Adnan Rashid – Qadiani Runs From Muslims Question

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The speakers discuss the importance of researching and studying the Bible's teachings to determine their truthfulness. They stress the significance of word use in the Bible and the need for people to be heard. They also mention the importance of researching and studying the Bible's teachings to determine their truthfulness.

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			Just recently where the khalifa Went to germany
		
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			where I was visiting and I couldn't come
		
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			to your stream 47,000 ahmadis by the
		
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			grace of allah were there and just on
		
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			the jalsa three days 40 uh 39 ahmadis
		
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			who just came Muslims and non-muslims who
		
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			just came to observe accepted islam So your
		
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			claim of uh, you know some remote part
		
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			of africa people are accepting this and that
		
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			And that's the only point that's absolutely false
		
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			people are opening their eyes There are those
		
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			christian missionaries who have felt themselves and they
		
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			are They are recorded interviews saying that by
		
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			looking at this man's face You can tell
		
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			he's from allah and we've been we've we've
		
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			felt something here.
		
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			They pray behind him So let's not talk
		
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			about these things and the you know These
		
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			are just side points and another point that
		
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			you brother mansoor made and I want to
		
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			answer that with regards to brahini ahmadiyya We
		
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			have dealt with this very very extensively in
		
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			our stream We don't want you not to
		
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			come on our stream, please You want agnan
		
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			to come we're having a stream, you know
		
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			next week Inshallah, just as we come to
		
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			your streams, we will be respectful.
		
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			He knows we were respectful respectful Without any
		
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			time we gave him as much time as
		
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			possible and anon would agree to this for
		
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			him to speak So I think it's not
		
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			correct way over whether muhammad said that when
		
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			you know, we're not being respectful and we're
		
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			not giving people time Okay, so the point
		
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			about uh with with regards to that you
		
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			made about uh, you know 50 and 5
		
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			Every time we mention rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam
		
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			or ahadith First of all, I must mention
		
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			this it is not to attack our beloved
		
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			prophet rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wasallam or anbiya who
		
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			were mentioned in the quran But it's to
		
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			show you a mirror and to say that
		
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			the usul that you guys have concocted At
		
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			home, he said sitting on his bed.
		
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			He's writing these down It's something that does
		
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			not exist in the quran or anywhere.
		
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			For instance We we have an example when
		
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			rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam went to miraj, right?
		
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			And he came back Okay that the five
		
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			the 50 prayers were replaced with five Okay,
		
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			if someone raises a raises an allegation now
		
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			Oh, you know first allah the almighty granted
		
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			him 50 and now is replaced with five.
		
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			It'll just it'll just be you know It
		
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			will not be a nice Argument at all.
		
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			So when the promised messiah sallallahu alayhi wasallam,
		
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			you know, right says with regards to writing
		
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			50 parts of rahim He himself explains this
		
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			later on that and and and brother, uh
		
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			Adnan rashid himself said that he wrote 80
		
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			plus books Which he said he hasn't read
		
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			page to page, you know, he has he
		
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			has accepted this.
		
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			So so the point I wouldn't like to
		
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			read them.
		
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			I wouldn't like to read them Okay, that's
		
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			that that's fine that's your choice but but
		
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			but Let me compete you made a very
		
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			nice picture with brahini hamdi holding in your
		
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			hand, you know No, it was it was
		
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			it was it was it was ruhani khazaan
		
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			not brahini ahmadiyya No, you had one because
		
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			i'm in in your hand you're holding Yeah,
		
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			yeah, not not brahini hamidiyya.
		
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			I have I have the first edition of
		
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			brahini hamidiyya in my my personal library If
		
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			you don't want to read it, why do
		
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			you have it?
		
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			Because it's a piece it's it's it's a
		
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			piece of history.
		
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			I'm a historian.
		
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			Is that why you have it?
		
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			Yeah, 100 percent.
		
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			I I I have people I have I
		
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			have items from uh, Many ancient civilizations, so
		
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			that's a separate question.
		
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			So I want to quickly very quickly talk
		
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			to you about this.
		
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			Okay Uh when we when we you know,
		
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			when we are doing these streams we're not
		
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			doing these streams to Uh insult you and
		
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			insult your religion and your understanding We're simply
		
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			trying to explain to the ahmadi innocent gullible
		
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			ahmadi masses that They don't know mirza.
		
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			They haven't read.
		
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			I mean I can guarantee you most ahmadis
		
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			like most sunnis to be fair They haven't
		
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			read the literature.
		
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			Okay, and uh when when we do present
		
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			these things We we are we are being
		
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			very careful.
		
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			We don't take his writings out of context
		
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			Okay, we when we present, uh, his character,
		
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			let's say his abuse his swear words Or
		
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			when we present his false prophecies We're not
		
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			spinning those facts.
		
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			We're not we're not trying to manipulate things
		
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			In a way that they're they're actually not
		
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			okay Can I prove that you do can
		
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			I prove that?
		
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			Can you can you just let him speak
		
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			ahmad and then you can have your statements?
		
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			Yeah, yeah, for example, for example when we
		
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			say muhammadi begum prophecy wasn't fulfilled we spoke
		
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			about it extensively showing That mirza made it
		
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			made it a sign of his truth Okay,
		
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			it never happened Up to the end of
		
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			his life.
		
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			He was hoping that this will happen.
		
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			It never happened Okay, you cannot dispute that
		
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			number two.
		
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			He made other prophecies like about the death
		
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			of abdullah atum Okay, it didn't happen at
		
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			the right time for example Okay, then he
		
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			he he made a prophecy about you know,
		
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			abdul hakeem Dr. Abdul hakeem, even though dr.
		
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			Abdul hakeem changed his time, but mirza himself
		
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			in july 1907 he said that allah will
		
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			prolong his life I have the references by
		
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			the way.
		
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			Yeah, so so when we people like me
		
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			Okay, who has no interest in reading mirza's
		
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			books?
		
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			Apart from the fact that we want to
		
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			reach out to the ahmadi community and do
		
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			dawah I would only read them for the
		
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			sake of dawah Okay, so that we can
		
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			speak to the ahmadi community when we see
		
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			all these things mirza's unfulfilled prophecy repeatedly one
		
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			after another one after another repeatedly You really
		
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			want our people to believe in mirza?
		
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			Only uneducated people only uneducated people who do
		
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			not know mirza and his reality will fall
		
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			for this Uh for this, uh, okay, you
		
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			know facade Yeah So the point that you
		
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			made that you don't change words or you
		
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			don't hide stuff and stuff Why is it
		
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			that in the entirety of that stream?
		
