Channel: Ahmed Deedat
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All the people in the world you, the members of the audience have been selected today to be present here. And of all the people in the world, Mr. Hoffman has been chosen to address indeed this purpose in this lady's engagement, purpose for all of us to reflect upon what is the purpose of Mr. Medina.
In one word, education, it is His purpose. It is his desire to educate, and also, in so far as it can be proved to him, that his submissions are incorrect to be educated.
That is his purpose. It is with this in mind that we have extended an invitation to theologians, to qualified bishops from England to accept
an invitation to debate matters with Mr. Medina, especially after negative sentiments were expressed in the newspapers about Mr. De Dodds debate with Dr. Nice Sharon, it will appear from the fact of non response that they are reluctant to accept the challenge or to accept the invitation. Therefore, what might have been a debate or symposium will in fact be a lecture this evening. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Mohammad Salim Khan. I will be the chairman this evening. And it is my pleasure to be associated with this gathering and with the symposium. The procedure will be the following the staff Medina will present his lecture, which will be a sequel of the debate that took
place here yesterday,
which you have probably heard about, after which you the members of the audience will be accorded an opportunity of directing questions at Mr. Medina. And to that end, a microphone has been provided at the foot of the stage. Ladies and gentlemen, our speaker who needs no introduction, Mr. Othman didn't
bla bla bla
he tells us
Rama, you will know the image of reading as in
which he has learned
he was reading the Quran as if he was reading out of a book.
When it came to him, revelation came to him he called the scribes and dictated to them
said see a lot of one and only allow some
absolute lemelin he does not begin and is not because
what have you read? In the manual read it. You check it correct? That's right.
There was no fumbling. He was not now guessing he's like a man dictating a letter to the secretary. And he's like, No, no, cut that out. At this note
Like this, like that, didn't do that. He was reading, dictating as if he was reading out of a book.
And there was no
revelation was giving him the messages, which in turn was repeating as they were given to him. So Allah says, You were not in the habit, before this warning came to you, before Allah chose him as his messenger, he was not in the habit of doing such a thing.
To be aminika, nor were you able to transcribe with your right hand
Do you were not illiterate person.
You will also not in a position to read or write is alertable mcloon. In that case, had you been able to do that? If you were babbling, all the time talking, talking, talking, now you're talking the Quran, it could be understood or if he was writing, writing, if he was a learned man, reading previous scriptures, reading the Shastras, the Vedas and all that philosophies of the ancient Greeks and he could now dictate and rehash it, it would be quite a different thing. If he was used to talking like that before. And if he was used to writing then in that case, Allah says that the purpose of entity these babblers in the marketplaces, the hot hot gospel is this Bible thumpers they
would have had some reason to doubt that Muhammad, this is your handiwork. In your case, or Muhammad, they have not a stitch to have against you.
That he wasn't me will define this in the Quran in surah Anka booth where you find a booth, I was telling you yesterday, if you remember, if you were here yesterday, that if you have a translation, like this particular one here by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, at the back of this volume is an index
uncouth, and the A just like a dictionary look for uncouth and it'll tell you chapter 29 um, Caboose is chapter 29, I said was number 48. Once you find 2948 is easy to find.
Check it out. Check it up at home.
Not that you doubt me or any learned man who gives you Quranic references? No, there's no question of doubt. But if you take this trouble of going and checking up what you have heard you refresh your memory and that part of that knowledge will become a part of you and you in turn will be able to share with others.
You found that in anchor boot, if you want to find again in this Quran about a wannabe Kareem last Sunday in unlettered.
Now, look at the M Muhammad.
See this what everything that the Quran says about Muhammad and the M and you will find the unlettered means unlettered, not educated?
We do you find that this is chapter seven. Surah
Verse number 157. Very easy to find.
Chapter Seven, verse 157. You will find the Quran testifies that the Holy Prophet Muhammad was an enemy
and the enemies of Islam.
The Westerner has been testifying to this fact. Thomas Carlyle.
I mentioned this man yesterday in another context, Thomas Carlyle, one of the greatest thinkers of the past century, in 18 140, he delivered a series of lectures in this country
under the heading heroes and hero worship, and he chose lnav Kareem sallallahu Sallam as his hero prophet. Muhammad was his hero Prophet, not David, or Solomon, Moses or Jesus but Muhammad, this Thomas Carlyle, he defends I'm gonna be a creme de la sala, against the charge that he was a literate person he was acting as if he didn't know how to read or write.
Thomas Carlyle says
that he had no school learning, talking about Maha masala, that he had no school learning of the thing we call school learning none at all.
Reverend boss Will Smith, in his book, Muhammad and mohammedanism.
He testifies regarding the Quran and the prophets are the loudest Allah, He says, illiterate himself,
scarcely able to read or write. He was the author of a book
of a book, which is
a code of laws, a Book of Common Prayer, and a Bible all in one all in one.
And is a reference to this day by a sixth of the whole human race as a miracle
as a miracle
of purity of style, of wisdom and of truth. It is the one miracle claim by Mohammed, his tending myth, as he called it in a miracle Indeed it is.
This is the book of God, Allah testifies to it. And we have been proving it.
at the beginning of my talk yesterday, I mentioned that I was not going to go into details
about what is the Torah what is the subwoofer? What is the Injeel we Muslims, we believe in these heavenly books, that God Almighty did reveal his messages to mankind.
We named them thora saboo in G. And the furqan phukan is the Quran.
I said you have to get this book. I wonder if you got them yesterday. You received them yesterday?
If you haven't,
they might be available today. If not, at the Islamic Propagation center in Coventry road here in Birmingham, you will get it absolutely free of charge.
But I might refresh your memory regarding what is written there.
that the Torah
is not the Old Testament. The Injeel is not the New Testament.
Look, the Christians they don't call the Bible, Old Testament New Testament is Torah and in de lado, why should you
that what they say is this is keytab kitaoka, Diem, kitabi. Jedi.
That means the old book and the new book, that is what they call the old and the new. Why must you say Torah? Why must you say Injeel? Why must you say Sabu? Then what is this Torah is a Boolean gene. It is the revelation that God Almighty gave us.
We say that is the Torah.
Whatever Allah gave
David, the prophet David, that is the symbol, whatever he gave, whatever he gave to us, he Salah Salam is the Injeel.
Where is it? Where are these books as the Christians as the Jews? Where is that these books that God gave to Moses? Where are these books that God gave me, Salah Salaam, Jesus
asked them, you don't put your neck under the guillotine. He says Now look, you accept you accept what you accept,
is the principle we accept that Allah did reveal his messages. But when you look at the books, what the Christians themselves say about their own books.
In the Bible, printed by Collins,
they have a list of the books of the Bible.
And the authors of those books, the books of the Bible and the authors. I will only read out what the Christian scholars say that Collins translation
this one here
was brought about this RSV Revised Standard Version By 32 Christian scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 cooperating denominations of Christian them, they went and produced this book. And in this book,
12, to 17. It says, The first book of the Bible called Genesis, supposed to be the book of Moses supposed to be the Torah. This is what the Christian scholars say. Genesis author,
full stop then says one of the five books of Moses and the words, five books of Moses is written in inverted commas.
You know what it means inverted commas, you know those comments you put up to say you're quoting somebody, this is not what you say. When you quote somebody, you put the words in inverted commas, meaning this is what people say, we don't say that we 30 to learn admin of Christian then with 50 p denominations, churches, different church groups backing us up. We are not putting we are not committing ourselves to say that this is the book of Moses.
This is one of the books of Moses who say people say
you check it up.
It's in inverted commas. The second book, Exodus,
generally generally credited to Moses, generally that's what people say again, generally, everybody said that Moses generally is what people say. Leviticus the third book, Potter is generally credited to Moses numbers. otter generally held it to Moses, Deuteronomy. This is the fifth book, Potter generally credited to Moses.
This is what they say why should you go
Beyond that, I want to know
next book Joshua otter. Major part credited to Joshua is supposed to be the book of Joshua but major part credited to him that will the whole of the book is not his judges Book of Judges, possibly Samuel possibly. Samuel, a fellow by the name says he's possibly hero date.
