Ali Ataie – Who Is Christ in the Muslim Tradition

Ali Ataie
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The speakers discuss the historical credibility of Jesus as a straight path, with Jesus being a teacher and reviser of the law of Moses, a messiah, and a straight path. They stress the importance of establishing the centrality of Jesus's teachings and provide examples of the tension between the church and the world. They also discuss the importance of love and understanding one's own abilities, with a focus on the holy Bible's origin and its significance in the world. The discussion also touches on Christian positions and their implications for the teachings of Jesus, including the JFK assassination and the Zapruder video.
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Peace be upon all of you. Thank you,

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reverend Andy, for that very thorough,

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introduction

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to, Jesus and the Christian tradition.

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I'll I'll just get to it. So

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who is,

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Jesus Christ, the son of Mary, Isa ibn

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Maryam, peace be upon both of them? Of

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course, here we have, the temple mount, the

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masjid Qubas of Sakhra. They're done with the

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rock,

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the western wall there.

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So just begin by quoting some verses from

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the Quran in translation.

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This is from the 3rd chapter of the

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Quran,

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starting at verse 42.

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And remember when the angel said, oh, Mary,

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surely God has chosen you, purified you, chosen

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you above the women of all nations.

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Oh, Mary, be devout to your lord and

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prostrate yourself and bow down with those who

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bow down.

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This is the news of the unseen that

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we reveal to you, o Muhammad,

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sallallahu alaihi sallam. You were not with them

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when they cast lots to decide who would

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be, Mary's guardian,

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nor were you there when they argued about

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it.

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Remember when the angels proclaimed,

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oh, Mary, God gives you glad tidings, of

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a word from him. His name will be

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the messiah,

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Jesus, son of Mary,

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honored in this world and the hereafter,

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and he will be one of those nearest

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to God.

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Continues,

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and he will speak to people in the

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cradle and in adulthood

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and will be one of the righteous.

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Mary wondered, my lord, how can I have

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a child when no man has touched me?

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The angel replied,

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so will it be, God creates what he

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wills.

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When he decrees a matter,

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he simply says to it be and it

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is.

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And God will teach him, I e Jesus,

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peace be upon him, revelation and wisdom,

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the Torah and the gospel,

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and make him a messenger

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to the children of Israel to proclaim,

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I have come to you with a sign

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from your lord. I will make for you

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a bird from clay. Breathe into it, and

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it will become a real bird by god's

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leaf.

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I I will heal the blind and the

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leper and raise the dead to life by

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God's will

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or God's leave. And I will prophesize what

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you eat and store in your houses. Surely,

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and this is a sign for you, if

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you truly believe.

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He continues,

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and I will confirm the Torah revealed before

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me and legalize some of what had been

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forbidden to you.

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I have come to you with a sign

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from your lord, so be mindful of God

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and obey me.

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Surely God is my Lord and your Lord,

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so worship Him alone.

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This is the straight path.

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And now we jump to chapter 61

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verse 6. And remember when Jesus, son of

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Mary, said, oh, children of Israel,

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I am truly God's messenger to you,

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confirming the Torah which came before me,

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and giving good news of a messenger after

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me whose name will be Ahmed,

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the most praised, which is one of the

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names of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon

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him.

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Yet when,

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yet when he came to them with clear

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proofs, they said,

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this is pure sorcery.

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Okay. So

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according to the Quran,

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Jesus, peace be upon him,

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was a great prophet of God,

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a a great nabi or nabi.

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These languages are very close, Hebrew and Arabic,

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a great messenger of God, a Rasul.

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He's called the Messiah,

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Al Masih,

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Mashiach.

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He was born from a virgin.

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He was the worker of miracles, the ibnillah,

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by the permission of God.

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He is a great teacher and reviser

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of the Torah.

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He is the predecessor

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of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

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Jesus was a spiritual master,

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bringer of the gospel, which is called an

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Injeel

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in Arabic.

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And he's a human being in all respects.

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He's not divine.

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Interestingly, according to most historians,

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the historical Jesus was, most plausibly,

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a self proclaimed prophet. And I say self

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proclaimed because secular historians, they don't entertain the

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supernatural

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in their method of historiography.

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Right? It doesn't mean that they denied the

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supernatural, but that's not how modern secular

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history has done. So they're not going to

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say he was a prophet, but what did

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he actually claim historically? Okay. So he was

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a self proclaimed prophet. This is probably what

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he claimed.

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He claimed

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probably to be some sort of messiah.

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He claimed to be a teacher and reviser

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of the law of Moses. In other words,

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he was a rabbi.

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He claimed to be some sort of healer.

