Amir Junaid Muhadith – Exclusive Interview Former Rapper
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You see the $100,000
cars. You see a lot of diamonds. You
see, you know, for men for the sake
of men, you see a lot of females,
and they think that this is, you know,
this is a life. Because I just actually
visited him in California not too long ago.
They got all the same things I was
exposed to in my lifestyle, Lamborghinis,
jets, boats, and everything. So, you know And
then you get kidnapped in Brussels.
Tell us about that. Mhmm. So guess who
takes you harder?
Guess who takes you harder?
Guess who takes Shahada? This is actually your
first, like, exclusive interview, sit down interview Absolutely.
Here on the deed show with folks.
Assalamu Alaikum.
And this has been long overdue. You guys
been asking. You guys been sending the emails,
the requests. Where's our brother? Where's our brother,
Amir?
Where's he at? Formerly known as Loom. Well,
he's here finally with us here on the
Dean show.
How are you doing, my brother?
I mean,
you know, words can't really express,
you know, the gratitude that I feel
that Allah
chose me
to endure a trial
that only contributed to growth.
I remember the last time I was on
this show,
I was very, very new to Islam.
And what Allah had instilled in my heart
of understanding Tawhid
and understanding my purpose
of creation or my purpose of being created.
I was able to
speak
a very profound statement
that started on this very show,
but that we're paying for the disease,
but the cure is fee is free.
And that just only spoke to my
state at that time,
void of any other, you know, knowledge of
Islam
to a, you know, certain extent, but that
right there and you gave me this platform.
You know what I mean? And I reward
you to express
what was in my heart at the time
and what resonated as my state
as a Muslim at that particular moment. So.
I mean, we we've we've had some some,
sneak peeks of you here and there. You
popped up, but this is actually your first,
like, exclusive interview, sit down interview Absolutely. Here
on the Deen Show we're following.
This is this is from Allah because, you
know, everything else was,
you know, under the conditions of COVID.
You know, a lot of these interviews were
virtual. You know?
Like, when I first accepted Islam, I fled
with my religion. You know what I'm saying?
Out of fear of
the environment that I had left behind
and the people
that I had left behind.
Because what I had found was pure.
What I found was the truth.
So I removed myself from the environment
that will contradict
or combat with that truth and that purity.
And I moved to Egypt
where I had opportunity to study,
you know,
several miracles and far as the language, and
I had just signed up for that as
at Al Azar University
before I went and made Hajj.
And
my return from Hajj,
I remember coming home to Egypt,
dropping off everything that I had purchased for
my family,
and getting on the plane to go to
Belgium
to give a talk at the university.
And I'm just getting back right now from
Belgium,
pretty much. Mhmm.
Let's make a timeline. I wanna I wanna
go back a little bit for those people
who kinda bring them up to speed. You
got some people who are gonna be turned
out to this, named Lewin for the first
time Yeah. To,
Amir for the first time. Many, fans of
the show, they know you.
You've been with us, you know, years ago.
But I wanna start off with just kinda
bringing people up to speed about and then
just in a nutshell, just like we did
kinda the last time, and people can go
and watch that program
that we did. But you you started off,
a kid from Harlem,
Yep. New York? Yep. Born and raised in
Harlem, New York City. And
usually, a kid from Harlem, what's he aspire
to be? What's he wanna be? Just kids
in general growing up. They wanna live the
American dream. They wanna do what? Achieve what?
What's what's on the minds of the youth?
Children all over the world, they are inspired
by what they see. So growing up in
Harlem, I was actually exposed
to, you know,
the local drug dealers,
you know, guys that will influence you in
the streets.
There wasn't really too many outlets
that were,
you know,
attractive, so to say. They were present, but
wasn't as attractive
as either playing basketball
or, you know, indulging in activities
in the streets. So
this was common for, you know, the youth
in Harlem to be exposed to these things
and later to either be affiliated or involved
to an extent
to where you
can actually reap the consequences that come with
either your affiliation or your involvement.
So that's my origin.
And then the only escape
at the time was the music business. Mhmm.
You know what I'm saying? The music business
offered me an escape of what I thought
was an escape,
which actually became a more intensified
aspect of what I had already,
you know,
endured Mhmm. Through the streets. And then fast
forward, you hook up with,
people such as Mace, Tommy Boy,
somebody's bet
p Diddy,
Puff Daddy,
then you hit it big. Yeah.
Fast track to that. How does that all
happen? Well,
in pursuit of that escape,
escape, which was me pursuing a career in
the music business, I started off as a
ghostwriter,
which is a person who writes music
without actually being seen.
So you are actually contributing to other people's
careers.
And it was kind of a back seat
type of thing where I'm able to make
money writing songs,
collecting royalties, and publishing
from writing songs for people and not really
pursuing to be in front of the camera.
So that started in, like, 95. I was
writing for Shaquille O'Neal.
The basketball player? Basketball player. I got a
deal at Tommy Boy Records in 96.
Then from there, I did a group project
called Harlem World with Mace.
Then after that, I signed as a solo
artist to Arista Records. And then from Arista
Records, I went to Bad Boy Records, and
then my career,
you know, took off. Is Shaquille O'Neal Muslim?
And may Allah be be to you. Thank
you.
But when I speak to him, he gives
me salaams. Uh-huh. You know what I'm saying?
I return the salaams without, you know, investigating.
Amdulillah gives salaams. You know?
And, you know, I just recently seen him
pop up in the interview. So, you know,
inshallah, I'm a reach out to him.
Maybe that'd be a conversation we're having, Devens,
inshallah. And for those people that don't know,
I mean, Muslim is simply one who has
submitted his or her will to the creator
of the heavens and earth. Al Sahih. Yeah.
So, you know, these are things
that constitute a person to enter the fold
of Islam
by way of
testifying that none has the right to be
worshiped with Allah, and then Muhammad sallallahu alayhi
wasallam is the messenger
of Allah. You know? And what follows is,
you know, implementation
of that understanding.
So you went now
from being a ghostwriter behind the scenes Mhmm.
And now you get up on the mainstream.
Mhmm. You hit the big
big deal. Mhmm. Right? That's like the main,
like, the top where you can make it
mainstream singing with the, you know, the
the the mongol
mogul himself. He did how did that how'd
you break through into that?
Well,
I asked, he was ghost writing for him.
I started off
writing songs for him as well.