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			That you didn't when razi mentioned countlessly to
		
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			to mention the reference of anjami hatim from
		
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			1896 Where the promise was and two references
		
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			that you did not mention knowingly, but the
		
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			promise musa alaihissalam says Okay
		
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			Okay, one second just listen to it again,
		
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			he says it is easy to determine Right
		
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			the fair fast luck to to come to
		
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			a conclusion that tell the damad, you know,
		
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			the the the the the the son-in
		
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			-law To to do taqzeeb Okay of the
		
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			uh to to publish a taqzeeb, right meaning
		
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			to publish denouncing his repentance Okay, then after
		
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			that if he does not die within the
		
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			miyad Mentioned by allah the almighty to me
		
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			then I am a liar Okay, when did
		
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			he say this?
		
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			When did he say this?
		
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			1896 Okay Let me complete let me complete
		
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			and then the second reference that you mentioned
		
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			he was after her he would this and
		
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			that Exactly the way that the christians spend
		
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			their entire life brother muhammad imtiaz said I
		
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			I am the most learned in this Wallahi,
		
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			it does not matter Christians have spent their
		
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			entire life studying the rasulullah salallahu alayhi wa
		
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			sallam.
		
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			Yes, they are not guided Yes, they are
		
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			not guys.
		
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			Yes, why correct is the intention?
		
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			But there is a there's a difference Okay.
		
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			Now, let me complete wait.
		
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			Wait imtiaz bhai imtiaz bhai.
		
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			You've had your time.
		
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			Let me let me speak with it Yeah,
		
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			yeah, let me give you the same point
		
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			then in majmua ishtarad in the first jizd.
		
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			No, no, wait ahmad You're raising a lot
		
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			of points.
		
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			It goes step by step just two points.
		
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			Just two points last point last point Yeah,
		
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			the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam says
		
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			and I quote in urdu says We had
		
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			no need to mention uh to to request
		
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			for this For this proposal Every need of
		
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			mine was fulfilled by allah the almighty He
		
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			gave me children That
		
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			he will be uh, he will excel You
		
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			know, uh in in in his works and
		
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			and we and we know who he was
		
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			from from from the community's perspective The second
		
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			khalifa of the promise.
		
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			Okay, i'll have to stop you there because
		
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			you missed a few points You made a
		
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			few points This
		
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			sign was for the family That allah the
		
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			almighty shows them the sign so this prophecy
		
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			would only be false and this is my
		
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			last statement If ahmad did not die within
		
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			the prescribed time and when died the natural
		
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			reaction of the family Or if it was
		
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			that they considered the promised messiah to be
		
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			a liar They opposed him and they did
		
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			not do that.
		
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			But as he mentioned names of those, you
		
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			know family members who accepted the promised messiah
		
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			So I I'm, you know, people are dumbfounded
		
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			to sit here.
		
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			I think you spent three hours Discussing something,
		
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			you know an element of the prophecy which
		
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			promised messiah has himself explained in anjami atam
		
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			why that part of the Prophecy one that
		
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			that that the element of the prophecy that
		
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			was revoked in 1908.
		
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			Razi mentioned the reference as well So let's
		
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			not play with words.
		
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			Let's not play with references.
		
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			You claim you don't play with references.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			Okay, you're going on you're going on.
		
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			Okay Let me let me very quickly come
		
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			back to a few points because i'm not
		
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			going to take long as well Firstly, uh
		
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			the christians studying the prophet's life and not
		
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			believing in him They they are real disbelievers
		
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			kuffar for not believing in him because they
		
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			are Deliberately rejecting him knowing well that there
		
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			are clay cut Explicit prophecies about prophet muhammad
		
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			sallallahu alaihi wa sallam, which the quran refers
		
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			to okay So the reason why we blame
		
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			christians for not believing in the prophet and
		
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			hold them accountable is because there are clear
		
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			prophecies In the bible about muhammad rasulallah sallallahu
		
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			alaihi wa sallam, there's an arabian prophet i've
		
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			written a book on it It's being published.
		
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			It's in the process right now.
		
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			It's called abraham fulfilled.
		
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			It's coming out very soon That's my field.
		
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			One of my fields is comparative religion and
		
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			I have co-authored a book with three
		
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			authors alhamdulillah Um in total three authors is
		
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			coming out very soon Okay, so there are
		
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			prophecies upon prophecies about muhammad rasulallah sallallahu alaihi
		
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			wa sallam in the bible There are no
		
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			such prophecies about mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani Anywhere,
		
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			there is no mention of a prophet his
		
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			geography his characteristics His his uh his teachings.
		
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			There's nothing about him.
		
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			Okay Um, so this is this is one
		
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			point second point.
		
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			I wanted to mention is that you you
		
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			mentioned, uh very quickly about uh Him, uh,
		
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			you know in anjami atam you the first
		
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			quote you read Uh, where was that from?
		
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			1898 Page 32 page 32 and what was
		
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			the year?
		
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			The year the book is published in uh,
		
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			uh, 1896 1896 1896 and what did he
		
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			say in 1896 in this book?
		
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			What do you say?
		
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			He says Asan yeah No, no,
		
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			no, I I I just want a summary
		
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			you read it already I need a summary.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay Okay, he says The tell that the
		
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			the sultan muhammad who is uh, uh, you
		
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			know son-in-law There to publish Okay,
		
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			renouncing Me or or or or the repentance
		
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			that he did?
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay Whatever Him because now he has repented
		
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			so that me out of his death is
		
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			gone.
		
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			He has okay Okay Okay So what was
		
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			his crime what was his crime What was
		
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			the crime of sultan muhammad, what was the
		
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			crime of sultan muhammad tauba from what Sorry
		
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			The crime of sultan muhammad was what tauba
		
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			from what?
		
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			Tauba from what what do you mean?
		
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			What are you asking?
		
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			What crime did sultan muhammad commit?
		
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			From what crime did sultan muhammad commit?
		
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			Yeah for for what did he make tauba?
		
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			He he he believed that the prophecy that
		
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			was made against ahmad beig Was correct No,
		
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			no, no His crime was marrying muhammadi begum.
		
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			You you want to prolong it this discussion?
		
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			No Okay, i'm telling you he has accepted
		
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			that the proxy was fulfilled hence he Hence
		
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			he repented Imtiaz bhai wants to come in
		
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			very quickly.
		
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			Yes.
		
