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American Muslims Expose Islamophobia And The Lies About Islam
Do you still think that Islam is responsible for Terrorism and 911?
Ok tell us if you still feel the same after you listen to this talk, along with letting us know what’s an EEG as mentioned by this week’s guest.
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Salam aleikum. greetings of peace. How are you guys doing? Guess what? I got some Edgewood dates. Have you ever heard of Edgewood dates? And I got the man next to me on the left. Thank you for Edgewood dates and I'll let go How you doing?
My Hi How you been? Man? Thanks for that. Yeah, my pleasure. So people don't know. Yeah. So how you been? Don't forget the Zamzam water does m water yes and the mission miswak Yeah, there you go. You know, What are friends for? Thank you so much. How you been? Medina?
how things in Medina things are good. I haven't figured out a way to get younger but otherwise doing okay. Good 100 lambda data. Do you get a chance now? You know, the climate here. It's
is a reaching new Trump and all the politics is it reached out into the world? Sure. And we're just kind of waiting to see how that works out. Yeah. So these are the kind of things that we're dealing with. You had not too long ago you had in Medina,
the holiest city in the world. I think it was during the holiest month. You were there. You know what I'm talking about? Medina or Mecca? Mecca? No, it was in Medina? No, it was in Medina, the explosion that happened. Oh, are you talking about during Ramadan? Yeah, during Ramadan? Yeah. My understanding is I was fairly close to it when it happened. Can you tell us because that's something we're dealing with here. People always linking back Daesh this extreme radical group and people who really don't know anything about Islam, but this is just, you know, to show like, on the holiest month of the year during Ramadan, during the blessed month, you know, that in Medina, this was an
attribute this group had actually what what, tell us what was a little bit because you were there, you live there, tell us fill us in on what happened. I mean, actually,
I was down at the masjid and number when it happened. But quite frankly, aside from that, I really don't know the details except for what is in the news. The other thing is now I hate to kind of cop out on you here. But the bottom line is that I just am completely apolitical. I don't discuss you know, these issues, I don't make fatwa. And, and I just, I just stick to my domain of interest. And some people say expertise, which is comparative religion, and you know, the anti atheist Tao, when we get to there tell us for the people who are tuning in, a lot of times they get turned off because they keep associating soldiers hit you with this violence with Islam, and they can't get past. So
before we even get to these commonalities and clearing these other misconcept comparative religion. Some people keep thinking, now I don't want to turn off these Muslims are all terrorists, you know, ISIS, they, what do you say about that? Sure. I mean, well, first of all, I mean, you will always have extremists. I mean, extremists exist in all religions. number one. Number two,
study on the acts of terrorism, the number of acts of terrorism and the number of people who are killed from acts of terrorism in the United States over the past, I forget what ever number of years it was, but Islam was not the top of the list. I mean, the top of the list, were actually if I remember correctly, it was. Now I might be a little hazy on the details, but I think it was right wing wing extremists, you know, basically, actually, fundamentalist Christians and, and, you know, this is the thing that's just kind of annoying to us as Muslims is that
any Muslim does anything, and he's his religion is mentioned. You know, I mean, he commits any kind of a crime. And it's like, you know, this Muslim did that. But you know, any Christian does anything, yeah, serial killing, a school yard shooting, you know, anything like that. And they put in totally different terms. They say, Oh, he went postal, or, you know, the guy was psychologically disturbed or whatever, and they never mentioned the religion. You know, I mean, when's the last time you ever heard, you know, Christian, extremist Christian terrorist or something like this? Never. And so there's, there does appear to be this, this strong bias in the media,
too. I mean, I feel really to demonize Islam, and to make Christianity just sort of sweep, sweep Christianity and Judaism's problems under the carpet. You know, you know, again, Buddhists, you never hear of Buddhist terrorists, but look at what's going on, but Buddhist terrorism, but look at what's going on and in my mind that look, look what's going on with the, you know, the genocide, the genocide that that Buddhists are committing in the Far East, you know, and yet you never hear this as you know, Buddhist terrorism. So, you know, there's, there's a attempt on the media to polarize things, which I'm definitely
I'm not comfortable with and it does seem grossly prejudicial. Yeah, we've done we've answered these questions on many previous episodes, we won't spend too much time on it. What would you say? Well, by the way, I do want to say something. And it is one of my sort of pet peeves is that, you know, I think all of this, I mean, not all but 90 some percent. 95 98% really comes from 911.