That means they're you're they're you're the original,
person behind the scene. Who's making up the
words that he's going to say. Absolutely. So,
you know, you have
some artists that are writers, but then you
have some artists that are
performers. And the ones that perform
may require,
you know,
songs from writers. So that was how our
relationship started. And then it actually propelled into
me having
a position to ultimately, like you said, get
into the point, or the pinnacle
of,
like you said, get into the point, or
the pinnacle of what is,
you know,
required of success in the music business is
to become, you know, artists who does a
couple hit records.
So I was able to do a couple
hit records. I was able to write numerous
hit records, and I solidified my
position in that business as an artist and
a songwriter. Mhmm.
And then from there, that that relationship with
Puff Daddy and everything, that went on for
several years for for a long time? Yeah.
I mean, actually,
there was
a moment of separation,
you know, for professional reasons.
Never personal because I just actually visited him
in California not too long ago.
And it was, you know, it was a
great reunion because
you can't overlook the fact that, you know,
we've accomplished a lot of things together, but
at the same time, only by Lawrence Secret,
had I not been
in that business or had I not been
successful or exposed to the lifestyle and everything
that came with that business, I wouldn't be
sitting on this couch right now. Now in
the and then we we met
from there
when all that happened. How many years later
until we actually met?
We actually met, I believe, in
2009
Mhmm. Because I had
I believe you,
interviewed me or Freeway first. Or How's he
doing Freeway? Freeway is doing great, actually. I
haven't spoken to him yet since I've been
home, but I spoke to him a few
times when I was incarcerated.
And, you know, may Allah, you know, preserve
him and and increase him in good. He
had a a a a actual health scare.
You know? And
I believe he had a successful, you know
what I'm saying,
treatment or surgery
that, you know, by law's permission, has, you
know, restored his health, and he's out, you
know, pretty much doing what he was doing,
you know, prior to that. So, you know,
the fact that he's still, he's Muslim,
and, you know, we look to, you know,
that which is apparent opposed to that which
is not apparent. So, you know, he's my
brother in Islam. We made Umrah together. My
first visit with Saudi was me and You
did Hajj and Umrah. Right? I did Hajj
and I did Umrah first. Yeah. And then
I made Hajj,
alhamdulillah, and, you know, Allah invited me to
his house twice. Mhmm. So, you know,
there's no way to describe the gratitude that
comes with being able to
establish that 5th pillar in Islam,
which I believe
every Muslim
aspires to do. And I pray that every
Muslim, insha'allah,
gets the opportunity
to go to, you know what I'm saying,
you know,
So then we meet in 2009,
and I remember we were talking about your
story. And then in that in some of
those questions, you were talking about the the
different perception that you were getting from meeting
Muslims,
being around Muslims, the hospitality
Absolutely. And some of these things. Absolutely. The
same hospitality you showed me just today. You
come in. You know? And I it's funny
because I tell a lot of, you know,
brothers and even you know, brothers that never
really experienced,
you know, the hospitality of the Muslims. And
I have a friend of mine that actually,
you know, I've known for 20 years. We
worked together, and I invited him with me
to go to a Yemeni brother's house. Yeah.
And I told him before we left, I
said, listen. Don't don't eat no food.
I'm telling you right now. If you go
to this place, you better go with the
appetite because the Muslims are gonna try to
put a whole lamb in your body. They're
gonna feed you over 300 dates. You're gonna
drink, like, 14 gallons of tea and Kahua
and so on and so forth. You know?
And jokingly, it's it's funny, but at the
same time, it just shows you that the
hospitality of the Muslims is something that's foreign
to people because, you know, in certain areas
of the world,
to extend yourself like that means it to
be something that's 20 years in standing, like
something I have to, you know, that comes
from a lengthy relationship.
But that's something that the Muslims just do
on first sight. So your perception before you
entered into the fold of Islam,
of Islam itself Mhmm. Was it negative? No.
It was never negative. It was just ignorant.
I I never knew. You know what I'm
saying?
And
and and I fought
some of the Muslims in my community
who didn't take the initiative.
They call some of us who they were
aware
of our struggle and our plight
in the streets and not invite us or
call us to Islam.
So, you know, it was never
hatred because in my community, we all coexisted,
and we all, you know, you know, utilized
the space that we were in. For example,
like, most of the corner stores, they were
owned by some of the Yemeni brothers, even
some Lebanese brothers and so on and so
forth. Then the taxi services before Uber and
Lyft, you know, you had
the taxi service was dominated by Western Africans,
you know what I'm saying, from Senegal, Cote
D'ivoire, places like that. And then, you know,
the pharmacies were particularly dominated by Pakistanis and
Indian or Bengali people as well. So it's
like this was the
Pakistanis and Indian or Bengali people as well.
So it's like this was the extent of
diversity that I knew
in my area in New York City.
And,
basically, you know, there was never no call.
It was just, okay. They got they thing,
and we got our thing. You know what
I'm saying?
So
I guess, you know,
become becoming Muslim
and then that brotherhood being extended based upon
that acceptance of Islam,
it just showed me that there was a
world I was missing. There was a brotherhood
I was missing. There was a lot of
things I was missing. You know? So,
you know, anyone that's
inclined to Islam
will learn these things as well, inshallah. Yeah.
Let's take
a step back in history, and we're gonna
just quickly react.
I want you to this is you and
me
doing that interview in 2009 Mhmm. And some
things now that you're gonna
hear. Do you remember some of these things
that you said? Let's,
see your reaction after we listen to some
of these words of yours. How's that? For
the most part, I think that a lot
of people, you know,
mainly, you know, preferably the youth, you know,
we all share kind of the same common
desires
and temptations.
And I think the music business kinda breathes
these things, and it gives people a What's
that video? Which video is this? I need
a girl. Of, you know, mostly the perks
in the business, so to say. And I
think that, you know, the youth,
by being so inspired all around the world,
you know what I'm saying, being so inspired
by this lifestyle, a lot of them who
have been born into certain faiths, you know,
saying, like, Islam and and things of that
nature, you know, they try to incorporate this
lifestyle into something that's
so beautiful. You know what I'm saying? Islam
is just so beautiful, and I've been seeing
over the years how,
you know, this this business and this lifestyle
has affected so many of the youth.