Ruth author, not definitely known, perhaps Samuel, perhaps Samuel,
Ruth. First Samuel another book called First Samuel, author, unknown Second Samuel author, unknown First Kings Potter unknown Second Kings, author unknown first Chronicles author unknown Second Chronicles, Potter likely collected and edited by as a likely
Ezra author, probably written or edited by Ezra Ester, author, unknown job author unknown, and on and on. This is what they're telling
an anonymous book, not even the author who wrote them live. On one side, we've got one side, that the human authors, the writers are not even known who wrote them, but you attribute them to so and so so and so. So this is what they say, stick by that don't go beyond that.
Let's come to the New Testament.
This is the Injeel is the New Testament.
And Dr. Chavez did me a great favor. He gave me this Bible here.
Quite an expensive Bible.
This is, as I said, yesterday, a red letter Bible.
Red Letter, everything that Jesus spoke is in red.
That is what they tell us whether you accept or not, that's besides the point. But everything in red is Jesus, everything in black, nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus didn't utter those words of God, not even Jesus. And out of the 27 books of the New Testament,
in this particular volume 2121, out of 27, you will count the percentage 21 out of 27 books has not got even a red.or a dash or a doodle you know anybody scribbling nothing in red, not even a red scratch, out of 27 books 21 no marking at all.
And in the latest what they call the Living Bible, also RED LETTER Bible 23 out of 27, not even a read that dot dash or a doodle.
They're telling you this is not even a quotation of Jesus, not a single word of Jesus quoted in the 23 books out of 27. Not a word is quoted. And you said, these are the books of Jesus.
Look, this is what they're telling you that this is not the work of Jesus leave out God one side. Even Jesus didn't like the New Testament. And the bulk of it, not one word of him is even quoted inside.
The authors within the book.
What do they say?
We take Look, he is supposed to be the most learned of the evangelists.
Most learned, he was a physician.
In his Gospel of St. Luke, he says, chapter one verse one beginning.
He says, in as much as many have taken in hand to set in order, and narrative of those things which are most surely believed among us. Just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us. It seemed good to me also saying that others have done the job. It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first to write to you an orderly account, most excellent theopolis is writing to a patron of his a Greek convert, and he's dedicating this book to him, not God, he is doing it. And because others have done, he says, look, I think I can do a better job that is a less educated than myself. So I
can give you an orderly account that is writing hotchpotch here, there, everything mixed up. I'm going to give you an orderly account of Jesus Christ and the things that we have been learning
and in doing that,
that he has been copying from somewhere.
What is called plagiarism. You see our of my opponent yesterday, and previously he was boasting that three quarters
Have that wonderful Koran 75% of that wonderful Quran, in my wonderful language of Arabic is from the Bible. I challenged him again and again produce one verse from the Bible in the Quran, one verse, and he failed again and again he failed.
He was insinuating that lnav Kareem Salah loves him he copied from the Bible.
Here's the Arabic Bible. Here's the Arabic Quran, show me one verse.
There isn't. But let us see the charges that they're living against us is defeating them. I'm reading to you now.
Matthew, I'm sorry, Luke, chapter three, verses seven to nine. Luke three, seven to nine.
Just some of these verses I give you we have Abraham as our father. But I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from the stones. You read Matthew chapter three, verses seven to 10.
Amazing. Luke chapter three, seven to nine. Matthew chapter 317.
As if they are both sitting with somebody else's copy, and word for word word for word. It says we have Abraham as our Father, for I saw to you I I say to you, that God is able to raise our children to Abraham from these stones word for word. Therefore be fruits worthy of repentance, therefore be a fruit worthy of repent, and I'm quoting from both books. So then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him brood of vipers, brood of vipers, you snakes,
who want you to flee from the rock to come.
This is the same thing brood of vipers, who want you
to flee from the wrath to come? word for word between these two quotations in the Greek language out of 63 words 60 out word for word. In other words, in copying the fellow might have left out a preposition or an adjective somewhere out of 63 words between these 260 100% copy, word for word.
And the Christians, they do not believe in a verbal inspiration.
Meaning that God Almighty dictated
they were given the free choice, they were tickled, somehow
you know, we have our prejudices. So write this and write that they will tickle they will not dictated to, like the Quran we believe was dictated word for word. Allah, Allah The first one he he gives an idea Karim surah Salam is a
whenever you occur in Salah services man I said I'm not learned so the angel of God comments in a second
again I want to be a Korean seller so he pleads Monogatari said I'm not learning. How can I read? The third time the angel of God embraces him hard and says, Arabic Allah, Allah
read in the name of the Lord and cherishing who created so our nebia Karim sallallahu Sallam he grasps that what he was required to do was to repeat, because this Arabic word Allah means to read, to recite, to rehearse, to repeat. So he repeated the words as they were given to him. The first five verses of surah Allah chapter 96. And subsequently, during the next 23 years of his prophetic life, whatever was given word for word, a verbal inspiration, the Holy Prophet had it dictated and had it written down.
So verbal inspiration, the Christians do not believe in a verbal inspiration. They believe that all these writers were tickle and their own personalities they came in to the writing of it.
So plagiarism, copying cribbing we are asking them, where are these Matthew and Luke where they cribbing from Who are they copying?
JB Phillips, he gives the answer.
A preventative, the Chichester Katrina Cathedral in England.
Episode of the Anglican Church, the Church of England. In his book, The gospels in modern English, commenting on the Gospel of St. Matthew, He says, early tradition ascribed this gospel to the apostle Matthew, early tradition people were talking that look, this is Matthew, this is Matthew did the job Matthew did the job. But honors nowadays almost all reject this view. What scholars Hindu scholars, Muslim scholars, Jewish scholars, no Christian scholars, almost all
All reject the view that Matthew wrote, Matthew
is the author, we may still conveniently call Matthew, what else can we do?
And we have to talk about the book. So conveniently we use the word Matthew conveniently, instead of saying, the first book of the new New Testament, chapter five, verse five, the first book of the New Testament, chapter five was, what is this first book of the New Testament? First Book of the New Testament, is the same Matthew five, five, Matthew 517. Conveniently, we have to use the word Matthew, the author, when we may, still conveniently called Matthew has plainly drawn drawn on the mysterious queue in inverted commas,
which means pelaa in German, which means sources, mysterious sources,
which might have been a collection of oral traditions. He has drawn this man Matthew has drawn on Mark's gospel freely in the language of the school teacher, he has been copying wholesale from Mark, wholesale, and you call it revelation, you call it Ye, you call it Injeel.
This man is copying wholesale, from Mark and Mark was a 10 year old boy when Jesus walked this earth. Can you imagine an eyewitness to witness a companion of Jesus? He goes and properties a 10 year old boy who wasn't there.
Who's telling you all this? The Christian learned man, this caller is telling you what reason to doubt them? What is their motive?
Except honesty, they are honest, but it doesn't suit the evangelist, the preacher, the Bible company doesn't suit him. This is given by
the Bible. We have been dealing with numerous things.
According the format was according to his urging, he wanted us to speak for 75 minutes each.
As it looks 60 should be the limit is 75 said okay. 75 if that's what you want, and
who wants to speak first? Their coin was tossed. You see the mic system was not working at the back when shalosh came from the other side. And I we met in the middle with the chairman, and at coin was tossed.
You couldn't hear what was going on? Because of the mic.
There was no mic or double mic there.
So he said he was head and he got hit. He won.
So is it now Mr. deedat, because he won't he has a right to dictate. So he said Mr. De that you speak first spot in order. So I spoke first, because he had won the POS.
I spoke for 75 minutes giving facts, facts and figures, facts and figures, quotations, quotations that this is not the book of God. This is not the book of God. This is not the book of God.
When his 75 minutes came, he never touched it. Nothing.
Look here was an opportunity. One by one he would have picked them up. If not what at least half a dozen at least quarter dozen.
He wouldn't touch it. He had his own studies made up and he read out beautifully. He reached out to you all you know 700 miles an hour or 60 miles an hour ah
he's got me stumped.
Now the same thing what he wasn't quoting scholar scholar scholars scholars, one of them he quoted some Muslim scholar.
