Ali Ataie – Promulgation & Subsequent Codification of Orthodox Islamic Creed

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The speakers discuss the importance of understanding the fruit of one's faith and desire to love God in Islam. They also discuss the importance of the third area of study, which is the theory of the beast, and the influence of Christian and Jesus-theonied philosophy on the development of the Islam-istic world. The importance of creative literature is highlighted, and the Sunnis and Moqesilites have a diverse faith based on their own hadiths and strong Christian faith. The importance of having a strong Christian faith is emphasized, and the Sunnis and Moqesilites have a diverse faith based on their own hadiths and strong Christian faith.

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			So, as we move along here,
		
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			I'm gonna have to define some terminology for
		
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			you so that we're on the same page.
		
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			So the word creed,
		
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			first of all, comes from a Latin word
		
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			credo, which means I believe.
		
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			In Greek, we say pisteuo,
		
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			from pistis, I believe. Things I have faith
		
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			in.
		
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			So the word in
		
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			Arabic,
		
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			is
		
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			which, the root so it's a from a
		
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			trilateral root.
		
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			Which means to tie or to bind or
		
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			to or to
		
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			to hold down, to tie a knot.
		
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			So the word bukhda, you'll find in the
		
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			Quran, for example,
		
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			the, prayer of Moses of the burning bush,
		
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			the praise to God. According to the Quran,
		
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			he says,
		
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			literally,
		
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			unravel
		
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			the knot from my tongue, which is translated,
		
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			of course, remove the impediment
		
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			from my speech. So this is, the cognate
		
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			of this,
		
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			in the Hebrew is the same letters, agim,
		
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			pov, and dalet.
		
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			And just as a side note, this word,
		
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			apida, actually comes directly from,
		
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			a word in the Hebrew Bible in Genesis
		
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			chapter 22.
		
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			Abraham binds his son Isaac,
		
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			and the Hebrew says
		
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			means then he bound his son. And that
		
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			passage in the Hebrew bible is called
		
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			Haqaydah.
		
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			The Haqaydah, the binding or the bounding
		
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			of Isaac.
		
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			So Aqidah means
		
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			a set of beliefs that are binding upon
		
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			every Muslim. Every Muslim is a it's it's
		
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			incumbent upon every Muslim
		
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			to believe,
		
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			in these tenants.
		
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			So when we talk about creed, we're essentially
		
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			talking about 3 areas
		
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			of study.
		
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			Three major areas as you can see on
		
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			the handout, the first area is known as
		
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			theology,
		
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			which is ilah iat,
		
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			who is God, what are the attributes of
		
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			God,
		
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			what are the conceivabilities
		
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			for God, what are the inconceivabilities
		
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			for God. Now early orthodox
		
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			dialecticians, which are called,
		
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			they actually had to come up with a
		
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			working definition for God. And you're probably thinking,
		
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			well, how can you define God? How can
		
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			you express,
		
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			the infinite with finite language and so on
		
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			and so forth? We have to understand that
		
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			they had to do this out of necessity.
		
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			Why did they have to do it out
		
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			of necessity? Because,
		
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			this is very important, the nature of credo
		
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			language is that it's polemical,
		
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			it's responsive,
		
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			it's reactionary.
		
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			They're responding to certain elements within the tradition
		
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			that are saying things that they deemed to
		
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			be heterodox or not correct. We'll talk about
		
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			what that means. So their definition of that
		
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			is very simple. They say,
		
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			the one who has
		
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			vital existence.
		
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			He's deserving of every perfection.
		
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			And he is transcendent or he is free
		
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			from every type of deficiency.
		
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			And of course, there's a very broad definition.
		
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			Jews and Christians would also agree with this
		
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			definition,
		
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			but it sort
		
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			of puts us in the right direction,
		
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			so to speak.
		
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			So this why do Muslims study creed? It's
		
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			actually,
		
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			creed because it acts as a protection against
		
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			deviant police. That's number 1. And the other
		
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			reason is, it's incumbent upon every Muslim
		
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			to love God.
		
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			Right? So this is the ultimate goal of
		
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			studying theology,
		
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			and ever, like I said, every Muslim has
		
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			to have some level of theological education,
		
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			in order to have a relationship
		
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			with God. So the Muslim scholars say, before
		
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			there's Mahatba,
		
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			before there's love of God, there must be
		
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			gnosis of God, there must be You
		
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			must have knowledge in order to love something.
		
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			You can't love something you don't know, this
		
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			is the philosophy behind it. So Muslims believe
		
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			in this doctrine known as progressive revelation,
		
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			where,
		
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			this aspect is not new to the Islamic
		
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			tradition. This is something that's found in the
		
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			previous revelations and dispensations,
		
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			as Muslims would say. For example, very quickly
		
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			in Mark chapter 12, a scribe comes to
		
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			Jesus and says, what is the greatest commanded?
		
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			Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the
		
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			Lord is 1. And then he continues and
		
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			he says, and he's quoting from the Torah,
		
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			and he says,
		
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			And you must love the Lord thy God
		
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			with all of thy heart.
		
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			And the construction in Hebrew, you have a
		
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			conjunction with a perfect tense which makes it
		
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			imperative.
		
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			You must love the lord thy god with
		
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			all of thy heart,
		
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			with
		
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			all of thy strength and with all of
		
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			thy being. So this is something that is
		
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			the point of studying theology. This is the
		
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			goal, this is the aim, this is the
		
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			objective of studying theology.
		
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			It is to draw near to the divine.
		
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			Right?
		
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			So it's not something where a Muslim will
		
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			learn all of these different,
		
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			do's and don'ts, and these different parameters and
		
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			whatnot, and just be able to rehash them
		
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			like a parrot. That's not the point of
		
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			it. Even though that's important, we should we
		
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			should know Muslims are taught to know the
		
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			parameters of their belief and what's acceptable and
		
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			whatnot, but that's not the ultimate goal of
		
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			it.
		