And myself You're talking about the lifestyle now
that you're in the world people admire. They
look up in this consistent pattern of doing
so many sinful things. You know, they come
with the business. You know, we actually,
you know, had the opportunity to make songs
that might not be so vulgar, might not
be so, you know, you know,
negative. Mhmm. But the reality of it is
there's a lifestyle that comes with it, and
that was the thing that really plagued my
life because
what you're propelled in
based on the success,
you know, is a lifestyle that just becomes
so repetitive and so consistent, and you find
yourself being removed further and further away from
a true, further and further away from peace,
further away from anything
that was pure about you before you enter
the business. So like I said, you know,
on the outside, everything looks good. You see
the $100,000
cars. You see a lot of diamonds. You
see, you know, for men for the sake
of men, you see a lot of females,
and they think that this is, you know,
this is a life. This is this is,
like, you know, paradise right here on Earth.
But the reality of it is, you know,
I couldn't purchase peace. You know, I was
probably able to buy a car, buy a
house, buy a chain.
Couldn't purchase peace.
And the reality of it is, while we're
sitting here while I'm sitting here constantly paying
for the disease,
The cure was free.
Paying for the disease. Paying for the disease.
The cure is free. The cure is free.
Right there.
So we talked about
you talked about the beauty of Islam.
Let's start from there.
So what had you was what was so
beautiful about Islam
that finally had you accept it?
The beauty to me
was, you know,
simply
Allah's guidance
because I wasn't looking for Islam.
I never had no one talk to me
really about Islam. I was never invited to
any talks, any conferences, or anything.
Just my travels,
which I was trying to salvage my career
when I left bad boy,
was my goal.
But my first stop
where I first got inspired was when I
went to Senegal.
And I visit, you know, Goree Island, the
first slave houses there.
And I learned quickly
from someone who
understood the history of that place
that this was something that was pinnacle
in removing
my previous attachment to
black nationalism
or, you know, just nationalism in general
or, you know, the things that we hold
on to as African Americans to restore or
protect our dignity, our pride, our sense of
belonging, and so on and so forth when
it was explained to me that 60,000,000
slaves had passed through there, but 6,000,000 never
left the soil because they fought and they
died.
Meaning, they fought and they died because they
would not submit to no one other than
Allah.
So they died on the very soil
than the ones who were weaker than any
man and those who were overpowered by those
who oppressed them,
they became victims of the transatlantic
slave trade. So that experience alone stripped me
of nationalism
and it gave me
a a a heightened sense of understanding
from just that space.
Then next, I visited Kazakhstan,
you know, which is Middle East and Asia,
and
that is when I experienced a different form
of diversity
as far as the Muslims. Because like I
mentioned, I only knew of 3
particular
groups
or,
you know, nationalities
or ethnicities
that shared this common, you know, saying, understanding
of Islam.
But I goes to Kazakhstan, and I learned
that this is even more widespread than I
ever imagined.
And then 3rd, because I became Muslim in
Abu Dhabi.
So visiting the UAE
at the time
where, you know, you know, may Allah make
us better. It's not a place that, you
know,
kinda like, you know
you know, oozes with Islam or, you know,
things of that nature. But
shows you that this is Allah's guidance because
at first I was going
I was gonna reject the the invitation
because of everything that I was taught in
this country about the Muslims, the misconceptions,
the propaganda, and so on and so forth.
So I was a victim of understanding
from
one particular die
dynamic that the the Muslims were these excessive
people.
But then you go to this place, it's
like, it's the exact opposite.
These people are living. You know what I'm
saying? Allah favored them with wealth. They got
all the same things I was exposed to
in my lifestyle, Lamborghinis,
jets, boats, and everything. So, you know,
this pretty much bought it home for me.
So
I believe that
that was Allah guiding me without
statement, without words, without interaction with other Muslims,
no invitation,
nothing.
Just a statement of the prophet when
he said
So whomsoever Allah chooses to guide, none can
lead them astray, and whomsoever Allah leads astray,
none can guide. So
I remember the first time I heard Khutbatah
Hajjid, and I just knew, like, this
is the very thing
that clarified
my experience,
that this was guidance. Mhmm. So, you know
So now you're you're watching yourself
in 2009 Mhmm. And then the epic statement
that you made, I'm paying for the disease
while the cure is free. What are you
what are you thinking now? Now everything you
went through,
and are you As profound as that statement
was then, it's the same now.
Because I believe that from my experiences and
my travels of talking to the youth around
the world
and seeing the commonality and the things that,
you know, they're attracted to and what takes
them away from the remembrance of Allah and
what makes them abandon
the the Islamic identity and so on and
so forth.
This is just another
means of paying for the disease,
but, ultimately, whether you're a person that knows
or don't know,
the cure still remains free.
So even for the Muslim who's born, who
Allah favored to come from the loins and
the wounds
of believers
and to be exposed to things that detour
them or, you know, take them away from
the memories of Allah,
you know, a sincere repentance
becomes the cure and it's free.
But the more we continue to indulge in
these things, we're only paying for the disease
and that which puts us on a path
for gradual destruction. Mhmm. And for the non
Muslim who's ignorant
or unaware
of
this cure, which is free,
then they too, until Allah guidance reaches them
or Allah changes the condition of their heart,
they remain upon a path where they're constantly
invested
in a disease that will only lead to
their demise, not only in this life and
the next,
but the cure
Yeah.
Is still free.
So at the time when I said that,
that was just my pure sincere emotion of
understanding my current state at that time.
But now as you grow and understand the
religion more and you study more and you
learn all of the things that conform with
the knowledge and understanding of tawhid,
then you know
that Allah has provided a cure for every
disease.
So there's nothing that we can endure in
this life that Allah hasn't provided a cure
for, and the cure is free Mhmm. No
matter what the disease is.
The cure for it is free.
What's so beautiful about your story, and this
is why people are so attracted to it,
is because on one end, you have people
who are so fascinated
with these 2 minute videos that get, like,
you know, 100 of millions of views and
people are, like, just drooling at the mouth.
You got the scantily dressed, traudy dressed women
that are being used and abused really
on these, by some of these
artists out there.
No shame of what's being said and, you
know, the language that's used.