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			Yes.
		
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			Imtiaz bhai.
		
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			Come in, please Okay, first of all, uh,
		
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			uh ahmad, uh, welcome to the stream brother
		
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			Thank you So, uh brother ahmad, uh because
		
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			I there was one particular point, uh specifically
		
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			with my name So I just want to
		
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			address that first.
		
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			So brother ahmad, you know, you will agree
		
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			with me Everything has a context as they
		
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			say they're saying That a text without context
		
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			is pretext.
		
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			Okay, so nothing can be taken out of
		
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			context.
		
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			So when I mentioned That you can say
		
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			that I was compelled to mention That look,
		
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			I know the books of mirza sahib more
		
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			than anybody else why I have to say
		
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			this that the context was Brother ahmad right
		
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			from the beginning pretty much in every stream.
		
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			We are being taunted that we have not
		
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			read mirza's book We're taking them out of
		
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			context.
		
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			We're not reading in the in the in
		
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			the right context, etc, etc So in this
		
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			context brother ahmad that statement was made so
		
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			without that without having this context in brother
		
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			Into mind that statement obviously Is not the
		
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			right statement to make so that was very
		
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			important clarification And then brother i'm very quickly
		
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			because you mentioned even though our topic in
		
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			this second part of the stream was not
		
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			What we have discussing but because you mentioned
		
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			few things.
		
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			I just want to make a very you
		
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			know quick You can say observation as well,
		
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			which will be obviously off topic because we
		
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			are already off topic anyways, okay so brother,
		
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			uh, you mentioned that You brothers basically the
		
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			ahmadiyya community you maazallah you said that maazallah
		
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			we don't attack the prophet Are you still
		
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			uh agree with this?
		
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			Absolutely.
		
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			Okay now brother ahmad now brother ahmad.
		
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			Okay, brother The judgment of the of the
		
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			final day is a very crucial matter for
		
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			all of us Regardless of we are standing
		
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			on which side of the history.
		
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			Okay, brother now, let me quote you three
		
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			Passages they are very short passages very sweet
		
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			messages and I want you to respond Is
		
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			it attacking the prophet or not?
		
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			Okay.
		
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			So first I will quote and then I
		
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			let you respond brother.
		
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			Okay But we're going off topic Let me
		
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			respond to your point because What you mentioned
		
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			that ahmadiyya jamaat does not attack the prophet.
		
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			That's not a truthful statement.
		
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			I want to give you the evidence Okay,
		
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			brother In the in maktubat ahmad It is
		
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			the new edition volume number two page number
		
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			205 And this maktub is as you know,
		
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			very famous and very close person to mirza
		
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			sahib was muhammad ali nawaab Sardar muhammad ali
		
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			khan that was from malir kotla.
		
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			Obviously, you know this so uh, brother the
		
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			context is that people after the the debate
		
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			of uh of Abdullah atham, okay the people
		
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			some people including including the cousin of mirza
		
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			sahib's wife saeed They became apostate because their
		
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			understanding was that mirza sahib has lost the
		
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			debate and then From those people who mirza
		
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			sahib sent as an ambassador to negotiate the
		
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			terms of debate between him and abdullah atham
		
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			One of those people was yusuf patan yusuf
		
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			patan became apostate as well and there was
		
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			a great unrest in the jamaat in 1894
		
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			because the the term of abdullah atham death
		
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			has passed He did not die and the
		
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			christians were beating the drums in the street
		
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			and basically obviously they were Humiliating the someone
		
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			who was representing islam in this context in
		
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			this context Uh nawab muhammad khan of malir
		
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			kotla He wrote a very harsh letter to
		
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			mirza sahib and mirza sahib was very sad
		
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			because he mentioned his letter that look i'm
		
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			very You know upset because the thing you
		
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			mentioned this is the context Okay Now listen
		
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			what he said now mirza sahib is because
		
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			the issue is the issue is people have
		
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			become apostate Close relatives have become apostate people
		
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			from the response of the Wait, wait, it
		
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			is only one point only one point people
		
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			from jandiyala people from jandiyala This was a
		
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			place from where the people came to take
		
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			mirza sahib to represent them in the debate
		
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			with abdullah atham Those people also many people
		
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			from jandiyala became apostate as well So in
		
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			this context mirza sahib is giving a reply
		
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			And an answer to calm down the jamaat
		
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			and guess what he said.
		
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			I will quote world to world.
		
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			He said Okay In
		
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			english he's saying because the topic is people
		
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			becoming apostate mirza sahib said The in in
		
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			the event of hudaibiya when the first year
		
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			of hudaibiya journey when the umrah or the
		
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			pilgrimage was not performed Some of the some
		
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			of the sahaba Now is not talking about
		
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			the munafiqun some of the sahaba.
		
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			Okay from some of the muslimun They became
		
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			apostate now yesterday brother ahmad.
		
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			I did my research.
		
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			Okay, that is simply not true and it
		
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			is very painful You know why because the
		
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			hadith says that whoever gives pain to my
		
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			sahaba It is though as though as he's
		
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			giving pain to me.
		
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			Okay So if somebody is referring to sahaba
		
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			that they became And who which sahaba so
		
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			la hudaibiya the first year of hudaibiya journey
		
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			that resulted as a better is one Okay,
		
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			the pledge of better is one the people
		
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			who were given the glad tithing of Okay,
		
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			those people mirza is saying they became Is
		
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			it not the prophet why because attacking the
		
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			companion of the prophet according to hadith is
		
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			attacking the prophet himself, please respond Okay.
		
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			Thank you so much for that.
		
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			I think the the the the beauty of
		
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			this all is that the whatever, you know
		
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			We are nobody here.
		
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			Let's be let's be very honest us, you
		
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			know Who defending the honor of the promise
		
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			of sallallahu alayhi wa sallam the great greatest
		
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			lover of rasulullah?
		
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			He sallallahu alayhi wa sallam We are nobody
		
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			here He has himself answered all these things
		
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			in in his book and since you said
		
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			you have read all of his books You
		
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			must have read anwarul islam.
		
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			Have you read anwarul islam?
		
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			Is Yes or no, yes or no Why
		
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			why do you play these games answer it's
		
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			no games it's no games because you make
		
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			big Answer this question.
		
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			Have you have you?
		
