Adnan Rashid – Her Shocking Confession – She Wont Stop
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The speaker discusses the ongoing criminalization of the British slave trade and the importance of protecting against brutalization and bribery. They emphasize the need for a state solution and urge caution in the use of words. They also express frustration with the establishment of the Israeli Israeli government and the potential risks of a 2 state solution. The speaker emphasizes the importance of avoiding false statements and finding a solution to the conflict between the majority and minority. They also discuss the potential limitations of their logic for international law and the need for consistency in laws and statutes to protect against conflict.
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Are you Israeli? Yeah. You're an Israeli? Yes.
And, have you been not October, you got
sacked people. Have you been in IDF? What?
Have you been in IDF? I'll be there
in 1 week.
This this this sister just jumps into speaker's
corner
and
tells everyone she's going to the IDF next
week.
Yeah. You're you're getting some your case ready?
Are you, like,
are you going to the I 7 October?
Sorry? Do you know what happened, sir? What
happened in Israel? Because
the sorry accident Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I
I know I know what happened on the
7th October.
I know what happened on the 7th October.
Coming. Fine. Fine. Before we get to the
7th October was a smaller catastrophe
was a smaller catastrophe than what has to
wait. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you
why. I'll tell you why. You can you
can say that 7th October triggered
what happens later.
Okay. I agree. I agree. What happened? I
okay. What happened? Many people many innocent people
died on 7th of October. I agree with
you. Okay. That doesn't give the license to
Israel
to go and wipe out an entire population.
Let me. No. I I've agreed with you.
7th October, a catastrophe, an atrocity took place
where innocent people died. 100%.
No doubt. Okay. Now
moving on from that,
does that give a license to Israeli generals,
IDF soldiers,
and Zionist
Zionist propagandists. I'm sorry. Other people speak. Okay?
Yeah. You okay. People What's my question? What
what are you answering? Ask no. Yeah. Tell
them you answer. Okay? Are you Israeli? Yeah.
You're an Israeli? Yes. And, have you been
October, you got sacked people. Have you been
in IDF? Have you been in IDF? You'll
be there in 1 week. You will be
and you will go and join the IDF
Yeah. A genocidal
a genocidal entity. My country. In several So
even if your country is committing a genocide,
you will support it? Let me Yeah. Okay?
Okay. We have an eye potential
prospective
prospective Let us speak. Let us speak. Let
us speak. Speak to you.
Okay? So so that is clear.
Okay. I'm talking everyone, I'm talking to an
Israeli lady.
I'm talking to an Israeli lady. She is
going to join the IDF in one week,
and we're gonna try to convince her not
to do that. Let's see if we are
successful. At all. Do you want to convince?
We will. We will. We will. Okay. You
2 things. Okay.
2 things will happen today. 2 things will
happen before you leave. In a 7 Before
before you can't bully me. It's not Israel.
Okay. It's not Israel. Yeah. Yeah. She's not
Yeah. So can you give her the mic?
Can you give her the mic? So put
the mic on her. Would you like to
listen? I'm handing you the mic.
Yeah. So to I before we begin before
we continue, 2 things will happen today. Either
you will lose your humanity completely and you
will reject all human values. Stubborn.
Many people were murdered, my friends, and they
get kidnapped.
Many kids. Or you will do the decent
thing.
Or * many,
women.
There's no evidence for that. No. No evidence
for that. We're not These are all lies.
These are all lies. So We do not
believe the Israeli government.
We don't believe you have a friend that
was raped? Do you have a friend that
was raped? Yeah? A friend that
was kidnapped
please don't intervene. Don't intervene. Just Okay. Let
her talk. Let her talk. Thank you. Yes.
Let her talk. So in 7 October, there
was,
like, many people go inside Israel,
kidnap kids, kidnap women, kidnap,
women that in You're at 40, babies. So
if you
I'm very Wait. Wait.
Wait. Wait. A lot a lot of these
things you said are true. Yeah. A lot
of these things. Yeah. But at the same
time,
Israeli propaganda has been they have been raped.
Wait. Wait. They have been raped.
And 40 babies 40 babies were beheaded.
Even Biden. Okay. Joe Biden. Okay. He came
and made his us? Do you accept do
you accept that? I'm country accept that. Right,
and we were Wait. Return you a fire?
What's your name?
People are accepting. What's your name? Our
No. Our man My name is Artina. What's
your name? What's your name? Yeah. That's not
my there. Me? Is what we had there.
That's why Okay. But the party of our
baby is always kidnapped in there. Guys, one
second. Can I can I can I can
I can I can I our women will
be kidnapped and raped? Can I talk to
her? Can I talk to her?
Let That's okay. Yeah. No. No. Relax. Relax.
I just want to explain that there is
another side. Relax. And you need to look
on the other side. There's also a me
that does show you the other side of
the video. Okay? I request from everyone to
remain silent. Let her talk. See, you don't
have to shout. You don't have to shout.
You don't have to shout. Hey, Tate. You're
doing good. Listen. What did you do? This
was
this this was a lady
this was a lady. That wasn't a debate.