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He claimed to be a teacher of great

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spirituality.

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He claimed to be the announcer of someone

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after him.

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So in the synoptic tradition, the bar Inas,

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the son of man,

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who come to earth and set up his

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kingdom and defeat the 4th beast.

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In the gospel of John, the Johannine gospel,

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the

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Paraclete,

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someone to come after him, will guide you

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into all truth,

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and someone who did not claim to be

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divine.

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This is what most historians will say

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about the historical Jesus of Nazareth,

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peace be upon him.

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The Christology of the and interestingly, going back

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to this, it's interesting the,

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position of the historians

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regarding the historical Jesus is very close

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to Islamic Christology

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as to what the Quran says Jesus claimed

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to be.

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The Christology of the Quran. So what's really

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important is to establish what's known as the

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central theological consistency.

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Okay. So for example, in the Torah, it

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says

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in Hebrew.

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God is not a man

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that he should lie. And the meaning of

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this, according to Rabbi Abahu of Caesarea,

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is that whoever claims to be God, any

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man who claims to be God is a

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liar.

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Hosea 119, Indeed I am God

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and not a man.

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Every man is put to death

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for his own sin,

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Deuteronomy

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247.

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Look at Ezekiel chapter 18, a long

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sustained argument

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for personal responsibility.

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The sin of the father does not pass

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to the son. The sin of the son

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does not pass to the father. But if

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the wicked should turn from his wickedness and

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do that which is lawful and right, he

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shall surely live. He shall not die.

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What does it mean to turn, to shuvah,

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toba, right? To literally turn your body or

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to reorient yourself

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to God, to repent to God.

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This is the way to become right with

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God,

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through repentance.

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Whoever is hanged on a tree is accursed

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by God,

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Deuteronomy 21

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23.

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Do not drink blood,

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a hukaf

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olam, an everlasting statute among your generations.

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Leviticus 3 17.

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Here, O Israel, the Lord our God, the

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Lord is 1.

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1 means 1.

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Here, O Israel, the Lord our God this

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is called the Shema.

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Right? And this is actually quoted by the

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New Testament Jesus at one point. It's only

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in one gospel.

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And Matthew and Luke had access to Mark,

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but they did not choose to include this

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in their gospel, where Jesus quotes this verbatim.

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Hear Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord

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is 1. And he

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continues,

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He shall love the Lord thy God with

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all thy heart, soul, and strength.

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Love your neighbor as yourself.

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These are the greatest commandments.

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Rabbi Hillel, some say Akiva,

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was asked, what is the Torah in a

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nutshell?

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And he said, Deuteronomy 64,

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Deuteronomy 65, Leviticus 1918. God is 1. Love

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God, love your neighbor, everything else is commentary.

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Not that it's not important, he's a rabbi.

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But this is the essence.

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Human sacrifice

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is evil, many places.

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Blood is not necessary

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for the forgiveness of sin.

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Psalm 51, 2nd chronicles, chapter 7.

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And the last one here, for I know

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that God saves his messiah.

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He shall hear him from his holy heaven

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with the saving power of his right hand.

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David writes

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Psalm 20 verse 6. God saves his messiah.

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I'll come back to this verse. So we

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have to establish

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this consistency

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with the revelation given to Moses and the

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Hebrew prophets

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and what is given to the prophet Muhammad

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sallallahu alaihi wasallam to establish his bona fides,

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as it were, as a true prophet of

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god.

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The Christology of the Quran,

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a restoration of Jamesonian

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Nazareanism,

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The Nazarenes under James the Just,

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which reflected the original teachings

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of Jesus the Nazarene, Yeshu ahnudzri.

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And his original followers who were called the

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Nazarenes, nudzriim.

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Here's a verse from the Quran, O believers,

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stand up for God as Jesus, son of

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Mary asked the disciples,

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who will stand up with me for God?

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The disciples replied, we will stand up for

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God.

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Then a group of the children of Israel

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believed,

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while another disbelieved.

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We then supported the believers against our enemies,

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so they prevailed, 6114.

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So this verse, according to our classical exigence,

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indicates that within the children of Israel,

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there was a division.

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And the word used in Arabic is

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and means a group but it could also

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mean one man.

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So this verse seems to indicate this Paul

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versus James paradigm.

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Paul versus James, this is an early split

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in the early 1st century of the common

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era among Christians, Jewish Christians,

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early Nazarenes.

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This is mentioned everywhere. FC Bauer mentions this.

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Robert Eisenman, you can read him. James Taber,

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Bart Ehrman,

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many others.

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This tension is seen in the new testament.

