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The Bible is a complete and universal framework for understanding the existence of God. The holy spirit is seen as inspiring and has the potential to create false statements. The discussion touches on the use of "has" in various context, including religion and the relationship between Christian and Islamic faith. The speaker provides examples of how "has" is used in various contexts, including in the Bible and in various countries. They emphasize the importance of understanding the Bible and its historical context, as well as their recent acquisitions and growth potential.AI Generated Transcript ©
This is the extended version just open Isaiah 37 and agreed,
blows and COVID himself Exactly. And went into the house of the Lord,
as I call it, yes. And being on verse 14, Hezekiah, received a letter from the hand of the messengers and vetted and Hezekiah, an own word for word the same, yes, but I'm not reading from the book of Isaiah, and reading from the Book of Kings.
These things have not been
see these strings here, they look alike identical. Page, four pages the same, but they are not the same.
I mentioned this is the 1952 version. And this is the 1971 version of the RSV Revised Standard Version. And I have here a part poisoning
case. And you have testified for the audience that you have the true faith in Jesus
telling you what I'm going to do.
Hi, I'm shaking a little bit.
Excuse me.
You see, you asked me if I believe in Jesus. And I want to tell you, I believe in Jesus as it is written in the Gospels. I don't believe in Jesus as it is written in the Quran.
If you want to kill me, I must have five minutes more,
has different kinds of translations.
Following exactly the same principle, as when the Bible has been translated, I can prove that reading from this one that was translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, and reading from this one that we bought in Lahore, Pakistan, translated by Maulana Muhammad Ali.
Every translation has
an Arabic text. In other words, this is what we say the word of God, the translation is not infallible. Your translator is infallible. That means not every translation is the word of God. He said, No, the Word of God is the Arabic word that you're talking about. But as far as the Bible is concerned, I was this produced text to say that one or men, dancing is not given. The corral denies that Jesus is Messiah. And I believe in the in the way the Bible says that Jesus is the king of kings, and the Lord of lords.
Prophet that says that Jesus is the crisis of God. And this is the only faith after Jesus Christ the only non Christian faith which explains and speaks to the whole world that Jesus is the Christ, who made us to say that Muhammad and Rob logbook says that whoever promises that is so
Bismillah R Rahman r Rahim
In the Name of Allah, the God Almighty, the kind dimasi
sisters and brothers. Ladies and gentlemen,
I welcome you with Islamic greetings As salam o Alaikum.
May God's peace be with you?
We are grateful to pastor Stanley for offering us this opportunity of discussion.
entitled, is the Bible. True Word of God?
It is Mr. deedat first trip to Scandinavia.
Many people refer to him
as Professor deedat.
Dr. Data
allama deedat.
Mr. deedat during his lecture time,
does not avail the opportunity of putting forward an apology.
I therefore have to inform you that he is not a professor. He is not a doctor, and he is not an alarmist.
He is a layman
self taught,
self educated
Muslim scholar of the Christian Bible.
He will brothers and sisters this evening, share his experiences with you. inshallah.
I would now like to hand you over to Sister Mary Nelson, who is the CO chairman of this meeting, Sister Maria Nelson.
So, in the name of Jesus Christ, I also want to wish all of you welcome here tonight.
I would like to present to you Mr. Stanley shoberg. I am sure that many of you have heard of him, and also that perhaps many of you have seen him before.
He is the pastor of a church here in Stockholm,
and has lived here in Stockholm for many years. But he has also lived in Muslim countries. And he's well known for having helped out Muslims socially and medically.
First and practical reasons, I would like to inform you now how we're going to about the session.
First, we will let Mr. added that speak for 15 minutes.
After that, Mr. Stanley shoberg will speak for 16 minutes
after the speech of Mr. shoberg. Mr. Eddie, that would come back for another 10 minutes.
When the speeches are over,
he will invite all those who have questions to line up.
The ones who have a question for Mr. shoberg. please line up right there
on this side of the podium.
For those who have questions to Mr. added up, please line up here. And you will be asked to come forward and pronounce your question.
We ask you kindly to be as precise and as short as possible. Our time limit tonight is nine o'clock and we cannot exceed that.
So we will soon start. I hope you all feel very welcome.
Sisters and brothers. Ladies and gentlemen. Before I hand you over to charity, the first speaker this evening,
I would like to point out that it is a discussion.
And we must in a meeting of this nature contain our sentiments and emotions.
I would now like to request at the first speaker to please proceed
shaytan al rajim Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem,
Mr. Chairman, and my dear brothers and sisters
before
the timekeeper starts timing, I would like to make a plea request that I would like to personally thank
pastor Stanley
for the wonderful gift
he had sent to me to South Africa,
the personal tape
in introducing himself to me
and the manner in which he speaks if there was a facility and if there was a limit
This time, I would like you all to hear, Pastor Stanley speaking to me, addressing me with the love, and the humility, tremendous humility.
He won my heart.
And if humility and beautiful
can convert a person.
As soon as I arrived here in Stockholm, I would assess them out. So Brother, take me and have me baptized.
But
in return,
I would like to
say
that I also like to present you with something the most valuable thing that I have.
And that is
this holy book.
We Muslims called this book, The Last testament,
of course, the pastor will challenge me. So look, we know about the Old Testament, we know about the New Testament, but we have not heard anything about the last testament. I says, No, that is what I'm here to educate people about. That if there is such a thing as an Old Testament. And if there is such a thing as a New Testament, there is also such a thing as a last testament, this last testament happens to be the Holy Quran. And I'm presenting this to pastor that may be in this later life of his as he goes along, that this book of God might have some chance of chimneys.
This book here is an encyclopedia is an encyclopedia 2000 pages. I do not expect him, or any one of you, if you have one. They are available in the foyer outside these books here. 2000 pages, how are you going to have access to it?
You see, to make things easy for the pastor, I'm telling him as well as you all that at the back of this book, there isn't a comprehensive index. If you browse through the index, the things that because you look up the subjects Don't try to wade through from page one to 2000, don't
we? Nobody seems to have got the time to do things exercise like that. Now in the index, what do you want to know about God and the G? Everything you want to know about Jesus, open J. Everything about Jesus? You will know what the Quran says about the Christians. Good Christians, like where they're standing. What does the Quran say?
It says,
this
letter didn't occur above Mark lilla tsunami, Allah, Xena, Paulina, Massara. valleca
Sina was born on one life.
This is the nearest to you the Muslims in faith, without find those who say we are Christians, with
the nearest to the believer to the Muslims, we are fine those who say we are Christians, because among them, among the Christians, the Quran says there are men devoted to learning
men who have renounced the world.
And men who are not arrogant.
And the commentator, he described this quality about the Christian the good Christian.
And reading from the book,
chapter five
verse 85,
what's going on day
85 the commentary on the verse it says, The meaning is not that they merely call themselves Christians, but they are such sincere Christians, that they appreciate Muslim virtues. They appreciate Muslim voters
as the the abyssinians to whom Muslim refugees went during the persecution and they would say it is true. We are Christians, but we understand your point of view. And we know you are good men.
The commentator of this book says they are Muslims at heart.
Those Christians or Muslims at heart,
whatever the label may be,
you can label yourself. I am a Pentecostal. I am a Roman Catholic. I am a Jehovah's Witness whatever label you apply, but if these are your qualities,
We say you are a Muslim,
French are very much
Chairman cells start talking.
The subject of the debate.
Is the Bible really the Word of God, truly the Word of God?
In any dispute,
any confrontation.
any case, legal,
criminal, theological. The first thing they do is to identify the witnesses
or the exhibits.
So in this case, since we are talking about the Bible,
I have brought with me here, some Bibles.
We would like to know which Bible are we talking about?
Generally, people say there's only one Bible.
Generally people think there's only one Bible. But here I show
this little book here. This is the Holy Bible.
It is called the release, or the good version of the Roman Catholics
standing, do you accept this as the Word of God? He says the Holy Bible. Do you accept it? That's number one.
Number two.
I have here with me, the Scofield Reference Bible, the Reverend Schofield, backed by eight DDS doctors of divinities, they produce this Bible. This is based on the King James Version. Are we talking about this Bible, Roman Catholic Bible, or this Protestant Bible?
This one can read me over about a Swedish Bible. This is also based on the King James version is this Bible we're talking about?
Then I have here,
sign is obviously identical.
Identical Bibles, look at them.
You can't mistake that identity they are identical. Both say, Revised Standard Version, Revised Standard Version.
Out of these two, one is 1952. And one is 1971.
Which one would you accept as the Word of God? So we have to identify if you can tell me, it's a look, I accept the RSV, or I accept only the Swedish Bible, I only accept the King James Version, or I accept the Roman Catholic Bible, then we can proceed. Otherwise, we don't know which Bible are we talking about? Because these are all different Bibles. By God, they are not the same.
You will be twins are not the same. They may look like Siamese twins, but they are not.
So if I have the privilege of knowing, it will make it is my past easier to proceed with the Bible, which the pastor accepts as the Word of God out of all these, which one?
Which ones out of these? I'll answer you when I get the time for myself because I have a very good answer. Thank you.
When we open the Bible, anybody any one of these the common denominator and talking about the common denominators now
when we open this Bible, any Bible, the first verse of the Bible, Genesis one, one,
the first book, first chapter, first verse, it says, In the beginning,
God created the heaven and the earth.
The word God
in the Hebrew language is no him.
And him. Any Jewish scholar.
asked for his contacts with Jews here is in good communication with them. If not tonight, tomorrow night we're having another debate
somewhere closer to him.
diocese, church,
and we can bring this Rabbi along and says, Now, I would like to ask the rabbi, this would him.
Please translate.
And if he's honest, any Jew, who knowing Hebrew will say God's
any l in Hebrew means God. Allah in Hebrew means God. m means God's, in the language of the Jew.
But every translation without exception, the hundreds of translation the Christians have done, they have deliberately Miss translated the first word in the first sentence as God, it should be gone.
Why this game? Why deceive the people, it is God?
Why the translators God, first sentence we make a mistake.
Then, if this is the word of God, as the pastor to indicate is that he is a fundamentalist. And I love that.
He is a man who said, I believe
that between cover to cover,
from one end to the other, I accept every thing from cover to cover, as the Word of God, no change on that machine.
So it's not as easy, he accepts everything as God's word.
So this is not this word here.
What is it is God You have no right to change.
No person has the right to change the word they created the heaven and the earth. Now, in the fifth major revision of the King James Version, the word Heaven is nothing to heaven.
where it's supposed to be Gods is singular, where it is singular, made into plural. Now I don't know whether Christians or any scholar of Bishop Pope has a right to add or delete a word,
or changing the meanings
of Revelation, the last book of the Bible says, that whosoever adds or deletes anything from the Word of God, plagues be added unto them.