This was a lady. It was she didn't
wanna talk. Clearly, you know why the Israelis
Israelis brainwash their children,
and they become like this. What she was
saying there, I told her that your country,
your people are committing a genocide. They are
burying thousands of children alive. Right?
And she heard that, and she said, I
will defend my country. I will defend my
country. So your nationalism
your nationalism Take a shower. Your nationalism, your
love for your people, your love for your
kind, your love for your race is going
to make you commit a genocide of children
and innocent people.
Fine. What happened on the 7th October was
a was an atrocity. No one's denying that.
The question is, does that give you a
license to go and join the same entity
now that is committing a genocide against innocent
children?
Why do I keep saying children? Because they
are the largest
victims.
They are the biggest victims of this unfair,
unjust war.
This is an unjust war. Affair. Why?
Because Israel is an occupational
power.
Israel is occupying territory.
Okay?
So we had this lady. She said she's
gonna go next week and join the IDF.
And we tried to convince her we tried
to convince her to do the right thing,
to do the decent thing. Don't do that.
Okay. We care about you. You're a human
being.
Okay. You are an Israeli.
You have humanity. You have the same blood,
same heart pumping in your chest. Right? Have
some humanity. Have some moral values.
Don't just go and die
for a genocidal
oppressive power. This is how the Atlantic slave
trade continued. This is how Western colonialism continued
for 100 of years. You know why? Because
people like this young lady were supporting the
country.
They were supporting an unjust occupation,
an unjust brutalization
of the natives in Australia,
in Canada, in the American West where 100
of 1000, millions of Native Americans were wiped
out
by Western colonialism.
Okay. When will this stop is the question.
Our battle,
our struggle is against
this kind of brutalization
and this kind of brutality
committed by anyone. We don't care who it
is. Anyone who commits such atrocious
acts against innocent people
must be challenged
and confronted. You cannot allow young people like
this to join a genocidal power. So we
tried to reason with her. That's all we
can do. There's nothing else we can do.
We cannot force her, but we can reason
with her. And she didn't wanna talk to
us. Clearly, the reason she didn't wanna talk
to us because she knew she cannot defend
the genocide.
She has no way that she can stand
there with a straight face and tell me
that what's happening to the children Gaza and
her mother. I don't know. It was her
mother or her aunt. She pulled her away.
I'll talk to you. You pulled her away.
I'll talk to you.
Are you going to defend
Israel? Are you going to defend Israel? Try
and be as honest about the problem as
possible. Okay. Okay? Are you going to defend
Israel? In hang on. I'm talking about the
genocide right now. If you're going to defend
Israel, then we can talk. If you're not
if you're not defending Israel, then there's no
conversation. Can I can I start? Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Well, if we're both disagreeing, there's not
much for an audience to feed on anyway.
So a bit of healthy dialect is probably
a good thing. Yeah. So Look. Look. If
if you if you want,
what is the conversation about? This conversation started
with me walking up to Adnan and saying,
I think what And then you give the
mic to the lady. An Israeli
an
Israeli IDF soldier
to to be.
An IDF soldier to be. You asked me
to give it to her. Yes?
The bike. He asked me, and it's his
mic, so I did it. So are you
going to defend Israel? I'm gonna can I
talk for a minute? Okay. Okay. If the
only question is, are you in any way
gonna defend Israel, and I'm not allowed to
say anything which doesn't totally agree with you,
we're not gonna have a discussion. Yes. We
try and have a discussion. Okay. Go ahead.
This started with me walking up to you
and saying, I think what the idea for
doing in Gaza is appalling.
Okay? I said that. Is that pretty clear?
Yeah. Is that a fairly clear in no.
It doesn't
mean we agree on every aspect of every
diagnostic,
but we can agree thus far. I think
That's all I need to hear. Okay. Fine.
Well, I don't think it's all we need
to discuss. Okay. So we can put we
can put The details. Let's let's let's start
with the, the beginning.
Palestine is occupied territory. Do you agree?
Wait for the Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. In
principle. Look. Hang on. What do you mean
in principle? Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Listen. Your power. Listen. Wait. Okay. Wait. Can
I caveat Palestine is occupied territory? Talk and
then I'll answer the question? By all United
Nations If you've done resolutions against Israel Gentlemen
Okay. There are You have to let there
are human rights organizations. Adnan. Adnan. No. You
have to let me stop. Your premise. Give
me a second. Okay? As a I need
to introduce this by pointing out, I don't
claim to be an expert on these facts,
and I don't wanna misrepresent Then why are
you talking territory. Yes. Given
I don't understand enough facts, I think it's
is it? Is it?
By territory?
Yes. Given I don't understand enough facts, I
think it is, but I'm not a 100%
sure.
Because of my lack of knowledge,
which I'm owning. Are you are you that
are you are you that are you that
ill informed? I may be. Are you that
are you that? Okay. Mike Are you that
ignorant? Okay. Basic facts. Then let's discuss I
may be. So I'm owning up to my
ideas. Talk I mean, earlier,
when I questioned you about the genocide Yeah.
You said it is appalling Correct. But I
want to discuss the I wanna discuss the
way forward. The way no. No. You said
That's what I wanna discuss, the way forward.