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In Galatians chapter 2,

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men from James

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are Paul's opponents,

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Men sent from James.

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In 2nd Corinthians chapter 3,

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the Corinthians demanded Paul to produce something called

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the letter of authorization.

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Where is your letter letter of authorization?

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What does that mean?

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Well, presumably, he needs a teaching license

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from James.

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Right? Because everyone answers to James, even in

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the book of Acts,

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everyone answers to James. If you're not authorized

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by James, this in Arabic is called an

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ijazah,

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if you don't have a teaching license, then

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you're a freelance apostle

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and you don't have any authority.

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Okay? So the Corinthians are demanding from Paul

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of Tarsus

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to produce this letter of authorization.

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Interesting in the gospel of Thomas,

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which is sometimes labeled a gnostic gospel, which

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gnostic does not have a good connotation in

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Christianity. In in in Islam, it's a good

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thing. An arif billah is a good an

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arifah is beautiful.

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Right? In Christianity, a gnostic is a deviant.

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Right?

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But there's other studies on the gospel of

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Thomas

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that reveal it to be just as gnostic

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as the gospel of John. This is eternal

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life to know you. Ginosko is the verb

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in Greek. To know you, the only true

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God. That sounds very gnostic. That's John

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17:3.

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Right?

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So other scholars say, no. The gospel of

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Thomas, which is very interesting, is a sayings

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gospel, a 114 sayings of Jesus. There's no

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narrative.

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Right? Jesus said, Jesus said, Jesus said.

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Logion number 12.

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When I am gone, you must go to

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James the just,

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for whose sake heaven and earth came into

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being.

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And this is a way of saying

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that James the just

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is the one man on earth who has

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the truth from me. He has the he

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has the correct, yachiduth tohid, he has the

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oneness of God and you must report to

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him.

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A hyperbolic praise of James.

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Who is James?

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The brother of Jesus,

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the head of the Nazarene Messianic Movement for

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30 years.

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A lot of people haven't even heard of

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James.

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James is not even mentioned in the gospels

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by most accounts. James the less is not

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a disciple.

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The disciple mentioned in in the 4 gospels,

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that's not James, the brother of Jesus.

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It seems like he's been sort of systematically

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written out of the gospels.

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The head of the early messianic movement for

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30 years.

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Yet none of the writings of the New

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Testament were authentically written by James,

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according to the vast majority of critical scholars,

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including the epistle of James. This is considered

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to be pseudonymous

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according to the vast majority of critical scholars.

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James did not write

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this.

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Who is the principal author of the New

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Testament? Paul of Tarsus.

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7 of the books of the 27 books,

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almost by consensus of historians, was written by

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the historical Paul of Tarsus. Another 6 are

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written in his name, that is to say,

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pseudonymous, that is to say someone is pretending

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to be Paul,

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and the book of Hebrews was attributed to

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him,

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but is actually anonymous.

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So Paul is the principal author of the

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New Testament. Who wrote the 4 gospels? The

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4 gospels were not called Matthew, Mark, Luke,

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and John until Irenaeus

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in the year 180 of the common era,

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Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. So these books

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are anonymous. They're written by Pauline Christians,

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Paul's Christology,

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Paul's gospel, he says, and Paul calls it

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my gospel.

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Evangelio Mu, that's what he says. My gospel,

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right, is all over the 4 gospels.

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What is the q source document?

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This is very interesting.

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So according to the vast majority of New

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Testament scholars,

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when Matthew and Luke are sitting at their

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desks,

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they have 2 things in front of them,

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at least 2. They have the gospel of

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Mark because they had word for word, verbatim

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agreement with Mark in many places. Sometimes they

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edit Mark.

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Right?

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But they also have agreement among themselves, Luke

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and Matthew,

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that is not in Mark.

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Word for word, verbatim in many cases,

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that means they have something else on their

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desk.

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And this is called q.

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Verkola in German. The unknown. Sometimes this is

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called the sayings gospel.

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Doctor Dennis McDonald, he calls it the first

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gospel,

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the original gospel.

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What does Kyuh say about the crucifixion?

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Well, to quote John Dominic Crossan,

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imminent new testament historian,

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there is is a direct quote. There's nothing,

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nothing, nothing

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in the gospel according to Q about the

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crucifixion

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of Jesus

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or the resurrection of Jesus.

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Thus, according to historians,

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the earliest known source of the gospels what

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do I mean early earliest known source? Q,

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according to most gospels, predates Paul.

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It's pre Pauline.

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The 4 gospels, if you if you open

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a New Testament, you'll see

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gospel of Matthew. That's the canonical order. That's

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not the chronological order.

