Adnan Rashid – AHMADIYYA IDEOLOGY & WORLD OF DREAMS

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The importance of clear dreams and evidence in verifying Islam's claims is emphasized in Christian faith. Visitors are encouraged to share their own experiences and thoughts on the topic. The religious community in India is also discussed, including the rise of Muslims and the downfall of their religious freedom. The speakers stress the importance of evidence in shaping behavior and beliefs, finding evidence to be cleared, and proving a claim made by a brother in a conversation. They also touch on the challenges of finding reference for personal lives and the need for volunteers to help with the process. The importance of finding a way to convince someone of their actions, researching the situation "by the way", and finding a way to convince someone of their actions is emphasized.
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu everyone.
We begin with this du'a that may
Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala keep all of
you Muslims in the best state of health
and Iman and our sincere prayers for the
Ahmadi community, may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
guide all of them to the fold of
Islam, Ameen Ya Rabbul Aalameen.
So, as you can see our today's topic
is Ahmadiyya ideology and world of dreams.
Some of you may be surprised that what
the topic could be about.
Before I give you some insight into the
topic, let me share with you an anecdote.
So, when I was in the UK a
couple of months ago, we had the opportunity
to meet with an official delegate from the
Ahmadiyya Centre, their Baitul Futuh.
So it was myself, Adnan Bhai and a
couple of other brothers from the Muslim side
and I believe there were four Ahmadi officials.
So, I am using this word official on
purpose because one of them was their Murabbi
who you have seen in the past as
well on these live streams, Raheel Ahmed and
there were three other people and the reason
I said official because when they came to
meet us, they said this in black and
white, said look we came officially to meet
you and Adnan Rashid.
So anyhow, what was the subject of the
meeting, that's a separate discussion.
But the reason I mentioned that is regarding
tonight's topic.
So I said to them, I said look
you are four people sitting here and all
of you are obviously well versed in your
ideology.
I am really interested to know that if
each one of you can tell me that
what is the number one evidence or that
top argument which you have.
Obviously you could say that there is a
plethora of arguments, there is a multitude of
arguments in the favour of the truthfulness of
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani according to Ahmadis.
I said but I am really interested if
every single one of you sitting here and
there were four people, each one of them
was well versed in this ideology.
I said can you please give me one
argument, just one argument, which according to you
is the most powerful and most convincing argument
regarding the truthfulness of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
And to your surprise and maybe our surprise
as well, three out of four said straight
away.
They said that the first one said I
had a dream, second one said I had
a dream, third one said I had a
dream, and the fourth one in that order
was no other than Raheel Ahmed.
What Raheel Ahmed said I cannot remember and
I am sure that if we ask Raheel
Ahmed to recollect those memories of what exactly
you said because maybe perhaps Allah knows better,
maybe he was feeling a bit embarrassed to
say that I had a dream because like
I said there were four altogether and three
of them are telling me that they had
a dream.
And guess what?
Then I gave them a second opportunity.
I said okay no problem, let's go again,
let's have a second round.
And I said to them, I said okay
what is the biggest evidence, the most powerful
evidence that you have as an Ahmadi official
to believe that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a
truthful person in his claims?
SubhanAllah, again three of them did not say
anything.
Raheel Ahmed said something interesting and it is
again SubhanAllah, it's heartbreaking for us but in
their terms it's called ilzami jawab.
You know what he said to me, Raheel
Ahmed?
He said that what evidence do you have
that Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam was a
truthful person in his claims?
Can you imagine?
Why did you ask me this question?
Because in theory, in theory there is no
disagreement on his blessed personality.
You say in the public that you believe
in him, you tell people that he was
Ghulam-e-Ahmad and all of this kind
of, you know, this rhetoric.
I said look, the reason, if you ask
me number one reason, I would say it
is the Quran.
Quran as a most powerful convincing miracle is
a number one proof for anyone regardless of
somebody is a Muslim or not because the
truthfulness and the miraculous nature of the Quran
can be established even for the one who
is not a Muslim because the content of
the Quran, there are signs in the Quran.
In order to appreciate those signs and in
order to conclude that this book could not
have been authored by any human being, we
can provide evidence which will be acceptable either
you are a Muslim or non-Muslim.
So this is what was asked by Raheel
Ahmed and then he said that same thing
as most of the Ahmadis would say, I
mean the Ahmadi official would say, I should
rephrase, they would say that look, if Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani was a liar, why would Allah
let him and his community progress?
At this point, I asked them this question,
can you please define what do you mean
by progress or if you talk in the
Quranic terms, they would use the word falah
because they say, the Quran says, those who
are zalimun, those who are the oppressors or
those who are the wrongdoers, they can never
progress, they can never have the falah or
the success.
At this point, I am asking them, can
you please define for me what is the
success for an ideology?
Please define and the reason I am saying
this is because in whichever way they are
going to define success, on that same standard,
we can prove that it means that the
other cults and other false religions, they are
successful as well.
For example, I give you a simple example
and by the way, I am not moving
away from my topic but the reason I
shared that story or that account or the
encounter with the Ahmadi official, so you can
see that, look, even at that point, even
at that point, by the way, I did
not realize that this could be the number
one argument but after that, I came across
certain videos of convert Ahmadis in which they
are telling their story that how they had
this vision and dream in which they were
told that Ahmadiyya is the true ideology and
likewise, I spoke to some of the Ahmadis,
I mean, I would say former Ahmadis and
they are very well educated and I had
some discussions with them in the past couple
of weeks and some of them, they are
very well versed in the Ahmadiyya ideology and
they were almost like, you know, making it
as a mission in their life to propagate
the ideology and Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
guiding them the fold of Islam.
Even they testified to that and said, look,
that this dream thing, this dream thing is
a big thing in the Ahmadiyya community that
people are just quoting their dream right, left
and center that, you know, that how their
dreams, in some cases, it is their dream
or it is the dream of their forefathers.
For example, you know, some of their people
who are quote-unquote rational, they might not
quote their dream or they might not have
their dream but then they would say, look,
my grandfather had a dream and in that
dream, he was told that, you know, join
the Ahmadiyya movement or the Ahmadiyya ideology and
that's how the Ahmadiyya came in our family
and, you know, now how can I ever
say that this could be wrong?
Subhanallah.
So, this is a bit of context that
why I chose this topic because I was
surprised because I never thought that it could
be of this magnitude that it is not
Quran, it is not Sunnah, it is not
the strength or weakness of the argument, it
is rather the dreams which are playing a
big role in this community.
So, inshallah, in this today's program or in
some cases in tonight's program, depending on where
you're watching from, inshallah, I'll discuss with you
and I'll share with you some of the
video clips of some of their previous caliphs
and including their current caliph and some other,
you know, short clips as well and then
inshallah, we'll comment on that and we really
want to hear from somebody from their side
that what is their side of the story
and let me tell you one thing before
we move on.
You know, at this stage, just imagine this
live stream, alhamdulillah, it's not something special in
us, it is something special in the truth
of Islam.
Now, they are so scared, yes, they are
scared and you know this, that they are
not willing to come and confront anymore and
now they are giving excuses, oh, ex-Ahmadis,
you know, they are basically, you know, sorry,
the non-Ahmadis, you know, or the anti
-Ahmadis or the anti-Jamaat people, oh, you
know, they are actually, they are not using
the right language, their language is not appropriate.
Subhanallah, at this stage, I am still waiting
to see that one Ahmadi, that one Ahmadi
who is at least fair and just and
I want to ask him this question and
my question is, if someone is using vulgar
language, let's talk about the principle and then
once we agree on the principle, we can
apply the principle across the board, right?
That is what is called being consistent and
being consistent is another world being on the
truth, agree?
Now, let me ask you a simple question
and please come on, any of you, because
I know you cannot confront us anymore, sit
on your platform and answer a simple question.
If someone is using vulgar language, inappropriate language,
is this person justified to be preaching Allah's
religion to others?
Please address the question.
If you are going to say that no,
if somebody is using vulgar language, this person
cannot preach Allah's religion and guess what?
On this principle, the first person who will
disqualify is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and if you
would say that no, despite having a vulgar
language, somebody has the right to preach Islam
and people should interact with them, then why
don't you interact with the, in your terms,
non-Ahmadis because you don't have this standard.
If you do have this standard, that somebody
has to have a very civilized and by
the way, let me ask this question, what
have we ever said which can be labeled
as vulgar?
What is it?
According to you, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani is a
prophet of God and on these streams, you
kept saying this, you kept praising him and
in our belief, he was a liar, okay,
he was one of those like more than
30 Antichrist or Dajjal, Dajjal or Antichrist or
a liar or Kazzab, okay, these are not
the vulgar terms.
Don't you know that Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam has labeled any false claimant of prophethood
and by the way, anyone who would claim
to be a prophet of Allah after Nabi
Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, he will be in
this category.
Let me give you ilzami jawab, right, because
you love ilzami jawab, right.
If today, if today someone claims to be
a prophet of Allah and you as Ahmadiyya
community, you are 100% sure on the
basis of evidence that he is lying, please
be just, would you not say that this
person is one of those liars and deceivers
according to Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, would
you not say this, you have to say
this, right.
So, if somebody is a false claimant of
prophethood, these are two titles, these are two
titles which are used in our religion from
the blessed tongue of Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam, right.
These are two terms.
So, you can't really say that, you know,
how can you use this term.
So, anyhow, this was just a bit of
background I wanted to share with you that
why I chose this topic, okay.
Now, like I said before, we do have
some things in terms of principles on this
topic to discuss with you.
There are some, what are those, what are
some of the principles, okay, which we can
agree and by the way, before I move
forward, let me say something very interesting and
please pay attention, okay.
When you converse with the Ahmadis, when we
discuss with the Ahmadis, as soon as conversation
is about the principles, they are finished and
when I'm saying Ahmadis, I meant by paid
Ahmadi clerics.
A common Ahmadi is always, we always distinguish
between these two groups.
A common Ahmadi who is a member of
Ahmadiyya community, we do not know, people are
different, you know, unless you talk to someone,
you don't really know that what this person
believes, why this person believes so, etc.
But when it comes to their paid official
Murabbis who are kind of, you know, following
a narrative, you talk to them, as soon
as they start conversation, they just immediately hook
to that narrative.
So, these people, these people, when you talk
to them and you want to have a
principle discussion, they will never agree, they will
never agree.
They want to discuss things without agreeing on
principles and if you want a proof, let
me give you a proof.
Once the stream is finished, go and check
this platform, the Dialogue with Imtiaz.
First video, the first video on this platform
I published, in that video, there was a
very short video, I can't remember but it
was definitely very short, maybe 30 minutes or
so.
In that video, I asked them principle questions.
For example, I said that what is your
methodology to interpret Quran?
What is it?
Because once we know your ideology, then we
can see that are you consistent to use
this methodology?
Likewise, what is your methodology to label a
hadith as authentic or unauthentic?
What is it?
And likewise, number three, what is your ideology
or what is your principle in terms of
establishing consensus?
What is it?
And up till today, they are discussing, they
were coming on the stream but they are
not responding to that video because these are
the principles and once we have those principles
in front of us and then we engage
in discussion in a very short amount of
time, we can see that who is being
consistent or otherwise.
So anyhow, this was just a bit of
background or just a bit of intro if
you want regarding to this topic.
So inshallah, before I move any further, let
me share with you a short video clip
which can give you some idea, at least
some idea that what I am talking about
is not something just in our mind.
This is something which really exists, okay?
So Ahmad bhai, first, if you want to
comment something, most welcome or if you want
to play the clip, bhai, most welcome.
The Ahmad bhai.
Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to everyone and Imtiaz bhai
again for a beautiful, beautiful introduction.
Inshallah, Imtiaz bhai, this video is actually very
special because it is about a guy who
actually started all this and if it all
started from a dream, then basically dreams are
pretty strong because a dream started the downfall
of this particular cult.
But inshallah, without any further ado, inshallah, I
will share the video and then we can
comment on it, inshallah.
I don't have time to read such nonsense.
So, if, if Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Ghadiyan
is the Mahdi and the Messiah, then I
want to see him.
That night, I saw Hadhrat Masih Ibn Islam
and Hadhrat Masih Ibn Islam said to me,
if, no, he said, Islam is Ahmadiyyat and
Ahmadiyyat is Islam.
There is no difference between them.
And he said to me, if ever you
are in doubt again, pray in this position.
And I saw Hadhrat Masih Ibn Islam falling
in Sajdah.
Then I woke up shaking.
So, Imtiaz bhai, the evidence that Ahmadiyyat is
Islam is coming from a dream.
So, SubhanAllah, what's your opinion about this?
Or do you want me to continue playing?
It's up to you, inshallah.
But our point is made, inshallah.
Yes, Ahmad bhai, Jazakallah Khair.
So, this was just played as one, and
by the way, those who don't know, this
person, Ibrahim Nunan, he's an Irish Imam and
a Murabbi, or maybe some other titles.
And this person is the one, as Ahmad
bhai already alluded, he's the one that when
he came to speaker's corner more than, I
think, 15-16 months ago.
And Adnan Rashid bhai and him, they had
an encounter and very interesting discussion.
And that discussion actually triggered the whole process,
which eventually is continued without any interruption for
more than one and a half years, almost
now.
Now, this person, Ibrahim Nunan is saying that
when he wanted to conclude that, you know,
this Ahmadiyyat is the true Islam, how he
concluded?
In his dream, he is having a vision
of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad telling him that Islam
is Ahmadiyyat and Ahmadiyyat is Islam.
And this vision somehow, you know, it put
him in such a deep spiritual emotional state
and it convinced him, right?
Now, before we move forward, if you are
an Ahmadi and listening right now, or will
be listening to this live stream in the
future, let me ask a simple question.
Those of you who are aware of the
Christian faith, so if there's one person who
is considered the most influential person in the
entire Christian religion after Jesus Christ, this person
is Paul the Apostle.
Okay.
Now, if you read about Paul, what you
come, what you will come to know is
that Paul came, Paul was initially, according to
the Christian literature, primarily the Bible, the Gospels,
Paul was initially an enemy of Christianity and
Christian faith and he was persecuting the followers
of Jesus.
And this person, when he was on a
road trip to Damascus, on this road trip,
he had a vision of Jesus in which
he saw Jesus and this vision became the
reason for Paul to convert to the Christian
faith.
And then afterwards, what he concludes from this
vision, that he has been appointed as an
apostle to the Gentiles by Jesus, who are
Gentiles, non-Jews.
And according to Islamic scholarship and according to
the founder of Ahmadiyya movement as well, i
.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, this person, Paul,
is single-handedly responsible to change the teachings
of Jesus.
For example, this belief of atonement, it primarily
goes back to Paul.
I'm not discussing Christianity here.
There's a reason I mentioned this point right
in the beginning.
Now, my question to you is, when Paul
the Apostle, when he had this vision on
the road to Damascus in which he saw
Jesus, was it really Prophet Isa A.S.
or Jesus?
Would you believe that his vision was true?
I'm asking to the Ahmadiyya clergy because your
founder is telling us that Paul is the
one who changed the religion of Jesus.
Now, my question to you is, Paul is
telling us about his dream, about his vision
and he is convinced that the figure he
saw in the vision was really Jesus Christ.
And this vision was a true vision and
this vision became the reason for his conversion.
I'm asking you, the Ahmadiyya clergy, would you
agree with Paul's vision?
If yes, then your whole argument is finished.
Why?
Because in this case, your founder is telling
us that Paul went against the teachings of
Jesus.
How can he had a true vision of
Jesus and then going against his teachings?
And if you say no, you don't agree
with the vision of Paul and you don't
believe that his vision was a true vision
and you say that you don't believe that
he really saw Jesus in his vision, then
my question is, how come that your visions
are true visions and if somebody else has
a vision, that's a false vision?
What is the standard?
I hope that those of you in the
Ahmadiyya clergy who are not gone to that
extent, that you're not even willing to use
your own reasoning because if vision can be
used, now this is the key point here,
if visions can be used in order to
label something as true or false, then you
have to believe that the vision of Paul
was a true vision as well and secondly,
don't trust me, just go on the google,
go in the youtube and just put in
the search bar that my vision led me
to Jesus and you will come across hundreds
of videos in which people are telling that
how they had a vision of Jesus, how
Jesus came in their dream and guided them
to the Christian faith.