So I
would like the purpose of explained as Pastor explained, who did this, and who's doing this with the Word of God, if it is the word of God,
then in the first five books
of the Old Testament, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy
700 times, we are told that this is not the book of God, this is not the word of God 700 times you read? And the LORD said unto Moses, and Moses said unto the law, the Lord said unto Moses, and Moses said unto the Lord, which means the Lord didn't speak these words, nor did Moses write those words, is the third person somebody else's talking is where this is what he heard his information is, this is what God told Moses and Moses. And Moses told Dr. Moses, and Moses told 700 times we are told, this is not the word of God.
Then this book, these five books attribute to the Holy Prophet Moses.
But in the last book, the book of Deuteronomy,
chapter 34.
So Moses, the servant of the Lord that died,
died, his pastors died in English pastors, in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord, and He got Almighty buried him in a valley in the land of mob over against this fear. But no man, no matter is separate. And to this day, nobody knows where his grave is up to today. When somebody else is writing, Moses before he died, he couldn't have written that no man, no birth of my great day up to today. The man is still alive. How can he say that? And Moses was 120 years old when he died.
When he died, Moses was that
but he was 120 years old when he died
and his natural and when he died, his eyes were
is not given, nor his natural forces a baker, he was still strong enough
to marry another 16 year old. He had those powers, Moses say that, did you say that? That his natural powers had not abated before he died? And they arose not a prophet, since in Israel like to move
in the lobby face to face with Moses say that. So we say no, this is not only not the word of God is not even the word of Moses, somebody else is writing it on the very face of it, any school child in the kindergarten who can understand and we will be able to confirm and tell you, this is not God's word. And this is not the word of Moses.
These teams that I have
now to show you that these fields are not really
these are not I mean,
there is some deception here.
They are identical in the face of it. I don't know whether the pastor would like to cooperate. I would like him to open if he pleases, if he will help me otherwise, I have to call somebody from from from the audience, if you will help me
this book here, Isaiah, chapter 37, if you only open Isaiah 37. Now this one here is akin
to see how they're deceiving the Christian world, how they produce it by the millions and deceive the ordinary people. I just want to demonstrate that and I would like him to help me with difference. This is the Holy Bible Revised Standard Version, just open Isaiah 37. And I'll read from here and see whether it is the same. That's all.
If you will say, shall I? Yes. Okay.
Just have a look at me. Just have a look with that I'm reading correctly. Isaiah 34.
Which verse from verse one, sir? So we don't have to search.
verse one.
When King Hezekiah heard it, he lent his clothes and covered himself with Sacra and went into the house of the Lord. direction as I'm falling, yes.
And went into the house of the Lord and He sent eliakim who was over the household, and shebna, the Secretary, and the senior police covered with sackcloth, to the prophet Isaiah, the son of animals, was three.
They said to him, just says Hezekiah this day is a day of distress, of review, and of disgrace. Children have come to the birth, and there is no sin to bring them for. It may be that the Lord your God heard all the words of rubbish. A chair who has mastered the king of Assyria, ascent, promote the living God, and go on tours at the Crab Shack a return and found the king of Assyria fighting and winning on tours, 14 Hezekiah received a letter from the hand of the messengers, and David and Hezekiah. And on and on, word for word. Yes. But sir, I'm not reading from the book of Isaiah. I'm reading from the Book of Kings.
The greatness of the Bible.
Word for word,
word for word. I'm reading to maintain. And he's confirming in Isaiah 37.
In other words, word for word, it is the same. And let me share with you
the knowledge I have gathered from the Christian learned men, they tell me unless the pastor says to the contrary, that the Bible was not a verbal revelation.
Like we Muslims believe about the Quran. We believe that the Quran was a verbal revelation. God Almighty tells His Messenger, who Allah had say, he's got the one and only so Mohammed says, kulu Allah. So Allah, God eternal absolute, says Allah is Allah, Allah, He does not beget and is not forgotten. So he says limited will keep on is a verbal revelation that Christians do not believe in a verbal revelation. They believe that the Holy Ghost the Holy Spirit
inspired people, tickle people to write,
whatever. But in that case you can have word for word production.
If somebody tells you to write about this meeting, you can't reproduce word for word what the other man has written, the other journalists, your routines will differ, your settings will differ. This is human, even if you're inspired to write about this meeting, no two will be identical, here, identical, which means
that this was stolen. In literature. The reason somebody has been plagiarizing what was written this guy here, under his own name, he rewrites this whole thing and says, This is mine. In literature, you call that stealing, and you can be charged for stealing. Now God doesn't do that. He doesn't dictate to one Prophet, and then he forgets what he has inspired. And he takes the trouble of repeating word for word phrase or phrase, comma, four, comma, start for free stop. God doesn't do that. And the Holy Spirit will do that.
The professor, the pastor will explain how it comes about that there is an identical word for word reproduction from one book,
written hundreds of years before the book was written, how do they do that?
Let us hear
this Christian young man, hands,
hands.
his new book called infallible question mark, author of being Christian. He said,
Who is this man hands come? I don't know whether I'm pronouncing correctly Please forgive me. You know, the Scandinavian language is a bit difficult on my tongue.
The 43 year old Swiss born, Swiss bond professor of dogmatic and ecumenical theology, and director of the Institute of ecumenical studies at tubing University in West Germany, was one of the select group of official theologians appointed during the Vatican Council by pope john himself known as the young prodigy of modern theology, and consequently may not be interpreted
is now nowhere do the books. He says, nowhere with the books of the New Testament claim to have fallen directly from heaven.
This is what Hans Quinn says. On the contrary, often enough, the quite candidly emphasize, quite candidly, honestly, they emphasize
the human origin.
Loop, chapter one, verses one and two is specially revealing on the origin of the Gospels, especially revealing.
What does it say?
Luke, chapter one, verses one and two.
He tells us, he doesn't talk about him being tickled by the Holy Ghost, about the Holy Spirit type of work. He says here was to
just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us. It seemed good to me also.
If every Tom Dick and Harry people less educated myself than myself, if they can write
me, a physician, one of the most learned of the followers of Christianity at the time, why can't I do a better job?
This is his inspiration. The others, you can read, you can read why the anti Mormon or the new says it seemed good. Also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first to write to you an orderly account, most excellent shoppers, the only thing He cleanses with the other IDs are not orderly, mine will be an order the account, Mark is jumping here, there and everywhere. Mine won't be like that. Mine will be an ordinary book, that he does not claim to be inspired by God, or by the Holy Ghost, or by the Holy Spirit. his inspiration is the people that went before Him who had done the job.
And in this
chapter three,
was printed three, we have the genealogy of Jesus.
And Jesus happened to be about 30 years of age, when he began to preach.
coup being
in brackets, in brackets, as was supposed, the son of Joseph in brackets.
Never saw this. Number one is the Spirit of God is inspiring. Luke right that
this spirit of God didn't know how old Jesus was.
Can you imagine this spirit of god supposed to be God? The Christian believes the Pentecostals believe that the Father is God, the son is God and the Holy Ghost is God. But they're not three Gods but one God. The Holy Ghost is God, the Spirit of God is God. But this God in he inspired Luke, this God, did you know how old Jesus was?
So he's saying about 30 years. God doesn't know how Jesus was an Indian is about 30. About.
He's not sure.
When he began to preach, not in the latest translation, the word when he began to preach is taken out.
You know why? The question arises, God Almighty waited for millions of years before coming down to earth. And from the age from day one to the age of 30. He didn't deliver one sentence for the benefit of mankind. What was he doing? for 30 years? What did you do? One sentence to help mankind he did nothing.
Not one word, not one sentence. So he began to preach for 30 years, he did nothing. He began to preach this out, are the modern translation of the King James Version, the word is taken out. And as was supposed, or in brackets, meaning Luke.
Luke didn't like those words, as any Christian scholar, any Christian scholar with the name
these words in brackets, what do they mean? What do they imply? And they will honestly confess that it means that in the original manuscripts these words were not there, as was supposed was not there. These are the words of the editors trying to help the reader, they have a right
they have a right. In the Quranic translation, we find the same. The translator he puts words in brackets, meaning is trying to convey to us that look, the words are not there, but this is what is implied. He's trying to help you.
This help is appreciated.
In the Bible, also appreciated.
But now, you see, they can mean the word of man is a word of men. If Luke was inspired, then those words in brackets are not inspired.
But what they have done now, in the Swedish Bible, and the Danish Bible, I check them up.
The words are there,
as well suppose they're still there, but the brackets are thrown out.
You know what it means?
Once the brackets are thrown out, it becomes a words of loop. And if Luke was inspired, they become the Word of God.
So the Christians are meeting God's word at their own. leisure anytime they want to, they can put words in, put it in brackets honest, very honest. And then take the brackets out in every translation other than in English. In the vernacular, in Zulu, Afrikaans, in Udo in Swedish, Norwegian in the language of the world other than English, the words are written in the practice pronoun. Maybe the Scandinavians don't know what brackets mean.
You see, the Quran gives us
an acid test
of wanting to know whether a thing is inspired by God or not.
The Quran says a lot of Allah who Quran losing it consider the Quran with care.
Well, can I mean in the lady law had it been from anyone other than Allah, other than God, Lucia doofy, Telefonica Sera, he would have found in it, many discrepancies, many contradictions, anybody
claiming to be from God ought to be infallible, no contradiction. That is the claim of the Quran. The same test should apply to the Holy Bible.
If it is the book of God, you should have no contradictions. So I read to you
for the pastor, one Chronicles chapter 21.
One Chronicles book of Chronicles chapter 21, is an Satan and Satan stood up against Israel and provoked David to number Israel take a census who provoked David, Satan.
In two centuries, Chapter 24. It says, about the same thing. And again, the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. The Lord means God, not Satan.
The anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he then he moved, he provoked, he inspired David,
against them to say go number is I don't take a census. Who did it the Lord
Did it
in Caracas who did it Satan did it. And I know in new religion is Satan and God as synonymous terms, new religion and you say Satan is God and God is Satan, is it? No one says Satan inspired the guy. Another one says God inspired the guy, which is from God, the Holy Ghost, which was inspired by the Holy Ghost, the professor will answer
to Kings chapter seven.
And it was an enhanced brain, in the brain there off was brought like the brim of a cup with flowers of lilies in it contain 2000 bucks 2000 tubs bots, to Chronicles chapter four, verse five says, and the thickness of it was the handbook, same word for word same and received in hell 3000 bucks. One says, one book, one writer says, inspired by the Holy Ghost, that they had 2000 bucks, the other one inspired by the same Holy Ghost, this is 3000 bucks, the difference is only 50%.
Only 50%.
But I want to know which is from God, and which is from the devil because look, book can be from God. God didn't know one time he says 102,000 3000.
Then,
from the New Testament, john, Chapter 18, verse nine,
verse nine, that the saying might be fulfilled, which is for Jesus spoke, and in inverted commas, his words, of those whom you gave me, I have lost None.
None means not one, zero.
But the same john, in a chapter before
he had written, Chapter 17, verse 12, he had written when I was with them, quoting Jesus in the world, I kept them in your name in the name of God.
