What To Look For In A Good Doctor Besides Drugs

			But they made us such a bunch of paranoid nuts you know, because when I was growing up there were
two medicines in the world you had aspirin and kamf opunake that's all there was.
		

			Now there are so many medicines they get this prescription stuff that they advertise on TV and I
swear half the time the side effects are 50 times worse than what the medicine carry. Like try new
floor a floor for itchy watery eyes It's floor floor. Side effects may include nausea, vomiting,
water, weight gain, lower back pain, receding hairline, eczema, seborrhea psoriasis, if you develop
an allergic reaction, a severe rash, or signs of unusual behavior, stop taking Tamiflu and call your
doctor immediately.
		

			Welcome to the de show, we got another expert on the program health is a blessing many people take
for granted don't take it seriously. We got Dr. Grace. So how are you? Good. Mr. Dr. Grasso? How you
been? Good. How are you? Good, good, thank God. Now there's a friend of mine. His his wife was
having migraine headaches. Alright, one problem.
		

			She goes to the doctor, conventional doctor, and they give her some prescription drugs. So now not
only does she have the migraine, she's also having seizures, which is one of the side effects to
this prescribed drug.
		

			would, you know, and we hear we hear a lot of this stuff, we talked a little bit about curing the
root and then we'll get into you explain it to us the holistic approach to medicine as opposed to
the symptom. And then you take, you know, one prescription drug for another tell us about when I
when I hear when you hear this story, have you hear stories like this, where a person takes
something to heal something and the next day, you know, they got a whole new array of problems
coming up, or body odor uneven tire? Well.
		

			Sure, I mean, if you if you look up any drug on, you know, in the PDR, the physicians Desk Reference
or you can go on online, now we have a lot of Dr. Google's out there. So they want to research their
conditions, they want to research the medications, it's a common fact that every medication is going
to have several hundreds, if not 1000s, of side effects and some of those common side effects and
some of those serious side effects. And they actually do, you know, label them that way. And so it's
very common that people are going to get a side effect to a medication and most conventional minded
physicians are going to say, Well, you know, it'll go away, just keep taking it, you'll be fine.
		

			Now, this particular patient getting seizures, that's a problem and obviously, that you don't want
that to happen in my practice. And we can we can talk more about my my background in my mind. Tell
us about Tell us about your background. What is it actually you're? You're a doctor in osteopathy,
right? Yes, do what does that mean? So there are two types of medical schools. Three, if you can't
dentist, yeah. Two types of medical schools in the United States. There's MDS or allopathic
medicine, medical doctors, which everyone knows about. And then you have deals or doctors of
Osteopathic Medicine, that 31 schools now in the United States. Our education is exactly the same.
		

			We study the same books, we take the same national exams. Actually, two years ago, they just
integrated our residency programs with DMD. So we used to have our own hospitals. And we those
gradually faded out over time and now all of the hospital systems. If you go here to rush down down
the street here or any other hospital in the United States, you're going to see doctors with do at
the end of the name specialist, cardiologist neurosurgeons, Surgeons of all different specialties,
renal specialists, endocrinologist, family physicians, which is what I am internist, etc. So that's
the same we take the same national boards we have the same right the practice prescribe medication
		

			to do surgery, no difference as far as our education, the only difference in which was designed to
be since 1874, which was the first school of Osteopathic Medicine in kirksville, Missouri, that's
where it was born, was that osteopathic medicine was designed from a place of health. It was
designed to find the cause not to treat symptoms. And the primary foundation of Osteopathic Medicine
was a hands on very unique hands on approach, where we're taught certain perceptual skills to sense
not only physical things, in terms of anatomy and physiology in muscles, joints, ligaments, organs,
but there are other things that you feel in the body that have a fluid nature and that have a
		

			biology
		

			Nature and those things can disease. So when you develop the right perceptual skills and hands on
skills, and you get the right training, you can diagnose and treat with your hands. But osteopathic
treatment is not a therapy. And this is where people get confused. Because they look at the doctor
of osteopathy and osti. apathy, if you pull the word apart, osteo means bone Patty or petals means
disease, bone disease, people think that we're Specialists of the bones. And we're not we're medical
doctors, but with deals. But we are trained, at least from a traditional standpoint, and I'm one of
the few who are still uniquely traditional, we're taught to treat from a place of health, to
		

