Ali Ataie – Quran And Bible And Ustad Ataie

Ali Ataie
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The importance of studying language and calling for clarification before making up one's mind is discussed in a series of presentations. The confusion surrounding the meaning of "knowing" in the Bible is discussed, as well as the importance of the holy spirit and proper marks during conversations to achieve understanding. The speakers emphasize the importance of interfaith dialogue and the use of proper adab during conversations to achieve understanding. The holy spirit is seen as the one who can never die and is used in the first person. The importance of having a good conversation with people who are Muslim or have questions about the Bible is also emphasized.
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Hebrew

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Let me say this in English for a

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second too.

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Whoever watching the program, we got a guest,

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mister Atayi. Doctor Atayi is here today. If

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you guys are priests, if you are, you

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know the pastor

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and if you are interested in religion, so

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doctor is here. We have all the books

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here, all the gospels with the different languages,

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Greek,

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Hebrew, English, Arabic, Farsi.

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I didn't bring my Turkish but you know

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whoever

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got any question, any comment we are here.

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Alhamdulillah, doctor is here we can respond all

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the question. And our doctor is going to

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talk about the Jesus in Quran,

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Azadees salaam in Quran and Jesus in Bible.

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It's gonna be back on the show. Thank

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you for having me.

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You made a point it's very important,

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that we study language.

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People who read the Quran

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and they don't know anything about Arabic,

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they're going to make

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major errors when trying to interpret the Quran.

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Like the Ayah that you mentioned in Surah

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Tawba, ayah number 40, Waqadimatullahi

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he had a rliya.

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Anyone who studies Arabic knows that the meaning

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of this, kadimatullah,

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this is called Ibafa,

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annexation, and it denotes something that is possessed.

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So the Word of God, not God is

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the Word.

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Yeah. Right?

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So, you know, it's it's important for you

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to

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study the language and and call our show

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and and maybe get some clarification on this

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before you make up your mind as to

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what the Quran is saying and you haven't

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studied the original language.

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The word of God is a title of

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Isa

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in the Quran. He is karima toolah.

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The word is not God. A word is

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owned by God. Kalima is called Mudaf in

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Arabic, a construct noun, and then Allah is

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mubaf ilayhi,

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the

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absolute noun or the owner of the construct

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noun. Just like when we say kitabullah,

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the book of God. We're not saying Al

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Kitabahu Allah, we're not saying the book is

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God.

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No one translates like that, that's an incorrect

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translation.

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What's also interesting is, if you read the

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entire Quran, it's very clear

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the stance of,

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the Quran with respect to

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orthodox or Trinitarian

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theology.

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This is in Surah Al Ma'ida, ayah number

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17,

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very clear Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says, it

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is a statement of those

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who

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reject faith.

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It is a statement of blasphemy.

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Those who say that Allah

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is the Christ, is Al Masir,

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is Hamashiach in Hebrew, is Isa alayhi salam.

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So this is an unacceptable

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theology.

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Right? So this verse is very clear, Al

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Maeda verse number 17.

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Right? So look at these clear verses.

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Interestingly Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says in the

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beginning of Surat Ali Imran,

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he says that there are 2 types of

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ayat in the Quran.

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There's Muhamkamat

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and Mutashabihat.

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Muhamkamat

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ayat

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are verses that are very clear and you

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read a translation you can even understand.

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But then you have mutashabihatayat

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that are not very clear, right, and require

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some sort of explanation.

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And then the ayah says, in the beginning

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of Adi Imran, those who have a disease

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in their hearts, they look at these mutashabi

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hats, and they twist and they turn them

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so that they say what they want them

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to say.

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Right? While ignoring the muhkhamat.

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So it's very clear that Isa alaihi salam

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is not Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala in the

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Quran. Right? That's very clear. So don't dig

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into these other verses and try to pull

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out the hidden meanings

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of the Quran and say, oh, the kadima

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is God. That's wrong. Not only on the

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basis of the rest of the Quran, but

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also grammatically, that's an incorrect

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translation.