Those whom you gave me, I have kept and none of them is lost. None. Same as the first one
is lost. Except the son of perdition. You know, who does his failure? Excellent one.
Men, but one, the first one says men the difference between men and women
you know, in percentage wise, I would I have some few notes with me here.
Five loads 10 pounds each. That's what I got it me. I would like some lady to just tell me the First Lady. I want to give the ladies a preference please, if you don't mind, my brother,
he believes a chance, if they can tell me what percentage is that between one and men between zero and 100%?
A lady lady, the lady was talking
like a man, any lady, young lady, old lady, children, first preference goes to the ladies that difference between zero and 150 pounds as an entrepreneur that is
I want to give it away man please, please help me.
How many?
percent?
You are not a girl.
Nevermind, it is you use the word term endless. The word actually word is infinite infinite, infinite. Infinite is the right word. But you means that when it says endless, infinite, infinite percentage of difference between zero and one Remember that?
That the gentleman
who said the Holy Ghost, what did he inspire john wayne or man? What did he inspire? And whether it was from the Holy Ghost, and the same john is contradicting himself saying john
and Solomon had
among according to Chronicles, chapter nine, verse 25. And Solomon had among so many things, 4000 styles of classes 4000 stables of horses.
to Kings, chapter four was really success. And Solomon had 30,000 stalls of hustles Was it 4000 or 40,000? This God, this Holy Spirit. Where did he inspire the author of Chronicles and where did he inspire the author of Kings 4000 or 40,000. The difference is only 36,000
Now don't tell me this was a question of zero. You know, you add a zero and it becomes so much more. The Jews
in this a, they didn't know the zero. They didn't know what they used to write it in words. They didn't know the word zero. They didn't know. They learned it from my forefathers from India. The Arabs took it and he gave it to the Western world. 01 Samuels, contradiction. One Samuel chapter 28 verse six. And when Saul, the Father will love David, and when Saul inquired of the Lord and quiet of the Lord, he would have no God to tell him directing.
The Lord did not answer him.
Either by dreams or by ordering or by the prophets. God didn't answer him.
Quranic verse chapter 10, verse 14 says, but he Saul did not inquire of the Lord. Therefore he got killed him.
wonderfulness says that he inquired, and God didn't answer him. The other fellow says that he didn't inquire, they forgot.
Now these are contradictory terms. Did he? Or didn't he? Who inspires these authors to write contradictory statements? God, or you tell me who?
Then
wife and wife and concubine. I wonder whether you know, what's the difference between a wife and a concubine? You see, Solomon, the Good Book says that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines
who is feeling sorry for Solomon.
So there must be a difference between wife and concubine. That's what the Christian say. You say? Sarah lmap wife. They say the Christian says, Sarah and Hagar. Sarah was his legitimate wife, legal wife
was a concubine, a born woman, a slave woman. That's what the Christian said. Okay. But no, Moses was inspired to write if he was inspired. Genesis first book of the Bible, Chapter 25, verse one, it says, Abraham, again to a wife, Wi Fi wife, and her name was capoeira
and herding as a third wife.
He had Sarah Hagar and Nakamura.
Moses is writing if he wrote it, he said, a wife The third way.
But in the book of Chronicles chapter with first Chronicles chapter one, verse 32, it says, Now, the sons born to capoeira, Abraham's concubine
are the synonymous terms
are synonymous.
They can be
going to talk about haga. He says no synonymous.
And God goes out of his way to tell us if he did, that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines 1000 all the writings, he had 1000 spouses 1000 meets, his making sure that these are wife, and the concubine is of a lesser degree in the Jewish
society, concubine. So now the same God, the same Holy Spirit, He tells Moses to write that she was a wife, and he tells his author, unknown author.
These are unknown authors canonica, who wrote it is unknown. You as the scholars of Christian who wrote to Kings is Unknown. Unknown. I'll give you a list here, what 32 scholars have the highest eminence, backed by 50 cooperating denominations, what they say about the authorship of the books of the Bible. But now, the author of Chronicles 132, says that she had a sixth sense with capoeira as a concubine.
So six cents, and two cents makes eight, one through Sarah, one through Hagar, and six to cateura makes it easy to count.
Now, Paul, St. Paul, he is inspired by the same Holy Spirit. And he writes, for it is written that Abraham had two sons,
who's inspiring him to write the Spirit of God? Because the same Spirit inspired the authors of the Old Testament that he had two sons from Sarah and Hagar and he had six more from capoeira. That makes eight. But decades centuries later, Paul is inspired by the same Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit for what what he appealed to Moses and the others. Now he comes and says that he had only two cents. So I want to know now who is inspiring people? Is it the Holy Spirit for some other spirits
Then in the latest translation of the King James Version, Matthew chapter 21, verse seven says,
I'm reading Matthew 21 verse seven, they brought the donkey and the donkey and the court laid the clothes on them them more than one
on them and set him Jesus on them.
How can a man like to do this?
This Jesus Christ dude performing a circus trick Acrobat, you know, the dude in the circus riding horses on the backs and the more the horses are growing and you know, they do that in circus, this mighty messenger of God, he is doing the circus tricks, riding two donkeys at a time. Can you write two donkeys at a time? Unless in the circus, I suppose you can do
the same book, john chapter one, verse 18, says, No one has seen God at any time,
except that
no one has seen God at any time.
Exodus chapter 33, verse 20, says, but he said, you cannot see my face but through Moses, no man can see me and live
you. You can't even look at the sun. What can you see God, the Creator of all this heavens
says no man can see me and live.
accepted.
God is not seen at any time. No man can see God and live will die in perish.
But in Genesis, chapter 32, verse 30, God inspires Moses supposed to be and tells him about Jacob. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel 20 l 24. I quote him, for I have seen God face to face, Jacob saw God face to face. But we were told that no man can see God and live and God is not seen at any time. Now Jacob tells us that he saw God face to face and my life is preserved and I didn't die.
contradiction. Who's inspiring these words I want to know the pastor will explain. Yes, Yes, he was.
One Corinthians chapter 14, verse 33, for God is not the author of confusion accepted? How can God confused people is the work of the devil. The devil confuses people, not God.
accepted. But in the book of Ezekiel chapter 20, verse 25, we read the fall. I also gave them up to statues, laws, that were not good. God gave them laws to people, which were not good for them, which were not good,
and judgments by which they could not live.
That's devilish thing to do. God does that. He said, I'm not the author of confusion, we believe is not the author of confusion, but his confusion, confusing his creation during the evil laws legals evil statues. The work of God in the same God is inspiring these two persons, right? This one says, look, God is not the author. And the other one see he confused the people.
I'm reading this from a Christian magazine called the plain truth.
October 1977. It says, reading Bible stories
to children can also open up all sorts of opportunities
to discuss the morality of sex.
And an expurgated Bible might get an X rating. I don't know in Scandinavian countries, you have such a thing as an X rating, not fit for children to see x rating, and x and unexpurgated Bible might get an X rating from some senses. A Christian magazine writes them, which means, as George Bernard Shaw says, This is the most dangerous book on Earth.
George
he says, keep it under lock and key. Your children must not have access to it. That's what George Bernard Shaw says, I want you to go and verify for yourself whether that statement of George Bernard Shaw is true or not. But I give you one little sample
from the so called book of God, because it can be the book of God. I'm reading judges, the Book of Judges, chapter 16, verse one.
Then Samson went to Gaza, Gaza, the trouble is taking place between Jews and the Palestinians as it was
Bank, Gaza, same cousin,
same Gaza, Samson, the Jew who went to Gaza and saw a harlot,
the prostitute or what do you call them here call girls. Political.
This is no English language. We use beautiful word who cares and what and whatnot. So she went and saw a harlot,
a prostitute there and went into her. He had sex with her.
Can you imagine in the Word of God, this guy here is he's a hero to so many people Bible read the Samsung, you know, Samson and Delilah, you heard the story of Samson. And you see the film. I think it's going on somewhere here now in stock on Samson and Delilah, that Samsung he goes to guys like this. I'm reading the book of God, and he saw a prostitute and he went in unto her, he had sex with her. And what punishment no punishment is glorified in the book of God says now what does it say?
Dr. Vernon Jones, a psychologist of great repute, an American psychologist, he carried out experiments on a group of schoolchildren to whom certain stories were being read. And he said that these stories meet certain slight but permanent changes in character. Even in the narrow classroom situation, to tell stories to children, about anything, anything you're programming the child support is you tell anything. So whatever you feed them with sex, rape, murder, incest.
You are programming the people. As soon as they get an opportunity to do the thing, what they have been reading. We are what we eat. And we are what we read. Whatever the type of literature, you read some of the things that you can buy here. If I take them with me to South Africa, I will go to jail for two years in my country, but I can get in London Heathrow. But I can Kennedy Airport in America, what I can buy from Stockholm.
If I take you to my country, my country, the white rulers, as far as morality is concerned, pornography is concerned they are so strict, that no man this age of mine, is you go to jail for two years for carrying such
but in the book of God, it is all halal kosher, permissible,
describing God.
Isaiah chapter seven, verse 20. He's describing God.
He says, Yeah, in the same day, the Lord will shave with the highest razor Lord means God, he's going to shave people with a hired razor.
The old old fashioned cutthroat razors, I don't know whether you see them old fashioned cutthroat raises. He's gonna, God is gonna shave
with the highest razor with those from beyond the river with the king of Assyria, the head, shaved the head
and the hair of the legs
of this mountain deliberate tree, but
of course, a lot didn't know about all that. He's gonna shave the head.
And he's gonna shave the hair of the legs. I don't know how high
how high he's gonna share.
And we'll also remove the beard.
The reason is, is the work of God. God does things like that you speak about God like that, that he's gonna shake people's heads, and he's gonna shave the legs and
chapter 22 was named 11.
Smoke, smoke, smoke.
Smoke went up from his nostrils whose nostrils God's nostrils smoke came out of his nose.
I'm reading the Bible the Holy Bible smoke came up from his nostrils
and devouring fire from his mouth like a dragon now
like a flame thrower from God's mouth, this is talking about God. Smoke came out of his nose and devouring fire from his mouth. phones were killed by it you know the
lump of coal all the pile of coal starts burning
and start burning. This is like God does you know like a dragon.
And cold start burning. He bought the heavens also and came down with darkness and under his feet. He wrote upon he wrote, he wrote he knows he read
this. This little girl is angels. There are two grades of angels look up any dictionary shut up CAGR unit cherrim. God Almighty is writing a cherub
a young girl Angel
Listen to this. He bought the heavens also and came down with darkness under his feet. He wrote upon a cherub and flew, God is flying on the chin. No helicopters? No. He's writing little girls.
And these girls, if you haven't seen one, you must go to the Vatican in Rome. You see this beautiful thing by God, I went there. And look, no regrets, no regrets. This is a picture taken from the Vatican, in the holiest of holies, of the Roman Catholic Church of Christian law.