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			So that's the first area is theology. The
		
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			second area is known as prophetology
		
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			or nubuwaz.
		
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			So this deals with the nature and function
		
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			of profits,
		
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			the conceivability for profits, the inconceivability
		
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			for profits. Now there are certain Muslims known
		
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			as,
		
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			the Aisha'id. We'll talk about who the Aisha'id.
		
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			It's an acceptable school of theology amongst the
		
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			tradition
		
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			that will take a subcategory of
		
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			called mystical prophetology,
		
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			and this deals with,
		
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			what's known as the reality of the Mohammed
		
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			in nature,
		
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			or the idea
		
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			that the prophet Muhammad has ontological
		
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			or temporal precedence over the rest of creation.
		
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			Not a,
		
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			an an an essential or absolute preexistence,
		
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			that's only for God. But the sense that
		
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			the prophet is the best of creation,
		
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			while he was sent last in temporality
		
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			and time. His creation, the creation of his
		
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			soul actually predates the creation of Adam.
		
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			Whether whether Muslims believe in this or not,
		
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			at the end of the day is a
		
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			little consequence, because either way the prophet is
		
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			still creation, and this is the whole point,
		
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			that there's nothing uncreated except God and its
		
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			attributes.
		
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			So this roughly approximates
		
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			the Arian position represented at Nicaea 325. The
		
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			group of Christians that had that held that
		
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			very position about Jesus. They called Jesus katissima
		
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			televon,
		
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			the best of creation.
		
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			Their motto was,
		
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			which is Greek, which means, there was a
		
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			time when he was not. There was a
		
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			time when Jesus was not. This type of
		
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			belief, is probably influenced the early theologians of
		
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			the Ashanti tradition as well.
		
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			The third area of study is called superrational
		
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			transmissions.
		
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			These are semi yat in Arabic. So these
		
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			are events that are incumbent upon every Muslim
		
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			to believe in. Okay? But these are events
		
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			that are only known through what's known as
		
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			nakal or revelation.
		
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			So these are events
		
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			that are known through a text of some
		
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			sort that Muslims believe to be sacred.
		
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			For example, the Quran, which is the uncreated
		
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			pre eternal speech of God according to
		
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			the Islamic theologians,
		
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			or hadith.
		
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			Okay? Hadith are rigorously authenticated statements
		
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			attributed to the prophet Muhammad.
		
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			And when theologians look at the hadith, the
		
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			statements of the prophet, because there's millions of
		
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			hadith under different grades and whatnot, they only
		
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			take the best of the best to derive
		
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			creedal statements from. To make sure that the
		
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			most that there's no dissension,
		
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			most people believe in it, so it's easier
		
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			to canonize. So they would take hadith that
		
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			have reached a level known as tawato,
		
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			multiple attestation. There's only less than a 1,000
		
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			of those hadith out of the something 3,000,000
		
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			hadith.
		
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			Okay. So
		
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			so,
		
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			the super rational transmissions, for example, what's an
		
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			example of a super rational transmission? Like the
		
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			night journey and ascension of the prophet.
		
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			Right? Or the standing on the concourse
		
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			on on the day of judgment.
		
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			Right? These are things that are only known
		
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			through Revelation.
		
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			Can't prove these things empirically. Right? Can't prove
		
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			very much empirically. But since they're mentioned in
		
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			Revelation, and they're multiple detested,
		
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			it's incumbent upon Muslims to believe in them.
		
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			The intercession of the prophet, for example, a
		
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			day of judgment. Many things crossing the bridge,
		
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			for example, the questioning in the grave.
		
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			So the study of Islamic creed not only
		
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			deals with what
		
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			Muslims believe, but why do they believe it.
		
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			Okay? But language cannot describe the reality of
		
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			faith, that's ineffable. And we're not we're not
		
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			trying to describe what faith is or what
		
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			experiential theology is. We're only using language to
		
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			describe what Muslims believe
		
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			and why do they believe it. What were
		
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			the forces, theological,
		
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			social, historical, and otherwise,
		
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			that motivated early formulaic creole articulations
		
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			by the scholars of Ahlul Sunnah wal Jama'a.
		
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			So this title,
		
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			that's the that's the large title of Sunni
		
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			Orthodoxy.
		
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			Okay? So when you hear when you're gonna
		
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			hear me say Sunni Orthodoxy, I'm referring to
		
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			Agha Sunnah 1 Jama'a, which literally means the
		
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			people of the prophetic
		
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			precedent
		
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			and the majority.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			So
		
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			one of my professors at, GTU,
		
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			Jean Francois Racine, he studied under Bart Ehrman,
		
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			who is, of course, famous for misquoting Jesus,
		
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			orthodox, corruption, scripture, whatnot. He's an expert of,
		
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			in the field of, textual criticism in the
		
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			New Testament. He he coined a a a
		
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			term, which I'm going to use, I think
		
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			it's a brilliant term, called Proto Orthodox.
		
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			Proto Orthodox
		
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			were the forerunners of orthodoxy.
		
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			So proto orthodox scholars
		
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			represented
		
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			what would eventually become standard belief in that
		
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			tradition.
		
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			So this is before creeds were codified.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			We call them proto orthodox, of course, versus
		
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			the heterodox.
		
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			Heteronos in Greek meaning other.
		
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			Right? So this is considered to be a
		
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			deviant position. This probably takes cue from Paul's
		
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			letter to the Galatians
		
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			when he chastises them for believing in
		
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			or another gospel, a different gospel, a heretical
		
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			gospel.
		
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			So orthodoxy straight thinking, heterodoxy deviant teaching.
		
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			Salute will utilize this term proto orthodoxy,
		
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			which will be used interchangeably
		
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			with proto Sunni.
		