What is the best way of resolving this
from everybody's policy? That should be the question.
Territory.
I believe so, but I don't know enough
facts. Okay. Wait. Stop cutting me off. I'm
not talking about the details. You're cutting me.
I'm not saying how many inches. Okay. You
guys you guys How many acres? How many
kilometers? I'm talking about a basic fact in
It's Palestine occupied territory. And I've claimed due
to my ignorance, I can't occupied territory. He
doesn't wanna do it today. The guy is
claiming occupied
territory.
To continue, I have said,
given my limited knowledge, I think so, but
I don't wanna make out. I'm an expert.
You're not kidding. No. I'm not kidding. So
that's the first point we discussed. Because it's
Before you get to ideas Because it's before
you get to the genocide I think you're
wrong. We need to discuss you're wrong. What
is going on in this land. I think
you're wrong. I think it. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Let's start from the beginning. Let's start with
Palestine occupied territory. We're gonna discuss that point.
No. Let's try this. Let's have a clock
2 minutes each, and then we can actually
have a dialogue inside. Are you don't have
I
want to have a fruitful targeted So do
I. So Is Palestine occupied territory? Minutes each.
Listen. Why is it you are you a
Christian?
I'm not answering more questions. Let's just take
2 minutes each. Christians are supposed to guys.
Mercy You think you're getting your best quality
debate here with this? Or would you like
this on a clock? Followers of Christ. Would
you like us
on a clock? No. I mean So we
can have an actual discussion where I give
him time to talk. 100%. He gives me
time to talk. Would you like to hear
that? Hear what you have said. Okay? I
don't think anybody is hearing anything at the
moment. Occupied territories. Okay. What I'm the topic.
Okay. What I am trying to do is
make as many as One minute, one minute
is Palestine. How many no. You don't get
to dictate the question in my 2 minutes.
I get Okay. I get the question. In
your 2 minutes. I get the same time.
Does anyone got a clock? At 9:1 minute.
2 minutes. Has anyone got a clock? Is
Palestine occupied to you? Got a clock? I'm
not choosing to use my 2 minutes to
attack that. Palestine occupied to you? My 2
who's having the first 2 minutes? Is this,
you know, this this flag, it's it's it's
Okay. It seems we don't know how to
share it tonight. Is it is it occupied
territory? That's the point I wanna discuss. Because
once we discuss this flag, everything else will
become clear why the genocide is taking
here got a clock to time 2 minutes.
Sorry. Yeah. Have you So that's the topic
of discussion. Okay? No. That's another topic of
discussion. What are you discussing? My topic of
discussion is Is what? What is the best
outcome that could be got from the solution?
This is what the eye should be on
the ball. What is the best solution for
the people of Palestine Right. And the people
of Israel. That should be the highest topic.
How do we discuss the solution if we
don't agree on the causes of the conflict?
So I suggest I suggest
that when we're discussing it, we try and
at least make as many as statements we
can agree on before we start disagreeing. We
find out what common ground we have. Solution
that comes back to the cause of the
problem. I agree. Remove the cause I agree.
And there won't be effect.
Okay? Remove the cause. The cause is occupation.
Okay. Israel Israel is an occupying power, is
a western occupying power backed by the western
governments,
backed by the Christian right, backed by the
the bible bashers in the American south. Okay.
The Zionist Christians backed by the British
ruling establishment, not the people. The people the
people don't want this. So no discussion. No
discussion. No discussion.
2 minutes each. Someone get a clock. So
let's go to the cause. Someone get a
clock. The cause is occupation. No. I'm going
to the cause is occupation. The cause is
occupation. Who's talking first? What? You got a
clock. What are we discussing? Yes. That's very
important. What are we discussing? I have made
it clear. I think the thing everybody should
keep their eye on is how do you
resolve this bad thing? Does he agree? And
okay. So we need to agree on the
question at least. Do you agree? But here's
one here's one thing we agree on. We
agree, I think, that what Israel is doing
in Gaza the moment is appalling. Okay?
I'd like to see the people of Palestine
get a better deal. I think that you're
being diverted in these debates into questions of
is it genocide, is it terrorism, this and
that. And you can spend hours debating that
and it deflects from it doesn't matter. As
long as what's happening is appalling It deflects
from the main problem. Problem. Can I finish?
I agree. As long as you agree What
is the main problem?
If you It deflects on the main problem.
Yeah. What is the main problem? The the
main problem is if we can agree that
what Israel is doing there, I think, is
appalling, that's enough. We can move on. No.
No. No. No. No. This is the I'm
actually trying to help and agree with you.
This is a simp to what you're discussing
is an outcome. We're discussing the cause. What
is the main problem? What is causing all
of this?
What is causing all of this? This? What
is causing causing this is a very, I
think, complex
international
Complex. Can I finish? Are we on 2
minutes? Very simple. Who's tie whose clock are
we on? Okay. If I'm gonna talk. You're
not I've wait. I have already said I
okay.
Okay. You're talking Tell me when I got
too much in the like, you're talking like
a politician. Okay. Fine. Fine. Whatever I'm talking,
I just let me talk. Are very complex.
