Adnan Rashid – Qadiani Runs From Defending His Prophet
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The speakers discuss the importance of verifying the truthfulness of prophecies and the use of examples to show the truthfulness of the prophecies. They also mention the return of multiple people to the Bible and the importance of reading books in context. The conversation shifts to false and inaccurate prophecies and the need for people to remember the police team's actions. The speakers encourage the audience to keep the discussion going and make suggestions for improvements.
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They cannot escape it.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani himself gave the criteria
that if this does not happen then I
am not from God.
There will be an earthquake of an unprecedented
scale in India within my lifetime.
He said this on the 18th of April
1905.
He died on the 22nd of May 1908.
No such earthquake took place in India.
No unprecedented.
So why was Razi not addressing that point?
Our challenge is we don't believe that Hazrat
Ahmed Al-Islam is truthful according to the
criteria of Adnan Rashid.
We've never claimed that.
Our belief is that Hazrat Ahmed Al-Islam
is truthful according to the criteria of the
Quran and Hadith and for supporting evidence we
have your own ulama as well who are
all with us on these usool.
So before we discuss these prophecies and alhamdulillah
all of the prophecies of Hazrat Ahmed Al
-Islam were fulfilled we have to discuss usool.
Many ask why do we quote your scholars?
The Quran mentions you can take testimony of
non-prophets and you brothers also throw away
these scholars when you see anything supporting us.
Thirdly we use testimony of kuffar to show
the truthfulness of Adnan Rashid Razi always in
his debates as well.
And we want to show the viewers as
well that majority are against you brothers when
you present these usool because according to your
usool all of the prophets are lies.
God forbid.
We believe Hazrat Ahmed Al-Islam is truthful
on mayyarin nabuwat, minhaajin nabuwat and this is
what he has mentioned.
Nawab Siddiq, Hassan Khan, other ulama have mentioned
when the Imam Mahdi and Messiah comes he
will be rejected and the ulama will say
based on Quran, Hadith, Imam Sayyid Hindi said
this as well.
Many other scholars said it.
So Imtiaz challenged me on something and now
that I'm here he changed the entire topic.
Hazrat Ahmed Al-Islam said that every prophecy
of mine has been fulfilled and if a
person tries to spend his whole life trying
to prove one prophecy false he won't be
able to unless he is you know ignorant
of the facts behind the prophecies and tries
to twist things.
We're here today because your ulama weren't able
to sit in front of him and point
out any prophecy that so then this was
his challenge.
So I request brother Imtiaz you challenged me
on something and now that I'm here Mansoor
at the end said that don't bring other
examples.
So let's start with usool of prophecies from
Quran, ahadith and your ulama because first I
want to defend other prophets as well who
you brothers have sadly rejected.
Jazakumullah.
And Hashim bhai there are two minutes as
well right?
Yeah.
So you said somebody challenged you so Imtiaz
bhai I think he's addressing yourself so maybe
it's good if you come come back.
I also noticed there was no mention of
the earthquake which is actually the question right
now and the prophecy which we are claiming
is failed and they gave you the details
about that.
I had everything on that ready don't worry.
Good so I'm just I'm just telling you
to use your time wisely once again because
you'll be given one more chance and then
Imtiaz bhai now is going to address your
previous um points and inshallah you'll be given
a chance.
Jazakumullah.
Okay Imtiaz bhai go ahead.
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim so alhamdulillah I stand by my challenge
right now the second part of the stream
after this first part the second part of
the stream is we are going to discuss
this usuli this principle answer of the Ahmadis
that if the prophecies interpretation of the prophecies
done by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and he made
mistakes so is the case with all the
prophets.
I have my case ready and the second
part of the stream will be just on
the usuli just the principle answer and inshallah
in that part Raziullah or any Ahmadi is
welcome to come and let's discuss this usuli
answer so that will be the second part
of the stream.
I'm done.
Okay so now my two minutes.
Yeah sorry just want to clarify something when
you say second part of the stream what
do you mean Imtiaz bhai?
It means that inshallah after we finish these
uh this this criterion these three prophecies immediately
so at the end you mean that's it
that's it not so once we have covered
the three prophecies exactly exactly yeah the back
and forth inshallah we will deal with that
exactly is that clear Raziullah?