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			So scholars are Muslim scholars who represented what
		
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			eventually would become the standard Sunni belief,
		
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			Forerunners of Islamic orthodoxy.
		
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			So very quickly, just very very quickly, because
		
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			it'll help us to give us some it'll
		
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			help us conceptualize.
		
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			We're going to see what happened in the
		
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			Christian tradition.
		
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			There are obvious parallels, it'll help us conceptualize.
		
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			So there's a 3 step,
		
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			there's 3 steps in in creole canonization,
		
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			and it usually takes about 4 centuries. Ironically,
		
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			this took 4 centuries in Christianity and in
		
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			Islam. The first step is called proclamation,
		
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			which leads to a clarification,
		
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			And then you have a codification or canonization.
		
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			This usually takes
		
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			4 centuries.
		
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			Took about 4 centuries in the Christian tradition
		
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			and the Islamic tradition. So I'll give you
		
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			an example very quickly. So you have Jesus
		
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			and his disciples who believe certain tenants.
		
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			They have faith convictions, they proclaim them. It's
		
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			called the Kerugma, the early Christian proclamation.
		
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			By the end of the 1st century, maybe
		
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			earlier to 4th century, you have all of
		
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			these different groups coming out,
		
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			having different Christologies, different ideas of who Jesus
		
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			was, different soteriologies,
		
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			different ideas or concepts of salvation.
		
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			So you have groups like Ebionites, and Marcionites,
		
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			and Patriopasianism, and Modalists, and all the Gnostics,
		
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			and the docetite, all of these different groups
		
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			claiming to be in the Christian tradition, and
		
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			then you have the proto orthodox Christians.
		
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			Now, most of these groups had their share
		
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			of specialists.
		
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			They have speculative theologians, they have polemical theologians.
		
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			What did they do? They busied themselves writing
		
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			refutations
		
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			of their opponents
		
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			and clarifying their positions.
		
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			Okay? So they would
		
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			busy themselves writing refutations of their opponents and
		
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			clarifying
		
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			their positions.
		
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			So the Porto Orthodox Christian Fathers, for example,
		
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			like Clement and Origen, Justin, Irenaeus,
		
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			Eusebius,
		
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			many many more. So by the 4th century,
		
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			you have the time of the great codifiers.
		
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			By the 4th century of the of the
		
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			Christian era, The great codifiers, like Athanasius of
		
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			Alexandria,
		
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			in the,
		
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			Greek East, Augustine of Hippo in the Latin
		
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			West, Cappadocian church fathers, Asia Minor, the 2
		
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			great Greeks Saint Basil.
		
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			What did they do? They refined
		
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			and systematized
		
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			the beliefs of their of their proto proto
		
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			orthodox
		
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			predecessors. They refined and systematized
		
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			their belief. Therefore, the earliest proto orthodox Christian
		
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			creeds come from this period of 4th century,
		
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			the Apostolic Creed, the Athenian Creed, the Nicene
		
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			Creed after 325,
		
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			the Nicene Constantino Policing Creed after 381, which
		
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			is the most orthodox creed.
		
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			Okay. So following this line, now we can
		
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			look at Islam, what happened in the Islamic
		
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			tradition. So similarly,
		
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			you have the prophet Muhammad and his disciples,
		
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			and the prophet lived from 570
		
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			to 632
		
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			of the common era,
		
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			and they likewise
		
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			proclaimed a message known as a Risada. So
		
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			it was called a Kerugma in the Christian
		
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			tradition. In the Islamic tradition, it's called the
		
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			Risala.
		
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			Now here's something interesting. The first generation of
		
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			Muslims,
		
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			the first generation known as the Sahaba,
		
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			they did not engage in speculative discourse. What's
		
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			known as eghamul kalam.
		
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			They didn't engage in kalam.
		
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			There was no need for it.
		
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			Right? They never asked the questions. For example,
		
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			was the Quran created? It never even occurred
		
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			to them. Do human beings create their own
		
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			actions? These things weren't brought up until later.
		
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			They were issues until later.
		
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			Like like today,
		
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			the theists are asked questions like, you know,
		
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			if, God is omnipotent,
		
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			you know, it's the the stone conundrum. Right?
		
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			Can he create a stone that's too heavy
		
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			for him to lift? Can
		
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			God just what was the one? Can he
		
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			can he warm up a burrito so hot
		
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			that he can't eat it? Or he say,
		
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			you know, where is God? Who created God?
		
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			This type of thing. Right? These questions didn't
		
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			even occur for the 1st generation, and I
		
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			think part of the reason why is they
		
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			experienced their theology. There was no reason to
		
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			question it. They experienced it. They're with the
		
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			prophet,
		
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			and they saw him perform,
		
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			these miracles reportedly.
		
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			So this was never an issue with them.
		
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			And likewise, the original disciples of Jesus, they
		
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			experienced their theology. So these questions weren't brought
		
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			up until much later.
		
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			But you get into the 2nd and third,
		
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			generations,
		
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			and as the empire, the Islamic empire is
		
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			growing,
		
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			under the Umayyad and the Abbasid Dynasties.
		
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			Now you have,
		
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			Jewish and Byzantine,
		
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			and Persian peoples becoming Muslim,
		
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			and then,
		
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			looking at Islam through their own hermeneutical lens,
		
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			so to speak. Right? So now these different
		
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			ideas
		
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			start coming up. Also, Muslims,
		
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			came into contact with seasoned Jewish and Christian
		
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			Hellenized philosophers.
		
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			So many of these issues were raised. So
		
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			what happened now, it necessitated
		
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			it necessitated
		
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			reason to responses
		
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			and clarifications
		
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			from these proto Sunni scholars.
		
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			It was necessary. Again, creole language
		
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			is by its nature responsive.
		
