ottoman Turkish was
		
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			heavily influenced by both Arabic
		
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			and Persian.
		
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			And it was an expansionist state. And when
		
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			I say expansionist, I'm gonna make a distinction
		
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			that
		
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			And when I say expansionist,
		
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			I'm gonna
		
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			make a distinction that when I say expansionist,
		
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			it wasn't from the European
		
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			colonial perspective of expansionist.
		
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			It was more an expansionist from the perspective
		
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			that the state foreseen its
		
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			expansion as a religious beauty.
		
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			And again, I refer back to Osman's dream.
		
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			That tree did not stop growing from his
		
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			name. In fact, the motto of the Ottoman
		
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			Empire was the eternal state,
		
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			as successive rulers, I've noticed in the previous
		
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			slide,
		
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			wants to fulfill this vision.
		
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			It was a very militaristic state.
		
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			And we knew this from the way they
		
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			created the judiciary cause.
		
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			All the huge,
		
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			importance
		
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			that the state
		
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			had exerted on the concept of jihansky sabienda,
		
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			in front of me, to the
		
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			mosques, to everyday society,
		
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			to the concept of martyrdom that was praised
		
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			on the families of those who had died
		
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			in military campaigns, were given a lot of
		
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			honor and respect to society,
		
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			and also the importance that the Ottoman Empire
		
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			had exerted on the law of military transcription.
		
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			In that regard, it was a very militaristic
		
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			state. It was also a foreign, a pluralistic
		
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			state.
		
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			And, to be honest, there was no other
		
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			empire or polity at its time
		
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			that,
		
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			whereby Christians, Jews and Muslims had not just
		
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			coexisted,
		
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			but Jews and Christians had flourished
		
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			in their respective traits.
		
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			Christians
		
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			had a normal senior position
		
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			in within the global world. Right? And this
		
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			was, quite frankly, unheard of. It was unheard
		
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			of the Liberation Empire,
		
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			the Russian empire, the Habsburg,
		
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			the Holy Roman Empire.
		
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			To hear a newspaper for a Jew to
		
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			have such high position or even a Roman,
		
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			it was unheard of. So in that regard,
		
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			it was truly a proristic state for his
		
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			time, and of course, he had a demilitate
		
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			system, whereby Jews and Christians in their respective
		
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			areas were allowed to sort their disputes out
		
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			into their religious law. But this was a
		
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			tradition that was maintained by previous dynasties and
		
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			some some of our leaders who dated back
		
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			all the time to the Ottoman Empire of
		
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			Pompey Peace.
		
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			And lastly, the Muslims were very Lebanon
		
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			for their administrative capabilities in that
		
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			the
		
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			state had
		
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			covered 3 continents,
		
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			Africa,
		
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			Europe, and Asia.
		
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			Collect tax in a manner in which there
		
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			was no gains to corruption, which I'm sure
		
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			there was, exactly, it was in the latter
		
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			period,
		
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			it was unheard of. It was unheard of
		
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			that the Nag Empire at its time had
		
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			caught the last one that the Ottomans did,
		
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			yet they managed
		
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			They managed
		
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			to collect tax and distribute tax and utilize
		
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			it for the progression and for the advancement
		
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			of their state.
		
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			Now, this Ottoman cult of arms
		
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			more or less depicts the characteristics of the
		
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			Ottoman state.
		
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			It was created by Abu Dhabi the second
		
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			in 18/82.
		
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			So it was very, very modern, very late
		
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			in the empire.
		
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			And it more symbolizes
		
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			evidently the characteristics of the things I've just
		
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			discussed.
		
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			Proudly Turkish.
		
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			The green flag, which represents the caliphate.
		
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			You can't see it. There's 3 crescents. The
		
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			3 crescents represent Africa, Asia, and Europe.
		
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			And then, of course, you've got the cannons,
		
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			the spears, the guns,
		
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			the navy emblem.
		
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			In that regard, it was a very militaristic
		
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			state. So everything that John just discussed is
		
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			depicted
		
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			in that whole bronze there.
		
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			Achievements. There
		
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			the generalist who requested the generalist series. Just
		
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			to give you a brief overview of the
		
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			generalist who called us, well, they were created
		
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			under the law the first, and they,
		
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			over a quick period of time, became the
		
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			military age of Ottoman society
		
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			and had three objectives.
		
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			Number 1,
		
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			to bodyguard and protect
		
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			the ruler.
		
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			Number
		
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			2, to protect the state.
		
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			Number 3, to make sure that then the
		
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			state was in a constant state of expansion.
		
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			So whenever there was a time when there
		
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			were no military campaigns, you'd hear about a
		
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			Janissary rebellion or an uprising
		
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			because
		
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			they were ultimately
		
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			paid soldiers who lived in the barracks.
		
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			But they became very powerful, very influential.
		
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			Over time, they were very well organized. They
		
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			went in the front line. They were used
		
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			as a police,
		
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			within the empire.
		
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			And they got so powerful towards
		
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			the
		
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			17th 18th century, where they practically decided
		
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			who would become
		
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			the Sultan of the Khalif.
		
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			And they were a formidable force.
		
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			They
		
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			gave Europeans mightness,
		
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			in a sense that
		
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			the way that they were organized
		
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			and the way that they would approach battle
		
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			was something which was unheard of at the
		
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			time. And some of these stories have compared
		
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			the Janissary corps
		
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			to the modern day National Guard. So when
		
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			you hear about the Iranian Revolutionary Guard or
		
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			the Sami National Guard or even in the
		
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			Western context, the SAS or whatever they may
		
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			be, many of them take back its structure,
		
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			its organization
		
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			to the Janus 3
		
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			courts. They were mafia.
		
