Dilly Hussain – Uyghur Muslims of East Turkestan

Dilly Hussain
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The Uighurs, a group of Muslims who were part of a wider Turkish tribal configured region, were predominantly located in Central Asia. The Haganate period lasted until the late 1800s, when the Uighurs were thrown into a new region called loaning, where they were mostly 80-90% black. The Haganate period lasted until the late 1800s, when the Uighurs were thrown into a new region called loaning, where they were mostly 80-90% black. The Chinese government has implemented policies aimed at the Uighurs, but they have also failed to achieve their goals of freedom and self determination. The speaker discusses the historical and political moments of Islam's failure to overcome structural Islamophobia and the need for a strong message in publicity. The Haganate period lasted until the late 1800s, when the Uighurs were thrown into a new region called loaning, where they were mostly 80-90% black. The Haganate period lasted until the late
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The Muslims of Jin Yang. I was actually

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speaking to brother, David just a second ago.

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He was saying, I was pleasantly surprised how,

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we decided to speak in this topic because

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this group of Muslims are perhaps the one

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of the most oppressed groups of Muslims in

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the world. And there's a rich history behind

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them that we often don't hear about.

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Before we begin, I'd like to ask, to

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kind of follow the side for the first

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before I.

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Assalamu alaikum, my dear brothers, sisters, and friends.

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I want to begin by thanking UCL ISOC,

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for inviting me to deliver this lecture today,

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on a very important group of Muslims,

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who have arguably been

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neglected

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to some degree. And when I say neglected,

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it's because

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we are all aware of the oppression and

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the persecution of our brothers and sisters in

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places like Syria,

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in Palestine,

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in Kashmir, in Iraq, in Afghanistan,

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even in Myanmar.

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However,

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even myself, I wasn't even aware that there

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were 20,000,000 Muslims in an area called Xinyang

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until about 4 to 5 years ago.

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And it is arguably

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a fact that they are perhaps one of

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the most persecuted Muslims

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today. And

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we will elaborate on this later on in

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the lecture. So who are the Muslims of

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Shing Yang?

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So before we proceed with this lecture, I

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think it's important that we clarify some terms,

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labels, and geography.

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The Muslims of Xinjiang are in fact the

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Uyghur Muslims or in Turkish, they say

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And they are ethnic Turks.

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And the term Xinjiang is in fact a

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Chinese colonial name for occupied East Turkestan.

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Now for the sake of solidarity and unity

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with our brothers and sisters in East Turkestan,

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I will not be referring to this area

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as Xinjiang.

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I will be referring to this area as

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East Turkestan.

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Now for those of you who are wondering

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what does what is Turkestan?

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Turkestan in Persian basically means the land of

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the Turks.

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And

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it covers modern day Kazakhstan,

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Turkmenistan,

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Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and parts of Afghanistan and

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China. That's what makes up,

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Turkestan.

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And East Turkestan is what the Chinese refer

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to as Xinyang.

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And before I proceed, I have

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a treat for you guys. I've got a

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special message

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from my brother called Abdul Ghani Thabit, who

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is a Uighur Muslim activist based in Netherlands.

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But he was born in Iturkistan, and he

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sent this message to you all today.

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Just bear with me.

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There

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we go. Let's go put the volume up.

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Can you put the volume up on this?

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Apologies.

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Yep. That's fine. Yeah.

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Before occupation

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of the establishment, we had only a 4%

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Chinese,

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who lives in Uzbekistan.

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After occupation, the Chinese government who takes on

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abroad and many of, hang China to Uzbekistan.

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Today, they are nearly become the enduring population

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of Israel.

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The China occupation of Uzbekistan,

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China had,

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systematically common genocide segment of Uyghur Muslims

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in 1949

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until

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Such as,

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test nuclear bomb and birth control policy attacking

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Islamic and Muslim identities

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in Afghanistan.

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Especially after a political war and terror, China

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got a golden opportunity

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to torture a

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chignette, professor of ignorance.

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And for example, the Muslim women not allowed

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their hijab at a public place like schools,

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hospitals.

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And also Muslim men uploaded,

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groups appeared.

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And Muslim women and men and children not

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allowed to study Islam books.

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Especially,

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like, after the Syrian

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revolution, the China government doubled its social policy

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against the Uyghurs,

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and they called Uyghurs to the Buddhist study

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abroad back to the eastern.

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And also the forced, the Dems of Uyghurs,

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imams,

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and forced the Muslims to dance and sing

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a national anthem,

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And also,

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call

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Force of Uyghurs,

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installed cyber citizen computers,

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and the gas of Uyghurs at a reeducation

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camp.

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And for the time, thank you very much

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for your time. I wish you had a

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success,

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lecture. Thank you very much. Assalamu alaykum.

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Assalamu alaykum

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for brother Abdul Ghani who helped me a

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lot in preparation

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for today's lecture.

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So a bit of background and context with

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regards to who the Uighur Muslims are. So

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as mentioned earlier, the Uighurs are one of

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many tribes from the Oghuz branch of Turks.

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Oguz Khan was, one of the founding fathers

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or was the founding father of

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the Turkish nation or the many Turkish tribes

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that exist today, and that's a statue of

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him in Turkmenistan.

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Historically speaking, the Uighurs were part of a

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wider Turkish tribal federation.

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And they were predominantly located in Central Asia.

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And you'll see in the medieval period that

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they were heavily influenced culturally,

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by the Persians and the Mongols whilst preserving

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and maintaining their own rich Islamic culture.

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And in terms of the religion of the

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Uighurs, I know today's lecture is on the

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Muslims of Xinyang. So I won't focus too

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much at all on pre Islam.

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But before Islam, the religion

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of the Uighurs and generally speaking the Turkish

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tribes was shamanism

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or Tengism,

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specifically speaking. And that's basically

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the worship of weather, sun, moon, winter, rain,

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grass, nature,

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and also an excessive reverence of their predecessors.

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As years went on, some adopted Buddhism. But

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it's only at the middle of 10th century

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and late 10th century that they started accepting

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Islam in significant numbers. And when they did,

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they were predominantly Sunni and they followed Hanafi

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madhab and they were of Sufi orientation.