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			It refutes heresies.
		
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			It clarifies
		
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			positions.
		
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			Right? So the classic example,
		
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			is,
		
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			the Lagos
		
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			of the Yochanan gospel. So when when Islam
		
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			went into the Levant or a sham in
		
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			Syria and into Egypt,
		
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			Christian philosophers had heard of the Quranic revelation
		
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			referred to Jesus Christ.
		
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			So they were wondering, is this and the
		
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			Quran type refers to Jesus as the word
		
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			of God. Right?
		
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			The angel said, oh Mary, God gives you
		
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			glad tidings of a word from him, Ishmael
		
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			Masir, who was called Christ, Esav Numeriam, Jesus
		
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			the son of Mary.
		
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			So
		
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			these, Hellenized Christian philosophers would ask the Muslims,
		
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			is this the Lagos of the Johannine gospel?
		
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			Right? John 11,
		
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			where it says what? N r k ein
		
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			Lagos, in the beginning was the word.
		
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			Right? Which,
		
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			implies
		
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			that the word has an essential pre existence.
		
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			And the word was with God. Meaning that
		
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			the word has a separate and distinct entity
		
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			or or existence, but there's some dynamic relationship
		
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			with God.
		
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			And God was the word. They share an
		
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			essential nature. So it necessitated, obviously it's not
		
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			the same concept as the kari matullo or
		
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			the concept of Christ in Islam. But this
		
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			is just an example of how or why
		
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			Muslim theologians began now to study,
		
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			Christian,
		
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			theology in order to formulate
		
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			reason the responses to what they were hearing.
		
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			Right?
		
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			However,
		
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			the first sectarian,
		
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			had nothing to do with outside influences,
		
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			meaning
		
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			Hellenistic, Jewish, Christian, Byzantine, or Persian. So I'm
		
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			gonna so it's on the sheet here. I'm
		
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			going to, go through these these heterodox groups
		
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			of, of Muslims,
		
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			and demonstrate to you,
		
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			how
		
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			these groups influenced
		
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			the codification,
		
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			right, the canonization
		
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			of Islamic
		
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			formulaic
		
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			credal articulations.
		
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			How did these groups influence credal literature?
		
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			The first group I'm gonna talk about are
		
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			known as the Khawarij.
		
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			The Khwarej meaning cecedars or the Kharijites.
		
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			This was actually at the time of the
		
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			first generation, towards the end of the first
		
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			generation of Muslims
		
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			in the 7th century.
		
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			They, were nomadic Bedouin for the most part.
		
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			They were not trained by any of the
		
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			companions of the prophets, at least that's the
		
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			Muslim claim.
		
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			They espoused a very puritanical type of fire
		
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			and brimstone,
		
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			theology. They believed that if a Muslim committed
		
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			a mortal sin, then they got apostated from
		
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			the community, and it was their right to
		
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			kill that person. So they would actually go
		
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			down into
		
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			cities and hamlets, and they would raid them,
		
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			and they would indiscriminately
		
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			massacre
		
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			everyone. Montgomery Walk calls,
		
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			calls their actions pure pure or sheer terrorism.
		
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			So obviously, this we have an element of
		
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			neo coavage,
		
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			in the world today as well. They're very
		
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			exclusivism.
		
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			Right? If you didn't believe exactly what I
		
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			believed, then you're not even a Muslim. This
		
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			type very exclusive, this type of beliefs.
		
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			They would anathematize,
		
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			companions of the prophet who did not believe
		
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			as they believe. In other words, would make
		
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			tough fear of them. Anesthetized means they would
		
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			declare them as being apostates, it would kill
		
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			them. So the 4th caliph, for example, his
		
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			name was Ali. He was the nephew of
		
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			the prophet. He was killed by a man
		
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			of the Khawarij in Kufa, Iraq in 6/61
		
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			of the common era. Man's name was, Abdulrahman
		
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			ibn
		
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			al Murad I Istab, the caliph Ali as
		
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			he was leaving the mosque.
		
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			So that's the first group, the Khawarij. So
		
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			that's what they believe. If you commit a
		
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			a mortal sin, whether it's a small sin
		
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			from the minor sin,
		
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			or from the major sins, the kavahim.
		
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			You forfeited the rights of community, you apostate
		
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			it,
		
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			and you are to be killed.
		
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			This type of mentality.
		
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			The second group are called the Shia. Now,
		
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			I'm coming from a Sunni perspective.
		
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			Right? So if there's if I was a
		
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			Shia, for example, you would hear a very
		
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			different story. Right? So I'm coming from the
		
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			perspective of a Sunni Muslim.
		
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			So the Shia partisans of Ali, these are
		
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			viewed as diametrically close to the Khawarij.
		
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			In other words, they,
		
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			would come to believe that the 4th caliph
		
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			Ali was an infallible imam or leader.
		
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			Infallible. So they impute upon him a prophetic
		
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			attribute, as Muslims believe the prophets are infallible
		
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			or free of major sin,
		
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			and that he was ordained by God. The
		
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			Shia believed that Adi was ordained by God
		
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			to inherit
		
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			the temporal,
		
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			caliphate, the temporal kingdom
		
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			of the prophet, and they also believe certain
		
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			companions of the prophet,
		
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			took advantage of the situation of the death
		
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			of the prophet, and usurped power in order
		
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			to take the caliphate
		
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			away from the caliph,
		
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			Ali. This is the largest sectarian today in
		
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			the Muslim world, the Shia. The third group
		
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			are called the Mujassima,
		
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			the anthropomorphous.
		
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			Right?
		
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			So these are people who made literal
		
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			or interpretation
		
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			of Quranic verses that ostensibly
		
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			that apparently
		
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			indicated,
		
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			anthropomorphism.
		