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What's also interesting is, and this is something

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that you've been saying for years, we've been

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saying for many years in the past,

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that there's no verse in any New Testament

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gospel,

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Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. Right? There is

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no verse,

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in any gospel

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where Esai, alaihi salam, or Jesus, peace be

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upon him,

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says I am God or worship me.

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Right? I am God or worship me. And

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Jesus is never called

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God,

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in the New Testament.

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Not even in John 1:1, in the beginning

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was the word, the word was with God,

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the word was God. That's not a good

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translation. If you look at the Greek,

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right, he's not called the God,

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Theos.

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He's simply called Theos, and there's a difference

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between the two. A definite article, in Arabic

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we say Aliv Lam, makes a big difference

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in meaning and in translation.

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He's never called the God anywhere in the

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New Testament.

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The problem is people rely on translation.

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So what does the Quran say about Isa

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alaihi salam? Maybe it's a good way to

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start our conversation.

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Today. If we look at the Quran, Surah

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Alimran, this is chapter 3, surah number 3

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verse number 42,

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waifqalatin

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malaikatuyam

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mariamu

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Behold the angel said, O Maryam,

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God has chosen you and purified you, chosen

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you above the women of all nations. And

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this is something that a lot of people

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don't know about,

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the Quran

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is that Maryam alaihis salam is someone who's

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chosen above the women of all nations.

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That the only woman who's named in the

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Quran

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is Maryam alaihis salam.

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That there's a chapter of the Quran

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named after her. Chapter 19 of the Quran,

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Surat Maryam.

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The only chapter in the Quran named after

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a woman

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is chapter 19. There's no book in the

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New Testament named after Mary.

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Mary plays a very important role

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in the history,

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of of of Islam, in the history of

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religion,

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as how Muslims understand it. The Quran continues

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verse 45,

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'O Mary.' The angels are saying, 'O Mary,

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God gives you bushra,

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glad tidings of a kalima

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from Him. A kalima from Him.

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Right? Meaning this kalima

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has an origin in Allah. Allah

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created this kalima. This is the word of

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God.

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Kalima to Allah is different than kalamullah.

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The Quran is called Kalamullah

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but Isa alaihis salam

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and no place in the Quran is called

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Kalamullah

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because Kalam

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as we understand it is a pre eternal

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attribute of Allah that is manifested

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by the Quran.

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Whereas Isa alaihis salam

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is kalimatullah,

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meaning that he is a created word of

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Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.

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And many of the ulama, they discuss

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this ayah and say that Allah Subhanahu Wa

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Ta'ala, he said, Be and there he was.

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Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala created Isa Alaihi Salam,

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out of nothing, and that this is easy

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for Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala.

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Ismuhul Masir, so the name of this kalima

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is named Al Masir, his title, the Christ.

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'Isaab Nur Maryam wajeehan fitdunya wal akhira waminalmuqarabeen

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That this

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Masih Isa ibn Maryam,

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Jesus the son of Mary

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is held in honor in this dunya, this

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world and in the afterlife.

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And is

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from the ones that are nearest to Allah

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Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala,

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Mukar Rabin. So this is

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very,

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very

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complimentary

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language Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is giving high

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praise

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to Isa Alaihi Salam in the Quran. Again,

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this is something a lot of people don't

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know,

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especially,

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you know,

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non Muslim,

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non Muslims living in the West.

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They think they know a few things about

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Islam because they watch the news and whatnot,

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and most of what they hear is negative.

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But they don't know anything about our theology.

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They don't know that we believe in the

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same God,

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the God of Abraham. There's only one God.

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And they certainly don't know that we believe

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in Isa

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There is a difference however, Muslims believe in

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Isa as a nabi, a prophet,

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a Rasul,

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right? He is a messenger of God. He

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is Al Masih.

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He is the anointed of God, the messiah.

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And interestingly

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the Jews don't believe in any of these

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things when it comes to Isa alaihis salaam.

