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them design Khan live where everything is discussed and nothing is censored. I'd like to welcome you with the Islamic greetings a cinema like them. Today we have a very special guest, a prominent Islamic scholar group globally recognized a PhD scholar and also the founder of international Open University. We have with us today Dr. Bilal Philips. Welcome to our show, Dr. Phillips, this is on hon. It is a pleasure having you on our show, sir. Well, I lay consider to lie here. Well, Kathy, I pleasure to be with you today. Since the topic of today's program is Yadu Jo ma Zhuge. according to Islamic eschatology, the Quran and say Hadid I want to get to the first question. Dr. Bilal Philips
when we talk about your Judo my juge, we hear of the person zilker nain. Who was Wilker Nan? Was he some sort of a time traveler? Was he a warrior? Was he a conqueror, who was oh grunin
smilla was Salatu was Salam ala rasulillah? Well, first and foremost
lucara name, we have very little information about, you know, as you mentioned, was he a time traveler?
You know, whatever thoughts that we have today,
realities is we don't know.
He pops up in Soraka half, because the meccan pagans had,
had wanted to put some questions or put to challenge Prophet Muhammad SAW sell them whilst he was still in machop. So they went to Medina, and they met up with the rabbis there, you know, who had more knowledge about
Christian theology, Jewish theology, whatever. And
they gave him or gave them three questions to ask the prophets Allah, which should, according to them, expose him if he was not for real. So they won one of the three questions was, who was the codename? And this is what comes up in verse 83. of swirl gaff that we're supposed to read every Friday, if we're able.
There are a lot of says in verse 83. Why is aluna aka Andrew Carnegie,
they ask you about the name, who is the day that they are the pagan Meccans.
Tell them Allah says, I will recite to you something of his story.
the prophets Allah then went in to explain what the law revealed through revelation, you know, of the story of the Carnegie's, but who was he, in the past and also in the present?
Use the valley. He presented in his translation of the Quran, you know, an extensive argument for Volker named being Alexander the Great.
And yes, there are similarities connected, you know, and he connects all the points and that but in the end, the bottom line is that low carb nain was a righteous deliver a leader, a conqueror, a traveler,
but first and foremost, he was righteous. And we see that through all the different steps that he took with the various people that he came across how he dealt with them, etc. He was a righteous ruler,
or conqueror, whatever title you want to give him. You know, Alexander the Great, was a pagan. He was, you know, a Greek
No pagan warrior who worshiped idols. So there's no matter what evidence you bring, it contradicts the description which the Quran gives all the little card name. So there's no way that Alexander the Great could be considered to be a little coronae.
I want to get to a very technical question. How did zilker naygn come across or meet the Judo module?
Okay, before going into that, I would just add that the name they'll coordinate.
You know, what did it mean? What did it come from a car normally is a horn. You know, the horns on the heads of the animals is called corn, same thing. But corn also,
linguistically, refers to the top of the head, the very top highest point on your head. That's also called the con Coronavirus.
And Ali ibn abee, taalib, you know, the cousin of the province asylum. He narrated authentically that, though Carnegie was given this name, because
he was, as he was engaged in spreading the message of Islam.
In the regions that he went to, he was struck on the top of his head and killed. Actually, he died, then a law brought him back to life. And he continued to spread a last word until he was struck again a second time, and he died. And that was it. There was no coming back. So this is where the title of the name came from.
That he had, he was was hit on his head, killed by being stuck on his head twice.
Yes, I was asking, How did zilker nan come across or come to meet the Judo module?
Okay, well, on on his journey, he came across people who complained to him about Yeah, Judge, and my judge, having, you know, harmed them,
attacked them, etc. They suffered from them. So they asked the lucara name to help them to build a wall, which would block them from harming those people. We don't know who those people are, you know, we just know that they made this request. And then our name,
accepted their request. They offered to pay me didn't want any money for it. This was what power that ally had given him in terms of construction, etc. And he constructed a wall, which would keep them at bay.
Dodger Billa Phillips, when we talk about the wall is zilker nan built, the question arises, how is it possible for an individual, either a conqueror or warrior to build such a wall? I mean, doesn't this require special powers?