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			I'm answering i'm answering i'm answering i'm gonna
		
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			ask you 50 questions about history books and
		
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			then you're gonna You know on page 28
		
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			the promise of sallallahu alayhi wa sallam says
		
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			in urdu and i quote Is Okay, then
		
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			he continues Oh, oh unknowledgeable person who is
		
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			a Enemy of allah enemy of allah enemy
		
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			of allah These
		
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			people were were kicked out of the jamaat
		
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			by the promised Please please stop Okay Murda
		
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			Murda To hum they became isai.
		
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			They became christians because because of wanting the
		
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			world He says and then to hump to
		
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			this That many many christians in these 15
		
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			months actually became muslims To So
		
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			this is about another allegation but Now, let
		
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			me complete you you spoke a very long
		
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			time He himself answers that these people were
		
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			kicked out of the points of islam himself
		
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			from from the community due to Due due
		
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			to them them themselves being fasiq Right, and
		
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			these people became christians because of their love
		
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			for duniya.
		
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			Now the second point that you made one
		
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			of the great No, no, no, you made
		
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			three four points.
		
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			Let me answer brother.
		
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			There's only one point You made point to
		
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			point One more point You made jandala point.
		
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			Let me address that point One of the
		
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			greatest, you know treachery that you guys do
		
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			and the biggest hypocrisy is when these jandala
		
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			mission Jandala muslims were going from corner to
		
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			corner asking muslims to come and represent them
		
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			again Against henry martin clark and your ulema
		
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			was saying to boycott this this mubasa They
		
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			said and this is quotation From and this
		
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			is for adnan to go back and see
		
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			from henry martin clark in the christian missionary
		
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			society themselves Okay, i'm also a student of
		
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			history and they said they could only find
		
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			a champion in mirza ghulam ahmed of qadian
		
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			They couldn't find anyone from the entirety of
		
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			india Okay, and you're telling me you're telling
		
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			me sitting here.
		
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			You're telling me the only person who debated
		
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			them and you're three minutes You're telling me
		
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			it's not going anywhere anyway guys Please please
		
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			relax Relax, relax.
		
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			Relax.
		
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			Let's not try to stick to two minutes
		
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			each because otherwise it just goes on and
		
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			on Okay, so so I think it'll be
		
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			good uh research for brother adnan mansoor and
		
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			all others who are listening to go And
		
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			search what the christian missionary?
		
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			Wrote about the promise let me complete please
		
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			don't interrupt about the promise messiah alaihe salatu
		
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			wassalam when when he represented the muslims Right
		
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			when he represented the muslims when every other
		
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			of your scholars was sleeping, right?
		
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			They were sleeping.
		
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			They were there.
		
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			They couldn't come forward.
		
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			Listen.
		
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			You're still not answering the question.
		
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			You're not answering the question You are is
		
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			not answering the question i'm going to rebuttal
		
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			please let him finish.
		
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			Okay, I think it's done now go on
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay, brother.
		
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			First of all, brother.
		
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			I'm sorry I want him to answer the
		
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			question Okay now brother ahmad first of all
		
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			Whatever you said That will be responded in
		
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			its due time.
		
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			I have taken notes of all the points
		
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			you mentioned and I promise you always all
		
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			of them Answer me a direct question Mirza
		
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			sahib said that some of the sahaba they
		
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			became murtad or apostate Because the first year
		
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			of hudaibiya the umrah or the pilgrimage was
		
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			not performed Is this statement a statement of
		
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			truth or is it an allegation?
		
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			On the sahaba and I explained before putting
		
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			allegation on sahaba according to the hadith Okay,
		
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			it is putting allegation on prophet.
		
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			Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam He said that whoever
		
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			give aza pain to my sahaba.
		
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			He has given pain to me And okay,
		
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			so understand this so, please give you only
		
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			have 30 seconds.
		
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			I want a clear response Mirza sahib said
		
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			some mukhlis sahaba became apostate after hudaibiya.
		
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			Do you agree or not?
		
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			Please give me direct answer If we prove
		
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			this from your own tafasir, would you become
		
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			an ahmadi?
		
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			Why don't you answer directly why you ask
		
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			a question with a question If we prove
		
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			this from your ahadith, you made a big
		
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			claim.
		
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			Would you become an ahmadi?
		
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			No irrelevant.
		
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			You need to answer the question rather than
		
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			asking another question Okay, the point is that
		
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			particular statement that you're mentioning.
		
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			It's not in front of me.
		
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			I haven't read it I would have to
		
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			go back read and come back to you.
		
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			That's fine.
		
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			No problem, but you made a point about
		
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			I will speak.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			We have to go point to point No,
		
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			not at all not at all.
		
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			Okay, my first question you said that you
		
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			do not have the answer Okay, when you
		
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			go home Okay, give the answer okay, okay,
		
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			I did not say I don't have the
		
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			answer so don't don't misquote me that's that's
		
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			no I said I haven't I think your
		
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			question was have you read what?
		
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			What?
		
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			My question is my question no, no, no,
		
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			I don't want people to be confused My
		
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			question was mirza sahib said that after the
		
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			first year of journey for For the pilgrimage
		
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			to towards hudaibiya When the umrah was not
		
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			performed some of the sahaba became murtad or
		
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			apostate.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay If you agree with this Yes, I
		
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			agree.
		
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			If you don't agree say I don't agree
		
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			if I am no listen, let me finish.
		
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			Let me finish.
		
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			Okay I am not asking you that what
		
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			are them for sirun have written.
		
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			No i'm asking you Sahib said this do
		
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			you agree or not?
		
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			Okay, now let me speak for 30 seconds
		
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			and don't interrupt please don't interrupt okay Yes
		
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			So as I said first if you interrupt
		
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			it you people would see this When adaman
		
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			came to i-stream, even if it was
		
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			false, we did not agree.
		
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			We did not interrupt we let him speak
		
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			So have that patience for you know for
		
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			god's sake.
		
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			So the point i'm trying to make here
		
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			is That particular part that you're mentioning I
		
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			have not read i'm going to go back
		
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			and read and come back But the point
		
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			that you then went on about sahaba Is
		
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			about the allah one who will do and
		
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			as to show the people that we don't
		
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			respect sahaba is absolutely incorrect When rasulullah sallallahu
		
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			alaihi wasallam is told in kitab ut-tafsir
		
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			That on the day of judgment some of
		
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			his companions will be taken to * in
		
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			bukhari kitab ut-tafsir He says usai habi
		
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			usai habi These are my companions Rasulullah sallallahu
		
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			alaihi wasallam is told you do not know
		
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			what these people did after you And we
		
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			have the katiba wahi abdullah bin sarah who
		
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			also deserted islam So there were people who
		
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			did desert islam.
		