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Things have changed since then, but when they

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did initially come to Islam, that was their

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orientation.

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And the history of Uighurs is a very

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rich and long one and one that I

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certainly cannot do much justice to in half

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an hour, 40 minutes. And it's usually broken

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up into 7 periods. And I'm only gonna

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focus on the latter 3.

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So you had the pre imperial,

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period between 300 BC to 630 CE. They

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were not Muslim. The imperial period, which was

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6 30 to 840, they weren't Muslim then.

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And then you have the Indukut period between

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840 to 1200,

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where then we started seeing that the Uyghurs

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then started accepting Islam. And, of course, by

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the time of the Mongol expansion between 1200

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to 1760,

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the Uighurs had by this time became Muslim.

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But the three periods which I will be

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focusing on on today's lecture

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is first and foremost, the occupation and the

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annexation by the Manchu Empire

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or the Qing dynasty between 17/60

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to 1910,

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then the brief period of the East Turkestan

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Republics between 1910 to 1949,

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and, of course, the period of communist China

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to the present day. And the reason why

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I'm gonna focus on these three periods is

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because it's absolutely relevant to understanding the context

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and the reality of our brothers and sisters,

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in East Turkistan today.

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And that image is just of some Uighur

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fighters,

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in the medieval period.

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Famously speaking, you know, we're all aware of

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who the Ottomans are, who the Seljuks are,

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who the Ghaznavids are, and many, many well

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known Turkish, Sultanates or empires or caliphates. But

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the Uyghurs, we don't really hear much about

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them. And they have had empires, but generally

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speaking, it was nothing that was that significant

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where they had, land span across continents.

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Unfortunately,

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the the the longevity of these empires were

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very short lived. But here are a list

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of a few Uighur empires or Khanates.

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You had the Uighur Haganate between 744 to

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840. They were not Muslim.

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The Gamsu Kingdom between 8 70 to 10

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36, they were not Muslim. The Kocho Kingdom

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or known as Uyghuristan between 856 to 866,

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they were not Muslim either. But it was

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only until the time of the Harakhanid Khanate,

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which lasted between 8:40 to 12:12.

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But that empire had accepted Islam in 9:34

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under under Sultan Bughril Khan. And that's when

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we started seeing significant numbers of Uighurs accepting

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Islam.

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And then of course,

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we're all aware of the Mongol Empire.

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The the the savagery, the destruction, and the

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madness that they cause in the Muslim world,

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most famously the sacking of Baghdad.

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But

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within a 100 years of the Mongol Empire,

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3 offshoots

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of the Mongol Empire accepted Islam.

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And they were the Chagatai Khanate, the Golden

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Horde and the Ilkhanate.

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These 3 offshoots of the Mongol Empire accepted

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Islam. From the 3, the Chagatai Khanate

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became Mughalistan.

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So for those of you from the subcontinent,

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you have heard of the Mughal Empire. They

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were descendants of the Mongols.

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Some have even said that even the Ottomans

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and the Safavids have also shared the lineage

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from the Mongols. So Mughalistan

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was essentially East Chagatai Khanate,

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and it was under this empire or this

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state where the Uighur Muslims flourished.

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They experienced

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stability and security.

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They reached positions of power and authority.

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And it was within this period, if you

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look at the map, that middle bit there

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where it says Chagatai,

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in its eastern flank fell east Turkestan, which

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is modern day China now.

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So if we start by looking at the

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occupational annexation by the Manchu Empire between 17/60

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to 1910.

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So the Manchu Empire is essentially when I'm

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talking about them, we're talking about the Qing

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Dynasty. And the Qing Dynasty were the last

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imperial Chinese empire. So if you saw in

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the previous slide, the Mughalistan lasted between 1347

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to 16 80. Because when the decline began,

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the Manchu empire then started conquering and and

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carrying out offensives towards Mughalistan in the mid

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18th century.

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And by 18/84,

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East Turkestan, which is part of the East

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Chagatai Khanate,

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had been,

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fully controlled and dominated by the Manchu Empire.

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And after 8 years of war, it was

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renamed Xinyang

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on the 18th November 18, 84. And Xinjiang

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in Chinese basically means new frontier or new

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land.

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And this is when we really started to

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see the systematic

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and the structural

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criminalization

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and oppression of the Uighur Muslim from a

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cultural, religious, and racial perspective. And, ultimately,

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the reality which the Uighur Muslims find themselves

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today is a mere continuation of this colonial

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policy

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by the Manchu empire which has been preserved,

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and and continued and eve and even worsened,

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since this period in history.

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The Manchu empire was overthrown

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in 1911 by Chinese nationalists.

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And then East Turkestan then went from the

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control of the Manchu Empire to Chinese warlords.

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And it was in 1920 that we started

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seeing the birth of Uighur nationalism,

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which was essentially backed by Soviet Russia. And

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in 1921, the Soviets met with a number

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of Turkish leaders in Tashkent in Uzbekistan.

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They met with leaders from from Tajikistan,

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Turkmenistan,

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Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan.

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They met with all the leaders from these

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countries, which then very late later became satellite

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states as part of the the Soviet Union.

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And so,

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the leaders of Turkestan were also part of

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these meetings that were taking place. And, basically,

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Russia

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said to them, look.

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Go for your independence.

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Counter the Chinese. But in reality, all the

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Soviets really wanted was vessel states, satellite states

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which they could, spread their communist ideology and

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which they can use for their hegemonic,

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interests.

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So in 1933,

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we saw the birth of the first,

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East Turkestan Republic, which is named Turkish Islamic

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Republic of East Turkestan. That's their flag there.

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And it barely lasted a year, and it

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was directly backed by Joseph Stalin.

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And the republic was defeated in 1934

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in the battle of Kashgar, which fell under

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the wider Xinjiang wars. So this first republic

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barely lasted a year. And then

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10 years

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later, the 2nd republic was born, which was

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named East Turkestan Republic, which was essentially a

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Soviet satellite state.

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And there you can see some fighters,

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some generals from the 1st republic

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there.

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And in 13th October 1949,

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communist China regains control of Isokistan.