I wonder if you remember the name
marsudi Masuda Wallah, I never heard the name in my life
must Udi that he wrote in his book, that hazard alley. He killed 500 persons with his hands.
We are talking about the Quran. We are not talking about marsudi or kasali or whosoever or Madeira we are talking about the Quran.
Does the Quran say that? Has Allah kill 500 people with his hands?
No. We are talking about the Quran. He said Massoud, he said such and such so what are you gonna do with it?
You're gonna start battling with marsudi.
How many of you know but mostly the HMI has read about marsudi I haven't Well, I haven't.
But now if you are talking about authors, authors that you can know, you know, current authors people are living. I mean, current time. George Bernard Shaw, George Bernard Shaw, a playwright in England. He died.
that the most dangerous book on earth the Bible
is the most dangerous book on earth? Is it keep it under lock and key. Your children must not have access to it.
Well, Bernard Shaw is a critic.
He is not a good Christian. He's not a born again.
Well, listen to the born again, the plain truth magazine.
The authors are the Armstrong family, Herbert Armstrong, Trevor Armstrong, Ted Garner, Armstrong, the owners of plain truth magazine, seven to 8 million a month, they publish free of charge to the world, seven to 8 million. There's not another society in the world who can give our seven to 8 million copies of a beautiful full color magazine.
In their magazine, the plain truth October 1977. They say reading Bible stories to children can also open up all sorts of opportunities.
I don't know what opportunities he means. All sorts of opportunities. You read to them Bible stories, it opens up all sorts of opportunities for you
to discuss the morality of sex with the children.
incest, rape, murder,
all sorts of opportunities to discuss the morality of sex to little children.
And an expurgated Bible might get an X rating from some senses,
costs not worth having in the house.
an expurgated version of the Bible, we'll get an X rating, these are the Christian people telling you the church people that will get an X rating cross is not worth children having it.
Comparing the Quran and the Bible, Hans comb.
He's a German scholar
in his book called infallible.
Question mark is asking the question whether the Bible is infallible.
Who is this man?
He says the 43 year old Swiss born professor of dogmatic and ecumenical theology, and director of the Institute of ecumenical studies at proving game University in West Germany, was one of the select group of official theologians appointed during Vatican two council by pope john himself. pope john himself appointed this man known as the young prodigy of modern theology, Hans Kuhn. He says,
test the Bible
test the Bible is not a miraculous book like the Koran.
He admits the Bible is not a miracle book like the Quran, a sacred airfree book.
This is not a Muslim talking. He is a theologian of the highest order.
It's a sacred era free book, containing innumerable infallible propositions, directly revealed by Heaven to the Prophet through angels, that therefore has to be accepted literally, and consequently may not be interpreted or commented on. before touching the Bible. One does not have to wash one's hands. You can handle it as you like,
Nowhere do the books of the New Testament claim to have fallen directly from heaven. Nor
does the books of the New Testament claim they have fallen directly from heaven. On the contrary, often enough, they quite candidly emphasize the human origin. And he quotes Luke chapter one, verses one to three, but added to just the show the human origin.
Some of the things which he threw yesterday, Sharon.
Among them was I can't remember them all said question time. If you remember anything that you think is of importance that I have missed, please don't hesitate at question time to ask is Look, Mr. D. Dad, what about this or what about that because so many things he had been doing wholesale, you know, red herrings, red herrings. It's very, very difficult for the human mind to grasp all that. But if you remember any aspect, anything, any point that you feel that you should be explained, I'm at your disposal.
One of the things he said was that in the Quran, the name for Jesus in Arabic is Isa.
And you feel that this is in Congress, Isa, he said the name of Jesus was Esau.
classical Yeshua Yeshua classical Hebrew.
Common Hebrew, he saw, like you have the man James, you call him Jimmy or Jim. So they call Esau instead of a schwa. Yeshua is a classical name for Jesus. Most probably his mother named him Yeshua.
Commonly, he saw
Hebrew he saw in Arabic is
very close. You see these are sister languages Hebrew and Arabic are sister languages. These are dialects.
One says young, young young Yama, Yama, Yama,
sup, yo, yo,
same Salah, Shalom, same.
They're identical languages sounding similar.
So, Isa, is it is Esau, not Isa.
I am asking, Where do you get Jesus from?
He saw if that is his name, and you are taking exception to Isa a pronunciation in Arabic of that Hebrew name Esau. Isa,
where do you get Jesus from? Now? You tell me Now where does Jesus come from?
There's no Jane The name
is a type of sickness that the western has developed. Where there is no j he puts a j wherever
Jehovah Jehovah God Almighty, He puts Jehovah
Jacobi Jakob Yusuf is a Joseph J. JJ. He saw Jesus is Jesus and said, Look, we need to get this Jays from
in my country, if you do jaywalking, in a jaywalking, when you cross against a robot when the robot is against you. And if you walk across places where you're not supposed to cross the street. In my country, they give you a ticket. For jaywalking means you just walk like that don't care type. That's called jaywalking. The Christians have walked with J walking into people's names where there is no j. j. j. j. j, s, ready to get the J's.
Look, it's an amazing, amazing situation that he signed, he saw in the different languages of the world. They have the Bible he said in how many languages, hundreds of languages. Every language group has his own particular way of pronouncing the name. Africans in South Africa, they say to suit not Jesus, this is to suit
you take exception to that. That is their way.
But now is the thing is getting, they can swallow the camel, but they're struggling at the end, the net.
The challenge, the challenge, Allah says, tell them cool how to
produce your proof your evidence.
And at one stage, when I was mentioning, I said, Look, this is what you say.
And he said he was ready there and then at the very moment to come forward and give us the proof.
And I was a little
Don't blame me. The man was so enthusiastic. He seemed that his his got it man.
And when he came on, I'm listening, listening. I said, Now any minute, any minutes, we're gonna give the blow.
75 minutes went and there was no blue. I'm wondering what happened.
So during question,
during the rebuttals, he came forth, he brought a book.
But he didn't make it clear to the people what that book was all about.
I couldn't sense it. Then. It took me some time.
He brought this book,
this green book here. I wonder if you saw this. He was brandishing this book. And he was trying to give us a sample of something like the Quran.
He read out in Arabic.
And most of us non Arabs. We start wondering, what is it the Quran?
Quran we don't know the Quran by heart by memory. Silvia kissy sounds like Cena sounds like Arabic sounds like some Quranic words. He was reading from this book.
They have produced this new book,
a new gospel in Arabic. This book
is a book in Arabic of messages from the Bible. And they call it contextualization,
A new word for me.
In other words, they want to present the Bible to you
in a language which you are used to.
So they start this is the Bible, the New Testament messages from the Bible. You open the book,
first chapter, it begins.
It begins here, first chapter.
They're trying to produce now something like the Quran to challenge you that look, we can also do the same first verse, every chapter first verse Bismillahi, Rahmani Raheem, Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem, every chapter Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem.
Is this what you have produced? You copycats.
Can you see the deception? every chapter begins Bismillah that's the Quran. every chapter of the Quran begins Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem Bismillah Sati for example, so the common man the ordinary person when he picks it up, it is a Muslim publication. says Allah Allah, Allah, Allah and the language. These the photostat From there,
or the title, the title of this Sutras, the chapters
exactly like the Quran.
You see we have the Quran the sutras in the Quran, we say, Maki, Maki sutras and Madani Sutras, sutras that were revealed in Makkah Maki
and those that are revealed in Medina Madani So, they give you the same now they tell you these are not the sea
magazine, you know, this means it was revealed in Jerusalem or around. So when you submit the season, you know Maki you know Madani, gnaeus makdessi same same type of language they use when it begins 00 Budi Zakaria you read in the Quran, zero
of the zaccaria zaccaria alma 13 Makana shavon cabbie incana masabi
words from the Quran they have been stealing, stealing, putting inside the book. And now they produce this to say, see, as you see, we have produced something to compete with the Quran. After 1400 years, the Arab Christian has done it.
I think we should we should give them an applause.
After 1400 years is 14 million Christians, they did it. They have done the job.