Now, would you believe in their dreams as
well?
Are their dreams true?
I don't think that you'll believe in them,
right?
But the question is then, what is the
criterion?
What is the principle?
And for your surprise, I'm going to play
something right in the beginning, you will really,
let me just, before I say something else,
let me just send that to Ahmed Bhai
and Inshallah, Ahmed Bhai can play that one
and this video of Mirza Tahir Ahmed, their
fourth caliph and by the way, you will
see in this video something about the dream
and this something is being narrated from Mirza
Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani, right?
And it will give you the answer for
what I'm trying to say right now in
this part, okay?
So give me just one second, Ahmed Bhai,
if you want to say something, most welcome,
I'm sending you the clip now.
Inshallah, Bhai.
Yeah, so this is the thing for our
Muslim viewers, we should actually even point to
our understanding of dreams as well.
It's not that as Muslims, we completely dispel
dreams, but we don't take any evidence for
the dreams because there's a hadith of Prophet
Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, where he said, nothing
is left of nabuwa and that is also
a hadith that clearly clearly says that there's
no prophet after Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam,
where he said that nothing is left of
nabuwa, except for al-mubasharat.
And he was asked by the sahaba, what
are those?
And he said that these are some good
dreams from Allah Subh'anaHu Wa Ta-A
'la and what it means is that we
don't take anything from these dreams except for
when a person wakes up, he feels happy
that Allah Subh'anaHu Wa Ta-A'la
has shown him something that he's happy about,
but dreams are not evidence in Islam.
You cannot see something in a dream and
wake up and say, now I start this,
I add this in sharia, this is the
evidence of this person being true or that
person being true inshallah.
So I just wanted to introduce this hadith
because it's very relevant to our topic and
inshallah this is another hadith in the whole
list of hadiths that prove that Prophet Muhammad
Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam was the last prophet inshallah.
Ahmed bhai, actually this hadith is definitely very
relevant and we can definitely draw some benefit
from this and I really want to thank
you that you reminded me of something.
So now this is the hadith on the
screen right now, before we share with you
this clip of Mirza Tahir Ahmed, let's read
the hadith and I will request to common
Ahmadis, look I'm begging to you, I'm begging
to you, please remove your glasses and just
look at the hadith as an unbiased person,
okay and don't try to discredit everything with
that rhetoric, oh anti-Ahmadi is saying that,
look at the hadith of our beloved master
Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, look what he
said, I heard Allah's messenger Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam
saying, nothing is left of the prophetism or
the prophethood you can say because this prophetism
is a term or you can say this
is a technical term, you may not have
used, we don't use in our daily language
but you can say nothing is left of
the prophethood except Al-Mubasharat, there's only one
exception, so prophethood has ended but there is
one thing that is left, before I go
to that one thing, if prophethood has not
ended, what is the point of this hadith,
think about this, what Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam is actually telling us, let's continue because
I just want to focus on the relevant
part now, so prophet is telling us that
there's only one thing that is left and
that is Al-Mubasharat and what are they,
they ask, so the companions may Allah be
pleased with all of them, they ask what
are Al-Mubasharat, so the companions are asking
to Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam that oh
prophet of Allah, what are Al-Mubasharat, okay,
Mubasharat is basically the glad tidings or the
good news, okay, Ahmed bhai it's not big
enough so I can read, if you can
make it a bit bigger, yes Inshallah, just
give me a second, so
as you can see now, you see there
is nothing left from the Nabuwwah, from the
prophethood except one thing that is Mubasharat and
now the companion are asking that oh prophet
of Allah, what are Mubasharat, prophet said the
true good dreams, okay and it explains in
another hadith that a good dream either you
have that or somebody else have that for
you, so basically obviously you can have a
dream in that dream, you can vision about
someone else, right, now look at this one,
what brother Ahmed was saying before, please pay
attention, someone's dream cannot prove something or cannot
disprove something, someone's dream cannot add something into
our sharia and cannot take something away from
the sharia, you may be thinking why, very
simple reason, if we are going to add
things or take away things from our religion
on the basis of dreams, just think about
the chaos we'll create, number one and number
two, if you may be thinking then what
is the point of a dream, the dream
is for that person himself or herself, a
dream cannot prove or disprove if somebody is
a prophet of Allah or not, for example
if somebody claims to be a prophet today
and the followers are going to tell you
okay you can pray to Allah, show me
in a dream if this person is a
true prophet, you can't do that because this
is a matter of deen, it is going
to be decided on the basis of Quran
and sunnah, so dreams are something subjective, that's
the key point here, dreams are subjective, if
dreams can prove something, this is the last
statement and I beg to common Ahmadis, please
pay attention, if dreams can be used as
evidence to establish the truthfulness of something then
what about the dreams of Hindus, they have
dreams, go and check on the YouTube, put
in the Google, all religions be it Christians,
be it Hindus, be it other religions, their
people are coming and they are telling us
about their dreams and they are exactly precisely
making the same point and the point is
that I had this dream and this dream
convinced me that my religion is true religion,
but you as Ahmadi clergy, you will not
take their beliefs as a proof to establish
that their religion is a true religion, then
why is it, because you have to be
consistent, if their dreams cannot prove that their
religion is a true religion, same has to
apply here as well and that's all we
are saying, now Inshallah, let's move on and
now Ahmad bhai, let's play the clip of
Mirza Tahir Ahmad and let's see what he
says, Now,
why from the beginning, from the beginning?
Okay, because some people may not understand the
Urdu, I just want to give you the
translation as well, so this person in the
presence of the fourth caliph, he says that
now this person is quoting something about Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani, okay, he says that somebody said
to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani that Mirza sahib,
someone had a filthy dream, now take a
pause here, you know why he called it
a filthy dream, because this dream was disapproving
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, so right in the beginning,
look at the bias, so if a dream
is going to prove Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, that's
a good dream, but if a dream is
going to disprove Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, that's a
false dream, but you may be thinking it's
my own interpretation, let's Inshallah see that he
will confirm this, now before I move forward,
so this person says to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
that somebody has this quote-unquote filthy dream
and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in response to this,
he said that as ahadith are accepted and
rejected, likewise dreams are accepted and rejected, up
till now, you may be okay, there's some
criteria and then Mirza Ghulam Ahmad gives the
criteria and the criteria he gives is, if
a dream is approving Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, it's
a true dream and if a dream is
disapproving Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, it's a false dream,
I mean those common Ahmadis who are always
boasting that they are reasonable, rational people, think
about this, is it really a criterion, now
before I show to you the response of
Mirza Tahir Ahmad, in which he will basically,
he will endorse the same idea, but before
that, let's go back from the beginning and
watch this first part again, in which Mirza
Ghulam Ahmad is telling his follower that if
a dream approves of me, that's a right
dream, but if a dream is disapproves of
me, it's a false dream, so Ahmad Bhai,
please Inshallah, play the first part again, so
this was the first part, now please people,
you tell me, is it really a criterion,
how biased is that, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
is clearly giving you a principle that a
dream will never be accepted, if it does
not approve me, is it really a criterion,
now let's see that what Mirza Tahir Ahmad
says in response to that, is he going
to agree, obviously he will agree, but let's
see how he agrees, okay, so
notice one thing here, when this person quoted
all of that, Mirza Tahir did not realize
that, who is saying this, who is the
person giving this principle that a dream is
only acceptable, if it approves Mirza Ghulam Qadiani,
at this point, Mirza Tahir Ahmad, the fourth
caliph, he did not know, so he first
confirmed that who is the person saying this,
so now once he knew, once he knew
that this is something said by Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad and you can all understand now, that
now he has to defend it at every
cost, so
you see that, we can just go to
Tahir's response, that
if there is a dream that goes against
the Holy Prophet, or goes against the Holy
Qur'an, then it is not acceptable, similarly
in dreams, some people write bad things about
the Promised Messiah, on whom be peace, that
he has told us that this is a
lie, God forbid, so a dream that does
not conform to that, a dream that does
not conform to Ahlul Islam, is not acceptable.
Okay, now look at this one, my dear
people, look at this one, first of all,
this is the game they play, the question
and the point was about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Qadiani, so first of all, in order to
blind, please people, please listen very carefully, in
order to blind the minds of common Ahmadis,
in order to draw that veil in front
of their eyes, he first equated that with
Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, now obviously, please
think about this, this is called a psychological
trick, now for example, if any Muslim would
ever have a vision, in which something is
being said or shown, which is contrary to
the teachings of Qur'an and Sunnah, right,
now this dream has to be a false
dream, we all agree, right, now in the
case of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, first of all,
he gave this comparison, why, so the common
Ahmadi should immediately be coming in that mindset,
in that state of mind, where they are
thinking of Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam and
Nauzubillah of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani in the same
frame, that's the first trick he played, okay,
now then he says, then he gives example,
Mirza Tahir Ahmad gives example, that sometime people
are given this vision, in which they are
told that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is a
liar, he says that these dreams have to
be rejected, now I want you to take
a pause here, if you are going to
present, now this is my main contention, this
is my main contention, please listen very carefully,
if you are going to use and present
dreams as an evidence to prove or disprove
something, then how can you make this criterion,
that if the dream is going to approve
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, it's a true dream and
if our dream is going to disprove Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani, it's a false dream, how can
you make this criterion, because this is not
really a criterion, it is absolute subjective biased
opinion, so that is the main contention, as
long as you are willing to agree that
dreams are something subjective, they do not prove
something and they neither approve something or they
neither disprove something, as long as you agree
with this one, we have no problem, as
long as you are saying that dreams are
subjective, but the problem becomes or the problem
kicks in, when you are trying to use
dreams as an objective criterion to verify the
truthfulness of the claims of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani,
that's the problem begins, now we do have
some other clips as well, in which we
can show you something of the similar nature,
Inshallah, I will show you in a minute
from Mirza Masoor Ahmed, the current Caliph of
Ahmadiyya Jama'at, but before that, I just
want to share something for a common Ahmadi,
that if you have dreams of that nature,
then I want to show you at least,
because your Jama'at will never tell you
that there are other dreams as well, which
are shown to the people, in order to
guide them back to Islam, in order for
people to denounce Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and to
leave Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, now obviously these dreams,
you have never been shown, okay, once again,
let me say something in black and white,
we are not saying that the dreams I
am going to present now, which are going
to disprove Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, they are objective
criterion, no, we'll be consistent, we will be
consistent, dreams are subjective, they can serve some
purpose for that particular individual, they cannot be
used as an objective criterion to verify the
truthfulness of something, after this disclaimer, now I
want to share with you at least couple
of dreams, and I want you to please
think about these dreams as well, because if
those dreams exist, which you are listening day
in day out in your community, in your
gathering, what about these dreams, let me just
share my screen first, then Inshallah, you will
know what I mean here, okay, now look
at this one, Amir bhai, is it clear
enough to see, so basically, accountability
of the Qadian religion, this is a compilation
of the books written by Muslim scholars of
old school of thought, in order to rebut
Ahmadiyya ideology, so there are multiple volumes, in
every volume, they have compiled the work of
different scholars, now what I am going to
share with you, you can find this one
in the first volume of and this is
about Lal Hussain Akhtar, before that, let me
just show you something on the top as
a title, so basically, if you can see
the title, Lal Hussain Akhtar, Rahimahullah, and this
is the Jild 1 or Volume 1, now
let me show to you, that this person
had some dreams as well, okay, and these
dreams became the reason, these dreams became the
reason, for this person to investigate this religion,
and eventually to leave Mirza Ghulam Qadian's religion,
and to come back to Islam, I am
not saying you agree with us, but let's
read the dream together, okay, now, dreams, One
night, I had
a dream,
in that dream, I saw a big field,
and in that field, there are thousands of
people standing, and they are wandering, and they
are, you know, in a state of shock,
and they are, they are lost, and they
are worried as well, lost and worried, and
he says, I am also one of, one
of them, it says that, in that field,
on all the four sides, they are very
tall pillars, made up of iron, and from
the ground to the feet of Adam, there
is a string of iron, it says that,
these pillars of iron, they are covered with
that fence, you know, that, that nobody can
climb the pillars, basically, okay, so they are,
there's a big field, and around that field,
there are iron pillars, and the pillars are
covered, or wrapped up, in that kind of
fence, and it says, there is no way
for anyone to exit this field, and these
thousands of people, they are basically imprisoned in
this field, it says that, some of these
people, I can recognize from their faces, the
author says, that I asked some of these
people, that why are we imprisoned, why are
we here, because this is the mindset
of a common Ahmadi, so you can see
it happening here as well, it says that,
when I asked these people, that why are
we here, so I am replied back, that
because we are Ahmadis, so our opponents have
basically imprisoned us in this place, and then
the author says, that from that field, where
I am standing, at a bit of distance,
there's a bed, and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
is sleeping in that bed, he doesn't know
that he is trying to escape us, the
author says, that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, who
is just sleeping at a bit distance, is
he not aware of our situation, why is
he not trying to liberate us, this person
says, none of us has any tool, the
author says, that none of us have any
tool, which can be used to cut this
wire, or to have any kind of exit,
or to make any exit, to leave this
field, the author says, I started to wander
around, all the four sides of this fence,
the author says, that when I was observing
this entire fence, I noticed that at one
point, it is a bit loose, the
author says, that when I reached to that
point, where I could see that this wire
was, or the fence thing was a bit
loose, so I pressed that with my feet,
and I tried to make some room, in
order to exit this field, the author says,
that somehow I managed to make enough room
to leave that fence, now something interesting coming,
he says, that at a distance I could
see a bed, it says, in that bed,
was sleeping with having a blanket over him,
the author says, that I went close to
the bed, and I was very respectful, it
says, in the meantime, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
removed the blanket from his face, he says,
that I saw that the face of Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani was almost two feet long, now
I'm not reading this to hurt your emotions,
in the state of wudu, Allah is my
witness, I'm reading this just to give you
that there is other side of the dreams
as well, are you aware of those dreams
as well, that's the whole point, you don't
have to agree with me right now, it
says, that I saw that the face of
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani is like a pig, it
says, one of the eyes was absolutely visionless,
it was closed, and the other eye was
very tiny, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani said to this
author, who's having this vision, Mirza said to
him in this vision, that I'm in a
very pitiful state, it says, that when Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani spoke, there was a very intense
filthy smell, it says, that I was shivering
with this smell and with this ugly face,
he says, that I could not sleep anymore
and I woke up, this is one dream,
very quickly, let's look at another dream as
well, it says, another dream, because if you
read this book in the context, the author
is telling us, that it was these dreams,
which basically triggered the process of investigating Ahmadiyya
for me and I end up leaving Ahmadiyya,
okay now, the author
says, that one night, I had a dream
and I see in that dream, that there's
a person, who is walking almost 200, what
is the word for gaz, Ahmad bhai?
Sorry, a word for what?
Gaz, like meter and gaz, so what is
the word for gaz?
I think yard or one yard.
Okay, thank you, yes, so it says, that
in that vision, I saw, that a person
is walking almost 200 yards in front of
me, he says, I am walking behind him,
it says, there is something, there is something,
that one end of that thingy, okay, when
one end of that thing is tied, one
end of this thing is tied to my
back it says, that one end of that
thing is tied with the back of that
person in front of me and the other
end of that thing is tied to my
neck, so basically, the scene is, there's this
author, who had this vision, he is walking
behind someone and the person in front of
him, there's something, a rod kind of thing,
so one end of the rod is tied
to the back of the person in front
and the other end is tied to the
neck of this author and he says, that
we are walking from west to the east
During the journey, on the right side of
the road, I saw a very handsome man,
it says, that on this journey, well, when
we are walking, on the side, I saw
somebody very handsome, white color, medium height, bright
eyes, white turban, white long kurta, white shalwar,
so then he described, that this person was
clothed in white clothes, very handsome man, and
this handsome man, who was on the side,
this handsome man said to the author, that
where are you heading?
I replied, that the person in front of
me, is taking me, wherever taking me, okay,
I'm basically a blind follower this handsome man
said, do you know, who is this person
in front of you?
and where he's gonna end up you in?