			understand that no matter what a person walks into our office with whatever the disease process or
condition, that as long as they're alive, they're still health and that individual, and sometimes
the disease is just a wake up call or a doorway, to find the cause of the illness or to help the
person, you know, follow a road to recovery. And it's up to us to figure that out, and lead them
into the right direction. And if you're just focusing on symptoms, like this other patient who's got
the migraines,
		

			then you're just giving them a drug, and you're covering it up. And we don't know why they have the
migraines this some past experience some injury that they had in the past, is there some emotional
thing going on? are they eating something from a nutritional perspective that is causing it Do they
have some kind of toxicity in their body, they have metals in their mouth, there's so many different
factors, including the medications that can give them side effects. And there are drugs that are
blood pressure drugs, that can dilate the blood vessels and give people the side effect of
headaches, there are a lot of drugs that because of their side effects, they used to treat different
		

			things like depression.
		

			And a lot of sports people, when they're in real high stress situations, like you know, I play a
little bit of golf, and some golfers take, you know, beta blockers, their blood pressure medicines,
and the side effect, not only do they bring the blood pressure down, but they calm you down. So the
anti anxiety effects. So there's a lot of different reasons. And in my practice,
		

			you know, whole ism is not using herbs instead of synthetic medication. Yeah, that's that may be
part of it. But whole ism is looking at the patient, mind, body and spirit, and treating and moving
towards cause and sometimes you don't get to the cause right away. And that's the uniqueness of
Osteopathic Medicine because we're given the ability to use our hands and our extra sensory
perception to understand a human being. And I tell my patients, because they all come in and they
have all their ideas. They look at Google, they diagnose they self diagnose, and I said listen,
Okay, I understand where you're coming from. The first thing that I have to do is treat the patient.
		

			Okay, I understand your disease, I'm going to acknowledge it, I went to medical school. It's one of
the reasons I went there. Because I need to know disease, I need to understand what you're going
through, and what you're taking for medications, but I still have to understand you first. And then
we can start picking things apart. And every person that comes into my office, they get time, how
long does it take? Do you give time with a patient? Is it like five minutes? 10 minutes? What
because typically, you go into a doctor's office, and they'll you know, make you not saying every
doctor, but the majority out there that I've been to in people, they complain, the doctor sets the
		

			appointment at 12. They see him at two and when they and then they go five minutes and a drug. And I
take pride in being on time. Yeah, and there are times when I'm not on time, but it's rare. I might
be 20 minutes behind, but I don't see more than 10 to 12 patients a day. That's my average. So new
patients are going to get at least an hour and 15 an hour and a half an hour and 1515
		

			unheard of correct. And and my follow up patient is going to get 45 minutes. Wow. Okay. And and the
reason is, is I don't understand how physicians do it. Does somebody see like 100 patient 100 a day?
Oh, it's crazy. And the way the whole medical systems going, and I really don't want to get into
that but because it's a long story. I feel bad for physicians these days. Because they haven't work
harder to make a living. And plus, you know, the the whole politics behind it. It's just I don't
want to really get into that but it's really tough for them. So that forced to see so many patients
in a day. Yeah, that doesn't happen in my office. I mean people come I spend the time and you need
		

			the time if you want to understand
		

			Somebody Yeah. And understand what they're going through. You need the time you need the time. This
is really important right there. hour and 15 to hour and a half to five minutes. How can you give a
great diagnosis a good diagnosis? Pop? I've missed it. My boss impossible. Let's take a break. We're
right back here with more from Dr. Grasso. We'll be right back. Please subscribe to the show, follow
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			Back here on the dean show with Joe's Dr. Joseph Grasso. Thank you again Dr. for being with us.
Great to be ready. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so we talked about the diagnosis. Tell us why did it
hit us just I don't know. Just random. Why did they serve sloppy joe at hospitals? So I have a I
have a pop machine. Hey, Eddie, I don't understand. You know, it's it's, you know, public Coca Cola
machine. It's a good question. Why don't in a lot of hospitals. I did. I did a three year residency,
board certified family practice, just like any other physician. And, you know, you go to a hospital,
you think someone is sick and you want to get healthy. And a person's laying there in the hospital
		