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Paul wrote all of his letters, and they

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were well circulated

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before Mark wrote his gospel, the first gospel.

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Paul is writing in the late forties, early

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fifties, late fifties, early sixties.

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Mark is in 70 or so.

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This is a dominant opinion.

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But q, according to most scholars, maybe it

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had various strata of of authorship,

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but q in its original

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authorship

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is pre Pauline.

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Some even put it in the forties

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and reflects an authentic Jamesonian Christianity.

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So that's what I say. According to historians,

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the earliest known source of the gospels

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says nothing, nothing, nothing

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about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus.

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So I would say there's 3 stages of

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Christological

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conflict between proto Islam

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or Islam.

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And so we believe that the religion, the

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actual

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religion of Jesus and the disciples,

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was Islam in the sense that they were

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submitters unto God.

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Right? Just as Moses was a submitter unto

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God and Abraham was a submitter unto God,

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a monotheist,

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Islam does not mean necessarily

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a Muslim does not mean necessarily

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strictly a follower of the prophet Muhammad salallahu

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alayhi sallam.

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We're not Mohammed Din.

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Right? Islam, in its perfect and pristine and

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latest form, came to us through the prophet

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Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam. But all of these

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prophets are Muslim prophets.

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So that's why I'm saying here proto Islam

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Islam

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and Christianity.

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Right? Whoever does the will of my father.

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You know that saying in the gospel of

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Mark. Say, Jesus, your mother and brother are

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here. Who is my mother and brother? Whoever

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does the will of my father,

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that is my mother and my brother. Whoever

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submits his will, that's called a Muslim.

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So you have these three stages of conflict,

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Christological conflict, early, post apostolic, and modern. The

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early stage, the earliest stage,

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Jamesonian

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Nazarenes versus Pauline Nazarenes.

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This is in the 1st century. This is

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presented very vividly

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in Galatians, in 1st and second Corinthians.

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Right? Paul has these enemies,

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and he doesn't like them at all.

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And these aren't like pagans.

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Well, he doesn't like the pagans.

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And these aren't just Jews. He doesn't like

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them that don't believe in Jesus.

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Right? But these are other Christians. These are

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his primary opponents,

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are other Christians.

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This conflict is very downplayed in the book

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of Acts because Acts is trying to smooth

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things over a little bit.

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So when you read Acts and you listen

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to a sermon of Peter and Paul, it's

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almost like the same person.

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And in fact, it is the same person.

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It's Luke writing it. Luke is the actual

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author of whoever wrote the gospel of Luke

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wrote the Acts of the Apostles.

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And the Quran alludes to it in that

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verse I read

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of 2, the James the James Paul Pauline

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paradigm. And then you have the post apostolic

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stage. So this is called Ebionism versus proto

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orthodoxy or orthodoxy.

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So who are the Ebionites?

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So the 2nd century saw this emergence of

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a group called the Ebionites,

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evyonim,

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right, which means the poor people.

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Now this is a derogatory term that was

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invented for them by proto orthodox Christians,

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right, like Origen of Alexandria and others, who

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said these people, they have a very poor

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Christology. They don't even worship Jesus. They don't

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believe he's divine.

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These are Mesakim

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theologically.

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They're so poor.

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They didn't call themselves Ebionites.

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Right? These are Nazarenes.

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These are Jamesonian Nazarenes.

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So you have these Ebionites

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versus proto orthodox to the 2nd century to

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the 7th century.

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So we see that tension in the polemical

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writings of the patristic fathers.

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Right?

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Justin Martyr,

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Irenaeus of Gaul, Clement of Alexandria,

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the

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Panorion,

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who is it?

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Epiphanius of Salamis, etcetera, etcetera.

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And then you have the modern stage. Oh,

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as well as the the so called pseudo

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the, Clementine literature. So in the second, 3rd

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century, you have this literature that comes out,

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that's attributed

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to the,

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Jewish Christians who are anti Pauline. This was

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written later, but it sort of reflects

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their positions. So they considered Paul, for example,

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to be an apostate

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rather than an apostle,

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idolater. They believed Jesus was a human being,

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that he was some sort of prophet

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messiah.

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And then the modern stage, Islamic Unitarianism,

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or what we might say

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versus Christian Trinitarianism,

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so 7th century to the present.

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So according to people like Robert Eisenman, who,

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James Taber, these are imminent new testament scholars,

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there's a clear trajectory

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of Christology

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that starts with Jesus of Nazareth, peace be

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upon him, and moves to his brother James,

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and goes from

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the Jamesonian Nazarenes to the Ebionites

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to Islam.