I said, that I don't know who is
this person and I don't know either, where
he is taking me to the handsome man
said, the handsome man said, that this
person in front of you is Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Qadiani and he's heading into Jahannam and
he's taking you to the same place the
author said, that I replied back to the
handsome man, that it's impossible, that there can
be a human being, who is willfully walking
towards Jahannam or hellfire and trying to take
others as well with him, the handsome man
said, that if this is your argument, that
nobody can do this in the right state
of mind, then what do you think about
Musaylimah Al-Kazzab, i.e. the false claimant
of prophethood in the lifetime of Nabi Muhammad
Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam the
handsome man said, is it not true, that
Musaylimah Al-Kazzab, he made a false claim
to be a prophet and then he willfully
took the path of Jahannam, because the author
was making an argument, that how is it
possible, that somebody willfully with consent is misguided
as Adnan bhai says, a willful kafir, you
know anyhow, so when this argument was made
by the handsome man, what argument, that is
it not true, that Musaylimah Al-Kazzab, he
made a false claim of prophethood and then
he willfully took the path of Jahannam the
author said, when I was not able to
answer this argument, then the handsome man said
to me, look in front of you when
I looked in front of me, I could
see redness from the ground to the sky
the author says that, when handsome man appointed,
sorry, when handsome man pointed to the sky
and when I looked at the sky, it
was red, I said, I don't know, sorry,
the handsome man said, did you know what
is this, I said, no, I don't know,
then the handsome man replied, so
the handsome man said, that the path you
are working on, in this path, because you
are following somebody in front of you and
you are going to end up into Jahannam
and then the author says, the author says
that, when this handsome man said all of
this and then he disappeared, and he said,
I was still walking behind Mirza Ghulam Qadiani
in this dream we were getting close to
this red thing, which was told to me
as Jahannam it says that, now I could
feel the heat it
says that, this handsome man appeared again and
this handsome man striked that thing, which was
tiding me with Mirza Ghulam, you remember in
the beginning, there was a thing, so one
end of that thing was tied to the
back of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and the other
end was tied to his neck, he said
that the handsome man appeared again, he struck
that thing and in this way he cut
off that thing, so basically I was free
from that kind of thing, which was dragging
me on that path and I was free
and I woke up, now after that you
can see the next book of starting, but
these two dreams of Lal Hussain Akhtar, Rahimahullah
he said that, these two dreams became the
main reason for me not to leave Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani but at least to start my
research and then he researched about this religion
and he left Ahmadiyyat or Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's
ideology, he came back to Islam and then
he became one of the main apologists or
one of the main debaters of his time
from Muslim side to debate to the Ahmadis,
to the point that Ahmadiyya Jamaat and their
Caliph, they officially issued an announcement in which
they said that no one should engage with
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, no one should engage with
Lal Hussain Akhtar in their debates, hello is
it not true that same thing is being
repeated, can you really convince yourself that these
Ahmadi clerics all in a sudden they all
disappeared for no reason, no this is one
of the old tactic of the Jamaat, when
somebody comes appears on the scene initially they
will engage in discussions dialogues and debates but
as soon as they realize that they are
actually creating more mess and it's not going
in their favor, why because the other person
knows about Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and his ideology
then they would immediately start retreating and withdrawing
from the discussion and then they will completely
disappear and guess what, this had always been
the pattern, this happened in the case of
this person Lal Hussain Akhtar Rahimahullah and same
thing happened in the case of our beloved
Adnan Rashid bhai and same thing has happened
in the past in many other cases so
anyhow this was this is not the point,
the point is the dreams, I'm asking the
common Ahmadis, these are the dreams which are
guiding this person to come back to Islam
and to leave Ahmadiyyat and you have already
seen in that video they are telling you
that don't trust these dreams, why why is
it that your dreams are trustworthy and the
dreams of other people are not, why is
that so inshallah we still have a lot
to cover so let me end this here
and I will take if brother Ahmad wants
to add something, Zia Ahmad bhai.
Yeah you very cleverly took yourself out as
the handsome man but we do consider you
that handsome man inshallah, the one in the
dream and this the second dream subhanallah is
to be honest I saw this reference for
the first time but it's very close to
our heart because we when we are discussing
with the people on twitter or social media
engaging with this layman Ahmadis, this is the
feeling we have to be honest, we actually
do see that you guys are tied to
this person who's taking you to hellfire and
we are trying to cut that cord and
inshallah this whole effort and the whole dawah
is to cut that cord inshallah just just
take that leap of faith and and for
a second step outside your your circle and
look at the evidence we're not saying to
just accept what you're saying whatever we are
saying but inshallah there's no harm to actually
look into the evidence and start looking at
the evidence rather than taking something subjective as
dreams and stuff of that sort which can
be actually engineered there are popular cults which
are known to to engineer dreams if like
they talk to you and make you and
say certain thing to make a c-specific
dream so inshallah this is this is a
very like this reference was very powerful in
that regard is that the string needs to
be broken inshallah before you die before you
reach that red horizon stop yourself before you
reach that red horizon because mirza is already
there wallahi wallahi none of us muslim want
you to reach that horizon subhanallah so ahmad
by inshallah too i would say that maybe
you can share the link in the in
the chat and at the same time i
have sent you a video we can play
the video as well and by the way
ahmad bhai if brother umar if he wants
to come at any point to you know
to add something or to comment please invite
him as well and i have just sent
you an other video and i'm just make
it a bit bit bit bigger because it
was too small last time so so people
can see you know a little bit of
face as well because i'll make it slightly
bigger i just made it due to the
strike i understand yeah for the for our
brothers who's listening umar mashallah is with us
but his internet connection is slightly weak so
subhanallah uh like uh he he's the he's
the guy i'm just his assistant but today
assistant is sitting here inshallah uh whenever umar
wants to come he he'll just let me
know and inshallah you're gonna hear from him
but we're just uh uh right now we
are just a bit of our hands are
tied because of his internet and uh i'm
just gonna pull this uh just me two
minutes inshallah yeah and ahmad bhai inshallah while
you are pulling this those who are watching
i'm going to share with you a very
i don't know that if interesting is the
right word because you will not find it
much interesting it will actually be very disgusting
but inshallah i will i'm going to share
you with you a dream of because you
know this dream thing is too much in
so i'm going to share with you a
dream of mirza basheeruddin mahmud ahmad and you
all know he's the muslim he is the
second caliph of ahmadiyya jamaat inshallah after this
video i'm gonna share his dream as well
and then i let you decide obviously he
had a dream and then he tried to
give it some meaning okay we'll present you
with a dream and then we'll let you
think that you know what meaning you can
give to this dream okay before that let's
inshallah watch what mirza masroor ahmad the current
caliph is telling us about the dream and
when you are watching this one because there
are many such clips by the way but
i just want to actually share some thoughts
because look the main thing is what i
said already dreams are something subjective don't use
them as an objective criterion to tell people
that these dreams are the proof that mirza
ghulam ahmad qadiani was a true messiah don't
use them they are subjective that's
the whole point so yeah that's that's good
i i am but that's good inshallah it
means that i can stop from my side
it's good inshallah now i will explain bit
by bit so for those of you who
don't understand urdu because i know that some
people are from other background now this sister
or this lady is saying that oh caliph
we ahmadis we place our trust in dreams
and then she will say something further and
then she says she she first said that
look we ahmadis we place a lot a
lot of trust in the dreams but then
she raised a very logical question that how
can we how can we be sure that
if this dream is true or if this
dream is really giving me some message what
is the principle what is the criterion right
let's watch he said that who has told
you this that you can trust every dream
and then he said i don't trust every
dream now you may be thinking okay then
which dream when the the moment you are
thinking that which dream should i trust immediately
recall what mirza tahir ahmad said and what
mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani said that for an
ahmadi if a dream is in line approving
mirza ghulam qadiani take it trust the dream
but if a dream is otherwise like i
gave you two examples of the dreams of
he says forget about this dream and you
may be thinking that it's my interpretation let's
watch he says that half half half of
the dreams are just our own desires he
said that this is the very reason i'm
asking you this question that how to trust
or not trust our dreams i'm
not going to comment on these light things
here and there just continue hmm
now comes to the point so inshallah because
like i said before the previous couple of
things he said they were just on a
light note we don't need to spend time
on that but now let's see inshallah now
the lady is saying something interesting let's inshallah
watch this bit now can you say something
about a prophet or mecca or kaaba that
is a good thing, it is a good
dream but in mecca or kaaba you should
see how you have been seen if you
see there i mean my personal experience my
personal experience ok if you see a dream
that has a meaning that makes sense then
ok that is a good thing Because, if
I tell you, like they call the Ka
'bah a Haram, I saw it in a
dream and it was written that if you
look at the Haram, there is no religion
or any type of honour in it.
Okay, it is a good thing to look
at the Ka'bah, if it is a
true dream, then it is a good thing.
Okay?
Yes.
So, some dreams are good, look at the
Ka'bah or look at a prophet, they
should have a true meaning.
But look at this, the prophet is saying
to you, like some non-Ahmadis say, we
saw, the Holy Prophet said that Hazrat Mirza
Ghulam Ahmad Sahib is not true.
These are false dreams.
This is the key point I wanted to
show to you, that all of them are
making the same one point.
Did you really listen to what he said?
He said that some of the non-Ahmadis,
they tell us about their dreams, that in
their dream, they have seen Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu
Alaihi Wasallam telling them that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani
was a liar.
And then Mirza Masoor Ahmad said that these
dreams are false, these are lies.
Take a pause here, take a pause here.
If a prophet or Mirza Ghulam Qadiani or
according to your claim, Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam coming to the dream of an Ahmadi
or coming to someone's dream, telling him or
her that Ahmadiyyat is true.
You would say, oh, this dream is a
true dream.
It is from Allah, right?
And he's saying that even if somebody is
telling you a dream, that in my dream,
I saw Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam telling
me that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is a
liar.
Mirza Masoor Ahmad is saying, don't trust this
dream.
It's a false dream.
Take a pause here.
Remove your glasses.
Be unbiased.
Now, let me tell you something very interesting.
We have hadith in which it is mentioned
that Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said, if
someone has seen me in his dream, it
is true that he has seen me because
shaitan cannot appear in my form.
Now, with regard to this hadith, our ulema,
our scholars, they have given us a principle.
And the principle is they said that, look,
this can apply primarily to the companions, the
sahaba, because they are the ones who have
seen Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam in reality.
So when they will see in vision, they
are sure it is him, right?
For somebody who is not a companion, who
has not seen Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam
like sahaba in reality, this person does not
know because it could be shaitan may be
coming and lying to you that I am
your prophet.
Shaitan definitely cannot assume the form of Nabi
Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
That's true.
But shaitan can lie.
He can be lying to you that I
am your prophet.
Now, why I said this?
Why I said this?
The reason I said this, if one of,
according to you, non-Ahmadi, i.e. Muslim,
if a Muslim makes such claim who is
not a companion, we will not take his
statement as a hujjah, as a binding statement.
Why?
Because he is not a companion.
Now, but why is it you as non
-Ahmadis, sorry, you as Ahmadis, you have also
not seen Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
So either you as Ahmadis or we as
Muslims, we are both in the same bucket,
on the same boat.
None of us can make any claim on
the basis of that.
But what I'm trying to point out is
that Mirza Masroor Ahmad is telling his community,
and this is something I really want you
to take home from this live stream.
Please pay attention, O Ahmadis.
Mirza Masroor Ahmad is telling his community, and
I will, inshallah, replay it in a minute,
that even if Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam
comes in your dream and says to you
that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a liar, you
still cannot trust that dream.
Now my question is, then why are you
talking about the dream anyways?
Then why is it that the day in,
day out, you are putting the videos on
your official platform in which somebody from a
Sikh background, somebody from a Hindu or Christian
background, telling us, oh, I had a dream,
and that dream, I was told in a
dream that become Ahmadi.
Why is it?
Because even if, according to you, even if
Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam comes in the
dream, even still you cannot take his words
if he says Mirza was a liar.
Then what is the point?
I am asking you, what is the point
of dreams?
It means that dreams are not any criterion.
Let me repeat this, okay?
So you can really see what I am
saying here.
Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is saying that,
like some non-Ahmadis say, we saw that
Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said,
that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is
not true, that he has false dreams.
You see?
Then what is the point?
Then how can we use a dream?
Because even if such dreams can be a
lie, then I don't know how you use
a dream as a criterion.
He says that all of these dreams are
fabricated.
Some are fabricated, but if it is a
true dream, then does it mean that the
whole meaning of a dream, the whole scene,
is also made up of these dreams?
It means that this is the point, this
is the very point I am trying to
highlight again and again, that it is your
dream versus my dream.
Your dreams are necessarily false dreams, and my
dreams are by default the true dreams.
Is it really a criterion?
And sometimes the names that are seen in
dreams, they also have certain meanings.
But those who have a habit of seeing
dreams, more than half of their dreams are
dreams.
As it is, the psychologists, the psychiatrists say,
or rather those who know, that every human
being has normal dreams.
So anyhow, then he goes, he says that,
you know, if you are too much into
having these dreams, then most of your dreams
are not true.
So the point is, if this is the
principle, that dreams do not have any place
in terms of affirming or disapproving the truth,
then what is the point of dreams?
Then why the Ahmadiyya community is so obsessed
with the dreams?
And if dreams have any role to play,
if dreams can prove anything, then on what
basis you can just cancel all the dreams
of quote-unquote non-Ahmadis, okay?
Now, before I move further, I just want
to share one more video.
Give me one second.
Ahmad Bhai, if you want to add something,
you are more than welcome.
I'll just send you one more video.
Inshallah.
So I just wanted to point out something
that I realized during my research for today,
is that, like you said, these cultures are
completely, completely infatuated, and they're completely into dreams.
If you just type Ahmadiyyat dream, you'll get
hundreds of videos on YouTube.
So they're completely obsessed about dreams for some
reason, most probably because, like Imtiaz Bhai said,
once you don't have evidences, then you resort
to evidence in a dream.
And truly, the only evidence you have is
the evidence in a dream, inshallah.
So just give me one minute, Imtiaz Bhai,
to pull this.
Okay.
Dear Huzoor, my name is...
Now, basically, let me tell you first why
I'm showing you this clip now, the one
which is on the screen right now.
Look, if dreams are so important, then I
want you to think about one question.
Is it not true that if somebody is
going to assume the position of the Ahmadiyya
Caliph or the Ahmadiyya leader, okay?
Now, this is something very important.
And the question is, should this person not
have a dream?
Because if there can be dreams for trivial
matters, for something very small, what about this
huge, big, gigantic matter, which is the Khilafah,
okay?
Let's see what the Caliph is saying about
this, quote-unquote, gigantic matter of Khilafah, okay?
Now, let's see what he says.
My name is Sabiha Jamal.
Beloved Huzoor, my name is Sabiha Jamal.
My question is, when you were about to
leave for the Khilafat, did you have any
dreams about Khilafat before that?
No, I did not have any dreams, neither
before nor after.
Do you understand?
Yes, people had seen it.
Those who had not used the right to
vote, they had seen dreams.
Therefore, either Allah the Almighty had already placed
some people in their hearts and they had
not seen dreams, or Allah the Almighty had
placed some people in their hearts on that
occasion, but I had not seen any dreams,
okay?
And I could never have imagined that I
would reach this position.
Anyhow, the reason I am showing you this,
he is saying that I have not seen
any dream either before becoming the Caliph or
after becoming the Caliph of Jamaat Ahmadiyya.
Now, the point is, you are telling us
about the importance of dreams.
I want you to think about this.
If dreams are so important, if dreams are
the source for you, to guiding you to
what is the right decision or what is
the right thing to do, why is it
not that your Caliph is not having any
dream?
Why?
Because this was something very important.
And he is saying that he did not
have any dream either before or after.
Then how Allah guided him about this issue
of Khilafah?
Think about this, because I am not saying
that it is a principle in your religion
that there should be a dream for every...
I am not saying that.
All I am saying is, that if dreams
are important, if dreams are a source for
guiding someone to the right decision, then how
would you not agree that your Caliph must
have a dream about this issue of Khilafah?
He said, I did not have any dream.
Then why are dreams important anyway?
So, anyhow, Ahmed Bhai, I have sent you
something because...
I was just...
Let me just...
Because no one else is here.
So, I have to mute myself.
Meanwhile, what we can do is a fun
exercise, I think.
So, all our viewers, Muslims and Ahmadis, they
are welcome to send us an email if
you are seeing a dream regarding Qadianism or
Ahmadiyyat, whether it is true or false.