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And then 6 years later, it renames this

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region

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as Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China. But

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in reality, it was anything but autonomous.

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So what is the situation

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of the Uighur Muslims today from 1949

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to the present day? So you will have

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handouts.

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And in that handout, there's a timeline of

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key events,

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from around 18/76

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to the present day. And you'll see endless

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number of,

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protests and resistance movements,

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which were violently shut down.

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Thousands upon thousands of Uighur Muslim activists, predominantly,

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you know, students.

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Many of our Uighur sisters

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had led protests, and there have been thousands

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upon thousands of arrests,

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extrajudicial

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killing,

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kidnappings,

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and so forth.

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But from 1949 to the present day, we

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have seen an extension and a continuation of

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the of the racist and Islamophobic

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policies of the Manchu empire. And as brother

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Abdul Ghani mentioned in his brief video, there

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has been a systematic

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migration

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by the Chinese government to move

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Han ethnic Han Chinese to the region of

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Ishtarqistan.

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Now,

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in essence, there isn't an issue with migration.

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However, there is an issue with systematic migration

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when there's when there's demographic politics at play.

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And what's essentially happened in Islkistan

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is very similar, if not identical,

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to what's happened in Israel where European Jews

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were moved to this land on mass,

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to basically counter the Palestinian demographic. And that's

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exactly what's happened in Ishtaristan

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where they were predominantly 80 to 90% Muslim.

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Now they barely make half. And what happens

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when this when this kind of systematic migration

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takes place? You then start seeing racial discrimination,

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religious persecution, and socioeconomic

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marginalization in terms of job prospects,

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in terms of,

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you know, economic,

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vibrance,

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In terms of just generally how successful and

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the opportunities which are there for the Han

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Chinese of that region is not necessarily there

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at all for the Uighur Muslims of Ishtaristan.

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And before I go on to the war

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on terror, what kind of policies am I

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talking about? So as Baba Abdul Haeni mentioned,

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before the war on terror, men were not

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allowed to have beards.

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Or in some areas, they were only allowed

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to have beards at a certain length.

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Muslim women who worked in public offices were

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not allowed to wear their hijab. And if

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you did work in the in public offices,

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you were not allowed to fast during Ramadan.

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Men were not allowed to wear trousers above

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their ankles.

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More recently, you cannot even possess a copy

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of the Quran in public. This is punishable

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by law. You can be fined or imprisoned.

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We started then seeing the introduction of reeducation

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camps, which is just a fanciful word for

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prisons. And this is where 100, if not

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1000 of Uighur Muslims, men and women, would

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be sent to these reeducation

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camps. And they would be forced

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literally

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to sing the national anthem, to understand Maoist

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ideology,

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to understand Confucius philosophy.

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There have been some accounts where they've been

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forced to drink alcohol

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and dance with each other's women. And this

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was apparently the reeducation attempt of Uighur Muslims.

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And then we had the war on terror.

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And when the war on terror happened, this

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was an apt opportunity for the Chinese government

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to then now really, really increase the suppression

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of the Uighur Muslims.

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And because

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where they were previously

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criminalized for being separatists and nationalist,

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they were now Islamist extremists. They were now

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ISIS supporters. They were now,

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terrorists who basically want to establish an Islamic

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state in this region. And we've seen this

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similar rhetoric

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by Russia. We've seen this similar rhetoric by

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regimes in the Muslim majority world,

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mainly in Egypt and other parts, where as

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soon as the war on terror kicked off,

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it was just an ace card for them

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to now start criminalizing the entirety of Islam

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and Muslims.

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So the war on terror,

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basically just extended and increased further policies. And

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now as we speak, there is a document,

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which basically has

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135 signs of radicalization.

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So for those of you who know about

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the prevent strategy in the UK, they have

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this thing called the 22 signs of radicalization.

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The Chinese have a 135

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signs of radicalization. And that document there at

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the bottom

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is basically an official Chinese,

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document which basically says that an x number

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of reeducation camps have been established and that

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is compulsory

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for for men and women of a certain

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age to attend these reeducation

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camps.

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And, of course, there has been policies, endless

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policies to forcibly,

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make Uighur Muslims assimilate to Chinese values. Now

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China itself

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is a a a multi ethnic diverse country,

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with so many different ethnicities.

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However, it is only been the Uighur Muslims

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that have been targeted

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to forcibly assimilate to Chinese values and philosophies.

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Now if one studies Confucianism

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or or Maoist ideology,

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at its root, it's at loggerheads with Islamic

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values, ethics, and principles.

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Yet, it is only the Uighur Muslims who

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are being forcibly

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made to adopt these values, ethics, and principles.

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And ultimately,

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we cannot deny that what's going on here

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is

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state and structural Islamophobia.

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Now I've got another video that I'd like

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to play to you all.

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And it was produced

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by the online forum

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documenting oppression against Muslims.

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And it was it is a reenactment

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of real life scenarios of what happens if

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you get caught in possession of the Quran.

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So this video was,

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based upon real life accounts by Uighur Muslims

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who have been caught with the Quran by

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Chinese authorities.

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So whilst the Chinese government have denied issuing

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such policies,

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Uighur activists,

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and human rights groups,

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in that region and in the west have

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confirmed that such policies have been implemented.

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And there are people in prison as we

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speak for merely possessing a copy of the

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Quran.

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Brothers and sisters, I think it's important to

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understand

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that there was a time,

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for at least 40 to 50 years under

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Soviet

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Russia

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where many many Muslim countries which had communist

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regimes

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that Islam and Quran classes and Tajweed classes

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and stuff like this was essentially taught privately

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in in secrecy. But this all changed once

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the downfall of the Soviet Russia came in

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1989 to, 1990.

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However, this condition

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still exists in, Eastern Kurdistan,

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where literally to be a Muslim,

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you need to be doing all of this

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in private or in secrecy.

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One brother sent me a photo, not too

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long ago,

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where you don't see men with beards anymore.

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Not because they don't want to keep beards,

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but simply because you will get fined and

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arrested and they can't even afford the fines.