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			It was also the ultimate part was basically
		
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			the first cosmopolitan
		
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			multi ethnic police and pluralistic empire in Europe.
		
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			And because it was, for the reasons I
		
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			explained in the previous slide, because of the
		
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			Malay system, because of the fact that Christians
		
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			had significant roles to play within the empire
		
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			and in the government, the fact that they
		
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			were allowed to, so either just difficulty with
		
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			their own laws,
		
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			the fact that
		
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			it wasn't just a case of coexistence.
		
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			It wasn't. It really wasn't. And it was
		
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			incomparable to any other part of the world
		
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			at that time where those 3 Abrahamic faiths
		
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			had lived
		
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			in more than relative peace.
		
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			And, of course, it was
		
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			under the reign of, an authority of the
		
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			Ottoman and the permission of Allah
		
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			that Islam came to Central and Eastern Europe.
		
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			Of course, we had Islam in Spain for
		
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			the best part of 800 years,
		
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			commissioned,
		
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			raids on traders and merchants in the Mediterranean
		
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			Sea. It was the Ottomans who protected those
		
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			seas.
		
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			A number of construction work took place in
		
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			Masjid Al Atsla, Domodarok,
		
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			in
		
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			flourish their own businesses, set up their own
		
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			neighborhood and their quarters,
		
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			to the extent that, towards the end of
		
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			the Ottoman Empire,
		
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			that Jewish financial advisers, you should be very,
		
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			very consulted with regards to fiscal policies.
		
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			In the 17th century.
		
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			And last but not least,
		
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			Alok Khufid the second, there was a blueprint
		
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			to build a train line from Istanbul
		
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			to go all the way through to Belemont,
		
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			to Jerusalem, all the way to Hejaz.
		
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			And again, this reflects the very packed Slavic
		
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			view that we meet the second hand
		
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			in terms of tying in 3 major regions
		
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			and 3 major cities
		
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			to exert
		
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			the role and the authority and the position
		
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			of himself as the kharifa
		
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			of all Muslims around the world. Sheikh Jihad,
		
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			Al Qaeda, being the president of pilgrimage.
		
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			Ashan also being a very holy region
		
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			Relations with other powers. So let's begin with
		
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			the Europeans.
		
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			And by the way, I'm literally listening through
		
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			history here. Right? So forgive me if it's
		
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			not the details. Some of you may have
		
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			expected, and Charlotte will pick up some of
		
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			the things in today.
		
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			And that continued right through to the Ottoman
		
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			period, right through to the Soviet period, right
		
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			through to the Ottomans who essentially,
		
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			finished the Byzantine Roman Empire when they took
		
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			Constantinople in 14 53. It was always a
		
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			big hostile relationship.
		
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			The Austrian Habsburg Empire, a very hostile relationship
		
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			from the siege of Vienna to the Battle
		
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			of Morwes,
		
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			from, the annexation of Hungary.
		
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			The after the Byzantines, it was the the
		
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			the perhaps the Austrians
		
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			were kind of the main,
		
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			adversaries of the Ottoman Empire.
		
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			But in the last 150 years, so we're
		
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			talking about the beginning of 19th century right
		
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			through to World War 1, Russia was practically
		
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			the arch enemy of the Ottoman Empire. Empire.
		
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			And the reason why that is is there
		
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			was a number of transgressions and a number
		
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			of annexations by the Russian Empire, at least
		
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			in the Balkans and Eastern Europe.
		
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			But what made Russia unique in in its
		
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			anniversary to the Ottomanism was that it used
		
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			to exert itself
		
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			as a protector of the Orthodox Christians within
		
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			the empire.
		
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			There was no other European empire that used
		
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			to emphasize
		
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			their role and their influence even when it
		
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			came down to agreeing on treaty causes
		
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			that we are the protectors of the Christians
		
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			in your state.
		
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			And, of course, the Russians also played a
		
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			very key role in,
		
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			starting a number of separate agreements,
		
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			in the Balkan region.
		
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			A lot of the land that was initially
		
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			lost in the mid 19 to late 19th
		
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			century was to Russia.
		
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			Germany was a fairly new state. We saw
		
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			that. Otto had Bismarck, Otto Haile and Guilherme
		
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			the second. And, of course, the Kaiser himself
		
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			were very fond of the Ottoman Empire.
		
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			It wasn't so direct as the Russians perhaps
		
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			were.
		
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			It was more clandestine
		
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			from a perspective
		
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			of
		
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			commissioning missionary work in the Ottoman Empire,
		
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			you know, teaching ideas such as nationalism and
		
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			secularism
		
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			within the empire,
		
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			doing a number of things in both Africa
		
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			and the Middle East.
		
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			Very rarely did you find open conflicts
		
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			prior to world war 1 with Britain and
		
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			France. There were some conflicts being compared to
		
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			the experts
		
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			and the Russians was incomparable.
		
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			But they were the the 2 cameras who
		
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			delivered the final blows to the Ottoman Empire,
		
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			during the war after world war 1.
		
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			There's a lot of man grabbing in modern
		
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			day, in modern day Iraq and Iran, so
		
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			as a result of Beijan.
		
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			So it was it was not only politically
		
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			hostile, it was theologically and religiously enforced.
		
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			And every time there was a campaign
		
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			After they were defeated in the Paxman Warat
		
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			Dlade,
		
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			and the Salim the first,
		
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			there was no normal state. However,
		
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			normal base and sherds and elders and and
		
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			and influential still remained in Egypt.
		