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			That's the point that i'm trying to make
		
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			it.
		
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			Okay What did rasulullah?
		
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			No, no, i'm not finished.
		
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			Please.
		
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			Relax.
		
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			Relax.
		
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			What did you said 30 seconds?
		
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			You said 30 seconds You have a very
		
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			bad management of time or understanding of time,
		
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			isn't it ahmed?
		
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			i'm finishing i'm finishing Rasulullah I'm saying the
		
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			hadith of rasulullah, please listen have respect for
		
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			rasulullah rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam said I would
		
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			say as the righteous man said Oh allah,
		
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			I was a guardian among these people as
		
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			long as I was among them Oh allah
		
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			When you raised me up or adnan when
		
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			he caused me to die Oh allah when
		
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			he caused me to die You were a
		
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			guardian over them he uses this in kitab
		
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			ut-tafsir it is a digression I accept
		
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			this What is this got to do with
		
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			this question nothing, why do you do this?
		
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			No, you said to respect and then you
		
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			are the one who is doing the disrespectful
		
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			thing by waffling by not answering the question
		
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			If you don't have an answer like you
		
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			said look, I haven't read it.
		
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			It should have stopped there Hadith of rasulullah
		
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			is a waffle.
		
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			Come on.
		
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			No, no waffle meaning not related to the
		
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			question Okay
		
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			now alhamdulillah the two things have been established
		
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			number one Who has read the books of
		
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			mirza sahib people can see now alhamdulillah Second
		
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			point is alhamdulillah.
		
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			He admitted clearly And I will have good
		
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			assumption as a muslim.
		
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			We always have good assumption I would not
		
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			try to say that maybe he's trying to
		
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			hide.
		
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			No, I will have good assumption He said
		
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			that I do not have the answer for
		
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			this particular reference Okay Now ahmad, please note
		
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			down this point then in the next team
		
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			when you come the first point you need
		
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			to address is this one Mirza sahib said
		
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			that after the first year of journey towards
		
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			hudaibiya some of the sahaba became You have
		
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			to tell us when mirza said this was
		
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			it a truthful statement or was it a
		
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			lie that point is finished now Because the
		
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			topic is wait.
		
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			I'm at the topic is because you made
		
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			a very big claim in the beginning You
		
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			said that you ahmadis do not attack or
		
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			maybe disrespect the prophet.
		
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			I am just portraying for the people.
		
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			Please be quiet I'm just portraying for the
		
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			people that that is not simply true.
		
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			Okay Now i'm going to give you the
		
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			second example first one is done.
		
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			Now i'm giving you the second example.
		
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			Okay now, please No, no one second You're
		
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			being very kind to them very compassionate not
		
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			with these people not with these people this
		
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			this missionary type Okay Just listen to me
		
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			just once listen to me listen to me
		
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			you're letting him off the hook Here you
		
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			asked him a very clear question Okay, you're
		
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			letting him off the hook.
		
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			You're moving on to something else without establishing.
		
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			I am not we were I am not
		
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			Okay, wait, wait He needs to tell us
		
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			Where did the mirza?
		
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			Where did the prophet get this reference from?
		
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			And where are the apostasies after hudaibiya I
		
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			really look look why is this important imtiaz
		
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			by why am I doing this?
		
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			I'm doing this so people know mirza was
		
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			a liar He was lying uh through his
		
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			teeth And if you move on this point
		
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			will be unestablished.
		
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			I am not moving on please.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Wait, okay He needs to show us Where
		
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			are those sahaba?
		
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			Who apostatized after hudaibiya if that's not the
		
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			case If they did not apostatize after hudaibiya
		
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			or during the time of hudaibiya and if
		
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			ibn kathir didn't say it Why was mirza
		
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			making this up?
		
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			I need him to do answer now over
		
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			to you now You can talk over I
		
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			want this answer from him.
		
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			Yeah No, no, because because look adnan bhai
		
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			we all have different personalities different style of
		
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			discussion.
		
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			Okay, my style is this okay?
		
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			He admitted that he does not know about
		
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			this particular reference.
		
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			No problem.
		
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			No problem.
		
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			We have noted it down Adnan let me
		
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			speak.
		
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			We will read it.
		
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			We will read it to him Yeah, allow
		
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			me to finish brother, please yeah, okay I
		
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			have showed to the people my point what
		
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			i'm trying to show to the people is
		
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			that this statement that Ahmadiyya jamaat or mirza
		
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			ghulam ahmad did not attack the prophet.
		
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			That is not a truthful statement I am
		
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			showing examples on this subject.
		
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			I gave one example of hudaibiya apostasy Okay,
		
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			now i'm gonna give him second example on
		
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			the same topic and I want people to
		
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			take note and Please I want people to
		
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			listen very carefully in ruhani khazaim volume number
		
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			15 Page number 535 Okay, okay imtiaz bhai
		
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			one second Is this going to support the
		
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			same point that mirza was insulting the prophets
		
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			and the sahaba, correct?
		
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			Yes, correct Wait, wait there.
		
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			Hold on.
		
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			Hold on there.
		
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			Hold it there.
		
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			Hold it there before we go to that
		
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			imtiaz bhai here mirza is basically Lying he
		
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			has already lied and you're moving on from
		
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			that We will go to that point you're
		
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			raising I want ahmad I want ahmad to
		
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			tell us did mirza lie And if he
		
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			lied Why did he lie?
		
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			And if he lied, he's a false prophet.
		
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			Yeah, because he doesn't know so we will
		
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			let him go Okay, can can you read
		
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			the reference?
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Sorry one second.
		
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			I'm not going forward guys Because guys if
		
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			you said if i'm the ameer on the
		
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			stream i'm not moving forward until this point
		
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			is established Uh, uh imtiaz bhai should we
		
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			let ahmad go so he can research and
		
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			come back no, no Maybe show it on
		
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			the screen if you have it wait guys,
		
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			can I can can you can you let
		
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			me handle this imtiaz bhai?
		
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			Can you read the reference again?
		
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			One once again before we move on to
		
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			the next point which we will allow you
		
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			to make You are more than welcome to
		
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			make that point.
		
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			But before we go there, I need this
		
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			one to be dealt with Read the reference
		
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			again, please.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			I'm gonna read the reference for the audience
		
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			again And I don't want to go into
		
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			the context the context very quickly is Some
		
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			people have from the jamaat of mirza.
		
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			You've explained it.
		