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The Jews,

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they you might get some that will say

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that he was a great rabbi

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but that's about

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it. Right? I mean, do we have a

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phone maybe we should

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you wanna take it right now? Yes, take.

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Yeah.

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So we're recording the ayat from Surat Alai

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Imran.

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In this sequence of ayat,

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we were at verse number 45.

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Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala he tells us that

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Isa Alaihi Salam is from the Mukharabeen.

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The Mukharabeen

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are those who are nearest to Allah Subhanahu

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Wa Ta'ala.

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So this is very important. This is something

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we have to tell our Christian friends

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about when they ask us about our theology.

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We should know something about our theology.

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It's,

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incumbent upon us. It's Fardha'in that we have

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to know something

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about our theology. We have to know the

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names of prophets. If somebody asks us who

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is Allah, we have to give an accurate

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answer to them. People ask us, do you

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believe in Aissa, alayhis salam?

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Of course we do, and we should quote

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some of the Quran to them. Let them

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hear the Quran.

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Right? Hearing the Quran itself is very powerful.

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How many times we read in the biography

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of the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam

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that a mushrik of some sort, an idolater

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of some sort, who was fighting against the

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prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam, they would just recite

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Quran to him.

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And oftentimes that was it. He would just

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hear the message, the beauty of it, the

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meanings of it, and they would become Muslim.

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So don't underestimate,

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the power of the kalam of Allah Subhanahu

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Wa Ta'ala. The Quran, when they hear the

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Quran it has a real effect

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on people.

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And then Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says about

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Isa alaihis salam, this is ayah number 46

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now, of surah number 3. Wa yukalimun nasil

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mahiwakahlan.

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That Isa alayhi salam will speak to the

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people in childhood

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and in maturity as an adult.

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Wominas saliheen,

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and he will be from the most righteous

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human beings to ever

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walk on the planet earth. That Allah Subhanahu

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Wa Ta'ala, he gave hikma, he gave wisdom

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to Isa Alaihi Salam when he was a

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very small child

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even.

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So this is someone who has

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a great blessing from Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala

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that he was given this gift of wisdom.

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And also as an adult, he will speak

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to the people

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as well. And then Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala

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tells us, qalatrabi

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anayakoonuli

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waladun

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walam yamsasni bashar. So now quoting Maryam alaihi

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sallam, now the angel has given her this

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bushra, this good news,

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you know, the annunciation

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that she's going to have a son, and

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she says, oh my lord, how can I

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have a son When I'm not married, no

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man has touched me? So this is something

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we believe in as well, according to the

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Quran. In fact, unfortunately a lot of Muslims

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don't even know that we confirm

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the miraculous birth of Isa Alai Sanat. It's

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mentioned in the Quran in a few places

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in the Quran. So certainly we can confirm

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this.

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This is something that's mentioned in the New

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Testament as well. So the Quran is confirming

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this aspect,

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this great miracle

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of Isa alaihi salam. Qalaqadadikillahu

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yaghluku mayyasha

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Very beautiful

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statement from Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala

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on the tongue of this angel speaking to

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Maryam alaihis salam. He says to her, even

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so Allah creates

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whatever He wills.

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That everything other than Allah is Mahlukaat,

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is creation. Everything.

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The Kaaba is created,

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Jibil

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the Arash, the Kursi,

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all of these things, the heavens and the

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earth, Isa everything is created.

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Only Allah

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His attributes and His actions are uncreated.

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Everything else, al-'alamin.

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This is one of the meanings of al-'alamin

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is kullu masiwa Allah. Everything except Allah.

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So Isa alaihi wasalam is from the Mahlukaat.

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He is a very highly exalted creation of

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Allah. The prophets are the best.

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According to our theology,

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the greatest human beings

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are the prophets,

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then the, you know, then people say, you

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know, the Imams, the Auliya, these are the

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greatest human beings. And these are men and

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women. Right?