Let us all poll and see how many
people have seen a dream regarding Ahmadiyyat being
true and how many have done it regarding
Ahmadiyyat being false.
SubhanAllah, because this is how we are going
to settle this, I think.
So, because in the arena of evidences, the
Qadianism, the Ahmadiyyat, and their Murabbis have been
completely knocked out by Imtiaz and Ahmed Bhai.
So, actually, we are out of evidences from
their front.
So, let us now settle it on dreams.
SubhanAllah.
Ahmed Bhai, I have sent you a video.
If you can play that video from six
minutes onward.
Yes, from six minutes, please.
And just make it a bit slow.
Maybe 0.75. While doing this,
during my education, I started to think more
about this.
So, during that time, I also had some
dreams.
In my dreams, I saw light.
And there were many other dreams like this.
I heard the word Qahaf many times in
my dreams.
When I got to know the meaning of
it, it was that there is a big
change in your life if you read the
incident of Saba Qahaf.
And apart from this, there were two or
three other dreams like this, which clearly had
a sign from Allah that I am going
in the right direction.
So, this...
Now, those who don't understand Urdu, this sister,
it's a complete video on the YouTube.
You can access this video on...
There's a YouTube channel called KTV.
Khatme Nabuwat TV.
And on that one, there are many videos
of those ex-Ahmadis whom Allah guided to
the fold of Islam.
This sister is one of those, mashallah, blessed
people whom Allah guided to the fold of
Islam.
And you can clearly see, she's telling you
that during her research, during her journey, she
had a lot of visions, dreams.
And she was shown light.
She was shown the world, Qahaf or cave.
And she said that she had many other
dreams and the meanings of those dreams were
very clear to me that I am heading
on the right path.
Now, again, I am not saying that her
dreams are an objective criterion.
No, I'm not saying that.
But I'm appealing to your conscience that when
this sister is having all of these dreams
and these dreams are leading her to leave
Ahmadiyyat, for you, they are not the proof
that Ahmadiyyat is a false vision.
But on the contrary, when somebody is having
a dream and in that dream, he is
guided towards Ahmadiyyat, those dreams are true dreams.
What is the criterion?
If you want to use dreams, then be
consistent.
Then these dreams are equally important.
These dreams are equally the proof that the
Ahmadiyya ideology is false.
So, by the way, if you just go
on the YouTube and you watch these stories
of those people who left Ahmadiyyat, you will
be surprised.
That in many cases, they were dreams.
Allah guided them in their dreams, through dreams.
And those dreams became the reason.
So, this is all I'm trying to point
out.
And like I said earlier, there's a very
interesting dream of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, which,
inshallah, we will read together in a minute.
But please think about this.
Think about this and revisit this mindset, this
frame of work in which you are giving
too much importance to the dreams.
To the point, some of you already know
that one Ahmadi activist, he's not a murabbi,
we know that, but he's very active for
many, many years, Azeem Bhatt, the one I
debated on the issue of Khatm-un-Nabuwah.
He has appeared a couple of times on
the TikTok broad, and he said to me,
he said, look, let's settle the matter through
dreams.
He said that if you will bring one
dream to disprove Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, I will
bring five dreams.
And I asked him the same question.
I said, look, if one dream is telling
you Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a liar, and
one dream is telling you Mirza Ghulam Qadiani
was truthful, which one to trust?
And if you say, trust the one which
says he was truthful, then that's not a
criterion.
That's all I'm trying to emphasize and point
out again and again and again, that consider
the dreams of this sister as well.
If dreams have any role to play for
you to know the truth.
Ahmed bhai, if you want to say something,
then Inshallah, I'm going to bring those dreams
of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood.
Yes, SubhanAllah.
This has been extremely, extremely interesting.
And SubhanAllah, you see that, like for me,
the way it is set up is that
the Qadiani's idea on dreams is that if
it's ours, our dreams are true.
By default, and then all the dreams that
go against our understanding are false.
But we will still use dreams as criterion
for truth and false.
I don't know how it works.
Like every single thing about the religion, this
is like complete baffling.
Inshallah.
One thing I want to say, this is
usually what Umar bhai always comes and says,
Inshallah, brothers, keep the chat nice and clean.
SubhanAllah, like Imtiaz bhai, our platform is for
respectful discussions with Ahmadiyyat.
And we are giving them da'wah.
So Inshallah, we'll keep it clean.
I know there are Qadianis who just come
and abuse and start these discussions.
But Inshallah, just stay put.
Every time we see something that doesn't meet
our standards, we just delete it or hide
it, Inshallah.
So do not engage with them.
Do not waste your time, Inshallah, and keep
the chats very, very clean.
JazakAllah khairan.
Okay, Inshallah.
Ahmad bhai, let me share my screen.
And we read together one of the dreams
of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad.
So basically, first of all, let me give
you the reference.
This is Al-Fazl, which is the official
organ of the Jama'at.
1st of May, 1948.
It is nearly one year after the birth
of Pakistan.
Okay, now, there are many things here, but
I just want to save your time.
Let's go to the dream straight away.
Okay.
I saw, who is this I?
Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, Musleh Maud, or the
second caliph.
Okay.
He said that, I saw myself in a
vision that I am in Qadian.
He says that I am in that same
toilet in which Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani used
to relieve himself.
And it has that same seat made up
of wood as it used to be in
the time of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
And you know, back in the days, obviously,
they did not have these modern toilets.
So there's a seat, and underneath that seat,
there's a pot in which people relieve themselves.
He says this is the scene.
Look, I know I'm being very, you know,
graphic here in this translation, but I have
to, because this has some relevance in the
dream as well.
Anyhow, let's move on.
Okay.
Now, please have this vision in your mind,
or this image in your mind, that is
a toilet.
And in that toilet, Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad
is sitting on that toilet seat.
He says that I am as though as
I am relieving myself.
Now, I don't know.
Look, either you are relieving yourself or you
are not.
What do you mean that as though as
I'm relieving myself?
Anyhow.
It says that I have very loose motion.
Okay.
And then this loose motion spread.
Okay.
And some of it basically fell on the
seat, on the toilet seat as well.
Now, when I started to clean myself, I
felt as if I am tilted.
So, I felt as if I am tilted.
As though as I'm about to fall off
the seat.
It says that when I was tilted and
I was about to fall, in that moment,
some of that, you know, what I spread
around, some of that just, you know, stick,
some of them just, you know, went on
my, on my pant as well.
Okay.
So, there's a, what he's doing there, the
loose motion, it's all over the place.
And then some of it is on his
pant as well.
It says that when I, when I try
to basically, you know, control myself in terms
of when I try to balance myself, I
tilted towards the other side.
Basically, now, in the long story short, those
who understand Urdu, you know, what's happening here,
okay.
There's a loose motion which is spread around,
which is on the toilet seat as well.
And now, this loose motion is basically on
the pant of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood.
Okay.
Now, It says that then I started to
clean all of that with the water.
And I was, I was concerned that there
may not be enough water, so that I
can clean my pant as well.
Because don't forget that now there is, the
whole thing is just on his pant as
well.
And he said that I purified myself.
Don't forget, all of this is happening on
that toilet seat.
Don't forget this main part.
He says that I started to make ablution
in that same place.
Okay.
Now, all of this is happening on that
same toilet seat.
Okay.
He said that on that same toilet seat,
I cleaned myself.
I made ablution or wudu.
And I started to pray.
And instead of facing to the Qibla, I
was facing the other side.
And it is not my opinion, Inshallah.
I'll show you in a minute that the
Qibla was in the opposite direction.
Anyways, okay.
Now, he's giving the
all the, you know, the dimensions that where
this toilet was, and in which direction their
mosque was, etc.
And then it says that in the mosque,
Okay.
First, he gives us the direction that, you
know, where is the toilet, and which direction
is the mosque, etc.
And then he says, He says there are
few rooms in between the mosque and the
toilet.
And this toilet is about, you know, 30
plus yards in the direction of, what is
north, south, in the south.
Now, I want you to imagine this scene.
All of this is happening in the toilet.
And he is, in the entire, you know,
this drama, he's on the toilet seat.
And now, somehow, there are three people in
that same toilet as well.
And one is standing on his right, and
two standing on his left.
It says that, I feel like, on the
right side, somebody is without any, you know,
basically a clean shave person.
And on the left side, there was one
person like Mian Ghulam Muhammad Akhtar, one of
their guys.
And with them, there is a young man
without a beard and a moustache.
Because he said that, on the right, there
was one person.
On the left, there were two people.
And one on each side was clean shaved.
Now, somehow, Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood is actually praying
on that toilet seat, with all of that
filth, which you have already seen in the
previous line.
And then, they are having this congregational Jamaat
in that toilet.
I don't know how, but that's what he
said.
He said that, I was really concerned, and
I was really wondering, that where I would
make my prostration.
He said that, on the toilet seat, there
is filth, there is shit on the toilet
seat.
And I was thinking that, how am I
going to make my prostration here?
And where my followers are standing, that place
is basically not the purified place.
It's basically a place of urine and the
toilet thing, basically.
It says that, the person on the right,
even though he's also on a toilet seat,
but once again, it's also part of the
same toilet.
He said that, in all of this state,
I looked at my feet.
He said that, I was surprised that all
in a sudden, this toilet seat has converted
into something on which you can pray.
And somehow, it's very clean.
He said that, likewise, the spot on which
the other people are standing next to me,
it's also clean, and there's no shit or
filth on that.
He said that, I continued my prayer.
It says that, when I bowed down in
my ruku, and when I got up from
my bowing down position, I felt that as
though there is some sort of whispering, which
made me realize that, in the Masjid Mubarak,
which is the mosque in their Qadian, people
are praying as well, and they are also
praying in congregation.
So, there are two scenes.
There is one prayer happening in their Masjid,
and there's one prayer happening here in the
toilet.
Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood and three people with him,
they are praying in the toilet, and the
rest are praying basically in the Masjid.
And then it says that, This is what
I said in the beginning, that he was
facing the wrong direction.
The people in the Masjid are facing the
Qibla.
They are facing towards the Qibla, which is
in the west, not in the east.
And then he says that, we continued the
prayer, etc.
Now, let's move on.
He says, He says, I can't remember if
I completed my prayer or I just woke
up in the middle of my prayer.
It says that, when I woke up, I
was surprised.
What is it?
It says, I was facing towards the east,
which is the wrong direction.
Now, the main thing.
It says that, why was I praying in
the toilet?
Because there was a mosque nearby.
And then he gives the meaning.
It says that, toilet.
Now, again, at this point, I am not
going into pointing out how he was fabricating
things in terms of interpretation of the dream.
He says that, toilet in the Arabic is
called Baraz.
We have brother Umar with us.
You don't need to trust me or any
one of us.
Go and do your own research.
Basically saying that, the world for toilet and
the world for fighting.
It says these are the same world.
Baraz is used for the toilet and Baraz
is used for the fighting.
So basically, he's trying to give this interpretation
that the interpretation of the toilet is the
fight.
I don't want to go into these details,
but let's just see if there's something else.
And then basically, he gave the interpretation that
all of this was basically a scene of
a fight.
A fight between Ahmadis and non-Ahmadis.
And eventually, they will come as victorious, etc.
I will come to that point.
I just want to show you one point
here.
Look at this one.
When he is interpreting the dream, he says
the following as well.
Basically, you can say the gist of his
dream is how he linked all of that.
You can read for yourself.
There is no way to link in a
logical sense that how you link such a
disgusting dream with all of this interpretation.
But that's not our subject right now.
I just want to give you one thing
from his interpretation that can tell you that
he was wrong.
He said that we'll keep progressing until a
point will come when we will take over
Qadian.
Don't forget, this was 1948.
Okay, now partition has happened.
And he is telling his followers that one
of the interpretation or one thing in the
interpretation of the dream is that they are
going to take over Qadian again.
I want you just to do a bit
of research.
That what is the condition of this Jamaat
in Qadian right now.
Go and do your research.
And do your research on this topic as
well.
That how likely is that that they are
going to be the custodian quote unquote custodian
of Qadian again.
Go and read all of that.
Just go and look at the number of
their Jamaat in Qadian.
But leave all of that aside.
Now, obviously, your Khalif is giving you one
interpretation.
The dream you have already seen in this
page.
If you were the one who had this
dream, would you ever be able to think
that this dream is telling you that Ahmadiyyat
is the true religion and it's going to
spread.
Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, in all of
this shit and filth, praying in the wrong
direction, praying in the toilet, praying with a
handful of people, I'm just pointing to a
few things.
Please think about this.
What is the interpretation of all of this
filth in which he is just covered?
It's not.
I'm just making it up.
You have seen already.
My dear Kamal Ahmadi, you have seen already
that your Khalif is stuck in this filth,
praying in the wrong direction.
Despite the mosque is nearby, he is not
in the mosque, he is not with the
congregation.
He is with a handful of just three
people with him.
So now think about this.
Obviously, I'm not saying anything.
It's just what is given to us as
information, as data.
Let's try to understand this.
Let's try to give another interpretation to this
dream.
That on the one hand, you have the
Muslim congregation, the Muslim Ummah, praying in the
right direction, praying in the mosque.
On the other hand, you have the Ahmadi
or Qadiani Khalif, praying in the wrong direction,
praying in that shit and filth.
This is in the dream.
If this dream, if this information is giving
you the confidence that Ahmadiyya ideology is the
right one, go for it.
But if this dream, and by the way,
this is not something you can say, you
know, as allegation on the Jamaat.
This is something mentioned by them.
They themselves are telling us that this is
the dream they had.
And, and look at this one.
Did they get or have they ever been
able to take Qadian back?
Think about this.
Why he was saying all of that?
I leave it with you.
A lot can be said.
Let's inshallah end the discussion here.
And I would love to listen from Ahmad
that from this entrusting dream, what he learned.
SubhanAllah.
So I've got a very simple interpretation of
this.
SubhanAllah.
When we always hear that and also happened
to us when we were kids, when you're
dreaming that you're in the washroom as a
kid, what usually is happening is you're wetting
the bed.
Usually that is the case.
But SubhanAllah, this is also a very interesting
reference for me in a way that you
see what the quality of writing he was
producing and the dream he was producing of,
of feces and dirt and, and, and something
completely, you know, that is unnatural against our
fitrah, right.
And, and, and also all over, all, all
over himself and then using such filth and
turning it around and trying to make it
as the delil for an, as an evidence
for his truth.
This is exactly what Qadianism is.
This is exactly what the murabbis do all
the time.
They take the filth of Mirza, the writings
of Mirza, the abuses of Mirza, the things
that he has said to the, to the
prophets, the things that he has said to
Maryam Alayhi Salaam, that is absolute filth.
That is exactly what he saw in the
dream.
It's absolute filth.
And then they turn around and try to
make it as evidence for the religion and
try to push it down our throat saying
that this is, this is what the evidence
for, for our case is.
So this dream, because they like metaphors, right?
So metaphorically, this dream exactly, exactly shows that
what their methodology is.
Their methodology is taking something that is absolutely
filthy.
Uh, like, like a brother in the comments
said, I had just started eating and this
started swallowing.
So this is something absolutely, absolutely filthy.
And they're going to just turn around and
try to make it and see the audacity.
One thing that really, really, really surprises me
is the audacity of these people, right?
He saw, he might've seen this dream.
We're not contesting that.
He could have just left it out because
Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said that once
you see a dream that is bad, and
this is clearly not bad.
It is like, there's no, beyond a shadow
of a doubt, this is a bad dream.
Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said, spit on
your left side and do not narrate this
dream to anyone because it's from shaitan.
But you taking this and then publicizing it,
all this filth, and then trying to make
it as some sort of a weird evidence
for, and this is what we also want,
like Imtiaz Bhai said, we also want the
Lehman Ahmadi people to see.
See, this is the evidence they present.
And this is then how they twist and
turn, uh, and make it to, to seem
like that they have some sort of defense,
right?
So just think about this.
Would you ever, like Imtiaz Bhai said, would
you ever in your right mind, see something
so filthy and at the end of the
day, take out of it that they're going
to take over Qadian or it is about
fighting, sitting on the washroom, uh, with probable
diarrhea.
How does that equate to fighting?
SubhanAllah.
And how wasn't jihad banned by Mirza anyway?