Yes so now my two minutes right yes
go ahead yeah okay so the thing is
right this is why we follow the usul
which are mentioned in the Quran and ahadith
because these prophecies will only be understood once
the viewers know what does the Quran and
ahadith say regarding prophecies the issue is if
we don't look at the usul first then
nothing will make sense about any prophet of
Allah and this is that these are the
types of allegations Christians raise if you look
at the prophecies of hazrat ahmad alaihissalam and
hazrat muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam the greatest prophet
khatam al anbiya for example nabi says and
prophesied islam was spread to every place Allah
told hazrat ahmad alaihissalam islam ahmadiyya was spread
to the corners of the earth there's the
quranic challenge in the quran that you cannot
produce something like this hazrat ahmad alaihissalam challenged
all of the ulama that produce arabic commentary
of surah fatiha like me none of you
will be able to do so he said
Allah has forbidden that someone write such a
commentary if you brothers can produce such a
commentary that was written in response please do
so none of your scholars stood up number
one number two then someone tried writing and
Allah revealed that the person who's trying to
respond he will die he died in the
plague night of badr nabi says before but
he showed hazrat umar other sahaba that these
people will die here here and here hazrat
ahmad alaihissalam said the same about sadullah ludhianvi
dawi lakram many other mullahs ghulam this the
year qasuri Allah says in the quran but
the manna will mow that in kuntum challenged
the jews hazrat ahmad alaihissalam did the same
with ghulam this year qasuri he prayed against
against hazrat ahmad alaihissalam died in the plague
big scholar Allah says about same words are
revealed to hazrat ahmad alaihissalam and he was
protected so my point is when we have
the usul in front of us then we
can understand this is the common this is
what makes sense you know if we don't
put the usul in front of us we
will keep attacking prophecies and then you'll be
marking other prophets and nothing will make sense
okay so your time's up adnan bhai go
ahead thank you very very much okay look
um the usul is from the quran and
the sunnah the quran and sunnah make it
very clear a prophet speaks speaks from revelation
a prophet speaks on the authority of god
mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani claimed to have spoken
on the authority of god he himself said
he has ilham and wahi he claimed to
be a prophet of god and these challenges
he made mathematically precise challenges he made he
claimed they were from god and if they
remain unfulfilled then he is not from god
so we are following the quran and the
sunnah on this we are showing you from
the quran and the sunnah that if a
prophet who claims to have spoken in the
name of god his prophecies cannot be false
because those prophecies are coming from god god
cannot be lying god cannot be sending challenges
that are unfulfilled in this case mirza on
the 18th of april 1905 made this prophecy
that there will be an unprecedented earthquake within
his lifetime in india and he died on
the 22nd of may 1908 there was no
such earthquake over to you by within whatever
seconds left so inshallah very quickly uh raziullah
please my request is there's no point to
mention that this alim said this is alim
this is not the discussion it's all dead
hearing second point is mirza gave us a
usul he said that if you want to
verify the truthfulness of my uh claim check
my prophecies we are following the usul of
mirza sahib which is your prophet and number
three you are saying that these three prophecies
are fulfilled if your answer is yes please
prove to us the first one of earthquake
and last point is not a problem at
all alhamdulillah i'm saying with allah's taufiq today
inshallah everybody is going to say we are
going to bury the usuli answer of ahmadiyya
in a very deep grave inshallah okay guys
uh your two minutes is up so raziullah
uh your your last chance so why last
chance what do you mean by that well
for this we're just getting started no what
i meant is like if you're not dealing
with the prophecy then we can't keep this
indefinite so that's why okay okay three to
four rebuttals are acceptable but if you just
this you can't have it indefinitely okay so
adnan rashid mentioned prophets speak on the authority
of god just before my two minutes that
adnan rashid does that mean they cannot make
it the heart the ears because everything they
say is from god i misunderstood you so
i just want clarification before i attribute something
to you imtiaz i'm asking adnan rashid you
won't save him on qiyamah okay i will
i will clarify don't worry about that i
will clarify mirza gulam ahmad qadiani claimed that
he's speaking on the authority of god when
he made these mathematically precise prophecies they were
they were unfulfilled he himself said that if
these prophecies are unfulfilled because they are from
god then i am not from god he
himself said i am not from god so
he spoke as a prophet from ilham from
wahi that these things will happen these things
didn't happen therefore he's not from god this
is our case over to you two minutes
start now wait you didn't answer my question
unless it's in the quran nabi sasim has
this claim as well but does this mean
a prophet cannot make it's the heart the
era because what ahmad the lesson said that
everything my revelation is from god we believe
that with all the prophets so do you
for example all of you explain that the
prophets are so i want to clarify before
i rebut you because you're unclear you said
everything he says is from god does this
mean there is no possibility of each the
heart according to you then i will start
my two minutes because if you're unclear then
i might say something that you don't believe
i have a feeling imtiaz bhai has a