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That is the reality

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that our brothers and sisters in the istru

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kisthan face. And on top of this, you've

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got other issues

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like birth control. So whenever,

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Muslim women have health issues and they go

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to the doctors,

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they have been given

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pills which essentially

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make them sterile. Alright? And whilst again the

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Chinese government has denied this, and this is

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something that has been transmitted and confirmed by

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a number of human rights groups as well

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as Uighur activists in the region. And in

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the sixties seventies, the Chinese government specifically chose

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the Isdal kistan region to trial out nuclear

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weapons. That is the condition of our brothers

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and sisters in eastern eastern as we speak.

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Now

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it's all good and well that I can

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stand in front of you all today and

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regurgitate and relay historical facts, important days, important

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figures.

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But in in reality,

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you know, these are not bedtime stories. These

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are these are not stories which make us

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feel bad right now. And then as soon

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as you leave,

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oh, things

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will be okay. No. We do we must

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draw lessons Just like we draw lessons from

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the seerah, just like we draw lessons from

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our history, we draw lessons from the experience

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of oppressed Muslims and see what can we

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learn as Muslims living in the UK,

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from,

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the the Uighur experience. So first and foremost,

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the first lesson

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I identified

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was the failure of post colonial nationalism.

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Now

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the Muslim majority world, though it's not exclusively

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restricted to this,

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we saw that when European colonialism, in this

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case, Chinese colonialism,

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when they came, they colonized these lands, they

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looted the resources.

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When they left and gave these countries so

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called independence

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and gave and and the nationalist movements won,

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you find that many generals, many kings,

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many despotic rulers were left there to merely

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preserve and maintain and continue

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that colonial hegemony,

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and that the era of colonialism may have

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changed but in words.

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And the similar thing happened unfortunately with the

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Uighurs in that republican period that we spoke

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about where they had successfully established 2 independent

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republics, but they were very short lived. And

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they were short lived because it was based

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upon the premise and the assistance of Soviet

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Russia.

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Another

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promising lesson we can take as well is

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that once every ism has failed,

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in Muslim majority countries in in the hope

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of establishing freedom and their own self determination

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after socialism failed, after communism failed,

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after,

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Pan Arabism failed, after Pan Turkism failed, after

00:31:02 --> 00:31:03

all these different isms

00:31:04 --> 00:31:08

failed, we start increasingly seeing Muslims,

00:31:09 --> 00:31:11

oppressed groups turning towards Islam.

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And when I say Islam, I'm not referring

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to Islamism because I reject this term. I

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reject this term because a highly politicized term

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used to discredit

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the genuine sentiments and the direction of many

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many Islamic movements

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in in the Muslim majority world today. And

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when I say even that they're starting to

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turn to Islam is that the groups,

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whether they be the Uyghurs, whether they be

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the Palestinians, whether they be the Syrians, or

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our brothers and sisters in Kashmir, or wherever

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they may be, even the Rohingya.

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When they realize

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that every state ideology or every ideology has

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failed us in terms of achieving us true

00:31:44 --> 00:31:45

justice,

00:31:45 --> 00:31:46

and self determination,

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they turned to Islam. And the reason why

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they turned to Islam is because they realized

00:31:50 --> 00:31:52

why are we being persecuted?

00:31:53 --> 00:31:55

Are Are we are we being persecuted because

00:31:55 --> 00:31:57

we follow these different ideologies? Well, no. If

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they're looking to not make us wear beards

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and not make us wear trousers and not

00:32:00 --> 00:32:02

making our women wear hijab and that means

00:32:02 --> 00:32:06

that ultimately these regimes are ultimately after the

00:32:06 --> 00:32:08

very fundamentals and the basics of our religion.

00:32:08 --> 00:32:09

So therefore,

00:32:09 --> 00:32:12

a solution must lie in our religion and

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how to overcome

00:32:13 --> 00:32:14

this situation.

00:32:14 --> 00:32:17

So we then have seen

00:32:18 --> 00:32:21

small small resistance groups in Islurkistan

00:32:21 --> 00:32:23

and you live in Hirabati, in Myanmar, very

00:32:23 --> 00:32:27

small groups, you know, who are Islamically orientated,

00:32:27 --> 00:32:30

and they basically have abandoned previous ideologies which

00:32:30 --> 00:32:32

they had hoped in in terms of establishing

00:32:32 --> 00:32:34

justice for their people.

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And lastly,

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a lesson that we can learn

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is state Islamophobia

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and forced assimilation.

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Now whilst living in the UK as Muslims,

00:32:43 --> 00:32:45

we're not being abducted, we're not being kidnapped,

00:32:45 --> 00:32:47

we're not being forced to go to concentration

00:32:47 --> 00:32:49

camps, we're not being told that our women

00:32:49 --> 00:32:51

can't wear hijab, we're not being given sterilization

00:32:51 --> 00:32:52

pills when we go to the doctors.

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But we are also experiencing state Islamophobia.

00:32:56 --> 00:32:58

For the best part of 15 years since

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9/11,

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we have seen endless number of counterterrorism

00:33:01 --> 00:33:02

policies,

00:33:03 --> 00:33:03

that have

00:33:04 --> 00:33:05

apparently

00:33:05 --> 00:33:06

been discriminatively,

00:33:07 --> 00:33:08

witch hunting Islam and Muslims.

00:33:09 --> 00:33:11

Whether it be the prevent strategy, whether it

00:33:11 --> 00:33:13

be, the channel program. Anyone heard of the

00:33:13 --> 00:33:14

channel program here?

00:33:15 --> 00:33:17

Channel program? What do they call the channel

00:33:17 --> 00:33:19

program? They call it a deradicalization

00:33:19 --> 00:33:22

program. That bears a lot of resemblance to

00:33:22 --> 00:33:25

the reeducation camps. Now, we were also aware

00:33:25 --> 00:33:27

that Ofsted has been talking about questioning young

00:33:27 --> 00:33:29

Muslim girls in schools about why they wear

00:33:29 --> 00:33:31

their hijab. We know that there is a

00:33:31 --> 00:33:33

a huge uproar about Muslim women wearing their

00:33:33 --> 00:33:36

niqab. We know that there's issues pertaining to

00:33:36 --> 00:33:38

how we have our seating plans in Islamic

00:33:38 --> 00:33:41

events. We know that the Islamic faith schools

00:33:41 --> 00:33:43

that were graded fantastic and adequate, but a

00:33:43 --> 00:33:45

year later, they were shut down or given

00:33:45 --> 00:33:46

the inadequate,

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rating. There is a plethora of issues that

00:33:49 --> 00:33:51

we are facing here as Muslims in the

00:33:51 --> 00:33:54

west, which is essentially structural Islamophobia.