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			You've explained it Some people from the jamaat
		
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			of mirza sahib have become apostate Okay, and
		
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			people there's a great unrest in the jamaat
		
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			in this context.
		
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			Mirza sahib is giving A reply to his
		
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			people on the topic of apostasy what he
		
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			said.
		
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			He said that Okay, and
		
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			he's saying this with regard to the first
		
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			and this is in the New edition second
		
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			volume page 205 Okay.
		
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			Now what is what he said?
		
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			He said that many people became apostate Because
		
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			of the first year journey towards hudaibiya when
		
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			umrah was not performed He is drawing a
		
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			parallel between this and when people his from
		
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			his jamaat became apostate what he's doing is
		
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			He is answering a direct question to his
		
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			jamaat The okay if this is the case
		
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			with me if my people have become apostate
		
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			so was the case Please everybody pay attention
		
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			if my people have become apostate So was
		
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			the case with the jamaat of prophet muhammad
		
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			sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
		
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			This is how is Doing the answer so
		
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			ahmad Has said and I want to still
		
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			respect his position He said that he does
		
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			not know how to answer this particular point
		
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			Or he may be no, no, no, no,
		
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			no, no, wait, you you don't do that
		
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			for him.
		
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			You don't do that Okay, wait, you have
		
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			read the quote.
		
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			Thank you imtiaz bhai.
		
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			Thank you very much.
		
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			Allah bless you You read the quote the
		
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			quote is there muktubadi ahmad volume two.
		
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			Okay, you you have given the page number
		
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			as well mirza said it that uh sahaba
		
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			sahaba sahaba apostatized At the time of sulh
		
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			udaibiya I want ahmad to produce those references
		
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			from the history of islam and if that's
		
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			not the case Then mirza is a liar
		
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			Okay, can I respond Yes directly Don't bother.
		
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			No, listen, don't dictate adnan.
		
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			You don't know ask something answer the question
		
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			You don't have an answer say I don't
		
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			say I don't have an answer Is that
		
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			what we did to you?
		
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			No, is that how we treated you go
		
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			back to your stream go back to your
		
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			stream Listen to it again.
		
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			I wasn't waffling.
		
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			I was giving direct answers.
		
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			He was waffling.
		
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			He was a lot.
		
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			Okay, that's fine Let people should have called
		
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			him out if he was waffling.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			No, no, why why were you being?
		
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			We would like an answer ahmad from you
		
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			go on directly is not respecting is disrespecting
		
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			the time of everyone No, i'm not disrespectful.
		
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			I don't have time to waste it Relax
		
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			and listen.
		
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			Yeah, okay.
		
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			You think it's some of them a huge
		
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			point that you've made?
		
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			Okay First of all, as I mentioned there
		
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			is a fact that companions from the life
		
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			of rasulullah.
		
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			Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam Some of them did
		
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			desert Some and okay, this is stop this
		
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			i'm gonna stop you now.
		
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			I'm gonna stop you now stop playing games
		
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			We're not answering that question.
		
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			We're not asking that question.
		
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			We know the history.
		
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			I I'm teaching sira I'm teaching sira brother
		
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			Time i'm asking a question did people did
		
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			people mirza is talking about Yeah, did people
		
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			did sahaba apostatized at the time of hudaibiya
		
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			if they did What are their names?
		
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			Okay, because he said multiple he said many
		
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			Who are they?
		
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			And if that's not the case, then what
		
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			is mirza?
		
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			Look simple simple.
		
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			I I hope I hope hundreds of people
		
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			watching this live right now.
		
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			I don't know There could be thousands watching
		
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			no problem listen to the answer and if
		
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			you don't agree with that you say you
		
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			have an answer No, no, no, no, no
		
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			either No, either either mirza sahib is telling
		
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			the truth.
		
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			He got it from somewhere, which is fine.
		
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			No problem We are we would happy to
		
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			be stand corrected.
		
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			Okay Okay, if not If not, then mirza
		
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			sahib made it up in which case he's
		
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			a liar.
		
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			Which one is it?
		
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			No, i'm i'm i'm i'm not going i'm
		
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			not going by your dedication here No, i'm
		
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			not dictating i'm not dictating you tell me
		
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			to answer if you need If you need
		
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			help if you need help go out of
		
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			the stream speak to your scholars speak wait
		
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			ahmed Go back go out of the stream
		
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			speak to your murabbis your scholars.
		
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			How the * do we deal with this
		
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			one?
		
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			And if you have answers wallahi, we'll let
		
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			you in we'll let you in again.
		
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			We are still here We're gonna let someone
		
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			someone else in if you can't answer this
		
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			question.
		
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			I'm not going to move forward.
		
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			I am not going forward Okay, wait wait
		
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			imtiaz bhai wait wait wait, I know what
		
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			i'm doing wait I have I have 15.
		
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			Yeah, I have 15 15 to 20 years
		
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			of debating experience.
		
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			Trust me Okay, so i'm asking you ahmed.
		
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			I'm asking you ahmed ahmed mirza said at
		
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			hudaibiyah Many companions apostatized Yeah, and he attributed
		
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			this information to ibn kathir Where is it?
		
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			And who are the companions?
		
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			Okay, and if that's not the case Mirza
		
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			made it up And in that case mirza
		
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			is a liar.
		
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			Which one is it?
		
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			Okay, let me answer.
		
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			Let me answer.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			Yeah Okay, if we show you from your
		
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			mufasireen that this exists Whether in ibn kathir
		
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			or any other book listen, no, no mirza
		
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			Look, look show me show me listen to
		
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			what?
		
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			Read read don't waste time then read read
		
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			Listen open your mind and listen and try
		
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			to understand what i'm saying Okay, I am
		
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			saying and brother imtiaz by allah i'm saying
		
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			this i'm not aware of that quote We're
		
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			going to go back and look into this.
		
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			Okay, but the point i'm trying to say
		
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			this listen Listen, let me complete the points
		
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			relax relax relax.
		
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			I am aware of a reference mentioned in
		
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			tabari, which I have read Okay, when which
		
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			mentions that sahaba was put under a trial
		
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			a fitna because of this But I haven't
		
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			read this particular reference But the point is
		
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			we we have we are having a stream
		
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			on 16th and we're going to they're going
		
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			to answer Please and we would want You
		
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			can speak one second give me one minute
		
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			Could you please come on to that stream
		
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			and order the other man as well?
		
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			So so we can discuss that further.
		
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			No, you can you can you can come
		
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			here.
		
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			We don't have to go to your stream
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			One second.
		
