Adnan Rashid – AHMADIYYA IDEOLOGY & WORLD OF DREAMS
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The importance of clear dreams and evidence in verifying Islam's claims is emphasized in Christian faith. Visitors are encouraged to share their own experiences and thoughts on the topic. The religious community in India is also discussed, including the rise of Muslims and the downfall of their religious freedom. The speakers stress the importance of evidence in shaping behavior and beliefs, finding evidence to be cleared, and proving a claim made by a brother in a conversation. They also touch on the challenges of finding reference for personal lives and the need for volunteers to help with the process. The importance of finding a way to convince someone of their actions, researching the situation "by the way", and finding a way to convince someone of their actions is emphasized.
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu everyone.
We begin with this du'a that may
Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala keep all of
you Muslims in the best state of health
and Iman and our sincere prayers for the
Ahmadi community, may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
guide all of them to the fold of
Islam, Ameen Ya Rabbul Aalameen.
So, as you can see our today's topic
is Ahmadiyya ideology and world of dreams.
Some of you may be surprised that what
the topic could be about.
Before I give you some insight into the
topic, let me share with you an anecdote.
So, when I was in the UK a
couple of months ago, we had the opportunity
to meet with an official delegate from the
Ahmadiyya Centre, their Baitul Futuh.
So it was myself, Adnan Bhai and a
couple of other brothers from the Muslim side
and I believe there were four Ahmadi officials.
So, I am using this word official on
purpose because one of them was their Murabbi
who you have seen in the past as
well on these live streams, Raheel Ahmed and
there were three other people and the reason
I said official because when they came to
meet us, they said this in black and
white, said look we came officially to meet
you and Adnan Rashid.
So anyhow, what was the subject of the
meeting, that's a separate discussion.
But the reason I mentioned that is regarding
tonight's topic.
So I said to them, I said look
you are four people sitting here and all
of you are obviously well versed in your
ideology.
I am really interested to know that if
each one of you can tell me that
what is the number one evidence or that
top argument which you have.
Obviously you could say that there is a
plethora of arguments, there is a multitude of
arguments in the favour of the truthfulness of
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani according to Ahmadis.
I said but I am really interested if
every single one of you sitting here and
there were four people, each one of them
was well versed in this ideology.
I said can you please give me one
argument, just one argument, which according to you
is the most powerful and most convincing argument
regarding the truthfulness of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
And to your surprise and maybe our surprise
as well, three out of four said straight
away.
They said that the first one said I
had a dream, second one said I had
a dream, third one said I had a
dream, and the fourth one in that order
was no other than Raheel Ahmed.
What Raheel Ahmed said I cannot remember and
I am sure that if we ask Raheel
Ahmed to recollect those memories of what exactly
you said because maybe perhaps Allah knows better,
maybe he was feeling a bit embarrassed to
say that I had a dream because like
I said there were four altogether and three
of them are telling me that they had
a dream.
And guess what?
Then I gave them a second opportunity.
I said okay no problem, let's go again,
let's have a second round.
And I said to them, I said okay
what is the biggest evidence, the most powerful
evidence that you have as an Ahmadi official
to believe that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a
truthful person in his claims?
SubhanAllah, again three of them did not say
anything.
Raheel Ahmed said something interesting and it is
again SubhanAllah, it's heartbreaking for us but in
their terms it's called ilzami jawab.
You know what he said to me, Raheel
Ahmed?
He said that what evidence do you have
that Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam was a
truthful person in his claims?
Can you imagine?
Why did you ask me this question?
Because in theory, in theory there is no
disagreement on his blessed personality.
You say in the public that you believe
in him, you tell people that he was
Ghulam-e-Ahmad and all of this kind
of, you know, this rhetoric.
I said look, the reason, if you ask
me number one reason, I would say it
is the Quran.
Quran as a most powerful convincing miracle is
a number one proof for anyone regardless of
somebody is a Muslim or not because the
truthfulness and the miraculous nature of the Quran
can be established even for the one who
is not a Muslim because the content of
the Quran, there are signs in the Quran.
In order to appreciate those signs and in
order to conclude that this book could not
have been authored by any human being, we
can provide evidence which will be acceptable either
you are a Muslim or non-Muslim.
So this is what was asked by Raheel
Ahmed and then he said that same thing
as most of the Ahmadis would say, I
mean the Ahmadi official would say, I should
rephrase, they would say that look, if Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani was a liar, why would Allah
let him and his community progress?
At this point, I asked them this question,
can you please define what do you mean
by progress or if you talk in the
Quranic terms, they would use the word falah
because they say, the Quran says, those who
are zalimun, those who are the oppressors or
those who are the wrongdoers, they can never
progress, they can never have the falah or
the success.
At this point, I am asking them, can
you please define for me what is the
success for an ideology?
Please define and the reason I am saying
this is because in whichever way they are
going to define success, on that same standard,
we can prove that it means that the
other cults and other false religions, they are
successful as well.
For example, I give you a simple example
and by the way, I am not moving
away from my topic but the reason I
shared that story or that account or the
encounter with the Ahmadi official, so you can
see that, look, even at that point, even
at that point, by the way, I did
not realize that this could be the number
one argument but after that, I came across
certain videos of convert Ahmadis in which they
are telling their story that how they had
this vision and dream in which they were
told that Ahmadiyya is the true ideology and
likewise, I spoke to some of the Ahmadis,
I mean, I would say former Ahmadis and
they are very well educated and I had
some discussions with them in the past couple
of weeks and some of them, they are
very well versed in the Ahmadiyya ideology and
they were almost like, you know, making it
as a mission in their life to propagate
the ideology and Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
guiding them the fold of Islam.
Even they testified to that and said, look,
that this dream thing, this dream thing is
a big thing in the Ahmadiyya community that
people are just quoting their dream right, left
and center that, you know, that how their
dreams, in some cases, it is their dream
or it is the dream of their forefathers.
For example, you know, some of their people
who are quote-unquote rational, they might not
quote their dream or they might not have
their dream but then they would say, look,
my grandfather had a dream and in that
dream, he was told that, you know, join
the Ahmadiyya movement or the Ahmadiyya ideology and
that's how the Ahmadiyya came in our family
and, you know, now how can I ever
say that this could be wrong?
Subhanallah.
So, this is a bit of context that
why I chose this topic because I was
surprised because I never thought that it could
be of this magnitude that it is not
Quran, it is not Sunnah, it is not
the strength or weakness of the argument, it
is rather the dreams which are playing a
big role in this community.
So, inshallah, in this today's program or in
some cases in tonight's program, depending on where
you're watching from, inshallah, I'll discuss with you
and I'll share with you some of the
video clips of some of their previous caliphs
and including their current caliph and some other,
you know, short clips as well and then
inshallah, we'll comment on that and we really
want to hear from somebody from their side
that what is their side of the story
and let me tell you one thing before
we move on.
You know, at this stage, just imagine this
live stream, alhamdulillah, it's not something special in
us, it is something special in the truth
of Islam.
Now, they are so scared, yes, they are
scared and you know this, that they are
not willing to come and confront anymore and
now they are giving excuses, oh, ex-Ahmadis,
you know, they are basically, you know, sorry,
the non-Ahmadis, you know, or the anti
-Ahmadis or the anti-Jamaat people, oh, you
know, they are actually, they are not using
the right language, their language is not appropriate.
Subhanallah, at this stage, I am still waiting
to see that one Ahmadi, that one Ahmadi
who is at least fair and just and
I want to ask him this question and
my question is, if someone is using vulgar
language, let's talk about the principle and then
once we agree on the principle, we can
apply the principle across the board, right?
That is what is called being consistent and
being consistent is another world being on the
truth, agree?
Now, let me ask you a simple question
and please come on, any of you, because
I know you cannot confront us anymore, sit
on your platform and answer a simple question.
If someone is using vulgar language, inappropriate language,
is this person justified to be preaching Allah's
religion to others?
Please address the question.
If you are going to say that no,
if somebody is using vulgar language, this person
cannot preach Allah's religion and guess what?
On this principle, the first person who will
disqualify is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and if you
would say that no, despite having a vulgar
language, somebody has the right to preach Islam
and people should interact with them, then why
don't you interact with the, in your terms,
non-Ahmadis because you don't have this standard.
If you do have this standard, that somebody
has to have a very civilized and by
the way, let me ask this question, what
have we ever said which can be labeled
as vulgar?
What is it?
According to you, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani is a
prophet of God and on these streams, you
kept saying this, you kept praising him and
in our belief, he was a liar, okay,
he was one of those like more than
30 Antichrist or Dajjal, Dajjal or Antichrist or
a liar or Kazzab, okay, these are not
the vulgar terms.
Don't you know that Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam has labeled any false claimant of prophethood
and by the way, anyone who would claim
to be a prophet of Allah after Nabi
Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, he will be in
this category.
Let me give you ilzami jawab, right, because
you love ilzami jawab, right.
If today, if today someone claims to be
a prophet of Allah and you as Ahmadiyya
community, you are 100% sure on the
basis of evidence that he is lying, please
be just, would you not say that this
person is one of those liars and deceivers
according to Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, would
you not say this, you have to say
this, right.
So, if somebody is a false claimant of
prophethood, these are two titles, these are two
titles which are used in our religion from
the blessed tongue of Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam, right.
These are two terms.
So, you can't really say that, you know,
how can you use this term.
So, anyhow, this was just a bit of
background I wanted to share with you that
why I chose this topic, okay.
Now, like I said before, we do have
some things in terms of principles on this
topic to discuss with you.
There are some, what are those, what are
some of the principles, okay, which we can
agree and by the way, before I move
forward, let me say something very interesting and
please pay attention, okay.
When you converse with the Ahmadis, when we
discuss with the Ahmadis, as soon as conversation
is about the principles, they are finished and
when I'm saying Ahmadis, I meant by paid
Ahmadi clerics.
A common Ahmadi is always, we always distinguish
between these two groups.
A common Ahmadi who is a member of
Ahmadiyya community, we do not know, people are
different, you know, unless you talk to someone,
you don't really know that what this person
believes, why this person believes so, etc.
But when it comes to their paid official
Murabbis who are kind of, you know, following
a narrative, you talk to them, as soon
as they start conversation, they just immediately hook
to that narrative.
So, these people, these people, when you talk
to them and you want to have a
principle discussion, they will never agree, they will
never agree.
They want to discuss things without agreeing on
principles and if you want a proof, let
me give you a proof.
Once the stream is finished, go and check
this platform, the Dialogue with Imtiaz.
First video, the first video on this platform
I published, in that video, there was a
very short video, I can't remember but it
was definitely very short, maybe 30 minutes or
so.
In that video, I asked them principle questions.
For example, I said that what is your
methodology to interpret Quran?
What is it?
Because once we know your ideology, then we
can see that are you consistent to use
this methodology?
Likewise, what is your methodology to label a
hadith as authentic or unauthentic?
What is it?