We really have to do me give me
the cake. Really have to get into the
meeting pretty easily. The idea is The idea
is shut. Get things that people are Yeah.
I do. Look. I am trying to avoid
that. I made a very I'm trying to
get straight to the cross. Great. Well, we'll
do that better if we have a conversation.
We'll do that better if we share a
cross. So
So
anyway.
What? Fucking *. I wanna talk for shitty.
No. No.
No. No. Right. Why do we come? Alright.
Okay. Let him make his noise and
Okay.
Back to I one of us is on
the clock. I wanna talk about the causes.
Okay. You wanna talk about the causes? Yeah.
Actually, no. I think I wanna talk about
solutions. And I think you are doing the
solutions that are actually linked to us. I
agree. Solutions and causes are linked, but I
think we need to keep our eye on
the ball. Put on the cause. When you
start micromanaging discussions about is it terrorism, if
we agree all agree it's appalling I'm not
getting it done. That's enough. I'm not getting
it done. Okay. So is it terrorism? Once
we establish
the cause,
everything will become clear. So What's the cause?
Okay.
We need to what's the cause of the
conflict? There there have there have been mass
murders, genocides,
massacres, Jenin, and we have so many,
Nakaba
children and women. Nakaba
children and women have been killed, raped,
jailed, brutalized,
children shot in the head by Israeli soldiers'
idea. All of it. What is causing it?
When What is causing it? Right. When do
I get to respond?
You want to respond to what? Well, number
1, do I dictating the question. Okay. I
will address both questions. Okay. Your key question
is what is the cause? Yes. And I
think it's obviously a relevant question. I'm not
disputing that. Of course understanding causes. I think
a second, and I think more important question
is what's the * solution? Okay? Can we
address both of those questions? Yeah. Let's discuss
the cause first. Okay. With regard to cause,
I've already said, unfortunately, my area is like
ethics, teleology, metaphysics. That's my primary interest. I'm
not a political scientist. You get to the
solutions? No. No. No. When he gets to
the solution, he becomes a political scientist. Wait.
No. I'm not But when we discuss the
cause, you
are everything but a political scientist. Sorry. Okay.
But when it comes to the solution, you
become a geopolitician.
No. I'm claiming I may be ignorant of
facts that other people know better than me.
Not discuss the solution. No. I'm sorry.
I'm just caveat.
You're not
qualified. You're No. I'm not qualified to discuss
facts in the way that probably other people
are. But how are you qualified to discuss
the solution? I am qualified to discuss ethics
and methodology
and objectivity
and self consistency
and principles that should be brought to bed
in any discussion including politics. Okay? I appreciate
that. Now my heart essentially
thinks the Palestinians had a bad deal and
what the idea for doing in Israel
is appalling. Okay? Does that make my position
broadly clear? Okay? It it makes it very
very,
I mean, how can I put it? The
language you are using is very light. You
as if I'm sorry. It's light. But As
I mean, as in What what
what what do I have to say in
order to show
I'm kind 1,000 children
is not only appalling. The word appalling to
me is disgusting. Okay. It's appalling and disgusting.
It's more embarrassing. But appalling to me is
all of that. Okay? So if we can
agree it's appalling, can we move on? We
need solutions. Okay? What's causing you? What's
solutions. I suggest for solutions. We start with
discuss the solutions. We'll do both. The cause.
We're gonna do both. So we're gonna do
both. Okay. Let's discuss the cause. Okay. When
we'll let you explain. When it comes to
the causes because I'm more ignorant of facts,
I'm under the illusion, the key mode Okay.
Brothers, thank you so much. What? I don't
conversation.
What? I'm about to talk about the consequences.
Mike, Mike, Mike.
Guys. You're running away. I'm running away. I'm
totally running away from wasting waste of time.
You're totally running away. Ramadan and I'm fasting.
You're asking me the causes and I just
said
you're asking me the causes and I'm about
to say what they are.
Hang on. Hang on. That's his. Do you
really the guy you're just running away. The
causes seem to pivot on 1948.
The causes seem to pivot on 1948.
Where have you been put on And the
declaration of the state of Israel in 1948.
I want you. Yes? No? Need to check,
man, before I Okay. You're just running. I'm
mic'd up. No. I'm I'm I'm you're not
serious. I just answered the question. You're clearly
not serious. The the main cause seems to
be 1948, the establishment of the So I
don't think it became a Wait. Wait. Wait.
Give me give me give me give me
give me
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. And he just made
a statement Yeah. That the cause is why
couldn't he say that before? Because I know
Mike's fucking Why couldn't you? Okay. He's gonna
have to be I'm gonna be Because I'm
being honest and I'm trying you're not used
to debating people who are trying to honest.
I'm actually more on your side than their
side. I don't believe you're honest. Because if
you're honest Okay. You would have no You
guys did. Hesitation in saying what you just
said. No. What did you say? What did
you say? If I know I don't know
my facts, then I can't be comfortable when
I assert a fact. The you don't know
that Chinese came in I believe. You don't
know that the Chinese came in to Palestine
and spoke to the fact. You wanna know
what I believe? I'm telling you what I
believe. Yeah. I believe in my potential ignorance
that this pivots on 1948,
that there was a mass immigration of Jews
unfairly into Palestine, which displaced about 700
and 50,000
Arabs
in the Makba.