SubhanAllah.
This is like, you know, unfathomable.
SubhanAllah.
I don't know what else can be.
This is like Clara's day, what it is.
And I apologize.
We have to present this kind of evidence
because, like, I know it's unfathomable and it's
filthy to when we Muslims hear all this,
but SubhanAllah, this is the price we have
to pay for da'wah to these people,
InshaAllah.
Ahmed Ben, InshaAllah, if you want to bring
somebody, uh, most welcome.
Uh, Mubasheruddin Furqan Bhai, you're online.
Yeah.
Assalamu Alaikum, Imtiaz Bhai.
Can you hear me?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just had a question in regards to
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani's death.
This Qadiani defend something else and there's something
written.
Can you please clarify in that regard?
How exactly was his death?
I mean, how did he die and where
did he die?
Brother, I look, I don't want to discuss
that topic.
I would, I would appreciate InshaAllah that if
you just respect our decision, I don't want
to discuss that.
No, understandable.
Fine.
If something else you want to ask, you're
the most welcome.
No, no, Imtiaz Bhai.
No worries.
JazakAllah Khairun, Brother Mubasheruddin.
And SubhanAllah, this is, I think what Imtiaz
Bhai has also touched upon before.
SubhanAllah, we have such a strong theological case
against this.
And there are like, there are a million
other problems with the cult and there are
a million other problems in terms of the
personalities of the people attached to this cult.
But our reason, our Da'wah is not
to tear down the Ahmadis or push them
away.
Our Da'wah is to call them and
present the evidences that would bring them to
Islam rather than get into this, these things.
And then the Murabbis are just going to
use as soundbites.
And they have been, they just keep implanting
this into their laymen that Maulvis do this
and Maulvis say this.
Like Imtiaz Bhai said earlier also, they say
we use bad language and nobody on this
platform has ever used bad language at all.
And I've never, like, never been disrespectful.
It is also against our belief totally.
And we have to control our emotions.
SubhanAllah, it takes a lot of effort to
control our emotions.
But we do it, why?
Is to bring the laymen, Ahmadis back to
Islam, InshaAllah.
And if anybody converts, that is our main
purpose.
So InshaAllah we stick to the theological topics.
And you have seen in the past one
year that without touching any of those personal
attacks or personal mistakes are the shortcomings of
their leaders.
We have dismantled, Alhamdulillah, Adnan Bhai and Imtiaz
Bhai have dismantled the whole Jamaat.
And they're, like, on the run right now
using just the writings of Mirza and their
theological writings and stuff like that.
InshaAllah we have another brother, our brother Muhammad.
Can you verify yourself so I can take
you on the stage, please?
InshaAllah while we are waiting for the brother
to verify Imtiaz Bhai, do you have something
else to share with us?
I was actually looking for another video clip
just to, you know, because we are discussing,
we can't just come back to this topic,
maybe at least in the near future.
So unless they have some rebuttal and they
want to confront this information or they want
to confront our conclusion.
So I just wanted to look for something.
So InshaAllah.
Yes, InshaAllah.
What a few things that I noticed is,
like you said, it is not a new
phenomena that they've used this.
They've always been using phenomena.
There are a lot of videos of Mirza
Tahir, the fourth caliph, in his early days
narrating writings from different people saying that, like,
they saw dreams and that is how they
know.
And they've also have, like, these videos throughout
the timeline.
If you look at the YouTube, do this
YouTube search.
So they have been using this point repeatedly
again and again that people actually saw these
dreams and came to Ahmadiyyat.
A point, an interesting point, it's an irrelevant,
interesting point, but just because Adnan Bhai is,
sorry, Imtiaz Bhai is sharing something, shares this
random thing just came to my mind because
I don't know how many of you have
seen it.
This is actually a website which is called
This Man.
So a psychiatrist, actually, a mental patient drew
this picture and a psychiatrist just took this
picture and posted online and asked how many
people have seen this person.
So from 2006, there are about 8000 people
who claim they have seen the same person
in the dream.
And so on principle, the dreams, the whole
idea that dreams have some legitimacy or hold
any legitimacy.
Then this, seeing this person, I think more
people have seen this person compared to Mirza
Qadiani, Mirza Qadiani.
So he, this, whoever that person is, he's
an imaginary person.
This imaginary person has more of evidence, a
point to make to any claim he wants
to make.
So this, there's actually like Imtiaz Bhai said,
what you're going to do about the Hindus
and the Christians and the atheists and all
these different religions, all of them seeing dreams
for the truthfulness of their particular religion or
a religion for that matter.
What are you going to do about all
that data, right?
If you're going to just stand on dreams.
The only way that they could have used
this evidence was that put a caveat there
that the only dreams that stand are the
ones that are in our favor.
And I don't know how that does that
game work.
Why are your dreams true and my dreams
not true?
SubhanAllah.
So I think so Imtiaz Bhai, you're still
looking for that video?
Yes.
So you're muted, Bhai.
Just one particular clip I just wanted to
play, but inshallah if there is something backstage
you can bring him on.
And inshallah as soon as I find that,
I'll share with you.
Okay.
Pablo, do you want your video on or
do you want to turn it off before
I take you?
Okay, good.
You're on stage.
Welcome to our stream.
Go ahead.
Okay, you just left.
Do you want to?
SubhanAllah.
Yes, Pablo, you're on stage.
Alhamdulillah.
You hear me?
Yes, inshallah.
Assalamu alaikum.
Walaikum salam.
Aki, I'm a new Muslim.
My whole family is Christian and Catholic and
I was raised in a Catholic grandmom house.
My family, I'm the only Muslim in my
family.
There's no support here.
I only get support.
Like my support is, you know, the books
that I order from Amazon or Knowledge of
Brotherhood I see online, like you, like one
of my favorites.
So I got a question about Allah.
He has sifat and some guys was questioning
me about this and I have like no
knowledge about like Allah's sifat that he was
saying he has a hand or two hands
and a shin.
So I want to know what the sheikhs
say about that.
So Allah, if you can do that.
Or maybe I can take another time because
y'all was talking about something else.
Inshallah.
First of all, welcome to Islam.
You're now our brother and you're part of
the two billion people, people on earth who
are your brothers and sisters in Islam.
So welcome and make dua for us, inshallah.
And hopefully Allah make it easy for you
and your journey easy for you and you
grow from here.
And inshallah we meet in Jannah, you and
I and all of us, inshallah.
We have, inshallah, if you can leave because
like you said, the discussion is about something
else.
Inshallah, if you can leave your contact details,
we can connect with you in the chat,
in the private chat, inshallah.
There's only moderators there.
So we can contact you and we can
have like in that discussion about it.
I don't know if Imtiaz wants to.
Alhamdulillah, yeah, yeah, inshallah, because that's like I
said, I live in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, and there's
like no support here.
And if I go to the masjid here,
they're all Arabic brothers.
Inshallah, inshallah, we will find you support.
Don't worry about this.
Alhamdulillah, like I said, there are a lot
of brothers out there who live in the
U.S. And inshallah, we will find you
the support you want.
But this is like, I'll let Imtiaz, I'll
see if he wants to answer or not,
but definitely connect with us, inshallah, and we
can have a chat.
I'll leave my contact, brother, don't have to
answer that.
We could just continue on to what I'll
just keep watching what she was talking about,
Kulayani or whatever that dude was, the liar,
I guess.
So inshallah, I appreciate your brothers.
I'm gonna leave my contact.
Love you for the sake of Allah.
SubhanAllah, inshallah, we'll make contact with you.
As-salamu alaykum, Qadir Bey, you're online, please
unmute yourself.
Yeah, thank you.
I'm online, yes.
Qadir Bey, you want to comment on something?
You have any questions?
Most welcome, brother.
I don't have any questions at the moment.
Okay, then inshallah, you can stay backstage.
You can, inshallah, watch the rest of the
stream.
And just in case if something comes to
your mind, you want to comment something, we'll
bring you back on the stage, inshallah.
Is it okay?
Inshallah, it's okay.
Yes, inshallah, just wave your hand and we'll
bring you back.
Inshallah.
Okay, Bashir Bhai.
As-salamu alaykum, Bhai, how are you, Bhai?
Wa alaykum as-salam wa rahmatullah.
Bashir Bhai, what's happening in the dreams?
Tell us something about the dreams.
Because people really want to, you know, get
some insight from your side as well.
Because you've been part of this whole thing,
you know, for a big chunk of your
life.
And your family is still around.
Did I freeze?
No, no, you are fine.
You're fine.
Yeah, now you're frozen.
Now you're frozen.
Oh, sorry about that, brother.
On my side, there was some lagging.
But I just wanted to say, in terms
of the dreams, Nabeel Qureshi had a dream.
And that's why he left Amity.
He was a famous one to leave.
And it was because he had some dream
about...
So, you know, in 2024, to rely on
dreams and not research, it's almost a disservice.
Because the research is there.
You don't have to rely on how you
feel.
But I wanted to comment, this is part
of the return to Qadian prophecy.
And the second Qadiani Amni Khalifa was in
Lahore.
I don't even think he was in Rabwah
yet.
Because he didn't move to Rabwah, I think,
till like 1949-ish.
So he's in Lahore at Ratan Bagh, I
think.
And he's getting these dreams.
And that was also called a Batadwa.
That's where Mr. Ghulam Ahmed got the red
drops.
The famous prophecy of the red drops.
But it used to be a bathroom.
And then they turned it into like Batadwa.
So I don't know when they turned it
into Batadwa.
Maybe it was after the partition.
But those are just my brief comments.
And in a different era, some of the
kids wonder why we have to do wudu
five times a day.
This is the reason, brother.
You know, now you can take a shower
and it's very easy to clean yourself.
You know what I mean?
In those days, there were some complications.
So those are just my brief comments, brother.
I was actually just trying to give my
contact information.
So the brother from Lebanon, Pennsylvania, if he
had any questions, he can reach out.
I don't know where he went.
But brother, look, we're available 24-7 on
many platforms.
We are here to help.
And those are my brief thoughts, brother Imtiaz.
Where do we go from here?
And Bashir bhai, if you can put your
email address in the comments, we can display
here.
So inshallah, if he wants to contact, he
can contact you as well.
Sounds good.
And it's just AhmadiyyaFactCheckBlog at Gmail.
Pretty easy.
Look, the way to get a hold of
me on any level is AhmadiyyaFactCheckBlog, Gmail, Instagram,
Facebook, wherever Allah allows me time to put
my information, brother.
Yeah, exactly.
And by the way, they had put up
a sign in Rabwah saying everyone who is
buried here will eventually go to Qadian.
And they were really, brother Imtiaz, I've proposed
this many times.
They can go to India instead of England,
instead of Germany, instead of Canada.
Just go to Qadian.
There's no Muslims there.
They say Muslims are bad.
It's not true.
But who's going to harass you in Qadian?
There's no one there.
You have no enemies at all.
Maybe the Sikhs have done some things.
But why not move back?
Qadianis were the only group of Pakistanis who
were getting visas to go to India.
As you know, if you have a Pakistani
passport, you're not getting a visa, bro.
You have to give up the passport.
And then still, there's going to be a
lot of scrutiny.
Forget about the passport.
I have a few people here who live
in Australia.
They have an Australian passport.
But because they were born in Pakistan, even
they can't get the visa.
Right, right.
Because the Indian government, you know.
But if you were a Qadiani, you could
go through Lahore, through the border.
And a lot of them used to go
to Qadian.
It was part from America.
They would have a contingent come for Jalsa.
And they'd go to Rabwah first or Qadian
first and then cross the border.
And everything was fine.
And to be fair, because as Muslims, we're
fair in our criticism.
Some Sikhs also got a visa for Pakistan
as Indians to go to, I think, Baba
Nanak's grave is right across the river or
something like that.
And also, this is how Qadianis got visas
to go to London for Jalsa.
Because they made it like their religious event.
Like their official and et cetera, et cetera.
So look, in Qadian, they're in trouble.
Pull up the videos of Mirza Tahir Ahmed
in 1991.
He's walking around.
There's a guy with a machine gun.
Like, this is a big rifle.
You know, it's not just one shot.
This is like many shots, you know.
So there's a huge security risk in Qadian.
And they're just afraid to go back.
Brother, look, in India, they can call themselves
Muslim and everything.
What's the problem?
What's the problem?
Ah, they can't do Tabligh.
And that's why they ran from India in
the first place.
Because the Hindus don't allow it.
They're in majority, you know.
And if you believe in democracy.
But anyhow, those are my thoughts, brother.
And you know, Bashir Bhai, I also want
the common Ahmadis to think about this.
That Mirza Ghulam Qadiani said that the true
God is the one who sent his prophet
in Qadian.
And then he used to call that Qadian
is the place of the messenger of God,
you know.
Now, the point is, they always tell us
that everything in Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, you have
to go and compare with, Nauzubillah, Nabi Muhammad
Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
So, Bashir Bhai, let's use the same principle,
okay.
Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, his preaching started
in Mecca.
And then we all know the whole history,
that how things become very difficult for Muslims
in Mecca.
Eventually, they have to migrate.
But within the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu
Alaihi Wasallam, both Mecca and Medina and Hijaz,
they became under the control of Muslims.
And Mecca and Medina became the Muslim-only
cities.
No non-Muslim was allowed to live in
those.
If you want, either accept Islam or within
the four months, you leave this area.
This is in the Quran, Surah Tawbah, okay.
Now, the point is, why not you compare
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani here?
Because you are telling us that Ahmadiyyat is
spreading all over the world.
What about Qadian?
It should first be established in Qadian.
Why?
Because you want to compare everything to who?
To Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
Jeebashir Bhai, what do you think about this?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, and that's maybe why K2 said, we're
going to return.
We're going to return the same way.
It'll be Fatah, like it was Fatah Mecca.
Maybe it'll be Fatah Qadian.
Doesn't look like it.
Doesn't seem like it.
And you know, the train is what really
hurt him.
You know, in 1928, I think, the train
station was built.
And you know, British government paid for it.
You know, it's one line.
You know, now it's got multiple stops.
But in 1947, Sikhs from Pakistan were able
to catch the train to Qadian, you know.
And a lot of things happened, brother.
Like, I think a few people who they
allege were Sikhs threw grenades into the Masjid
Aqsa, into the Temple Aqsa.
And so there was a lot going on.
The majority of the shaheeds, of Ahmadis that
were killed, and I think in all the
persecution, if you go back 90 years, was
in Qadian.
There's over 20 to 30.
So they're in big trouble.
They don't even want to go to India.
And brother, I looked it up.
They don't even have 10 temples in India,
which is hard to believe.
You know, they have like four in Qadian,
like two in Kashmir.
The rest of the country is a bunch
of mission houses, you know.
So where they have full religious freedom to
call texts, to say whatever they want, or
do whatever they want, it still didn't work.
It still didn't work.
So and this is just a net, you
know, it gives you the mentality of K2.
He would just say, what is he saying?
You know, someone should have stepped in and
say, no, no, this dream do not publish.
Because it's too embarrassing.
It's too embarrassing.
But these guys are delusional.
What about that diarrhea dream?
And then from that dream, Mirza Bashir Ahmad,
Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood is telling us that they're
going to get back Qadian from the diarrhea
dream.
And then it never happened.
It never, even now, when it's possible, they're
not going.
In 1991, Mirza Tahir Ahmad has so many
political connections.
He got a visa.
He got a visa for India.
A, that's A.
B, he could have stayed.
He could have said, I want to be,
I want to move back to Ahmadiyya Mahalla
or something like that.
Or a neighboring village.
We'll take a neighboring village and then slowly
do it.
They didn't do any of it because they
don't want to.
You know, it's an asylum business, an asylum
game.
That's the reason people join jobs, wives and
asylum.
So, you know, and it's real sad to
me, brother, especially as you know, I'm a
guy who I did all the hard work,
man.
I went after the books.
I can barely read Urdu.
I can, you know, my Arabic is not
the best.
I went and reverse engineered books.
It takes time, time and time and time.
And to see Noonan just say, I saw
a dream and that's it.
That's not fair.
That's not fair.
And it's a dead give off.
These guys didn't do any research, you know,
and that's why that day against the non,
we saw Noonan has no scholarship at all.
Yeah, exactly.
So, Shabshi Bhai, stay with us.