These things if the cameras have caught, please don't reproduce this, please. Otherwise, this tape will be banned in every Arab country in the world. Look at this. This is the picture of the cherub taken in the Holy of Holies. In the Vatican. In the Vatican, there are two beautiful young things in marble, flesh colored marble, so smooth and silky, that if you ever touch it, you get an electric shock.
And God writes these he writes them and flies them around.
Superman, Superman does a better job. And
I would like
to give pastor an opportunity now
to explain all these anomalies in a book of God. mankind's books, as a book, people write novels, romance, and science fiction, it might be a fantastic book. But when you attribute these things to God, it becomes shameful and blasphemous. That is all what you're saying that God does not write or speak these things. And these words, waffle without 100 reliable anime.
Give it back to her.
Yes, I just would have to say that also Mr. shoberg, would be allowed to have five minutes of introduction, and then 60 minutes of speech?
Well, let me say this was, I believe, my fifth volume of the crown. And I have discovered that
the Quran has different kind of translations.
Following exactly the same principle, as when the Bible has been translated. I can prove that reading from this one that was translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, and reading from this one that we bought in Lahore, Pakistan, translated by Maulana Muhammad Ali. And there are different idiomatic expressions in both these different additions.
Quite easy to understand.
Now, it's a great privilege to have this opportunity to talk to you.
And I like the friendly attitude of Mr. earthmate data.
And
at the same time, he is very open and very clear that there is a conflict between Christian belief and Islamic faith.
Now, as an introduction, I want to tell you, my sisters and brothers, and I really mean what I say. I do believe that we are all God's family
and that we must respect each other because Muslims and Christians have so much together.
Abraham, Moses, Elijah, and even Jesus.
And before going further, I also must say that I am a spokesman for religious freedom.
You have come from certain
Muslim countries as refugees to Sweden.
Because you had to run out of countries with Islamic laws that threatens your lives.
And now you have come to a country where we believe in the pluralistic society,
let me tell you,
let me tell you,
let me tell you,
let me tell you
that.
Now, listen to this,
listen to this.
Now,
because you gave Mr. gtaw, time to speak, and I demand your attention.
And I want to say,
in this country, we are mature enough to have different opinions. Even in this whole political leaders have been even fighting each other, but they can eat afterwards and say, We are friends, even if we
Yes.
And I also want to tell you, when I have been asked if Muslims should be able to build their mosques in Sweden, I have in various newspapers. And as I have been interviewed in the radio, I have said, I believe that Muslims must be able to build their mosques in Sweden.
And let me tell you, and let me tell you, if
racial racism and Nazism will arise in Europe, against people with other other color or people coming from other nations, you will have your best friends among the Bible believing Christians.
And
as an introduction, I want to tell you, I have had Muslims who have come to my office, and they were just to be kicked out of Sweden, they police the government, the Prime Minister gave them their final word, they had to go. And we did hide them in our Christian homes. And I know, one is one witnesses there can affirm that that meme that we protected, he said, I will stay as a Muslim, I will never become a Christian. But I received your help, because I am in depth danger.
Now, tonight, we'll have a very tough discussion, because I am going to be very open and frank.
And I believe that you are so mature that you can listen and let Mr. g dot give the answer.
Because he has challenged me. And he has given words that my Bible is not a holy book.
He has said that this Bible is not worth believing. And I have been sitting here silently listening.
And I'm astonished. Because when I have been reading the Quran,
then I have seen that Muhammad, he meant that the Torah and the Injeel
ought to be looked upon as the message of God. Why do you criticize the Torah and the gene? If the Quran tells you to believe it?
I said I am astonished. And I wonder why is Mr. akhmedov such such a gentle man?
Why is he traveling all over the world to try
Hi,
fighting the Christians
when I think I understand.
Well, I have one question mark, you came from India, Pakistan, very friendly country. And you move to South Africa.
And I feel ashamed, as I think of the
so called Christians in South Africa, that have caused so much discrimination and oppression toward the black people in South Africa.
I am one of those, together with a lot of Christians in this country. We have been protesting against the government of South Africa. And as a country, we have taken political actions. And given all our support
to the black people and the colored people of South Africa, I hope you have not become so
bitter because of so called Christians behavior, that that is the reason why you fight us, then I apologize. I ask on behalf of the Christians, please forgive us.
But on the other hand,
there is a spiritual, dramatic situation right now. Here in Europe, we have had 70 years of communism all around us. And in East Europe and Soviet Union, the communistic forces have been fighting against Christianity. But the Christians, they have been praying, they had been reading their Bible, and they have been faithful. And finally communism was overthrown, without even one bullet just by love, and peace.
But now, Islam
is coming stronger and stronger all over Europe.
And maybe this is a kind of mission activity that you have come here. Anyhow, let me come to the point. I'm going to ask all your answer all your questions, and I have very good answers. But first of all, I want to tell you, in which way, I am convinced that the Bible is the Word of God. And my first point is that I want to explain how the Bible came into existence. It is American. And it's very true, that we do not believe in a verbal dictation, we believe in a complete total inspiration. God is so great, he did not need to talk through the ears, he could talk directly into the hearts of the people. Now the Bible is American
40 different individuals from different backgrounds, during a time of 1600 years, gave us this Bible. And when you really look into the word into the Greek language and the Hebrew language, you can't find even one contradiction, because every contradiction that looks as a contradiction is just easy, very easy to explain, if you just gave me the time.
How is it possible that God could allow the Bible to become as it is not a dictation product, but this kind of, I would say a divine incarnation. Well, that's God's idea about how he wants to approach mankind. He became men, God,
allowed allow himself to be born into this world through the miracle
when Mary conceived Jesus,
and that's the great idea of Christian faith, that God is not on far distance. God wants to get close to each and every one
Like one illustration, to explain how the Bible came into being. Suppose we have a great composition of classical music. And we want to hear that music, and ask someone to play on the piano.
Next, after having heard this composition, in piano, in piano music, you asked someone to play on an Oregon, or maybe a guitar, or a horn orchestra. There are different instruments, but all are completely faithful unto every single note of the classical composition. It's exactly the masterpiece. But there are so many
different kinds of, of experiences of the music.
This is how the Bible allows itself
to be different, in one way, but on the other hand, be a complete harmony.
Now, Mr. de da, he gives us an impression that there are so many contradictions. And there are so many things in the Bible, you can't believe he goes against the Holy Quran. And he thinks that he knows better than Muhammad himself.
Let me tell you, let me tell you, that no one can change anything into the Word of God. Nor is it allowed to do that, or take something out from the Bible. But it is impossible, because within the Bible, in its original language, Hebrew and Greek, there is a system a kind of security system in the Bible.
You see, every letter
represents a number in these two unique languages. So when you read a sentence in the Bible, there is a mathematic combination behind it. And several scientists on languages have been studying this, and they have found out and this is easy to prove, and give you examples about it, that the Bible consists of a mathematic genetic system, you know, that our bodies
are built up of a genetic code. And that's why we are born with a nose on the right place, and the fingers on the right hands. Otherwise, it could be anyhow, Celtic, but there is a genetic code that God gave, and from the embryo of the unseen little child that has been conceived in the mother's womb, there is a personality that has been composed by God Himself. The same with the Bible, there is a mathematic combination. Every time he talks about God, there is this number seven, that can be multiplied, and it can be divided. And when it talks about Jesus, it's always number eight, and several other numbers, they are definitely all the way through the same and you can not take out one
verse, you cannot bring in an other sentence, because the Bible is like a shame. It's a complete system.
Our Muslim friends, I've been talking in the villages of Punjab. I've gone to the mosques and talk to them always.
Be humble.
I've been going to those villages and the priests, they said so often, you see the Torah and the Injeel. Fully right for the Word of God, but the Bible has been changed. But listen to this. We have manuscripts from archaeological research that has been done from the first centuries of Christianity. And those manuscripts are the same. As Muhammad mentioned when he affirmed that Bible is the Word of God.
Mohammed, the prophet Mohammed, he was born 600 years later. And the manuscripts we have from the first and second and third century have still the same words in it in this time.
And there are so many, many examples of great
and affirmation that the Bible has been proved to be fully right. When it gives historical, and
what do you say in English now,
all the history,
things have been affirmed by archaeology
and science, the prophecies have been proved to be right.
And there are so many examples. And you know, prophecies for our time. If you read the last book in the New Testament, you face all the warnings about air pollution.
And in the Bible, you see that if we don't stop to pollute the air, we will be burned alive. And the scientists have now
recognized the ozone covering around the earth, and exactly what the Bible has been speaking since 2000 years
now is confirmed, I could give you hundreds of examples.
Now, I am very excited to come as soon as possible to the questions that were given to me. But I want
some of you are not acquainted with the Bible. You have heard so many warn you to read the Bible, that you have just heard stories about the Bible. And, you know, Mr. De dot often writes in his books, that when you read the Bible, it's just like, Once Upon a Time Stories, nothing to believe.
But you see, we who knew the Bible, we respect it, as the Word of God, and we respect the Bible.
The Bible is the direction
to find God, because many of you, you believe that God exists, that you have no close relationship to God. The Bible will show you how to get a close relationship to God.
Now, the Bible
has a message about how God created this world. But sin came into the mankind and damaged God's plan, because God is not alone. There is a devil on the scene.
We don't know when evil came up on the surface. We know a little about it, that from the very beginning Satan was an angel, but he rebelled against God. And he just wanted to damage all good that our God created. Then God thought, How can I help mankind? And here is the Bible about various examples of people that tried to to be free from sin and practice righteous living. Some of them succeeded, some of them failed. So God understood, no, just giving examples. That is not enough. Because truly, Abraham failed. It's real true Solomon, he fell in dirty sin. And I'll tell you one thing, Mr. De duct.
You said to us a few minutes ago, that Samsung had a relationship with Delilah, and God did not care. God did not punish him but then you have not been reading the Bible.
Because
he is the difference between the Quran and the Bible.
Every time the Bible speaks about someone that commits sin, there is a judgment upon sin.
But when you read the Quran,
like here,
my father he is now dead.
But he said look at this.
It says in the Quran.
The age
Teens chapter and verse 33. compelled not your slave girls, to prostitution, when they decide to keep chaste in order to seek the frail goods of this world's life.
And whoever compels them
to become prostitutes, then surely after their compulsion, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. When the Bible speaks about the sin of Solomon, or Samsung, or someone else, the Bible says that God is the judge. And there is no forgiveness, if there is not repentance.
But human mankind is not able to get rid of sin. Because sin is a part of our nature. It's only it is not only outward deeds, it's a part of our sinful character. So God had to give us a better solution. And that's why Jesus came.
Now,
this is a problem tomorrow evening, we'll talk more about Jesus. But let me
let me tell you, my Muslim brothers and sisters, I understand why you have difficulties to understand and comprehend that God who is one, God is one.
But how is it possible that one God,
have some? How is it possible that God has a son?
And how is it possible that God is manifested as the father as the Holy Spirit and as the Son Jesus Christ? Is that possible? Does it make sense? Is it very unlogical? You think so, but let me take you give you an example.