Okay? This is my understanding. If you hadn't
spent 10 minutes interrupting me Amazingly. I was
just trying to I was just trying to
caveat it. What I was trying to get
out of the last Stop interrupting.
If you didn't keep interrupting, I would've got
that out of my mouth 10 minutes ago.
I'm caveating
it by saying, I'm not claiming that I'm
expert on these facts and I may have
misunderstood them. Expert. I may if I talk
to a Jewish person,
they will tell me, no, mate. You don't
know your facts.
And I don't know some. If I talk
to some If you talk to a Zionist
if I talk to some commentators, so I
kind of immediately go, hey. You're full of
I've got I've got to listen to everybody.
If you They will tell me I don't
know my facts. Terrorist and ask him to
explain,
their perspective on war, and then you you
decide to believe their perspective.
Are you justified in believing that? I'm gonna
listen to this. This. About
the conflict in Palestine, and then you decide
to believe their perspective. I'll tell you how
I'll tell you how I'm valid conversations. I
wanna know how self consistent is somebody being,
how ethical is they are they being, and
how objective are they being. Okay? That's what
I wanna know. And I know that I
don't know enough facts about this to be
totally sure. But my best bet is it's
48, it's the Nakba, it's displacement,
it's expansion of settlements against UN law and
all of that stuff. I'm basically buying it,
Tony. I'm basically buying into that narrative. Tony.
Okay? Tony. Tony. Now, what you need to
understand Tony. Don't don't. What you need to
understand is
this year, uniquely worldwide,
half of the populations of the world are
voting to reelect governments.
Okay? 4,000,000,000 people, coincidentally, all get to reelect.
America's not the only election. It's a good
time in new ministry. Okay. Whatever it is.
There's gonna be a to share. A potential
massive seed change, and most of us are
lame in our 4,000,000,000,
and we can't be experts on all facts.
We gotta make some decisions. So we've got
a Occam's razor cut through a lot of
the small print to the bigger picture. So
if I make a basic assertion like what's
happening in Gaza
seems appalling, for about 4,000,000,000 people, that's the
sentence I think they can gestate and work
with. If I say you've got to read
that book, that book, that book, know this
fact, and you're an idiot because I know
more than you, I'll alienate them, and I
want them on board. So, I'm trying to
use simple language and cut straight through, hopefully,
to help the Palestinian people. I've been walking
around with information against Ben Shapiro and that
lot and Douglas Murray and whatever quite some
time and no opportunity to quote it. Because
the minute I open my mouth, people assume
that I'm fucking Zionist for some reason and
I'm not. However, I'm not so anti Israel
that I can't see an argument for a
2 state solution still. Okay? Now, you know
where I stand. Yeah. Okay. Okay? So so
so when you say 2 state solution,
you want the Zionist
you want the Zionist to have I don't
like Zionism. I don't like Zionists. Guys they're
Zionists.
The Israeli government is Zionist. What do you
mean? I don't hang on. I don't
like Netanyahu. Netanyahu is clearly bad news. But
you said the Israeli government. Israeli
Israeli government
and Israel the state of Israel is
I'm not I'm not pro Zionist. The state
of Israel. I'm not pro Zionist. I am
pro 2 state. Is that what reason you
say you want the Zionist to rule I
didn't say that. In the middle of I
didn't say that. You are against peace. I
didn't say that. Okay. We're not talking about
the Jewish people here by the way. Jewish
people, we have no problem with the Jewish
people. Okay. The Jewish people lived with the
Muslims for over a 1000 years. Right. We
protected. The Muslim civilization
protected the Jewish people for over a 1000
years. I've done podcasts.
I've done a lot of stuff with this
on through evidence. I have presented evidence
where the Jewish rabbis, Jewish intellectuals,
and leaders themselves testify to the fact that
the Jews
ex ex experienced the golden age under the
rule of Islam, in Al Andalus in particular,
in Spain, for from 900 to 1200 for
3. So this is not a question about
the Jewish people. No. No. This is a
small group of extremist
terrorists Sorry. And genocidal maniacs. We're talking about
browsing. I made I made a simple assertion.
People who have been thinking about genocide. I
made a simple assertion. Yeah. I'm in favor
of a 2 state solution. I think look
at the chief Because I think can I
which means can I finish? Because I think
land of Palestine's Zionist. Because I think I
think That's what he means. Right? Can I
finish? Yeah. I've been on
pro Palestinian marches for about 30 years. Okay?
That's where my heart's been. When I've been
on This I have a black wife. This
is this is the slide. Okay. A kid
just keeps slagging me the second I say
anything with prejudice. Yeah. And your viewers can
decide realistically, can I finish? Can I finish?
You just said you want a state for
the Zionist? I have been on You just
said you want a state?
I said I am saying. I've been on
pro Palestinian march for 30 years. Do you
want a state for the Zionist? Understanding
during that was that we were marching for
a 2 state solution Which is what? In
accord with the explained it. In accord with
the United Nations laws.