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			And for at least 200 years, there'd be
		
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			a number of attempts at Khunetars. There'd be
		
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			a number of upwars in the rebellion
		
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			until it was after Muhammad Ali Pasha,
		
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			the very powerful
		
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			governor of Egypt,
		
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			to the extent that the models
		
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			acknowledge the Ottomans
		
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			as
		
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			the rightful
		
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			country,
		
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			as the rightful case for the global Muslim
		
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			nation.
		
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			And this has been documented between,
		
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			to address them as Amr ibn Mubini. What
		
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			Alif is going to mostly mean is how
		
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			they should address them. It is also being
		
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			documented that under some under some areas of
		
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			the Mughal Empire, every Friday during Sahat al
		
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			Jum'ah, there'll be salutations and praises made to
		
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			the Ottomans within the Mughal Empire. So their
		
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			relation was very formed to the extent
		
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			that in the 18th century,
		
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			there were even a number of campaigns that
		
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			they had fought together, anti politically,
		
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			to counter the British and the French and
		
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			the Portuguese in the English subcontinent.
		
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			That's generally the relationship the Ottomans had with
		
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			their respective powers and empires at the time.
		
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			Reasons for decline.
		
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			Now,
		
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			I've heard a number of Islamic scholars and
		
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			Muslim academics
		
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			of the Ottoman Empire. Some played a bigger
		
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			role than others and they took part in
		
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			different periods of time. So let's go over
		
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			some of them. So when I said to
		
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			you that, I think the characteristics of the
		
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			Ottoman Empire
		
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			was its impressive degree of administration.
		
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			Well,
		
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			it also became a problem, remember, because quite
		
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			frankly, to
		
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			to covenant an empire that fast,
		
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			at a time when communication was very difficult,
		
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			was inevitably gonna cause problems.
		
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			So one of the ways the Ottoman rulers
		
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			planned to encounter this was to allow an
		
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			impressive degree of autonomy to their governors.
		
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			Who practically governed
		
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			North Africa and, the Levons,
		
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			they were given autonomy
		
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			in a way to overcome administrative problems. When
		
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			they were given autonomy,
		
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			they became power and really opened their gates
		
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			to corruption.
		
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			That's one reason. Another reason, intellectual decline. So
		
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			there was
		
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			there was
		
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			a period
		
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			whereby the Ottoman,
		
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			scholars and Islamic thinkers
		
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			With all the laws that we possibly need,
		
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			there's no need to be Istiara new realities.
		
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			And many have argued that this this intellectual
		
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			decline
		
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			not only prevented modernity,
		
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			but it pushed,
		
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			many elements within Ottoman society to look towards
		
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			other
		
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			empires and states from powers
		
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			to revive and have more of a dynamic
		
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			approach to to to new realities.
		
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			So the intellectual decline is one thing which
		
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			many scholars and and and academics have argued.
		
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			The decrease in military campaign. Now remember the
		
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			timeline I included
		
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			that period of 17 40 to 17 68.
		
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			That 28 year period of peace.
		
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			Doctor Virginia Aksam, very famous Ottoman historian,
		
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			in her book, The Ottoman War 17 100
		
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			to 18 60, she wrote,
		
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			the Empire continued to maintain a flexible and
		
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			strong economy supplied to military throughout 17th and
		
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			most of the 18th century.
		
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			However,
		
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			during the long period of peace from 17/40
		
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			to 17/68,
		
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			the Ottoman military system fell behind
		
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			that they were capable.
		
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			And this was echoed by another famous Ottoman
		
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			historian, Sarai Veruki. The reading is in your
		
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			handout.
		
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			400 and 41 years,
		
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			the Ottomans were in a constant state of
		
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			expansion and military campaigns.
		
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			So
		
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			in that light, to have a 28 year
		
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			period of peace,
		
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			it was inevitable that their respective and neighboring
		
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			counterparts in Europe weren't actually gonna utilize this
		
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			time, this this period where the autos put
		
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			their their filter gas, and we're gonna start
		
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			developing the oblutilities and start advancing technology technologically
		
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			and so forth. And
		
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			of statehood from the perspective of shared culture
		
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			or,
		
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			ethnic or racial values,
		
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			it was unheard of in Eastern Empire. I
		
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			say Eastern Empires are including the Mongols and
		
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			the and the Chinese Empires and other empires.
		
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			The very notion that a state could exist
		
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			on the premise of some ambigi ambiguous
		
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			live,
		
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			values of shared culture
		
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			or or or nationality or race or ethnicity,
		
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			it was unheard of. However, it's not a
		
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			surprise
		
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			that it gained momentum within the Ottoman Empire.
		
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			Why? Because it was so diverse.
		
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			So you had Armenian nationalism, Greek nationalism,
		
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			Serbian nationalism, Assyrian nationalism,
		
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			Arab nationalism
		
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			at the very end. So
		
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			nationalism was
		
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			strategically used, at least by a number of
		
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			European powers, namely Britain and France, to destabilize
		
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			the Ottoman Empire. That's not to say that
		
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			there weren't organic calls
		
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			by certain elements and demographics and constituencies within
		
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			the Ottoman Empire who did want to break
		
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			away from the empire and create a state,
		
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			like other Western European nations had at the
		
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			time, based on shared cultural values or ethnicity
		
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			or or race. So
		
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			The Young Turks Movement
		
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			and what is a huge
		
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			misconception
		
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			and, also, some way to say it with
		
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			is that the Young Turks Movement are Western
		
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			agents,
		
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			declining. It was on the verge of destruction.
		
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			And they felt that the only
		
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			entities at the time that had the answers
		
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			for revival
		
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			was Western Europe. They wanted to modernize the
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:20
			state. They wanted to secularize the state. They
		
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			wanted to get rid of this religious dogma.
		