			bed again, awakened, awakened, every hour. Okay. It's an you know, it's been proven. The highest
potential of healing is when you sleep. Yeah, you have to sleep. Okay, so Okay, you got these sick
patients. Yeah, it's justified. In some cases, you have to wake them up for certain conditions. But
for the most part, you got to let them heal. But then you go down into the lunch room, and the
cafeteria in the servant, junk pizza, GMO foods,
		

			you know, sugars, tons and tons of sugars, okay. And you see what the visit the patients are
getting, and then meals. And it's sickening, because in my opinion, food in the United States
especially is one of the major causes of disease. And so it's important for me to educate my
patients on nutrition and, and you've had our best buddy Jim malo on the show, and he frequently
sees our patients. And you've just spoken with Dr. Garcia as well. So he's a big part of of our
diagnostic and therapeutic regimen in the office, because food is crucial. What you put in your body
is going to either help you get healthier, and keep you healthy, or it's going to make you sick. And
		

			we have so many problems with digestive diseases, I mean, little kids, little children. Okay, who if
the mothers don't breastfed and the newborn and the drinking this GMO soy based formulas, and it's,
it's not healthy for them at all. So 50% of the battle or more if I get patients nutrition
straightened down, it makes my job so much easier. Do you do? Do doctors learn about nutrition you
get? Did you guys learn about nutrition and nutrition in medical school? No, absolutely not. The
closest we get to nutrition and medical school I don't know about now. I've been out there for 25
years. But as far as I know, because I get students to come through my office all the time, no one's
		

			getting educated on nutrition. And if they do, it's about counting calories. Yeah. And it's about
like diabetics, if you if you go see someone who's supposed to be specializes in treating diabetics,
nutritionally, they're gonna put them all on the same diet. And you can't do that. The closest we
get to nutrition and medical school is what they call parental nutrition. And if there's someone's
in the intensive care unit, and they can't eat, they're on a respirator, they have to feed you
through a tube. And basically, they tell you all the different nutrients you have to put in there,
that's the closest we're getting. Okay. And in fact, nutrition should be the number one course in
		

			medical school, it should be where we start. Now we have to learn the whole systems approach,
cardiology, neurology, nephrology, endocrinology, etc, we need to understand those things to be a
physician. And for me, it's an integral part of what I do. And that's why, you know, I originally
wanted to be a chiropractor, because I enjoy using my hands and, and there are a lot of good
chiropractors out there to do some very good work, but I felt at the time that I would be limited in
the ability to treat everything, because I often get patients who come into my office to taking a
lot of drugs. And many times they come because I want to get off the drugs. As an as a non medical
		

			physician, I don't do not have the licensure or the education to do that. It doesn't mean that those
alternative minded physicians chiropractors and homeopaths that they can't do it, it's just they
legally can't do it. They're gonna send them back to their physician and say, Okay, I think it's
ready. You're ready to come off this medication to do it safely. You need someone who's educated.
Yeah, so I didn't want to have that limitation.
		

			I want to continuity in my office. So very rarely do I have to send people to specialists. And as
you said before your patient, a patient goes and sees a physician, they're in their waiting room for
an hour, two hours, and then the experience is terrible. They're there for five minutes. And they're
not even heard. So, the way I look at it is if I'm going to go see a physician, how do I want to be
treated? Okay, when if I ever have to refer someone, I'm confused, I need to get some, some help.
Yes. And it's only to get a diagnosis. I tell them, Go see a physician. Let's see if I'm missing
something because I'm not quite clear what's going on with you medically.
		