Yeah. Because I would support those laws and
their indictments of Israel for expansions of 70
nations. So don't believe in those laws? Fine.
They don't, and I disagree with them because
I want you wanna state for them. I'm
with the US. You wanna state for the
Zionist. I think that the They are breaking
all laws. They're not following any regulations,
any resolutions. They don't care about they don't
care about you and me. They don't, resolutions.
They don't care about they don't care about
you and me. They don't give Okay. To
whom I do not about what the world
thinks of them. I want it for this.
Why thinks of them. I want it for
the That's why they still send rockets to
children. I'm not they are sending rockets to
children. I am not saying I'm pro Zionist.
You're adding
that. You are. Watch the tape back. I
say I want a 2 state solution. For
who? You say I support Okay. Two states
for who? Who? Jewish people and Palestinians. Is
this not this is not our question about
Israelis
who give me your name Zionist. No. It's
Zionist. Israelis. Zionist. Israelis. They are Zionists. They're
not all Zionists. They're not Jewish. It's just
okay. Now hang on. I can talk to
someone like that. Excuse me. He is now
an expert. Okay. Now He is now an
expert. Okay. Now He is now an expert.
Okay. Now He is now an expert. Okay.
If Am I wrong? I was standing here
today, ladies and gentlemen Am I wrong? Brothers
and sisters. Thank you. I thank you. I'm
right. I'm standing here today. And I buy
Okay. That's all I'm saying. So I support
the people in Israel who are anti Netanyahu.
Guys. Is that clear? Well, they could say
Why what what brothers, One second. I I
I'm not gonna face you fine. Zionism. I
mean, I want basically anti Zion. Wait. Wait.
I'm I'm gonna do that for you. What
wait.
If I stood here today It's really hard
to be on your side. Do you realize
I'm basically on your team. Can you imagine
what it's like You're not not our team
No. I am. No. I am. Unless I
think a one second You are part the
problem. You're part of the problem. Okay. I'm
not I'll tell you why. I'll tell you
why. If I stood here today, and I
said half of Iraq should be given back
to ISIS
and give Mosul as the capital,
okay, give half of Syria to ISIS and
the other half to the Iraqi people and
the other half of Syria to Bashar al
Assad.
What would you think of me?
And it's a 2 state solution, by the
way. Yeah? To to establish peace, let's have
peace in the Middle East. Give Isis a
chunk. Give them a chunk. As mass murdering
barbarians as they are, as extreme as they
are, as genocidal maniacs as they are, as
much as all these things they are, give
them a chunk. What would you think of
me? I'm I'm asking an honest
question. Why is it that when people Right.
That people that is so far disagree. Talk
about why is it that when people like
this talk about the Zionist
owning territory in the middle I'm not pro
Zionist. Because when there's a 2 state solution,
they mean the Zionist There always was. Occupied
land from There always was a proposed 2
state solution with withdrawal care.
Withdraw from the occupied settlements. Yes. Of 500
Right of return. You give land to ISIS.
I'm gonna disagree with that. I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna propagate that. How many of
these things do I
have to agree with before you try trying
to slander me? Okay. I agree with the
right of return. I agree that the Nakba
was wrong. I agree that what's happening with
the idea is appalling. Agree
rule. Saying is when it You're also agreeing
the Zionists should
rule.
Palestine.
Right? I agree with 2 state I think
2 state solution. Does that mean? 2 state
solution means Practically, what does that mean? Some
of the land is owned by what I'll
call Israelis. No. Not Zion. Zionist? No. Israelis.
Zionist. There is no there is no such
thing as Israelis. Okay. Are all This is
the Zionist state of Israel. Are you are
you claiming that all Israelis subscribe to Zionism?
Is that your claim? That's the problem with
the world. He's not reacting. The problem with
the world is people think like this. I'm
under the illusion that not all Israelis are
Zionists. Without
meaning. He's saying I believe in the 2
state solution. Yeah. I'm asking him what does
it actually mean practically. And I'm telling you
What's the state? And I'm telling you, Palestine
owns and is recognized in international law, which
should have happened 70 years If another if
another group of people happened 70 years ago
according to the international law, which I support,
the fact that Israel the the Palestinian law
is wrong. The fact no. International law is
correct. Palestinians should've If the the Palestinians should've
been given a state about 70 years ago
and they've been shot. Says to me give
land to access. Shall we do it? What?
Simple question. If the international community decides today,
if the United Nations decide today that we
should give half of Iraq to ISIS, would
you agree? Be an be give me an
honest question. Because I'm dis No. Right? Because
I it's like No. Is enough. No. Because
What that proves either So what that what
that show what that shows is Is it
because is that because of the Zionist not
every Is it because of the Zionist is
it because of the Zionist not every Is
it because of the Zionist is it because
of Zionism is it because
of Zionist
are
white? Everybody else. Because I'm just racist. You
know that's me. I just come here and
told you this because actually I'm just a
racist, bigger. I'm a stupid
simple minded guy who's totally against your position,
who's got no sympathy with Israel Palestine. It's
really obvious from everything I've said about the
Nakba burning bag. Tony Tony Tony. The right
next turn, I think I'm making sense. Land
to ISIS, but you would give land to
Zionists. People no. Because
Yes. You do. You would. Okay. You would
give land to Zionist. Let me be clear.