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			This kind of very,
		
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			pan Turkish tribal approach to state policies.
		
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			Right?
		
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			But
		
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			the leadership
		
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			young
		
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			Turks.
		
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			They were given protection in Paris and they
		
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			came back
		
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			in 190 8 to create the, the Young
		
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			Turks
		
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			Revolution.
		
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			And it's kind of linked with the Kosovo
		
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			Nationalism because the Young Turks had 2 movements
		
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			within the movement.
		
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			Now, all of these things that I've just
		
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			addressed are contributors.
		
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			They are all contributors to ultimate decline.
		
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			If you were to ask me, David, what
		
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			do you think,
		
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			what key contributors? Which played a bigger role
		
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			than others? Number 1, intellectual decline.
		
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			So I feel that intellectual decline, where you
		
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			lose faith, where you lose confidence, where you
		
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			lose conviction
		
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			in your own philosophy, in your own,
		
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			in your own religion,
		
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			that naturally, that open the doors to start
		
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			looking for answers elsewhere.
		
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			And that, naturally,
		
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			got into the minds
		
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			of many
		
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			senior Ottoman officials.
		
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			And last but not least, the fact that
		
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			during the past all this is happening,
		
00:46:18 --> 00:46:21
			the European empires were getting stronger
		
00:46:21 --> 00:46:22
			from industrialization
		
00:46:23 --> 00:46:24
			and the fact that
		
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			their their work to create and so forth
		
00:46:26 --> 00:46:29
			perform in advance. Also, the fact that many
		
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			had, through their very strong navies,
		
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			had,
		
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			you know,
		
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			We,
		
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			as Muslims,
		
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			don't even attribute the concept of a Utopian
		
00:47:10 --> 00:47:11
			society
		
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			to a Madinah under prophet Muhammad
		
00:47:15 --> 00:47:17
			We don't apply the concept of a Utopian
		
00:47:17 --> 00:47:19
			society to the law of Hasidim, where the
		
00:47:19 --> 00:47:20
			4 white people
		
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			not just exile them to some faraway
		
00:47:53 --> 00:47:53
			palace.
		
00:47:54 --> 00:47:55
			They would have to be killed
		
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			with a sick rope.
		
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			Right?
		
00:47:58 --> 00:48:00
			This was given a green light by Osama
		
00:48:00 --> 00:48:02
			bin Laden at the time. The scholars to
		
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			say that, you know, for the sake of
		
00:48:04 --> 00:48:06
			the unity of the state, to prevent civil
		
00:48:06 --> 00:48:07
			war,
		
00:48:07 --> 00:48:09
			to prevent what happened under the,
		
00:48:10 --> 00:48:12
			the Ottoman terrain between 1402
		
00:48:13 --> 00:48:15
			to 1413 under the Psalms of the 3
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:17
			Psalms of Khan Beyazi, we need to exclude
		
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			the state. To prevent that, we need to
		
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			have the policy of World Factories like in
		
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			hindsight, we cannot look at this policy and
		
00:48:24 --> 00:48:25
			say, you know what?
		
00:48:26 --> 00:48:28
			This can't be from Islam. But that's because
		
00:48:28 --> 00:48:29
			that's completely in hindsight,
		
00:48:29 --> 00:48:31
			quite frankly. At the time,
		
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			that was the context and understanding of the
		
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			policy.
		
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			Which was a traditional practice
		
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			that existed for 1000 of years, whereby in
		
00:49:48 --> 00:49:50
			a military campaign, if a city or a
		
00:49:50 --> 00:49:52
			town or a particular land was taken by
		
00:49:52 --> 00:49:53
			force, by military,
		
00:49:54 --> 00:49:55
			campaign,
		
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			The prisoners of war would be taken as
		
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			slaves unless they were ransomed, and then they
		
00:49:59 --> 00:50:01
			were then used for labor or then so
		
00:50:01 --> 00:50:04
			long. The same kind of applies for concubines.
		
00:50:04 --> 00:50:04
			But let me explain something to you about
		
00:50:04 --> 00:50:04
			concubines purposes as a friend, and I'm not
		
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			justifying I'm not here to justify concubines
		
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			were initially concubines.
		
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			Greeks, the Romneys,
		
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			the Russians,
		
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			they became the wives
		
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			and the queens in the empire.
		
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			Just in that context.
		
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			So we need to distinguish between the transatlantic,
		
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			slave trade, which, was distinctly
		
00:50:59 --> 00:51:00
			white and European,
		
00:51:02 --> 00:51:02
			whereby
		
00:51:03 --> 00:51:04
			certain European, Palestinian, American,
		
00:51:17 --> 00:51:20
			prisoners of war or countrywide as a result
		
00:51:20 --> 00:51:22
			of major campaigns. If you had no use
		
00:51:22 --> 00:51:24
			for them, they'd be sold in slave markets.
		
00:51:25 --> 00:51:27
			In fact, another one of the reforms
		
00:51:27 --> 00:51:29
			of the Tanzimat to abandon,
		
00:51:30 --> 00:51:32
			the practice of slave trade.
		
00:51:32 --> 00:51:34
			The system of division,
		
00:51:34 --> 00:51:35
			whereby
		
00:51:36 --> 00:51:38
			whereby a Christian boy
		
00:51:39 --> 00:51:41
			from each Christian household from the age of
		
00:51:41 --> 00:51:43
			8 to 18 will be taken from their
		
00:51:43 --> 00:51:43
			families.
		
00:51:46 --> 00:51:49
			This rule is justified under the pretext of
		
00:51:49 --> 00:51:50
			blood compensation.
		