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			For example, in the Quran, you read the
		
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			which can be translated the eye of God
		
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			or which
		
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			can be translated
		
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			the hand of God or the Saab, the
		
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			Shin. Right? So the anthropomorphism, the Mujassima, they
		
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			would take these verses as literal. So God
		
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			literally has
		
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			a hand. It's made of substance.
		
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			He's in he's located in his creation.
		
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			He's physically seated on the throne. He's wearing
		
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			a robe. He has certain facial features like
		
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			that. Very anthropomorphic.
		
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			Right? They're giving they're ascribing human qualities or
		
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			or created qualities
		
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			to the divine.
		
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			Right?
		
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			So they say God has just a more
		
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			of that. He has a compartmentalized
		
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			body, for example.
		
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			He dwells within his creation. So this idea
		
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			of of substance,
		
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			right, Ajiram in Arabic, this was also found
		
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			to be very problematic amongst
		
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			Christian theologians in the late 4th century. In
		
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			the Nicene Creed, it says that Jesus shares
		
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			a substantia with God, and they found this
		
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			they found this term substantia to be,
		
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			scandalous. So they removed it from the term,
		
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			from the creed in 381 of the common
		
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			era. Muslims had a similar,
		
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			run-in with the word substance, with the majesima.
		
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			And God is not made of substance,
		
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			but Quran says,
		
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			that there's nothing like God. And one of
		
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			the, attributes of God, according to theologians is
		
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			which
		
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			means that he is completely
		
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			dissimilar to creation. And that's eventually became the
		
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			Sunni position, the orthodox
		
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			position. Other groups, the Jabariya,
		
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			these are the determinist,
		
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			they said that man has no absolute
		
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			man has no volition, he has no free
		
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			will. He is compelled to act, therefore, he
		
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			is not taken to account, which means eventually,
		
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			they came to deny the existence of *.
		
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			Right? Right? And of course, * is from
		
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			the super rational transmissions. It's mentioned in hadith,
		
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			it's mentioned in Quran, so that was deemed
		
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			unacceptable position.
		
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			And then you have Qadariah, the dualist.
		
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			Man has absolute volition.
		
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			God has nothing to do with evil nothing
		
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			to do with evil. He didn't create it.
		
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			He's not he's not pleased with it. He
		
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			didn't has nothing to do with it. So
		
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			this was their answer to theodicy, the problem
		
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			of evil in the world. They were called
		
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			the Muslim
		
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			Zoroastrians, because Zoroastrians were dualistic, leaving 2 gods.
		
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			Right? God of good, God of evil.
		
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			The most challenging group to the Proto Sunni
		
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			or Puerto Orthodox
		
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			were the rationalist,
		
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			the the
		
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			rationalist.
		
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			And part of the reason that they were
		
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			so challenging is because they actually ruled the
		
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			caliphate
		
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			for over 200 years. So they were the
		
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			ones in power for over 200 years, and
		
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			they would actually,
		
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			they would persecute proto orthodox scholars,
		
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			for espousing certain beliefs. For example, the Muerteselite
		
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			caliphs,
		
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			believe that the Quran was created. This was
		
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			a major issue
		
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			back during this time. Is the Quran created?
		
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			Is it uncreated?
		
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			So So the most satisfying position is the
		
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			Quran is created. The Sunni position is that
		
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			it's uncreated.
		
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			So any scholar that that espoused that the
		
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			Quran or taught his flock, that the Quran
		
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			was,
		
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			was,
		
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			uncreated,
		
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			was sometimes tortured, persecuted, sometimes killed.
		
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			One such scholar, Ahmad ibn Uhambal, who is
		
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			a scholar who got his own,
		
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			codified school of jurisprudence.
		
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			He had reached a level of complete juristic
		
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			and methodological
		
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			independence known as Ijihad Mudlak. He was actually
		
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			tortured by the caliph,
		
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			Mahmoon because he said the Quran is uncreated.
		
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			There's another scholar, Imam Shafi'i,
		
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			who also was summoned to the caliph, and
		
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			the caliph asked him, do you say that
		
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			the Quran is
		
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			is uncreated?
		
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			And he was very clever. So, Imam Shafi'i,
		
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			he, he he said the the Torah,
		
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			the gospel, the Psalms in the Quran, all
		
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			of them are created.
		
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			Right? So the caliph said, oh, great, you
		
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			know, that's beautiful. You can you're free to
		
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			go. So, Imam Shazri, he went back to
		
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			his students and his students said, we heard
		
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			a rumor. Did did you say that the
		
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			Quran
		
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			was created?
		
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			And he said, no. All I did was
		
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			point to my fingers
		
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			and say, all of these are created. My
		
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			fingers.
		
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			I just mentioned the 4 books and I
		
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			pointed to my fingers and he let me
		
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			go.
		
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			So Weltazilites also, they so for the Weltazilites,
		
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			remember we talked about the semireats, super rational
		
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			transmission.
		
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			This the Motesilites,
		
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			they denied the semireats.
		
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			They believe in theology, through the Nabuwad, prophetology,
		
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			but they said the sun riyat, they're not
		
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			super irrational. They're irrational. We're not gonna believe
		
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			in them. There's no punishment in the grave.
		
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			That's that's allegory. The prophet did not travel
		
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			in body from Mecca to Jerusalem. That's ridiculous.
		
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			There is no,
		
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			the physical bodies arise from the dead. It's
		
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			it's gone. It's it's completely it defaults. It's
		
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			all done. It's gone. But they believe in
		
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			the soul, they believe in the afterlife.
		
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			But some of these suprachinal transmissions, they did
		
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			not believe in.
		
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			They also rejected
		
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			divine attributes.
		
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			They saw this as imputing
		
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			plurality
		
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			upon the deity.
		
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			Right? So,
		
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			the Moqesilites,
		
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			would say, God doesn't have attributes.
		