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And as you said earlier as well, the

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Quran says,

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that we don't make distinctions between prophets.

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So I cannot make a distinction.

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In other words, I'm not going to give

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a prophet

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a title that Allah did not give him.

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That's not my job.

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Allah has his prophets at different levels. Because

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another eye of the Quran, al Baqarah 253,

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minhumman

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kalamallahuwarafaana

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ba'adumdarajat.

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That Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says that those

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messengers,

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we gave some

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degrees over others.

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That Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala has his prophets

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at different degrees. The highest station

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is the Maqam of Mahmud. This is the

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station of the Shafi'wal Mushafah,

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of the intercessor on the yawmul qiyama

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and this is the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa

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sallam, the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

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He has the highest rank of the prophets.

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The ulama also talk about the ululazmi

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mina rusul,

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the 5 great exalted ones.

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Those of inflexible purpose, of firm resolve,

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And they say that these are

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in in chronological

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order,

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Nuh alayhi salaam

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and Ibrahim alayhi salaam

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and Musa

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and Aesah

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and the prophet Muhammad

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These are the great prophets of God. So

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Allah

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is telling us here

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that

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Isa alaihis salam is created but he's from

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the greatest of the Mahlukaat.

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But to say that he's uncreated,

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this is the Christian claim.

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They say that the son of God, meaning

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not the physical body of Jesus that's obviously

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created, they admit that. But they're talking about

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his his,

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his person as the Son of God.

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Right? That he's pre eternal and he's uncreated.

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So this is problematic,

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right? That only Allah

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has pre eternality.

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Allah

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is uncreated. Everything else is created.

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And then Allah says, idaqaddhaamran

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fa inna maya kullahu kun fa yukun. That

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whenever God decrees anything,

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he just says be and there it

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is. Right? That creation is very easy for

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Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.

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That Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala

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does not need to,

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you know, he does not need

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to come down into his creation.

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Muslims don't believe in an incarnation.

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Right? That nothing

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in creation is Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala because

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The Quran tells us there's nothing like Allah

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whatsoever.

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There's nothing like Allah.

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So,

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you know, there's some people who worship

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different monuments.

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They worship their own egos. They worship money.

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Right?

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None of these things are God. These are

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false deities, false God. Because the real God

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is unseen.

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The real God is not in creation.

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The real God created creation.

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The real God is not in time or

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in place

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because he created

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time and place.

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So this idea of a divine incarnation

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that Christians believe, at least the trinitarians

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which are the obviously majority,

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believe that God came down to earth

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incarnated, became flesh

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in the form of a man, and then

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essentially killed himself

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for the sins of humanity.

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From a Islamic standpoint, this is very problematic

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but even from a biblical standpoint,

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this is also very problematic.

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Because if you read in the Old Testament

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or the Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible, Christians call

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it Old Testament.

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If you read there it's very clear,

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If you see, for example, Numbers 23/19,

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this is in the Torah,

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Genesis, Exodus,

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Leviticus,

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Numbers. The 4th book

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of of the Torah,

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in the Bible is called Numbers

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23/19.

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It says very clearly,

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Lo'ish El.

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And you should learn this, it's very easy.

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Lo'ish El, this is the Hebrew.

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Right? You should memorize this.

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Lo'ish

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El means God is not a man.

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Right? God is not a man. It's very

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very clear.

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Right? So when you're engaging in conversation, and

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this is what the Quran says, and this

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is the caller, may Allah reward him. He

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reminded us of

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the importance of interfaith dialogue.

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Qoryaahalkitab

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ta'alawilalkani

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matin sawayin

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beinanawabeinakum.

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Say, O people of the Kitab, right? Could

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be Bible, people of the book, Jews and

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Christians.

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Let's come together

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and come to common terms.

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Let's come upon a common word, kadimetsin Sawayin.

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Right?

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So it's important for us to engage in

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interfaith dialogue but we do it with good,

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what? We do it with good adab. Right?