This is the true oppression of women, I
believe. Absolutely. Yeah. But then people are just
so caught up with that, but then to
see someone get out of that
and to come out and
to really because even the Kanye West's and
many of those who are in that lifestyle,
they talk about and they sing about the
corruption in there,
all the all the evil that's in this
world,
but then they don't get out and do
what you've done, you know, to submit to
the truth, to come to the truth, you
know what I mean, and still not go
back. And may Allah protect you, me, all
of us from going back to those days
of ignorance, you know? So that's what's beautiful,
you know, and it's captivating. Yeah. Someone who
was up at the mainstream like that and
now he's a Muslim. And not just someone
who's who's because you do have Muslims,
but then they're shy to come out like
you. You're in the Breakfast Club not too
long ago
and you're asked about music and you're like,
you're breaking out why. Absolutely. You know, why
you don't listen to music. Absolutely. Because the
lifestyle that comes with it. You're saying subhanallah.
Yeah. Because the thing is You're saying that
alhamdulillah it's coming natural. You're not shy about
that. Well, I mean, this is the problem
in You get what I'm saying? Absolutely. Where
people we know they're Muslim, but now they're
very timid. They're very scared. You know? They're
kinda undercover.
Well, see, this is this is the overwhelming
presence of opposition to Islam
that resides in the west, preferably America, you
know, the UK, England,
so on and so forth,
is that and then you have media that
plays a very significant role in placing a
particular
identity
on the Muslims
that's a false narrative.
So what happens is, you know,
the more a person heart is inclined to
pleasing the law, he'll do it at the
expense of the people's anger.
You understand? You'll do it at the expense
of the people's anger, meaning that I'd rather
please the law and have you angry at
me
opposed to pleasing you
and having a lot anger at you know
what I'm saying? Angry with me.
So it becomes a a a situation of
perspective.
We say we love Allah and his messenger.
We testify that none has the right to
be worshiped with Allah and that Muhammad
is his messenger.
So with this testimony,
right, with a pure intention,
statement of the tongue,
which follows is
action of the limbs. These three things have
to be synonymous. We can't just have a
pure intention
and not speak, or we can't
just speak and not act. All of these
things have to be synonymous, and that's a
part of our ascription to the sunnah of
the prophet.
You know? And when it comes to courage,
courage is not measured just by acts of
violence
or implementing aggression
when, you know, we feel that Islam is
attacked or, you know, the the religion is
being slandered and so on and so forth.
You know?
When you come from a place of understanding,
it becomes a lot more easier to implement
wisdom.
And the wisdom is
a person that stands for something is more
respected than a person who stands for nothing.
So we're men,
and this should
be something that's incumbent upon men, not just
the Muslim, but men in general. Whatever you
stand for, stand on it. Yeah. You know
what I mean? Because that's the way I
was raised in the streets before Islam is
that whatever it is, I'm standing on I'm
standing on that. So I love Allah and
his message. I love what Allah loves. I
hate what Allah hates, and this becomes
regulation of my emotions. Yeah. So when I
love when Allah loves,
my emotions in the right place. If it's
something that Allah forbids and he hates it,
then I hate it. Mhmm. You know what
I'm saying? So why would you not defend
what you love? Yeah.
And this is what,
Kunta Kinte and
and the the roots of the African American
people. Kunta Kinte in that that movie Roots,
he's saying Allah, Allah. So this is not
some foreign god, some god of the Arabs
or something.
And
the, the injustice that was done to the
African Americans. I mean, you had the original
the original people who came here, what was
it, like, 30, 40% were Muslim. They were
print you know, they weren't savages living on
a they were, princes and and queens and
people who were, you know, having a noble
life. They were kidnapped. They were Muslim, though.
Right? Muslim. So the African American roots anytime
I speak to an African American, whether it
be in an Uber or anywhere, I try
to point them back to their roots, you
know, which is Islam. Exactly. See, the thing
is I just had this conversation before I
left here. I was at the radio station.
I was trying to explain
to, you know,
you know, my my my people. You know
what I'm saying? As far as my ethnicity
in this country
that the true unified front
when it comes to establishing
good comes from belief.
We unite upon belief.
This is the unity amongst the Muslims,
and it's the most and it's the unity
that should be established even amongst the Muslims.
So it's not just the ethnicity thing that
takes place in America. This is something that's
widespread,
and the only way we get back to
a place of unity.
For example, Allah says in the Quran, he
says,
He said, verily, the disbelievers are allies of
one another. And if you do not do
the same, they will be fitting in the
earth and major corruption.
So this is actually the state we live
in it. So Allah made it clear that
those who disbelieve, they share commonality.
The Muslims, if you do not do the
same, the result of that will be fitting
in the earth and major corruption.
So this applies
specifically
to the believers, and also the methodology
of unification
applies generally.
So when you look at people who are
oppressed and disenfranchised in this country for over
500, 400, 500 years,
getting back to the source is what's gonna
rectify the present and the future.
So if the source and your origin
come into this country is coming from Islam
because even geographic geographically, if we looked at
those countries
where predominant
slaves were extracted, they were extracted from predominant
Muslim countries. Yes. So that means that everything
that transpired,
everything that was fed to a people
that was incorrect
or was fed to demoralize,
demean,
break down,
cause discord and splitting,
there would've never been anything that would've been
allocated that would've been of good
other than what was taken,
which was Islam. Mhmm. So, you know, this
is something that
I try
to
establish,
but I do it in the means respectfully,
and I try to use wisdom
because,
you know, Allah says, There's
no compulsion in the religion, so we can't
compel people or force people to accept Islam.
We can only articulate the truth, the benefits,
and the virtues of Islam, and you accept
it. You know what I'm saying? It's between
you and your Lord.
So we took it a little back in
history, just give a condensed version
of you coming out of that lifestyle,
having it all, you know, finding peace and
purpose in Islam, submission to the creator, not
the creation, the way of Jesus, Moses, Abraham.
And just the last, if not a message
from Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon them
all. Oh, so So this is not a
new religion. It's it's the same way of
life that was from the first man Adam
to all the messengers, and we're living here
today.
And then you're out there traveling. You're trying
to get the youth off drugs. You're trying
to share the message of peace and purpose
with humanity,
and then you get kidnapped in Brussels.
Tell us about that.
Is that right? You got kidnapped.
Absolutely. I mean, but it's by law's decree.
So you're doing good Yeah. Out there and
then,
you know, something from the bring us up
to speed. How why did you get kidnapped?
Basically,
there was
a conspiracy that took place
in 2008 with a group of individuals
who I only knew one person.
And this is prior to Islam. I wasn't
a Muslim yet. So this was me at
the very,
you know, weaning stages of leaving the music
business,
my love for the underdog.