Let's take somebody else as well.
Inshallah, continue the discussion.
I mean, Hassan Bhai, first of all, I
would say that all the du'as which
you made for us, for our team, may
Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala accept these du
'as for all Muslims.
And secondly, even though, yes, you said that
we can translate, but, you know, Hassan Bhai,
majority of the Ahmadi Qadianis who are watching
or who will be watching, they understand Urdu,
even though some of them cannot speak well,
but they understand Inshallah.
So your point was very clear, very, very
clear.
Inshallah, it will reach to them because, you
know, what comes from the heart, it goes
to the heart.
Because what you said, there was not a
script, you know, there was your own genuine
passion and compassion and feelings and your own
good wishes for this community that you wish
for them, that they could see all of
that, that how all of this can be
compared to Islam and how all of that
can be defended in terms of, you know,
being the Islamic teaching.
For example, in all of these dreams we
are discussing today, I mean, the dream of
this Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, subhanAllah, what these
dreams have to do?
They are so disgusting, you can't even read
them, you know, subhanAllah, you can't even read
them.
And wallah, you know, sometimes, not just this
dream, there are many things which we are
reading, translating and quoting.
But subhanAllah, it's difficult for us as well.
But what we can do?
We got no other option.
So brother Hassan, definitely you will be in
our du'as and please you keep us
in your du'as as well.
And Inshallah, you are part of this noble
cause because you have concern for this cause
and you have concern for this community.
And Inshallah, your concern is definitely making you
part of this whole team, Inshallah.
And please, you know, make lots of du
'as for us that may Allah grant us
complete ikhlas, sincerity and may Allah grant us
success.
And what we mean by success is that
may Allah remove this veil from the eyes
of this community and they can see the
truth that these teachings, these principles, you know,
these beliefs, they have nothing to do with
Islam.
I always give this one example because it's
very simple to understand, very simple for a
common person.
In Islam, there is no such thing that
Prophet Isa was put on the cross.
But in Ahmadiyya, this is where everything begins.
Because in Ahmadiyya narrative, this is one of
the key points that Isa was put on
the cross.
And lastly, even last night, I was doing
a bit more research on the topic of
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani accusing Prophet Isa of
being a drunkard or being an alcoholic, you
know.
Because
whatever you are doing, it is to increase
the honour of Prophet Isa.
Thank you very much.
And yes, inshallah, please make dua that may
Allah allow us to do this noble job.
It's a job in the sense that it's
an obligation of the Muslim Ummah.
And may Allah allow us to do in
the best way possible.
And we are full of shortcomings.
May Allah rectify our affairs.
May Allah remove our shortcomings.
And may Allah open the hearts and minds
of the common Ahmadis.
Thank you very much and welcome in the
future as well.
Your mic is muted.
Yeah, so I think he just left.
We didn't do anything.
Okay, no problem.
Jee Bashir Bhai, how people are going to,
you know, justify all of this?
How common Ahmadis are going to justify all
of this on Yawm ul Qiyamah?
Allah will not accept it, especially in 2024.
There's no excuse in 2024 to be in
the dark.
You know, some of the older women were,
you know, some of my grandmothers were illiterate.
You know, I don't know what Allah's gonna,
how Allah will deal with them, however He
likes.
But, you know, you're looking for a sign.
All you had to do was read the
Quran.
It was really that easy.
It was, and if you had a book
of Hadith, go find Bukhari.
You find the Hadith, you know, and then
what answer could you give?
You know, whatever answer they're going to give,
Allah already knows what they're going to say.
You know, so, you know, brother, and I
have family members involved in this.
So I'm in deep and they're going to
be in a lot of trouble.
Totally, totally.
Because as you said, Bashir bhai, that especially
in this time and age, when information and
research is so easy, all it needs, do
you really want to research?
It just wants a genuine will and willingness.
That's it.
After that, the doors are just open for
you.
So I wish, you know, and subhanAllah, you
know, Bashir bhai, what really surprises me that
especially those who are living in the Western
countries, they are very well educated.
How do they justify all of this for
themselves?
Because how can you believe in all of
this?
So, Walla, I can't really reconcile this, that
someone even educated from a worldly point of
view, from a secular education, you still, you
know, your horizon is very broad.
How can you believe in all of that,
which is full with contradictions, you know, filled
with basically things which are not historically correct,
which we know with surety, subhanAllah.
Especially, brother, when Allah has allowed the truth
to be revealed within everyone's lifetime.
You know, there's so many things that we've
learned that, you know, and I'll tell you,
it's the Western education.
It takes you away from Allah, you know.
When I was a kid, they were teaching
me evolution.
I believed it.
I believe we all came from the island
of Galapagos or something like this, and we
all evolved, and we all came out of
Africa, and there used to be dinosaurs, and
there used to be fossils, there used to
be these strange creatures, you know.
But I know now not a single creature
has ever went extinct.
This is, Allah has a perfect system.
Allah created this perfect system to run forever,
until he feels like shutting it down, you
know.
So, you know, and that's the story, is
if you were Western educated, then you weren't
really educated.
You were, maybe you were taught how to
read and write.
But, you know, when I was a kid,
my dad used to always talk about the
short term and the long term, and he
said, we plan for the long term.
Well, if you're planning for the long term,
then you should worry about where are we
going to go from here?
When you die, it's going to happen like
this, right?
Because in 40 years, it'll go by just
like that.
It'll be over.
Where are you going to go?
You know, that's what people should think about,
you know.
I was at the gym playing basketball with
some of my Hindu friends, and I was
telling my brother, I think differently nowadays.
And they were like, why?
I said, I feel like I'm closer to
Allah now, because I'm older, and I'm getting
closer to the time where I have to
go see the Day of Judgment, and I
have to go show my face, you know,
and I'm preparing for that.
So MDs aren't prepared for nothing.
For them, it's only this dunya.
So whoever you can steal from, get asylum,
go to America.
I'd rather be poor in Pakistan my whole
life.
At least I get Jannah.
That's the reward.
That's what this is all about.
But they don't even believe in the descriptions
of Jannah.
You know, maybe for them, Jannah is just,
you know, a place, like a room or
something.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But I believe in all the descriptions of
Jannah in the Hadith and the Quran, you
know, and it gives me a yakinan, you
know, that I'm going to the right place.
So that, I think, is the entire issue.
It's the Western fogging up the brain, brother.
You know, brother Bashir, it's very interesting and
very crucial, what you said towards the end
of your comments, that this belief in afterlife,
this concern that I have to go back
to my creator, to my Lord, and I
will be questioned about my life, and it
will be me, not somebody else.
SubhanAllah, you know, I spoke to many people
in the past couple of weeks.
They said that, and some of them have
actually been studying at Jamia Ahmadiyya at one
point.
They said that this was that one of
those one major things, which caused them to
think about the Ahmadiyya ideology.
They said that if you speak to 10
well-versed Ahmadis, those who know the ideology,
if you talk to 10 of them, you
will get 10 answers about what is afterlife.
They said that somebody would say, eventually, you
know, everything will perish.
There's no eternal life in Jannah.
There's no eternal thing in Jahannam.
It will perish eventually.
And as you know, brother Bashir, some of
them quoting Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, that even
shaitan will end up going into Jannah eventually.
He said that, I was just thinking that
we've been taught that Muslims were divided in
different sects, and you know, they were on
the misguidance, and that's why Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Qadiani came to revive Islam.
But we could not even get one answer,
one unanimous answer about afterlife from the entire
teachings of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and all the
caliphs.
Everyone has his own opinion.
If you read the works of Mirza Tahi,
for example, you get one understanding of quote
-unquote afterlife.
If you read the works of Bashiruddin Mahmood
Ahmad, you get a different understanding.
And then, you know, as they changed sometime
this word Akhira into believing in Mirza Ghulam
Qadiani, you know.
So, subhanAllah, you know, this is that one
thing which can cause people to think about
their behavior, and they have diluted, they have
clouded this one thing, i.e. afterlife.
Totally, brother, totally.
You know, I've taught many people who I
work with, you know, like OJT, and I
taught them the right way.
I taught them how to fix airplanes, how
to whatever, and I never wanted anything for
it.
I don't even want the swab that Allah
will give me.
But they asked me why, and I said,
I just, you know, I want to help
people just in general, you know, and I'm
not looking to put it on Twitter.
You know what I mean?
You know, so, you know, coincidentally, Allah will
reward, you know, he says clearly in the
Quran, you know, he's going to reward people
for what they've done, you know.
So, I don't know what they think, brother.
You know, some of my uncles, they lie
for a nickel or lie for a dollar.
I never understood that.
Why would you lie for, you're committed a
sin for nothing, for nothing.
Who cares about a hundred dollars or a
hundred rupees, but this many sins on your
head, you know, it's not going to work
out.
You're going to be in Jahannam forever, you
know, unless you're Muslim, you know, and maybe
you could get out.
It's up to Allah.
But yeah, brother, I don't really understand what
people think or what they do.
I think about Allah every morning, you know,
and that's the purpose of Salah is to
remember Allah.
You know, our elders used to always say,
you know what I mean?
You should know that this is if you
really believe in Islam, then you really believe
in heaven and *, and you don't want
to go to * at any cost.
So, yeah, brother, that's correct.
So, I think we have brother Dr. Nasir
Ali.
Let's take Dr. Nasir Ali.
Let's talk to him.
Assalamu alaikum, brother Nasir.
Assalamu alaikum, brother Imtiaz, brother Bashir.
How are you, people?
Walaikum assalam, brother Nasir, how are you?
Alhamdulillah, this is my third time on the
stream.
This is every time the weekend is blessed
with the stream.
So, brother Imtiaz, I have a question.
He wrote a book in 1886, Irshadat-e
-Kamalat.
Do you know about that?
Irshadat-e-Kamalat.
You can quote something, then I can remember.
Okay, maybe I'm forgetting the name.
No, just really quick, in 1886 was Shana
-e-Haq, and there's another one.
But not, you know, Ayn-e-Kamalat-e
-Islam is 1896.
Yes, yes, yes, that is Ayn-e-Kamalat,
I think.
He said that Allah has promised me that
I will have many wives and I will
have abundant of kids.
So, can you tell me after 1886, did
he marry or did he have children or
not?
It's not about just the children.
The main point was, the main point was,
he said that after his jillah in Hoshiarpur,
this is how everything started, okay.
He said that after I dedicated that time
to Allah in Hoshiarpur, then he has given
me this glad tiding that they are going
to be some blessed women, Babarkat Orte.
The word is Babarkat Orte.
He said that they are going to be
some blessed, and this was in 1886.
This prophecy comes from 1886.
He said that they are going to be
some blessed women whom I will marry after
this.
And from those women, I will have my
progeny.
But yes, that is a factual thing that
after that, he never married to anyone.
And our beloved Ustad Adnan Rashid bhai.
Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
Waalaikumussalam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh, brothers.
Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
Waalaikumussalam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
Brothers, I apologize for joining late because I
had guests around.
So I'll just finish with the guests.
So in that way, the only crush he
had, the Muhammadi Begum, he didn't got her.
And in 1886, he said that God has
promised me that I will marry some good
women and I will have good progeny and
abundant of children.
So that prophecy was also not fulfilled.
So what do the Qadiani explain this?
How do they explain this?
They said they would simply say that it
was not about marriage.
It was just to guide that family.
And then they would say that this many
people from that family eventually were guided to
Ahmadiyya religion.
And that's how the prophecy was fulfilled.
On the other hand, obviously, this is the
last conversation, bhai.
Then we'll just move on to the next
topic.
So basically, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani said in black
and white, and we have presented that multiple
times.
He said that God has informed me that
I should make my marriage with Muhammadi Begum
as a criterion to verify my truthfulness or
my falsehood.
And then he further clarified.
He said that I have not said this
until Allah has informed me.
And then on the top of that, he
took an oath as well.
And then, as you said, Hasan bhai, the
rest is the history.
This marriage never took place.
And obviously, when a prophecy is not fulfilled,
then people have to do some sort of
justification.
They have to say something.
But the point is, what they are saying,
does it really justify to the failed prophecy?
That's the main question.
And the answer is no.
Because when God was telling Mirza, that's the
angle Adnan bhai is always going to this
particular angle.
That when God was telling Mirza Ghulam Qadiani
that make this marriage a criterion, does God
know at that time this marriage will not
take place?
There is a question from Adnan bhai.
Adnan bhai, can a prophet of Allah die
such a disgraceful death?
What do you say about that?
No, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala does not
humiliate his prophets in giving them a death
that puts question marks on their integrity.
Yes, prophets have been killed.
Yes, prophets have been chopped up.
Prophets have been assassinated.
Prophets have been decapitated.
But dying in your own feces, dying in
your own filth, I don't find any precedence
of that.
I don't find any precedence of that.
So there is no precedent, right?
So and in this case, you have to
understand something.
There is something very unique about Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Qadiani.
Okay, in this case, it was his own
prayer, it was his own declaration, his own
proclamation that came to pass.
He said, he said while praying that, Oh
Allah, kill the liar, kill the liar within
the life of the truthful one.
When he was referring to Allah, you know,
he said, Oh Allah, this person is basically,
you know, claiming things, challenging me.
Okay, one of us is a liar and
the other one is truthful.
Okay, Oh Allah, kill the liar in the
life of the truthful one.
And then he prayed for Haiza, what we
call, you know, cholera, cholera.
Okay, basically diarrhea, extreme bouts of diarrhea.
Mirza literally died within a very short time
of this prayer.
Okay, and he himself proved it, that he
was the liar.
By his own standard, he died within the
life of Sanaullah Amr Sari, because Sanaullah Amr
Sari died in 1948, 40 years after Mirza
died, 40 years.
This alone is enough to convince anyone that
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was shown to be
a liar by Allah.
Allah chose that he will be shown to
be a liar to the whole world.
But for some reason, his followers are very,
very stubborn.
What we call in the Urdu language, dheet.
You know dheet, with someone dheet, with someone
stubborn, you can bring the heavens down.
You can bring, you can break stars, you
can split the moon, you can bring the
sun down.
They will not accept, because, They are deaf,
dumb and blind.
Their hearts are sealed and they will not
believe.
They will not return to Allah.
So, da'wah is for those who are
willing to listen and to evaluate and assess.
For those who keep telling us that, Oh,
many came before you, they died, we are
not going to believe.
They're telling us we're not going to believe.
No matter what reasons you bring to us,
what, you know, revelations you might expose to
us, okay, we're not going to believe.
We're not going to leave Mirza, no matter
what happens.
So, how do you argue with people like
that?
You can't argue with people like that.
So, we are talking to those who are
destined for Jannah.
We are reaching out to those people, Inshallah.
So, you know, this issue of Mirza being
humiliated by dying in his own filth, or
by, you know, the fact that he died
of cholera, he died of diarrhea, a serious
bout of diarrhea.
This was his own doing.
This was his own doing because he said,
Oh Allah, kill the liar in the life
of the truthful one and kill him with
heza, with cholera.
What more do you need?
And that proved that he was a liar.
And okay, look, if Mirza was truthful, if
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was truthful, he would
have been the last person to die of
cholera on this planet.
Because if Allah wanted him to be known
as truthful, if Allah wanted the world to
follow him, if Allah truly loved him, Allah
would never kill him of cholera.
Allah would never kill him of diarrhea.
But Allah chose to kill him of diarrhea
because this is what proved that he was
an outright liar.
Anyone listening right now, if you're sincere, this
in itself is enough.
So Imtiaz Bhai, what is the Ijtihar called?
Akhri Ilan?
What is it called?
Akhri Faisla.
Akhri Faisla.
Go and check out Akhri Faisla.
Check out Akhri Faisla, the last judgment.
Mirza called it the last judgment.
And what was that?
Oh Allah, kill the liar in the life
of the truthful one and kill him by
Heza, by cholera.
And what happens?
Mirza dies within days and he dies of
cholera.
He dies.
Wake up.
Wake up and see that what Allah is
trying to do.
These screams are happening so that you can
see this evidence and save yourself from hellfire.
And you know Adnan Bhai, just to add
one thing about this Akhri Faisla.
Obviously, ever since Ahmadiyya Jamaat is in denial
that this thing actually did take place as
a result of that supplication of Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad.
Adnan Bhai, the interesting thing is, there happened
a debate.