much clearer response to that we will have
to keep it to two minutes each otherwise
this is gonna keep going on so so
razi has two minutes to respond to my
points i've raised my points are very clear
mirza gulam ahmad qadiani was a prophet to
the ahmadis he spoke on the authority of
god and he said if these prophecies remain
unfulfilled then i am not from god what
more do you need what games do we
need to play to even even to to
spin his statements his statements are categorical he
said categorically if this does not happen then
i am not from god so this was
a challenge from mirza gulam ahmad qadiani clearly
that was that was a falsification test that
he provided exactly so let's stick to that
two minutes two minutes yeah i want to
quickly hear from brother and he can say
what he wants make a point quickly he
can he can sing opera he can do
bangla if he wants to do arabic tunes
it's up to him but please go ahead
two minutes i will pass all of that
so imtiaz bhai go ahead here quickly okay
uh raziullah very quickly i can understand what
you are trying to say you are trying
to say that a prophet can make a
mistake in his when he interpret the prophecies
and this was the case with all the
prophets and so is the case with mirza
sahib i have all the references ready when
hashim bhai said that you will be gone
it does not mean once we start the
discussion on the principle answer i will invite
you please come inshallah whatever we have said
so far i want all the listeners to
take note what he's saying i'm going to
address every single point inshallah in absolutely clear
terms number one number two is your time
is up i believe no no it wasn't
the time it is your time by the
way raziullah which i haven't started yet and
and if raziullah if you want to answer
the question regarding the prophecy of earthquake in
a usuli way in a principled way please
go ahead okay so jazakallah that adnan rashid
is unable to answer this question maybe he
doesn't have knowledge of quran and hadith which
is why he's so afraid to speak on
this subject we never said that ahmad al
-assam's prophecies failed he writes in gishti even
if a person were to strive all his
life in the hope of finding a proxy
that was uttered from my mouth about which
one could assert that it has remained unfulfilled
he will not be able to find a
single one however out of shamelessness or ignorance
one is free to say whatever he likes
when he challenged your ulama that come sit
with me prove a single policy to be
false they were scared no one came forward
because he said the truthful ones you have
to accept they were fulfilled number one adnan
rashid again said i don't know why you're
putting your finger up imtiaz but it just
started but anyhow adnan rashid said that hazzat
ahmad al-assam said he speaks on authority
of god my response is we agree all
his prophecies are fulfilled so are the prophecies
of other prophets however you have to look
at them as a whole some prophecies are
weighed as well which adnan rashid should study
into because his ulama went in depth explaining
this the point is once we have the
usul laid out then we should look at
the prophecies regarding the earthquake prophecy we can
discuss that but brother before discussing a topic
let us see what quran and ahadith say
regarding that topic because according to your usul
you have many prophets as false prophets right
now so i have to bring you back
to quran and ahadith first adnan rashid according
to him his scholars are already in the
* for as proven but now he's also
throwing the prophets away we can't let him
do this because he last point hashim he
said that hazzat ahmad al-assam's usul is
that judge me by my prophecies this is
wrong as well you have to read his
books in context he said judge me on
my prophecies but on minhaj-e-nabuwat not
adnan rashid's usul nor muhammad imtiaz's usul mansur's
usul okay so yes we accept that's the
usul on minhaj-e-nabuwat so when we
put the usul every prophecy is fulfilled alhamdulillah
all right okay so before imtiaz bhai i
just want to make an observation so so
far you had two segments of two minutes
in which you failed to discuss or defend
the prophecy of the earthquake you're interrupting me
razi very rudely i'm speaking please don't speak
over each other you'll be given your time
yeah so that was very rude you should
apologize to the audience not to me to
the audience i just asked if you're also
in the panel you should apologize to the
audience i won't apologize i am not i
am not a panelist you are going to
discuss not you personally we will invite other
you can finish all able other able other
able ahmadis other than yourself because you're clearly
not able so far two segments have gone
and they will can discuss with three seconds
yeah yeah uh we'll start here you know
adnan rashid and ustad muhammad imtiaz so what
i'm just saying is i'm just making everyone
understand and clear i'm not putting anything in
here new in here new arguments that so
far two minute segments you had twice two
of those and you have failed to address
the prophecy and and fail to defend it
so this is for everyone to understand and
appreciate okay okay so i think we'll invite
somebody else in or you guys want to
carry on with razi hashim bhai can i
just uh say something yeah go ahead yeah
okay so inshallah very quickly first of all
uh because last time this point was raised
by uh raziullah last time as well about
the wad and the wahi about the promise
and the warning the glad tiding and the
warning alhamdulillah this case is ready as well
it's so we'll discuss this after you have
done it will come when when the usuli
discussion will start right after this first segment
inshallah raziullah please come and let's discuss this
wad and wait in the light of writing
of number one number two you said that
we need to read the prophecies in the
light of minhaju nabuwa this is exactly what