And likewise, number three, what is your ideology
or what is your principle in terms of
establishing consensus?
What is it?
And up till today, they are discussing, they
were coming on the stream but they are
not responding to that video because these are
the principles and once we have those principles
in front of us and then we engage
in discussion in a very short amount of
time, we can see that who is being
consistent or otherwise.
So anyhow, this was just a bit of
background or just a bit of intro if
you want regarding to this topic.
So inshallah, before I move any further, let
me share with you a short video clip
which can give you some idea, at least
some idea that what I am talking about
is not something just in our mind.
This is something which really exists, okay?
So Ahmad bhai, first, if you want to
comment something, most welcome or if you want
to play the clip, bhai, most welcome.
The Ahmad bhai.
Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to everyone and Imtiaz bhai
again for a beautiful, beautiful introduction.
Inshallah, Imtiaz bhai, this video is actually very
special because it is about a guy who
actually started all this and if it all
started from a dream, then basically dreams are
pretty strong because a dream started the downfall
of this particular cult.
But inshallah, without any further ado, inshallah, I
will share the video and then we can
comment on it, inshallah.
I don't have time to read such nonsense.
So, if, if Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Ghadiyan
is the Mahdi and the Messiah, then I
want to see him.
That night, I saw Hadhrat Masih Ibn Islam
and Hadhrat Masih Ibn Islam said to me,
if, no, he said, Islam is Ahmadiyyat and
Ahmadiyyat is Islam.
There is no difference between them.
And he said to me, if ever you
are in doubt again, pray in this position.
And I saw Hadhrat Masih Ibn Islam falling
in Sajdah.
Then I woke up shaking.
So, Imtiaz bhai, the evidence that Ahmadiyyat is
Islam is coming from a dream.
So, SubhanAllah, what's your opinion about this?
Or do you want me to continue playing?
It's up to you, inshallah.
But our point is made, inshallah.
Yes, Ahmad bhai, Jazakallah Khair.
So, this was just played as one, and
by the way, those who don't know, this
person, Ibrahim Nunan, he's an Irish Imam and
a Murabbi, or maybe some other titles.
And this person is the one, as Ahmad
bhai already alluded, he's the one that when
he came to speaker's corner more than, I
think, 15-16 months ago.
And Adnan Rashid bhai and him, they had
an encounter and very interesting discussion.
And that discussion actually triggered the whole process,
which eventually is continued without any interruption for
more than one and a half years, almost
now.
Now, this person, Ibrahim Nunan is saying that
when he wanted to conclude that, you know,
this Ahmadiyyat is the true Islam, how he
concluded?
In his dream, he is having a vision
of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad telling him that Islam
is Ahmadiyyat and Ahmadiyyat is Islam.
And this vision somehow, you know, it put
him in such a deep spiritual emotional state
and it convinced him, right?
Now, before we move forward, if you are
an Ahmadi and listening right now, or will
be listening to this live stream in the
future, let me ask a simple question.
Those of you who are aware of the
Christian faith, so if there's one person who
is considered the most influential person in the
entire Christian religion after Jesus Christ, this person
is Paul the Apostle.
Okay.
Now, if you read about Paul, what you
come, what you will come to know is
that Paul came, Paul was initially, according to
the Christian literature, primarily the Bible, the Gospels,
Paul was initially an enemy of Christianity and
Christian faith and he was persecuting the followers
of Jesus.
And this person, when he was on a
road trip to Damascus, on this road trip,
he had a vision of Jesus in which
he saw Jesus and this vision became the
reason for Paul to convert to the Christian
faith.
And then afterwards, what he concludes from this
vision, that he has been appointed as an
apostle to the Gentiles by Jesus, who are
Gentiles, non-Jews.
And according to Islamic scholarship and according to
the founder of Ahmadiyya movement as well, i
.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, this person, Paul,
is single-handedly responsible to change the teachings
of Jesus.
For example, this belief of atonement, it primarily
goes back to Paul.
I'm not discussing Christianity here.
There's a reason I mentioned this point right
in the beginning.
Now, my question to you is, when Paul
the Apostle, when he had this vision on
the road to Damascus in which he saw
Jesus, was it really Prophet Isa A.S.
or Jesus?
Would you believe that his vision was true?
I'm asking to the Ahmadiyya clergy because your
founder is telling us that Paul is the
one who changed the religion of Jesus.
Now, my question to you is, Paul is
telling us about his dream, about his vision
and he is convinced that the figure he
saw in the vision was really Jesus Christ.
And this vision was a true vision and
this vision became the reason for his conversion.
I'm asking you, the Ahmadiyya clergy, would you
agree with Paul's vision?
If yes, then your whole argument is finished.
Why?
Because in this case, your founder is telling
us that Paul went against the teachings of
Jesus.
How can he had a true vision of
Jesus and then going against his teachings?
And if you say no, you don't agree
with the vision of Paul and you don't
believe that his vision was a true vision
and you say that you don't believe that
he really saw Jesus in his vision, then
my question is, how come that your visions
are true visions and if somebody else has
a vision, that's a false vision?
What is the standard?
I hope that those of you in the
Ahmadiyya clergy who are not gone to that
extent, that you're not even willing to use
your own reasoning because if vision can be
used, now this is the key point here,
if visions can be used in order to
label something as true or false, then you
have to believe that the vision of Paul
was a true vision as well and secondly,
don't trust me, just go on the google,
go in the youtube and just put in
the search bar that my vision led me
to Jesus and you will come across hundreds
of videos in which people are telling that
how they had a vision of Jesus, how
Jesus came in their dream and guided them
to the Christian faith.
Now, would you believe in their dreams as
well?
Are their dreams true?
I don't think that you'll believe in them,
right?
But the question is then, what is the
criterion?
What is the principle?
And for your surprise, I'm going to play
something right in the beginning, you will really,
let me just, before I say something else,
let me just send that to Ahmed Bhai
and Inshallah, Ahmed Bhai can play that one
and this video of Mirza Tahir Ahmed, their
fourth caliph and by the way, you will
see in this video something about the dream
and this something is being narrated from Mirza
Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani, right?
And it will give you the answer for
what I'm trying to say right now in
this part, okay?
So give me just one second, Ahmed Bhai,
if you want to say something, most welcome,
I'm sending you the clip now.
Inshallah, Bhai.
Yeah, so this is the thing for our
Muslim viewers, we should actually even point to
our understanding of dreams as well.
It's not that as Muslims, we completely dispel
dreams, but we don't take any evidence for
the dreams because there's a hadith of Prophet
Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, where he said, nothing
is left of nabuwa and that is also
a hadith that clearly clearly says that there's
no prophet after Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam,
where he said that nothing is left of
nabuwa, except for al-mubasharat.
And he was asked by the sahaba, what
are those?
And he said that these are some good
dreams from Allah Subh'anaHu Wa Ta-A
'la and what it means is that we
don't take anything from these dreams except for
when a person wakes up, he feels happy
that Allah Subh'anaHu Wa Ta-A'la
has shown him something that he's happy about,
but dreams are not evidence in Islam.
You cannot see something in a dream and
wake up and say, now I start this,
I add this in sharia, this is the
evidence of this person being true or that
person being true inshallah.
So I just wanted to introduce this hadith
because it's very relevant to our topic and
inshallah this is another hadith in the whole
list of hadiths that prove that Prophet Muhammad
Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam was the last prophet inshallah.
Ahmed bhai, actually this hadith is definitely very
relevant and we can definitely draw some benefit
from this and I really want to thank
you that you reminded me of something.
So now this is the hadith on the
screen right now, before we share with you
this clip of Mirza Tahir Ahmed, let's read
the hadith and I will request to common
Ahmadis, look I'm begging to you, I'm begging
to you, please remove your glasses and just
look at the hadith as an unbiased person,
okay and don't try to discredit everything with
that rhetoric, oh anti-Ahmadi is saying that,
look at the hadith of our beloved master
Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, look what he
said, I heard Allah's messenger Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam
saying, nothing is left of the prophetism or
the prophethood you can say because this prophetism
is a term or you can say this
is a technical term, you may not have
used, we don't use in our daily language
but you can say nothing is left of
the prophethood except Al-Mubasharat, there's only one
exception, so prophethood has ended but there is
one thing that is left, before I go
to that one thing, if prophethood has not
ended, what is the point of this hadith,
think about this, what Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam is actually telling us, let's continue because
I just want to focus on the relevant
part now, so prophet is telling us that
there's only one thing that is left and
that is Al-Mubasharat and what are they,
they ask, so the companions may Allah be
pleased with all of them, they ask what
are Al-Mubasharat, so the companions are asking
to Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam that oh
prophet of Allah, what are Al-Mubasharat, okay,
Mubasharat is basically the glad tidings or the
good news, okay, Ahmed bhai it's not big
enough so I can read, if you can
make it a bit bigger, yes Inshallah, just
give me a second, so
as you can see now, you see there
is nothing left from the Nabuwwah, from the
prophethood except one thing that is Mubasharat and
now the companion are asking that oh prophet
of Allah, what are Mubasharat, prophet said the
true good dreams, okay and it explains in
another hadith that a good dream either you
have that or somebody else have that for
you, so basically obviously you can have a
dream in that dream, you can vision about
someone else, right, now look at this one,
what brother Ahmed was saying before, please pay
attention, someone's dream cannot prove something or cannot
disprove something, someone's dream cannot add something into
our sharia and cannot take something away from
the sharia, you may be thinking why, very
simple reason, if we are going to add
things or take away things from our religion
on the basis of dreams, just think about
the chaos we'll create, number one and number
two, if you may be thinking then what
is the point of a dream, the dream
is for that person himself or herself, a
dream cannot prove or disprove if somebody is
a prophet of Allah or not, for example
if somebody claims to be a prophet today
and the followers are going to tell you
okay you can pray to Allah, show me
in a dream if this person is a
true prophet, you can't do that because this
is a matter of deen, it is going
to be decided on the basis of Quran
and sunnah, so dreams are something subjective, that's
the key point here, dreams are subjective, if
dreams can prove something, this is the last
statement and I beg to common Ahmadis, please
pay attention, if dreams can be used as
evidence to establish the truthfulness of something then
what about the dreams of Hindus, they have
dreams, go and check on the YouTube, put
in the Google, all religions be it Christians,
be it Hindus, be it other religions, their
people are coming and they are telling us
about their dreams and they are exactly precisely
making the same point and the point is
that I had this dream and this dream
convinced me that my religion is true religion,
but you as Ahmadi clergy, you will not
take their beliefs as a proof to establish
that their religion is a true religion, then
why is it, because you have to be
consistent, if their dreams cannot prove that their
religion is a true religion, same has to
apply here as well and that's all we
are saying, now Inshallah, let's move on and
now Ahmad bhai, let's play the clip of
Mirza Tahir Ahmad and let's see what he
says, Now,
why from the beginning, from the beginning?