Sanaullah, Rasool Rahimullah was on the one side
and there was a Qadiani debate on the
other side.
And we have three judges.
One Muslim, one Ahmadi and one non-Muslim.
Now, after that debate, the panel decided and
the verdict of the panel was that Sanaullah
is the winner.
He has proven his case.
And what is the case?
That Mirza Ghulam Qadiani did die as a
result of his own supplication and it proves
that he was a liar.
So, Alhamdulillah, Imtiaz Bhai, our target is, Inshallah,
the common people of Qadianis, you know the
Murabbis, they are not repairable.
They are irreparable.
They are doing this for money, for dollars,
for euros.
So, they are not our audience.
Inshallah, most of the Ahmadi Qadiani will revert
to Islam eventually, sooner or later.
That's what we are hoping.
Inshallah.
Inshallah.
Thank you, JazakAllah, brothers.
Thank you.
JazakAllah, Dr. Nasir, for coming.
Inshallah, we have our beloved brother, Naseer.
As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
Wa alaykum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
Yeah, it's good to see you again, Adnan
Bhai, Imtiaz Bhai and Ahmed Bhai.
When Imtiaz Bhai was reading that reference about
their Khalifa, believe me, I was having a
tea.
I dropped my tea.
I can't even drink my tea listening to
that filthy dream of that Khalifa.
I don't know how they comprehend, how Ahmadis
comprehend that their Khalifa is telling the dream
of the toiletry and about shit, filth, urine,
these sort of things.
How?
I don't understand.
Is there any, any sort of Hadith you
have listened like this?
Any sort of ayah of Quran they have
listened like this?
These things are the signs of Satan.
I don't know.
How did they even comprehend that Hadith?
And secondly, I have a question with Imtiaz
Bhai.
Is there any dream of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Qadiani seeing a woman with transparent clothes?
In that transparent clothes, he can see his
body.
Did you have any dream like this in
Ruhani Khazain?
I'm brother.
He claimed to have saw Sheikh Batalobi naked.
That's like a man, you know.
So, I mean, this isn't anything.
Even Mohammadi Begum, even Mohammadi Begum.
He had a dream about Mohammadi Begum.
Yes, yes.
And he saw her without clothes.
Yes, yes.
That, that thing, when Imtiaz Bhai will come,
he has a reference.
So, he should also tell us about that
reference.
No, no, look, look, look.
Even if he had the dream, let's say.
Even if he had the dream, this is
supposed to be a prophet.
I claim this is not even a Sharif
Admi.
He's not even a decent man, let alone
a prophet.
And I will prove that.
Let me explain how.
Mohammadi Begum got married to another man called
Sultan Beg.
Mirza Sultan Beg.
She's a married woman.
And Mirza had a dream about her.
Let's assume he had a dream about her.
Dreams can be satanic and they can be
divine in nature.
Divine in the sense that they are like,
you know, like an inspiration.
They give good direction.
Yeah, good direction or inspiration.
In case Qadianis cut this out and start
saying, oh, look, Adnan Rashid believes in divine
dreams and revelations.
After Mohammad, knowing these people.
But let's say Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani had
this dream where he saw Mohammadi Begum naked.
Let's say that.
I don't even like to say this because
she was a believing woman.
She has passed away.
And may Allah reward her for all the
hardship and all the difficulties she went through
because of this indecent man called Mirza.
Let's say he had the dream.
Let's assume for a second he had the
dream.
Why would you make that dream public when
you know the woman is married?
When you know she is someone else's daughter.
When she is not married to you.
She's not your wife.
You can't even make a dream like this
public, even if it's about your wife.
Even if it's about your wife.
Why are you talking like this about a
Muslim woman?
Okay.
Publicly humiliating her.
Putting her to shame.
Okay.
And you know Adnan Bhai when Mirza Ghulam,
you know how he stopped from these dreams
of Mohammadi Begum.
It's very interesting.
There was a guy called Jafar Zatelli.
So basically he started to publish the dreams
of Nusrat Jahan Begum.
He started to look.
We are not endorsing him as well.
But he was making Mirza Ghulam Qadiani taste
his own medicine.
And we don't agree with it.
No, we don't agree with it.
And just as the Qadianis would be offended
by any enemy of the Qadianis, any opponent
of the Qadianis attempting to insult, humiliate or
downgrade or degrade a woman of Mirza Ghulam
Qadiani, one of his wives, let's say.
And they start saying, I'm having a dream
or we are having dreams about that woman
in this way.
They would be highly offended.
Someone published a picture of Mirza Masroor's wife.
We know this for a fact.
And they went berserk.
They put him on trial.
They started to sue him.
And this was not a naked picture.
This was the picture of Mirza Masroor's wife.
Someone put it publicly and they sent him
threats.
They wanted to sue him.
OK, and we understand why they felt offended,
because it's a woman.
And, you know, publishing the picture of a
woman like that, they didn't like it.
And we understand why.
We understand why.
The issue is now, how can Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Qadiani make dreams about a believing woman
who is not related to him?
She's not mahram to him.
And he's making those dreams public.
Can you imagine?
What were the people, the enemies of the
Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam were doing?
You know, they were insulting the women of
Medina.
You know, what was the crime of Ka
'b bin Ashraf?
Ka'b bin Ashraf, the Jewish poet, you
know, what was his crime?
One of the crimes he committed was that
he was describing the women of Medina in
a very derogatory sexual way.
And then.
The rest is history.
We know what happened.
OK, so Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani publishing dreams
of a Muslim woman about her that I
saw her naked in my dream without clothes.
What the * is wrong with you, man?
Then he hugged him also in the dream.
Thank you.
So what is he trying to do?
What is he trying to tell people?
That I am intimate with a woman I'm
not married to.
She's someone else's wife.
She's someone else's daughter.
So where is your sense of decency?
If any man spoke about a woman, a
Qadiani woman, which we don't endorse, we don't
promote.
OK, and we don't encourage.
But if any man spoke like that, how
would the Qadianis feel today if someone spoke
about your daughter, your wife, your mother like
that?
Well, your prophet was doing it.
And, you know, Narbhai, in this entire picture,
in this entire narrative about Mohammadi Begum, we
have a simple question.
What was the fault of Mohammadi Begum?
What was her fault?
Her fault was because she was Mohammadi Begum
and Mirza fell in love with her.
Mirza wanted to marry her.
It became his obsession.
And Imtiaz Bhai, do you have the reference,
the very reference what we're talking about in
case people are curious, what are we actually
talking about and what he actually said?
Yes, thank you very much.
This is very important to show the reference
to the people.
Even Adnan Bhai, another thing is this, that
even the woman or any person who is
non-believer, even he's your enemy, you can't,
you can't show this dream to the people
and announce this dream to the people.
The noble man cannot do this.
And I'm very, and I'm very, very surprised
that in Lahore, Pakistan, here I meet many
Qadiyanis, a few of them are my friends.
Everybody saw dream, everybody.
If you meet one Qadiyani, he will tell
you his dream.
You meet another Qadiyani, he will tell his
dream.
And even in the family of Mirza, the
daughter of Mirza Tahir, he has dream about
Mirza Masoor.
Mirza Masoor have the dreams.
Everybody have dreams.
Yeah, one second, but sorry to cut you
off.
Yeah, and interestingly, Mirza Tahir Ahmed didn't see
a dream about Nida and she was living
next door.
So, sorry, go ahead.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
For some reason, yeah, again, you know, imagine,
imagine, you know, someone talking like this about
Qadiyani women and yeah, and look, dreams, dreams,
what do they prove?
Especially when they are evil and satanic, what
do they prove?
For example, there are Christians around the world.
I have met Christians personally.
Okay, you can preach to them till the
cows come home that the Trinity is false.
You are, you are Mary worshippers.
You are Jesus worshippers.
You are not God worshippers.
You can do that all day long.
They will turn around and say, well, you
know, you can say what you like.
I had Jesus in my dream and he
appeared to me and he told me, yeah,
follow me and worship me or I had
Mary in my dream.
I saw I had a vision of Mary.
She told me, pray to me.
Absolutely right, absolutely right.
So are we supposed to accept those dreams?
These Qadiyanis, some of them, it is possible
the shaitan is bringing these dreams to them.
It is possible that jinns are bringing, shayateen
are inspiring these dreams so that they fall
into kufr.
It's very possible.
Just like it happens to Christians who have
visions of Mary and Jesus telling them to
worship them.
Are we, are we to believe them now?
Are we to believe them?
So dreams are relative.
They are not binding upon anyone unless they
are dreams of prophets, true prophets.
Okay.
So Imtiaz Bhai is looking for the reference
while he's digging out this reference.
It's very, very clear.
Yeah, yes.
Let me just say with the Muhammadi Begum,
he was also offering them a Muslim old
prophecy.
He's saying, no, with this woman, she'll have
the promised son.
That's the extra side, the extra fish that
he was giving out.
He said, look, not only will you inherit
my land after I die, well, the woman
wouldn't, but the children somehow, even though in
Islam, you know, but they didn't really follow
the Islamic inheritance law.
But yeah, so he was offering the Muslim
old prophecy and Imtiaz is that.
So Allah got that wrong as well.
Ahmed Bhai, if you can please put on
the screen, I shared reference already.
Ahmed Bhai?
Adnan Bhai, do you know that hadith that
the Huzoor s.a.w. has said that
all Wahi is closed, only the Mubashirat, which
is the good dreams.
Naveed Bhai, let's deal with the reference.
Inshallah, we can discuss something else.
Okay, Adnan Bhai, I will read, or maybe
Adnan Bhai, if you can read and translate
for the people, please.
Okay, 25th July, 1892.
Okay, the reference is, if you make it
slightly bigger Imtiaz Bhai, I can't read it
like this.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Sorry, one second.
I'm trying to make this big.
The text is not becoming big for some
reason.
You know, one second, one second.
I'm trying to, yeah, just give me, let
me, let me just turn the camera.
Okay, so yeah, now I can see it.
Okay, I saw a dream, four o'clock
in the morning, okay, that my wife, the
mother of Bashiruddin Mahmood and another woman are
sitting there and I filled a container of
water with water.
And I lifted this container of water, a
leather container of water, and I brought it
to a pitcher and I filled the pitcher
of water.
While I was pouring water, that other woman
who was sitting in red clothing, she was
wearing red bright clothing, she came close to
me.
I see that this is a young woman.
She is dressed in red color from head
to toe.
Apparently, it looked like she's wearing a clothing
of net, which can be seen through.
I thought in my heart that this is
the same woman about whom I have been
publishing advertisements.
Okay, public pronouncements.
But when I saw, she looked like my
wife.
Basically, basically, she said, or she said in
her heart that I am here for you
now.
I have come for you or I have
come now.
I said to Allah, let her come or
let her, you know, let this be true.
And that woman hugged me.
She hugged me.
When she hugged me, I woke up.
And I woke up and I thank Allah
for this, basically.
Okay, now.
Am I part of this chat right now?
Okay, so, sorry, I know one second.
So, Imtiaz bhai, is this, we're looking, although
this reference is important, but we're looking for
another reference where he actually said that she
was, she had no clothes.
Oh, yeah, I mean, where her head was
shaven?
Yeah, yeah, that one, that reference, that reference,
because this reference, obviously, it doesn't say this
is Mohammadi Begum.
This reference doesn't say the name.
And, you know, the Qadianis, how they're going
to say and how they're going to play
games.
No, actually, you know, Adnan bhai, look, if
we are going to accept their interpretation, they
will, they can say this about every day.
But the point, Adnan bhai, is there are
two women.
One of them is Nusrat Jahan Begum.
Yes.
And this is the other women.
Okay.
So, basically, they have to tell us this
has to be someone other than Nusrat Jahan
Begum.
And she's dressed in red and she's wearing
see-through clothes.
Jali.
Jali means net clothes that you can see
the body through these clothes.
And she hugged him.
She became intimate with him.
They can turn around and say, look, they
can turn around and say this is a
dream.
Dreams can mean anything and all that.
The point is, why is the public making
these dreams public?
These dreams of sexual nature, these basically hard
dreams or wet dreams, let's say, why is
he making them public?
But the dream I'm looking for, the specific
one, is where he talks about Mohammadi Begum,
that she was seen without clothes and her
head was shaved, that one, that particular reference.
I'm looking for that one.
Okay.
Because that's very specific.
That's the one they can't just spin.
Because, you know, the Qadianis, we've been dealing
with them for the last year and a
half and how they like to spin things
and take them out of context or they
start screaming context, context, context.
You are making it worse than it is.
Okay.
That's what they claim.
So we want to give them a specific
reference, Inshallah.
Please.
In the meantime, I think we have one
brother, Moiz.
The brother just left a second ago.
Oh, he's back.
Yeah, he's back, Inshallah.
Do we need to give next time PG
-18 warnings or something when you're showing a
reference of Mirza or something?
Because it seems like it's adult content.
No, no.
I think that's a given.
When you're discussing Mirza, it's all X-rated
conversation, unfortunately.
So be ready for any surprise, any shock
at any time.
That when we're dealing with Mirza, any, you
know, yeah, parental guidance advised.
It's all advised.
Seriously.
And no joke.
We're not joking.
Because the language and the things like...
Like Naveed brought it up a couple of
weeks ago.
The Tafseer, SubhanAllah.
I read the whole 30 pages and I
was like baffled.
Like sometimes you're like completely baffled that how
can a person using such a language and
people consider him as a decent person.
Like, how does it work?
Yeah, and where he's equating Khushu with *.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Inside in one's, yeah, again, parental guidance advised.
SubhanAllah.
So we have our brother Muiz Quraishi with
us.
And SubhanAllah, he has some family who were
in the cult before.
And he did da'wah, InshaAllah.
So we'd like him to share his experience
and his story, which can be basically encouragement
for other people who are stuck in this
cult to come out.
Go ahead, brother, please.
Hey, Can everyone hear me?
Yes, we can hear you.
Okay, first off, I'm a little nervous because
you're also intelligent, MashAllah, in the Quran and
the Sunnah and a lot of things.
I've been watching you since my third year
university.
It's about seven years now in Hyde Park.
A lot of your conversations, Mr. Rashid and
also Mr. Imtiaz.
I'm sorry, I forget your last name, but
you know, and also Bashir Ahmed.
Like you guys are like the Avengers right
now, man, honestly.
I'll tell you why.
So quick story in a nutshell, as I
was saying in the chat before, I grew
up in Ontario, Canada, but I'm from Pakistan.
So 96 out here, we were here.
I never, and we're growing up in a
household where we're taught the Quran and Sunnah,
but we don't categorize Muslims.
When I moved out to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan in
university, that's where I got introduced to the
Ahmadiyya cult through a woman who, you know,
now I got married to, but it took
me about a year and a half to
explain to her.
And I gave her the chance that if
this is the Mahdi, then I will accept
it.
And then when I found more and more,
just things that you're talking about in these
recent streams, I'd studied a while back and
not at just the surface level.
And I'm glad that she opened up Hamza
and she became Muslim.
And now we've been married for a while,
it's been eight years.
And now her family, after eight years of
us having a conversation, constantly has accepted Islam.
So much so that, you know, it caused
a ripple effect in their individual lives in
terms of marriage and all the things in
the last stream that you talked about.
You have to get divorced, etc.
And, you know, it was tough.
I've seen it.
I've seen how they had to make changes
in their lives.
And it's tough.
I just want to ask you, like, you
know, when I'm making TikTok videos and I'm
studying off of what you're talking about and
I'm writing it down and I reiterate these
things, these concepts, especially Dr. Izhar and what
he talked about, you know, what I'm finding
is that they don't, like there's Bashar and
Bashir, the guy that you talked about.
And he didn't hear about the fact that
Mirza said, and I found this out in
his book, and it's also in Ahmadiyya Fact
Check, that you have to pay the chanda
or what not in chanda usir.
And if you don't, Mirza said that, I
can't remember which one, but he said that
you will be expelled from the community.
This was one of his books in the
Financial Sacrifice PDF.
That's where I read it online.
I can't remember the title of that book.
Mashoorat Ishtiharat, something like that.
I'm sorry, I don't know.
But essentially, I showed...
Majmoo Ishtiharat.
Majmoo Ishtiharat, exactly.
Page 165 to 160.