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			He is,
		
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			he is omnipotent in his very essence, whereas
		
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			the Sunni position is that omnipotence
		
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			is an attribute that is in addition to
		
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			the essence,
		
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			but it's not attached nor detached from it.
		
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			So it's I mean, from our perspective, who
		
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			cares about this? But this was a major
		
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			issue during this time. So for example, what
		
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			test flights would say, this pen isn't blue.
		
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			Right? It's blue and it's very essence. Blue
		
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			is the pen, and
		
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			and and the pen is blue. There's no
		
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			difference between blue and pen. It all emanates
		
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			from the essence. Whereas the Sony position would
		
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			be, this is a pen, and it has
		
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			an attribute of being blue.
		
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			But outside of this essence, blue doesn't have
		
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			any meaning, which obviously is not true because
		
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			you have blue sky or blue cars, you
		
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			have blue hats, and so on and so
		
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			forth. But obviously,
		
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			every every analogy I give will be will
		
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			fall short because we're talking about these issues
		
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			that are very hard to conceptualize.
		
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			But apparently, this was an extremely big deal
		
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			at the time. Does God have attributes? Does
		
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			God not have attributes?
		
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			So the Metasulite said, God does not have
		
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			attributes.
		
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			They also believe that man creates his own
		
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			actions.
		
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			Right? In other words, man man creates evil.
		
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			So the the Sunni orthodoxy will look at
		
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			this and say, how can you say that
		
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			God didn't create something?
		
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			How can man create something? There's only one
		
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			creator, and they would charge them for being
		
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			polytheistic
		
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			by saying that. Mhmm.
		
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			Motesiaulites also believed that works give salvation.
		
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			Works give salvation. It's a misnomer even today
		
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			if you're familiar with like,
		
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			in polemical writings against Islam,
		
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			by like Christian apologists and polemicists. They'll say
		
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			Muslims believe for example, that if you're 51%
		
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			good and 49% evil, you go to heaven.
		
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			If you're 51% evil and 49% bad, then
		
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			you go to *. So your deeds are
		
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			way it's because the Quran talks about scales
		
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			and things like that, but the orthodox position
		
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			has always been, the sun the proto sunni
		
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			position has always been that a person is
		
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			safe only by the grace of God, not
		
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			by their
		
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			deeds. Although the deeds, are a byproduct of
		
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			faith in God.
		
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			So this is just quick descriptions.
		
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			So this was during the formative years, the
		
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			clarification process. And now we move into codification.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			So the Proto Sunni fathers
		
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			from the late 1st century,
		
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			to the early 3rd century. Okay. So now
		
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			actually we're back here in the clarification.
		
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			They're working under the framework of Sunni orthodoxy.
		
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			So some of these scholars, Abu Hanifa, for
		
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			example,
		
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			Malik ibn Anas, Abu Mohammed ibn Iqiz,
		
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			These proto orthodox,
		
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			Muslim scholars.
		
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			And
		
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			of course, the we saw these are the
		
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			equivalent
		
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			of, for example, Justin Martyr, Eusebius,
		
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			Irenaeus in the Christian tradition.
		
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			So by the late 3rd century, early 4th
		
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			century, much like again we saw in the
		
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			Christian tradition, we have the great codifiers of
		
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			creed.
		
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			And 3 men
		
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			stand above the rest, and they're on the
		
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			handout here.
		
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			The first one, Abu Mansur al Naturidi,
		
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			who died in 944
		
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			of
		
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			the Common Era.
		
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			He's from the Samad Khan. He was a
		
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			Persian.
		
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			Abu Hasan al Ashaid,
		
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			who was, from Iraq, 936
		
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			of the common era.
		
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			So these 2 men worked independently,
		
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			yet they came to very similar
		
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			conclusions. They differ in minor areas
		
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			that are considered to be negligible.
		
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			So the definition, the traditional definition of a
		
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			Sunni Muslim is a Muslim who adheres
		
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			to the theological school of either or
		
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			Ashari,
		
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			or both.
		
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			And some say there's a third school, the
		
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			school, or the Salafi school as well. But
		
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			definitely, the school of these two men is
		
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			considered to be Sunni orthodoxy.
		
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			So what are some of the differences between
		
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			the two? For example,
		
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			Imam Ash'ari said that it's conceivable for a
		
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			woman to be a prophet,
		
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			and there's an opinion amongst the Ash'aris that
		
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			Mary, the mother of Jesus was a prophetess,
		
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			or that Asiya, the wife of the pharaoh
		
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			was a prophetess.
		
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			The matrimedi say this is only an office
		
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			or a function of men, That's one of
		
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			the differences.
		
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			Another difference,
		
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			this actually is a big difference,
		
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			I think,
		
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			is the Ashaddis,
		
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			say
		
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			that, the intellect must be aided by
		
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			revelation
		
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			in order to arrive at true theology.
		
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			Whereas a maturity position is the intellect is
		
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			sufficient
		
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			to know God.
		
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			Right? So, Imam Ashari said, there's 4 conditions
		
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			that make it incumbent upon someone to become
		
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			Muslim,
		
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			for example. And 3 of them, Imam Maturidi
		
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			agreed with. They are intellect, they are maturity,
		
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			and the third one is,
		
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			what's the third one? Intellect maturity,
		
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			sound senses,
		
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			they're not blind and deaf. They can be
		
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			either or, but not blind and deaf.
		
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			The 4th one, Imam al Shali said,
		
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			and it's unique in his opinion, is that
		
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			he said,
		
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			that a a correct prophetic summons
		
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			should have reached that person.
		