00:51:50 --> 00:51:53
			So again, if there was a particular land
		
00:51:53 --> 00:51:54
			or a region or a town or a
		
00:51:54 --> 00:51:57
			city that was taken by conquest and Muslim
		
00:51:57 --> 00:51:58
			soldiers had died,
		
00:51:59 --> 00:52:01
			the policy of the Derisham
		
00:52:01 --> 00:52:04
			was basically, you will compensate us for the
		
00:52:04 --> 00:52:06
			Muslim souls that were lost in battle by
		
00:52:06 --> 00:52:08
			giving us one of your sons.
		
00:52:08 --> 00:52:10
			Now, the Christian households that only had one
		
00:52:10 --> 00:52:12
			son, they were exempt.
		
00:52:12 --> 00:52:14
			For those who had more than one son,
		
00:52:14 --> 00:52:15
			they were they were taken.
		
00:52:18 --> 00:52:19
			If we speak to
		
00:52:20 --> 00:52:21
			Serbians,
		
00:52:21 --> 00:52:25
			Cossacks, and greats and Armenians today, you'll hear
		
00:52:25 --> 00:52:26
			a number of grievances.
		
00:52:27 --> 00:52:27
			And justified.
		
00:52:28 --> 00:52:30
			Right? The fact that, you know, boys were
		
00:52:30 --> 00:52:31
			taken forcibly,
		
00:52:32 --> 00:52:33
			from their households.
		
00:52:33 --> 00:52:35
			But, again, that has to provide you some
		
00:52:35 --> 00:52:37
			context. It's not apologism. I have to give
		
00:52:37 --> 00:52:38
			you context.
		
00:52:39 --> 00:52:41
			A lot of these Christian boys went on
		
00:52:41 --> 00:52:42
			to take a very powerful
		
00:52:43 --> 00:52:45
			a lot of these Christian boys went on
		
00:52:45 --> 00:52:46
			to become very powerful influential soldiers. They went
		
00:52:46 --> 00:52:47
			to become very influential statesmen. Some of them
		
00:52:47 --> 00:52:49
			after they became Muslim,
		
00:52:50 --> 00:52:50
			became Grand Viziers.
		
00:52:51 --> 00:52:52
			They became an elite
		
00:52:54 --> 00:52:54
			within them soldiers.
		
00:52:56 --> 00:52:58
			Some Christian families, it's been documented
		
00:53:28 --> 00:53:29
			as a false description,
		
00:53:30 --> 00:53:31
			how that could be argued
		
00:53:33 --> 00:53:36
			quite strongly as something that was in Islamic,
		
00:53:36 --> 00:53:38
			something that was in Egypt, something that was
		
00:53:38 --> 00:53:40
			never practiced by any other dynasty or state,
		
00:53:40 --> 00:53:41
			quite the Muslims.
		
00:53:42 --> 00:53:45
			But, again, how did they justify it? They
		
00:53:45 --> 00:53:48
			justified it for the Ijtihad or basically blood
		
00:53:48 --> 00:53:48
			compensation.
		
00:53:49 --> 00:53:51
			All the Muslim soldiers that were lost in
		
00:53:51 --> 00:53:53
			battle, as a form of repayment, we're gonna
		
00:53:53 --> 00:53:55
			take 1 question from each household. That's how
		
00:53:55 --> 00:53:56
			they justify it. And then, you will learn
		
00:53:56 --> 00:53:56
			from other 4 Badhakt, of today, have argued
		
00:53:56 --> 00:53:57
			that this was, quite frankly, an uncertain
		
00:54:14 --> 00:54:17
			Mulard was first had adopted and then became
		
00:54:17 --> 00:54:18
			state law.
		
00:54:19 --> 00:54:22
			But perhaps, the one event or incident
		
00:54:23 --> 00:54:24
			which has
		
00:54:24 --> 00:54:25
			tarnished
		
00:54:26 --> 00:54:29
			the legacy of the Ottomans is what's known
		
00:54:29 --> 00:54:32
			as the Armenian genocide of 1915 from April
		
00:54:32 --> 00:54:33
			to August.
		
00:54:34 --> 00:54:36
			I'm not gonna delve too much into this,
		
00:54:36 --> 00:54:38
			but I will say this much.
		
00:54:38 --> 00:54:40
			The dominant narrative
		
00:54:41 --> 00:54:42
			is that
		
00:54:42 --> 00:54:42
			1,500,000
		
00:54:43 --> 00:54:44
			Armenians
		
00:54:45 --> 00:54:46
			were systematically
		
00:54:46 --> 00:54:46
			killed
		
00:54:48 --> 00:54:49
			and raped
		
00:54:49 --> 00:54:52
			and put into concentration camps and forced into
		
00:54:52 --> 00:54:53
			exile.
		
00:54:54 --> 00:54:55
			That's the dominant
		
00:54:56 --> 00:54:56
			mainstream
		
00:54:57 --> 00:54:59
			taker on the Armenian Genocide.
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:02
			So since I'm giving you all a lecture
		
00:55:02 --> 00:55:03
			on Ottoman history,
		
00:55:03 --> 00:55:05
			I have to give you the Ottoman perspective.
		
00:55:06 --> 00:55:09
			And the Ottoman perspective to us, along with
		
00:55:09 --> 00:55:11
			the Armenian genocide, was a case of treasonous
		
00:55:11 --> 00:55:12
			sedition.
		
00:55:15 --> 00:55:16
			During World War 1,
		
00:55:17 --> 00:55:18
			there was a campaign,
		
00:55:19 --> 00:55:20
			the Caucasus Campaign.
		