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This is a clear trajectory. And, of course,

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Robert Eisenman, who's an atheist,

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right, he can't just say, well, the prophet

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Muhammad, peace be upon him, he restored the

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gospel through revelation. He can't say that because

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he's an atheist or he's trying to be

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secular.

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So he says, well, there must have been

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some Ebonites hiding in caves in in Mecca,

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going to a cave, and here's an Ebonite.

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Hey. How are you doing? And he's, you

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know, taking notes from this Ebonite.

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And so that's how he came up with

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this. That's how he knew it.

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So then there's a clear line of trajectory

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then

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from Paul,

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right, to the proto orthodox fathers,

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to the

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ecumenical church councils, Council of Nicaea,

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where, the Son of God officially becomes,

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God the Son. And then in 381 at

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Constantinople, the Holy Spirit is now the 3rd

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person officially, of the trinity,

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etcetera,

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etcetera.

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Ah,

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messiah wasn't crucified. So this is the verse

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I promised I'd come back to.

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Psalm 20 verse 6,

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What I underlined there says,

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God saves his messiah.

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Messiah.

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This is in the Hebrew, mashiach.

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The Quran says, and on account of their

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some of the Jews denial of their saying

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against Mary, a great slander,

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and they're

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saying, we have surely killed the messiah. And,

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of course, they're saying this in mockery, this

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so called messiah. Jesus, son of Mary, the

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so called messenger of god, And then God

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says, in fact, they did not kill him

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nor did they crucify him, but it appeared

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to them as if they had. So this

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is a major point of contention between

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Christians, at least traditional Christianity,

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and traditional Islam.

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And indeed, those who differed over him, meaning

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Jesus,

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are in doubt about it. They have no

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knowledge of it, just following conjecture.

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And certainly, they did not kill him. So

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I just reproduce here a page from the

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Strong's Concordance. You know, if you read it

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in a bible in English, you read the

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old testament, you'll come across the name, Jeshua.

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Right? You heard this name before? Jeshua. And

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you get to the New Testament,

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you see the name Jesus.

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You know these two names are exactly the

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same.

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Jesus' name is Jeshua, but for some reason,

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in the English

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Bibles, he's called Jesus.

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But the same name in Hebrew, Yeshua,

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in the Old Testament is Jeshua.

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So up here, on the top, it says

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Yeshua, this is the name of Jesus.

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Means like Josh.

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Right? And if you look down at the

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bottom, the meaning is

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he is saved.

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This is the meaning of the name Jesus.

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He is saved. And the names of prophets

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have significance.

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Avraham,

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right?

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The father of nations.

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The Ab,

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Av, the father of all nations.

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Right? Moshe.

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Moshe is actually not Hebrew.

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Moshe according to most historians is an Egyptian

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name.

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Moz,

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like

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Ahmose, in Egyptian name, one of the pharaohs

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named Ahmose,

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born of Ah,

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the moon god.

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Tutmose,

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Tutmoses,

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born of Thoth, the god of magic.

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Ramoses,

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Ramzes,

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born of Ra,

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but just Moses.

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So when he was found in the Nile

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by the family of pharaoh, they knew he

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was an Israelite, they don't know the name

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of his God. He's just born of someone.

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We don't know who, he's Abed something,

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right?

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Abed someone.

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We don't know the name of his God.

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So that verse said, just following conjecture about

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the crucifixion.

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So the crucifixion

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is not in the pre Pauline q gospel.

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That's something very interesting.

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You know how I said Matthew and Luke

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have something have the q source on their

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desk, along with Mark?

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We can piece together the contents of q

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even though it's not extant. How do we

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do that? Well, you look at Matthew and

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Luke and whatever they have in common that

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is missing from Mark and not unique to

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their own gospel, they took that from q.

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If you look at all this q material,

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you will be hard pressed

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to find anything that contradicts Islamic theology.

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You'll be very hard pressed.

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So q is pre Pauline.

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There's no passion narrative.

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There's no passion prediction

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in Q.

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There's no passion narrative, there's no passion prediction

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in the gospel of Thomas. The gospel of

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Thomas written around the time of the gospel

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of John. John is a canonical gospel.

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Some say even earlier than John. Some say

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Thomas has different strata.

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It's just as gnostic as John's gospel. There

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was a very strong opinion that John's gospel

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was actually written by a gnostic,

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and some of the early church fathers rejected

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it.

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The crucifixion has no extant witnesses,

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no extant eyewitness reports,

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according to a near consensus of historians. So

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when this verse was revealed about Jesus in

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the Quran, in the year

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625

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or something of the common era,

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They did not kill him nor did they

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crucify Jesus.

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Okay?