Okay, because some people may not understand the
Urdu, I just want to give you the
translation as well, so this person in the
presence of the fourth caliph, he says that
now this person is quoting something about Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani, okay, he says that somebody said
to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani that Mirza sahib,
someone had a filthy dream, now take a
pause here, you know why he called it
a filthy dream, because this dream was disapproving
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, so right in the beginning,
look at the bias, so if a dream
is going to prove Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, that's
a good dream, but if a dream is
going to disprove Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, that's a
false dream, but you may be thinking it's
my own interpretation, let's Inshallah see that he
will confirm this, now before I move forward,
so this person says to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
that somebody has this quote-unquote filthy dream
and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in response to this,
he said that as ahadith are accepted and
rejected, likewise dreams are accepted and rejected, up
till now, you may be okay, there's some
criteria and then Mirza Ghulam Ahmad gives the
criteria and the criteria he gives is, if
a dream is approving Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, it's
a true dream and if a dream is
disapproving Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, it's a false dream,
I mean those common Ahmadis who are always
boasting that they are reasonable, rational people, think
about this, is it really a criterion, now
before I show to you the response of
Mirza Tahir Ahmad, in which he will basically,
he will endorse the same idea, but before
that, let's go back from the beginning and
watch this first part again, in which Mirza
Ghulam Ahmad is telling his follower that if
a dream approves of me, that's a right
dream, but if a dream is disapproves of
me, it's a false dream, so Ahmad Bhai,
please Inshallah, play the first part again, so
this was the first part, now please people,
you tell me, is it really a criterion,
how biased is that, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
is clearly giving you a principle that a
dream will never be accepted, if it does
not approve me, is it really a criterion,
now let's see that what Mirza Tahir Ahmad
says in response to that, is he going
to agree, obviously he will agree, but let's
see how he agrees, okay, so
notice one thing here, when this person quoted
all of that, Mirza Tahir did not realize
that, who is saying this, who is the
person giving this principle that a dream is
only acceptable, if it approves Mirza Ghulam Qadiani,
at this point, Mirza Tahir Ahmad, the fourth
caliph, he did not know, so he first
confirmed that who is the person saying this,
so now once he knew, once he knew
that this is something said by Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad and you can all understand now, that
now he has to defend it at every
cost, so
you see that, we can just go to
Tahir's response, that
if there is a dream that goes against
the Holy Prophet, or goes against the Holy
Qur'an, then it is not acceptable, similarly
in dreams, some people write bad things about
the Promised Messiah, on whom be peace, that
he has told us that this is a
lie, God forbid, so a dream that does
not conform to that, a dream that does
not conform to Ahlul Islam, is not acceptable.
Okay, now look at this one, my dear
people, look at this one, first of all,
this is the game they play, the question
and the point was about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Qadiani, so first of all, in order to
blind, please people, please listen very carefully, in
order to blind the minds of common Ahmadis,
in order to draw that veil in front
of their eyes, he first equated that with
Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, now obviously, please
think about this, this is called a psychological
trick, now for example, if any Muslim would
ever have a vision, in which something is
being said or shown, which is contrary to
the teachings of Qur'an and Sunnah, right,
now this dream has to be a false
dream, we all agree, right, now in the
case of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, first of all,
he gave this comparison, why, so the common
Ahmadi should immediately be coming in that mindset,
in that state of mind, where they are
thinking of Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam and
Nauzubillah of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani in the same
frame, that's the first trick he played, okay,
now then he says, then he gives example,
Mirza Tahir Ahmad gives example, that sometime people
are given this vision, in which they are
told that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is a
liar, he says that these dreams have to
be rejected, now I want you to take
a pause here, if you are going to
present, now this is my main contention, this
is my main contention, please listen very carefully,
if you are going to use and present
dreams as an evidence to prove or disprove
something, then how can you make this criterion,
that if the dream is going to approve
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, it's a true dream and
if our dream is going to disprove Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani, it's a false dream, how can
you make this criterion, because this is not
really a criterion, it is absolute subjective biased
opinion, so that is the main contention, as
long as you are willing to agree that
dreams are something subjective, they do not prove
something and they neither approve something or they
neither disprove something, as long as you agree
with this one, we have no problem, as
long as you are saying that dreams are
subjective, but the problem becomes or the problem
kicks in, when you are trying to use
dreams as an objective criterion to verify the
truthfulness of the claims of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani,
that's the problem begins, now we do have
some other clips as well, in which we
can show you something of the similar nature,
Inshallah, I will show you in a minute
from Mirza Masoor Ahmed, the current Caliph of
Ahmadiyya Jama'at, but before that, I just
want to share something for a common Ahmadi,
that if you have dreams of that nature,
then I want to show you at least,
because your Jama'at will never tell you
that there are other dreams as well, which
are shown to the people, in order to
guide them back to Islam, in order for
people to denounce Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and to
leave Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, now obviously these dreams,
you have never been shown, okay, once again,
let me say something in black and white,
we are not saying that the dreams I
am going to present now, which are going
to disprove Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, they are objective
criterion, no, we'll be consistent, we will be
consistent, dreams are subjective, they can serve some
purpose for that particular individual, they cannot be
used as an objective criterion to verify the
truthfulness of something, after this disclaimer, now I
want to share with you at least couple
of dreams, and I want you to please
think about these dreams as well, because if
those dreams exist, which you are listening day
in day out in your community, in your
gathering, what about these dreams, let me just
share my screen first, then Inshallah, you will
know what I mean here, okay, now look
at this one, Amir bhai, is it clear
enough to see, so basically, accountability
of the Qadian religion, this is a compilation
of the books written by Muslim scholars of
old school of thought, in order to rebut
Ahmadiyya ideology, so there are multiple volumes, in
every volume, they have compiled the work of
different scholars, now what I am going to
share with you, you can find this one
in the first volume of and this is
about Lal Hussain Akhtar, before that, let me
just show you something on the top as
a title, so basically, if you can see
the title, Lal Hussain Akhtar, Rahimahullah, and this
is the Jild 1 or Volume 1, now
let me show to you, that this person
had some dreams as well, okay, and these
dreams became the reason, these dreams became the
reason, for this person to investigate this religion,
and eventually to leave Mirza Ghulam Qadian's religion,
and to come back to Islam, I am
not saying you agree with us, but let's
read the dream together, okay, now, dreams, One
night, I had
a dream,
in that dream, I saw a big field,
and in that field, there are thousands of
people standing, and they are wandering, and they
are, you know, in a state of shock,
and they are, they are lost, and they
are worried as well, lost and worried, and
he says, I am also one of, one
of them, it says that, in that field,
on all the four sides, they are very
tall pillars, made up of iron, and from
the ground to the feet of Adam, there
is a string of iron, it says that,
these pillars of iron, they are covered with
that fence, you know, that, that nobody can
climb the pillars, basically, okay, so they are,
there's a big field, and around that field,
there are iron pillars, and the pillars are
covered, or wrapped up, in that kind of
fence, and it says, there is no way
for anyone to exit this field, and these
thousands of people, they are basically imprisoned in
this field, it says that, some of these
people, I can recognize from their faces, the
author says, that I asked some of these
people, that why are we imprisoned, why are
we here, because this is the mindset
of a common Ahmadi, so you can see
it happening here as well, it says that,
when I asked these people, that why are
we here, so I am replied back, that
because we are Ahmadis, so our opponents have
basically imprisoned us in this place, and then
the author says, that from that field, where
I am standing, at a bit of distance,
there's a bed, and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
is sleeping in that bed, he doesn't know
that he is trying to escape us, the
author says, that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, who
is just sleeping at a bit distance, is
he not aware of our situation, why is
he not trying to liberate us, this person
says, none of us has any tool, the
author says, that none of us have any
tool, which can be used to cut this
wire, or to have any kind of exit,
or to make any exit, to leave this
field, the author says, I started to wander
around, all the four sides of this fence,
the author says, that when I was observing
this entire fence, I noticed that at one
point, it is a bit loose, the
author says, that when I reached to that
point, where I could see that this wire
was, or the fence thing was a bit
loose, so I pressed that with my feet,
and I tried to make some room, in
order to exit this field, the author says,
that somehow I managed to make enough room
to leave that fence, now something interesting coming,
he says, that at a distance I could
see a bed, it says, in that bed,
was sleeping with having a blanket over him,
the author says, that I went close to
the bed, and I was very respectful, it
says, in the meantime, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
removed the blanket from his face, he says,
that I saw that the face of Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani was almost two feet long, now
I'm not reading this to hurt your emotions,
in the state of wudu, Allah is my
witness, I'm reading this just to give you
that there is other side of the dreams
as well, are you aware of those dreams
as well, that's the whole point, you don't
have to agree with me right now, it
says, that I saw that the face of
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani is like a pig, it
says, one of the eyes was absolutely visionless,
it was closed, and the other eye was
very tiny, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani said to this
author, who's having this vision, Mirza said to
him in this vision, that I'm in a
very pitiful state, it says, that when Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani spoke, there was a very intense
filthy smell, it says, that I was shivering
with this smell and with this ugly face,
he says, that I could not sleep anymore
and I woke up, this is one dream,
very quickly, let's look at another dream as
well, it says, another dream, because if you
read this book in the context, the author
is telling us, that it was these dreams,
which basically triggered the process of investigating Ahmadiyya
for me and I end up leaving Ahmadiyya,
okay now, the author
says, that one night, I had a dream
and I see in that dream, that there's
a person, who is walking almost 200, what
is the word for gaz, Ahmad bhai?
Sorry, a word for what?
Gaz, like meter and gaz, so what is
the word for gaz?
I think yard or one yard.
Okay, thank you, yes, so it says, that
in that vision, I saw, that a person
is walking almost 200 yards in front of
me, he says, I am walking behind him,
it says, there is something, there is something,
that one end of that thingy, okay, when
one end of that thing is tied, one
end of this thing is tied to my
back it says, that one end of that
thing is tied with the back of that
person in front of me and the other
end of that thing is tied to my
neck, so basically, the scene is, there's this
author, who had this vision, he is walking
behind someone and the person in front of
him, there's something, a rod kind of thing,
so one end of the rod is tied
to the back of the person in front
and the other end is tied to the
neck of this author and he says, that
we are walking from west to the east
During the journey, on the right side of
the road, I saw a very handsome man,
it says, that on this journey, well, when
we are walking, on the side, I saw
somebody very handsome, white color, medium height, bright
eyes, white turban, white long kurta, white shalwar,
so then he described, that this person was
clothed in white clothes, very handsome man, and
this handsome man, who was on the side,
this handsome man said to the author, that
where are you heading?
I replied, that the person in front of
me, is taking me, wherever taking me, okay,
I'm basically a blind follower this handsome man
said, do you know, who is this person
in front of you?
and where he's gonna end up you in?