00:55:21 --> 00:55:22
			Caucasus Campaign. The Caucasus Campaign
		
00:55:37 --> 00:55:39
			Armenians, I think, as a political opinion subject,
		
00:55:39 --> 00:55:41
			they gave 250 or 500 Armenian men to
		
00:55:41 --> 00:55:43
			join the Ottoman military effort.
		
00:55:44 --> 00:55:45
			On top of that,
		
00:55:46 --> 00:55:47
			there are also
		
00:55:48 --> 00:55:50
			documented correspondence between
		
00:55:50 --> 00:55:53
			Armenian elements, namely the thinkers, the philosophers, and
		
00:55:53 --> 00:55:55
			the Russian empire at the time,
		
00:55:56 --> 00:55:56
			to
		
00:55:57 --> 00:55:59
			basically establish their own state, which was known
		
00:55:59 --> 00:56:01
			as the Armenian Liberation Front.
		
00:56:01 --> 00:56:03
			So if you look at it from that
		
00:56:03 --> 00:56:05
			perspective, from the Ottoman perspective,
		
00:56:06 --> 00:56:09
			they had a huge constituency within their empire,
		
00:56:09 --> 00:56:10
			or their state,
		
00:56:11 --> 00:56:14
			tax paying citizens who they gave security
		
00:56:14 --> 00:56:15
			and protection to,
		
00:56:16 --> 00:56:17
			and they were
		
00:56:17 --> 00:56:18
			collaborating
		
00:56:19 --> 00:56:19
			with another empire
		
00:56:20 --> 00:56:22
			or another state, that they were in a
		
00:56:22 --> 00:56:23
			state of war.
		
00:56:24 --> 00:56:26
			It was perceived as an act of truth
		
00:56:26 --> 00:56:27
			and sedition.
		
00:56:29 --> 00:56:30
			Dare I say,
		
00:56:31 --> 00:56:33
			dare I say that there may be some
		
00:56:33 --> 00:56:35
			similarities to one of Korea? It doesn't mean
		
00:56:35 --> 00:56:36
			all the story.
		
00:56:37 --> 00:56:39
			And that it was a collective punishment that
		
00:56:39 --> 00:56:41
			was given up. And the collective punishment that
		
00:56:41 --> 00:56:43
			was beaten out to the Armenians
		
00:56:43 --> 00:56:44
			was exiled.
		
00:56:45 --> 00:56:47
			They were exiled towards Syria.
		
00:56:47 --> 00:56:50
			And in that Paris journey, according to the
		
00:56:50 --> 00:56:51
			Autonomous chronicles and historians,
		
00:56:52 --> 00:56:54
			many many many many died.
		
00:56:55 --> 00:56:56
			I can't really say with a 1,500,000
		
00:56:57 --> 00:56:59
			died, but I'm very sure 1000 of 1000
		
00:56:59 --> 00:57:00
			did die.
		
00:57:20 --> 00:57:20
			The
		
00:57:26 --> 00:57:28
			Alright? So that's the Ottoman perspective.
		
00:57:28 --> 00:57:30
			The Armenians were exiled
		
00:57:31 --> 00:57:33
			for colluding with the Russians, for not giving
		
00:57:33 --> 00:57:36
			a sufficient required amount of their men for
		
00:57:36 --> 00:57:37
			the war effort,
		
00:57:37 --> 00:57:40
			and therefore, the collective punishment was exiled.
		
00:57:40 --> 00:57:43
			And during the exile towards Syria, many died.
		
00:57:43 --> 00:57:45
			That's the Ottoman perspective.
		
00:57:45 --> 00:57:47
			And it has been challenged and it has
		
00:57:47 --> 00:57:48
			been questioned,
		
00:57:49 --> 00:57:51
			by genocide specialists,
		
00:57:52 --> 00:57:54
			but that's the Ottoman perspective. And lastly,
		
00:57:56 --> 00:57:57
			that's the Ottoman
		
00:57:58 --> 00:57:59
			perspective. And lastly, this notion that this notion
		
00:57:59 --> 00:58:00
			that the Ottomans were the sick man of
		
00:58:00 --> 00:58:01
			Europe, this was a turn out of Poland
		
00:58:01 --> 00:58:02
			and then
		
00:58:02 --> 00:58:04
			it was repeated by the British and French
		
00:58:04 --> 00:58:06
			media at the time. Yes. The Ottomans
		
00:58:07 --> 00:58:09
			were technologically
		
00:58:10 --> 00:58:10
			back
		
00:58:10 --> 00:58:13
			or pretty late, they were as advanced as
		
00:58:13 --> 00:58:15
			their respective European counterparts.
		
00:58:16 --> 00:58:18
			Unless the Ottomans were really the sick men
		
00:58:18 --> 00:58:19
			of Europe, would they have won the Moscow
		
00:58:19 --> 00:58:20
			Gavi? Or would they have won the
		
00:58:34 --> 00:58:34
			were
		
00:58:35 --> 00:58:36
			that sick, that updated. They were not able
		
00:58:36 --> 00:58:37
			to accomplish all military victories. It was only
		
00:58:38 --> 00:58:39
			a lobby
		
00:58:39 --> 00:58:41
			through the Arab Revolt
		
00:58:42 --> 00:58:44
			that they managed to destabilize and successfully beat
		
00:58:44 --> 00:58:47
			the Ottoman Empire. So yes, the Ottomans at
		
00:58:47 --> 00:58:49
			least going went into
		
00:58:50 --> 00:58:52
			the mid to late 19th century and then
		
00:58:52 --> 00:58:53
			into World War 1. Yes. They weren't as
		
00:58:53 --> 00:58:56
			advanced and military prepared or economically strong
		
00:58:56 --> 00:58:57
			or intellectually
		
00:58:58 --> 00:58:58
			on point
		
00:58:59 --> 00:59:00
			as their European counterparts,
		
00:59:01 --> 00:59:02
			but they were they were fluffing in the
		
00:59:02 --> 00:59:03
			sick man of Europe.
		