I met a guy who was, you know,
inspiring to be an artist, and I tried
to show him a way
through the means and resources that I had.
So
in my bad judgment, he inquired about something
that at the time, you know what I'm
saying, I was knowledgeable of, but I wasn't
involved in.
So I actually did
something that became detrimental later is I introduced
him to somebody
who they had a relationship,
and a and a conspiracy revolved around their
relationship and their dealings. I was free from
the matter.
So now fast forward,
I become Muslim.
And like I said, I fled with my
religion.
Everything I did was public, so it wasn't
like I was a fugitive. I was running
from anything. Every talk I gave, including your
show, everything was transparent. Everything was visible
and obtainable.
Now when I gets to Belgium, I'm told
by Interpol I got grabbed by Interpol. I
was told that I had an indictment in
the eastern district of North Carolina
in a city called Durham, which I never
visited.
So now this is already a fishy situation.
But
fighting
to make sure my extradition
was not violated or my constitutional
rights wasn't violated. I came to, you know,
stateside, and
I was sentenced to 14 years
in prison Mhmm. You know, for conspiracy
to possess with intent to distribute a kilo
of heroin. I never saw heroin a day
in my life with Laurie Arlene.
And the individuals
who put me in a conspiracy,
I didn't have any real
dealings with these guys. You know? So So
you introduced introduced a to b?
Pretty much. And
And I became c, d, e, f all
the way to z. Uh-huh. Yeah. Simple.
So
that's interesting. When you when you look at,
we know in Islam that a person
can go towards an evil deed. Mhmm. Right?
And then they might have an intention, but
even if they don't do the evil deed
They get the reward. They get the reward.
Right?
Or,
you know, they thought about doing something. They
were about to do it again. They walked
away,
but here, you didn't even do it. Yeah.
Right? You you introduced 2 people Absolutely. Whatever
they did, and then how do you end
up going You see, the one thing I've
never done through the course of my whole
incarceration
is try to figure out the wisdom behind
what Allah had to create. Yeah. You know?
And that's
something that can definitely lead to
removing yourself
Yeah. From understanding what is clear as far
as what Allah established
of accepting his divine decree, the good of
it and the bad of it. So the
tangible evidence is what people struggle with. Yeah.
But the ultimate defining factor is that this
is from Allah's decree. So I accepted it,
and for 9 years, I was able to
increase in everything I was see searching for
prior to that. Because, you know, trying to
study in Egypt and at the same time
taking invitations, going to other places, giving talks,
it was impeding my process.
I actually learned Arabic more in prison. I
actually started to obtain more understanding of the
language,
the Quran,
you know, the books of the Ulema, and
so on and so forth in prison.
I ended up access to all that? Yeah.
Absolutely. I had maybe at one time, maybe
over 92 books. You know what I'm saying?
Maybe 80, 90% of them in Arabic and
some in English.
I've met a lot of strong brothers. You
know, a young Palestinian brother named Mohammed was
the imam in one spot. He was younger
than me. I benefited being around him. Another
brother named Hassan,
who was from Bangladesh,
younger than me, benefited from him. He was
a half a half as a Quran.
You know, I've been in positions where I've
been the imam and so on and so
forth. So it's like,
what I thought I had very little of
became more of a benefit in prison. So
then you start to understand the wisdom behind
what Allah decreed. It wasn't so much about
me being this baby who just accepted Islam.
It was that whatever I was exposed to,
taught, and learned
of tawhid
and implementation
of the understanding of Tawhid, it became a
benefit
for many people in the prison system. Yeah.
So, ultimately, this becomes
the wisdom behind
why things happen.
So if I were in another course,
then my hairline would probably be back here
stressed out, lost weight, just looking weak because
that is the sign of someone
who either rejects
because if you don't accept, you reject
the decree of Allah.
And, alhamdulillah, Allah had never placed in my
heart anything that would've made me feel
like
what he decreed for me wasn't of my
benefit.
And then there's there's supposed to be relief
in that. There's supposed to be some solace.
The relief is now. Sitting here with my
brother. That. I mean, that. This but when
you're in that situation Yeah. And you go
back on that, right,
and this is supposed to help you get
through that. Absolutely. Right? That's part of it.
Right? Because acceptance is it it takes the
the the the initial Yeah. Burden off your
shoulder. Yeah. Now moving forward, you can be
clear Yeah. Of what comes your way. You
know the hadith where the prophet said, don't
say if
I did this or that or the other.
You know? Say it's the decree of Allah.
That's right. Otherwise,
you
drive
yourself crazy. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. You
know? That's the beauty of us. We live
in our hearts. You know? The the true
believer lives in his hearts because this is
the thing that Allah targets in the Quran.
Yeah. The hearts. Mhmm. Not the intellect. You
know, we have aqa, but there's a place
for that. Yeah. But as far as our
ultimate living space is our heart. Yeah. You
have to live here. You have to reside
here in order to feel, in order to
understand, to comprehend. You know what I'm saying?
And to act with
to comprehend.
You know what I'm saying? And to act
with sound purpose, it has to come from
here.
And then you were you were kind of
entrapped. You were given some options,
but those options were like, okay. It was
like if I go down that right that
route and try to fight for this justice,
I lose. I can get life in prison.
Get life in prison. You know what I'm
saying? So now this is where the akar
comes in. Now we have to use our
intellect. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because
what Allah says in the Quran,
Do not kill yourselves. Right? Mhmm. So that
would have been me killing myself.
You know what I'm saying? Even though, alhamdulillah,
I'm innocent,
but the same token I have you know,
my family has rights.
You know what I'm saying? There's people who
Allah placed me in authority over.
My wife, my children. You know what I'm
saying? So and so forth. People who looked
at me as the provider,
which I provide from Allah's means. Right? So
with all of these things in place, you
have to make a sound decision.
You have to weigh the benefit versus the
harm. Right? So the benefit is, okay, I
take the sentence, there's daylight.
But at the same token, I take the
sentence, I make the most of the time.
And, Alhamdulillah,
Allah, you know, allowed me to return in
9 years opposed to 14. Mhmm. You know?
Went from 14, I got the 2 point
reduction, dropped me down to 11 years. And
the feds, you do 87%
or 85.5,
however you wanna so that would have been
9 years anyway. Yeah. Then I get immediate
release.
I signed for a compassionate release. I got
immediate release.
Wallahi Adeen, today is actually the day I
was supposed to get released Mhmm.