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			That if a correct prophetic summons, the correct
		
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			message of a prophet, whether it's prophet Moses
		
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			or Jesus, or Mohammed, or Abraham, or Noah,
		
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			and any prophet. If a person was not
		
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			reached by that message in a good form,
		
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			a correct form, not a corrupted form, if
		
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			it didn't reach that person, then they're not
		
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			responsible to believe in God
		
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			because the intellect is not enough to arrive
		
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			at true theology. Must be aided by revelation.
		
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			Right?
		
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			So I think that's actually a pretty major
		
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			difference.
		
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			Interestingly, Abu Hassan al Ashari was a Mu'thesilite
		
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			for over 30 years.
		
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			He was a Mu'thesilite scholar. He studied under
		
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			Abu Adi
		
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			the Motesilite master.
		
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			And then he became and then he left
		
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			that and joined the proto Sunni movement in
		
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			the 4th century, and eventually became one of
		
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			its great codifieds.
		
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			The 3rd scholar here, Abu Jafa at Tahawi,
		
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			he was from Egypt.
		
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			I have a copy of his creed called
		
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			at Tahawiya,
		
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			and I want to actually quote from the
		
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			creed to demonstrate to you the polemical nature,
		
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			the responsive nature, reactionary nature of creedal statements.
		
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			So what are these 3 men do? They
		
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			refined and systematize
		
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			the beliefs of their predecessors.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			So the creed of Imam Abu Dhabi is
		
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			the simplest and the most popular
		
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			creed. It's only a 130 statements.
		
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			Rowan Williams,
		
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			who was the Archbishop of Canterbury,
		
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			he read the creed and he liked it,
		
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			and he encourages his diocese. In fact, all
		
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			Christians, all Catholics and Protestants to read this
		
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			book, to get a good idea, an authentic
		
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			idea as to what Muslims actually believe in.
		
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			Right? Here it's from a poor orthodox Muslim
		
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			scholar from the formative years of Islam, and
		
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			not from,
		
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			you know, some pundit or something like that.
		
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			So he said, read this book. So
		
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			we're gonna look at a few of these
		
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			statements and we'll end with this,
		
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			god willing,
		
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			just to demonstrate to you the nature of
		
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			creative literature. Remember we said from the outset,
		
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			the nature of creative literature is that it's
		
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			responsive. So he he says here in statement
		
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			74, he
		
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			says,
		
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			says, we do not dissent
		
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			from the majority of Muslims.
		
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			Right? And claiming the majority legitimizes
		
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			his creed because there's a hadith of the
		
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			prophet, which is considered to be a sound
		
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			hadith in which he said, Oh,
		
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			that the the
		
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			the literally hand of God or the the
		
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			protective
		
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			power of God
		
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			is with the majority.
		
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			Right? So this is this statement is aimed
		
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			or directed against heterodox
		
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			denominations. Statement number 56,
		
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			he says here,
		
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			So he says those saved are ultimately saved
		
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			by God's decision or grace, and those damned
		
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			are ultimately damned by God's decision. So this
		
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			is a polemic against who? The Marteselite,
		
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			the rationalist who said a person's deeds give
		
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			them salvation
		
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			or give them eternal damnation.
		
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			Another example,
		
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			statement 107 in the creed.
		
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			Oh, this is a it's a good one.
		
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			That human actions are God's creations, but humanity's
		
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			acquisitions.
		
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			So this is the Sunni way of dealing
		
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			with theodicy,
		
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			the problem of evil, that God created evil.
		
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			He created everything. He created evil actions, but
		
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			since man has limited free will, he will
		
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			take the consequences of those actions because of
		
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			a limited free will. So this goes against
		
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			the Mortezevites.
		
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			It's a polemic against them because Mortezilites said
		
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			man creates their own actions. It's against the
		
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			determinist,
		
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			right, who said man has no volition and
		
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			against the, dualist as well. So man has
		
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			absolute volition.
		
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			Right? Human actions are created by God, even
		
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			evil actions. God created everything. God is the
		
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			only creator. But since man has a limited
		
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			free will,
		
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			that he takes the consequences of those actions.
		
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			Couple more here are interesting.
		
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			Al Emmanuel so this is number, 80.
		
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			Statement 80 out of 130.
		
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			I'm sorry.
		
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			Statement number 79, actually. The believer does not
		
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			lose his or her faith except by denying
		
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			that which made him or her a believer.
		
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			So this is a calamity against the Khawarij.
		
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			Right? The seceders who said what? That if
		
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			a Muslim commits a mortal sin, whether small
		
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			or large, if a Muslim lies to someone
		
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			or cheats someone, they've left Islam, they will
		
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			apostate it. So here he's saying that unless
		
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			a Muslim denies that which made him or
		
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			her a Muslim, right, then they're still a
		
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			Muslim. In other words, if they if they
		
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			deny a an essential article of faith, then
		
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			they leave the faith. Not because they did
		
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			some
		
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			sin. The Muslim position is everyone commits the
		
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			sin
		
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			commit sins.
		
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			Couple more here. 1 number 118
		
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			and 119.
		
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			We love the companions of God's messenger, and
		
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			we do not have extreme love for any
		
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			of them.
		
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			And we assert the caliphate after the passing
		
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			of the messenger went to Abu Bakr as
		
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			Asadik. So this is a polemic against Shia,
		
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			who were saying that certain companions of the
		
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			prophet usurped his that Hadith caliphate.
		
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			So he works this into a creed
		
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			as well.
		
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			Number 35,
		
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			almost done here.
		
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			Yeah. I have a little time.
		
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			It's interesting. In in the Quran
		
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			that the Quran
		
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			is the word of God.
		
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			Emanated from God without modality
		
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			and it's it's in it's expression. There's no
		
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			modality.
		
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			There's no how. It's beyond comprehension.
		
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			It is unlike human speech
		
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			which is, it is unlike human speech which
		
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			is created.
		
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			Whoever hears and says, this is like human
		
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			speech, has disbelieved.
		