00:59:04 --> 00:59:07
			And also, mothers and sisters and friends are
		
00:59:07 --> 00:59:07
			the main,
		
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			negatives, but we have to be very important
		
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			when reading history
		
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			of distinguishing facts and propaganda.
		
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			To conclude,
		
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			the last seat
		
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			of the country.
		
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			And not only that,
		
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			there's an element of connection
		
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			that Muslims in 2018
		
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			are able to have with the Ottoman history.
		
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			Why? Because when you think about
		
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			when you think about the radical articulators
		
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			or the makers of the Abbasids or or
		
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			the Uyghurs or whichever dynasty, or the Sogotho
		
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			country of Africa,
		
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			whatever it may be.
		
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			In terms of time and distance, the Ottomans
		
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			are very close to us. Only 90 4
		
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			years ago, some of our grandparents or great
		
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			grandparents would have no longer bought a hotel.
		
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			Constantinople, Istanbul is only a 3 hour flight
		
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			from here.
		
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			Annexing and deciding
		
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			how the Ottoman territories would be taken.
		
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			And last but not least,
		
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			a number of Islamic revivalist movements that came
		
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			in the early 20th century,
		
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			they looked towards the Ottomans
		
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			for inspiration
		
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			because the struggle was similar.
		
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			This struggle with the concept of nationalism, nation
		
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			states, and secularism,
		
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			what was the role of religion in terms
		
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			of state policy and the public sphere, and
		
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			all of that. What what what were the
		
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			cause of decline? So a number of Islamic
		
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			revival.
		
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			That image there
		
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			is of
		
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			Turkish protesters when we, attempted coup took place
		
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			in Turkey, had been in Vienna a few
		
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			years ago.
		
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			Obviously, that's the flag of the republic.
		
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			And that green flag is the flag of
		
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			the Ottoman Caliphate,
		
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			with 3 presence representing,
		
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			of course,
		
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			Africa,
		
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			Asia, and Europe.
		
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			So this is why
		
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			the legacy
		
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			of the Ottomans
		
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			and its history is important to us.
		
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			Because 625
		
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			years of it makes up Islamic civilization.
		
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			So, you know, we can't just ignore that.
		
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			Right? And there's always places to us. And
		
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			there is a plethora of reasons
		
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			and and and,
		
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			realities
		
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			which we are experiencing today. The Ottoman also
		
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			faced more than 100 years ago.
		
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			Patients.
		
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			And
		
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			here we have the lecture halls in ACOG.
		
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			Yeah. Kind of Gilletteos, a specific type of
		
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			Gilletteos.
		
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			My first question would be, how would you
		
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			go about reestablishing that? Do you think you
		
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			should be established that in your watch? And
		
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			number 2, just how would you What's that
		
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			thought of my thing? You mean by getting
		
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			into
		
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			For 13 centuries,
		
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			neither of those dynasties or qualities
		
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			were preceded backward. So there's no reason that
		
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			if a quality of this nature were to
		
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			reemerge in our own time, insha'Allah,
		
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			why it shouldn't have the the same trappings,
		
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			if not more, at least trappings
		
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			will say that, no. We have to, rally,
		
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			certain elements within the warning and lead to
		
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			the Muslim majority. Well, be it the military,
		
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			be it powerful politicians.
		
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			Will say, no. We will fight.
		
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			We will fight and take the authority,
		
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			by force. So there's a number of different
		
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			perspectives and different issues he has as to
		
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			how this Khalifa will will establish. Gulakkasey, that
		
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			we seek to live that time. And
		
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			150
		
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			years at best.
		
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			What? So in that regard,
		
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			we shouldn't be scared, because one of the
		
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			strategies
		
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			of colonizing the Muslim mindset and Muslim psyche
		
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			was taken
		
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			away. Certain expressive
		
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			terms that were very common within the empire
		
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			had been taken away. So it wasn't just
		
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			a language change, right, which which was the
		
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			kind of the last nail in the coffin
		
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			in terms of intellectual decline.
		
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			That was the last nail in the coffin.
		
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			It was literally Kamal Ataturk overnight
		
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			had had implemented this very utterly secular policy.
		
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			Right?
		
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			What were the ramifications of it? The ramifications
		
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			of it was that there was a huge
		
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			disconnection
		
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			between
		
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			both Turks
		
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			who were born in that period
		
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			and their connection with their Ottoman legacy
		
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			and
		
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			a connection with the Islamic,
		
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			culture
		
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			and legacy of the Ottomans. Because as I
		
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			mentioned, the Ottoman Empire
		
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			your descendants and your great British history. Is
		
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			that a major modification? We need to move
		
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			away from this kind
		
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			of Arabic who's replacing Latin. Guess that took
		
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			place, but it was the spirit of the
		
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			language,
		
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			the expression of that language, what that language
		
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			represented.
		
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			But I personally believe that you can replace
		
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			any language from any language. Right? But as
		
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			soon as you literally remove
		
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			scholastic and religious expressions or cultural expressions,
		
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			that's a different, matter which, Kamar will take
		
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			it.
		
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			In terms of its role, in terms of
		
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			decline,
		
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			there is an argument that after the Crimean
		
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			campaign
		
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			of 19th century, the mid well, give me
		
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			2 days. I won't go long. The mid
		
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			to late 19th century of the war the
		
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			the Crimean war,
		
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			that that was the first time that the
		
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			Ottoman Empire had fallen into debt with the
		
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			border of France, and that debt accrued
		
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			interest.
		