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			I just make one observation very quickly.
		
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			You you can once you buy it What
		
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			i'm saying is because ahmed is unable to
		
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			provide anything So, why don't we let ahmed
		
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			go because there are other qadian is waiting
		
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			So ahmed can go and search for that
		
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			reference and come back because that's how we're
		
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			not letting him off the hook He has
		
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			to come back and only deal with the
		
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			subject That's something different because he doesn't know
		
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			so let us give him the chance to
		
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			go and search I want to just make
		
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			a final observation on this one.
		
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			Yes, please do please do very quickly.
		
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			Go ahead, please Okay, i've found a reference
		
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			one second.
		
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			Okay, you found the reference brilliant.
		
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			Go ahead read We will happy we'll happily
		
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			stand give me a second i'm opening it
		
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			one second.
		
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			Yeah one second Bring it on You're going
		
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			to show us how many companions of course
		
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			twice Right.
		
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			I'm just going to take a break.
		
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			Uh, mansoor, you want to take over please?
		
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			Yeah, that's fine Hashim Yeah, i'll be back.
		
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			Yeah, you know if they misbehave I will
		
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			keep them out We'll we'll see you soon.
		
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			Come back.
		
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			Don't disappear, please.
		
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			I'll be back Okay, one second.
		
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			Okay ahmed One second i'm reading i'm reading
		
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			one second.
		
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			Yeah I'm, i'm looking at right now and
		
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			i'm seeing whether that is that exact reference
		
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			or not I'm, let me i'm i'm i'm
		
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			let me help you on one thing.
		
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			I'm a let me have one thing yesterday
		
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			yesterday Alhamdulillah, we went through the entire tafsir
		
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			ibn kaseer on this surah.
		
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			Okay, it is not there.
		
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			It is not there So For
		
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			this for this particular reference for this particular
		
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			reference what you are asking for we will
		
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			answer this But can we can we continue
		
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			the discussion for which you have started?
		
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			I want to see I want to speak.
		
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			I want to speak You're not very capable.
		
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			So you should stay silent.
		
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			You think you're very capable you're here to
		
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			manage so just relax.
		
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			No, please Please ahmed.
		
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			Don't be Second one second.
		
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			I don't want people to Give me mannerisms
		
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			on my stream If you want to have
		
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			a discussion Discuss properly you asked you were
		
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			you were asked for a reference If you
		
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			don't know it, that's it.
		
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			We will give you the time Go ask
		
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			your murabbi's your elders your your your learned
		
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			people and come back rather than insulting us
		
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			in how we perform our streams If you
		
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			know better, you know, you do that in
		
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			your stream, but here we don't want i'll
		
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			give you both the chance to speak And
		
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			see whether you want him back or not
		
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			If you want to continue discussing look at
		
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			the comments and look at the people who
		
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			are watching They are fed up with your
		
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			waffling With your metaphorical interpretation with your digression
		
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			and so on I may not be as
		
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			Very humble and very passionate in terms of
		
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			you know, you know in terms of how
		
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			people deal with the people I will kick
		
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			people out from this stream if they misbehave
		
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			I told you very beginning like when hashim
		
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			said Okay, he wants to break and he's
		
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			handing over to me for moderation I will
		
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			show no mercy if you misbehave It's not
		
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			like oh, it's your right Yeah, you come
		
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			here you behave if you don't behave then
		
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			you don't have the opportunity to speak here
		
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			You can go on your stream and you
		
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			can waffle all you want you can waffle
		
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			24 7 But the truth becomes clear because
		
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			we are trying to establish truth here.
		
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			We want to let people know whether Mirza
		
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			sahib is a liar or not because if
		
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			he is a prophet his prophecies must come
		
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			true must be fulfilled and our Panelists, you
		
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			know, our esteemed panelists are demonstrating for the
		
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			last few sessions in the streams, but it's
		
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			not the case He is indeed a liar.
		
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			You are unable to defend your false prophet
		
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			so Before I want to ask brother adnan
		
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			and brother muhammad.
		
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			He asked do you want him back?
		
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			Because only on this condition he doesn't talk
		
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			about how we conduct our stream He doesn't
		
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			talk about how he conducted in his stream.
		
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			He answers directly if he doesn't answer directly
		
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			I'm afraid he cannot have any opportunities here
		
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			Here's my suggestion It is fair to give
		
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			him one last chance Give him one minute
		
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			if he has an answer he can answer
		
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			But if he does not answer in his
		
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			one minute, that will be only fair ahmed
		
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			by you can go back And when you
		
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			come next week, we'll begin from where we
		
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			left off this particular reference That's my suggestion.
		
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			Yeah, and there always will be direct answers
		
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			Without any waffling.
		
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			I don't tolerate any waffles here If people
		
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			don't know what waffling is they can go
		
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			to a dictionary and find out what waffling
		
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			and blathering is about blather What is blathering?
		
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			What does it mean droning blathering waffling?
		
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			You know, this stream is to benefit people
		
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			in terms of how Yeah Before you let
		
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			him in I want I want the people
		
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			to know Why we're doing this this is
		
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			not just out of the blue brother imtiaz
		
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			pulled out this reference And we are holding
		
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			on to it.
		
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			This is not being petty.
		
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			This is very important This shows how much
		
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			of a liar this man was he was
		
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			making up information on the spot and throwing
		
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			it at people for example He claimed that
		
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			there is a hadith from the prophet where
		
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			he said that there is a black skinned
		
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			prophet from india Whose name was kahin also
		
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			known as kishan and kanaiya krishan and kanaiya.
		
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			Okay, there is no such hadith We we
		
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			we asked them this question.
		
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			They cannot find it and they're making it
		
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			up One of them actually razi razi in
		
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			one of the streams.
		
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			He added the words kala nabiyun Kala nabiyun
		
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			and when we grabbed him on that He
		
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			admitted that these words are not there in
		
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			the text and then he said it is
		
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			in tariq hamdan It is not there.
		
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			There is no such thing, right?
		
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			So mirza made this up then mirza claimed
		
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			then mirza claimed that uh a prophet The
		
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			masih the the mahdi will come in the
		
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			14th century Hijri, okay, and he attributed this
		
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			information to the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam.
		
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			There is no such hadith There's no mention
		
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			of the 14th century in any of the
		
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			hadiths of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam
		
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			Then he claimed mirza that there's a hadith
		
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			in sahih al-bukhari having explained the virtues
		
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			of sahih al-bukhari The ahmadi play these
		
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			games.
		