00:33:55 --> 00:33:56

We know very well that there have been

00:33:56 --> 00:33:58

researches carried out that even your having your

00:33:58 --> 00:34:01

name as Mohammed or Hussein or Ali, when

00:34:01 --> 00:34:04

you hand in your CV, there is immediate

00:34:04 --> 00:34:06

disadvantage of you even getting an interview. Right?

00:34:06 --> 00:34:08

And that's not even going into,

00:34:09 --> 00:34:11

the the the structural Islamophobia that exists within

00:34:11 --> 00:34:14

the mainstream press. So we experience this. Yes.

00:34:14 --> 00:34:16

We're not being kidnapped. Yes. We're not being

00:34:16 --> 00:34:16

abducted.

00:34:17 --> 00:34:19

But we can at least, you know,

00:34:19 --> 00:34:20

empathize

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that we are experiencing to a much lesser

00:34:22 --> 00:34:25

degree structural Islamophobia here in the UK and

00:34:25 --> 00:34:26

forced assimilation.

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There's been endless discussions about integration. Muslims don't

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integrate. They don't do enough.

00:34:31 --> 00:34:34

If you study the concept or the policy

00:34:34 --> 00:34:36

of integration, integration is a two way thing.

00:34:36 --> 00:34:38

And to quote David Cameron in 2010,

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he said integration is a two way street

00:34:41 --> 00:34:43

where the host nation

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has to make those who are not the,

00:34:46 --> 00:34:48

indigenous people feel welcome. Obviously that changed very

00:34:48 --> 00:34:51

quickly throughout the years. But integration is one

00:34:51 --> 00:34:53

thing, assimilation is another thing.

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So these are some of the lessons that

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we can draw

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from, the experience of our Uighur brothers and

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sisters.

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And whilst I don't like to conclude on

00:35:03 --> 00:35:05

a doom and gloom and negative point,

00:35:06 --> 00:35:09

I wanna discuss some actions, some tangible things

00:35:09 --> 00:35:11

that we can do to aid our brothers

00:35:11 --> 00:35:13

and sisters in in in East Turkestan and

00:35:13 --> 00:35:15

wherever they be wherever they may be and

00:35:15 --> 00:35:16

oppress people generally.

00:35:17 --> 00:35:19

And that is ultimately to raise awareness, to

00:35:19 --> 00:35:21

be the eyes, the ears, the mouths of

00:35:21 --> 00:35:23

those who don't have that platform

00:35:23 --> 00:35:24

to disseminate

00:35:25 --> 00:35:26

and describe what they're experiencing.

00:35:27 --> 00:35:29

And that can happen by writing blogs and

00:35:29 --> 00:35:32

vlogs and discussing it on social media. Ignore

00:35:32 --> 00:35:33

those who say you're just a social media

00:35:33 --> 00:35:35

warrior. You'll be surprised. If those of you

00:35:35 --> 00:35:37

who follow the Arab Spring, a lot of

00:35:37 --> 00:35:39

the stuff that happened in Arab Spring was

00:35:39 --> 00:35:41

done via social media. A lot of the

00:35:41 --> 00:35:43

footage that happened in, the bombing of Gaza

00:35:44 --> 00:35:46

came through social media. So so don't think

00:35:46 --> 00:35:48

that social media is just a platform where

00:35:48 --> 00:35:51

people moan. No. You raise awareness. You discuss

00:35:51 --> 00:35:52

it with people, and you have and you

00:35:52 --> 00:35:54

need to articulate these arguments,

00:35:54 --> 00:35:56

when you when you experience people of another

00:35:56 --> 00:35:57

opinion.

00:35:57 --> 00:35:59

And of course, you need to reach out

00:35:59 --> 00:36:01

and network with Uighur Muslims. And not even

00:36:01 --> 00:36:04

as Uighur Muslims. Network I speak to, ethnic

00:36:04 --> 00:36:06

Chinese people. Just before this lecture, I I

00:36:06 --> 00:36:08

I noticed a number of Chinese students here.

00:36:08 --> 00:36:10

Would be wonderful if they stayed. We could

00:36:10 --> 00:36:12

have discussed this issue with them. Maybe some

00:36:12 --> 00:36:14

of them don't even know what's happening to

00:36:14 --> 00:36:17

20,000,000 people in this region called Xinjiang.

00:36:18 --> 00:36:20

Find out if you have any Uighur Muslims

00:36:20 --> 00:36:21

in UCL. See if you find any Uighur

00:36:21 --> 00:36:23

Muslims in London.

00:36:23 --> 00:36:25

Network with them. Reach out to them. Tell

00:36:25 --> 00:36:27

them that, you know, you feel for them,

00:36:27 --> 00:36:28

That they that they are your brothers and

00:36:28 --> 00:36:29

sisters and that if there's any way you

00:36:29 --> 00:36:32

can help, with their struggle in Is turquistan.

00:36:32 --> 00:36:35

And of course, we have to expose the

00:36:35 --> 00:36:36

Chinese government suppression.

00:36:36 --> 00:36:38

We know of the very famous hadith of

00:36:38 --> 00:36:41

prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam where he said

00:36:41 --> 00:36:43

that the best form of jihad is the

00:36:43 --> 00:36:45

word of truth to a tyrant leader.

