Akram Nadwi – Should women leave the masjid before men

Akram Nadwi
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The speaker discusses the use of the partition in Islamic centers and the potential for women to stay there. They emphasize the importance of men and women staying in the mosque for better chances of learning Islam, and encourage men to encourage women to come and make an effort to improve. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of reforming society and bringing people to the mosque for better chances of learning.

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			Assalamu alaikum, Sheikh. May Allah bless and preserve
		
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			you and your family.
		
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			In regards to the partition in the Masjid,
		
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			I guess more in a possible American context,
		
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			not all the Islamic centers
		
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			would be near or the masajid would be
		
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			near where people live.
		
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			And,
		
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			in the Medina setting, the prophet salallahu alayhi
		
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			wa sallam, people would walk home. So many
		
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			people who would be coming to the Masjid
		
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			in America would be taking a
		
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			car coming with their whole family. So
		
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			and adding on to that, I believe I
		
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			don't remember the reference right now, but there's
		
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			a hadith of, Salma
		
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			radiAllahu anha. And she alludes to that the
		
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			woman would,
		
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			after the Rasulam, you know, led the salah,
		
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			they would get up and leave, and they
		
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			wouldn't stay for the arathkar.
		
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			But the men would,
		
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			assuming that they would be going home because
		
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			they can walk home. But in the context
		
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			of Masjid, they're not near houses. You women
		
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			would stay there, do all their dhikr,
		
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			while sitting down after the salah and they
		
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			would pray their sunnah salah, which is common
		
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			in many masjids in the US.
		
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			So they would be staying there with the
		
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			men.
		
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			Adding on to that,
		
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			you describe and I often heard your explanation,
		
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			Alhamdulillah, it's very beneficial,
		
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			often focus on the, at least from my
		
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			understanding, the ideal scenario of woman covering. But
		
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			the reality in many Masjid is that the
		
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			woman
		
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			will not be in jilbaab or they won't
		
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			be in a modest,
		
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			clothing. And even if the imam addresses that
		
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			often, it's not often followed the advice and
		
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			they still come in the dressing that's not
		
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			according to the sunnah.
		
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			So my question is that
		
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			in this scenario of a of a masajid
		
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			that the women are going to stay after
		
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			the salah finishes. They're not going to move.
		
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			They're going to do the thickr. They're going
		
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			to stay for their sunnah salah. And if
		
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			there are women who are not appropriately dressed,
		
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			is your fatwa still the same for no
		
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			barrier being in the masjid in that scenario?
		
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			You know, first thing,
		
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			you know, we may live, you know, before
		
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			the men. It was because, you know,
		
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			the space was very narrow
		
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			and exit was, you know, same entrance for
		
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			both men and women. So they're crowded, same
		
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			exit. But if there are many, many girls
		
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			and and when the prophet made the world
		
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			girls for women, things have changed. So like
		
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			now in the mosque of Madinah Mecca, nobody
		
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			said men stay and then women go.
		
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			It it it was only when if you
		
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			have a mosque,
		
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			but very small affair with just a space
		
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			and only one door for many women aboard,
		
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			certainly, we have to make an effort because,
		
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			you know, we don't want many women to
		
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			be caught on on the door. But if
		
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			there are 2 exits, 2 doors, that's for
		
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			2 different interests, 2 different. So nothing to
		
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			do with that. Men will stay, women will
		
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			stay. They want to do sunnah. They want
		
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			to stay there as long as they like
		
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			it. You know, there's no problem. Always have
		
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			been in in Haram. Both Haram. Men and
		
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			women stay. Women used to do tawaf. They
		
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			used to do,
		
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			at the in the mosque, the the the
		
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			the the the the the the the the
		
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			the the the the the the the the
		
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			the the the the the the the the
		
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			the the the the the the the the
		
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			the the the the the the the the
		
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			the the the the the the the the
		
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			the the the the the the the the
		
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			the the the the the the the the
		
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			the the the the the the the the
		
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			the the the the most was very small
		
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			and only one girl. But when the made
		
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			more other girls and he allowed the, you
		
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			know, they're fine. The women can go, you
		
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			know,
		
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			as they want.
		
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			So that hadith is for that purpose. You
		
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			know, it's not that women always
		
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			it never happened Islam
		
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			that in later centuries that men stay in
		
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			the mosque and women live. This was only
		
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			early,
		
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			very, very early. After that, you know, men
		
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			and women both are going together. They're walking
		
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			together. Even Omar Khattab al Latran, he cares
		
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			for the mosque and women come for the
		
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			mosque, and he talks with them, and there's
		
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			so many incidents of his talking to the
		
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			women. The women have left earlier. How can
		
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			he talk with them?
		
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			You know, the people used to do that
		
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			was when there's a very small, narrow space.
		
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			They can't go anywhere.
		
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			Is it clear? With the clothes.
		
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			Yeah. To women, sometimes what happen?
		
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			People can come to the mosque when they
		
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			don't have prepared clothes.
		