I mean, I was Muslim before 911, and I'm Muslim now and, and hamdulillah by the grace of Allah, but I saw the transition between how Americans thought and treated Muslims before 911. And after, and I really feel that was kind of the defining moment before 911 there was still some media bias. I mean, there was quite a lot of media bias, but then, when 911 happened,
it just ramped things up tremendously. Okay. And this is one a pet peeve I have, because, number one, okay. If it was Muslims, who carried out the atrocity of 911, it was a crime. The Muslim world recognizes it as a crime. And the Muslim world is trying to send this message to the west to the developed countries, basically saying, look, this was a crime. Those are criminals. They don't represent our understanding of Islam. They don't understand our they don't represent, you know, our values they don't represent represent our morality, or our religious values. Okay. So don't try to, to say that this is, you know, is Islam, this was the act of a criminal, no different from the act
of a criminal of any other denomination or religion in the world. Okay. That's number one. But number two is, you know, there's been this growing movement that questions brand new poll that show that more and more Americans are rethinking what happened on 911. And increasingly, more people are saying they do not believe the government's version of events, you know, questions where, or how 911 actually happened. 911. And candidly, wouldn't only fringe people still question what happened on 911? But perhaps not. Today, we're going to release to you results of a brand new poll that show that more and more Americans are rethinking what happened on 911. And, I mean, for example, so there
are all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail. We got started late.
We had a very short timeframe. Indeed, we had to get an extended, we did not have enough money. They were afraid. They were afraid we were going to hang somebody
that we would point the finger. Lee and I write in a book that
we think the commission in many ways was set up to fail.
Because we had
not enough money.
We didn't have enough time.
We've been appointed by the most partisan people in Washington.
There's an excellent excellent exposition on on YouTube, or at least it used to be on YouTube called 911 mysteries, demolitions. It's an hour and a half video, you can watch or you can purchase. I think the last time I looked for it, you actually had to go to amazon.com to buy it. I mean, that just the best money you'll ever spend in researching this topic. Okay? If you can watch that video, and not have your convictions changed, regarding how 911 happened, then you just kind of you need to get an EEG, you know, an eg and electroencephalogram. Something's check your brainwaves. I mean, if you can watch that, that documentary, and walk away with the conviction that that you came in with,
something's just wrong. And and and so I just have to say that this is just the plug I've got I've got to give is stop demonizing not just Islam, but stop demonizing any group. We are living in a time and we are living in a culture that loves to hate or needs to hate. Okay. I mean, as long as I have been alive, and for a lot of time before the west or the developed countries has always been demonizing a group. I mean, if it wasn't like the only good Indian as a dead Indian, you know, you come forward into World War Two where, you know, the Germans were crowds and then, you know, the Korean War with where the Koreans were the gooks and then into the Vietnamese war were the you know,
they weren't Vietnamese? No, no, they were Charlie or slants or something like this, you know, and you know, every different person is given a name that is you
Is dehumanizing them okay, you're not you know you're not killing you know you're not killing a person you're killing a crowd World War Two, you know you're gonna you're not killing a North Korean you're killing a group, you know that's, you know an ugly word, you know, you're not you're not killing a Vietnamese you're killing a slap What does this ugliness come from, but this is it's a process of basically programming a people to see another people as, as something different from what they are and every single time, every single time after the massacre, you know, after the dust settles, we turn around and we start realizing that we're rubbing shoulders with these people and
You know, the Indians that we massacred, the American Indians that we massacred, we now go and visit their, their reservations, we enjoy their art, we enjoy their food, we see the beauty of their customs and the gentleness of their natures. After World War Two, the you know, there are all these touching stories of soldiers who were united with their counterparts, you know, the American, you know, the American soldier who was interned in a prisoner of war camp and suffered horribly during his internment. And that that data, and later after the war is united with his captors. And they both just realized we were on different sides of the equation, and we're both okay. You know, or the
one who was shot down by another pilot or or, you know, was, you know, intimately involved in the struggle of life and death and the struggle of the war against another counterpart with which they were united later. And, you know, later and they just realized, you know, I mean, we're all human. You know, I mean, the Germans in this country, the Japanese in this country, where they come from the same countries that we were fighting, and what do we think about them now?