With no relief. Like, with no compassionate release,
no filing in court, anything. Today was my
outdate. I was supposed to come home
today
to get 11 months halfway house.
Was there something Trump was mentioning in all
this? Nothing to do with Nothing with Trump
and Trump. Everything to do with me utilizing
whatever rights is given to me, whatever rights
that wasn't relinquished in the course of my
incarceration,
utilizing those rights
to file for certain motions and,
I was granted
the compassionate release, and I was released immediately
Masha'allah. Right away. Hamdulillah.
Don't wait. Can't wait. Masha'allah.
And you're here with us now, alhamdulillah. Yeah.
Masha'allah. Tell us,
Islam in the prisons. Mhmm.
How was it there when you came in?
Were there a lot of Muslims there in
the prison? Yeah. Atul Yusuf.
It's the University of Yusuf alayhis salam.
Masha'allah.
So I've met some of the most,
you know,
inspiring,
influential,
and strong
Muslims because
under these circumstances,
all we have is Islam.
All we have is our brotherhood.
So when those things become the things that
remain
from everything else that the law has removed,
then you either find refuge and soulless in
that,
or you incorporate the prison culture and be
lost. Mhmm.
So I've been to 4 different institutions in
the feds and every community I went to
I'll have some benefit. I learned from brothers.
Brothers learned from me. The brotherhood, like, we
did things together. We worked out together. We
played ball together. We had a Muslim team
for this, and we stayed together. We found
ways
to always be a part of each other's
struggle,
each other's life,
each other's benefit, each other's education, so on
and so forth. And
that's something that's actually lacking in the free
world. Yeah.
How was it described to us, paint a
picture? Okay. You walk in to the,
the prison. Is it like, okay. You go
to the left, and they have this gang,
people, folks, whatever, and then you have to
start going who you're gonna click with, neutral,
and then over here, you got the Muslims.
How paint us a picture. How does it
actually, you know, work?
Well,
the thing, the command for us to seek.
Right? Uh-huh.
You seek the Muslims
upon arrival. Yeah.
So the first person that you may engage
or the first person you catch eye contact
that look like he might know something or
you're standing at me, let's start a conversation.
And they'll you know where the Muslims at?
Does he are they allowed to wear the
kufis? Absolutely. Yeah. We're allowed to wear the
kufis.
You know, we are allowed to wear a
thaw
or, you know, in
certain spots just for your
not throughout the day, but just in. They
got lockers inside the chapel that you can
change in there and wear your thawb. You
know what I'm saying? You could wear an
imam or everything,
I mean, the Muslims have fought
to preserve
some of the right to implement Islam.
Right?
So
to know that we're in a place where
we're not taking this stuff for granted,
it becomes difficult
to see brothers who have
the opportunity and the access to this stuff
neglecting it. Mhmm. You know? And I and
I just pray that Allah makes us better,
you know, increase us in that zeal and
that strength that we have when we first
knew it was upon the truth,
you know, we have to return to that,
Inshallah. How's the dawah in the prisons? How
how is it Dowah in the inmates. Did
did you have any experiences? Were you able
to share with some of the inmates there
and people actually accepted Islam? Absolutely. You know
what I'm saying? By law's permission, I never
do any accounting. You know what I'm saying?
But it was always
you know, you got time. So when someone
shows any type of inclination to Islam, you're
more than open to teach them. What else
I got to do? Like, what else I
got to go? You know what I'm saying?
And it actually strengthens your understanding
for yourself at the same time you're teaching
and inviting someone to something that's
good. And, you know, by law's permission,
I'll say this.
I've never entered
a single institution
where someone hadn't accepted Islam.
So I mean, literally, I've never been to
an institution
where someone hasn't come to me seeking Islam
and testify
that none has the right to be worshiped
with Allah and the Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah in my presence.
You know what I'm saying?
And so on and so forth. I speak
to a brother now, my good brother. His
name is Omar Sheikh.
You know what I'm saying?
And
Pakistani brother,
He's
a beautiful brother. I speak to him all
the time.
Since I've been home, he's called me,
you know, several times
telling me about people that we are familiar
with, that we were working on. Mhmm. I
said, guess who takes Shahada?
Guess who takes Shahada?
Guess who takes Shahada? It never stops. It's
like, this guy takes Shahada. Subhanallah, the guy
that is wow. Masha'allah.
Oh, guess what? Guess who takes Shahada? So
the brothers is in there calling the people
to Islam even during COVID. Like, everyone's locked
down, isolated from one another, and everybody's calling
each other to Islam. We're calling
the, you know, the non Muslim to Islam,
and we're calling the Muslims to return to
Islam. You know what I'm saying? This dawah
doesn't just
start or stop with the non Muslims. That's
what people have to understand.
The call is to also remind the Muslims
to return to Allah. Mhmm.
And then
we call the non Muslims as well to
accept,
you know, what conforms with your natural disposition.
I wanna take a minute, and I wanna
share because I'm sure this lady here used
to listen to your songs and maybe still
does. So she's very popular. I don't know
if you've heard of this woman, Candace Owens.
Have you heard of her?
Yeah. And I wanna get your reaction. She
has a
a few things to say,
and I wanna see if we can get
a message to her. But I wanna start
from the beginning here. I wanna go back
into little girl Candice, the first time that
I ever heard about Islam,
the first time that I ever heard about,
you know, Muslims in the context of a
political ideology or religion.
And that was the first memory that I
have was in 3rd grade.
And we were reading a book, and they
were saying, in this book that Muslim
being a Muslim is just like being a
Christian.
Islam is exactly like Christianity,
is exactly like Judaism,
and, we were told that the prophet Mohammed
is exactly like Jesus Christ. I believe this
as a child. I think that a lot
of Americans that are watching this can relate
to this sort of, the religion of peace.
It's just like Christianity.
Is any of that true?
So you you haven't
she's very
involved in politics now.
She's
a person who is very outspoken,
and some of these people end up
speaking sometimes out of their lane. She didn't
have here, she's talking to a person who's
actually not an imam. He's like someone who's
put out there like a he's like
a fake imam. Help us, love us. Help
us. So,
what would you say, like, to someone like
her who's probably listened to your,
music from the past or anything, but she's
mentioning something so dear to you. Right? And
she's probably got a lot of misconceptions in
her mind. If you can talk to someone
like that, what would you say to her?