And the percentage of the Muslims now
is what we have produced. Cheating, cheating, cheating, deceiving, deceiving, deceiving,
and to deceive the people. You remember the brother said Sharon, she said that 5000 Bibles have been shipped from America for you, for you Muslims
to be given to you free.
Very generous. The Christians are very generous. But it says it was wrongly addressed.
This is God's way. Allah Can you imagine?
But sooner or later, rectify the situation.
We are now getting this in our own country in my country, every Muslim is receiving this absolutely free of charge.
no greater love. The title of the book is no greater love.
Which young men won't do to read this. I wouldn't know who doesn't want to read it. Look when I was young, I was really reading through romance, love and romance. To let them up.
There's a stage a stage in every man's life. There was a time I started with comic ads, comics, comics, comics, and then I
i advanced to love and romance. And from there on out. I went to two detectives detective mysteries and then from there to mystic science and then on to religion. This is how your tastes cultivate from childhood you know from comics to
new crittall what do you think it is all about? Can you guess?
no greater love you these lady Chatterley's lover
has nothing to do with Lady Chatterley's lover. The book that was banned in my country for 20 years because a one four letter word inside there
you know what is this? This is the Injeel
This is the New Testament.
Look at it multicolored. Look at the beautiful rose.
catching fish. Any young man is going to take the Samson alexina What's this all about? This young hero
And the Romans.
Most probably, they will go to the directory and all of you who are in the directory, you might be getting this by post free of charge. So far, it tells us here 2,750,000 have been given out free.
You might be the lucky ones to get those 5000 in Birmingham.
Now to give you some fresh examples of what I was talking about yesterday, you see Dr. Sharon in the debate.
He mentioned one of the most stupendous feet of other Islam Jesus.
And he quoted from john, Gospel of St. john chapter three, verse 13.
He quoted, he says, no man has ascended into heaven. No man has ascended into heaven, except the Son of Man.
Who's the Son of man Jesus, except the Son of man who descended from heaven, who is in heaven.
There's john chapter three, verse 13. He quoted that
no man has gone up except Jesus.
But the men hadn't gone up and this thing was written.
It hasn't happened the the Ascension had not happened. And the man is talking that no man has ascended into heaven, except the Son of Man, Jesus, who descended from heaven, descend from heaven.
Luke tells us that when he was eight days old, Luke tells us when he was eight days old, he was circumcised and named Jesus by the angel when he was in his mother's womb.
So where did he come out from? From his mother's womb.
He said, he descended from heaven, who saw him coming down. The nurses and whoever helping Mary in this table, they saw this Jesus, this puny little child with all the food in the muck, which made his mother impure for 40 days, according to Jewish law, coming out of his mother's womb, now there's no he descended from heaven.
Who is in heaven?
And who is in heaven, but the man was on earth and is having a rough time with the Jews and the Jews are giving to him and his and he's in heaven. So in the next, you remember the five major revisions in the six major revision, the woods who is in heaven is not eliminated. In the Revised Standard Version who is in heaven is taken out because they're not fitting. The man is here on Earth. So who is in heaven? Whatever this hell that you're in? Is that your heaven?
The book gives you devilish advice. The Bible is the Word of God. Listen to what it says. It says,
Give strong drink,
strong drink hard liquor. To him who is perishing? Anybody who's about to die. any nation is about to perish. What you do, give them strong drink, give them hard liquor.
Open your book, open the Bible, and if you haven't, check it out. The Book of Proverbs chapter 31, verses six and seven. Proverbs
chapter 31, verses six and seven, open your Bibles and see the advice given this devilish advice given by God that people are dying like the Aboriginals of Australia. The white man has been given him drink the red Indians, you go to America, you go to Canada. See what is the fate of these people drink, drink, drink in Africa, drink alcohol, alcohol, alcohol. The first freedom that my country gave to the black people was what they called the bottle franchise. You can buy bottle now. Bottle franchise was the first franchise that we ever received in South Africa was the bottle. Give him drink. You want to make a nation to perish? You want to destroy people give him strong drink, says
the Holy Bible.
Let him drink and forget his poverty. Yes forget his sorrow and remember his misery no more.
That's the advice God give you that advice and have been seen you know as a boy, I used to go and see a lot of this cowboy films. And when the guy is dying I see that the game I thought the game a drink. And then then the guy goes off peacefully.
The man is dying. Did you drink? The man is dying the drink? Do you get this idea from a man who's dying if the Muslims they give them honey in water.
Easy digestible give you quick energy. The man is on the throes of debt. You give him a hard drink strong drink hard liquor. Not that's what the Bible says him hot drink so they give heartbreak. A man is dying give heartbreak imagine
perishing game heartbreak Angelica.
I don't know how
You see in the previous debate, he was quoting from the book of Peter, Second Peter versus one. Second Peter, chapter one verse 21.
And Jimmy Swaggart also amazing. They are all the evangelists are quoting the same verses. In America, Jimmy Swaggart, if you see the tape, he's quoting that verse. And you see the tape of Russia, Russia is quoting the same verse.
The verse I don't know, he forgot yesterday, because it's too many different things to read out.
It says here
for the prophecy came not prophecy telling you things that is going to happen in the future came not by the will of men, but the impact of men, by the whims and fancies of men. No, but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost, as the Holy Ghost moved on, because they wrote what they were told to write.
So the whole Bible is from God, the Holy Ghost tickle these writers to write what they wrote.
But the Bible,
in the book of Deuteronomy, you will be given a question time, enough time to ask questions. In the book of Deuteronomy, the fifth book of Moses, Chapter 18, verses 21 to 22.
It says, it puts a test.
He says, If thou say in thine heart, how shall we know the word with the Lord had not spoken? How are we to know whether God did speak those things or not with the people wrote,
was 22 is when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, in the name of God, if the thing follow not, if it doesn't happen, nor come to pass, that is the thing with the Lord had not spoken.
If a prophet of God tells you such and such a thing that God said, and if the thing doesn't happen, we know that this is not the word of God. That is the thing the Lord had not spoken, but the Prophet that spoken it presumptuously. Thou shall not be afraid of him. That's a test.
The Quran says.
The promise of God is true, whatever Allah says, must come to pass.
Beautiful test. Now, if we examine, if we examine
verses from the Bible prophecies, they're boasting about prophecies. 300 prophecies were fulfilled in one day.
The day Christ died 300 they say were fulfilled in one day. Let us look at this prophecies. One or two.
I'm quoting from the Gospel of St. Luke, chapter one, verses 32 and 33.
When the good news is given to Mary about the birth of a Holy Son,
and the good news is, he will be great, you know your son,
he will be great and will be called the son of the highest. And the Lord God will give him the throne of his father. His father, David, his ancestor, David Salaam, was ruling in Jerusalem, sitting on an earthly throne. He was a ruler, a king.
So the Lord God will give him Jesus, your son Mary, telling me your son, the throne of his father, David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob. These Riley's Jacob yaku, he later on became known as Israel and his children, the sons became the sons of Jacob, the children of Israel, and their families became the Bani Israel, the children of Israel. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever.
And of his kingdom, they will be new in
telling Mary, Look, don't worry,
they will be problems. But don't worry, your son will be great, and he will be the Son of God. He will be the son of the highest and he's gonna sit on the throne of his father David, and he will rule over the house of Jacob or the Israelis forever.
That's the prophecy. poor lady. She took on the burden of carrying this day for nine months, and she delivered it and bought endless incense from the Jews for this child,
Now, the fulfillment
into the Jesus sitting on the throne of his father, David, a pagan, a machinic, was sitting on the throne. Pontius Pilate, and he was sitting in judgment on Jesus and is asking Jesus, about the King of the Jews, you are you the King of the Jews? So Jesus says, Thou says that's what you say. Isn't Am I a Jew? To tell you that your people say that you are claiming to be a king. So Jesus says john chapter
at verse 36, verse 36, he says, My kingdom is not of this world. What kingdom? What kingdom
is a heavenly kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. He's a prophet of God.