I mean, sushi, you know, I mean, everybody knows, knows a Japanese person, if nothing else, just from our food culture. And, you know, we found that the people that we were killing before, we found that the people that we were fighting before on the basis of ideology, who we thought were less than human, there, okay. Yeah, after the Vietnam War. I mean, you couldn't go into a convenience store in America, except you had a high chance that you're going to be doing business with the Vietnamese. And, and they were okay. And what a shock of shocks. You know, I mean, they're just like us, they, they just want to live life and, you know, have a peaceful existence, and so on and so forth. That's
the power of the human connection. I'm just saying, Look, I'm just saying what whether you're talking about the, you know, the forces that were at war with in World War Two, where you're talking about, you know, Mussolini's Italy, in, you know, in that period, or whether you're talking about the, you know, the Nazi Germans or whether you're talking about the Japanese, I'm talking about the, you know, Koreans during the Korean War, the Vietnamese,
it, it just doesn't matter what pool you look at.
I mean, once you started, once these people were conquered, and we found ourselves, you know, they emigrate and we found ourselves living next to them.
We found all of our preconceptions dispelled, we found that we had been lied to, we found that we had been deceived. And we found that it was all for the purpose
of an agenda that was beyond us. Okay. So when are we going to wake up? When are when are we going to open our minds and recognize that we are being misled for a purpose for an agenda? good points. More to come with Dr. Lawrence Brown? Here in the deen show. Don't go anywhere. Please subscribe to the show. Follow us on our official Facebook and Twitter pages in the links below. Please also help support the show by making a donation in the link below.
Back here on today's show, my special friend good friend, Dr. Lawrence Brown. Before I get to my next question, you brought up 911. And obviously that was a catalyst to where we are today. Have you heard of it's interesting, these aren't just lay people, but somewhat around 3000. architects, engineers, scientists, politicians, former presidential candidates took some kind of consciousness raising on my part before I was willing to look at the possibilities and really, you need
Go where the evidence leads. As an engineer, I have three degrees in engineering. I signed that petition for architects and engineers for 911 truth some time ago, because the American people absolutely need the truth of 911. Look at the evidence. In fact, I'll say this very categorically, any reasonable person who looks at the evidence that's been brought forward, has got to come away with the feeling that something has to be done. A real investigation has to be put forward. We're all demanding, who signed a petition to reopen the investigation. Have you heard of these architects and engineers for 911? Truth? Oh, sure. And, you know, one of the things that I find very, very
striking about this is that is not only the collection of experts in their fields, who are looking at the evidence, looking at the body of the evidence and saying, you know, the official story now that just doesn't do it. I mean, that's, you know, we've got to re examine this and, and come to a more sensible conclusion. I'm gonna look 911 did not, you know, the the official story, it did not even answer how building number seven came down. Okay. The greatest mystery of 911 How does a complete building come down and wasn't wasn't touched by the or wasn't hit by the airplanes. Okay, had a couple of minor little fires of it inside it from debris that you know, was scattered into it.