			Don't do anything until we talk. Okay, we'll get the information and then we'll go from there. So
it's very important that that we have continuity in the office. And that's what osteopathic medicine
was designed to do. It was designed for primary care. It wasn't designed to be a specialist. And as
you know, there are specialties and subspecialties and sub sub sub specialties these days, so no one
has the ability to treat the whole patient. So you go see an endocrinologist and person's got a
headache? Well, it's you your thyroids off, go see the neurologist, as an osteopathic physician with
what we do and the proper way that we've been trained, traditionally, Now, mind you, the schools
		

			don't do this anymore. And we can talk about that later. Yeah.
		

			To get the right training, you're gonna have to come you have to go in the office, you have to train
with somebody, you have to take some courses.
		

			So when they come to my office, I am not afraid to treat any medical condition. I have terminal
cancer patients that come in the office, I have, you know, pregnant women, I have newborns. There
are all sorts of things that as long as you're a person, and you're alive, will treat you speech
speaking, speaking about pregnant women, what is your, you know, one in three? Here in America?
Women? Are, there's a C section rate of one in three women sky high C section rates in us don't
translate to better birth outcomes. What What do you have to say about the skyrocketing rate of C
sections now? Well, some of that is elective. And I can understand I'm not a woman, but I've treated
		

			a lot of women. And you know, this, there may be some vanity involved with that. And I totally
understand that it's a childbirth, I treated so many women in the last 25 years going through
pregnancy. It's not an easy process. Yeah. And what about the woman who really want to have it
naturally or as possible, but they're pressured into the whole, you know, system of speeding it up?
What is the AutoSum and and going through that and if you put you on a time clock, if you're not
delivered, the baby's not out after 24 hours, boom, see section, there's definitely there is an
issue with that Edie, and some of it is
		

			lawyer based, you know, physicians are afraid they can get sued. And if you look here in Illinois
alone, it's the highest one of the highest malpractice rates in the country, for obstetricians in a
lot of Obstetricians that left Illinois for that reason, because they're, they're paying
200 $300,000 a year just in malpractice insurance. And And so, for me, my malpractice is still even
high as a family physician, and I've never had any issues with that. And if you spend time with
people, it's not it's generally not gonna be an issue if you treat people like human beings and you
take time with them. But as far as the obstetricians, I can see this their point of view, but that
		

			doesn't justify doing c sections. Some women electively want to do it as well. But in some cases,
having delivered 32 Kids myself when I was in my residency, some of those deliveries can go awry.
And you can have problems and there's there's a necessity for C sections. In other cases, if you
just wait it out, and I'm saying, I'm not an obstetrician, I don't know all the statistics on that.
But I know that the body can do what it's supposed to do if you give it a chance. And it's about
faith. It's about trust. And a lot of physicians don't have that. What if it's breached? If it's
breached, you know, it's I'm a twin, okay, and I came off first and I came out my head down, but my
		

			my sister who my twin came out breech, and my mother was four foot 11. So she had two little kids in
there that was six and a half pounds. It's a lot of weight, four foot, four foot 11 body, but you
know, they delivered her and it happens in the olden days. It wasn't a problem. Yeah. Now it's if
you look at the statistics, I know that with breech deliveries, as soon as they see you breach, C
Section C section, and I treat a lot of pregnant women and we they will do you know the last six
weeks of the pregnancy. There are certain things that I can look for from an osteopathic perspective
hands on, and if the kid is breech, we can turn the baby you can turn off the guardian. It's and
		

			it's simple. It's rather simple.
		

			But it may seem like it's almost like you feel like it's impossible once it's breached. That's it,
there's nothing you can do. You can actually turn the baby, you can turn the baby, but it's not a
physical thing we actually go in in the attorney like a steering wheel there. And this is a whole
new topic, we could do a couple of shows on that we got going, let me take Let me take a break, and
we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. It's like, when did you think that you had no purpose?
		

			Are you worth
		

			the value comes from purpose.
		

			Your purpose in life is to worship the Creator, not worship, you design yourself, not worship,
social pressure, the celebrity culture, but worship the thing that's much higher and transcendent,
above and beyond by worshiping God and seeking His pleasure, you get pleased. So you have double
pleasure.
		