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			They say oh he forgot mirza forgot mirza
		
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			made an error Okay, this cannot be an
		
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			istihadi error or this cannot be an error
		
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			of forgetfulness because two things Mirza is explaining
		
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			what bukhari is He explains what bukhari is
		
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			and then he attributes the hadith to bukhari
		
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			That these words are there in sahih al
		
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			-bukhari and they're not in sahih al-bukhari.
		
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			Okay, those words are not there He attributed
		
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			this information to the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa
		
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			sallam through bukhari it's not there So it's
		
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			not just one example.
		
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			We're not being petty.
		
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			There are multiple examples of mirza lying through
		
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			his teeth Making information up on the spot
		
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			and his gullible crowd They they followed him
		
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			and now when we question question all these
		
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			things these guys they play games Bring him
		
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			back on and let him answer the question
		
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			directly.
		
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			How many of them apostatized?
		
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			At hudaibiya, what are their names?
		
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			And where did mirza get this from?
		
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			And does ibn kathir even mention it?
		
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			Okay, thank you for uh taking me back
		
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			so the point uh that I want to
		
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			ask you is you read the reference Does
		
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			it mention the word sahaba there?
		
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			Imtiaz bhai read it again, please Okay, I
		
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			read the You want me to read the
		
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			text ahmed bhai?
		
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			Yes Do you want me to read the
		
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			text and then you can respond okay, can
		
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			I read okay Before you read one second
		
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			imtiaz bhai before you read This is how
		
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			absurd These some of these people are i'm
		
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			sorry It says they apostatized From what islam,
		
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			right?
		
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			And they were with the prophet So if
		
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			they were muslims and from islam they apostatized
		
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			to kufr What were the sahaba or something
		
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			else?
		
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			ahmed No, no.
		
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			No, I know what you're saying what i'm
		
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			saying when you called something What kind of
		
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			question is this ahmed what kind of question
		
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			is this no because If they were If
		
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			they were muslims and they were at hudaibiya
		
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			with the prophet What do you think they
		
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			were whenever is there a third status Whenever
		
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			we present a reference to you, you always
		
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			want us to pull it up You want
		
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			you wanted razi to explain it all of
		
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			it, right?
		
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			Okay You don't tell me please read the
		
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			reference.
		
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			That's the only reason why I asked you
		
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			imtiaz bhai.
		
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			Please read the reference again please Okay, ahmed,
		
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			uh, brother ahmed Is your defenses that people
		
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			became murtad but they were not sahaba, please
		
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			answer the question Sorry, sorry say say say
		
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			say that again brother ahmed is your defense
		
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			is that those people It's not my defense.
		
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			I'm asking the question.
		
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			No, no, please.
		
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			Let me let me speak brother.
		
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			Let me speak brother Okay, if you're gonna
		
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			go to this nitty-gritty we can go
		
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			as well.
		
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			Okay, brother, please allow me to speak Answer
		
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			my direct question those people Who are mentioned
		
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			in this quotation?
		
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			Are you trying to say?
		
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			They were not sahaba yes or no Of
		
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			course the sahaba they're finished.
		
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			Okay, we don't need that.
		
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			Let's move on give the answer now Okay
		
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			Now what what i'm saying is the the
		
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			thing that i've been looking and the thing
		
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			that is in front of me it says
		
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			This is the arabic mentioned in ibn kathir
		
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			But there is a difference of opinion because
		
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			some say it's with regards to isra and
		
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			the other others commentators or other mufasireen have
		
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			said it's with regards to um You know
		
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			about about sulah ud-dabiya But but sahaba
		
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			of course died on islam.
		
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			That's the point.
		
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			So that's what i'm saying.
		
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			This this requires further reading You can't accuse
		
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			someone of of of lying because that wasn't
		
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			the topic of discussion that when I came
		
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			on that wasn't the top topic of discussion
		
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			we were having therefore Therefore, I know brother,
		
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			uh muhammad in in tiaz You were given
		
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			the respect and you're saying go back and
		
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			whenever we can have a discussion That's why
		
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			we're calling you for the for the stream
		
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			on the 16th and we can discuss this
		
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			Discuss particularly this this topic in detail if
		
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			you want Please.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay brother ahmad.
		
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			Okay brother ahmad because people have already uh,
		
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			listen What you have to say what I
		
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			have to say now matter has ended on
		
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			this point that you need to do more
		
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			Research on this particular reference when you come
		
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			brother ahmad next time we'll begin from here
		
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			No, but why can't we discuss some some?
		
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			You know the points that you were making
		
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			with regards to you know The truthfulness of
		
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			of a prophet and the signs of being
		
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			a truthfulness prophet.
		
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			No, no We'll go find direction is that
		
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			nothing else we discuss with you ahmad only
		
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			this point Sorry, yeah Nothing else will be
		
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			discussed with you only this point and this
		
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			is your homework when you come back again
		
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			with a good answer Then you'll be in
		
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			we'll let you in and you can express
		
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			yourself Yeah, and before you go ahmad I
		
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			have some uh homework for you a tip
		
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			okay Uh allah subhanahu wa ta'ala said
		
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			about these sahaba who were with the prophet
		
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			sallallahu sallam who gave it Their pledge of
		
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			allegiance Uh to him under the tree allah
		
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			said about them Allah is
		
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			pleased with the believers Okay, when they gave
		
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			their pledge of allegiance under the tree Okay,
		
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			this was one thousand four hundred Companions of
		
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			rasool allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam according to
		
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			most reports.
		
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			Okay If there were apostasies, we would have
		
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			known them.
		
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			They would have been reported There was no
		
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			such thing mirza made it up on the
		
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			spot Uh, because he was baffled or he
		
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			was rattled by the fact that many of
		
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			his uh followers are leaving him So he
		
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			just came up with this quick.
		
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			Uh Quick fix and now this quick fix
		
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			is going to be a lock in your
		
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			neck We'll let him go He himself has
		
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			commented on this verse.
		
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			So for you to say that he that
		
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			this is your source of How does that
		
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			help you his commentary, how does it help
		
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			We have to let you go ahmad, um
		
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			Next time, please.
		
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			Um, the first thing that you'll be discussing
		
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			is this particular question that brother mt asked
		
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			you and nothing else so we expect from
		
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			you a well Researched reading and study from
		
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			you with your murabbis with your own own
		
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			self introspecting and so on on this very
		
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			question Okay.
		
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			Thanks for coming to our eyes.
		
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			Thank you