Well, we don't really know exactly what he did.
beyond saying that, he he built a wall, how that wall was, how thick it was, how high it was, you know?
where it was? We don't know. We don't have that knowledge. So,
you know, those who
speculate as to how there could be a wall holding back. Yeah, Jews and Jews and we didn't actually go into who they are, you know, but anyway,
enough to say that,
how it could be
somewhere on the earth. You know, we've got satellites now, you know, mapping out the whole earth. You know, they've covered virtually everywhere, virtually, but not everywhere, but they've covered much of the earth in their mapping.
So, where are these people? Where is the wall?
Allah knows best.
We're not going to get into you know, some people are saying
One of our brothers said recently that actually, yeah, do genma jujhar zombies fit on it go there? No, we don't need to go there. I mean, zombies aren't real, it's nonsense anyway.
The reality is that of, you know, we can only base our understandings and our discussions around what the prophet SAW this alum has informed us directly, himself through the authentic heartbeats, or his companions
narrating from him or explaining that giving their additional explanations, you know,
because that would have been drawn from what they understood from him, you know, or from the Quranic verses themselves. That's where we are limited. What are the origins of the Judo module according to the Quran? And say,
we don't know.
We know that there are people, you know, in
the scriptures of the Jews and the Christians.
They it's confused, you know, are they a people? Or is it a person? You know, it's, it's unclear.
In the Old
Testament, and Ezekiel, the Old Testament, God is an individual. And may God is his land. So the text which refers to God and may God is really, God from Magog.
That's how it was used. But, you know, later on in Jewish
tafsir, it shifted from God from Magog into God, and may God and that's how it went into Christian writings in the revelations of john.
And, and describing the ending of times, you know, among the signs of the ending of the world. So that's, that's where it is in their scriptures. For us, in terms of who they are, well, the prophets I saw them describe them as, as being short in stature.
And having faces like flat shields.
flat face, it's instead of protruding with noses protruding out and other portions of the face, you know, grounded or pointed, it was flat, okay. And the people who have those kinds of features, you know, are
but they call the Mongoloid
regions, the Mongoloid people, people of China and Mongolia and related countries. And as a result of that, some Muslim scholars
Yeah, do genma Jews were really getting his hand and his words that in the 13th century, no, pour it out of Mongolia and China and devastate the world. You know, they massacred genocide, streets flowing with blood, in modern estimates, go from 4 million people being killed, you know, in the various cities that they hit to as much as 40 million. And now it was it a massive
scene of destruction for four years. So they concluded that it was
the Mongols, Genghis Khan, and hulagu Khan and the others. But reality is that we don't believe that, that that contradicts though at the time, the people, you know, might have said, well, who else could it be, but then, you know, they're seeing it upfront, these flat face people are coming and killing them, slaughtering them, burning their cities and everything else. You know, it seems to make sense, but the point is that the zoo Lhasa Sallam did describe the times when the yeah juge and modules will show up.
Gargan, may God are coming after the job has the job come here? No. So we know that whoever came at different points in time and did different things of the past, that it was not the dog and the dog, the dog in the make dog come after the killing of
that job. Prophet Jesus, the Messiah
will kill the false messiah. Let's see, I had that job after killing him, and resetting the situation, you know, he will be informed by a loss by the Allah of the coming of the gods and the makeup. So if we haven't seen the signs that were coming before them, then know that it hasn't happened. I know you don't like to speculate. But I still want to ask you this question, according to your personal research.
And I know, again, you don't like speculating which direction is the wall of zilker name of your Judo module? Which, which direction? As you said, I don't like to speculate, you know, because my speculation
is no different from the speculations of others. If you don't have material, tear material, to build a premise as a premise to build a speculation on, and it's just wild speculation. And there are plenty of people out there that enjoy doing that. And people enjoy, you know, hearing the stories of, you know, whatever, that people tell in these matters. But for myself, I stick with what Rasulullah saw Sallam said what the last ones I said what the Sahaba explained, that's it. I don't need to go any further because there is nothing out there to speculate on.
How will the Judo module emerge in the end times?
the prophets I saw lamb had explained that
when the dead Jarl
dominates the world. And again, the judge is also a figure of speculation.
Some people think that Joe is, you know, the television
because he's described as being one I watch is not one I will use that he is blind in one eye.
Right? So he has one functioning eye. So they say that's the television, you know, the television screen is like one big guy looking at you. So that's, that's where they go. But this is not the job.
The job is a person, because as Elon describes him in physical terms, and even said that he looks like so and so a person from such and such a tribe
is a man, a human being. Anyway, the point is that after the Zhao is defeated by Prophet Jesus
and his followers are settling down to take
control over the areas that they were in.