And you just look at it and just one moment it drops to the ground in the perfect picture of controlled demolitions. Okay. Now, I'm just saying that I'm not the only one who's looked at that, and just said, something's wrong. But you're just saying something's wrong. you're observing. You're questioning but now why is it Why is it when you question you're not making up some some conspiracy, but they call you conspiracy theories as soon as you question? Like, when you hear the fire man, they said
it was a controlled demolition. You're just asking questions. You're not coming up with a theory What happened? You're just asking questions. Why did they put you in this box? conspiracy theorist, but definition of a conspiracy is when two or more people acting in concert knowingly commit an offense or a or a crime? All right. misdemeanor or felony? And offense. That is the definition of a conspiracy. Was this a conspiracy? Absolutely. Yes, it was. And most people need to go to jail for treason. You can't even ask me a question. Yeah, but you're just supposed to accept what's been told to you except the official story mainstream done, but don't ask any more. As I said, I had 32 years
there. And I was also a trained fire marshal, a fire marshal is considered an expert witness in court. He's like a forensic detective. He has the power to administer the oath, take testimony and issue a subpoena. That's a lot of power. It was there was an explosion the building did come down in complete classical, controlled demolition, it came down on its own footprint. There's no question about that. As a matter of fact, Richard gage from architects and engineers has completely handled that from his area of expertise. never in the history of a world never in the history of high rise skyscrapers has ever a skyscraper ever come down because of fire. And I'm talking massive fire and
you know, the reason why because fire does not burn by itself had enough to compromise and melt steel
what we had in the World Trade Center, and I saw myself was molten lava like pockets of molten steel. All right, I spent the night on a pile searching for bodies. And I saw that with my own eyes. So who are you going to believe you're going to believe a bunch of government bureaucrats or my fellow brothers which I lost 343 guys that day right and and and you start talking like this and they say oh, that's conspiratorial thinking as if there's no such thing as conspiracy as if conspiracy don't happen. conspiracies don't happen. You know, as if America does not have excise did did not commit Black Flag operations did not have
what is it called extraordinary rendition, you know, did not have the CIA with a box of dirty tricks overseas, and so on and so forth. You know, I mean, just it's just, it's just a way of making you look bad or silent, silencing you for having an open mind. But one of the things that is most convincing to me is that is the body of
You know, the group of people who lost loved loved ones and 911 who are demanding a reinvestigation? Because they don't exist family members especially Yeah, the the family matters. I'm a family member trying to find out the answers to the murder of 3000 plus people.
The bottom line is that it needs to be investigated properly.
Please look at architects and engineers, people all around the world scientists, all around the world are questioning this. And there's some deep, deep explaining to do.
We will never heal this country will never ever, ever forget that day, we have to manage a new investigation. I want justice here.
Because they don't accept the official explanation. And that many of them are the ones who are you know, they are the ones who are saying that it was an inside job. Now, I'm not I'm not going to say what my viewpoint on this is. I am just going to say that my message to people is don't close your mind, open your mind. And in the same way that we are asking for a reexamination of the evidence, people out there should re examine the evidence themselves. So they should be listening to I mean, you've you've got eminent experts in their fields, who are demanding a reexamination of the evidence you have as an engineer and I have three degrees in engineering. I signed that petition for
architects and engineers for 911 truth some time ago, because the American people absolutely need the truth of 911. You know, really, really great documentaries like this one I mentioned 911 mysteries, demolitions, it's 911 mysteries like slash demolitions. Okay.
what's it going to take to watch it? You know, one of the things that I find really disturbing about this, though, is that 911 is like it, people have views on it, that approach the level of religious zeal. You know, when you talk about when you talk about a religion, or when you talk about religious views, a lot of people there, it's just clear that their minds are closed, and you just can't talk to them. Because if you say anything, that is contrary to, to their way of looking at things. They they don't want to hear it, it's like no, no, no, can't be can't be No, no, no, no, no, that, you know, and then they express their view, they keep repeating their view, you know, you know, it's
this way, it's this way, it's this way, and, you know, um, you know, the, the evidence points over here, or in or, you know, you point out the contradictions to them, or you pointed out how they're basically, you know, not following the path of logic or, you know, they're not many times they're not even following the teachings of their own book, you know, and when it comes to 911, that's the same way. They just say no, no, no, as you know, it's like the, you know, the three monkeys with their hands over their eyes, ears, and what is it now? Eyes, ears and mouth? Yeah. You know, except, except they, I wish they would put their hand over their mouth, but they don't. That's the one
that's one hand, they keep away, they keep talking. But with their eyes closed, and the ears closed, just kind of No, no, no, and Muslims are bad. No, this was Islamic terrorism. No, no. Yeah.
You know, and and they're not willing to examine the evidence, and consider the possibility that this is all the part of a greater agenda. And but, but at the very least, just consider the possibility that, like I said, Muslims, and Islam is not, you know, is not as bad as how it's being portrayed by is our news media foaming at the mouth when it comes to stories about Islamic terrorists, but not white guy terrorists. It's not because Muslims are a bigger threat. In fact, between 1980 and 2005 94% of all the attempted or successful terrorist attacks on US soil were not carried out by Islamic radicals, but instead by non Muslims, mostly white guys.