I said, that I don't know who is
this person and I don't know either, where
he is taking me to the handsome man
said, the handsome man said, that this
person in front of you is Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Qadiani and he's heading into Jahannam and
he's taking you to the same place the
author said, that I replied back to the
handsome man, that it's impossible, that there can
be a human being, who is willfully walking
towards Jahannam or hellfire and trying to take
others as well with him, the handsome man
said, that if this is your argument, that
nobody can do this in the right state
of mind, then what do you think about
Musaylimah Al-Kazzab, i.e. the false claimant
of prophethood in the lifetime of Nabi Muhammad
Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam the
handsome man said, is it not true, that
Musaylimah Al-Kazzab, he made a false claim
to be a prophet and then he willfully
took the path of Jahannam, because the author
was making an argument, that how is it
possible, that somebody willfully with consent is misguided
as Adnan bhai says, a willful kafir, you
know anyhow, so when this argument was made
by the handsome man, what argument, that is
it not true, that Musaylimah Al-Kazzab, he
made a false claim of prophethood and then
he willfully took the path of Jahannam the
author said, when I was not able to
answer this argument, then the handsome man said
to me, look in front of you when
I looked in front of me, I could
see redness from the ground to the sky
the author says that, when handsome man appointed,
sorry, when handsome man pointed to the sky
and when I looked at the sky, it
was red, I said, I don't know, sorry,
the handsome man said, did you know what
is this, I said, no, I don't know,
then the handsome man replied, so
the handsome man said, that the path you
are working on, in this path, because you
are following somebody in front of you and
you are going to end up into Jahannam
and then the author says, the author says
that, when this handsome man said all of
this and then he disappeared, and he said,
I was still walking behind Mirza Ghulam Qadiani
in this dream we were getting close to
this red thing, which was told to me
as Jahannam it says that, now I could
feel the heat it
says that, this handsome man appeared again and
this handsome man striked that thing, which was
tiding me with Mirza Ghulam, you remember in
the beginning, there was a thing, so one
end of that thing was tied to the
back of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and the other
end was tied to his neck, he said
that the handsome man appeared again, he struck
that thing and in this way he cut
off that thing, so basically I was free
from that kind of thing, which was dragging
me on that path and I was free
and I woke up, now after that you
can see the next book of starting, but
these two dreams of Lal Hussain Akhtar, Rahimahullah
he said that, these two dreams became the
main reason for me not to leave Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani but at least to start my
research and then he researched about this religion
and he left Ahmadiyyat or Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's
ideology, he came back to Islam and then
he became one of the main apologists or
one of the main debaters of his time
from Muslim side to debate to the Ahmadis,
to the point that Ahmadiyya Jamaat and their
Caliph, they officially issued an announcement in which
they said that no one should engage with
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, no one should engage with
Lal Hussain Akhtar in their debates, hello is
it not true that same thing is being
repeated, can you really convince yourself that these
Ahmadi clerics all in a sudden they all
disappeared for no reason, no this is one
of the old tactic of the Jamaat, when
somebody comes appears on the scene initially they
will engage in discussions dialogues and debates but
as soon as they realize that they are
actually creating more mess and it's not going
in their favor, why because the other person
knows about Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and his ideology
then they would immediately start retreating and withdrawing
from the discussion and then they will completely
disappear and guess what, this had always been
the pattern, this happened in the case of
this person Lal Hussain Akhtar Rahimahullah and same
thing happened in the case of our beloved
Adnan Rashid bhai and same thing has happened
in the past in many other cases so
anyhow this was this is not the point,
the point is the dreams, I'm asking the
common Ahmadis, these are the dreams which are
guiding this person to come back to Islam
and to leave Ahmadiyyat and you have already
seen in that video they are telling you
that don't trust these dreams, why why is
it that your dreams are trustworthy and the
dreams of other people are not, why is
that so inshallah we still have a lot
to cover so let me end this here
and I will take if brother Ahmad wants
to add something, Zia Ahmad bhai.
Yeah you very cleverly took yourself out as
the handsome man but we do consider you
that handsome man inshallah, the one in the
dream and this the second dream subhanallah is
to be honest I saw this reference for
the first time but it's very close to
our heart because we when we are discussing
with the people on twitter or social media
engaging with this layman Ahmadis, this is the
feeling we have to be honest, we actually
do see that you guys are tied to
this person who's taking you to hellfire and
we are trying to cut that cord and
inshallah this whole effort and the whole dawah
is to cut that cord inshallah just just
take that leap of faith and and for
a second step outside your your circle and
look at the evidence we're not saying to
just accept what you're saying whatever we are
saying but inshallah there's no harm to actually
look into the evidence and start looking at
the evidence rather than taking something subjective as
dreams and stuff of that sort which can
be actually engineered there are popular cults which
are known to to engineer dreams if like
they talk to you and make you and
say certain thing to make a c-specific
dream so inshallah this is this is a
very like this reference was very powerful in
that regard is that the string needs to
be broken inshallah before you die before you
reach that red horizon stop yourself before you
reach that red horizon because mirza is already
there wallahi wallahi none of us muslim want
you to reach that horizon subhanallah so ahmad
by inshallah too i would say that maybe
you can share the link in the in
the chat and at the same time i
have sent you a video we can play
the video as well and by the way
ahmad bhai if brother umar if he wants
to come at any point to you know
to add something or to comment please invite
him as well and i have just sent
you an other video and i'm just make
it a bit bit bit bigger because it
was too small last time so so people
can see you know a little bit of
face as well because i'll make it slightly
bigger i just made it due to the
strike i understand yeah for the for our
brothers who's listening umar mashallah is with us
but his internet connection is slightly weak so
subhanallah uh like uh he he's the he's
the guy i'm just his assistant but today
assistant is sitting here inshallah uh whenever umar
wants to come he he'll just let me
know and inshallah you're gonna hear from him
but we're just uh uh right now we
are just a bit of our hands are
tied because of his internet and uh i'm
just gonna pull this uh just me two
minutes inshallah yeah and ahmad bhai inshallah while
you are pulling this those who are watching
i'm going to share with you a very
i don't know that if interesting is the
right word because you will not find it
much interesting it will actually be very disgusting
but inshallah i will i'm going to share
you with you a dream of because you
know this dream thing is too much in
so i'm going to share with you a
dream of mirza basheeruddin mahmud ahmad and you
all know he's the muslim he is the
second caliph of ahmadiyya jamaat inshallah after this
video i'm gonna share his dream as well
and then i let you decide obviously he
had a dream and then he tried to
give it some meaning okay we'll present you
with a dream and then we'll let you
think that you know what meaning you can
give to this dream okay before that let's
inshallah watch what mirza masroor ahmad the current
caliph is telling us about the dream and
when you are watching this one because there
are many such clips by the way but
i just want to actually share some thoughts
because look the main thing is what i
said already dreams are something subjective don't use
them as an objective criterion to tell people
that these dreams are the proof that mirza
ghulam ahmad qadiani was a true messiah don't
use them they are subjective that's
the whole point so yeah that's that's good
i i am but that's good inshallah it
means that i can stop from my side
it's good inshallah now i will explain bit
by bit so for those of you who
don't understand urdu because i know that some
people are from other background now this sister
or this lady is saying that oh caliph
we ahmadis we place our trust in dreams
and then she will say something further and
then she says she she first said that
look we ahmadis we place a lot a
lot of trust in the dreams but then
she raised a very logical question that how
can we how can we be sure that
if this dream is true or if this
dream is really giving me some message what
is the principle what is the criterion right
let's watch he said that who has told
you this that you can trust every dream
and then he said i don't trust every
dream now you may be thinking okay then
which dream when the the moment you are
thinking that which dream should i trust immediately
recall what mirza tahir ahmad said and what
mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani said that for an
ahmadi if a dream is in line approving
mirza ghulam qadiani take it trust the dream
but if a dream is otherwise like i
gave you two examples of the dreams of
he says forget about this dream and you
may be thinking that it's my interpretation let's
watch he says that half half half of
the dreams are just our own desires he
said that this is the very reason i'm
asking you this question that how to trust
or not trust our dreams i'm
not going to comment on these light things
here and there just continue hmm
now comes to the point so inshallah because
like i said before the previous couple of
things he said they were just on a
light note we don't need to spend time
on that but now let's see inshallah now
the lady is saying something interesting let's inshallah
watch this bit now can you say something
about a prophet or mecca or kaaba that
is a good thing, it is a good
dream but in mecca or kaaba you should
see how you have been seen if you
see there i mean my personal experience my
personal experience ok if you see a dream
that has a meaning that makes sense then
ok that is a good thing Because, if
I tell you, like they call the Ka
'bah a Haram, I saw it in a
dream and it was written that if you
look at the Haram, there is no religion
or any type of honour in it.
Okay, it is a good thing to look
at the Ka'bah, if it is a
true dream, then it is a good thing.
Okay?
Yes.
So, some dreams are good, look at the
Ka'bah or look at a prophet, they
should have a true meaning.
But look at this, the prophet is saying
to you, like some non-Ahmadis say, we
saw, the Holy Prophet said that Hazrat Mirza
Ghulam Ahmad Sahib is not true.
These are false dreams.
This is the key point I wanted to
show to you, that all of them are
making the same one point.
Did you really listen to what he said?
He said that some of the non-Ahmadis,
they tell us about their dreams, that in
their dream, they have seen Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu
Alaihi Wasallam telling them that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani
was a liar.
And then Mirza Masoor Ahmad said that these
dreams are false, these are lies.
Take a pause here, take a pause here.
If a prophet or Mirza Ghulam Qadiani or
according to your claim, Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam coming to the dream of an Ahmadi
or coming to someone's dream, telling him or
her that Ahmadiyyat is true.
You would say, oh, this dream is a
true dream.
It is from Allah, right?
And he's saying that even if somebody is
telling you a dream, that in my dream,
I saw Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam telling
me that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is a
liar.
Mirza Masoor Ahmad is saying, don't trust this
dream.
It's a false dream.
Take a pause here.
Remove your glasses.
Be unbiased.
Now, let me tell you something very interesting.
We have hadith in which it is mentioned
that Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said, if
someone has seen me in his dream, it
is true that he has seen me because
shaitan cannot appear in my form.
Now, with regard to this hadith, our ulema,
our scholars, they have given us a principle.
And the principle is they said that, look,
this can apply primarily to the companions, the
sahaba, because they are the ones who have
seen Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam in reality.
So when they will see in vision, they
are sure it is him, right?
For somebody who is not a companion, who
has not seen Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam
like sahaba in reality, this person does not
know because it could be shaitan may be
coming and lying to you that I am
your prophet.
Shaitan definitely cannot assume the form of Nabi
Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
That's true.
But shaitan can lie.
He can be lying to you that I
am your prophet.
Now, why I said this?
Why I said this?
The reason I said this, if one of,
according to you, non-Ahmadi, i.e. Muslim,
if a Muslim makes such claim who is
not a companion, we will not take his
statement as a hujjah, as a binding statement.
Why?
Because he is not a companion.