No one has seen God but still you have seen him. Mr. D that said, Christians, they are crazy. They read in the Bible, no one has seen God still he has manifested Himself. Now let me ask you, how many of you who have seen maybe Mecca you have seen Stockholm Gothenburg? You have been to Lahore you have been to Tunis? How many have been on the sun?
Have you been on the sun?
No, some people have gone to the moon. Have you been? Have you seen the sun? In the sense of being there? No. No one can see the sun and survive.
But have you seen the sun? Yes.
Have you received the blessings of the sun? Have you felt the presence of the sun in your body of warm feelings?
Yes. You see my dear friends.
God is one but he's not one in the meaning of a singular single individual person. You think of God as one like you yourself? limited to one body but you see, I believe
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God is a wholeness. He's not just a singular, single individual, like one. God is a holiness.
Because God is present in the mosque in Punjab. He hears from a small little cottage in Africa, and at the same time when they pray in the Parliament House, or they pray in a Christian church somewhere else in Soviet Union or wherever God is there. God is there.
Now, I agree, it is difficult to understand. But in one way, in one way, it's easier to understand that God could allow something of himself in his greatness, to become men. Because, listen, more than science, have now understood
in the moment, somewhere in Arabian, listen up, in that very moment, somewhere in Arabia, when there was a child conceived, that was going to change the world, and his name would, would, should become the Holy Prophet Muhammad. In the very moment he was conceived as an invisible little embryo, no one could see him see him, no one could see on the lady that she was carrying a great profit. But in that invisible little embryo,
his whole personality was composed with beautiness, intelligence, ability of leadership
in his genetic system,
in the same way, God made that
mystery
reality, that his greatness
came into being
in a room
in order to God, that God should be able to understand us and on our behalf, take our sin, and die on the cross instead of us.
Now, here is something else from the Bible.
It's very exciting to read the Old Testament. If you read the book of Daniel, you will find that in the ninth chapter, there is a prophecy above a certain day when Messiah will be crucified, he will die. And that prophecy was given 483 years before it happened. And it was 173 days. No, 173,880 days later, Jesus was crucified on the cross, I could explain that better I have a whole book about it. But you see, the Bible talked about how Jesus should come take our burden of sin and guilt, die on the cross, and he could represent all mankind. Because the Bible says, When God created, he did it through Jesus in the power of the Holy Spirit.
I remember Mr. deedat, that you have made a little thumb. Actually, I feel like bless for me when I read your book about how you talk about the Holy Spirit.
In the moment, the Holy Spirit came upon Mary.
And you say, dirty words.
And you make gestures in your video, like a sexual relationship. But let me tell you, Mr. deduct that expression in the New Testament about how the Holy Spirit came upon marriage is exactly the same explanation as when the Holy Spirit of God moved upon the earth, just before creation. These are holy things.
Now,
I have 25 more minutes, and I'm afraid you'll get tired, but I will have to take you into something very exciting. Now.
You see, why? Why did God plan some kind of salvation for human mankind? Well, God wants us to live a happy life. God created us into this world because he wants the best for us. And alongside with the plan for reconciliation and forgiveness and restoration, God gave us ethical values in the Bible. And tonight, I now come to the point in my message, where I'm afraid some of you have to mobilize character
Don't get angry because Mr. Dodd has a very good answer.
If you buy a car, or you buy a computer,
and then you want to start writing it, I think you are happy if someone comes to you, from those who created that car and give you some explanation how to use the car.
And if someone comes to you, you have just bought a new Mercedes or evolvable. That's much better now.
Living in Sweden, okay. Now you sit there and you wonder, how will it work? Then someone comes over and say, Well, I have a good idea. They talked about filling the car with petrol. That's very expensive in these days. Why not fill it with water? it's much cheaper.
Then you say, You fool, you don't know. You can't? You don't know. You don't know anything about cars.
I want to talk with someone from Volvo. Can they explain? Yes.
And then you get petrol in the car. And now you start and, and actually, you wanted not to have a car, you wanted to have an airplane. But then someone tells you, let's take the car. And, and and we drive up on high mountain and you know, it's powerful engine, and let's fly.
And you get high speed and from the mountain top, you try flying.
Very bad advice.
The one who gave you that advice does not belong to those who understand cars.
Now,
talking about women, of course, it's not a good illustration. When I think of my wife, I should not force her like a car.
Keep quiet.
When you read the Bible, how a man ought to treat his wife. The Bible says you should honor your wife. And if you don't pay respects to your wife, God will not listen to your parents.
The Bible says you should treat your wife as a weaker vessel. Because she has beautiful emotions. And there is something tender about the lady that may be not be true about the man. So God says Be very kind to your wife.
That is what the Bible says when you read the Quran, it says, if your wife is not loyal to you,
you correct her try to talk to her. If she doesn't listen, don't have any
relationship with her. And if she doesn't change beater.
I don't believe in that. And concerning the idea of flying, I feel like my father, I could not understand the Quran.
When it says if you have a slave girl in your house,
and she wants to keep her purity.
She wants to fulfill the goodness in life. She's working hard. And Allah says don't compel her into prostitution. But still, you have got lust to that young girl, and you make her a prostitute. And then it is written in the same very verse that you shall know before you do it, that God is Forgiving and Merciful. I don't like that.
Mr. de dos will give the answer. And another thing you have insulted several of our profits. And listen tonight, gentlemen and ladies.
All the holy personalities in the Christian history have been challenged tonight.
And I wonder I'm not going to make a statement. I am asking.
Should not the same ethical principles be the same for people in leadership as people on a lower level?
If we're talking about honesty, righteousness,
handling money, should there be one ethical principle for the rich and another for the poor?
No. But how can you believe
that Muhammad as he comes into the house of his own
Son, and adopted son.
And that day the lady, the young lady, married to his own son, she's not covered. And he's falling in love with her. And she thinks, well, I have to be willing. And Mohammed asks Allah, and Allah says, This is wrong, if others do it, but not for you, you can do it.
No, don't. Now, this is a very critical error.
I have questions toward the Quran. I read in my Bible, if someone has made something has done something wrong, committed adultery committed theft.
Someone even killed another one, because of a dramatic situation, and they couldn't handle themselves and now they are sorry for it. But the Quran says
if someone has committed theft, cut off his hands.
The Quran says if you fall away from Islam,
then the only punishment
is that you'll be murdered or crucified.
And do I interpret the Quran in the wrong way when
you see in the Islamic countries in Pakistan, as I know,
the Islamic law of today since three months back when Islamic laws has been restored in Pakistan, it says if you say anything against Muhammad, you are sentenced to death.
In the Bible, there is mercy upon those who make mistakes, there is forgiveness if they repent.
And
everyone is equally treated. And as I say that everyone must be equally treated, I come to the most dramatic point in my message tonight.
In my hand, I have a book written by Arab theologians on Jews in Israel.
This book, in its third edition, has been published by the Academy of Islamic research. Great people within Islam has written this book.
And here it says,
concerning the Jews, the people of Jewish blood.
They were of different nature than human nature.
And here it says in this book, Jews are not humans. Let's get rid of each one of them.
Because they are not men and women like we are, our blood is better than theirs. And my dear friends, racism
is the curse upon humanity. God loves you if you're black or white, yellow or red. If you're an Arab or a Jew,
everyone,
everyone is respected on the same level.
Everyone must be treated with respect. The Bible says that God's final plan for this earth is unity, reconciliation, peace in the Middle East, and
a real union between Arabs and Jews and all kinds of people in the world. That is what Jesus wants to bring into us.
And let me say, let me say, for your own best.
Now, this meeting tonight, is being watched by many.
We have the Swedish mass media here. And you are now watched of this whole country.
And I appeal to you, that you
understand
that we are able to talk without getting angry on each other.
Now, I must take those statements by Mr. De Dodd, I have still 15 minutes.
It says in the very beginning of Genesis that God created and Mr. akhmedov explains that there is a plural here.
The Beginning in the Bible that we have not yet discovered in our different various translations. But you see, as you read the whole chapter, you find that the Quran is there. And the plural is even in the Quran. Because when God talks about himself, he says, Let us make man into our own image.
So if he means God in plural, this is the wholeness.
As the whole Bible tells us, God is not just a single individual in the sense of human thinking. He's beyond our comprehension, comprehension, comprehension.
How would you say it in English now?
comprehension? Yes. So there is no contradiction in that the Bible clarifies it very well in the first chapter of Genesis. And let me say, we have an expert in adding to the Bible, what is not there? And that expert is present here tonight. His name is Mr. I've made it up.
Tomorrow evening, I'm going to give you many examples, how Mr. diktat Miss credit my Jesus.
And sometimes, I'm wondering about the honesty, but we are going to have dinner together lunch together, and we'll talk and find out.
Now,
which one of your questions take this one? Satan said to David, count the people. And in the other version, it says God said, count them.
Well, if you're a father, you know the same from your children. Sometimes they say,
Daddy, Mommy,
I want to go to cinema. And you say, No, don't go. And they continue to say, I want to go and see that film. But father says, No, don't go.
I'm going to cry the whole evening. No one loves me in this house. I want to go and see that film. And after having repeated that 10 times, finally you say, Okay, go.
This is what happened. Satan tempted David to do something wrong. And David said, God, I'm going to couch God said, No. David said, No, I'm going to count them. I want to know how many they are gods? No, you should trust on me. Don't rely upon people. You should just trust me, don't count them. Because then you become proud. But David says, No, I'm going to count them. And God finally says, counter.
Now,
here's another example. Mr. DDoS, in this book has written like this, that there is a contradiction, saying that David slue, the man of 700, chariots.
And in the other version, it says, David slew of the serious 7000 men.
Difficulty at all. In every chariot, there were 10 men.
In one verse, and it says, there were 40,000 horse men.
In the other one, it says, 40,000 footmen, no difficulty at all. All the 40,000 that they ran, they were horsemen, but they the horses were killed and they ran.
And here it says, Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses. In the other version, it says Solomon had 40,000 stalls, a difference of 36,000 No, no, no. You see,
this is a testimony about how God was blessing. And in the beginning he had 4000 and after some years have 40,000.
Now, Jesus said, none of them have been lost. You gain some money somewhere, because you had an answer about how many percentage. Now Jesus sent Judas
From the beginning, he did not belong to me.
Jesus explained it.
I could give you an answer on every so called contradiction. And there is no.
But
I have a few minutes more.
And he's the these are the best moments in my life.
Because now, I don't want any uploads. I just want the Christians to pray,
silently pray, because now I'm going to give the best proof
that Jesus is alive, and is the Son of God. And what the Bible promise, it stands for.
Now, we may discuss on an intellectual level. And we can even become like enemies, because we misunderstand each other.
And reality is difficult. If there is a question of astronomy, microbiology, or any other kind of science, there are always different scholars from different directions, but life, life is something to experience. God cannot be fully understand, even by a Christian, more by a Muslim or a Buddhist, God is beyond our understanding that it is possible to experience His love.