And the whole thing, the whole lot of
context in my video and TikTok, I even
presented it beforehand and then afterwards, like what
it leads into.
And he still said, you don't get excluded.
What I told him afterwards was like, I
think the community now changes your foundational beliefs,
which are against the whole love for all,
hatred for none thing.
So are you guys, essentially, are you writing
this down somewhere where we can access and
how to have these dialogues?
Because I'm afraid of my two little kids.
Because I'm afraid when the history comes out
to these guys, my son and my daughter,
when they grow up, they're going to find
out about the background.
And they have cousins, right?
I can't change everyone, but my immediate family.
So I'm worried and I'm preparing for the
next 10 years on how to talk to
my kids if it comes.
And inshallah, may Allah help us.
Yes, first of all, congratulations to you and
to your wife.
May Allah bless you guys.
May Allah bless your progeny and every single
person who enters Islam by following your example
and following your guidance.
May Allah reward you for all that.
And with regards to your question, whether we
are making an archive, we are.
We are working on an archive.
We already have an archive.
We're going to put it online.
We're going to put it on multiple platforms.
We're going to put it out in multiple
forms, book form, booklet, articles.
Videos, long streams, debates, dialogues.
We're trying to cover everything, basically.
So that, you know, this information is easily
accessible.
Inshallah, we're working on that.
Bear with us.
It's going to be public very soon, inshallah.
So when we said the cult will be
over in five years.
We're not just saying this.
We are working towards it.
And Allah is with us.
Allah is with us.
Allah is putting immense barakah in it.
The work is already happening.
We have pioneers like Brother Bashir, mashallah, who
has been at it for a long time.
He has done some amazing work that has
really set the tone.
Okay.
And alhamdulillah, many soldiers of Allah like him,
who have been, you know, trying to save
people from hellfire, trying to save people from
misguidance of the cult.
And, you know, they are the giants we
are standing on the shoulders of, basically.
So there are people like Brother Bashir and
A.K. Sheikh and, you know, Zaitoon that
they channel the work they have been doing.
So we only just came along, you know,
and it just became something on social media.
But inshallah, we're not just going to leave
it on social media.
We're going to make it archived so that
everyone can access.
And there's going to be a search engine
when anyone wants to search a particular topic
or a particular reference.
It'll be there instantly.
Right.
So it's going to be very easy to
use reference point for people who are interested,
inshallah.
So don't worry.
We're working on that, inshallah.
Just to make a note, I've covered 90
% of these streams, almost 90% of
the references that Imtiaz has brought.
I've saved it somewhere on the blog.
You just got to find it.
And if you can't find it, I got
the best customer service in the world, brother.
You don't get a phone line, no number
one, and I answer.
And look, I see it as a challenge
to find these references, brother.
I'll be up all night looking too, brother.
Yeah.
And you know, wallahi, brother Rashid, Allah reward
you for being available.
I'll tell you one thing.
Forget about the rest of your life, whatever
else you may be doing and whatever else
you might have achieved in life.
This alone, this alone that you make yourself
available for people to guide them, to show
them light, this alone, and if you don't
achieve anything else in life, this alone is
a life worth living.
Wallahi, you will be saving a lot of,
you probably have saved a lot of people
already.
Alhamdulillah.
So may Allah reward you, man.
Seriously.
I just want to say something.
I just want to say something before I
leave.
I know I'm not meant to interject, really.
If I can, by any means, I'm just
a student, help initiative, you know, through a
tourism initiative.
By any means, I would love to, because,
you know, I see what you're doing because
I've been in this, so I know how
it's working.
I see it progressing and I love it.
Just keep an eye out, brother.
And we will need volunteers.
We will need brothers and sisters around the
world to be part of this work.
InshaAllah soon, you will be able to join
the organization that is working towards it.
InshaAllah.
You can easily become a volunteer.
You'll be able to participate tangibly, practically, InshaAllah.
Okay.
I was asking him for his TikTok handles
so I can connect with him on TikTok.
You know, there's still a lot of action
on TikTok.
We've sort of been busy, but we need
the help on TikTok.
If you know anyone who can help us
with the live streams, we're not even streaming
this on TikTok and I think there's like
a way to do it.
I don't remember, but brother, I left my
number, connect with me.
I'm Amityufaq, check blog on 10 different platforms.
It's easy to find me.
I'm not hiding from anyone.
Absolutely.
And brother, before you leave, I just want
to first show the reference of not by
seven, InshaAllah.
I just want to discuss something.
One second.
In the chat, I posted the reference in
English, in the chat, in the private chat,
in the public chat.
So it's all there.
Yeah.
So please just stay with me.
Just let me share the reference of not
by seven.
Then InshaAllah.
Yeah, because it's important.
The question came up and we made an
accusation and we want to substantiate it.
We're not just saying this, right?
There you go.
Okay.
Right.
So let me read it again.
14th of August, 1892.
14th of August, 1892.
Okay, everybody.
Everybody, this is the reference.
So now you can take a screenshot and
you can show the world, in particular, the
Qadianis, that your Prophet.
This is basically the Tazkira, which is the
compilation of the Ilham of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
And this is the fourth edition.
Page number is 160.
And the previous dream was on page 159.
Secondly, it's very easy.
When you want to search something in Tazkira,
just go for the date.
For example, in this case, when you're searching
in the new edition, you can just go
for the date, 14th of August, 1892.
And the previous dream was, this was 25th
of July, 1892.
The one we mentioned before, in which Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani is hugging someone.
So now this one, in which he is
having a dream that she's, you know...
So let me translate it.
I didn't translate.
I just read it in Urdu.
So the translation is basically...
If you want to read the translation in
English, you already have it.
Go ahead.
Sure.
So here we go, guys.
And be ready.
This is where you are.
Okay.
So in the English Tazkira, it says, August
14th, 1892, common era, Muharram 20, 1309 after
Hijra.
I saw in my dream last night that
Muhammadi Begum, concerning whom a prophecy has been
made, was sitting with some people in a
village rest house.
And perhaps her head was shaving.
Her head was shaven, which in Hindu culture,
I've heard it's a woman whose husband has
died.
They shave their head.
And that's my own commentary.
But back to the quote.
She was naked and she looked very repulsive.
I said to her three times, the interpretation
of your head being shaven is that your
husband will die.
I placed both hands over her head and
again stated the same interpretation during my dream.
The same night, Mahmud's mother, who was Nusa
Jahan, saw in a dream that my marriage
with Muhammadi Begum had been performed.
And my wife had a document in her
hand, which specified that the dower for the
marriage was 1000 rupees.
And some sweets were sent for.
Then Muhammadi Begum was seen standing near me
in my wife's dream.
So that's the English translation.
Okay, okay.
Now I want to say something very quickly.
What was the claim I made earlier?
The claim was that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
had a dream about a non-Mahram woman
who is not related to him.
She is Muhammadi Begum.
In this dream, he sees her naked.
Number three, he knows she is a married
woman.
She is someone else's honor.
Number four, he is basically seeing her in
a very unpleasant, repulsive form.
My question is in all of this, what
is the fault of Muhammadi Begum?
Why is she being punished for not marrying
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani?
Why is she being punished for being married
to Mirza Sultan Bey?
Why is Mirza making these public announcements, public
proclamations about a woman who is married to
another Muslim man and saying that he saw
her naked, shaven head in a dream.
And then he says that he got married
to her.
In that dream, while her husband is still
alive, he hasn't died.
And by the way, her husband didn't die.
He didn't die.
This dream was proven to be false as
well.
He died a long time after Mirza died.
A long time after Mirza died.
Okay.
So my question is again, why is Mirza
Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani so indecent, so immoral that
he has to put out a dream he
may have had about a woman he's not
married to, he's not related to by a
relationship of marriage or Nikah and he's saying
that he saw her naked in dream.
How is he honoring this woman?
How is he protecting her honor?
And what does the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam
say?
The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, he said in
a Hadith and I quote, A person who
covers a Muslim, Allah will cover him on
the day of judgment.
Allah will cover him on the day of
judgment.
So even if you see something unpleasant in
a Muslim, now this covering is of two
types.
The Ulema, the Ulema of Islam, they explain.
This covering the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is
talking about is of two types.
One is physically covering someone.
Someone who is naked, doesn't have clothes, you
give them clothes to wear or you cover
them with a shelter, Allah will cover you
on the day of judgment with a shelter.
This is one type.
The second type is that you see a
weakness, a shortcoming, a sin on their part
and you cover it.
You don't expose them publicly.
You don't go and start pronouncing publicly that
I saw this person to be committing this
sin.
This is the second type of covering and
Allah will cover you on the day of
judgment when your sins will be publicly discussed
if you haven't covered anyone else.
So here Mirza is guilty of both crimes,
both types.
This was a dream which is a spiritual
experience and he saw her naked as he
claims.
He could have kept it to himself and
not humiliate her publicly like that.
A married woman, a married woman, married to
a Muslim and there is no fault of
her.
She is innocent of any crime, number one.
Number two, even if he had this dream,
he could have simply covered her and not
mention her nakedness.
So he is going to extraordinary lengths to
humiliate this woman, punishing her for not being
married to him and it wasn't even her
decision.
It was her father's decision to not give
her to Mirza in marriage and get her
married to another man called Mirza Sultan Beg.
Wallahi, any Qadiani watching, we have now substantiated
our claim with evidence, with reference.
Everyone can see it on the screen.
Take a screenshot and ask the Qadianis, how
can a decent man, how can a moral
man, let alone a Prophet of Allah, discuss
this about a woman, an innocent woman publicly?
Would you want any Tom, Dick or Harry
discussing your mother, your wife, your daughter?
Imagine if you went to the member.
I put this question out to the public.
Imagine if an Imam went on the member
and he stood up on Jummah and he
said, I had a dream and in my
dream I saw Abdul Ghafoor's wife or I
saw Abdul Kareem's wife or I saw Muhammad
Qasim's wife or I saw Jalaluddin's wife, okay,
naked and he was shaven head.
And imagine Jalaluddin, okay, or Muhammad Qasim or
Abdul Kareem.
These people are sitting in the crowd.
How do you think they would feel?
They would get up and they would drag
this Imam down and probably give him a
hiding.
How dare you mention my wife on the
member and you're humiliating my wife and me?
This is exactly what Mirza was doing to
an innocent Muslim woman and her husband.
You know, you know, Adnan Bhai, first of
all, I just want because, you know, when
you go on their website, you cannot find
the older edition of Tazkira.
So I just wanted to give you the
new edition as well.
So if you go on their website and
you download the latest edition, so it is
page number 175 of Tazkira.
And date is 14th of August, 1892.
Just remember the date.
Just remember the date.
It's easier to find the 14th of August
is the Independence Day of Pakistan.
Just remember that the year is 1892.
The year is 1892.
You will never forget it.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
I'm going to head out now.
I really appreciated this, guys.
And I just wanted to say that something
that really helped me out when talking was
brother Rashid, when you talked about the Krishna
Hadith that they always brought eight years ago,
when I talked to, you know, with them
and I couldn't find anything and they couldn't
find anything.
You are the person who brought to light
recently.
Please don't stop what you're doing because the
fact that you said the difference in if
and versus there is, you know, when I
brought that up, not one person has been
able to talk about it in terms of
their side.
And I really hope that you continue what
you do.
InshaAllah.
May Allah bless you all for this.
Ameen.
Take care, guys.
And brother, real quick.
I left my phone number in the private
chat.
I still need you on TikTok.
And then last thing in the Quran, there's
a lot of Allah says, if it doesn't
make it true, does not make it true.
Yeah.
I'm going to message you on WhatsApp.
Take care, guys.
JazakAllah.
Yeah, Ahmed bhai, if you want to bring
somebody else.
Daniyal bhai, you're on stage, inshaAllah.
Yes.
Assalamualaikum to all the panelists sitting here.
So first of all, I would just like
to convey the message that I'm a huge
fan of brother Adnan.
I've been talking to him for a long
time.
I talked to him mostly on brother Ahmed
Haq's lives, but I never actually had a
chance to talk to brother Adnan, who I've
been watching and getting inspired from since the
past, I don't know, four or five years.
And I'm also a huge fan.
And probably like a virtual friend of your
son, Musa as well.
He often comes live with brother Ali Dawa
and, you know, we always have a good
chat.
So brother Adnan, I would like to see
you.
You guys have, you know, really gone to
the details of this 14th August dream thing.
But what's even more absurd than that is
literally the next statement in the same book
and the dream that Mirza states.
And to me, it sounds even more absurd.
So if anyone can display that on the
scene, that would be amazing.
But I can read it out loud if
you guys want.
So I'm going to read it out loud
here.
It's the 20th of August, 1892.
And Mirza states here that he saw in
his house, there was some person known as
Sahib Jaan.
Does anyone of you Sahib Jaan?
Sahib Jaan is some person.
Sahib Jaan was one of his servants?
Yes, yes, exactly.
He saw in Sahib Jaan's house a snake
wandering around.
And in that dream, Mirza, what he does
is places his hand on the serpent, on
the snake and the snake burns.
And he also sees that one of his
other, I don't know, one of his other
servants, Mehmood, he gets his hands burned by
placing the snake, placing his hand on the
snake.
And he immediately, he immediately like thinks and
he ilham aata hai.
He thinks that, you know, in reality, his
servant's hand has burned.
But when he goes to his house the
next morning, he sees that he's absolutely fine.
So this kind of tells you that his
dreams are, you know, they have nothing to
do with reality.
Clearly.
And even if they are dreams and not
the reality, in the case of the previous
dream where he saw Mohammadi Begum allegedly without
clothes.
May Allah, you know, reward Mohammadi Begum with
the highest abode in Jannah.
Okay.
She was victimized by this liar, this person.
Okay.
He didn't have to say that publicly.
He should have had the decency to keep
that dream to himself, even if he had
it and not put it out publicly.
Because now she is someone else's honor.
She is in another man's nikah.
Okay.
And if you talk like this in sexual
terms about someone else's wife publicly and you're
printing ishtiharat, you're printing public announcements, proclamations, and
you're publishing them on posters for people to
see that you saw another man's wife naked
in your dream in a very despicable shape.
Okay.
What are you doing, man?
What the * is wrong with you?
Can you imagine this from even a moral,
normal human being, let alone a prophet of
God?
This is very, very severe.
This case, this point alone is enough to
completely dismantle Mirza or debunk him.
Brother Adnan, I wonder why the family of
Mahmoodie Begum, particularly her husband, did they take
any action against him or did they try
to confront him or anything?
No, they were too scared.
You know, Adnan bhai, because the husband was
was basically in British army, right, Bashir bhai?
Exactly.
Yeah.
And you know, the funny part, he was
in the British army.
He went into the army to fight in
the war.
He even got shot in the war and
he still survived.
Imagine.
And even the Second World War didn't kill
him.
Even the Second World War didn't kill him.
No, sorry.
The First World War.
The First World War, yes.
He fought in the First World War.
He got shot, he got injured, but he
still survived.
And here is Mirza saying that he would
have died if she didn't have married him.
Yeah.
And you know, Adnan bhai, it's very interesting
that, you know, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
made sure in every case, whatever Mirza says,
it has to go against them.
For example, for example, the classic case of
Manzoor Muhammad and Mohammadi Begum, the other Mohammadi
Begum, right?
When Mirza said that this couple will have
a son, Bashir-ud-Daulah and Alam Kamab
and this and this and this.
Guess what?
The wife died.
Yeah.
We don't want to say that wife died
because of, because Allah wanted to show Mirza
as a liar.
But this goes to show that how Allah
subhanahu wa ta'ala gave ample chances, ample
opportunities to his followers to contemplate, to know,
to think that this man is a liar.
But when you are dheet, when you are
stubborn, and when you are bent upon going
to hellfire, no one can save you.
You have to be willing to learn.
You have to be willing to change.
Otherwise, there's no hope for you.
You know?
So this is the point.
So brother Adnan, I would like to ask
a question regarding the dreams.
And when we talk about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's
dreams, you know, inevitably, you have to bring
in the so-called and the false revelations
that he used to receive as well.
Now, if you look at his books and
you look at his teachings, you can never
tell what the guy is saying and what
he really means by the statements is, does
he really mean revelations or does he mean
dreams?
Because he, see, I have read some scripts
of Mirza and I can never tell it,