He's the hearts and minds of men. Yes, but not sitting on the throne of his father David, his father, David was sitting on an earthly throne, giving judgment against people's slaughtering people according to His will. He was a king and a ruler. Jesus Christ is a victim of that chair
and ruling over the house of Jacob over the Israelis, who is ruling in Cyprus alumna whose real rule in Palestine, Jesus, or the Jews.
You don't need any super intelligence to answer that. Who is ruling in Israel, Jesus or the Jews? Who's ruling
And you say this is the fulfillment of prophecy.
God Almighty, He gives false promises. You see this Palestine? This belongs to the Jews, the man gave over the whole of Palestine 180,000 square miles from the Nile to the Euphrates and southern Lebanon also, it's in the Bible thrown in.
You know why? The Shankar and Samson Don't forget that. They are responsible for that mentality. you're prepared to do everything.
God promises Abraham This is you see, the Jews have a title deed to Palestine. Where is your title deed? So this is in the Bible. God gave it to him. So what did he give? He says here, Book of Genesis, chapter 17, verse eight,
I'm reading, also I give to you and your descendants, after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting position, and I will be the God.
That's what God promised Abraham, I will give unto you, and proceed after you on the line of Canada and the whole of Palestine as an everlasting position, and I will be the guy.
If this is Allah spotless, then the promises come true.
Let us see what the Bible says that same Bible in which you read this, let us see what it says in the book of Hebrews, chapter 11, verses nine to 13. It says 13 it says, By faith, his sojourn in the land of promise by faith, believing that he is going to get what God had promised him, as in a foreign country, dwelling intense with Isaac and Jacob, the is with him of the same promise, dwelling intense. Then in the book of Acts, Acts chapter five, seven, verse five, it says, and God gave him no inheritance in it.
The same Bible now the same God is telling him you look, I give you everything, you and your children
know the same God tells them is dictating to look in the book of Acts, and God gave him new inheritance in it, not even enough to set his foot upon. Not even one square foot of land
is the promise of God.
God promised him the whole of Palestine and the poor man he died without getting one square foot of land.
Is this one God?
prophecies are being falsified.
Jesus Christ had made certain prophecies.
he's telling his disciples, but when they persecute you, when they oppress you, in this city, flee to another when they persecute you here and away from, from Birmingham, to Leicester, from Leicester, as a prosecutor, go away to London keep and run.
For Assuredly, I say to you, most assuredly, surely I'm telling you.
You will not have gone through the citizen Israel before the Son of Man comes before returns, son of man, Jesus.
Ask any Christian who's the sentiments of Jesus, Jesus telling them, Look, when they persecute you don't worry, man, you run from one city to another, and to another. But before you go with the cities of Israel, I will be back 2000 years have gone and they ran in there and God Christians and they died and they were persecuted, and they hanged and crucified. And they were looking up to the heavens with Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, and even today, they're still waiting for Jesus. He hasn't come back yet. They have gone and finished fulfillment of prophecy.
And when will he come back? It says here in Matthew, I'm sorry, in Mark chapter 13, verses 26 and 27.
And 30 assuredly, more surely I'm telling you, I say to you, this generation, this generation, will by no means
pass away, you know, all these things take place. All these things Jesus Christ are gonna come with with thunder and lightning and glory. And they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send his angels and gather together as Eric from the four winds from the farthest part of the Earth to the farthest part of heaven. You collect them all, when this generation is telling them this generation shall not pass before all these things shall be, and 2000 years have gone, and nothing has happened yet.
I say forget, forget, forget this word of God or not.
On that human level, we were talking sane, sober people. I want your judgment.
That's God Almighty command, his emissary His prophets, to do shameful things.
And he has recorded in his book.
This is the prince of the prophets, Prince of the prophets, according to Sharon, Isaiah, he calls him prince of the prophets, his book, the book of Isaiah, he calls it the fifth gospel. If there are four gospels in the New Testament, this you can be added and make it the fifth gospel, according to
this prince of the prophets. This is what God does to him.
At the same time, speak the Lord twice. God spoke Isaiah the son of harmos, saying, Go and lose the sackcloth from the sidelines, you know, the sector that you're tying, and tie that and put the edge of the shoes from the foot. And he did so walking naked and barefoot. A prophet of God for three years is walking up and down the streets of Jerusalem or wherever he was absolutely naked, not even a G string.
Can you give me such instructions to his prophet? He's msre. Go and three years in front of his mother in front of his daughters, sisters, everybody. He's walking a prophet of God, one of the mightiest of the prophets of the Bible. He is walking naked for three years. And the Lord said like as soon as I had walked naked and go for three years, so we're gonna make you do the same elaborate Allah in the Quran. Is that he does not. Tell them in Allah Allah Allah.
Allah does not command any shameful D.
Hakuna Allah Allahu Allah tala mon you say about Allah what you don't know. in ignorance, God Almighty telling his prophets, to go walkabout naked.
And speaking language like this, God pocking said, Behold, I will corrupt your seed. This is the book of Molokai chapter two verse three, Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread upon your faces, universe.
us excreta Yes, God Almighty respect done on your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts, and one should take you away with it. Molokai two, three, and thou shalt eat it during another prophet of his another prophet of God, Ezekiel, God tells him chapter four verse 12, of Ezekiel, he says, and thou shall eat it as Molly takes.
What? And thou shall bake it with dung, that come up out of men in the site, what you see fresh dung, fresh excreta with barley cakes, you shall eat it. This is the this is God Almighty telling his profit between barley cakes with and fresh down to fresh, it must be fresh, not that stale, dried up thing and that you can burn like goat goat.
not like Shylock. You know Shylock Shakespeare made him famous Shiloh. He wanted the Christian one pound of flesh, he entered into a contract and agreement with this Christian, he lent him some money. He said, Look, by a certain date, if you don't pay, I could take one pound of flesh.
Shakespeare made Shiloh famous he made the Jews famous. Shakespeare, William Shakespeare.
When the contract was broken, he is demanding for one pound of flesh. That's all he said. I want one that according to contract,
but God Almighty He is not satisfied with one for one.
In the book of Exodus,
chapter 20, verse five, he says, For I am the Lord your God, Mr. gela score, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation. You make a sin, I am going to visit their sins and punish them to third and fourth generation
out of those who hate me, and
he he's gonna punish you seven times over for whatever you do. And after all, Leviticus, chapter 26 verses 1823 2428
After all this if you do not obey me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
you didn't do your homework, my son, so you're supposed to get one cut one lash, but no, no, this headmaster of yours will give you seven cuts. Everybody's supposed to get one cut for not doing homework, you will get seven cuts and by these things you are not driven by me. But what contrary to me, that also will work contrary to you and I will punish you yet seven times for your sins seven times. Then I also again, then I also will work contrary to you in fury, and I even I will chastise you seven times for your sin.
Allah tells us in the Quran, this what he says, Mullah ha, la yes Lima Miss Carla sobre, Allah will not do the least bit of injustice to you.
He says Jah will hostility fellow human Ha. If you do a good deed, he will reward you
better than God. You do one good deed. Allah says he will reward you better than your deed. He can reward you a million fold for every deed of yours good deed of yours. Woman job is sejati but if you do anything evil for La Ilaha
Illa makan? makan Ramadan, the dose of evil, only punished to the extent of the deeds whatever you deserve, you get you do God, Allah, Cambodia millionfold you do evil to the extent of what you have done, you will be punished. Because the Bible says seven times over and I'm going to visit the sins of the fathers into the third and fourth generation taking revenge.
God Almighty he deceives says the Bible he deceives he says he deceives or the Prophet is crying out Jeremiah the prophet. He says Jeremiah, Jeremiah book of Jeremiah chapter 20, verse seven, he says, oh, Lord, oh, Lord, you deceive me and I was deceived. God UDC V and I was deceived.
You are stronger than I am have prevailed. What can I do?
If you want to deceive me? How can I resist deception? You are stronger than I am have prevailed. I'm in Division daily. Everyone mocks me.
Oh, Lord, you deceive me, you are a deceiver. God is a deceiver. Allah tells him that he guys he does not miss guide.
And on and on, there's so much. There's so much Allah, there's so much I can keep you here for four hours. But that is not my purpose. I think we should now give opportunity to my brothers and sisters, Muslim and non Muslim, preferably our non Muslim Brothers first.