Now, but why is it you as non
-Ahmadis, sorry, you as Ahmadis, you have also
not seen Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
So either you as Ahmadis or we as
Muslims, we are both in the same bucket,
on the same boat.
None of us can make any claim on
the basis of that.
But what I'm trying to point out is
that Mirza Masroor Ahmad is telling his community,
and this is something I really want you
to take home from this live stream.
Please pay attention, O Ahmadis.
Mirza Masroor Ahmad is telling his community, and
I will, inshallah, replay it in a minute,
that even if Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam
comes in your dream and says to you
that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a liar, you
still cannot trust that dream.
Now my question is, then why are you
talking about the dream anyways?
Then why is it that the day in,
day out, you are putting the videos on
your official platform in which somebody from a
Sikh background, somebody from a Hindu or Christian
background, telling us, oh, I had a dream,
and that dream, I was told in a
dream that become Ahmadi.
Why is it?
Because even if, according to you, even if
Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam comes in the
dream, even still you cannot take his words
if he says Mirza was a liar.
Then what is the point?
I am asking you, what is the point
of dreams?
It means that dreams are not any criterion.
Let me repeat this, okay?
So you can really see what I am
saying here.
Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is saying that,
like some non-Ahmadis say, we saw that
Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said,
that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is
not true, that he has false dreams.
You see?
Then what is the point?
Then how can we use a dream?
Because even if such dreams can be a
lie, then I don't know how you use
a dream as a criterion.
He says that all of these dreams are
fabricated.
Some are fabricated, but if it is a
true dream, then does it mean that the
whole meaning of a dream, the whole scene,
is also made up of these dreams?
It means that this is the point, this
is the very point I am trying to
highlight again and again, that it is your
dream versus my dream.
Your dreams are necessarily false dreams, and my
dreams are by default the true dreams.
Is it really a criterion?
And sometimes the names that are seen in
dreams, they also have certain meanings.
But those who have a habit of seeing
dreams, more than half of their dreams are
dreams.
As it is, the psychologists, the psychiatrists say,
or rather those who know, that every human
being has normal dreams.
So anyhow, then he goes, he says that,
you know, if you are too much into
having these dreams, then most of your dreams
are not true.
So the point is, if this is the
principle, that dreams do not have any place
in terms of affirming or disapproving the truth,
then what is the point of dreams?
Then why the Ahmadiyya community is so obsessed
with the dreams?
And if dreams have any role to play,
if dreams can prove anything, then on what
basis you can just cancel all the dreams
of quote-unquote non-Ahmadis, okay?
Now, before I move further, I just want
to share one more video.
Give me one second.
Ahmad Bhai, if you want to add something,
you are more than welcome.
I'll just send you one more video.
Inshallah.
So I just wanted to point out something
that I realized during my research for today,
is that, like you said, these cultures are
completely, completely infatuated, and they're completely into dreams.
If you just type Ahmadiyyat dream, you'll get
hundreds of videos on YouTube.
So they're completely obsessed about dreams for some
reason, most probably because, like Imtiaz Bhai said,
once you don't have evidences, then you resort
to evidence in a dream.
And truly, the only evidence you have is
the evidence in a dream, inshallah.
So just give me one minute, Imtiaz Bhai,
to pull this.
Okay.
Dear Huzoor, my name is...
Now, basically, let me tell you first why
I'm showing you this clip now, the one
which is on the screen right now.
Look, if dreams are so important, then I
want you to think about one question.
Is it not true that if somebody is
going to assume the position of the Ahmadiyya
Caliph or the Ahmadiyya leader, okay?
Now, this is something very important.
And the question is, should this person not
have a dream?
Because if there can be dreams for trivial
matters, for something very small, what about this
huge, big, gigantic matter, which is the Khilafah,
okay?
Let's see what the Caliph is saying about
this, quote-unquote, gigantic matter of Khilafah, okay?
Now, let's see what he says.
My name is Sabiha Jamal.
Beloved Huzoor, my name is Sabiha Jamal.
My question is, when you were about to
leave for the Khilafat, did you have any
dreams about Khilafat before that?
No, I did not have any dreams, neither
before nor after.
Do you understand?
Yes, people had seen it.
Those who had not used the right to
vote, they had seen dreams.
Therefore, either Allah the Almighty had already placed
some people in their hearts and they had
not seen dreams, or Allah the Almighty had
placed some people in their hearts on that
occasion, but I had not seen any dreams,
okay?
And I could never have imagined that I
would reach this position.
Anyhow, the reason I am showing you this,
he is saying that I have not seen
any dream either before becoming the Caliph or
after becoming the Caliph of Jamaat Ahmadiyya.
Now, the point is, you are telling us
about the importance of dreams.
I want you to think about this.
If dreams are so important, if dreams are
the source for you, to guiding you to
what is the right decision or what is
the right thing to do, why is it
not that your Caliph is not having any
dream?
Why?
Because this was something very important.
And he is saying that he did not
have any dream either before or after.
Then how Allah guided him about this issue
of Khilafah?
Think about this, because I am not saying
that it is a principle in your religion
that there should be a dream for every...
I am not saying that.
All I am saying is, that if dreams
are important, if dreams are a source for
guiding someone to the right decision, then how
would you not agree that your Caliph must
have a dream about this issue of Khilafah?
He said, I did not have any dream.
Then why are dreams important anyway?
So, anyhow, Ahmed Bhai, I have sent you
something because...
I was just...
Let me just...
Because no one else is here.
So, I have to mute myself.
Meanwhile, what we can do is a fun
exercise, I think.
So, all our viewers, Muslims and Ahmadis, they
are welcome to send us an email if
you are seeing a dream regarding Qadianism or
Ahmadiyyat, whether it is true or false.
Let us all poll and see how many
people have seen a dream regarding Ahmadiyyat being
true and how many have done it regarding
Ahmadiyyat being false.
SubhanAllah, because this is how we are going
to settle this, I think.
So, because in the arena of evidences, the
Qadianism, the Ahmadiyyat, and their Murabbis have been
completely knocked out by Imtiaz and Ahmed Bhai.
So, actually, we are out of evidences from
their front.
So, let us now settle it on dreams.
SubhanAllah.
Ahmed Bhai, I have sent you a video.
If you can play that video from six
minutes onward.
Yes, from six minutes, please.
And just make it a bit slow.
Maybe 0.75. While doing this,
during my education, I started to think more
about this.
So, during that time, I also had some
dreams.
In my dreams, I saw light.
And there were many other dreams like this.
I heard the word Qahaf many times in
my dreams.
When I got to know the meaning of
it, it was that there is a big
change in your life if you read the
incident of Saba Qahaf.
And apart from this, there were two or
three other dreams like this, which clearly had
a sign from Allah that I am going
in the right direction.
So, this...
Now, those who don't understand Urdu, this sister,
it's a complete video on the YouTube.
You can access this video on...
There's a YouTube channel called KTV.
Khatme Nabuwat TV.
And on that one, there are many videos
of those ex-Ahmadis whom Allah guided to
the fold of Islam.
This sister is one of those, mashallah, blessed
people whom Allah guided to the fold of
Islam.
And you can clearly see, she's telling you
that during her research, during her journey, she
had a lot of visions, dreams.
And she was shown light.
She was shown the world, Qahaf or cave.
And she said that she had many other
dreams and the meanings of those dreams were
very clear to me that I am heading
on the right path.
Now, again, I am not saying that her
dreams are an objective criterion.
No, I'm not saying that.
But I'm appealing to your conscience that when
this sister is having all of these dreams
and these dreams are leading her to leave
Ahmadiyyat, for you, they are not the proof
that Ahmadiyyat is a false vision.
But on the contrary, when somebody is having
a dream and in that dream, he is
guided towards Ahmadiyyat, those dreams are true dreams.
What is the criterion?
If you want to use dreams, then be
consistent.
Then these dreams are equally important.
These dreams are equally the proof that the
Ahmadiyya ideology is false.
So, by the way, if you just go
on the YouTube and you watch these stories
of those people who left Ahmadiyyat, you will
be surprised.
That in many cases, they were dreams.
Allah guided them in their dreams, through dreams.
And those dreams became the reason.
So, this is all I'm trying to point
out.
And like I said earlier, there's a very
interesting dream of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, which,
inshallah, we will read together in a minute.
But please think about this.
Think about this and revisit this mindset, this
frame of work in which you are giving
too much importance to the dreams.
To the point, some of you already know
that one Ahmadi activist, he's not a murabbi,
we know that, but he's very active for
many, many years, Azeem Bhatt, the one I
debated on the issue of Khatm-un-Nabuwah.
He has appeared a couple of times on
the TikTok broad, and he said to me,
he said, look, let's settle the matter through
dreams.
He said that if you will bring one
dream to disprove Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, I will
bring five dreams.
And I asked him the same question.
I said, look, if one dream is telling
you Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a liar, and
one dream is telling you Mirza Ghulam Qadiani
was truthful, which one to trust?
And if you say, trust the one which
says he was truthful, then that's not a
criterion.
That's all I'm trying to emphasize and point
out again and again and again, that consider
the dreams of this sister as well.
If dreams have any role to play for
you to know the truth.
Ahmed bhai, if you want to say something,
then Inshallah, I'm going to bring those dreams
of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood.
Yes, SubhanAllah.
This has been extremely, extremely interesting.
And SubhanAllah, you see that, like for me,
the way it is set up is that
the Qadiani's idea on dreams is that if
it's ours, our dreams are true.
By default, and then all the dreams that
go against our understanding are false.
But we will still use dreams as criterion
for truth and false.
I don't know how it works.
Like every single thing about the religion, this
is like complete baffling.
Inshallah.
One thing I want to say, this is
usually what Umar bhai always comes and says,
Inshallah, brothers, keep the chat nice and clean.
SubhanAllah, like Imtiaz bhai, our platform is for
respectful discussions with Ahmadiyyat.
And we are giving them da'wah.
So Inshallah, we'll keep it clean.
I know there are Qadianis who just come
and abuse and start these discussions.
But Inshallah, just stay put.
Every time we see something that doesn't meet
our standards, we just delete it or hide
it, Inshallah.
So do not engage with them.
Do not waste your time, Inshallah, and keep
the chats very, very clean.
JazakAllah khairan.
Okay, Inshallah.
Ahmad bhai, let me share my screen.
And we read together one of the dreams
of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad.
So basically, first of all, let me give
you the reference.
This is Al-Fazl, which is the official
organ of the Jama'at.
1st of May, 1948.
It is nearly one year after the birth
of Pakistan.
Okay, now, there are many things here, but
I just want to save your time.
Let's go to the dream straight away.
Okay.
I saw, who is this I?
Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, Musleh Maud, or the
second caliph.
Okay.
He said that, I saw myself in a
vision that I am in Qadian.
He says that I am in that same
toilet in which Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani used
to relieve himself.
And it has that same seat made up
of wood as it used to be in
the time of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
And you know, back in the days, obviously,
they did not have these modern toilets.