So then why the obsession?
killing of innocent human beings?
human life is precious in this country. Do they blow people up? The Christians, everyday people walk into post op i mean, people walk into post offices, they walk into schools, that's what Columbine is, I mean, I could do this all day long. There's so there are so many more examples of Christians and I happen to be a Christian. That's back to this notion of you're idealizing Christianity in my mind to my read. There's so many more examples of Christians who do that then you can ever give me examples of Muslims who have done that, inside this country where you live and work. Well, we can say clearly we can close the door that Islam
Has nothing doesn't justify acts like this, even at the end of the day if some crazy deranged individual group of individuals went and killed innocent people, which, by the way Muslims, hundreds have died in this, this has nothing to do with Islam. Islam condemns this. There is no justification for it. This is clear, this is something that there's no shadow of a doubt about that. Now we're talking about even questioning it further. But it seems like this is something that is a tool that's used to demonize the whole way of life of Islam.
Well, as I said, I mean, you've heard my viewpoint. First of all, I just want to correct myself on something I said, you know, something about how,
you know, people should conclude that Islam is not as bad as it's being portrayed that I mean, actually, for myself as Muslim, I have to just say that, you know, I would hope people would conclude that Islam is not bad period. You know, I mean, the more the more you examine Islam, and the you know, and anybody I've known, who's examined Islam with an open mind, it just starts to understand, start to realize that everything's upside down, everything is the opposite of how they were trained to believe. You know, that it's actually a it's a beautiful religion, it is consistent with the continuity in the chain of revelation from the previous prophets and clarifies previous
revelation. And it brings us to a conclusion of the chain of Revelation, from the Abraham, from Abraham to Ishmael, and Isaac, Moses, Jesus to Muhammad, you know, there, there's a chain of revelation there. And if you, you know, if you are on a spiritual spiritual search, and looking for the completion of Revelation, you have to look for what you have to look for the three prophets that the Old Testament predicted, john the baptist and Jesus Christ are one and two, and then you have to look for the final prophet, the third and final prophet that was predicted, not only in the Old Testament, but also in the words of Jesus predicting a third prophet who would come and another
parent lead, you know, who would basically clarify, okay, and, and that third prophet is the Prophet Muhammad. So now I'm just, I'm just saying, Okay, I'm just saying that, you know, Islam is a religion that more people, you know, who open their hearts and open their minds and look at it, from an open perspective, just feel that they've been lied to, you know, they, they say, you know, I always thought these people were bad. I always thought this was religion was bad, but, but, you know, I mean, actually, there's so much beauty here. And this is, and this conforms with what I already believed in, this conforms with, you know, the revelation that, you know, I studied before
and, and this clarifies it, and now I understand. So I'm, you know, look, I'm just, you know, we live in a funny time.
People need to get their information in postcard format, you know, if you can't fit it into what is it 140 some characters and a twit, you know, I mean, if you can't, if you can't tweet it, if you can't, if you can't encapsulate it in a very, very brief message that conforms to people's sort of shortened attention span in this time, yeah, it's very hard for people to to engage in the in an intellectual debate. What What about you there was a gentleman and there's a lot of cases like this, where they get fed a lot of this false information, false fears that Oh, you're going over to Jeddah or you're going over to that side of the world, you actually live in so you are a former major in
the US Navy, is that right? Air Force, Air Force, I'm sorry. Um, and you you've been living over you accepted this way of light used to be an atheist trying hard to be a Christian, we have your story from the past. But many people who've been fed these lies, they actually go over there and they experienced the love and hospitality. You must have experienced it because you've been living there for how long now? Tell us about this experience? Is there 17 years and by the way, my my daughter off camera has shown me a little sign saying it's not a twit you twit. It's a tweet. So
but that shows that shows you how much attention I give to social media I feel social media is not is not the pathway to intelligent discourse. It's, you know, social media gives you a postcard version at best for people with extremely shortened attention spans. I mean, I mean, come on, if you're going to engage in the debate, if you are going to hang your afterlife on this, you really cannot take the time to read a book, you really cannot take the time to, you know, to investigate in a serious way. I mean, this is your afterlife, you've got you've got 70 years to figure it out. But you are 60 years or 80 years old. For some people, you know, they die even younger. But, but it this
is going to be your eternity and you cannot devote a little time for it.