If there are any who would like to ask questions, I think they should be given the first opportunity to ask questions. And after give them the first opportunity. We don't want them to say later on. He said, Look, man, the time expired. And you know, they didn't give me a break. So people, I think if they will queue up there will have an idea of what amount of time to give to the questioner. The mic is there. I think the mic is too close to the stage. You know,
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, the mic is too close to the stage. So in other words, if you are sitting down, we can't see the questioner, if it can be full for the front. It'd be very nice.
If it can be pulled for the front.
That's better. That's better.
Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, for your patience here in just Allah.
Ladies and gentlemen, please be advised that you are invited to direct questions to the speaker, which are relevant to his address statements will not be welcome questions,
which are relevant to evaluate all those desirous of directly question that speaker, please proceed to the month, prelims will be given to those who actually come first, as a city that has indicated we should
allow the non Muslims to actually directly take these two together.
Before we get started, yes, I recommend those who are desirous of asking questions
and joining the queue at this stage in order to ensure that it's in proper order. You'll have a question, sir.
Yes, I'd like to ask Mr. deedat.
Why he didn't reply to my
letter that I wrote to him on the 15th of may 1987, which I know arrived in his offices in South Africa. And he didn't have the courtesy to reply to this letter. Could you please tell me? Why was it because he couldn't reply to his question is not relevant to his discussion. I appreciate that it must be.
Well, it does have to do if I might just say it does. Because in this letter, I raised the question
as to whether the modern Quran is a true representation of the original work of Mohammed, because I sent to Mr. D, that
it was the question raised in this letter, I am raising that question.
To answer the question, What was the question? Chairman? Mr. Chairman, what was the question? The modern day Qur'an is a true representation of the original work of Muhammad?
What was that?
The question is, is the
a true representation of the teachings of Muhammad?
Yes, has he been added to as the book that I mentioned in this letter claims that the Quran has been added to over the centuries now, Mr. deedat, levels, a challenge to the Christian about the Bible being added to but in fact, these book claims that the Quran has also been added to over the centuries? Would you like to reply to that? In other words?
Or has the any changes? correct? That's correct, right.
This Quran is the same Quran that Muhammad left word for word. And for 1400 years, this is the only religious book on the face of the earth, which has remained pure without the change of a dot. And these are the testimony of Sir William Moya, that the only book remaining so pure for 1400 years is a 1200 years of old, but for 1400 years is this book, this is the book that Mohammed left, there is no change in this book. Why didn't you tell me that?
I don't you in my 1987 asked you that.
you one question, normally, but there was more important one. And that was that you are challenging the writings of the Old Testament, commonly known as the Old Testament, now really speaking, Are you challenging the Jews or the Christians, because these are Hebrew writings. And it's not right and fair to direct such criticism to the Christian world.
This book here, the Old Testament, the Christian say, is the book of the Jews, the Bible of the Jews, the Old Testament, the old and the new, put together is the Bible of the Christians. So the Jews are being challenged as well as the Christians in what I said yesterday, and what I said today, because most of the quotations were from the old and the new, so if the old applies to the Jew, the Jewish challenge, as well as the Christian, because the Christian owns a whole whole lot older than you realize that for the Jew to answer,
if they keep a little away from the mouthpiece, if they keep a little away, you know, because to close that site.
I would like to know,
I would like to know your views on Muslims marry Christian wives, because, so far we have established that the book which has been,
which is with the people are which is known to be the book is not the book as economy.
So, if the Muslim mind is a Christian,
which we think that those Christians are not.
So what is the position of America
between Muslims and Christians?
I think that you are a Muslim. I am a Muslim. Yes. You see, we had made a request a plea that please give the non Muslim brothers and sisters an opportunity first to ask questions, but however, since you have asked
I will respond
You see, there is a possibility for a Muslim marrying a non Muslim woman, a Jew or a Christian. But the idea was and is that that woman will not remain where she is. Because this whole community, the Islamic Ummah, was good.
When this permission was given, it was good in changing people.
immediately as soon as my son, for example brings a Christian or a Jew is in the house, a woman I am interested in converting her. My wife is interested in converting her the whole family is interested in converting her the whole environment is interested in converting her. But today according to modern standards, my son will tell me he says, Daddy, this is my choice, You mind your own business. Now you know that in Islam, it is my business to mine your business if you are a Muslim, I have every right to see that you go right. It is my business to see that you go straight. So there is no such thing.
There is no such thing as my business and your business for a Muslim. It is every Muslims business to mine every other Muslims business. So today now our brother and because of that possibility, they are marrying women who are outside Islam
with this idea that everything is alright. But in the hearts of heart, if they're Muslims, they must believe what Allah tells them in the Quran. Allah says in the Quran laka feralas inacol in the lava Massoud Maria, anyone who says that Jesus Christ, the son of Mary's god, they're making Kufa is an act of blasphemy is an act of treason against Allah. Wa Carlile mercy but Christ said you have any real children of Israel with Allah worship Allah rapira bukem with my Lord and your Lord, in whom I usually Billa whoever will associate anyone with ALLAH the hub Ramallah Leah Jana 11 maganda Tera vaada Heaven will be forbidden for them.
And the fire of hell will be that will in place mama is all Amina means are and for the homeless, there'll be no one to help you believe that, if you believe how can you stay with this woman having one child and two and half a dozen and you know she's gonna go to hell. And your children are going to church and worshipping Jesus and go to hell. And you say you love them. You hypocrite Who are you bluffing? I'm not addressing you. I'm addressing the guy who's marrying these Christian woman and allowing them to go to church, allowing the children to go to church and knowing if he believes in the Quran that they're going to go to hell. And you say you love this woman? You said yes. You she
gets the slightest prick of a needle, and you go berserk, you become sick. You love her so much said yes. And now the Quran says she's gonna go to hell, and your beloved children will go to hell, and you do nothing about it. You're a hypocrite. When you say you love her. You mean sexually you are satisfied with that. That's what you mean. So this is hypocrisy on the part of the Muslims who are in the Christian woman also amazing thing. amazing thing is happening, that the Christian missionaries, they are not forbidding their women to marry Muslims. I had a case when I was in Karachi, that eight Pakistanis with the Christian wife from Britain, they turned up to give a hard
time to a new convert from a British who had become a Muslim. And they came with three Christian missionaries, eight Pakistanis, with eight Christian women with three missionaries, they came to heart and to one of our brothers who had become a new brother in faith.
So the thing is this, the Christian missionaries who turn up with them, they don't mind because they know that this is a good bait. The women is the good bait that they're using to get this Muslim and his children over into Christianity. So they're using it as a bait. We have to be on guard.
Mr. D that I have sat down and I listened to you
quoting from the scriptures.
One in particular that you bought it from us, I believe you said it was proverbs 2167.
But you thought about giving strong drinks, to unwind to men that are dying.
In fact, the passage of scripture that referred to drinks such as proverbs 20
However, I'm disappointed that you yourself did not vote verses one through seven, rather than just six and seven. I'd like to pick something straight by reading this passage to the audience.
I have the Bible given to you by Sharon.
Right, open it and you read it six and seven.
What does it say in your Bible?
Read it read a little slow, read it a little slow six and seven so that I can grasp.
This was one we suggested that you read into the first one, but please do it slowly and clearly.
Chapter 20 verses one and I'll read right through to seven.
A Why are you reading chapter 20? When I quoted you, chapter, what was that?
As a chapter 31 verses six
What is there?
But why 20 I told you 31 because
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You see what I'm trying to say?
The Scriptures need one needs to give a balanced view.
A balanced view of the Scriptures. Now,
I've listened to you.
remember what you have read from chapter 20. Very well in fitting. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
Now I'm listening to you now.
I'm listening to you now. I listen to you. Now you listen to me.
Write what you read from chapter 20.
Very beautiful. We agreed because the Quran condemns alcohol in any form. But when the same author in chapter 31, verses six and seven, he says give strong drink hard liquor to him that is perishing. Those words? Do they mean anything to you at all? Do they convey any sense to you at all?