			Kennedy's show with Dr. Joseph Grasso continue on you left off we can specifically this topic, a lot
of people now are choosing home births. What do you think about that, that, you know, a call
environment piece? Oh, sure. And you know, in the olden days that used to happen, and to the credit
of the medical system and the technology, it's gotten, it's become much better there are some
hospitals, you can actually deliver a baby in a bathtub. Yeah, they have midwives now, yeah. And
they have midwives and and, you know, but sometimes things don't go as planned. And I actually
recently I treated this woman to her pregnancy. And she totally planned, she had a midwife, she
		

			planned on having the child at home. And the delivery just didn't go quite right. And so she ended
up having to go to the hospital, she ended up having the child didn't have a C section, but
everything was okay. But, you know, sometimes those things happen. And perhaps in the olden days,
they could have been problems with with the mother and the baby. But I think when you look at the
the advent of medicine and some of the technologies out there, it's been helpful. But on the whole,
I can tell you this, when it comes to emergency situation, medicine, does a fairly good job of
stabilizing people. But when it comes to healing is horrible. I can't I don't know what other word I
		

			can tell you. Yeah, it's not designed to help people heal, it's designed to enable people and it's
designed people to stay sick.
		

			So if you have to take a medication in my, in my practice, if someone comes in and that blood
pressure is elevated, I'll try any alternative means including treating and because everyone gets
hands on treatment in my office, and that's a whole nother explanation because it's different than
anything you know, it's not manipulation, it's not a therapy, but everyone gets treated and I'll do
whatever it takes from an alternative basis to bring that blood pressure down but if it doesn't come
down, I can't let them walk on the street with a blood pressure 200 over 100 so I have to prescribe
something when you say alternative what you know the other side or what people think like that's
		

			anti science against science you know as soon as you say alternative some people you know have other
labels to it you know, we're conditioned have insurance for everything for us. Let me just give you
this example insurance for the car shows a bit of anything goes wrong I got insurance so fix it.
Same thing with the body if anything goes wrong, I got the you know the doctor I go to see him he's
got a drug for every ill you turn on the TV. And there's a pill for every ill There is. There is is
there real estate's one of the few countries that that actually advertises meds, medications. It's
kind of sad because you watch a football game you seen all these things, right? title this functions
		

			on TV, and you got kids that are watching these these shows, and it's just horrific. But isn't that
based on science? It's all Well, there's science behind it. But they if you look at the the
subscripts at the end, all the side effects, it's pretty scary. Yeah. And it's conditioning people.
That's what commercials do is propaganda that conditions people at a very young age, that it's okay
to do that. We train we teach people we educate people that come into our office, that the patient
needs to take part in their health care, they have to be the primary role which means they have to
be educated in living a healthy life and eating properly and proper dental hygiene and in you know,
		

			proper exercise and, and meditation and and supporting your spiritual side of yourself, which very
rarely is talked about medicine, not at all is really a holistic This is really so important. You
have to have a practice some kind of practice every day. Or if it's taking a walk or just walking
out your front door and seeing what direction the wind is coming in me people living in the city
that they're inside most of the time, and they're looking at their cell phones all day long, and
they're texting. So we're disconnected. We pray, we pray five times a day. This is we this is for
the spiritual so there is really in *
		

			You see a benefit there, because you're talking about huge, it's huge is probably one of the most
important part of being healthy. You hear that guys that's coming from
		

			expert in the area of health a doctor. But most doctors that I've come across that I've went to over
the years, I've never heard this mentioned about, Hey, are you keeping up your prayers? I mean, are
you not that they say that, but the holistic approach that everything, all these components matter
to good health, it's, it's crucial. And, you know,
		

			for me, it's been a journey, it's been an odyssey, if you will, and each treatment is an odyssey,
each, each experience I have with a patient is an odyssey. And that Odyssey is you have to figure
out all the different characteristics of what's happening to that individual and why they got sick,
but you can't focus on the disease, you need to acknowledge it. And you need to acknowledge all the
different pieces that may be surrounding it. But ultimately, you have to help that person to
connect. Once they connect, and they find themselves again, then they can heal. Yeah. And and part
of that process is everything that we've talked about. We have a couple more minutes. Real quick,
		