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And that those who differ therein are following

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dun. Dun means conjecture, like guesswork or hearsay.

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At that time, I can imagine the Christians

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and the Jews coming to the prophet Mohammed

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and saying, what what do you what do

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you mean? They have Matthew's gospel. Matthew is

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a disciple,

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and he's writing about the crucifixion.

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John is a disciple,

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and he wrote about the crucifixion.

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Well,

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as studies of the new testament progressed

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in the 18th century,

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19th century,

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today, there's almost a near consensus that these

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books are anonymous,

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that these books are attributed to these 4

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men,

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right, who did not write them.

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These books are anonymous. They're not written by

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disciples. They're not written by eyewitnesses. They're not

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written by,

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disciples of eyewitnesses.

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So we have no extant eyewitness reports,

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according to a near consensus of historians,

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of anyone who saw the crucifixion, so called

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crucifixion

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of Jesus of Nazareth. The crucifixion was a

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major cause of dissension.

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Paul uses the word Eris. Eris is the

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Greek god of strife

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In Galatians chapter 1, Galatians is what Paul

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is really thinking. Like in Romans, he's kind

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of, you know, holding back a little bit

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and he's being more philosophical.

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When in Galatians, you know, towards the end

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of Galatians, he said, now write this down

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in big bold letters. He says that to

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his scribe. Right?

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This is what I really think.

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So, Galatians 3:1, Oh, stupid Galatians, who has

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bewitched you? This is how he says it.

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Who has bewitched you

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that you now follow a different gospel?

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There's

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another gospel?

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And then,

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another Jesus?

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Didn't I clearly portray him as crucified before

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your eyes?

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Didn't I clearly portray Him as crucified?

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You see the problem with Paul is we

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only have one side of the phone conversation.

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You ever hear, like, someone talking on the

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phone? You can hear what this guy is

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saying, but what's that guy saying?

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You don't know.

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What do you think Paul is responding you

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to here? It seems like he's responding to

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Christians in Galatia who denied the crucifixion. Well,

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how did they where did they get that

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idea from? Well, according to FC Bauer,

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the imminent new testament scholar, when Paul went

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to Galatia and evangelized them with his gospel,

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again, he calls it my gospel,

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and he leaves, James sends men

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into Galatia to correct Paul's gospel.

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This is standard exegesis. You can read this

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F. C. Bauer.

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And so it seems like the Galatians are

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getting this idea that Jesus wasn't crucified

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from James himself.

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When I am gone, wherever you are, go

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to James the just, You Apu Fazadik,

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for whose for whose sake heaven and earth

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came into being.

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The crucifixion was first mentioned by Paul

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who claimed to have received his gospel via

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direct revelation, not from the disciples. He's very

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adamant about this.

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Right? So his so called creed in 1st

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Corinthians 15, he actually you have to read

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that in this sort

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of scheme of his entire corpus where he

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says in Galatians, I received this gospel from

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no man.

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It was it was taught directly to me

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by revelation of Jesus Christ.

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The crucifixion is something that we don't know

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for certain what the actual disciples believed

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about They likely believed in, as Paul says,

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another gospel, another Jesus

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compared to Paul's gospel

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The crucifixion is mentioned in the gospels,

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but many events in the gospel passion narratives

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are highly implausible historically, either fictitious, symbolic, or

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mimetic of Hellenistic literature. I can give you

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many, many examples of this.

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Many, many examples.

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A midnight trial in the Sanhedrin.

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Jesus being tried in the house of the

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high priest.

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This is completely against Jewish law.

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You see, well, they made an exception. Okay,

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but that's implausible.

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That's not plausible.

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Who betrayed Jesus?

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Judas.

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Right? What is who? Judas Iscariot.

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Yehuda Ishkarioth.

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Oh, how convenient. A Jew from the cities.

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You know, you know, these

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these country bumpkin disciples of his who can't

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read or write, these fishermen,

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swindled

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by a city slicking Jew.

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This seems to be an anti Jewish trope.

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Is this historical?

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Simon of Cyrene carrying the cross of Jesus,

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following Jesus.

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Take up your cross and follow me, Simon.

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Simon is Peter, he can do it, but

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this Simon can do it.

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Many examples of this.

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The Pascal pardon.

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The way that Pontius Pilate is

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is,

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described in the gospels,

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clashes

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severely with how Philo of Alexandria

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describes him. Other historians, the way they describe

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Pontius Pilate, would not have a second of

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compunction

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in swatting any Jewish rebel.

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He was absolutely ruthless.

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Yet you have him

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Bring out the 2 Jesuses. They're both Jesus,

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by the way.