Yeah. Okay. Let me can I be clear?
Your argument predicates on the assumption,
which may or may not be true. Would
you argue for the return of the
Israelis are Zionists. Okay? If United Nations decides
give half of Germany to Nazis. Would you
agree? No.
Whatever I am in favor of the the
I am in favor of the Palestinian
people having a recognized state, and I'm in
favor of what I will call the Israeli
people for now having a non Zionist recognized
state. Okay? Who are they? Who are they?
That that doesn't exist. Okay. That entity doesn't
exist. You're just making things up. No. No.
No. No. Okay. Great. There is no there
is no candidate
in Palestine that is called non Zionist
Israeli Jews. They're all zines. Or independent Palestine.
Okay. It doesn't agree. Okay. Then you're right.
Then then we then maybe we can't agree.
So there's no hope in your eyes for
a 2 state solution because every Israeli is
inevitably a Zionist I must and all Zionists
are wrong. So we can only have a
one state solution. Tony. So now describe to
me how this one state solution works. Because
what I see is, if you take all
the Palestine maybe I'm stupid. If you take
all the Palestinian people right now and you
take all the Israeli people now and you
put them into one state, I've got a
crazy idea that whoever's got the majority there
will abuse the minority. Okay? Now, maybe that
means that you'll end up with That's a
lie. With more Islam. That's a lie. You
don't think there's Muslims?
Muslims
Muslim
Muslim
ruled Palestine
for over a 1000 years, and there were
Jewish people living, thriving Okay. Prospering and then
I'm not querying any of that. What I'm
what I said Go and watch my Playback
what I said. You need to watch my
vlog Play back what I said. Jab on
this topic. Okay. Play back what I said.
What I said was,
whoever ends up being the majority will abuse
that minority. Now, you're saying That's wrong. He's
half wait wait. No. You guys are not
diligent in your thinking. This is wrong. He
half answers it. You know? Play it back
and listen. He is not listening to the
question. He half slimy as to the point.
No. I'm just logical. Slimy. He half answered
it. Very, very slimy. He half answered it.
What he answers was, Tony. If what he
answered was. Tony. If the Muslims are the
majority, they won't abuse the Jews. Right. Let's
assume I accept that. But No. No. No.
Yeah, I put it to you that if
the Jew majority. They would have been too.
Do you disagree? Evidence that You disagree with
that? He didn't even hear what I said.
Okay. Is that far gone? What did I
say? Okay. I'm of the opinion story. That
if you end up in a state with
the majority is Jewish,
government in one state that they will likely
end up abusing you. I think that's true.
I think you think that's true. No. You
should oh, you think they'll treat you well?
You think they'll treat you well? You're not
making sense. Okay. Fine. And and the more
you're talking, the more you're making a mockery
of yourself. You don't you don't think you
can say it's a mockery of the house
cover. No. You're not con No. I think
they'll treat you right. Supposed to be an
expert on ethics and consistency. What what was
that called? Your your field? Consistency. Consistency. Being
I'm being consistent. Ethically I think it's consistent
to think that if 2 groups of people
hate each other as much as these 2
groups hate one other right now, if tomorrow
I put all those people in the same
place Why don't you and you end up
with an Israeli majority argue I think the
Arabs will get a bad time. But maybe
I'm wrong. ISIS and Nazis. Why don't you
argue the same for ISIS and there are
neo Nazis in Germany. There are neo Nazis
who want the revival of Nazis. Okay. You
know what? There are neo Nazis in Britain.
There are neo Nazis in Poland. That's right.
There are neo Nazis all over Europe. Okay.
They want the revival of the fascist
Nazi Fine. And and if they manage to
take some land,
people like this would argue, oh, leave this
land with them. They are Nazis. So you
want what you want a one state solution?
They are they are holocausting
Okay. Explain to me the merits of a
one state solution. So sorry? I said we
want I said that we should keep our
eyes on the ball with the solution. Explain
to me the merits. I think I'll I'll
What do you want? Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Wait. Hang on. The merits of a 2
state solution is you don't immediately kill each
other. That's what I think might be an
advantage. Because right now, the 2 states hate
each other. I think that's feasible. Now what's
the advantage of a one state solution? Same
logic. What? Same logic applies that you wanna
give
a piece of land in Palestine Uh-huh. To
the Zionist,
a genocidal,
apartheid,
racist,
mass murdering entity. You are arguing. When you
say 2 state solution, you when you when
you say 2 state solution Uh-huh. You are
arguing for
the land of Palestine, a Palestine, a big
chunk of it Yeah. To be given to
an entity
that has blood of millions of people on
its hands. I buy the blood I buy
the blood thing. I'm not arguing with the
blood thing. So you will give the land
to them. Let me explain why. And that's
it. Let me explain why. Our discussion is
Let me explain why. Here's things. If any
of you are interested in why I think
that might be, there's an argument for this.