So there's a seat, and underneath that seat,
there's a pot in which people relieve themselves.
He says this is the scene.
Look, I know I'm being very, you know,
graphic here in this translation, but I have
to, because this has some relevance in the
dream as well.
Anyhow, let's move on.
Okay.
Now, please have this vision in your mind,
or this image in your mind, that is
a toilet.
And in that toilet, Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad
is sitting on that toilet seat.
He says that I am as though as
I am relieving myself.
Now, I don't know.
Look, either you are relieving yourself or you
are not.
What do you mean that as though as
I'm relieving myself?
Anyhow.
It says that I have very loose motion.
Okay.
And then this loose motion spread.
Okay.
And some of it basically fell on the
seat, on the toilet seat as well.
Now, when I started to clean myself, I
felt as if I am tilted.
So, I felt as if I am tilted.
As though as I'm about to fall off
the seat.
It says that when I was tilted and
I was about to fall, in that moment,
some of that, you know, what I spread
around, some of that just, you know, stick,
some of them just, you know, went on
my, on my pant as well.
Okay.
So, there's a, what he's doing there, the
loose motion, it's all over the place.
And then some of it is on his
pant as well.
It says that when I, when I try
to basically, you know, control myself in terms
of when I try to balance myself, I
tilted towards the other side.
Basically, now, in the long story short, those
who understand Urdu, you know, what's happening here,
okay.
There's a loose motion which is spread around,
which is on the toilet seat as well.
And now, this loose motion is basically on
the pant of Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood.
Okay.
Now, It says that then I started to
clean all of that with the water.
And I was, I was concerned that there
may not be enough water, so that I
can clean my pant as well.
Because don't forget that now there is, the
whole thing is just on his pant as
well.
And he said that I purified myself.
Don't forget, all of this is happening on
that toilet seat.
Don't forget this main part.
He says that I started to make ablution
in that same place.
Okay.
Now, all of this is happening on that
same toilet seat.
Okay.
He said that on that same toilet seat,
I cleaned myself.
I made ablution or wudu.
And I started to pray.
And instead of facing to the Qibla, I
was facing the other side.
And it is not my opinion, Inshallah.
I'll show you in a minute that the
Qibla was in the opposite direction.
Anyways, okay.
Now, he's giving the
all the, you know, the dimensions that where
this toilet was, and in which direction their
mosque was, etc.
And then it says that in the mosque,
Okay.
First, he gives us the direction that, you
know, where is the toilet, and which direction
is the mosque, etc.
And then he says, He says there are
few rooms in between the mosque and the
toilet.
And this toilet is about, you know, 30
plus yards in the direction of, what is
north, south, in the south.
Now, I want you to imagine this scene.
All of this is happening in the toilet.
And he is, in the entire, you know,
this drama, he's on the toilet seat.
And now, somehow, there are three people in
that same toilet as well.
And one is standing on his right, and
two standing on his left.
It says that, I feel like, on the
right side, somebody is without any, you know,
basically a clean shave person.
And on the left side, there was one
person like Mian Ghulam Muhammad Akhtar, one of
their guys.
And with them, there is a young man
without a beard and a moustache.
Because he said that, on the right, there
was one person.
On the left, there were two people.
And one on each side was clean shaved.
Now, somehow, Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood is actually praying
on that toilet seat, with all of that
filth, which you have already seen in the
previous line.
And then, they are having this congregational Jamaat
in that toilet.
I don't know how, but that's what he
said.
He said that, I was really concerned, and
I was really wondering, that where I would
make my prostration.
He said that, on the toilet seat, there
is filth, there is shit on the toilet
seat.
And I was thinking that, how am I
going to make my prostration here?
And where my followers are standing, that place
is basically not the purified place.
It's basically a place of urine and the
toilet thing, basically.
It says that, the person on the right,
even though he's also on a toilet seat,
but once again, it's also part of the
same toilet.
He said that, in all of this state,
I looked at my feet.
He said that, I was surprised that all
in a sudden, this toilet seat has converted
into something on which you can pray.
And somehow, it's very clean.
He said that, likewise, the spot on which
the other people are standing next to me,
it's also clean, and there's no shit or
filth on that.
He said that, I continued my prayer.
It says that, when I bowed down in
my ruku, and when I got up from
my bowing down position, I felt that as
though there is some sort of whispering, which
made me realize that, in the Masjid Mubarak,
which is the mosque in their Qadian, people
are praying as well, and they are also
praying in congregation.
So, there are two scenes.
There is one prayer happening in their Masjid,
and there's one prayer happening here in the
toilet.
Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood and three people with him,
they are praying in the toilet, and the
rest are praying basically in the Masjid.
And then it says that, This is what
I said in the beginning, that he was
facing the wrong direction.
The people in the Masjid are facing the
Qibla.
They are facing towards the Qibla, which is
in the west, not in the east.
And then he says that, we continued the
prayer, etc.
Now, let's move on.
He says, He says, I can't remember if
I completed my prayer or I just woke
up in the middle of my prayer.
It says that, when I woke up, I
was surprised.
What is it?
It says, I was facing towards the east,
which is the wrong direction.
Now, the main thing.
It says that, why was I praying in
the toilet?
Because there was a mosque nearby.
And then he gives the meaning.
It says that, toilet.
Now, again, at this point, I am not
going into pointing out how he was fabricating
things in terms of interpretation of the dream.
He says that, toilet in the Arabic is
called Baraz.
We have brother Umar with us.
You don't need to trust me or any
one of us.
Go and do your own research.
Basically saying that, the world for toilet and
the world for fighting.
It says these are the same world.
Baraz is used for the toilet and Baraz
is used for the fighting.
So basically, he's trying to give this interpretation
that the interpretation of the toilet is the
fight.
I don't want to go into these details,
but let's just see if there's something else.
And then basically, he gave the interpretation that
all of this was basically a scene of
a fight.
A fight between Ahmadis and non-Ahmadis.
And eventually, they will come as victorious, etc.
I will come to that point.
I just want to show you one point
here.
Look at this one.
When he is interpreting the dream, he says
the following as well.
Basically, you can say the gist of his
dream is how he linked all of that.
You can read for yourself.
There is no way to link in a
logical sense that how you link such a
disgusting dream with all of this interpretation.
But that's not our subject right now.
I just want to give you one thing
from his interpretation that can tell you that
he was wrong.
He said that we'll keep progressing until a
point will come when we will take over
Qadian.
Don't forget, this was 1948.
Okay, now partition has happened.
And he is telling his followers that one
of the interpretation or one thing in the
interpretation of the dream is that they are
going to take over Qadian again.
I want you just to do a bit
of research.
That what is the condition of this Jamaat
in Qadian right now.
Go and do your research.
And do your research on this topic as
well.
That how likely is that that they are
going to be the custodian quote unquote custodian
of Qadian again.
Go and read all of that.
Just go and look at the number of
their Jamaat in Qadian.
But leave all of that aside.
Now, obviously, your Khalif is giving you one
interpretation.
The dream you have already seen in this
page.
If you were the one who had this
dream, would you ever be able to think
that this dream is telling you that Ahmadiyyat
is the true religion and it's going to
spread.
Mr. Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, in all of
this shit and filth, praying in the wrong
direction, praying in the toilet, praying with a
handful of people, I'm just pointing to a
few things.
Please think about this.
What is the interpretation of all of this
filth in which he is just covered?
It's not.
I'm just making it up.
You have seen already.
My dear Kamal Ahmadi, you have seen already
that your Khalif is stuck in this filth,
praying in the wrong direction.
Despite the mosque is nearby, he is not
in the mosque, he is not with the
congregation.
He is with a handful of just three
people with him.
So now think about this.
Obviously, I'm not saying anything.
It's just what is given to us as
information, as data.
Let's try to understand this.
Let's try to give another interpretation to this
dream.
That on the one hand, you have the
Muslim congregation, the Muslim Ummah, praying in the
right direction, praying in the mosque.
On the other hand, you have the Ahmadi
or Qadiani Khalif, praying in the wrong direction,
praying in that shit and filth.
This is in the dream.
If this dream, if this information is giving
you the confidence that Ahmadiyya ideology is the
right one, go for it.
But if this dream, and by the way,
this is not something you can say, you
know, as allegation on the Jamaat.
This is something mentioned by them.
They themselves are telling us that this is
the dream they had.
And, and look at this one.
Did they get or have they ever been
able to take Qadian back?
Think about this.
Why he was saying all of that?
I leave it with you.
A lot can be said.
Let's inshallah end the discussion here.
And I would love to listen from Ahmad
that from this entrusting dream, what he learned.
SubhanAllah.
So I've got a very simple interpretation of
this.
SubhanAllah.
When we always hear that and also happened
to us when we were kids, when you're
dreaming that you're in the washroom as a
kid, what usually is happening is you're wetting
the bed.
Usually that is the case.
But SubhanAllah, this is also a very interesting
reference for me in a way that you
see what the quality of writing he was
producing and the dream he was producing of,
of feces and dirt and, and, and something
completely, you know, that is unnatural against our
fitrah, right.
And, and, and also all over, all, all
over himself and then using such filth and
turning it around and trying to make it
as the delil for an, as an evidence
for his truth.
This is exactly what Qadianism is.
This is exactly what the murabbis do all
the time.
They take the filth of Mirza, the writings
of Mirza, the abuses of Mirza, the things
that he has said to the, to the
prophets, the things that he has said to
Maryam Alayhi Salaam, that is absolute filth.
That is exactly what he saw in the
dream.
It's absolute filth.
And then they turn around and try to
make it as evidence for the religion and
try to push it down our throat saying
that this is, this is what the evidence
for, for our case is.
So this dream, because they like metaphors, right?
So metaphorically, this dream exactly, exactly shows that
what their methodology is.
Their methodology is taking something that is absolutely
filthy.
Uh, like, like a brother in the comments
said, I had just started eating and this
started swallowing.
So this is something absolutely, absolutely filthy.
And they're going to just turn around and
try to make it and see the audacity.
One thing that really, really, really surprises me
is the audacity of these people, right?
He saw, he might've seen this dream.
We're not contesting that.
He could have just left it out because
Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said that once
you see a dream that is bad, and
this is clearly not bad.
It is like, there's no, beyond a shadow
of a doubt, this is a bad dream.
Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said, spit on
your left side and do not narrate this
dream to anyone because it's from shaitan.
But you taking this and then publicizing it,
all this filth, and then trying to make
it as some sort of a weird evidence
for, and this is what we also want,
like Imtiaz Bhai said, we also want the
Lehman Ahmadi people to see.
See, this is the evidence they present.
And this is then how they twist and
turn, uh, and make it to, to seem
like that they have some sort of defense,
right?
So just think about this.
Would you ever, like Imtiaz Bhai said, would
you ever in your right mind, see something
so filthy and at the end of the
day, take out of it that they're going
to take over Qadian or it is about
fighting, sitting on the washroom, uh, with probable
diarrhea.