Well, I would clarify
what
has already reached the
of the connection
between
the books that Allah revealed,
the messengers, you know what I'm saying, and
prophets that Allah has consent in concession
to different nations,
and that the prophet Muhammad
being the seal of all of those prophets,
and that their call
and their religion was 1.
That's the commonality. But to say that they're
the same, you know what I'm perspective and
understanding of what Islam entails. Right
Right?
And
I've ran into people like her,
and you have to have a certain
sense of concern
because, 1, for a person to even embark
on any understanding
of religion
means that they're,
you know, partially there.
You understand?
As Muslims, all we're trying to do is
get them all the way there. Mhmm. You
know what I'm saying? Without no deception.
We're not trying to deceive nobody.
We're only here to convey what is correct
so that it doesn't become a proof against
me. Yo, Mokayama, when I had to stand
before my Lord.
So to
Candice and anyone
who's inclined to Islam,
it is our obligation
to clarify
first what is the foundation is Tawhid.
So understanding tawhid would definitely
dispel any notion
that is the same as Christianity as is
practiced today
versus
the religion of Isa alaihi salaam during the
time of his messengership, which was Islam,
which was monotheism.
Same thing with Musa alayhis salaam and so
on and so forth. So, you know, we
stick to the Ulsul.
The people who ascribe themselves to the sunnah,
we stick to
the, meaning the foundation. So the foundation always
starts with.
No conversation
should start unless it starts with.
The pure monotheism. So the the so the
the connection between Jesus, Moses, Abraham, the last
and final messenger of Muhammad is that pure
monothea.
Pure monothea. Right. Tawhid. But now what people
are practicing today of Christianity, worship worshiping Jesus,
you know, people,
who say that Jesus is God, there's no
evidence to back that up. There's no there's
nothing there that Jesus ever said, I'm God.
Worship me. But but if the people look
into the true message of Jesus
and all the messengers, then that would, you
know,
guide you to the right direction. Yeah. Well,
there's certain texts that's in the Bible that
reside
today that many scholars in the past and
in present have been able to point out
where Tohi still exists
in In the
the Bible even with all its alterations In
the Bible. Yeah. Subjections,
you know, and so on and so forth
till he still remains.
So mostly when I talk to Christians who
identify with these things and accept them,
but then they find something that contradicts it
and think that they're debating.
But you're only really debating with your own
understanding. Mhmm. Because you just affirmed
that none has the right to be worshiped
with God and God alone. Yeah. Right? It's
in your first commandment, thou shall not place
no other god before me.
So we know that linguistically the word god
means object of worship.
So now the first commandment makes sense in
the Bible. Thou shall not place no other
god before me,
which is synonymous with La ilaha illa law.
La ilaha illa law. So now you affirm
that, but then out of the sake of
debating and arguing, you wanna find another verse
in the same book that contradicts that one
so the debate becomes with yourself. Yeah. You
understand?
Understand? And as Muslims, we have to use
Hikma in these matters. It just, you know,
allow
that to pass and then remain
firm upon what they affirm. You affirm that
there's only one god. There's only one creator.
There's only one facilitator,
arranger,
sustainer,
organizer
of all the affairs of creation.
We agree.
So if this
unique ability
is only deserving of 1,
then it shouldn't it be his right and
his right alone to be worshiped?
That's simplicity. Mhmm. People don't like simplicity for
some reason. Like, like, complications,
confusing, you know what I'm saying, chaos. But
I chose Islam for simplicity
because all of the distortions and everything that
I used to think became simplified
with the Kelly Martin.
And
we followed
continuously
and consistently was attached to that statement. Yeah.
That's
it never gets old. Yeah.
So someone like her or anybody else now
in the African American community, we talked about
one, what's beautiful about your life is now
if you're seeking purpose, purpose is not in,
like you said, I can go get the
gold chain. I can get the car, the
massage, and then something comes up and happens
and ruins my whole day and then another
stress. You know, I make another That's what
society tells you. You know what I'm saying?
That's not what Allah tells you. Yeah. Society
tells you that success is based upon things
you accumulate. Mhmm. Allah says success is upon
belief. Yes. Dying upon belief. Living upon belief.
Then none has the right to be worshiped
with Allah, then Muhammad
is the message of Allah, living upon that,
implementing that in your life, and dying upon
that. That's success.
Still simple. Still easy. You break it down
simple. So you have that, and then you
have the roots there, and then you have
that connection with the pure monotheism.
Do you think what have you heard these
names like DJ Khaled,
what else? Somebody Khaled very well. You know
Khaled. I just haven't spoken to him since
I've been home. Very well. Who else? Some,
what's what's the name?
French Montana. I met French
them a couple weeks ago. Couple weeks ago.
We talked. And, alhamdulillah, may Allah continue to
increase him because he's
definitely
trying to implement what is correct. So for
me, like I said, with all of these
people that you named, then we probably gonna
name. You know, first and foremost, we always
ask a lot of guide them. Amin, Amin,
Amin, Amin. Amin. Us. Purifying intentions too. So
our intentions is pure going into these things.
We're not trying to keep score. We're not
trying to keep record. We're not here to
say that I'm the shahada king and all
this type of stuff stuff for the law
of adheem, but we do this solely for
the sake of Allah, and we want good
for the people. You know what I'm saying?
Because we're supposed to be the best of
the people for the people.
So that's a responsibility.
You know what I'm saying? That if we're
gonna be the best of the people for
the people, meaning by example,
you know what I'm saying, by methodology,
by implementation of that understanding and so on
and so forth, inviting to it,
then
this obligation
doesn't rest until we see the result of
Allah. Yeah. Are you able to sit and
talk? You know, many people everybody knows Muhammad
Ali. Mhmm. Right?
And not only a legend in the ring,
but mainly what he did outside the ring.
Mhmm. But, you know, my teacher knew him
very well, one of my former teachers who
used to run
a Dawah Center, was was Muhammad Ali his
his love for this dean, for sharing? He
used to give out pamphlets
and who was Jesus and what is Islam,
and he used to actually sign his name
and that's how give he would give the
autographs.
People in this,
industry,
are you able to sit with them and
do you think how much of impact would
they have if because we get excited. You
see you see not too long ago, we
see we saw,
Mike Tyson where he was praying in public.
Yeah. We're both. Yes. Yeah. And just by
praying that prayer, people were getting so excited.