You don't need to say
hi, I can I can't follow what the brother is talking about.
Are you saying? Are you saying sir?
Mr. DITA is the reference to the section relating to alcohol was quoted out of context? Is that what you're saying? So he gives a one sided view of what the scripture is? Do you want to explain why it was contextual and not?
Give up on the point.
Right, what I want this audience to know
that we are not interested in statements. We have invited people to engage in a debate with Mr. De Landa. And you could very well have done so but you will now ask you a question. It is important right? to address your question, Mr. Dean, and the reference which you made to
the questioner said that it was quoted out of context, the context let him read the context. Why read chapter 20 when the chapter is 31
The context the context is the text that goes with it before or after. I'm sure you understand Simple English. The context is the text that goes with it not chapter 20 not chapter one, not Book of Genesis.
was high was four was three was two was one, read it in the context
for support on through to six chapter 31.
It is not for kids.
It is not for things to drink wine,
nor Prince's strong drink.
Let's say drink and forget the law
any of the effective
gifts from right under him that is ready to prepare and whine under those that being a VFR. Let's forget about it. And remember this misery no more
bright light you have done it, you have done it.
This is telling you that the words of King Lim ul the utterance which his mother taught him, what my son, and what son of my womb, and what son of my walls, do not give strength to women, nor your ways to that which destroys kings, it is not for kings, it is not for kings, the rulers or Lemuria. It is not for kings to drink wine, the Kings must be sober, the Kings the rulers, they must remain sober, the white man in Africa he must remain sober American in America, in Canada.
the Australian rulers of Australia
Listen, it is not for kings means rulers or the mule. It is not for kings to drink wine, not for Prince intoxicating drinks, less they drink and forget the law less they drink. They are to rule they must be doing very good. Good advice. Na Na verse six, and give strong drink to him who is perishing?
Look, you rulers you must drink, you're gonna rule. In the rule. If you are drunk, you mustn't drink but now you give to those who are perishing. Give them this is in the context, I'm reading in the context, give strong bring to him with perishing and wine to those who are bitter of heart, let him drink and forget his poverty and remember his misery no more. That is what they're doing in, in South Africa, the black man in Canada, the red engine in America, the red engine, the aborigines of Australia, in India, this is what is happening
to all others and opportunities.
So my name is Tony, I come from France. And you know, it's just been transformed. And my question is, what would you say to
a religion entrepreneur that wants to say to this question
is not directly related
to the speakers, it is permitted to answer the question, what is your opinion? What is the Islamic perspective relating to a person who does not believe in religion? Is that the gist of the question that effectively is no, here is some risk. In fact, I am not convinced it is. And I would like to know what you know, sexual harassment is not very well. Once this person says to
me, Oh, yes. One is quitting, but a non believer.
And the question is, what do you say about believing or not believing? What is the Islamic perspective?
You see, there is a person who every person ought to believe he believes in something right or wrong.
There is a type of person who say who doesn't believe. He said, I don't believe that there is God. He says, I'm an atheist, or the guy says, I'm an agnostic.
Now, each and every one according to religion, whether any religion, you ought to believe
you ought to believe. If you don't believe then you are a non believer, you are against the laws and commandments of God. So as such, you will perish.
That person who says there is
No god, he's gonna perish. The one who says I don't care whether there is or there isn't, he is going to perish or you have the wrong concept of God also you will be punished. According to your understanding your capacity, your opportunities, there is a type of person who might not have heard the name Jesus, Will God question him is unjust is unfair, the lunatic, the child? Will God question him, why didn't you believe in my son Jesus? No, why didn't you believe in Muhammad? No, see, each person will be judged according to his understanding, according to his opportunity,
his know how, and the message has been reached him or her. So as soon as the message is delivered to you, and you can see, you can see the truth, but for some worldly reasons, maybe to please the family, please might people please this please, that? You said No, I will not accept the truth. In other words, the person has already been judged. In that case, there is no hope for such a person. But there is a type of person who might be ignorant that never had an opportunity. Like like the South Sea Islander, let's say he never heard about Jesus. He didn't hear about Muhammad. He didn't hear about anything. But he was leading a life according to his norm. According to his standards,
God will judge him according to his standards, not according to the Bible, not according to the Quran. So every person will be judged according to his opportunity and his understanding.
My question to Mr. Leader concerns his opinion on a major theme of, say, among Jews in ancient Israel, they have been slaughtered an animal to pay for their sins, the lives of the animals given up. And Christians are constantly say that, since Jesus was God, His death upon the cross with the atonement for the sins of anyone who believes in him. Now in Islam, is the system for taking away a person's sin. What is the system?
Very nice. Say in Islam, no sheep, or goat or cow. The slaughtering of an animal can take away your sin.
No slaughtering of a human being good or bad, can take away your sins. Nobody dies for your sins. Each and every individual is personally responsible for his or her doings. Whatever you do, you pay for it.
Good or bad, you will be rewarded or you will be punished. Nobody pays for somebody else's sins. In Islam, the way to come right with God is to believe that there is God and listen to His commandments. What he tells you to do, you do, you're on a good weekend. You are in his good books. You listen to His commandments. He says, You shall worship none but me.
Personally, I worship you through this man, or through this monkey or through this elephant is, look, I don't want it. I want you to worship Me and Me alone. But he said, No, no, no, you see, this thing helps me this makes easy for me. God says I don't want it. So in other words, in Islam, you believe in God and carry out his commandments. And if you made a mistake, you repent.
Repent means you turn back from whatever you have done. And this is exactly what the Bible is teaching.
In the book of Ezekiel, we are told the soul that sinneth it shall die. Whoever sins He will perish. The Son shall not be the iniquity of the Father, neither shall the father be the iniquity of the Son, the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, whatever the good thing, the good Mendez, he will get the benefit, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. But if the wicked will turn, repent, come back from all the sin that is permitted, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die, that is Islam, saying, there is no change in the laws of God, there is no change. You must pay for your sins. I pay for my nobody can pay for your sins, and
nobody dies for your sins, and Christ didn't die for anybody's sins, he didn't die.
on unlocking the benefits of an
all in one teacher now with just a crack at the edge of creation, when the Lord God created heaven and earth, like Genesis or not,
there are so many things which are common
between the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims.
The Bible speaks about God creating the heavens in the earth in six days, the Quran says, God Almighty created the heavens and the earth, and all between in six days. But so there is a common denominator between what the Jews believe the Christian believes and the Muslim believes. But it doesn't go right through and through
the sea, it doesn't. The concept that is given about God, the Quran doesn't confirm that when Adam and Eve when the act of that forbidden fruit,
they became aware of that nakedness.
And they heard the footsteps of God walking in the garden in the cool of the day. You know, mighty big giant, boom, boom, like mighty king kong, walking in, who in the garden in the cool of the day, so Adam, went and hid himself away in the bushes.
I'm giving you a reference from the Bible Book of Genesis, he hid himself away in the bushes. So God comes and stands where Adam was a few seconds before. And he scans and he asks, he shouts, he said, Adam, Adam, where are thou?
An impression that God didn't know where Adam and Eve were, or he was paying hide and seek with Adam and Eve, Adam, Adam, wear a towel. So Adam peeks through the bushes. And he says, I'm here,
said, Why are you behaving like this? He said, No, I'm naked. So how do you know that you're naked? You were not supposed to know. So this is you see, you have been eating of the fruit.
So Adam says is a woman that that gave was to me, she made me to eat. And you woman, she said, it is a serpent that beguiled me.
Now all that thing is not in the Quran is not in Islam. This is all in the Bible.
just Suraj mentioned two things. One about fasting about Muslim people with fast new male mockery when you clarify that as well, please. And let's take one question. As to Sam, please read out that first question again slowly, basically, is exactly what Dr. Sorrell said, when he was making a mockery of
women's the past but as he as he came to the city, it was costing him to train himself. So all the Christian brothers to know that we were fast.
The whole thing. We are having difficulty
getting on the stage.
Dr. Suresh, actually, yes, Dr. Sharon,
actually stated that it was insulting Muslim people about Ramadan, Ramadan, the Rebbe just yet, but he entered the stage. And he himself said that he thought it was praying. So he basically contradicting what you're saying, I just wanted to know that. And your question is, this is just to clarify the people about fasting.