How does that equate to fighting?
SubhanAllah.
And how wasn't jihad banned by Mirza anyway?
SubhanAllah.
This is like, you know, unfathomable.
SubhanAllah.
I don't know what else can be.
This is like Clara's day, what it is.
And I apologize.
We have to present this kind of evidence
because, like, I know it's unfathomable and it's
filthy to when we Muslims hear all this,
but SubhanAllah, this is the price we have
to pay for da'wah to these people,
InshaAllah.
Ahmed Ben, InshaAllah, if you want to bring
somebody, uh, most welcome.
Uh, Mubasheruddin Furqan Bhai, you're online.
Yeah.
Assalamu Alaikum, Imtiaz Bhai.
Can you hear me?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just had a question in regards to
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani's death.
This Qadiani defend something else and there's something
written.
Can you please clarify in that regard?
How exactly was his death?
I mean, how did he die and where
did he die?
Brother, I look, I don't want to discuss
that topic.
I would, I would appreciate InshaAllah that if
you just respect our decision, I don't want
to discuss that.
No, understandable.
Fine.
If something else you want to ask, you're
the most welcome.
No, no, Imtiaz Bhai.
No worries.
JazakAllah Khairun, Brother Mubasheruddin.
And SubhanAllah, this is, I think what Imtiaz
Bhai has also touched upon before.
SubhanAllah, we have such a strong theological case
against this.
And there are like, there are a million
other problems with the cult and there are
a million other problems in terms of the
personalities of the people attached to this cult.
But our reason, our Da'wah is not
to tear down the Ahmadis or push them
away.
Our Da'wah is to call them and
present the evidences that would bring them to
Islam rather than get into this, these things.
And then the Murabbis are just going to
use as soundbites.
And they have been, they just keep implanting
this into their laymen that Maulvis do this
and Maulvis say this.
Like Imtiaz Bhai said earlier also, they say
we use bad language and nobody on this
platform has ever used bad language at all.
And I've never, like, never been disrespectful.
It is also against our belief totally.
And we have to control our emotions.
SubhanAllah, it takes a lot of effort to
control our emotions.
But we do it, why?
Is to bring the laymen, Ahmadis back to
Islam, InshaAllah.
And if anybody converts, that is our main
purpose.
So InshaAllah we stick to the theological topics.
And you have seen in the past one
year that without touching any of those personal
attacks or personal mistakes are the shortcomings of
their leaders.
We have dismantled, Alhamdulillah, Adnan Bhai and Imtiaz
Bhai have dismantled the whole Jamaat.
And they're, like, on the run right now
using just the writings of Mirza and their
theological writings and stuff like that.
InshaAllah we have another brother, our brother Muhammad.
Can you verify yourself so I can take
you on the stage, please?
InshaAllah while we are waiting for the brother
to verify Imtiaz Bhai, do you have something
else to share with us?
I was actually looking for another video clip
just to, you know, because we are discussing,
we can't just come back to this topic,
maybe at least in the near future.
So unless they have some rebuttal and they
want to confront this information or they want
to confront our conclusion.
So I just wanted to look for something.
So InshaAllah.
Yes, InshaAllah.
What a few things that I noticed is,
like you said, it is not a new
phenomena that they've used this.
They've always been using phenomena.
There are a lot of videos of Mirza
Tahir, the fourth caliph, in his early days
narrating writings from different people saying that, like,
they saw dreams and that is how they
know.
And they've also have, like, these videos throughout
the timeline.
If you look at the YouTube, do this
YouTube search.
So they have been using this point repeatedly
again and again that people actually saw these
dreams and came to Ahmadiyyat.
A point, an interesting point, it's an irrelevant,
interesting point, but just because Adnan Bhai is,
sorry, Imtiaz Bhai is sharing something, shares this
random thing just came to my mind because
I don't know how many of you have
seen it.
This is actually a website which is called
This Man.
So a psychiatrist, actually, a mental patient drew
this picture and a psychiatrist just took this
picture and posted online and asked how many
people have seen this person.
So from 2006, there are about 8000 people
who claim they have seen the same person
in the dream.
And so on principle, the dreams, the whole
idea that dreams have some legitimacy or hold
any legitimacy.
Then this, seeing this person, I think more
people have seen this person compared to Mirza
Qadiani, Mirza Qadiani.
So he, this, whoever that person is, he's
an imaginary person.
This imaginary person has more of evidence, a
point to make to any claim he wants
to make.
So this, there's actually like Imtiaz Bhai said,
what you're going to do about the Hindus
and the Christians and the atheists and all
these different religions, all of them seeing dreams
for the truthfulness of their particular religion or
a religion for that matter.
What are you going to do about all
that data, right?
If you're going to just stand on dreams.
The only way that they could have used
this evidence was that put a caveat there
that the only dreams that stand are the
ones that are in our favor.
And I don't know how that does that
game work.
Why are your dreams true and my dreams
not true?
SubhanAllah.
So I think so Imtiaz Bhai, you're still
looking for that video?
Yes.
So you're muted, Bhai.
Just one particular clip I just wanted to
play, but inshallah if there is something backstage
you can bring him on.
And inshallah as soon as I find that,
I'll share with you.
Okay.
Pablo, do you want your video on or
do you want to turn it off before
I take you?
Okay, good.
You're on stage.
Welcome to our stream.
Go ahead.
Okay, you just left.
Do you want to?
SubhanAllah.
Yes, Pablo, you're on stage.
Alhamdulillah.
You hear me?
Yes, inshallah.
Assalamu alaikum.
Walaikum salam.
Aki, I'm a new Muslim.
My whole family is Christian and Catholic and
I was raised in a Catholic grandmom house.
My family, I'm the only Muslim in my
family.
There's no support here.
I only get support.
Like my support is, you know, the books
that I order from Amazon or Knowledge of
Brotherhood I see online, like you, like one
of my favorites.
So I got a question about Allah.
He has sifat and some guys was questioning
me about this and I have like no
knowledge about like Allah's sifat that he was
saying he has a hand or two hands
and a shin.
So I want to know what the sheikhs
say about that.
So Allah, if you can do that.
Or maybe I can take another time because
y'all was talking about something else.
Inshallah.
First of all, welcome to Islam.
You're now our brother and you're part of
the two billion people, people on earth who
are your brothers and sisters in Islam.
So welcome and make dua for us, inshallah.
And hopefully Allah make it easy for you
and your journey easy for you and you
grow from here.
And inshallah we meet in Jannah, you and
I and all of us, inshallah.
We have, inshallah, if you can leave because
like you said, the discussion is about something
else.
Inshallah, if you can leave your contact details,
we can connect with you in the chat,
in the private chat, inshallah.
There's only moderators there.
So we can contact you and we can
have like in that discussion about it.
I don't know if Imtiaz wants to.
Alhamdulillah, yeah, yeah, inshallah, because that's like I
said, I live in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, and there's
like no support here.
And if I go to the masjid here,
they're all Arabic brothers.
Inshallah, inshallah, we will find you support.
Don't worry about this.
Alhamdulillah, like I said, there are a lot
of brothers out there who live in the
U.S. And inshallah, we will find you
the support you want.
But this is like, I'll let Imtiaz, I'll
see if he wants to answer or not,
but definitely connect with us, inshallah, and we
can have a chat.
I'll leave my contact, brother, don't have to
answer that.
We could just continue on to what I'll
just keep watching what she was talking about,
Kulayani or whatever that dude was, the liar,
I guess.
So inshallah, I appreciate your brothers.
I'm gonna leave my contact.
Love you for the sake of Allah.
SubhanAllah, inshallah, we'll make contact with you.
As-salamu alaykum, Qadir Bey, you're online, please
unmute yourself.
Yeah, thank you.
I'm online, yes.
Qadir Bey, you want to comment on something?
You have any questions?
Most welcome, brother.
I don't have any questions at the moment.
Okay, then inshallah, you can stay backstage.
You can, inshallah, watch the rest of the
stream.
And just in case if something comes to
your mind, you want to comment something, we'll
bring you back on the stage, inshallah.
Is it okay?
Inshallah, it's okay.
Yes, inshallah, just wave your hand and we'll
bring you back.
Inshallah.
Okay, Bashir Bhai.
As-salamu alaykum, Bhai, how are you, Bhai?
Wa alaykum as-salam wa rahmatullah.
Bashir Bhai, what's happening in the dreams?
Tell us something about the dreams.
Because people really want to, you know, get
some insight from your side as well.
Because you've been part of this whole thing,
you know, for a big chunk of your
life.
And your family is still around.
Did I freeze?
No, no, you are fine.
You're fine.
Yeah, now you're frozen.
Now you're frozen.
Oh, sorry about that, brother.
On my side, there was some lagging.
But I just wanted to say, in terms
of the dreams, Nabeel Qureshi had a dream.
And that's why he left Amity.
He was a famous one to leave.
And it was because he had some dream
about...
So, you know, in 2024, to rely on
dreams and not research, it's almost a disservice.
Because the research is there.
You don't have to rely on how you
feel.
But I wanted to comment, this is part
of the return to Qadian prophecy.
And the second Qadiani Amni Khalifa was in
Lahore.
I don't even think he was in Rabwah
yet.
Because he didn't move to Rabwah, I think,
till like 1949-ish.
So he's in Lahore at Ratan Bagh, I
think.
And he's getting these dreams.
And that was also called a Batadwa.
That's where Mr. Ghulam Ahmed got the red
drops.
The famous prophecy of the red drops.
But it used to be a bathroom.
And then they turned it into like Batadwa.
So I don't know when they turned it
into Batadwa.
Maybe it was after the partition.
But those are just my brief comments.
And in a different era, some of the
kids wonder why we have to do wudu
five times a day.
This is the reason, brother.
You know, now you can take a shower
and it's very easy to clean yourself.
You know what I mean?
In those days, there were some complications.
So those are just my brief comments, brother.
I was actually just trying to give my
contact information.
So the brother from Lebanon, Pennsylvania, if he
had any questions, he can reach out.
I don't know where he went.
But brother, look, we're available 24-7 on
many platforms.
We are here to help.
And those are my brief thoughts, brother Imtiaz.
Where do we go from here?
And Bashir bhai, if you can put your
email address in the comments, we can display
here.
So inshallah, if he wants to contact, he
can contact you as well.
Sounds good.
And it's just AhmadiyyaFactCheckBlog at Gmail.
Pretty easy.
Look, the way to get a hold of
me on any level is AhmadiyyaFactCheckBlog, Gmail, Instagram,
Facebook, wherever Allah allows me time to put
my information, brother.
Yeah, exactly.
And by the way, they had put up
a sign in Rabwah saying everyone who is
buried here will eventually go to Qadian.
And they were really, brother Imtiaz, I've proposed
this many times.
They can go to India instead of England,
instead of Germany, instead of Canada.