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Jesus Bara Abba. Yeshuah Bara Abba.

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Yeshuah Hanutzri.

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Who shall I release unto you?

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A Pascal pardon.

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You know, trying to release him. This is

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completely against

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the

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description of Pilate and other sources outside the

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New Testament. Is highly implausible.

00:32:06 --> 00:32:09

Maybe Jesus just had that effect on people

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and he probably did. But, historically, this is

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highly implausible.

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And there's other examples.

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Oh, the useful

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the JFK assassination is a useful example. Because

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the charge that Muslims get all the time

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is, you guys are denying a historical fact.

00:32:25 --> 00:32:26

Jesus of Nazareth was crucified.

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It's a historical fact.

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Interestingly,

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you know,

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the JFK assassination,

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okay, happened 50 years ago

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in broad daylight

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with video cameras,

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eyewitnesses.

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And to this day, we still don't know

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exactly what happened.

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You told me 2000 years ago, we know

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exactly what happened to someone. No eyewitnesses. No

00:32:49 --> 00:32:50

technology. Nothing.

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You know exactly what happened. No. You don't.

00:32:53 --> 00:32:54

You know what happened.

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And if you read these sources,

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if you look at these sources, the context

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behind these sources, you'll see that there's massive

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eris. Paul calls eris,

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strife, major strife about the crucifixion.

00:33:07 --> 00:33:09

Not just what it means, did he die

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for our sins, or do we have to

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follow

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the halakah,

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Can we be

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Ben Noach? No, no, no, no. Did this

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thing actually happen? Didn't I portray him as

00:33:18 --> 00:33:18

crucified?

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Who portrayed him otherwise? That's the subtext.

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And then in 1975,

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you have the Zapruder video. Remember this thing?

00:33:28 --> 00:33:31

Zapruder, Abraham Zapruder video. So everyone believed it

00:33:31 --> 00:33:33

was Lee Harvey Oswald, right, until 1975.

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And here comes this video

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13 years 12 years later that shows Kennedy

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sitting in his motorcade, and then as Jim

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Garrison used to say, the bullet comes and

00:33:42 --> 00:33:44

he goes back into the left. Oh, okay.

00:33:44 --> 00:33:46

The bullet's coming from here. He's going this

00:33:46 --> 00:33:47

way.

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Now nothing is conclusive.

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But like this Quranic ayah, this verse is

00:33:52 --> 00:33:54

like that Zapruder video. The Qur'an is saying

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they followed conjecture.

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They go back and look at the sources.

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These are not written by eyewitnesses.

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We have to think about this. But historians

00:34:02 --> 00:34:04

are dragging their feet on this issue.

00:34:05 --> 00:34:07

They need to reassess the evidence here.

00:34:09 --> 00:34:10

You know, they don't want to look at

00:34:10 --> 00:34:12

some Muslim source. There's a little bit of

00:34:12 --> 00:34:13

bias, I

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think, especially with the orientalists and neo orientalists.

00:34:16 --> 00:34:17

Anyway.

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So the Christological

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middle way. There's a verse from the Quran.

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Oh, people of the Bible,

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People of the Revelation. Kitab, right, could mean

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Bible. And the Bible means book. Kitab means

00:34:30 --> 00:34:30

book.

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Do not in this and in this, sorry,

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in this verse,

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the Jews and Christians are being directly addressed

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according to the context.

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Do not go to extremes in your religion

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and do not say about God except the

00:34:43 --> 00:34:43

truth.

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The messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is indeed

00:34:48 --> 00:34:49

nothing but God's messenger and his word that

00:34:49 --> 00:34:51

he cast a Mary and a spirit from

00:34:51 --> 00:34:53

him. So believe in God and his messengers

00:34:53 --> 00:34:55

and do not say 3. Now interesting here,

00:34:55 --> 00:34:56

the Quran is.

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Just don't say 3. So any type of

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3. The Quran is not saying, don't say

00:35:02 --> 00:35:04

3 persons, don't say 3

00:35:05 --> 00:35:07

beings, don't say father, son, holy spirit, don't

00:35:07 --> 00:35:08

say father, son,

00:35:08 --> 00:35:10

mother. Just don't say 3.

00:35:14 --> 00:35:16

For your God is 1. Highly exalted to

00:35:16 --> 00:35:18

see that they should have a son. And

00:35:18 --> 00:35:20

again, son here. Okay, let me explain this.

00:35:21 --> 00:35:21

Okay.