You can't give up on a movie one night or a TV show the next or whatever to, to actually cram for the final exam. I mean, come on, really? I mean, if that's what you die upon, you almost kind of deserve it. Because you've been ignoring the one who created you and put you on this earth for the purpose of knowing him and serving and worshiping Him. You know, and you've just totally ignored it. You've just blown it off. It's like, playing Xbox your whole life. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just it's ungrateful. Is ungrateful. And it's irresponsible. Yeah.
Now your experience how you've been living there. This gentleman one in particular, I forgot his name. They had him on I think, could the TV and American Christian and he was told, like these guys are gonna, if you go over there, you might, you know, have your head cut off? Oh, yeah. And then he goes there. And again, he said, Man, they were so hospitable, loving, and he actually, he was a God fearing Christian. He said, you know, God, he basically in summary was asking, just guide me, God, whatever, you know, to the truth. He ended up accepting Islam. We'll show a little clip here, my friends at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland. They said, Do you know what you're doing?
You're putting yourself in harm's way. You're going to get kidnapped, somebody's going to cut your throat. So when I arrived in Saudi Arabia, I was scared to death. I didn't know quite what to expect. But I when I left the United States, I said, God, my mind is open. I don't know what is Islam. I've never been in an Islamic country before. And I don't know about the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. But show me what is truth and what is not truth.
And I came with an open mind, when looking looking, nothing happened. People were coming out of their houses, when they saw me,
inviting me into their homes for tea and coffee. It's a panel of the exact opposite. Incredible. This was not what I expected. Well, I had been in countries all over the world I studied in Taiwan, in Russia and different places, but never in my life. Have I been in any country that respected me as much as an American. And even as a Christian, as Saudi Arabia, grace and mercy forgiveness of sins? Well,
my life was transformed.
Immediately. It was the love of God in the love of the Muslims around me, that drew me to Islam. Now, you're there, you're living there. I mean, is this tell us a little bit about this? When people do go down there? When they get out of their neighborhood? And they get out to other parts of the world? Yeah. How fictitious diseases. I mean, just completely, I've been living in the Middle East for 17 years, when I went over there. People gave me these warnings about you know, watch yourself, it's dangerous that people don't like this, this might happen, that might happen. Now, I've lived there before 911. I was in Medina when 911 happened. And I've lived there ever since. Okay. And I
have never had anything except for for, you know, basically the best treatment? Well, I shouldn't say never. There's always, you know, few isolated incidences of, you know, the same as you'd have here on the street in America where, you know, you just, you know, don't hit it off with somebody, but, but I mean, I've just, I've just had the best of a treatment. I mean, I remember after 911 after 911, I just remember all of these Saudis coming up to me and apologizing, and just, you know, very sincerely saying, We're so sorry, for what happened to your country. And it's not their fault. These are these these are beautiful, polite, well mannered people. You know, once you're in their
presence, you feel their gentleness, they weren't dancing in the streets. I heard the common mantras that when this happened, people are dancing is celebrating. No, that's ridiculous. I mean, I never saw that. And I was, have you heard this cliche? Have you heard this? No, actually, I haven't. But But, you know, I mean, I did not see any of that. And I didn't, I haven't talked with anybody who did. And I was living there. Okay. And I'm in Medina, one of the holy cities, if you if you expect to see that anywhere, if that were the manner of the people, you would expect to have seen that there, but I, I did not have people to, you know, do anything but apologize to me and say, you know,
we're really sad that this happened. And and, you know, telling me as a Muslim telling me, you know, that this is not part of our religion is in Yeah, I know that. And they say, you know, you know, we're not, you know, we're against this. I said, Yes, of course, of course, I know, we're against this and, and so on. But, you know, aside, I mean, aside from that, just in general, I have to say