It is possible to experience His power. And tonight,
I want you to prove test.
And I offer you this opportunity to test if Jesus Christ is what he is the only begotten Son, there would be gutten that you sometimes make a little fun about means in its original language, that the gutten son, he is what he has always be.
That's the meaning of bigger Turner. He is what he has always been. He's sitting at the right hand side of God. And because of Jesus,
you can be healed from sickness.
Some of you have problems in your families, you have teenagers that have gone astray. And they have gone into drugs, and you feel sad, and I apologize because of the Swedish society, that is not a Christian society.
And we are sorry about that. But I have prayed that God will assure his love to you, and give you an example that Jesus Christ is a personal reality. And there will be a solution of the problem in your family, and you will see a change in your teenager within the next two weeks.
Let me tell you about the Muslim lady outside Stockholm. This lady was beaten by her husband, because he was drinking too much.
And she had heard about Jesus. But she understood. I should not believe in that man as being the son of God. But one day when her husband had beaten her, she said,
I want to try I want to test if Jesus is a reality.
And she was wounded and she was beaten and she had pain in her body. And she said, Jesus, if you can help me, do it,
reveal myself.
Confirm that you're alive if you are.
Change my husband. And within a few minutes, that man came into the room she thought, another
smite No. He fell on his knees, he wept and said, My dear beloved wife, forgive me, for I have been evil.
If you pray unto Jesus, if you pray unto Jesus,
evil spirits and demonic activities that has caused trouble in your life will be removed.
And if you pray to Jesus and let him touch you, by divine power, as the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will feel it right now. There will be like an electric power going through your body, and that's the power of God that will go through your body and some of you will recognize the pain is gone. The sickness is gone, and you are healed from your sickness. Because you
Jesus Christ stands for Americans.
And I will tell you tonight, that in South Korea, on a high mountain, there are 1000s of Christians praying for us in the Congress hole.
There is the Christian Church in Iraq, and other one in Jordan, in Nigeria, and in Algeria, in England, in Finland in so many places, they're praying for you tonight.
Be honest, let Jesus do what he wants for you. And when he does admit that he was the one who bless you,
you don't need to tell it to everybody, but you can tell it to me ring, call me on the telephone.
Or tell it to somebody whispered in my ear.
And
jabatan
Could you give out a
IML to subject because now I am going to end. But this is not out of subject. Because if I have a theory, now I have to take two more minutes because it's according to the watch, if you work as a scientist, if you work with scientific scientific research, we have professors here tonight, in different kind of scientifical research programs. And in Stockholm within a few weeks, we'll give out the Nobel Prize to those who have been successful in laboratories in this sort in scientific research. And you know, that the principle for scientific research is that you make a test.
You make a test.
And if the test works, then the theory becomes a truth.
So it's not out of context.
Try Jesus.
Be honest to yourself, receive His love.
Amen.
Mr. Chairman, Chair lady and my, my dear brothers and sisters,
you know, I must take off my hat to pass the Stanley
I must take off my hat. No, beautiful, he is beautifully evaded, answering the questions.
And he has had his all tantalized with his oratory. And I tell him another platform that
it is, it is really difficult to see when an auditor is pouring out his thoughts is full of knowledge, this thing, that thing, and he's catching this holding us there. So we fail to realize that the man is not answering the problems. The first question, if you remember, now, I want you to remind you, and
if you have a chance, by this videotape, by the tape and at home, when you will be able to listen to both the speakers again and again, you will be able to see, you know what the game is being played, you will be able to catch the joke, then better than while you're listening down you too much involved in this discussion at the moment?
The very first question I asked was to identify the witness. If you remember, in any case, any court case, if you fail to do that, the judge would stop you in your strike. Stop it. Identify your witnesses. And that's the first question I asked. Here are the witnesses the exhibits? The Roman Catholic Bible, do you accept this as the Word of God?
We these pins I showed you, do you accept them as the Word of God, this schofields Bible, do you accept them as we accept this is the word of God
but it's
No, I will answer in my time, his time he had full time 60 and more minutes that you know,
the questions do not answer.
Let me tell you the reason why he couldn't answer he knew he knows. Any learned man knows
that this is not simply a question of translations. You see, when he spoke about the Quran,
there are different translations of the Quran by different people, different people have a different choice of words, for the same thing, use different terminology to express the same thing. This is, every translator has a right.
But a version is quite a different thing from a translation.
I explained to simple you see, this Roman Catholic Bible has got 73 books inside.
True or False Professor 273. The book that you are using.
The author as King James version is the basis of that book that you have there has got 66 books.
Difference of seven.
This book, The Roman Catholic Bible preceded yours, the Protestant Bible, it had seven extra books, you threw it out the Protestant world, threw it out, the book of Maccabees, the book of Judas, the book of Tobias, seven books you threw out from what your Canon as the Word of God. In other words, you do not accept the Roman Catholic Bible, per se, as the Word of God was as seven more books in here than what you have in your Bible. This is what you ought to have explained to the people. Why don't you accept this book as God's Word?
my Bible,
these twins are not twins.
You see these strings here, they look alike identical. page four pages the same.
But they are not the same.
I mentioned this is the 1952 version. And this is the 1971 version of the RSV Revised Standard Version notes, a Revised Standard Version. But this was done in 1952. And this was done in 71.
And these are not different translations. These are versions.
Because in this book here,
the first one revised version, this goes back to the most ancient manuscripts, your scholars tell us that
your book that they're holding, they're
the King James Version, it goes to the ancient manuscripts, ancient ancient means 456 100 years after Jesus, this goes back to the most ancient meaning still closer to Jesus, closer to Jesus naturally more authentic, if we can get something written in the time of Jesus or by Jesus Himself, no question at all.
So the closer to this
the person history, more authentic the book. So when you open this book here, you will find
that the ascension of Jesus is thrown out as a fabrication.
In this book, printed by your Christian printers, backed by 32, scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 cooperating denominations, they went and took out the verse, Luke chapter 24, verse 51, verses and Jesus ascended into heaven. And Mark chapter 16, verse 19, verses and Jesus ascended into heaven is thrown out as a fabrication.
The most stupendous
performance of Jesus as most stupendous is going up into heaven.
The only two places in the Bible it doesn't mention and Jesus went up into heaven ascended into heaven, and mode thrown out,
as fabrications by who, by Christian scholars of the
eminence backed by 50 cooperating denominations.
But now, they had a problem. They sold this Bible 1952 version, and they made a net profit of $15 million on this.
By that time we vangelis gospel, Thomas Bible thumpers they realized that look when our the kingpin of our preaching, Jesus getting up into heaven is not there.
So they protested, and they tell you here, they protested here, and they put it back. So these strings are not twins, you see, this is now a version, you take it out, and you put it back. Why do you put it back? God didn't tell them to put it back. They tell you why they put it back.
They tell you here, why they put back something that took it out.
speaks about your King James Version, these authors here. This year, the King James version has grave defects. I'm not saying that these are not my words. I'm only quoting your scholar, sir, that the one that you're carrying there has got grave defects, and that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision. So they revised it, they took it out what is not supposed to be there, because in the most ancient manuscript, the words were not there. These were interpolations. And the Holy Trinity. first episode of john chapter five, verse seven, where it says further a tree that may record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one, john,
four steps of john, chapter five, verse seven, is also thrown out as a fabrication.
who throws it out? Muslim scholars know Jewish scholars, no Christian scholars, what motives, no motives, honestly, they are honest. But now to appease the customers. You know, the customer is always right. They say in business. So they put it back. So I say do you see this is the game? Yeah, you can verify it, sir. You don't have to go out of this hole to verify. This is what you are doing to the people to catch customers to catch fish. This is no, you don't do that.
JB Phillips, JB Phillips, he's a member of the cheesiest ticket Theatre in England, a patron of the Anglican Church.
He says that these gospels, the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john speaking with Matthew, He tells us early tradition, ascribed this gospel to the apostle Matthew, the first book of the New Testament, but scholars nowadays almost all reject this view.
Which is what he says, and every Bible that you have, it says that the Gospel according to St. Matthew, the gospel, according to St. Mark's, the gospel, according to St. Luke, the Gospel according to St. JOHN, I'm asking what is according to according to according to you say evangelists,
enlist materials and lift Marcus and left? Lucas, I am asking what is left
enlight are a left according to according to according to.
So not only according to what we are seeing there, not only it is not the word of God, but Matthew is not the word of Matthew, Mark is not the word of Mark, and Luke is no word of Luke. And john is not the word of john, this is the clear cut evidence in black and white. So since we have a lot of questions that we have to answer,
I don't know where the brother comes along. Now. This is the format if you will remember, the format was 50 minutes, 60 minutes and 10 minutes. Now we have a right to answer questions. This is I think there was a format unless you want to take advantage. This is your country.
Concerning law, concerning the last question, when it is written, according to Luke, john, according to
that is not the words of the Bible. These are the words of those who translate the Bible to give a headline. So that's nothing to quarrel about. Concerning the Roman Catholic addition.
We have in those the apocryphal books, I have them in my home and these are very good
Books. And there is nothing in the epigraphic apocrypha
in these books
for graphic
now I'm tired. My language is Swedish.
Yes. Now, there is no contradiction in any kind of teaching.
There is nothing in the maka beer books, and in the additions to what the Bible says. But we look at those books as history beside the Holy Word of God. And that has been something Christians have agreed on from the very beginning. And there is no difficulty to understand Scofield, his translation or a King James and others, there are no contradictions.
I think that you make something out of nothing. Because even when you're talking about that, they took away the sentence about how Jesus descended into heaven. Listen, now, this historical fact, in the Holy Bible is mentioned in several books, in the book of Acts, and in the teaching of the Apostle Paul, and in all the Gospels. And if one sentence, because of the manuscripts, they have been so eager to have a correct translation, that sometimes as they have worked with the translation, they had been discussing what is right or wrong. But even on those issues, it has never been a question on basic Christian doctrine, because the basic Christian doctrine is exactly the
same in harmony in every translation. But I also want to say that those who have translated the Bible even into the Swedish language, they have made comments similar to the comments in the Quran. Let me tell you listen, in the Quran, when it says that a man can beat his wife, the commentator say that I recommend you, if you beat your wife, in our days, use a toothbrush.
I asked my wife, how would you react, if I would come and say, now I'm going to beat you with a toothbrush, she would be very insulted.
It would give just as much pain as if I said a bad word.
Now, the commentators, they have been sometimes very liberal. They belong even sometimes to those who betrayed the Christian faith. Because those commentators, they were influenced by certain religions, and atheism. And we have had in this country, even socialistic theologians that have denied the divinity of Jesus Christ, because they have more of a political idea than a Christian idea. And we don't
we cannot accept that. But the Bible is not changed, because some theologians have made wrong comments.
Ladies and gentlemen,
ladies and gentlemen,
in the beginning of this meeting, a format was agreed. That is, the first speaker delivers his talk for 15 minutes. The second speaker for 60 minutes, and the first speaker then again avails his remaining 10 minutes, however,
pass to Stanley, who wish to answer some of the remaining questions decided to acquire extra time.