00:36:45 --> 00:36:48

So therefore, we cannot remain silent

00:36:49 --> 00:36:51

whilst the Chinese government continues

00:36:51 --> 00:36:54

this kind of horrific policy towards our brothers

00:36:54 --> 00:36:57

and sisters. And and what is China? China

00:36:57 --> 00:36:59

claims to be a superpower. It is a

00:36:59 --> 00:37:01

superpower, 1 of 3 or 1 of 2

00:37:01 --> 00:37:04

superpowers that exist today. It claims it sits

00:37:04 --> 00:37:06

on, the US Security Council with a veto

00:37:06 --> 00:37:09

power. We cannot let this thing pass. We

00:37:09 --> 00:37:10

need to carry on,

00:37:10 --> 00:37:13

accounting them, writing to their embassies, speaking about

00:37:13 --> 00:37:15

with your local MPs and so forth. And

00:37:15 --> 00:37:17

on that very same basis, we need to

00:37:17 --> 00:37:18

account Muslim governments.

00:37:19 --> 00:37:20

The region of Isidorekistan

00:37:21 --> 00:37:21

borders

00:37:22 --> 00:37:23

5 Muslim countries.

00:37:24 --> 00:37:24

Afghanistan,

00:37:25 --> 00:37:25

Pakistan,

00:37:26 --> 00:37:26

Kazakhstan,

00:37:27 --> 00:37:27

Kyrgyzstan,

00:37:28 --> 00:37:28

Tajikistan.

00:37:29 --> 00:37:31

Okay. Afghanistan has its own many issues, but

00:37:31 --> 00:37:33

Pakistan do we have any Pakistani?

00:37:34 --> 00:37:35

See your hand up for Pakistanis?

00:37:37 --> 00:37:38

Pakistan

00:37:39 --> 00:37:41

Pakistan borders Pakistan borders East Turkestan

00:37:42 --> 00:37:44

in the Gilgit region. You heard of Gilgit?

00:37:45 --> 00:37:46

It's at the very north, next to the

00:37:46 --> 00:37:49

mountains. So the Pakistani government have increased,

00:37:50 --> 00:37:53

their warm relations and economic trades with China.

00:37:54 --> 00:37:55

Pakistan was founded

00:37:56 --> 00:37:58

on the premise of being an Islamic state,

00:37:59 --> 00:38:01

of being an Islamic republic, for being a

00:38:01 --> 00:38:02

safe haven

00:38:03 --> 00:38:05

for Muslims to follow their religion.

00:38:06 --> 00:38:08

But just across the border in the north,

00:38:08 --> 00:38:10

they got their brothers and sisters who cannot

00:38:10 --> 00:38:12

even possess the Quran in public.

00:38:13 --> 00:38:15

So I kindly ask for those of you

00:38:15 --> 00:38:17

who are of Pakistani origin, if you have

00:38:18 --> 00:38:20

relatives or friends in position of influence, ask

00:38:20 --> 00:38:20

them.

00:38:21 --> 00:38:22

Uncle, auntie,

00:38:22 --> 00:38:25

wasn't this country founded upon Islamic values to

00:38:25 --> 00:38:26

be a safe haven for Muslims?

00:38:27 --> 00:38:29

Why is it then that whilst we're making

00:38:29 --> 00:38:31

economic trades with China that our brothers and

00:38:31 --> 00:38:33

sisters are being oppressed? Now if this idea

00:38:33 --> 00:38:36

of accounting Muslim governments is far fetched,

00:38:36 --> 00:38:38

and some may will argue that, some may

00:38:38 --> 00:38:40

will say, well, you're crazy. How are you

00:38:40 --> 00:38:41

gonna account Muslim governments? Then we need to

00:38:41 --> 00:38:44

have another discussion. And that discussion is, how

00:38:44 --> 00:38:45

is it that we're living in a in

00:38:45 --> 00:38:46

in in

00:38:47 --> 00:38:49

a situation, in a global situation,

00:38:49 --> 00:38:52

in the age of secular nation states, whereby

00:38:52 --> 00:38:54

the concept of Islamic brotherhood

00:38:55 --> 00:38:56

has gone?

00:38:56 --> 00:38:59

That now artificial borders now dictate

00:38:59 --> 00:39:01

when or when not to intervene

00:39:01 --> 00:39:03

or assist your brothers and sisters.

00:39:03 --> 00:39:05

We have known from our rich history,

00:39:06 --> 00:39:08

whether it be the story of Salahuddin Alayoubhi

00:39:08 --> 00:39:09

Rahimahullah

00:39:09 --> 00:39:12

who fought the Crusaders and liberated Jerusalem, or

00:39:12 --> 00:39:14

whether it was Saif Qutuz who fought the

00:39:14 --> 00:39:14

Mongols

00:39:15 --> 00:39:17

and safeguarded Sham in Egypt. Whether it was

00:39:17 --> 00:39:19

Sultan Suleiman Al Qanun

00:39:20 --> 00:39:21

who fought

00:39:22 --> 00:39:22

the Persians,

00:39:23 --> 00:39:26

to protect, the Sunni Muslims in that region.

00:39:26 --> 00:39:28

Whether it be Sultan Fethi who went into

00:39:28 --> 00:39:29

Constantinople

00:39:30 --> 00:39:31

and and and liberated,

00:39:32 --> 00:39:32

Constantinople.

00:39:33 --> 00:39:36

Many many examples. Alp Arslan, many many examples

00:39:36 --> 00:39:37

whereby

00:39:37 --> 00:39:39

the sole reason for intervention

00:39:40 --> 00:39:41

was not to advance geopolitical

00:39:42 --> 00:39:42

interest

00:39:43 --> 00:39:45

or or or kind of empire kind of

00:39:45 --> 00:39:46

interest. It was solely because they felt as

00:39:46 --> 00:39:49

a religious duty that we have to go

00:39:49 --> 00:39:51

and assist our brothers and sisters while we're

00:39:51 --> 00:39:52

in oppression. And we know the famous story

00:39:52 --> 00:39:53

of Khalif

00:39:54 --> 00:39:56

When he heard the story of 1 woman

00:39:56 --> 00:39:58

being dishonored, he sent an

00:39:58 --> 00:39:59

army. Now

00:39:59 --> 00:40:00

these stories are nostalgic.