Probably Jesus will be informed that
Gargan demagogues are on the way
and he will be told that there is no way of defeating them.
They can't be defeated.
along with this, Prophet Muhammad SAW Salam described what's going on,
in the region, where the garden that may god exists,
that that wall which had been built by the incarnate
which they would try time and time again, to break
to break a hole through
They would reach a point where they would get some light from the other side. But
when they would come back the next day to continue their work, it would be closed again. So this was just a continual effort that they made, and they were not able to finish the job. So, time is going to come. And that is the time when Prophet Jesus has killed the job.
At that time,
the hole will be the opening for the demolition of the wall.
Once they demolish the wall, then they will
attack the earth in hordes
like wave after wave.
And the browser's lm described that they would pass by rivers and streams and lakes and just
take all the water from all of the places that they pass by, they will just
use up all of the water to drink, what destruction would they cause on earth in the end times on Yom Okayama or near yomo Yama?
Well, what was described is that they would fight of course, people of the earth will try to
withstand them, to block them to stop them. And they will just be defeating, you know, armies and people's left and right.
they will reach a point where they have beaten everybody, nobody else left on earth, to meet them, to fight against them. And then they will turn to the sky and turn their weapons towards the sky. And they will fire into the sky What are described as arrows and Lance's Of course along those best, you know, what instruments they will use at that time, but they will be like arrows and Lance's and these weapons will fall back to Earth, covered in blood.
And they will say that they've killed the beings of the sky.
And some will even say we killed God.
God is dead, we've killed them.
So it is up to that point
that they will reach having defeated the world, the world is submitted to them. And they are now turning to what is beyond the world, claiming to even kill what is beloved beyond the world, nothing can stop them. At this point, of course, processor Lam told us that probably Jesus would take refuge with his followers, those who were with him in the fight against the job, etc, stayed with him that they would take refuge in Mount tour.
And they would hide out there.
And when the goggan and may God reached that pinnacle of power, Allah will send some worm like creatures that would bore its way into their heads from the back from their neck, the back going boring into their brains, and it will just wipe them out like a plague just hits them and they die to the last man.
That's how they will be defeated by a laws command. Human beings were incapable of or other human tribes, nations etc. We're incapable of stopping them.
Okay, I don't want to overlap the timelines. But this is a very important question.
Will there be a role of hazard Isa May peace be upon him or Mr. MADI in defeating the Judo module, which
in my mind is way before, I mean, it's before the time of Prophet he says it mean he was. He already appeared before the time of Prophet Isa and his struggle with the the armies of
East and West
with the time of the return of Prophet Isa.
Right? The Zhao is involved in the struggle with Mr. McAfee. So he's from an early period of these various events.
in terms of Prophet Jesus, after the defeat of the gods and the Magog, then he will rule the earth for a period of time
you will marry have children make Hajj and as ruler of the earth, He will die,
you will die on the earth, you know as all other human beings have done.
And at that point, when he dies, then Allah will send a wind.
And that wind will pass,
you know, around the bodies of the believers in the swarming process, I
described it as passing under their armpits, so you know that the wind will blow the sweat and blow that way. And as it passes around, over the bodies of the believers, it will take their souls, so all of the true believers will die at that time. And those remaining living on the earth will be disbelievers, and it is at that point, when the angel who is to blow the trumpet
or horn for signaling the end of the world, following that process,
then the trumpet or horn will be blown.
And the process is now that a lot describes in the Quran of the you know, the seas, boiling over and, and, and all the various, you know, sun rising in the West and all these other things will be happening now the final
science of the last our major science will end off the world.
Dr. blops I want to get to the last question. Um, I was reading the Quran. And there there was a mention of this animal, which would emerge from the crust of the earth or
from the earth and it would talk to human beings near the end times. Um, would you give us a little more information about that and its timeline when it comes to the end times? dabba dabba till ARB
which is described in the brand, at what point does diabetologia appear?
Allah knows best, I can't speak on that.
Because the information on daba tomorrow is the least
among but what it is, is that this creature will come
UK said the belly of the earth to come out and speak to the people.
You know, this is among the final calls for people to accept a lot before the ending of the world. But at what point exactly does it fit in? Is it while the Yadu genma jujur
happening? Or is it in the time of the gentleman that the job is strong and and conquering and he will pop up though the diabetologia will pop up at that point. Allah knows best.