To be fair, therefore,
we would have to give similar time to Mr. D Dad. Yes.
You know, when you lay down rules, boxing, wrestling, any game, and when the follow is knocked out, is Look, I like to have another second chance.
But nevermind out of grace. I mean, as much as involved, we give our brother the latitude. Now they're giving me five minutes also. Thank you very much. You see, Pastor Stanley mentioned that the Quran also speaks about the Torah, which is the law of Moses and the Injeel, meaning the gospel of Jesus, no doubt. See, there is a relationship between the teachings of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed to as Muslims. In actual fact, this is all one religion, there is only one religion. These are not three distinct religions. This is a different subject as soon as I start expanding that you need more time. But the Quran tells us that we believe in the principle that Moses was inspired by God.
David was inspired by God, Jesus was inspired by God, and whatever they gave out in the respective times it was from God infallible, but those with words were not preserved. In the pristine purity. That is what we are questioning. We're not questioning Moses, but what was written was not written by Moses, if he had signed his name, no problem. If Jesus had countersign, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john, they would have been no problem. But since Jesus didn't write a word, in his lifetime, not a word was written.
He didn't write it, nor did anybody write a word in his lifetime.
These are all books, anonymous books. And the Christian scholars are telling us they have no ulterior motives, I might have, but not your scholars. What ulterior motive do they have to tell you that he has used Matthew has used Mark's gospel freely in the language of the school teacher, he was copying wholesale from Mark, and Mark was not even one of the 12 disciples of Jesus. Why should an eyewitness and a year witness like Matthew, go and copy somebody who wasn't there? It doesn't make sense. And in the book itself, Matthew tells us, Matthew nine, nine.
This is while he Jesus was going forth into the way he saw he Jesus saw a tax collector called Matthew.
And he, Jesus comes up to him, and he says to Matthew, follow me, and he met you followed him, Jesus, who wrote that,
God write it, the Jesus write it. No. Did you write it? No. Yes, if Matthew wrote it, he would say while he was going forth into the way he saw me at the tax collector's table, and he came up to me and told me to follow him, and I followed him. This is written by somebody else.
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Lady, and my dear brothers and sisters, we would like to give we should give you the opportunity now, to fire your questions. At for and against, you have a right to question me. You have a right to question the pastor we are that you have this privilege. And tomorrow night.
Pastor has already given you an introduction about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, that was not the subject. You see, he was pulling the wool over our eyes, the subject was, is the Bible God's word, and not Jesus, but I might as well we believe that he was one. He was.
I end with this, I end with this. We believe in Islam, we believe that Jesus Christ was one of the mightiest messengers of God, we believe.
We believe that Jesus was the Christ. Messiah, translated Christ. We believe in his miraculous birth, that without minimi without any male intervention, he was born with many modern day bishops of the Anglican Church. They don't believe today we Muslims, we believe that Jesus Christ was born miraculously. We believe that he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and he healed those born blind and the lepers by cross permission. We are not the Antichrist, we are not the enemies of Christ. We love Jesus Christ.
What we are saying is this, that he is not what you are telling us. Maybe you mean well, you are sincere, us telling us that Jesus is the only begotten Son, because not made so I'm asking the Englishman
I don't know you're Swedish, whether you understand English as much as the English man, I don't know.
But I'm asking the English man, as is now when you tell me you got and not made, what are you trying to emphasize? That's all. Because I can call any one of you gentlemen, my son, my son, and I know you won't mind it, your mother won't mind Did your father one minded, but if somebody is really your son, and he has said, Yes, he is my only begotten Son, you know what I'm saying? That is a bastard.
That's what actually actually that's what I He's my Begotten Son, meaning he's not his father, son, his mind. I'm swearing that young man,
I have no right to do that. So I said is a language that we're using in our human language, if you are so particular, why should we not be extra particular when talking about God and his relationship to his creation, that is what we are fighting about is the terms terminology that we are using, we say this is not befitting God. So we would like to share this with the audience tomorrow, and I'm sure that they will contain up but now, the opportunity is yours. Please go ahead and fire your question.
He wants to thank both speakers for their speeches.
Now, we're going to go about to the part where you are welcome to ask questions.
And as we know, we have a time limit.
We need to be out of here in 40 minutes.
Therefore, we welcome you to come also tomorrow to the city church at autofilling Sugata.
Mr. Khan will now present the rules of the questioning and we kindly ask you to respect this. Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, the arrangements have been made to form two queues.
One line is to be found on the right hand side for those persons who wish to present questions to pass the style.
Another cue is to be formed on the left hand side for those persons who wish to present questions to Mr. deedat.
In order for the question time to run efficiently, there are also certain rules that we must follow.
First of all, all questions must relate to the topic at hand.
Secondly, brothers and sisters, we must remember that it is question time and not lecturing time.
Please therefore,
confine your question and make it as brief and concise as possible, do not please begin to deliver lecture. If you wish to do that, you're welcome to Hi this whole and we should all come and listen to you one day.
Please also remember that there is only one question aloud at a time.
If you wish to ask more than one question, please go to the back of the queue. And wait your turn again.
There is a person in the middle who will have a portable microphone once the queues have been formed, then the persons will take it alternatively, to approach the mic and present a question
pretty much get
through
the people who was there, it is difficult for them to go in that some is there and it is difficult for them to go there. So they can they can form a human will take it and you can make we can ask them to whom they have question and according to that we can move the mic because they will always stand here. You
don't have to move the mic.
We'll take one question from this side.
SPEAKER I think we just have to take it
to the speaker. It doesn't matter.
My dear sisters and brothers there has been a slight alteration due to some complications. I have just been told that it is not going to be feasible or practical for people who wish to present the question to pasture standing
To come from the left hand side all the way to the right hand side. Therefore, it has been decided and agreed between both the chairpersons that we shall take on a first come first serve basis, alternatively from one queue and another, and we shall take a chance as to who so ever they wish to forward the question to the welcome to do so.
So we want to ask the first person to come forward and ask their question. The microphone is right here.
And we'll come then further from the right line this time.
My first question is very easy. I'd love to rectify pastor Tammy sugar that the Bible originally is written in Greek, not in Hebrew. But that's out of my question. You talked in a very funny way about the Quran, treating the women badly. I would love to remind you, and I would love you answer me in the Bible in Colossians, 318, in Ephesians, 524, in Peter to one to six in Tamati, to nine to 12. And in Corinthians 1314, I mean, 34 to 35. There the Bible talk about the woman as obeying her master,
the man the husband, as obeying her master Abraham, as not having no fine clothes, not having a good manner. And any question once you want to do some things you have to ask her master, that's me and her husband. You ionized with the Quran, which only in one part that you mentioned that the husband after trying to correct his wife can beat her. Now, could you explain to me how could the Bible in so many places treat the woman as being a slave and the subject to her master the husband, why you made the length of the Quran mentioned in the in the case, after first talking to her gently second, warning her and the third bitter in a gentle way, which means that the way a Muslim beat the kid,
the way they beat their kid, that's the way he's supposed to beat his wife not mistreat her. Could you answer me why you mentioned the Quran as anti women. Why the Bible in many places, as mentioned them is very, almost slaving the woman. Thank you. So for your question.
In the Quran, it says about one man who was beating his wife, and that is a man the Bible speaks about and his name was Jube. And when he was beating his wife, the Quran says as an example how to do it. And he had, he had 100 strips, a that is hurtful. And the toothbrush was the commentator. And let me tell you, if the Bible talks about that a wife should listen to her husband, that is on a high level of conversation. And in the context it says, gee, wives submit under your husband's and G men. Give your life's for your wife's it means do everything possible to come together in understanding.
Okay. Okay.
We asked him one question.
We asked person from next line, the left line to come forward.
Lady here. First of all, I want to say God bless you,
and to all of you. And may love be the first word and the last word. But I want to ask you, you said Quran is the last testament.
How can you sing that a God that is alive and can see us in this very minute and have seen us since Mohammedan? died, Jesus died, has stopped to talk through other prophets.
That's the question. Why do you say the last testament because it's Testament is fitnesses from human beings, having experienced how God has spoken to them, and I had experienced that during 17 years.
I have written a library about a love of God speaking today. Thank you for your question. I think
we Muslims, we claim that this is the last testament, because it answers all your problems, whether it is palatable or not. I can guarantee you that, that it will go down well,
but it answers your problems. Now this is what Jesus Christ had promised. You see in the Gospel of St. JOHN,
Jesus Christ is telling his disciples is it I have yet many things to say unto you, but he cannot bear them now. Jesus God had given him guidance, to guide humanity to Doomsday, but the people that he was addressing his immediate disciples, they will not fit to receive the message. So is it I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot base them now? How beat when he The Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth. For he shall not speak from himself, but what shall we hear, that shall he speak and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come? He shall glorify Me, Jesus.
Now is the who is the spirit of truth.
We Muslims claim, Muhammad is that spirit of truth, and we are prepared to reason with you. I know prejudices diehard is natural, but let us come Come, let us talk together, let us reason together. The Bible says come let us reason together. The Quran says Paul. Tell them your fellow Kitab Jews and Christians tala come Isla Kalamata in Sabah in benavente. That we come to common terms as between
the terms are number one, la de la la that we worship number Allah, God Almighty, Moon worship, men don't worship monkeys don't worship elephants and snakes worship the one and only God that there is, as the Bible says, God is Spirit. And those that worship Him must worship Him in truth and in spirit, not in form, shape or size. That is what the Quran is appealing to you, to the Jews and the Christians Come, let us get together on a common platform of worshipping the one and only God. And this book testifies that Jesus is the Christ. And in the first episode of john, chapter four, verse one, it says, beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God, for
many false prophets have gone out into the world.
It continues, the spirit that confessor, that Jesus is the Christ is of God. This spirit, meaning spirit is synonymous, therefore a prophet, the prophet that says that Jesus is the crisis of God. And this is the only faith after Jesus Christ, the only non Christian faith, which claims and speaks to the whole world that Jesus is the Christ, who made us who say that Muhammad, and your book says that whoever Prophet says that is so he is from God.
The question goes to Sir,
yes, Reverend, the question is mainly for you, but actually, you both gentlemen could answer that question. As the continuation is for you, Reverend, is that the Bible? A lot of archaeological evidence are proving that space, especially especially the old books, are copies of old Mesopotamian scripts are copies of the epics of Gilgamesh, are copies of the laws of Hammurabi. Now this is something maybe you both gentlemen could answer, since you both say it's the Word of God, yet chose not only the Quran, which is actually based on the Torah and other teachings, because let's not forget that Khadija was Christian, that Khadija cousin was the Bishop of Mecca. And that's
apparently where the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam got his inspiration. So let's not deny that and you said the Bible in left in Swedish means in licked according to. So the Quran was, according to Mohammed, there is no difference really in that. Now I come back to you both gentlemen, isn't it so that all these three religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are actually copies of all Sumerian myths? And that's where the debate here is fairly foul. Isn't this why the biggest savagery ever committed by men has been committed by religious people? We Christians, I am Christian, let's not forget the Inquisition. Now I come back to this is it because the question here
is the Bible the Word of God. Now if the Koran agrees that the
And the Prophet
Jesus and all the rest, then there is something fishy here. Is it difficult for us, especially us as Christian reverent Burberry, to come back to this point that more and more archaeological evidence is proving that the Bible especially the Old Testament, is actually a copy a copy of old Mesopotamian myths. Thank you. I think your questions clear.