			someone's in, not in Chicago, they can't come see you there in Texas, white wherever. What advice do
you have, the person is sick of they want to get off the drugs, they don't want to be taking drugs.
They, they, they they want to live a healthier life, you know, what advice and but they also look,
I'm enjoying really sick, I want to sit with experts, people, you know, like yourself? How does
someone find an expert to sit with in their community? How can they you know, because the person
also every doctor, he goes to he just putting on some drug that has 1020 different side effects? How
do they find a doctor like yourself? Yeah.
		

			That's a challenge, it really is a challenge. Because from, from my perspective, in my experience of
what I've done with patients over the years, you really have to have faith and trust in what you're
doing. And sometimes it goes way against the principles of medical, of conventional medical
practice. So people are afraid to tell it to take someone off a medication, I have a lot of
colleagues that won't even touch that. And in my opinion,
		

			you have to be treating everything you have to you can't be afraid to, to change someone's
medication, and treat the whole individual. And so when you go around the country, in the United
States, there's a couple of resources when I refer people to it's cranial academy.org, where some
physicians like myself will do some hands on work. And then there's another website.
		

			Actually, my teacher started this website called bio, bio, do veoh.com. And there's some physicians
in there that do similar work.
		

			But you know, you gotta, you have to have a relationship with the physician. It's really about the
trust and the faith and the physician and what they're doing and how far they're willing to go. And
some people just are not willing to do that anything in this world that we live in, it's very
difficult. And you can't be afraid of the effects of that. So I tell you listen, is good luck on
that part? Yeah, I can only tell you what I do in my practice. And, and it's not about belief
systems, either. It's about what's common sense. And do you get the results? Yeah. And and we say
the proof is in the pudding, you get the you get the results. That speaks for itself. I tell my
		

			patients all the time, because they like what do you do? And I say, Listen, I can tell you
everything that I do, I can be really charismatic about it. But I rather prove it to you. And and
that's what physicians have to do, they have to kind of go against the grain, and be willing to go
the extra mile with the individual. And that means you got to
		

			look under every stone, every crack crevice. And first and foremost, pay attention to the patient,
listen to him. If most physicians even if they're spending 10 minutes, if they just listen to the
patient, I can't begin to tell you the amount of stories where patient walked in physician never
they're looking at their watch the whole time. They never listened to the patient. And and they just
left with a prescription. It said yes, that's where things are going. So we don't we don't live by
that we we function in our practicing. You know, Dr. Garcia, and I practice in the same office. And
it's an integrative practice where we see the same patients and we both are focused on the same
		

			thing, which is health, and how what you're doing and how you're living and our effects to, you
know, to overall health and well being. If people visit Chicago, orange Chicago and they want to
come see you How do they get in touch? Well, you know, they if you Google my name and my doctor
gushy, his name, you know, it's Dr. Dr. Garcia has a website. I don't have a website.
		

			I'd like to sit in the background a bit. But she has a website, Dr. Lena garcia.com. And all that in
in all that information is right there. So you can just call the office and make an appointment.
Thank you so much. Last few words a sentence I usually ask people, if you can put it in a tweet
something that was stick for someone who just wants to have good health, what do you I know, it's we
can have another show on this, but some some words that you can leave them with. What I would say is
that, do whatever it takes to stay connected. That nature, by any of its definition, will take care
of everything, no matter what's happening out there in the world. Nature has the solution. And if
		

			you trust something that even you can't see, and that's the that's the definition of faith, you will
find your way and that means, you know, healing, that means getting connected. That means finding
the right nutrition.
		

			Trust that. And that's what I would leave you with at this point. Thank you so much. You're welcome.
Thank you. God bless you for being with us. Thank you so much. We look forward to hopefully we can
have you back again. Yes, sounds good. Yes, I would. I would love to come back. Thank you. Please
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