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			So this is a polemic against again, the
		
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			Mu'tazilites
		
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			who said the Quran was created not uncreated.
		
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			The Sunni position is that the Quran reflects
		
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			pre eternal meanings.
		
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			It's an attribute of God, therefore, it's uncreated.
		
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			The last one here,
		
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			Whoever describes God as having human characteristics
		
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			as disbelief, and obviously this is a polemic
		
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			directed against the Mujessima
		
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			or the anthropomorphous,
		
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			or very literal in their interpretation
		
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			of verses on the Quran.
		
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			So the conclusion is
		
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			Islamic creed did not fall out of the
		
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			sky.
		
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			It was the product
		
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			of 3 centuries of rigorous scholarship in the
		
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			face of other religious traditions,
		
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			heterodox
		
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			understandings,
		
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			as well as socio political
		
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			factors. Therefore, credo literature tends to be responsive
		
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			and polemical
		
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			in nature.
		
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			So that's the end of my spiel, to
		
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			use a Yiddish word.
		
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			If there's any questions or comments,
		
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			I'll try to entertain them.
		
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			If not,
		
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			thank you for coming. I appreciate the opportunity.
		
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			Yes,
		
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			sir.
		
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			So you mentioned that Imam Abu Mansur and
		
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			Imam Abu Hassan,
		
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			fall under the majority of the Sunnis. Yeah.
		
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			What exactly is he? Because Yes. What did
		
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			you say?
		
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			Imam Attaawi,
		
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			he was a contemporary of Ashadi,
		
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			and Naturdidi.
		
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			So his creedal articulation,
		
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			is considered to be
		
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			valid by both the Asharis and the Naturdidis.
		
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			Okay. So,
		
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			he didn't have a,
		
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			his students did not codify his opinions. It
		
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			just happened like that. That this that the
		
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			students of Ashadi and Machu Didi, they codify
		
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			their teachers opinions because they're probably more popular
		
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			than at Tahereh. But
		
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			as time went on, the creed of Aptahawy
		
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			became the most popular creedal treatise
		
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			even more than the the the the creed
		
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			of Asharia and Mataridi. That's why I'm quoting
		
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			from the creed of Imam Mata Hawi.
		
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			But he himself,
		
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			his
		
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			his juristic
		
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			identity was Hanafi,
		
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			and he's considered to be,
		
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			Machuidi.
		
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			He's more leaning towards Machuidi
		
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			than his Akita,
		
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			based on his statements.
		
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			But he's basically
		
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			summarizing
		
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			the opinions
		
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			of Ashari and
		
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			but his opinions weren't codified like the other
		
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			2 men were. There could have been a
		
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			third school of theology known as the Tahawiak
		
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			or something, it just wasn't codified.
		
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			But it's as simple as creed. It's only,
		
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			like I said, only a 130 statements.
		
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			It's pretty easy to follow.
		
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			So this is this is the book that
		
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			I recommend to,
		
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			non Muslims who want even Muslims who want
		
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			to know what do the Orthodox say about
		
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			Islamic creed or Islamic belief.
		
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			And difference of opinion is something that is
		
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			been in this religious community in Islam since
		
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			the very beginning.
		
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			Imam Ash Ali, he wanted to write a
		
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			book on the differences,
		
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			the juristic differences amongst the 4 scholars.
		
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			Just a book on the differences within the
		
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			Sunni orthodoxy, and it turned out to be
		
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			a 130 volumes along, just on the differences
		
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			within Sunni orthodoxy.
		
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			So there's a lot of it's certainly not
		
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			a monolithic,
		
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			tradition. There's a lot of diversity even today.
		
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			Christianity, Islam, Judaism, they're very very diverse.
		
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			Any
		
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			comments or questions? I'm gonna I'm gonna bore
		
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			anyone.
		
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			Obviously, this is ongoing very fast.
		
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			Yes. Yes. Yes, sir. I think,
		
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			I'm trying to read my notes here. Okay.
		
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			He said there was about a 1,000 statements
		
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			are hadith, like about 3,000,000 that are considered
		
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			critical.
		
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			Is that is that common to
		
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			the Shia as well? Or is that just
		
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			specific to Sunni? Good question. So there's Yeah.
		
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			There's millions of hadith. 1,000
		
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			or so are considered to be multiply attested.
		
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			Those are Those 1,000 hadith
		
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			scholars of Sunni orthodoxy
		
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			have derived creedal statements and legislation.
		
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			The Shia have different books of hadith. They
		
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			don't accept
		
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			the vast majority of the hadith of the
		
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			Sunnis,
		
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			and the reasoning behind it is that they
		
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			believe the narrators of those hadith are unreliable.
		
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			For example,
		
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			out of the 6 companions of the prophet
		
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			to narrate over a 1000 hadith,
		
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			one of them was Aisha, the prophet's wife,
		
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			and the Shia have very unfavorable opinion about
		
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			her.
		
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			And Abu Hebreira also, he's a companion of
		
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			the prophet, a very unfavorable opinion of him
		
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			as well for various reasons.
		
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			So the vast majority they don't accept.
		
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			They would accept hadith related for example by
		
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			Adi, which are only about a there's only
		
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			a 142
		
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			of them.
		
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			Only 142 hadith related by the Caleb Hadith.
		
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			So those they would tentatively accept, but they
		
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			have their own hadith collections.
		
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			Shia creed,
		
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			is it's at times significant significantly different than
		
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			than Sunni creed.
		
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			But most Sunnis would say that,
		
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			even with that said, they're still considered to
		
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			be within the fold of Islam.
		
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			There are some conservative
		
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			Hanafis, for example, that would say that they're
		
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			they're they're they're not Muslim, but that's a
		
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			very much minority opinion
		
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			from
		
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			a
		
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			credal
		
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			standpoint.