the propaganda that I have been aware of, is always from what I've seen is just always contrary to the truth. I mean, why have I been in Saudi Arabia for 17 years? I mean,
These, these people have extended their arm of hospitality towards me in their country. And they have given me a beautiful life there. I feel safer in Saudi Arabia, walking, walking down a small alley, which by the way, I do all the time going to prayer, you know, in the morning, sometimes three in the morning, sometimes four in the morning, I feel I feel safer walking down a small dark unlit alley, right, at three or four in the morning than I do sometimes. Just in Open Daylight here in America. You know, the, the, the incidence of crime is so low, the and it's just basic values, you know, that the Arabs have this very high respect, for honesty, for generosity, for hospitality,
you know, and they try to excel at these things, you know, that they, you know, it's, it's,
it's one of the teachings when you go into an Arab household in the Middle East don't look at anything. Because if you allow your eyes to light on something in the room, and the host notices, they'll just take that thing and give it to you. I mean, it might even be something very valuable. I remember one time
You know, when I was fairly new in Medina, I just, I saw this rug in this guy's house. Very beautiful, well handmade, hand knotted rug. I mean, I would estimate it for how you would be in the, you know, maybe around five $6,000 you know, small not, and, I mean, just a beautiful handmade,
you know, carpet. And the guy just saw me looking at it. And that was it. He had to give it to me. Now this this doesn't go after him being an Arab. This is because of the teachings that the Almighty sent from Islam. Correct. This is where do they get this? Now this is I think it's a combination because like, even even, even before the religion of Islam there, you know, there was this extreme, extremely generous Arab named, I think it was happen, if I remember correctly. And so they even have this, you know, this saying to be as generous as hatom because he he set this example for generosity. But you know, I mean, go back to go back to Abraham, and that time where, you know, a
guest would arrive an unknown guest and you would just slaughter the fatted calf. There are beautiful people I think part of you know, part of that is just innate. There. There are beautiful, generous people What if someone said look all your sellout now, you know, like, for myself, I'm a he's an Arab now. No, no, you can't obviously change your your nationality. Look, I'm an American, I love my country. But at the same time, I'm conscious of my purpose in life. I love my Creator. I live this beautiful way of life. But I also respect other people's cultures. I'm open to learn. But if someone you know, says something like this, oh, now you're your sellout. You know, you hear all
sorts of ignorant things, first of all, yeah, first of all, stop listening to me, okay? I mean, go listen to all the other non Muslims, okay, non Muslims who have come to the Middle East and found themselves, you know, welcomed, and well treated by well mannered, generous, hospitable people. My life was transformed
immediately. It was the love of God in the love of the Muslims around me, that drew me to Islam. Okay. And,
you know, be convinced by them, don't be convinced by me. I've known so many people like this, that they're just, you know, they're non Muslims. But they don't want to leave the Middle East. Yeah. And some of them leave the Middle East in tears, because, you know, their, their job has, you know, their contract has ended their job is run out or something like that. I mean, some of them leave the Middle East in tears because they don't want to leave this beautiful environment that they found. Now. Let me just back up for a minute. Please understand, okay, I'm not trying to completely
you know, completely How do you say it I mean, make things look, you know, completely Rosie, all right. Because there are good and bad people everywhere. Okay, so I'm not I'm not saying you know, these people are bad. These people are good. This place is bad. That place is good. No, there are good and bad people everywhere. But it's on a spectrum. Okay. And what I can say is what I can say is that I I feel so happy and so comfortable. In in the presence of the brothers and sisters who welcomed me into their homes and into their country in Saudi Arabia. I never want to leave Yeah, I love these people. Want my my patients, you know, the the Arab patients I have. I love these people.