00:40:01 --> 00:40:03

They are romantic and it's nice. It makes

00:40:03 --> 00:40:05

you feel warm and fuzzy. But the reality

00:40:05 --> 00:40:08

is that these incidents did occur. There were

00:40:09 --> 00:40:11

men and women and states and empires

00:40:11 --> 00:40:14

who prided themselves in Islam that intervened

00:40:15 --> 00:40:16

to aid their brothers and sisters when they

00:40:17 --> 00:40:18

when it was needed.

00:40:19 --> 00:40:21

And of course, once we have exhausted everything,

00:40:21 --> 00:40:22

once we have exhausted,

00:40:23 --> 00:40:25

what we could do physically, what we could

00:40:25 --> 00:40:25

do financially,

00:40:26 --> 00:40:27

we make dua to

00:40:28 --> 00:40:29

Allah Every time, as much as time as

00:40:29 --> 00:40:32

possible. But once that camel has been tied,

00:40:33 --> 00:40:35

then we make dua to Allah So at

00:40:35 --> 00:40:37

least on your we can say that, You

00:40:37 --> 00:40:38

Rabb,

00:40:38 --> 00:40:40

I had access to this platform.

00:40:41 --> 00:40:43

I was able to write. I was able

00:40:43 --> 00:40:44

to speak. I was able to do many

00:40:44 --> 00:40:46

of these things and then I turned to

00:40:46 --> 00:40:48

You. Just like how prophet sallallahu alaihi wa

00:40:48 --> 00:40:50

sallam did in Badr and in many other

00:40:50 --> 00:40:52

encounters that he had. It is not a

00:40:52 --> 00:40:54

case of doing dua alone and not doing

00:40:54 --> 00:40:57

nothing when you can do it. And we

00:40:57 --> 00:40:57

know

00:40:58 --> 00:40:59

from the hadith of prophet sallallahu alaihi wa

00:40:59 --> 00:41:01

sallam when he said that the believers are

00:41:01 --> 00:41:03

those who when they see a munkar, they

00:41:03 --> 00:41:04

change it with their hands. As they're not

00:41:04 --> 00:41:06

able to do so, they speak out against

00:41:06 --> 00:41:08

it. And the lowest form of iman is

00:41:08 --> 00:41:10

to hate something from within. I am confident

00:41:10 --> 00:41:12

that every single one of us in this

00:41:12 --> 00:41:14

room can do more than just from hate

00:41:14 --> 00:41:14

it from within.

00:41:15 --> 00:41:17

And we also know that Allah subhanahu wa

00:41:17 --> 00:41:19

ta'ala says in a number of passages in

00:41:19 --> 00:41:21

the Quran that the believers are those who

00:41:21 --> 00:41:23

enjoin in all that is good and forbid

00:41:23 --> 00:41:26

all that is evil. So this is part

00:41:26 --> 00:41:29

of our ethical and moral and principle outlook

00:41:29 --> 00:41:31

in life. And not just with oppression experienced

00:41:31 --> 00:41:34

by Muslims, but oppression generally speaking.

00:41:34 --> 00:41:35

That should be our approach.

00:41:36 --> 00:41:38

We do not restrict our outward actions to

00:41:38 --> 00:41:41

dua. Dua is done inshallah once you have

00:41:41 --> 00:41:43

exhausted your outwardly actions.

00:41:43 --> 00:41:45

Now I'm gonna spend a few minutes to

00:41:45 --> 00:41:46

discuss solutions.

00:41:48 --> 00:41:50

Now, solution is one of those topics where

00:41:50 --> 00:41:52

entire movements and groups

00:41:53 --> 00:41:53

differ.

00:41:54 --> 00:41:56

It's one of the reasons why many Muslims

00:41:56 --> 00:41:58

disagree with each other on many issues.

00:41:59 --> 00:42:01

And the issue of is Turkestan

00:42:01 --> 00:42:03

is not different to the issue of Kashmir.

00:42:03 --> 00:42:05

It's not different to the issue of Palestine

00:42:05 --> 00:42:07

or Sham or or or or Myanmar or

00:42:07 --> 00:42:09

any part of the Muslim world or what

00:42:09 --> 00:42:10

or parts of the countries,

00:42:11 --> 00:42:13

where Muslims are being oppressed, occupied,

00:42:13 --> 00:42:15

and so forth. So let's look at some

00:42:15 --> 00:42:17

of the solutions. Charity.

00:42:17 --> 00:42:18

Now

00:42:18 --> 00:42:21

charity is a very laudable and praiseworthy

00:42:22 --> 00:42:22

action

00:42:23 --> 00:42:25

which is deep rooted in our scripture and

00:42:25 --> 00:42:27

there's a lot of ajr in it and

00:42:27 --> 00:42:29

we should continue to do it. But wallahi,

00:42:30 --> 00:42:31

I'm in touch with many and many of

00:42:31 --> 00:42:34

the big Muslim charities in this country And

00:42:34 --> 00:42:35

I'm yet to meet a CEO or a

00:42:35 --> 00:42:38

managing director who has said to me, Dilly,

00:42:38 --> 00:42:40

charity is a solution to the Ummah's affairs.

00:42:40 --> 00:42:41

No.

00:42:42 --> 00:42:44

We give sadaqa jariyah or our zakah to

00:42:44 --> 00:42:47

those who need it as an individual

00:42:48 --> 00:42:49

action or ritual to relieve

00:42:50 --> 00:42:51

ourselves for the akhirah.

00:42:51 --> 00:42:54

It was never ever used as a solution

00:42:54 --> 00:42:57

to overcome oppression, occupation, invasion. Never.

00:42:58 --> 00:42:59

Then we have diplomacy.

00:42:59 --> 00:43:02

Now diplomacy is fantastic from a international PR

00:43:02 --> 00:43:03

perspective.

00:43:03 --> 00:43:04

But I don't need to go back to

00:43:04 --> 00:43:05

any,

00:43:06 --> 00:43:09

previous historical events. Let's just look at Syria,

00:43:09 --> 00:43:12

Myanmar, and the recent announcement by President Donald

00:43:12 --> 00:43:14

Trump of Jerusalem being the capital city of

00:43:14 --> 00:43:14

Israel.