We will let both Mr. shoberg and Amanda do that, to answer these questions as they like archaeological risks. Research,
has, as you said, found out that
other
writing is similar to the Bible. And when you study that your belief in the Bible is increasing, because the history of the Bible is not only confirmed by archaeological, archaeological research, but it is also confirmed by other historical and writing in different parts of the world. So what you said just confirms the history of the Bible to be more true than it was 10 minutes ago.
It was quite strange to hear the questioner
is saying he's a Christian. And he's challenging the pastor. And he's challenging me simultaneously about the Bible and about the Quran. And he made certain statements that have these I was a Christian, am I correct? Where is the gentleman who said, did you say that?
I would like you to bring some proof from somewhere. Where have you been come?
See the Quran?
You have to admit friends and foe alike, will confess that Muhammad was an illiterate man, a man who couldn't write his own name. That man brings you a book of this magnitude.
answering all your problems, I said, I made that look, it might not go down. Well, you might not like it. The Holy Quran prohibits alcohol in total.
Not even one one doc.
Now you have been used to at least your wine or your beer, innocent 1%. And you'll start reasoning. So look, man, it makes me feel nice and warm, especially in this climate here. And on and on, you will reason as a Muslim, the Quran says don't touch that abominable stuff.
all your problems, you have surplus of women.
You have a surplus of women all over your Western countries. I haven't been able to find out your statistics. But I'm sure England has 4 million more women than men. Germany has 5 million more women than men. America got 7.8 million more women than men. I want to know what answer do you get from the Bible to solve the problem? I want the answers.
And your problems are getting compounded. They're getting compounded. Giving Americans an example statistics we have available 7.8 million women can get husbands if every man in america got married, they're almost 8 million woman can get husbands and have the manpower they have there. There are 25 million sodomites homosexual you call them case. That means another 25 million women can get husbands then your prison population 98% of men when men gets cold feet for so many reasons, you know that you send him off to marriage? Yes, yes. And when it comes to the crunch the guy Peters off the crews down, man.
Your problems your problems. I want to know what answers Have you got Pac Man talk is millions laughing you're gonna laugh at me, as it is time offers a solution.
The trouble with you is you are in a haze my brother, you don't know what you were talking about.
thank both speakers for their answers.
Next question goes to man here. Please. First of all, I would like to thanks this opportunity to make all of us understand understanding the birth tradition. And my question.
I have two questions. You're only allowed to ask.
Okay. I have
To take this question first, for Mr. Pastor Stanley, you talk about the difference class in Algeria. And I am from Algeria. I know very well, my history. I hope that with your position, you know, very much and very well, the Algerians historia. The colonization, since 1830 until 1962. And if you talk about the class difference, it was made by the colonization
and not by the Islam.
I have in my in my country, I came from a place it's called kabillion. And there it was little village
1956. It was surrounded by the military, French military.
Oh, yes, yes, yes. Everybody else except for the person who asks the question. Yes, that's my question. How do you know exactly about the class difference energy? I will answer you, thank you in this following way, that we have also, deep knowledge about that, through the history.
There have been governments called Christians, but they have had nothing to do with Jesus Christ or the Bible. They have been called Christians, nominal Christians. And those were the oppressors in South Africa, South Africa, and they have been a quarter they have caused colonization, and oppression in so many other countries. And the history of the Christians have a lot of bloodshed. Because of these people who never studied the Bible. They have no relationship to Jesus, they just call themselves they put a label on their heads and said, We are Christians, and they were not. Now
you have the same problem as Muslims, that you have some people that call themselves themselves Muslims, but they have no understanding of your religion. And this is the tragedy, even about Christianity. And I belong to a Christian church, that we love all Christians. And we know that within all the denominations, there are honest people who really love Jesus Christ, and they have experienced that
reality. But we also know that this state controlling idea in Europe has been a curse, it has damaged the name of Jesus, because real Christianity is love, real Christianity looks
upon every human being is equal.
So that's my answer.
Thank you. I think we can we have to remind ourselves here about the subject is the Bible, the Word of God, and please respect to keep to the subject in your questioning. The question will ask question to Mr. soundly. That is, according to the title is the Bible True Word of God? And he accept that he, he, he believed that the Bible is a true Word of God and he believed in Jesus. So I want to ask if you have the complete faith in Jesus Christ, and If yes, then according to I have one questionnaire, according to Mark in the Bible, Chapter 16. And was 18, you have in your lecture said that they will,
about the sickness and things that you can recover the sickness of the people, and in the same verse, it stands, that if you, if they drink any deadly things, it will not hurt them. That is the same worse, and I have here about poison.
And you please, can you please testify it for the audience that you have the true faith in Jesus?
Thank you, sir, for your question. By the brother.
has given me a deadly poison and he wants me to drink it.
He wants me to make a show and tell you that it is true what is written in Mark 16 that if we drink something that is poisoned, we will not die.
Now, very strange. You see, I believe in God, I have experienced the Holy Spirit and in our family, we have experienced the Holy Spirit as a reality. And the Holy Spirit tells us what is going to happen. And my wife told me thirsty night Stanley.
Be careful, someone will try to poison you.
When I when I when I was invited through a when I was invited through Sahil Aziz Khan, that Mr. Othman Dida, choose the evening want to give me dinner? My wife said, Stanley, be careful.
Do you know why? Because we know about many most many Muslims who became Christians and were kicked.
Now
am I going to drink this and you will see me fall down and die.
Now listen to this.
When you know the Bible, the first thing I will answer before, before really telling you what I'm going to do.
I am shaking a little bit.
Excuse me. But listen.
You see, you asked me if I believe in Jesus. And I want to tell you, I believe in Jesus as it is written in the Gospels. I don't believe in Jesus as it is written in the Quran. Because the Quran denies that Jesus is the Son of God. The Quran denies that Jesus was crucified. The Quran does not accept that Jesus was resurrected. The Quran denies that Jesus is Messiah. And I believe in the in the way the Bible says that Jesus is the king of kings and the Lord of lords. And he's equal.
Now listen, my brother, Listen, my brother.
Do you know?
One day Satan himself approached Jesus. And the devil met Jesus in the wilderness and scent. Throw yourself up from a high wall and make a show and try to show the people that you are the Son of God.
When Jesus was standing in front of King heroes, even King Harold said to Jesus, now do some miracles for us. So we can have a little fun. Mr. De Doc, you have written a book, and you have made fun of Jesus. And you have said that the Bible is contradicting each other itself. Because in the prophecies, it says,
ladies and gentlemen,
if you want to kill me, I must have five minutes more.
I'm just going to tell you that in front of heroes, Jesus did not open his mouth, according to the Scripture. And Jesus did not make a show of the miracles. And when you gave me this question today, I recognized the devil in you and I'm not going to obey the devil. I'm not going to make the show.
I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, and I'm going to tell all the others that Jesus He wants to heal. He does not want to cause sickness. He will give life he don't want to kill people by alcohol and drugs. It's the devil who wants to cause damage and Jesus He wants to give blessing.
Thank you.
We will proceed to the next question.
Well, everybody else, please keep silence so that we can hear clearly the question pronounced? And would I also can we be able to ask you to be silent? During the answer?
Thank you.
Excuse me, sir, will you please? Thank you.
Please sisters and brothers, control your emotions and your sentiments. There are just a few more minutes left, please be patient. And we only have time for one last question. Next question, please.
Please, this question is directed to Mr. Dart.
It has to do with the question of translations.
We all know that there are many translations of the Quran. And that every each translation differ between one another because you cannot translate a book without having different wording, every translate, we put different words to the book. But no one would ever suggest that because it translate the Koran in different ways that you actually have altered the Arabic original text. In the same way, I would like you to clarify, please, that you have showed us now many different translations of the Bible, that you do not suggest that because of the fact that the translations differ between one another that we actually or the translators have altered the original Hebrew or
Greek text. Thank you.
That is correct. I'm not arguing about the translations. Like the King James version is gone through fifth major revisions.
through fifth major revision five major revisions and yet it remains the King James Version. There are differences, but we're not when I say version, I'm telling you seven books more seven books less here chunks and chunks are thrown out. Mark chapter 16. Mark chapter 16, verse nine onwards are all taken out in one of those pin translations, RSV. Why this is this is not in the most ancient manuscripts. Now with regards to the Quran. Every translation has
an Arabic text. In other words, this is what we say is the word of God. The translation is not infallible. No translator is infallible. That means not every translation is the word of God. We said no, the Word of God is the Arabic Quran. That is what they're talking about. But as far as the Bible is concerned, I was this produce techs to say now, one or men, the answer is not given
to the, to the problem of 4000 or 40,000. A nice way it was put forward that look, this was at different times the man standard is for me ended with 40. Versus now looks he started with 12,000 you find the 12,000 footmen or so a horseman. And after 14 years, he still got 12,000. Now I want to know now if his horses increased from four to 40. Why is it that the 12,000 cavalry remains 12,000. In other words, that is what I was questioning that because of that God did not inspire the books. There are many good things there inside. My book explains this book of mine explains to you what we Muslims believe what there is, there are words of God in the Bible. There are words of the prophet
in the Bible, the words of the historian are in the Bible. And I say there are many others besides which are in the Bible, which no decent man can read his mother or sister or even to his fiance, if she's a good woman, that is what I'm saying. I do not say that in the Bible, per se. There is no word of God in it. That's a no the Word of God is there. The word of the Prophet is there and the word of the historian this day. This is our belief, but person, the Bible and the Bible is not God's word, as per se as a whole.
Thank you, Mr. deedat. And thank you, Pastor Stanley for delivering your
informative talks,
sisters and brothers. Both the speakers have presented the arguments before you.
Now it is up to you to decide.
You be the judge as to where lies the truth.
Because you ladies and gentlemen,
have to decide, as it is a matter between you and your Creator.
I would like to take this opportunity also to thank and extend immense gratitude to all those who participated in making this event a great success.
Sisters and brothers. I would also like to remind you about the tomorrow's event. It will be a great historical event. Please make every endeavor to make it a success and to be there. It will be held at the Phoenix palace, city church at seven o'clock.
Sisters and brothers are Thank you for coming here making this meeting a great success.
Now I would like to hand you over to Sister Maria to have the last say
a Salam aleikum.
Wa
I would ask, I would like to thank all of you for coming here tonight. We as Mr. Khan said, wish to see all of you tomorrow. And we wish you a good night. Thank you.