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It's important

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but we get our point across. The point

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isn't to agree on everything, we're gonna have

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disagreement.

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The point is to be understood by people.

00:31:01 --> 00:31:02

Right? And you can agree to disagree.

00:31:03 --> 00:31:06

Right? So when you're engaging with your Christian

00:31:06 --> 00:31:07

friends, your family members,

00:31:08 --> 00:31:08

your

00:31:09 --> 00:31:11

your schoolmates, whoever they might be,

00:31:12 --> 00:31:14

and they try to convince you that Isa

00:31:14 --> 00:31:16

alaihi salam is Allah

00:31:18 --> 00:31:20

you could quote this verse in Hebrew

00:31:21 --> 00:31:21

23/19

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of the book of Numbers,

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lo ishail.

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Everyone say it together. 123.

00:31:28 --> 00:31:30

Lo ish El.

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God is not man. God is not a

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man. It's very clear.

00:31:34 --> 00:31:36

Right? And there's other places also, the book

00:31:36 --> 00:31:37

of Hosea.

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This is in the old testament also. Hosea

00:31:40 --> 00:31:41

11:9

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is very clear,

00:31:47 --> 00:31:49

God is now speaking in the first person.

00:31:50 --> 00:31:52

Right? God is not a man,

00:31:53 --> 00:31:54

this is in the 3rd person.

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But now, God is speaking in the first

00:31:58 --> 00:32:00

person. Right? And when God speaks in the

00:32:00 --> 00:32:02

first person, which he does sometimes in the

00:32:02 --> 00:32:03

Quran,

00:32:03 --> 00:32:04

then it's really important.

00:32:05 --> 00:32:06

Right?

00:32:06 --> 00:32:08

So he says, indeed I am God.

00:32:13 --> 00:32:16

That's the equivalent probably, the translation.

00:32:19 --> 00:32:20

And not a human being.

00:32:23 --> 00:32:25

Indeed I am God

00:32:25 --> 00:32:27

and not a man.

00:32:27 --> 00:32:31

Meaning that God and man are mutually exclusive.

00:32:32 --> 00:32:35

Right? They're 2 different entities.

00:32:36 --> 00:32:37

So this is very important.

00:32:38 --> 00:32:40

This idea again that we mentioned

00:32:40 --> 00:32:41

of

00:32:41 --> 00:32:42

God

00:32:43 --> 00:32:45

coming down to earth and then committing

00:32:46 --> 00:32:47

an act of self immolation,

00:32:48 --> 00:32:50

essentially killing himself

00:32:50 --> 00:32:52

for the sins of humanity. Also very problematic

00:32:53 --> 00:32:55

from a Muslim standpoint because God can never

00:32:55 --> 00:32:56

die.

00:32:56 --> 00:32:57

Right?

00:33:01 --> 00:33:04

Al hay. Al hay means the one who

00:33:04 --> 00:33:05

has intrinsic

00:33:05 --> 00:33:07

life and is always alive.

00:33:08 --> 00:33:09

He can never die.

00:33:10 --> 00:33:12

It is impossible for Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala

00:33:12 --> 00:33:15

to die. It is against the nature of

00:33:15 --> 00:33:17

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala to die.

00:33:18 --> 00:33:19

Right? So this is something we have to

00:33:19 --> 00:33:20

remember.

00:33:20 --> 00:33:23

In the Old Testament also, it's very clear,

00:33:24 --> 00:33:25

that God is

00:33:26 --> 00:33:26

an eternal

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God. If you read for example the book

00:33:29 --> 00:33:32

of 1st and second Kings, 1st and second

00:33:32 --> 00:33:34

Chronicles, especially 1st and second Kings,

00:33:35 --> 00:33:36

And,

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the rest of the books in in that

00:33:39 --> 00:33:41

sequence, 1st and second Samuel,

00:33:43 --> 00:33:43

you have dialogue

00:33:44 --> 00:33:45

between the prophet Elijah

00:33:46 --> 00:33:46

and Elisha

00:33:47 --> 00:33:49

and quite often they will say to each

00:33:49 --> 00:33:50

other, Khay Adonai

00:33:51 --> 00:33:52

Khay Adonai

00:33:53 --> 00:33:54

What does that mean? It means by the

00:33:54 --> 00:33:56

living God. This is called the Qasam

00:33:56 --> 00:33:58

in Arabic. A Qasam is an oath.