00:43:14 --> 00:43:17

Diplomacy is one of those things which makes

00:43:18 --> 00:43:19

the international community

00:43:20 --> 00:43:21

feel good that, you know, things are being

00:43:21 --> 00:43:23

discussed. We're sitting around tables, you know, we're

00:43:23 --> 00:43:25

doing something about it. But in reality,

00:43:26 --> 00:43:27

you'll find

00:43:27 --> 00:43:30

that in many cases than not, the international

00:43:30 --> 00:43:32

community and specifically speaking the UN have been

00:43:32 --> 00:43:33

complicit

00:43:33 --> 00:43:34

in the continuation

00:43:35 --> 00:43:35

of oppression.

00:43:36 --> 00:43:37

And we just need to look at Saguenica.

00:43:38 --> 00:43:39

We need to look at what happened in

00:43:39 --> 00:43:39

Istanbul.

00:43:40 --> 00:43:41

We need to look at what's happening in

00:43:41 --> 00:43:43

Kashmir. That the UN, there's endless number of

00:43:43 --> 00:43:44

meetings and condemnations.

00:43:45 --> 00:43:46

But what actually happens

00:43:47 --> 00:43:48

from diplomacy?

00:43:48 --> 00:43:50

But it's fantastic for PR. Don't get me

00:43:50 --> 00:43:52

wrong. It's very good to raise awareness on

00:43:52 --> 00:43:54

a global level, but then you have to

00:43:54 --> 00:43:55

really ask yourself

00:43:55 --> 00:43:57

how productive would anything come out of the

00:43:57 --> 00:44:01

UN Security Council when Britain, France, America, Russia,

00:44:01 --> 00:44:04

and China sit on the Security Council with

00:44:04 --> 00:44:07

veto powers. Whenever something concerns Palestine, America will

00:44:07 --> 00:44:09

veto it like they've done 49 times. Whenever

00:44:09 --> 00:44:11

something concerns Eastern,

00:44:11 --> 00:44:13

China will veto it. Something happens in Chechnya,

00:44:13 --> 00:44:16

Russia will veto it. Something happens in

00:44:17 --> 00:44:17

in Syria,

00:44:18 --> 00:44:20

Russia will veto it. So with them, we

00:44:20 --> 00:44:21

need to ask ourselves,

00:44:22 --> 00:44:24

what really comes out of diplomacy?

00:44:24 --> 00:44:26

By all means write to your MPs. By

00:44:26 --> 00:44:27

all means write to embassies.

00:44:27 --> 00:44:30

But always keep in mind based on

00:44:30 --> 00:44:32

fact what has actually come of it.

00:44:33 --> 00:44:35

Military intervention. Now

00:44:36 --> 00:44:38

I'm happy to discuss this after the lecture

00:44:38 --> 00:44:40

if if any agree or disagree. I'm all

00:44:40 --> 00:44:41

for military intervention.

00:44:41 --> 00:44:42

Right?

00:44:42 --> 00:44:44

And some of you might think, oh, well,

00:44:44 --> 00:44:46

that's that's further bloodshed or more. Well,

00:44:47 --> 00:44:49

Jerusalem wasn't liberated by salahuddin by throwing roses

00:44:49 --> 00:44:51

at the crusaders, and that's the reality of

00:44:51 --> 00:44:54

it. And Kashmir won't be liberated by giving,

00:44:54 --> 00:44:57

Laddus and and Jalebi to the Indian army.

00:44:57 --> 00:44:58

And that's the truth of it. And if

00:44:58 --> 00:44:59

that was the case, then Syria would have

00:44:59 --> 00:45:01

been liberated from the grips of Bashar. But

00:45:01 --> 00:45:04

the reality is military intervention should come in

00:45:04 --> 00:45:05

a caveat.

00:45:06 --> 00:45:08

And that caveat is that if any Muslim

00:45:08 --> 00:45:11

government or country intervenes to aid their brothers

00:45:11 --> 00:45:13

and sisters where they've been occupied, that caveat

00:45:13 --> 00:45:15

should be Islamic brotherhood.

00:45:16 --> 00:45:18

It shouldn't be because we want to advance

00:45:18 --> 00:45:21

our geopolitical interest. It shouldn't be because, you

00:45:21 --> 00:45:23

know, there's there's some kind of maslaha or

00:45:23 --> 00:45:25

there's some kind of benefit in us moving

00:45:25 --> 00:45:27

in to aid this group of Muslims. No.

00:45:27 --> 00:45:28

No. No. No. No. Because if that was

00:45:28 --> 00:45:30

the case, we've seen it already in history

00:45:30 --> 00:45:31

when Egypt,

00:45:32 --> 00:45:34

had Gaza under its control, when Jordan had

00:45:34 --> 00:45:36

the West Bank under its control. We've seen

00:45:36 --> 00:45:39

in many instances where Muslim countries have intervened,

00:45:40 --> 00:45:42

and all that it's been is the removal

00:45:42 --> 00:45:45

of one occupying force to another. So my

00:45:45 --> 00:45:48

caveat in support of military intervention should be

00:45:48 --> 00:45:50

one that's based on Islamic brotherhood.

00:45:51 --> 00:45:53

For your patience today. I hope you enjoyed

00:45:53 --> 00:45:54

the lecture. And if you've got time for

00:45:54 --> 00:45:56

q and a, ked. If not, we'll do

00:45:56 --> 00:45:57

it after lecture

00:45:57 --> 00:45:58

inshallah. Outside. I hope we can do some

00:45:58 --> 00:46:00

q and a. That's a flu fight.

00:46:00 --> 00:46:03

Like, this lecture, it marks the end of

00:46:03 --> 00:46:04

our Islamic history week, first time history that

00:46:04 --> 00:46:06

we've ever done. We looked at a few

00:46:06 --> 00:46:07

different things. We looked at how in West

00:46:07 --> 00:46:08

Africa,

00:46:08 --> 00:46:11

they gained some sort of autonomy or respect

00:46:11 --> 00:46:12

through the leadership of Islamic,

00:46:13 --> 00:46:15

scholarship. It looks at how 3 different kings

00:46:15 --> 00:46:16

in masses

00:46:17 --> 00:46:17

had different,

00:46:18 --> 00:46:19

method of rulership.

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