the next segment is we are going to
expose today inshallah once and forever that this
was a cover up and i'm going to
quote today with a very with a lot
of pain in my heart that how mirza
sahib and his jamaat how they blasphemed all
the prophets to save one person ulam ahmad
you are you the mirza he wanted to
prove his prophethood but unfortunately he made attacks
against the prophet inshallah they are coming in
the usuli answer very soon at last and
final point my request to i'm reminding myself
first of all and then to all of
us inshallah we are going to be very
civilized very gentleman because people are waiting for
the stream and based in light ala on
the topic of prophecies this team is going
to be inshallah an historic one inshallah and
can i do my last turn then before
the other brother comes then i'll come back
or can i stay go ahead do your
last turn and then we are going to
invite someone else because we haven't still got
the answer for the yeah so i have
all the answers there but my personal you
know everyone has their own way of that
i have all the answers in front of
me my way of that first i bring
the person to quran and ahadith and their
own ulama to see that where do we
agree on like quran even says tell the
christians come on what we agree upon right
so i'm okay your career starts now go
ahead yeah so uh one thing i want
to mention first is we all heard muhammad
imtiaz that what has it the lesson i
said about the other prophets regarding him using
their to defend some of his prophecies one
two three you know he has hundreds of
prophecies they're all fulfilled even the other prophets
all their prophecies are fulfilled even these three
you raise allegations a little bit 18 and
nine we should mention we believe they're all
fulfilled however we explain that some prophets have
made it's the heart the era so it
muhammad imtiaz openly claimed and anyone can feel
free to go back there that this is
blasphemy what has it has written regarding prophets
making mistakes so according to his usul now
all of the ulama i have who have
said the same thing as him they are
also blasphemers and in the helper adnan rashid
doesn't have a problem with that of course
because he's already rejected them all i quote
a passage of haqiqatul wahi and end on
this and then i will come back and
you brothers can add tahir by he can
join he's my friend i know him so
hazzat mirza ghulam ahmad al-assam writes in
haqiqatul wahi i'll quickly finish off god almighty
has allowed prophets to be subject to errors
of judgment lest they come to be regarded
as deities but it does not at all
detract from their perfect authenticity because their truth
is established through means of abundance of miracles
the true prophets of god can never resemble
muselma the liar or other imposters due to
the mere error of judgment on their part
of a prophecy because within them lies such
profusion and light of truth blessings miracles and
the secure of god that the sharp edge
of their truth smashes the opponent into pieces
and the thousands of signs shown by them
are like the rushing waters of a mighty
river so i will end on then hashim
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oh he's in the chat okay perfect so
uh with that i'll be watching the stream
and and the back end and i'll be
if you want to keep me here i
don't mind i can go to youtube but
if you can invite tahir by next and
i have the usul ready alhamdulillah quran hadith
and all of your ulama okay i'll keep
in the back chat i'm going today inshallah
okay so so jazakumullah oh she's chased in
bachelor youtube yeah by the way to all
our asian friends out there when you say
jazakallah say jazakallah khairan that is the right
way to do it it's meaningless otherwise so
i think that's a weak point you should
ask ulama there's a reason why they say
that you know jazakallah may allah may allah
reward you the what good or bad so
they don't intend good for us i know
but there's a difference of opinion on ulama
on this i've read about this quite no
problem ago they said that if you because
everyone knows that can we move on guys
please exactly just correcting that so jazakallahu khairan
okay let's just take care okay perfect he
can hear you don't worry he can hear
you inshallah one quick point because inshallah i
don't want to leave any point unaddressed inshallah
he said that when i used the word
blasphemy there was regarding the ijtihad no inshallah
once the asuli discussion will start i will
quote that what he said about the prophets
and then i will let the audience to
decide is it blasphemy or not so my
point of blasphemy was not about ijtihad there
was clear blasphemy when he was talking about
the prophets okay uh very quickly i want
to warn everyone from the very start that
please do not fall for the trap you
have made it very clear that we will
have an asuli discussion after the first three
points are addressed conclusively by the ahmadi missionaries
who will come in they will continue to
throw spanners in the works they will continue
to distract they will continue to digress this
is necessary for them and it is very
clear for the audience he had he had
more than 10 minutes right he had nothing
on the earthquake the point of discussions of
two minutes exactly eight minutes let's say let's
say to be precise eight minutes at least
eight minutes if not more he had eight
minutes he didn't say anything on the earthquake
he he was digressing he was throwing diversions
in there he was not addressing the because
the point is so mathematical in its application
they cannot escape it mirza gulam ahmad qadiani
himself gave the criteria that if this does
not happen then i am not from god
there will be an earthquake of an unprecedented
scale in india within my lifetime he said
this on the 18th of april 1905 he
died on the 22nd of may 1908 no
such no such earthquake took place in india
no unprecedented so why was razi not addressing
that point