Imagine, you know, how much impact someone like
Mike Tyson or some of these, if they
really started to, you know,
change their life for the better and start
to really implement
the Tawhid,
implement Islam. Well, the thing is even whatever
it is they do that inspires, they've done
a great justice for Islam.
See, the thing is, like the prophet said,
seeking knowledge is obligatory
upon every Muslim.
So when we see the things that inspire
us to wanna learn more,
we have to take those inspirations,
right,
Attach them to our heart,
and then we have to strive to increase
in that which is good. Because what happens
is for the ones who do choose to
implement seeking knowledge, we wanna put the burden
solely on their shoulders. You know, go ask
the imam. Go ask me. Ask the imam.
You know what? Go on YouTube. Pull up
such and such and such. This becomes
a a lackadaisical
effort of establishing
what you may already know.
You know, you can't demote your value because
you only know just the clues. You know
what I'm saying? You only know the the
last three surahs in the Quran. Yeah.
You know something.
You know what I'm saying? And you have
to teach that.
Even if you only know Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem.
You have to teach that. And every Muslim
need to understand this obligation
and not
assume
that the burden is just those who seek
knowledge. It's yours as well. So when you're
frequenting amongst, you know what I'm saying, Muslims
or even the non Muslims,
Every time an opportunity presents itself, you're supposed
to seize that opportunity
to teach.
Because when you do that, it becomes a
defining factor of what your presence is gonna
be around those people.
Islam would choose your friends for you.
Because if every time I speak about Islam,
I stop playing ball and go pray and
I do all these things, you know what
happens? You either gonna continue picking me to
play basketball because you respect the fact that
I stopped to do these things, or you're
gonna distance yourself from me.
So I didn't have to make the choice.
Islam made the choice for me. You understand?
Oh, I gotta go. I gotta go out
there. I gotta pray. Oh, man. I you
always gotta pray. I used to go do
this prison sometimes. Yeah. Come on. I'm gonna
stop picking you, man, because you always got
well, listen. While you're playing ball, you hear
you. Yeah. Stop. There you go. That's a
great great example. Exactly. So the point of
the matter is this obligation is not just
mine's. It's not just yours.
It's everybody's.
It's every Muslim's
obligation to teach what you know.
Because if you know Islam and the truth,
it doesn't matter about your shortcomings.
Doesn't matter about your deficiencies or your flaws.
The obligation still remains. If you know Aleph
Bat Tach, teach it. You know Bismillah rachmanur
Rahim, you teach it. All you know is
al Fatiha, you teach it. If all you
know is the touch of her, whatever it
is,
your obligation to teach it remains until you
reach until you meet your lord.
So we have to stop abandoning that obligation.
And this is for everybody. This is this
is for the names we mentioned, we didn't
mention for for everybody. This is just our
Umummmin.
Yes.
Every believer.
Yes.
We know this is this is this is
what we're here for. Yeah.
Well, let's, we'll end with that. It's beautiful
to see you, man. Beautiful to see you
too as well. May Allah bless you. Where
could people, if they wanna get in touch,
you know, look up at you got some
documentary coming out, I heard? I'm working on
a documentary so I can actually put to
the side all of the questions about all
of the transitions. I feel like if I
share that one time,
I can place those things behind me. And
then if I'm invited to speak, you know,
the questions would be relevant to which you've
already saw or which you've learned about me.
I have a book also I'm trying to,
you know, release,
and I'm just
pretty much in the same place I left.
You know? I love Islam.
I love the Muslims,
And anything that I can do to contribute
to the success of the believers
in this life,
I'm a do what I can.
You're gonna be in,
visiting Boda Jack soon?
Inshallah. I spoke to him. I wanna go
out there and visit him while they're in
the training camp because
I don't think the fights wanna have an
audience. And I wanna meet Mike again too.
I ain't seen Mike in years. You know?
Inshallah, you can lead them in prayer again
this time. Inshallah. Yeah.
And, we can get you on the he
can get you on the Mike is the
elder, so he has the nickname. He's the
elder, mate. Yeah.
And don't forget, if you see Mike, tell
him to tune in to the Deen Show.
Okay. Beautiful,
brother.
That was our brother formerly known as Loon
from Bad Boy Records. That's in the past.
He's got a new page in life
where he left
that old life that didn't bring him peace,
solace, and happiness.
And he had all the finer things in
life,
there's nothing wrong with enjoying some of the
finer things in life. But if it's built
on that, like he was saying, that tahid,
that pure monotheism, and that leads you to
your purpose and via be Candace Owens, via
be dj Khalid, Mike Tyson, via b whoever's
up, p ditty, Sean, John, whoever the case.
I mean,
to get to that, it starts with something
very basic and simple. It's actually on my
shirt.
Guide me, guide me, guide me. If you're
at a bus stop and you wanted to
get from point a to point b, you
didn't have a map, you'd ask
someone for guidance. How do I get here?
How do I get there? But what about
what's my objective in this life? Why am
I here in this world? What am I
living for? Is it just the dollars? Is
it just for fame? Is it just for
popularity?
I'm gonna be held accountable when I leave
this life. He realized that. Our brother realized
that, and he looked behind the hype, and
he found
everything based on evidence and proof in Islam.
He's living it. Islam, that complete
submission and surrender to the creator of the
heavens and the earth just like Jesus, Moses,
Abraham, and all the other messengers. They submitted
not to themselves, not to the dollar, not
to fame, not to popularity,
but they called humanity and they did it
themselves.
They submitted to the one God, the one
creator. We say Allah and the last and
final messenger of the prophet Muhammad, peace and
blessings be upon him. He brought the evidence
and everything you need to know that he
was a messenger and that Islam is the
truth, and it's all found in the Quran.
Read the Quran and do the homework.
Do the homework because this life is short.
I love talking to people like this who've
experienced all that. They've climbed up the ladder,
and every step they took up higher and
higher, it didn't really find. They didn't really
find
what you think you're gonna find when you
get up there. They were already up there.
You don't find that peace and silence
submitting to the creation, submitting to your desires.
You find it submitting to your creator because
truly in the remembrance of God Almighty Allah
do the hearts find rest. So
we end with that.
Guide me, guide me, guide me. That's the
homework. Do what he did. Do what we're
supposed to be doing, asking the creator of
the heavens and the earth alone, God Almighty
Allah, for guidance,
and he will, if you're earnestly seeking, facilitate
a way. Thank you for tuning in to
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