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			Prior to the Crimean War, it was unheard
		
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			of to have interest based loans or debts
		
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			unless it was practiced
		
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			by, Jewish financiers, which it was halal for
		
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			them within the empire.
		
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			But for the empire, they were not allowed
		
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			to give or take any kind of interest
		
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			based
		
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			loans. It's after the Crimean War that
		
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			the Ottoman army faced huge losses.
		
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			And to rebuild the army, it required money,
		
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			money which they did not have. So they
		
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			got the money from Britain and France.
		
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			And that basically
		
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			accrued interest. Was that stand alone reason for
		
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			decline? No. We have to also appreciate
		
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			that once they had that 28 year period
		
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			of peace, that military campaigns of warfare was
		
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			a source of revenue.
		
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			It was a source of revenue. Hanima, Houthi,
		
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			tax, all of this stuff contributed equality to
		
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			the strength of the state. Not just the
		
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			Ottoman Empire, any states. Right? So for 28
		
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			years, they stopped those military campaigns.
		
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			And whilst respective European powers were well underway
		
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			in exploring different lands and carrying out their
		
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			own military campaigns, naturally,
		
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			I don't I I for my reading, I've
		
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			not really seen a connection between that because
		
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			it could be argued that from as
		
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			early as, Sultan ul Haqam, who was the
		
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			second ruler or Sultan ul Haqam the first,
		
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			he said that even up until 19th century,
		
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			the degree of welfare within the Ottoman Empire
		
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			was very advanced.
		
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			But that's not to say that there were
		
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			shortcomings and failures.
		
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			That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that there
		
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			may have been a spiritual decline. The very
		
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			fact of of an overindulgent and extravagant life
		
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			is an indication
		
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			of a spiritual,
		
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			faulting. I
		
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			can't really I know you asked me to
		
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			comment on that. But was there a link
		
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			between this spiritual decline or this kind of
		
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			overindulgence and the way they treat their poor?
		
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			From my reading, I don't think there was
		
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			because they expressed a huge importance on the
		
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			role of the Waq and the collection of
		
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			Jiziyan and Zakkad and his British division. Oh,
		
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			I'm asking questions.
		
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			Which were heavy influence and inspired by European
		
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			powers, namely France and Germany,
		
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			was that to revive the state, there had
		
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			to be something which binded its citizens
		
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			strongly
		
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			Islamic culture or Abrahamic
		
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			shared values. Right? And that's when we start
		
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			seeing the birth of Turkish nationalism,
		
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			whereby
		
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			great influence and emphasis were given to the
		
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			Turkish identity of the state
		
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			as opposed to its Islamic identity. Remember, the
		
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			Turks or the Ottomans were consistently involved to
		
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			be entirely unapologetically
		
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			Turk, the Palestine and the Ottoman. That changed
		
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			with the birth of the young Turk movement.
		
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			And one of the strategies to counter that
		
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			Because it's assholes. The way we dress, the
		
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			way we live our lives culturally as Muslims,
		
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			and and some of the things that we
		
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			try to imitate from different cultures and societies
		
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			is the sunnah of humanity
		
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			that less
		
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			That in these regions, there were, at times,
		
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			accusations
		
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			of oppressive rule of certain Ottoman governors.
		
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			Right?
		
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			That they favored
		
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			Turks in positions of authority
		
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			in comparison to, let's say, the Arab share
		
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			and tribes of those respective areas. There were
		
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			those accusation,
		
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			especially under the ruler of Muhammad Ali Qasha,
		
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			who was the governor of Egypt. But generally
		
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			speaking
		
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			generally speaking,
		
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			Arabs are the type of codistic because you
		
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			have Kurds, you have Arabs
		
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			in military positions,
		
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			but there were instances of certain governors who
		
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			had press response and all that that contributed
		
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			to the grievance date.
		
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			How come, the Mughals had, like, a warm
		
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			and kind of sense towards the Ottoman Empire
		
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			whereas, like, the other Islamic empires such as
		
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			the Mongols,
		
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			there was disparity in tension between them. How
		
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			come, like, they were they were different in
		
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			in those words?
		
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			I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. So so,
		
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			like, do you know how, like, in your
		
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			it's like you said, the Mughals had a
		
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			warm sense or outlook towards the Ottoman Empire
		
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			whereas, the Mongols had a a very different
		
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			and hostile approach towards them. Why was that
		
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			that difference? Good question. So just to quickly
		
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			go over that, brother asked why was there
		
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			a different kind of relationship between certain Muslim
		
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			Eastern empires with the Ottomans? Number 1, the
		
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			Safavids
		
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			were Shia. They were Persians.
		
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			Had a very antagonistic,
		
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			hostile relationship with the with the Ottomans was
		
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			that, number 1, they were protecting
		
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			the Abbasid caves.
		
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			Right? So for the Ottomans,
		
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			they respected
		
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			they respected the normative position that you cannot
		
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			announce Pylak when there's a Pylak already in
		
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			existence, not how useless and knowing them and
		
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			ceremonial it may be. They respected that nation
		
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			opinion that there's a belief in the second
		
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			killer letter, so they never declared it until
		
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			they defeated the
		
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			and they've always started to kind of return
		
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			to that glory. So they tend to have
		
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			played a key role in rebellions and uprising
		
01:24:12 --> 01:24:14
			in Egypt. So that was why there was
		
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			a very negative and hostile relation to the
		
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			monks because the Ottomans ultimately defeated them. And
		
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			the