Okay? I don't think it's for any of
the reasons that most of the Jews give
you, the Israelis give you. We're not discussing
the Jewish people. If I can talk for
a minute. We're not discussing I am discussing
as well. Question about the Jewish people. Okay.
I'm telling you I am telling you my
logic for this. Okay? If you let me
express it. Secular, extremist,
atheistic, godless entity. You can hear the guy
interrupt like crazy. I'm giving you my reason
why I think this is the case. Yeah.
If it was 1948
and someone asked me, should the Israelis be
given that land? If I was in charge,
I would say no. They need a land,
but not there. Okay? But the British Okay.
Okay. And the British I'm not the British.
I'm just arguing for my You are British.
British. Okay? I'm not Are we? Okay. I'm
not responsible for decisions of people made who
are not me. We all have bloodlines. Okay?
So if it were 1948,
I would go no. And I believe Marshall
said this to Truman. Marshall said to Truman,
if you give the Israelis this set of
land, it's gonna create a whole lot of
trouble forever. I'm not gonna solve my history
and I know a bit. I know a
bit.
Okay? Because I try to be modest. I
do some research. But history is coming up.
I do some research.
I watch So you're not that simple, are
you? Yeah. Hang on. Hold on. You're not
that simple. No. But I'm not as much
of an expert as a bunch of people.
You might like, I think this is done.
Hello? If you put me next to Hazel's
dad, you know who will be up. PhD
doctor Okay. On the geopolitics So I'm just
trying the history of Palestine. No. I'm just
trying to be honest and a little bit
humble about the potential limitations of my knowledge.
But this is what it's actually drowning you.
Maybe. Okay. Well, I prefer to be have
too much humility than too much hubris. Okay?
Yeah. So, anyway, if it was 48, given
my limited understanding, I would go maybe we
we shouldn't have a state of Israel here,
but they need 1. Holocaust have been picked
on too much. They need somewhere safe. $40.
And the Internet, I know. I'm not. So
just not there. That's the worst place to
go. Okay?
Now my logic and you won't hear this
from many people. Yeah. My logic for why
maybe there should be 2 states now is
not for the usual reasons you'll hear from
Israelis, which are usually
number 1, God gave us the land. And
my answer is I don't give a shit
about the magic man in the sky. This
is a secular real estate problem. We can't
do international politics based on any people going,
our God gave us it. So that can
go. The second argument you'll hear the muse
that can also go is 3000 years ago
blah blah blah blah. And again, I'm just
not interested because we can't do international politics
based on shit that happened 3000 years ago.
Because if we did, we'd have to give
America back to the Indians, we'd have to
give Britain back to the Celts, We'd have
to give Australia back to the Aborigines.
Okay. There'd be a whole lot of it's
not reasonable. We need to address Why is
that not reasonable? Well, maybe it is. But
if if people
Okay. Hang on. You may have a point.
Maybe You're talking like a colonial officer now.
Okay. Maybe I'm wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. I'm
talking like a colonial
settler. So I'll backtrack. Took the land from
the native Adnan has a good point. Yeah.
All I my only claim is to be
consistent. Maybe we should give it back. Back.
All we've gotta do is be consistent. Okay?
So in the interest of consistency in international
law, we need statutes limitations.
The third thing that you'll hear them argue
is, well, when we got the land, we
cultivated it in a way the Arabs didn't.
And that's a * argument because that's like
me saying, well,
if I go and buy a car and
then I don't wash it properly and you
come by and nick it and then you
go, mate, I've got a butler who cleans
my car, cleans your car better.
That's not the deal. When I Tony, cut
the cut the cut the cut the cut.
What is I hey, I'm giving good arguments
you should use against them because you guys
spend too much time micro managers for arguing.
Against them. Great. I'd use these 3 arguments.
I'm using history. Can I finish? They they
are occupiers. Okay. Can I finish?
So when you're debating them, just cut through
the shit. Don't give me the God's shit.
Don't give me the 3000 year shit. Don't
give me the stuff about the red car
that I look after better because that's not
how private property works. If I buy a
car, it's up to me if I wanna
clean it. You don't get to steal it
just because you look after it. Hard man.
So now, the reason I do think they
have a claim, I prepped you on how
I got here. They have a claim for
what? To be there now. Just the first
question. Forget I'm not using the word Zionist.
These Israelis. Because we're dealing with Zionist. Okay.
You say we are. I say we're not.
That's what we're dealing with. I'm using
30. We're not dealing with. I won't let
me finish. We're not dealing with people. You
wanna know my logic. I'm telling you. Yeah.
In 1948,
should they have the land? I think no.
It's just conflict and stupidity. That's game over.
Can I fit can I Did you give
the land back? Can I finish? Okay, guys.
However, if I think a human being has
lived in a place for the whole of
their life and they didn't choose to get
born there, at that point, they have a
potential ethical claim to that
land. That is a statute limitation we should
use. I'm happy to, but you this is
like this hold it. For the same reason
the Palestinians
should get the land back that they were
kicked out of in the Nakba because they
were born there. For that same reason And
the world's biggest oxymoron. Oxymoron. I got a
Jewish state without their Zionism.
What's that? Okay. So you own state. What's
that? Get in the book. I tried.