00:35:22 --> 00:35:24

Imam Al Ghazali, one of our great scholars,

00:35:24 --> 00:35:24

he said,

00:35:25 --> 00:35:28

during the time of Bani Israel, Bani Israel,

00:35:28 --> 00:35:30

right? During the time of the children of

00:35:30 --> 00:35:32

Israel when they had the prophecy.

00:35:34 --> 00:35:36

Father and son, these terms were used

00:35:36 --> 00:35:37

honorifically,

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figuratively.

00:35:39 --> 00:35:41

Right? So for example, Isaiah 6416,

00:35:42 --> 00:35:44

ata Adonai Avinu, you are the Lord our

00:35:44 --> 00:35:45

father.

00:35:46 --> 00:35:47

Right?

00:35:47 --> 00:35:48

In the Psalms,

00:35:49 --> 00:35:50

you are,

00:35:51 --> 00:35:52

you are my beloved kulakim,

00:35:54 --> 00:35:55

you are all sons of God.

00:35:56 --> 00:35:58

Right? In the Psalms.

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So this is meant to be figurative.

00:36:00 --> 00:36:02

But here the Quran is talking about this

00:36:02 --> 00:36:04

idea that Jesus is the Son of God

00:36:04 --> 00:36:06

in his metaphysical sense.

00:36:07 --> 00:36:09

Or even in a physical sense, because Mormons

00:36:09 --> 00:36:09

believe

00:36:10 --> 00:36:11

in this kind of physical

00:36:12 --> 00:36:12

sense.

00:36:13 --> 00:36:16

But this idea that God shares anything,

00:36:17 --> 00:36:20

that the father shares anything with other persons.

00:36:20 --> 00:36:21

It's called perikoresis.

00:36:21 --> 00:36:23

This is a trinitarian doctrine.

00:36:24 --> 00:36:26

The father, son, holy spirit, 3 separate and

00:36:26 --> 00:36:29

distinct persons for each each one fully God,

00:36:29 --> 00:36:30

in and of itself, in and of himself.

00:36:31 --> 00:36:33

They share in the actions and,

00:36:34 --> 00:36:36

they share in their actions, and they're inseparable

00:36:37 --> 00:36:39

in thought and consciousness. They're they're of one

00:36:39 --> 00:36:40

mind.

00:36:41 --> 00:36:42

To him belongs whatever is in the heavens

00:36:42 --> 00:36:43

and the earth, and God

00:36:44 --> 00:36:44

suffices

00:36:45 --> 00:36:45

as a trustee.

00:36:46 --> 00:36:48

So the Jewish position regarding Jesus, this is

00:36:48 --> 00:36:50

a traditional Jewish position. If you read the

00:36:50 --> 00:36:52

Talmud, for example, he was a false prophet

00:36:52 --> 00:36:53

and a pseudo messiah.

00:36:53 --> 00:36:55

You might get someone who will say, well,

00:36:55 --> 00:36:57

he was, you know, just a rabbi who

00:36:57 --> 00:36:58

made a mistake. You know, this guy, Ben

00:36:58 --> 00:37:01

Shapiro, just recently said he was a criminal

00:37:01 --> 00:37:03

who wanted to start an insurrection, and he

00:37:03 --> 00:37:05

was killed by the Romans.

00:37:05 --> 00:37:06

There's been many of them.

00:37:08 --> 00:37:09

The other extreme

00:37:10 --> 00:37:12

Christian position regarding Jesus, he's God incarnate,

00:37:13 --> 00:37:14

divine savior.

00:37:15 --> 00:37:16

The Muslim position,

00:37:17 --> 00:37:19

he's a great messenger and prophet messiah.

00:37:19 --> 00:37:21

And this is the conclusion,

00:37:24 --> 00:37:26

That is Jesus. This is what our brother

00:37:26 --> 00:37:27

read from the Quran.

00:37:30 --> 00:37:31

That is Jesus, son of Mary,

00:37:32 --> 00:37:33

and this is a word of truth about

00:37:33 --> 00:37:34

which they dispute.

00:37:35 --> 00:37:37

In other words, the aforementioned Christology that the

00:37:37 --> 00:37:39

Quran is mentioning, this is the truth about

00:37:39 --> 00:37:41

Jesus that all these people are disputing about.

00:37:42 --> 00:37:43

So, thank you

00:37:43 --> 00:37:44

for listening.

00:37:45 --> 00:37:46

I hope I didn't offend you. But I

00:37:46 --> 00:37:48

wanted to be honest with you and give

00:37:48 --> 00:37:49

you what

00:37:49 --> 00:37:51

I believe to be

00:37:51 --> 00:37:54

the traditional Muslim position and my position regarding

00:37:54 --> 00:37:56

our Christology. Thank you so much.

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