00:33:59 --> 00:34:00

For example, you say wallahi,

00:34:01 --> 00:34:02

this is called Qasam.

00:34:02 --> 00:34:05

Right? So the Hebrew prophets, they take a

00:34:05 --> 00:34:08

Qasam when they speak to each other, Khay

00:34:08 --> 00:34:10

Adonai, by the living God.

00:34:11 --> 00:34:13

The God who never dies,

00:34:13 --> 00:34:16

right? So this problem, there's nothing wrong with

00:34:16 --> 00:34:17

a prophet dying,

00:34:18 --> 00:34:19

Right? We are told in

00:34:20 --> 00:34:20

the Quran

00:34:21 --> 00:34:23

that Bani Israel killed many of the prophets.

00:34:24 --> 00:34:24

Right?

00:34:25 --> 00:34:27

We know for example Yahya alaihi wasalam

00:34:28 --> 00:34:30

was killed, right? There's nothing wrong with a

00:34:30 --> 00:34:31

prophet dying.

00:34:31 --> 00:34:33

A prophet can be killed.

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A

00:34:35 --> 00:34:36

saint can be killed. An imam can be

00:34:36 --> 00:34:40

killed. A righteous rajalun salih, a righteous man,

00:34:40 --> 00:34:42

they can be killed. Many were killed. No

00:34:42 --> 00:34:42

problem.

00:34:43 --> 00:34:45

But saying God can be

00:34:46 --> 00:34:48

killed. This is a major problem

00:34:49 --> 00:34:51

and I don't think that this belief is

00:34:51 --> 00:34:52

consistent

00:34:52 --> 00:34:54

with the Hebrew Bible. I have a Hebrew

00:34:54 --> 00:34:55

Bible right

00:34:56 --> 00:34:58

here. I have a Greek New Testament. I

00:34:58 --> 00:35:00

encourage people that are watching,

00:35:00 --> 00:35:02

who are Muslim or have questions

00:35:03 --> 00:35:03

or Christians,

00:35:04 --> 00:35:06

to call our show and let's talk about

00:35:06 --> 00:35:08

these very important issues.

00:35:09 --> 00:35:12

We're not going to insult your religion. We're

00:35:12 --> 00:35:13

not going to insult you personally.

00:35:14 --> 00:35:16

Right? But we want to engage in a

00:35:16 --> 00:35:19

good conversation because this is what the Quran

00:35:19 --> 00:35:20

tells us to do.

00:35:20 --> 00:35:21

The Quran tells us

00:35:22 --> 00:35:23

to have a conversation

00:35:23 --> 00:35:26

and the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam when he

00:35:26 --> 00:35:28

was living in Medina, he invited the Christians

00:35:29 --> 00:35:31

into the mosque. Which is interesting because

00:35:32 --> 00:35:34

Catholics were not allowed to go into Masajid

00:35:35 --> 00:35:36

until the 19 sixties.

00:35:37 --> 00:35:40

There was a council called Vatican 2 from

00:35:40 --> 00:35:42

1962 to 1965.

00:35:42 --> 00:35:44

It was only then

00:35:44 --> 00:35:46

that the Catholic church allowed

00:35:47 --> 00:35:47

Catholics

00:35:47 --> 00:35:49

to go into Masajid,

00:35:50 --> 00:35:52

into Mosques and engage in dialogue.