Yes, sir. Where do I fit in?
I think what Dr. Chavez was trying to insinuate was that the Muslims they passed, but at the end of the day, they wash themselves. So what is the value of fasting? That is, that was his criticism? I don't think it was to say that we should do fast, because Jesus Christ told His disciples, that when you fast, do not fast as the hypocrites do, they don't wash their faces. They don't brush their hair. You see with unkempt hair, mocking their eyes. And if you meet one of those guys in the flesh, is what's wrong uncle? He said, I'm fasting is a no, you don't do like that. You wash your face and you brush your hair. Nobody knows that you're fasting, but you must fast on a level. We Muslims are
also supposed to do the same,
but not to God ourselves. To the extent that some of us human weakness, we do, but they do fulfill things with the Christians don't do at all.
Yes, sir. Mr. Leader, you've been telling us? Sorry. Is this a day that you've been telling you a speech today about the contradictions of the Bible? That's very good. Secondly, you were saying about the fact that the Bible has lived up to its contents. That's fine as well. That's one side of the story, but can you scientifically show some facts from the Quran? from the Quran to show
The Grammys of elevation from God, revelation from God, please, that would be ideal for the Muslims and the non Muslim brothers.
You see, there are so many things in the Quran
which lends itself to scientific discoveries and proving of creation, for example.
You see, if you meet one of these young men, or learned people, those who say that there is no God
is one of the answers to the previous questioner like depends on the type of person that you are meeting, you can use that type of facts that you have at your disposal. You meet a man of learning a doctor, a professor of astronomy, biology, or whatever. And yet he says that there is no God.
And when you ask him,
according to his learning,
the origin of this universe, how did this universe come to be? And that person will postulate is going to start explaining to you that you see, millions of years ago, billions of years ago, this universe was one piece.
And there was a big bang.
And out of that big bang, that explosion,
this universe came into being and things started moving in space, and they have been ever since moving at a regular pace.
So that type of a person, we might ask is,
will reject this idea from when did you learn this about the Big Bang? So no, yesterday?
Because 50 years is yesterday in the history of men. 50 years is only like yesterday. So he discovered that there was a big bang according to astronomers, according to a physics and out of that this universe came into being. So he said, you see an illiterate man in the desert 1400 years ago, he couldn't have known that.
This is not another
say well listen. Now we go to Quran. Allah says in the Quran, Allah Mira, Latina cafaro do not the unbeliever See this? He says agnostics those who say that there is no God can they see our lesbian Latina Kapha anisimova T will Agha Kanaka rockin the heavens and the earth. We joined together as one unit of creation attack nahama and he's with the messenger. And the biologist. You asked him where this life originated? is in the sea, in the water in the Maya. Where did you get that from? It's a no, it's our discovery. When did you make the discovery? He said yesterday because 50 years is yesterday in the history of man.
So an illiterate man in the desert. He couldn't have known this
lesson. Allah tells us through Mohamed el amin, Alma Aquila, Shanghai, and he has made from what every living thing of aluminium, will you then not believe you atheists you agnostic, you men of science Will you not believe? Look
at all these ideas from
plants plant life, animal life, variable life within every life is has got pays.
1400 years ago in the desert, this man is talking. Where did you get the idea from? He says Subhana Allah, Allah Allah. Allah says Glory be to God,
who has created meats of everything, in order to have that return produces women and physical and from among yourselves of the animal kingdom, when we malayala Moon and all the things that you know, not
male or female, positive, negative, is created mates of everything of the things that you know, and the things that you don't know. So these are for people with eyes with sins, they can see that this is not the work of Muhammad, an illiterate man in the desert could never have been able to utter these things. It is from the source of creation, who has been giving it to him that this is the book of God.
Ladies and gentlemen, Well fortunately, we have just about two minutes left of question and all the things have to come to an end so we can only accommodate one further question.
Mr. Gaeta, I have impression but my question has been misunderstood. I didn't want to challenge you or to hurt you. I just wanted to ask you for some advice for a person who doesn't believe
I just wanted to ask you for advice because I am not an ally.
But I just want some advice.
Do you not feel that there was sufficient advice change? Did you require further advice? Yeah.
That's my question.
So you want to know what the bases are or what the reasons are for a person to actually believe.
See, number one, we have to realize that there is a necessity for belief. If you don't believe you can move an inch, you can bat an eyelid. We believe the very fact that you believe that if you can stand before the mic, and when you utter the words, the words will reach me, if you didn't believe you wouldn't have taken that step. If you didn't believe that, you will be visiting this hall and listening to a lecture you wouldn't have come. So, belief is fundamental is basic to any move that you make. Now without belief, believing what that there is a creator. Number one that somebody made this machine, man or woman he made it and that this machine is not given without instructions. Every
machine carries with it instructions, no matter how simple that mechanism is. You get inside your washing machine, your hairdryer, your Modica, anything, everything you need a book of instructions, this most complicated mechanism, the human being
created and left without instructions. He says, No, he has to be given instructions. And God Almighty, we believe that there is a creator and this creator through his messengers, one of us he has been conveying those messages to us directions instructions to us, whether those instructions remain in the pristine purity or not. That is something that is not debatable, but the instructions were given. And it is true those instructions alone, can men find ethics can men find morality. Without these instructions, there is no ethics and there is no morality. Man, being an animal by nature, he will behave like animals, is only because you believe that there is a creator and this
creator said that thou shalt not marry your mother, you will not marry your sister, you will not marry your daughter. We say we believe we believe we believe you say no I don't believe then the person is nothing better than anyone. See the dogs and pigs the way they behave is that well, I believe that just the same because I'm an animal also. So you have to believe. But now what are you going to believe? Where is the source of, of that belief instructions, which is not contaminated, which is not spoiled. In the origin, we say all prophets of God, all messengers of God were divinely ordained, but the messages will be caused they will not preserved God sent messengers after
messengers, messages after messages. This is his way to rectify his creation. And in that system of sending messengers to mankind, Muhammad was the last the culminating point in that messenger ship and he left with us this book. And if you read this book, with an unprejudiced mind, if you haven't got one, I can present one to you, if you haven't got it. This is an English translation of the book The Quran, with an index, anything that you want to know you want to know about God, open G God more than 140 different references that you said I can't believe in God so he reasons with you. This god of the Quran doesn't say I'll fix you up and I'll twist your nose and I'll you know, I'll put your
Nana. He says our lm urology Nakuru said how can you not believe in God?
This is Luna Bella. So how can you not believe in Allah Vokoun combat and seeing that you are non existent, you were there, he brought you into being a human, it will cause you to die.
And we'll bring it back to life again from Malaysia to June and we will be your return. So if you start reasoning, and you see how true the statements are, that you will non existent you I everybody non existent, the men of science will tell you that this earth was a molten mess, billions of years, you know, there was nothing on this earth, no life. The thing was all boiling, boiling, and the wave has went up and came down and the vapors went up and came down. And over a period of millions of years, it started to cool, and then life started to germinate and so on and so on. So there was a time when mankind was non existent, and God brought you into being very true. And now you're gonna
die. But that is not the end that you know, there is something we knew, which is other than the body that will you know, that real you which is the driver of this body of yours will be made to account for your actions. It's only natural that this person like Hitler, look, he got away with it. He incinerated 6 million Jews on account of him. 40 million people died in the Second World War. He's just gonna kill us for free. He said Madden believes and there's nothing there on the other side. That means
Spray finish. No, no, no, he will have to account for his deeds everyone will have to account for his or her deeds. It is a natural, you know, sequence of our attitudes and behavior. And this book explains all that. If you haven't bought one, this book is yours if you haven't got one.
Ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately, all good things come to begin with at the end of the podcast when we cannot come up with any further question, once we learn.
If a single one of us, a single one of us has acquired some knowledge by being present, then the whole purpose of this meeting has an energy of gratitude to the organizers has to do
with the use of data
especially must be made of
the director of the local branch of Islamic Propagation center, but very significant.
Thank you, the other members of the movement