Dr. Bill Phillips, it was such a pleasure having you on the show. Would you want to give any last message to our viewers and audience?
My pleasure to be here, but let me just add a point or two. That, you know when Allah has told us about all of this,
he has told us about it through the process I love, you know, for us to take lessons from so it's not just you know, a history lesson for the future.
It's it's, it's it contains lessons for the present.
And that's what we need to take out of it.
Whether we're dealing with little tornabene, and how they'll carnation dealt with the people that he came across, you know, judging righteously
building the wall, you know, this is also calling us to
being helpful to those around the world that are in need of help. Whether there are people who are, as mentioned beforehand, you know, who didn't have any clothes, they didn't have any means of covering themselves, you know, he provided the means he supported them. So, this also calls us to follow the way a little car name in terms of helping others, not utilizing one strength and power, etc, to dominate and subjugate others, you know.
from that, and from also the story concerning the garden, the May god
that those forces of evil won't give up, they will keep going until they finally are destroyed. Don't think that we're going to find paradise on this in this world, you know, the struggles that we will have to go through, this is the nature of this world, and Prophet Jesus, no, in spite of who he was, and who he is, and who he will be.
With regards to a lot smarter Allah, even he
would reach a point where he could not do anything more.
Allah is the one he is alive disease, he is a bogey, he is, you know, all of the attributes necessary to provide protection for human society,
and to help us out of these various situations. So we should turn to him
instead of turning to others in this life, you know, whether they're dead or living, seeking help from them, when they're not in a position to really help us, you know, we need to direct our prayers as Prophet Jesus did. After
he and his followers, the forces that were with him realize that they could not stop the garden that make up
the garden to make Well, we're overpowering the holders.
stopped when the time was right, I could have started from the very beginning.
So among the lessons that we should also learn from this circumstance, you know, there was a narration from Zainab bint jahsh,
she related that the bouncers element said, on one occasion,
describing situation this situation related to the garden that may god he said, Woe to the Arabs,
from the great evil that has approached them.
Today, a hole has been opened in the dam in the wall of the garden, the make up
hole like this.
And then I've asked him,
all messenger of Allah,
shall we be destroyed? Even though there are righteous people among us?
And he replied, saying, yes,
if evil deeds become plentiful,
if evil deeds become plentiful, then a loss destruction can come on people, not just on the evil amongst them, but on all of the people. The good who are in their midst
will be destroyed at the same time.
If they do not engage in
command, commanding the good and forbidding the evil, if they remain silent, because why is that destruction coming? Because the good were silent.
And silence in the presence of evil is like support of evil.
So there is in the message also this
message from the story
or the history of the future to come, as you promised Isola has given us and Allah gave us the plan,
that we do have a duty to
uphold the good and prohibit the evil. Quantum chromatin allegedly NASS, Allah described this as the best
nation raised up from the masses of the earth.
Because we command the good, and we prohibit the evil.
So there's a message in this also, that we have to continue to call for the good and pray, but the evil till the last breath that we take.
And there are many others, that could be taken lessons that could be taken from
the story of the judge, Mr. Judge. But I'll just say generally, whenever we hear these types of stories about times to come, or things which took place in the past or whatever, we should always try to find the message in it.
an underlying message. It's not just a story, just like when we read the life of Prophet Muhammad SAW Salah it runs like a story. But there are messages at every stage. There are lessons to be learned.
There is an example there. And we should try always to find it and go beyond the surface.
story and dig deep, and find the essence of why the stories were told.
Baraka logical. Thank you so much, Dr. Bill Phillips for being on zyme Khan live, it was a real pleasure having you. My pleasure to be with you. And I pray that this session has benefited your audience. And Allah will give you a long life to continue to organize such programs for the benefit of the oma. They're like cept our sacrifices and are living and are dying for him. I mean, this was Dr. Bilal Philips, a prominent Islamic scholar globally recognized and academic, the founder of international Open University, we were discussing a very important topic when it comes to the end times and Islamic eschatology. The Jews are our judge, Dr. Blah Phillips clarified a lot of our
misconceptions, and he gave us references of the Quran and say Hawaii, he explained to us the reality of your Judo module. Until the next episode of Zan con live, keep on watching Zan Han live, where everything is discussed and nothing is censored. A salaam aleikum take care goodbye.