00:35:52 --> 00:35:54

Whereas if you look at our historical record,

00:35:54 --> 00:35:56

the Sira literature,

00:35:56 --> 00:35:57

many hadith

00:35:57 --> 00:35:59

about the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, we see

00:35:59 --> 00:36:01

that he opened the doors of the Masjid

00:36:01 --> 00:36:02

and allowed

00:36:02 --> 00:36:05

Jews and Christians to come and they would

00:36:05 --> 00:36:05

have discussions.

00:36:06 --> 00:36:07

There's nothing wrong with that. This is how

00:36:07 --> 00:36:09

we create peace in the world.

00:36:09 --> 00:36:12

It's not by shutting our doors or building

00:36:12 --> 00:36:14

walls like one of the presidential candidates wants

00:36:14 --> 00:36:16

to do. This is not how we create

00:36:16 --> 00:36:16

peace.

00:36:17 --> 00:36:19

We get together and we talk about these

00:36:19 --> 00:36:21

issues but we do it with adab. As

00:36:21 --> 00:36:23

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says,

00:36:31 --> 00:36:33

In surah An Nahl verse,

00:36:33 --> 00:36:35

this surah number 16

00:36:35 --> 00:36:36

verse 125.

00:36:37 --> 00:36:39

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says,

00:36:39 --> 00:36:42

call all to the way of your Lord,

00:36:42 --> 00:36:43

Bil Hikmati

00:36:44 --> 00:36:45

with wisdom, wamawidhatilhasana,

00:36:48 --> 00:36:50

and beneficial or beautiful preaching.

00:36:51 --> 00:36:53

Right? Don't insult people. No. Let's talk. We

00:36:53 --> 00:36:54

can be critical.

00:36:54 --> 00:36:55

We have to be critical

00:36:55 --> 00:36:57

because we believe that

00:36:58 --> 00:37:00

somebody is wrong. We believe that Christianity, Christian

00:37:00 --> 00:37:02

theology got it wrong. That Isa alaihi wa

00:37:02 --> 00:37:04

sallam is not Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.

00:37:05 --> 00:37:07

Right? We wanted to talk about that and

00:37:07 --> 00:37:08

then he says,

00:37:11 --> 00:37:12

and debate with them

00:37:13 --> 00:37:14

is debate.

00:37:15 --> 00:37:17

Debate with them in ways that are good.

00:37:17 --> 00:37:20

Meaning don't insult, don't name call, right? Ad

00:37:20 --> 00:37:23

hominem attacks, often times we engage in conference,

00:37:23 --> 00:37:26

you know, we we talk to Christians and

00:37:26 --> 00:37:27

then they get frustrated,

00:37:27 --> 00:37:28

and then they

00:37:28 --> 00:37:29

start using

00:37:29 --> 00:37:32

bad language, 4 letter words. Right? Sometimes they

00:37:32 --> 00:37:34

call our show after and they cuss us

00:37:34 --> 00:37:36

out. For what?

00:37:36 --> 00:37:38

We wanna have a good civil conversation.

00:37:39 --> 00:37:40

Right?

00:37:40 --> 00:37:42

So argue with them, debate with them in

00:37:42 --> 00:37:45

ways that are best because resulting to ad

00:37:45 --> 00:37:46

hominem attacks

00:37:47 --> 00:37:47

is

00:37:47 --> 00:37:49

you're admitting that you've lost the debate,

00:37:50 --> 00:37:52

and it's a fallacious argument. So don't call

00:37:52 --> 00:37:53

our show and start

00:37:54 --> 00:37:56

insulting the Quran or the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi

00:37:56 --> 00:37:59

Wasallam or anything like that because we have

00:37:59 --> 00:38:00

no patience for that, we're not going to

00:38:01 --> 00:38:02

entertain that type of thing. But if you

00:38:02 --> 00:38:03

have real questions,

00:38:04 --> 00:38:05

if you want to be an adult about

00:38:05 --> 00:38:06

the matter,

00:38:06 --> 00:38:08

if you want to be academic,

00:38:09 --> 00:38:11

call our show please and let's talk about

00:38:11 --> 00:38:12

these issues. Very important.

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