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			But they're coming to the mosque that tells
		
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			you they're turning to Allah. You know, people
		
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			who turn to Allah, they are different from
		
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			those who turn away from Allah. Though to
		
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			turn to Allah,
		
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			then they are different. They're believers. They're they're
		
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			coming for prayer. They're not coming to to
		
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			to effort. They're coming for another purpose. Then
		
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			we should respect them. We should really encourage
		
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			them. And then gradually make effort, they will
		
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			improve. 1st time they will come, 2nd time,
		
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			you know, sometimes they will know. If you
		
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			make condition, the condition of the mosque of
		
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			coming to the mosque is this. For many
		
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			women who are coming from the society where
		
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			they know they have no idea. Not right.
		
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			Though you're covering that, but they don't learn
		
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			at home. They're not learning at home. They
		
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			don't know really this Islam. First time they're
		
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			coming, they come like they think like any
		
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			space.
		
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			So when they come in our time, encourage
		
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			them. Let them come, you know, and, you
		
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			know, encourage them, Insha'Allah, after a while, they
		
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			will do. And
		
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			I remember some some some girls, you know,
		
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			they started coming to my Bukhary class, and
		
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			they were not covering properly.
		
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			So
		
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			people people would say that that, you know,
		
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			Sheikh Jarrah is taking Buhari to the women
		
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			who are not covered properly. How can Buhari
		
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			disrespect Buhari? But I thought, no, this is
		
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			not the right way. Let them come. Bukhary
		
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			will make them to call. And it happened
		
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			after a while. Some of them actually said
		
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			to me they become the and
		
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			this and that. That how they were. All
		
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			of that make a difference between 2 types
		
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			of people, the people who paint, who is
		
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			coming to you. The painting will differ from
		
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			those who turn away from you. If
		
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			if somebody comes to the person, if somebody
		
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			comes to him and says, I kiss a
		
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			woman.
		
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			This person is different from somebody who kiss
		
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			and then he runs away. They're not both
		
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			two things. If somebody kisses the woman and
		
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			runs away,
		
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			it's different. If somebody kisses the woman and
		
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			he comes to the person, he's a different
		
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			person. Somebody coming to the mosque, it's completely
		
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			different matter. Try to understand this matter. That
		
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			why, you know, I don't like it when
		
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			the people actually make so much for the
		
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			women who come to the mosque, you know,
		
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			because they're coming from an environment which is
		
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			the ignorance.
		
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			Encourage them. You know, help them. And also
		
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			men, many men will come in not appropriate
		
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			clothes. Don't worry.
		
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			Coming to the mosque will help to one
		
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			step to Allah.
		
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			To where somebody comes one step to Allah,
		
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			Allah comes even more. People walk to Allah,
		
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			Allah runs to them. To always look at
		
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			the matter, you know, from this angle. And
		
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			that's how the prophet has been dealing. When
		
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			people come to him as a painting, then
		
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			he treats them differently. And you will see
		
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			the changes. To always be reformer. Always have
		
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			sincere adviser to the people, and always think
		
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			positively that this person has come to the
		
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			mosque. In the next time, he will be
		
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			more approved and coming to the mosque, help
		
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			the person to become more pious. And if
		
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			you make the condition only people who have
		
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			to put their cloth, they can come to
		
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			the mosque. Nothing will happen. So I I
		
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			I this is actually my opinion, and I've
		
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			been teaching the people
		
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			that when people come to Allah,
		
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			they will come. Encourage them.
		
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			Whatever condition come. People drunk. People if somebody,
		
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			you know, kills someone, any crime, coming to
		
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			Allah, will come the person. If somebody turns
		
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			away from Allah, there is a different person.
		
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			You know, this coming to Allah is repenting.
		
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			You know, it's very, very big. Coming to
		
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			the mosque is a big thing. Even actually,
		
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			when peep people said that we will, you
		
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			know, lead the prayer, you know, in the
		
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			mosque, and women only mosque.
		
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			I I I'm not a guy, you know,
		
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			I do I do think it's sooner. I
		
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			don't encourage that, but I feel really what
		
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			they're doing is they're coming to doing this
		
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			for sake of Allah. They're not doing something
		
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			wrong.
		
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			They're misunderstanding
		
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			in this matter, but they want to free
		
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			the Lord. They worshiping the Lord with mistake.
		
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			Somebody who worship his Lord with mistake is
		
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			a different person for compared to the person
		
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			who does not obey. Then now listen. To
		
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			commit to the most in any condition is
		
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			a big thing. You know, if somebody goes
		
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			in a tub
		
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			to to a pub,
		
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			we are not going to allow that because
		
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			this is turning away from Allah. Even in
		
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			a tub, by some kind to the mosque,
		
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			you know, without any covering, you know, to
		
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			build them. This heart is so so pure,
		
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			so clean, and one day, your body will
		
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			be clean. Or even understand this thing properly.
		
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			Anybody repenting or painting, coming to Allah is
		
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			always different from those who turn away from
		
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			Allah. And don't worry about their clothes, whatever
		
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			their past has been. Don't worry about that.
		
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			Because Allah is if Allah says people come
		
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			to me
		
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			with the sins full of oceans, I will
		
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			come to them with forgiveness
		
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			full of ocean.