You know, it is a privilege to me. It's, it's not just a job, it is a privilege to me that Allah has put me in a position where I can treat these people and be an agent through which they regained their eyesight. Okay, an agent, because all good things are from Allah. But okay, I'm an agent through which this happens. And it's a privilege to me that, you know, the powers that be in Saudi Arabia have accepted me as a guest into their country and honors me in that position. Yeah, we got a few more minutes, I want to touch upon a few other things. I mean, that's, that's the power of the human connection, not just closing yourself off from other cultures, other ways of life, and going
beyond what you've been brainwashed to believe. And this is a testimony of many testimony of other people who've experienced again, that love that compassion. And this is what we should be working towards, you know, growing as humanity. Tell us, there's a professor here in Chicago, Dr. Poppy, who said, since we're on this topic, he said that this is an expert, a terrorism expert, he evaluated 1000 plus terrorist acts. And he said, This is not some just random individual expert, he says Islam has little to nothing to do with these terrorist attacks. This is all politically motivated. Have you heard of Dr. Pop in this
analysis, the study that he did,
I haven't, because I work in a different field. As I said, My and before and before 911, you didn't have if you go back, you didn't have these groups as such as Al Qaeda, Daesh, ISIS, all of these things that we're trying to find out the route where these things come from, it's not like Islam is inherently bad, and it's calling you to go ahead and strap bombs, but you have extreme elements these he's talking about these are politically motivated. Yeah, I mean, I haven't heard of him or these, you know, these conclusions, but it doesn't surprise me. Because,
you know, I think, I'm just guessing, but I'm guessing that what he is trying to say is basically, that Islam is not associated with terrorism, because we know that the Islamic beliefs are not consistent with the attacks. Now, there may be Muslims, there may be Muslims who have committed acts of terrorism in the same way that there are Muslims who may have committed crimes. And, you know, Christians and Jews and atheists and everybody else, okay, there are good and bad people everywhere. All right. But I mean, we're talking about a religion of what 1.21 point 3 billion people, I'm a huge portion of the population of this earth. So you can't expect you know, all of them to be
peaceful, law abiding citizens, you'll find some criminals in that mix. Yeah. All right. But so what he's really saying is that you might have some criminal Muslims. But those people don't speak for the religion, stop demonizing the religion, stop marginalizing the religion for the acts of the few. I mean, if you if you look at Okay, let's, let's say that there were 22 Muslim terrorists who carried out 911. And that's a big, that's a big, you know, presumption, but let's say that there were what is 22 out of 1.3 billion, why aren't you looking at the 1.3 billion, and not looking at the 22 in the same way that you look at Christian America? Okay, you look at Well, I almost hate to
say Christian America anymore, because the number of Christians is waning. And those, you know, those who are Christian are very often, you know, sort of marginal Christians.
But in any case, you know, you look at Christian and American Christian America, and they don't accept for their religion to be demonized when there's found to be a Christian serial killer, or a Christian who goes postal and you know, commits in, you know, that happens daily, or the KKK attributing the whole religion to the KKK. Christian sect, that's obvious to see honest English to to, I don't even know if the KKK is still active, they're active, they have almost 200 live branches right now you can go sign up right now, if you wanted, they have websites, they're ready to hire and fire and they're in fully functional, what do you mean by fire?
If you if you use this, if you disengage from those extreme radical beliefs, you probably get kicked out, you're gonna get fired. Okay, you get what I'm saying? Yeah, so in a case, I mean, you know, I'm, I'm just, you know, I'm just saying that, you know, you shouldn't demonize the religion for the acts of the few and I think this this man that you're talking about is probably just just saying, you know, differentiate between Muslims and as long as Yeah, okay. You might find some bad Muslims. You know, you might find some Muslims that conduct conduct acts of terrorism. But if that's not consistent with the religion of Islam, if that if that is
Not from the Islamic teachings then Islam is not responsible for that these guys are these bad guys are but the religion is not give us a tweet give us some to end with. We got it. We're out of time. Give us something for the person tuning in. They're watching us and they don't know much about Muslims, Islam. They're hearing this stuff for the first time. They're seeing you white, Caucasian, what do you guys green or blue? What's that? And they're like, okay, you know, this is interesting. You got to get out there. You've got to get out there. You got to look, one thing I wanted to say is a lot of the Muslims, not a lot, almost all almost all of the Muslims I've ever met. I've been I've
traveled to Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain,
of course, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Israel, and Turkey. And I'm in a number of number of countries in the Middle East, okay. And everybody I've ever met, is frustrated, frustrated, frustrated, and they're always saying the same thing. They're saying, why did you know why did the West see us like this? You know, I mean, this is this is not who we were, you know, we're okay. And if people actually went live with them, they find out that that's true. they'd find out that these people are, you know, they're calm, they're peaceful, they're loving. They like I said, they're hospitable, they're generous. And this has to come from somewhere and yeah, part of it is their nature and part
of it is their their religion, fine tuning their nature, okay? Of course, you know that that's just I mean, those are the moral constraints that they live within also from the religion but it's a beautiful thing and you have to experience it to understand it the other thing I'd say is check out my website level truth calm truth calm level truth calm it's got a lot of material if you if you are on a spiritual search, as I was saying, read a book start with mine. I mean, start start with the first and final commandment, or start with misguided and don't think I'm trying to sell anything, go to the website, download it free of charge. It's all there on PDF downloads. You don't need to pay a
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