Just go to Qadian.
There's no Muslims there.
They say Muslims are bad.
It's not true.
But who's going to harass you in Qadian?
There's no one there.
You have no enemies at all.
Maybe the Sikhs have done some things.
But why not move back?
Qadianis were the only group of Pakistanis who
were getting visas to go to India.
As you know, if you have a Pakistani
passport, you're not getting a visa, bro.
You have to give up the passport.
And then still, there's going to be a
lot of scrutiny.
Forget about the passport.
I have a few people here who live
in Australia.
They have an Australian passport.
But because they were born in Pakistan, even
they can't get the visa.
Right, right.
Because the Indian government, you know.
But if you were a Qadiani, you could
go through Lahore, through the border.
And a lot of them used to go
to Qadian.
It was part from America.
They would have a contingent come for Jalsa.
And they'd go to Rabwah first or Qadian
first and then cross the border.
And everything was fine.
And to be fair, because as Muslims, we're
fair in our criticism.
Some Sikhs also got a visa for Pakistan
as Indians to go to, I think, Baba
Nanak's grave is right across the river or
something like that.
And also, this is how Qadianis got visas
to go to London for Jalsa.
Because they made it like their religious event.
Like their official and et cetera, et cetera.
So look, in Qadian, they're in trouble.
Pull up the videos of Mirza Tahir Ahmed
in 1991.
He's walking around.
There's a guy with a machine gun.
Like, this is a big rifle.
You know, it's not just one shot.
This is like many shots, you know.
So there's a huge security risk in Qadian.
And they're just afraid to go back.
Brother, look, in India, they can call themselves
Muslim and everything.
What's the problem?
What's the problem?
Ah, they can't do Tabligh.
And that's why they ran from India in
the first place.
Because the Hindus don't allow it.
They're in majority, you know.
And if you believe in democracy.
But anyhow, those are my thoughts, brother.
And you know, Bashir Bhai, I also want
the common Ahmadis to think about this.
That Mirza Ghulam Qadiani said that the true
God is the one who sent his prophet
in Qadian.
And then he used to call that Qadian
is the place of the messenger of God,
you know.
Now, the point is, they always tell us
that everything in Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, you have
to go and compare with, Nauzubillah, Nabi Muhammad
Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
So, Bashir Bhai, let's use the same principle,
okay.
Nabi Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, his preaching started
in Mecca.
And then we all know the whole history,
that how things become very difficult for Muslims
in Mecca.
Eventually, they have to migrate.
But within the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu
Alaihi Wasallam, both Mecca and Medina and Hijaz,
they became under the control of Muslims.
And Mecca and Medina became the Muslim-only
cities.
No non-Muslim was allowed to live in
those.
If you want, either accept Islam or within
the four months, you leave this area.
This is in the Quran, Surah Tawbah, okay.
Now, the point is, why not you compare
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani here?
Because you are telling us that Ahmadiyyat is
spreading all over the world.
What about Qadian?
It should first be established in Qadian.
Why?
Because you want to compare everything to who?
To Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
Jeebashir Bhai, what do you think about this?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, and that's maybe why K2 said, we're
going to return.
We're going to return the same way.
It'll be Fatah, like it was Fatah Mecca.
Maybe it'll be Fatah Qadian.
Doesn't look like it.
Doesn't seem like it.
And you know, the train is what really
hurt him.
You know, in 1928, I think, the train
station was built.
And you know, British government paid for it.
You know, it's one line.
You know, now it's got multiple stops.
But in 1947, Sikhs from Pakistan were able
to catch the train to Qadian, you know.
And a lot of things happened, brother.
Like, I think a few people who they
allege were Sikhs threw grenades into the Masjid
Aqsa, into the Temple Aqsa.
And so there was a lot going on.
The majority of the shaheeds, of Ahmadis that
were killed, and I think in all the
persecution, if you go back 90 years, was
in Qadian.
There's over 20 to 30.
So they're in big trouble.
They don't even want to go to India.
And brother, I looked it up.
They don't even have 10 temples in India,
which is hard to believe.
You know, they have like four in Qadian,
like two in Kashmir.
The rest of the country is a bunch
of mission houses, you know.
So where they have full religious freedom to
call texts, to say whatever they want, or
do whatever they want, it still didn't work.
It still didn't work.
So and this is just a net, you
know, it gives you the mentality of K2.
He would just say, what is he saying?
You know, someone should have stepped in and
say, no, no, this dream do not publish.
Because it's too embarrassing.
It's too embarrassing.
But these guys are delusional.
What about that diarrhea dream?
And then from that dream, Mirza Bashir Ahmad,
Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood is telling us that they're
going to get back Qadian from the diarrhea
dream.
And then it never happened.
It never, even now, when it's possible, they're
not going.
In 1991, Mirza Tahir Ahmad has so many
political connections.
He got a visa.
He got a visa for India.
A, that's A.
B, he could have stayed.
He could have said, I want to be,
I want to move back to Ahmadiyya Mahalla
or something like that.
Or a neighboring village.
We'll take a neighboring village and then slowly
do it.
They didn't do any of it because they
don't want to.
You know, it's an asylum business, an asylum
game.
That's the reason people join jobs, wives and
asylum.
So, you know, and it's real sad to
me, brother, especially as you know, I'm a
guy who I did all the hard work,
man.
I went after the books.
I can barely read Urdu.
I can, you know, my Arabic is not
the best.
I went and reverse engineered books.
It takes time, time and time and time.
And to see Noonan just say, I saw
a dream and that's it.
That's not fair.
That's not fair.
And it's a dead give off.
These guys didn't do any research, you know,
and that's why that day against the non,
we saw Noonan has no scholarship at all.
Yeah, exactly.
So, Shabshi Bhai, stay with us.
Let's take somebody else as well.
Inshallah, continue the discussion.
I mean, Hassan Bhai, first of all, I
would say that all the du'as which
you made for us, for our team, may
Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala accept these du
'as for all Muslims.
And secondly, even though, yes, you said that
we can translate, but, you know, Hassan Bhai,
majority of the Ahmadi Qadianis who are watching
or who will be watching, they understand Urdu,
even though some of them cannot speak well,
but they understand Inshallah.
So your point was very clear, very, very
clear.
Inshallah, it will reach to them because, you
know, what comes from the heart, it goes
to the heart.
Because what you said, there was not a
script, you know, there was your own genuine
passion and compassion and feelings and your own
good wishes for this community that you wish
for them, that they could see all of
that, that how all of this can be
compared to Islam and how all of that
can be defended in terms of, you know,
being the Islamic teaching.
For example, in all of these dreams we
are discussing today, I mean, the dream of
this Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, subhanAllah, what these
dreams have to do?
They are so disgusting, you can't even read
them, you know, subhanAllah, you can't even read
them.
And wallah, you know, sometimes, not just this
dream, there are many things which we are
reading, translating and quoting.
But subhanAllah, it's difficult for us as well.
But what we can do?
We got no other option.
So brother Hassan, definitely you will be in
our du'as and please you keep us
in your du'as as well.
And Inshallah, you are part of this noble
cause because you have concern for this cause
and you have concern for this community.
And Inshallah, your concern is definitely making you
part of this whole team, Inshallah.
And please, you know, make lots of du
'as for us that may Allah grant us
complete ikhlas, sincerity and may Allah grant us
success.
And what we mean by success is that
may Allah remove this veil from the eyes
of this community and they can see the
truth that these teachings, these principles, you know,
these beliefs, they have nothing to do with
Islam.
I always give this one example because it's
very simple to understand, very simple for a
common person.
In Islam, there is no such thing that
Prophet Isa was put on the cross.
But in Ahmadiyya, this is where everything begins.
Because in Ahmadiyya narrative, this is one of
the key points that Isa was put on
the cross.
And lastly, even last night, I was doing
a bit more research on the topic of
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani accusing Prophet Isa of
being a drunkard or being an alcoholic, you
know.
Because
whatever you are doing, it is to increase
the honour of Prophet Isa.
Thank you very much.
And yes, inshallah, please make dua that may
Allah allow us to do this noble job.
It's a job in the sense that it's
an obligation of the Muslim Ummah.
And may Allah allow us to do in
the best way possible.
And we are full of shortcomings.
May Allah rectify our affairs.
May Allah remove our shortcomings.
And may Allah open the hearts and minds
of the common Ahmadis.
Thank you very much and welcome in the
future as well.
Your mic is muted.
Yeah, so I think he just left.
We didn't do anything.
Okay, no problem.
Jee Bashir Bhai, how people are going to,
you know, justify all of this?
How common Ahmadis are going to justify all
of this on Yawm ul Qiyamah?
Allah will not accept it, especially in 2024.
There's no excuse in 2024 to be in
the dark.
You know, some of the older women were,
you know, some of my grandmothers were illiterate.
You know, I don't know what Allah's gonna,
how Allah will deal with them, however He
likes.
But, you know, you're looking for a sign.
All you had to do was read the
Quran.
It was really that easy.
It was, and if you had a book
of Hadith, go find Bukhari.
You find the Hadith, you know, and then
what answer could you give?
You know, whatever answer they're going to give,
Allah already knows what they're going to say.
You know, so, you know, brother, and I
have family members involved in this.
So I'm in deep and they're going to
be in a lot of trouble.
Totally, totally.
Because as you said, Bashir bhai, that especially
in this time and age, when information and
research is so easy, all it needs, do
you really want to research?
It just wants a genuine will and willingness.
That's it.
After that, the doors are just open for
you.
So I wish, you know, and subhanAllah, you
know, Bashir bhai, what really surprises me that
especially those who are living in the Western
countries, they are very well educated.
How do they justify all of this for
themselves?
Because how can you believe in all of
this?
So, Walla, I can't really reconcile this, that
someone even educated from a worldly point of
view, from a secular education, you still, you
know, your horizon is very broad.
How can you believe in all of that,
which is full with contradictions, you know, filled
with basically things which are not historically correct,
which we know with surety, subhanAllah.
Especially, brother, when Allah has allowed the truth
to be revealed within everyone's lifetime.
You know, there's so many things that we've
learned that, you know, and I'll tell you,
it's the Western education.
It takes you away from Allah, you know.
When I was a kid, they were teaching
me evolution.
I believed it.
I believe we all came from the island
of Galapagos or something like this, and we
all evolved, and we all came out of
Africa, and there used to be dinosaurs, and
there used to be fossils, there used to
be these strange creatures, you know.
But I know now not a single creature
has ever went extinct.
This is, Allah has a perfect system.
Allah created this perfect system to run forever,
until he feels like shutting it down, you
know.
So, you know, and that's the story, is
if you were Western educated, then you weren't
really educated.
You were, maybe you were taught how to
read and write.
But, you know, when I was a kid,
my dad used to always talk about the
short term and the long term, and he
said, we plan for the long term.
Well, if you're planning for the long term,
then you should worry about where are we
going to go from here?
When you die, it's going to happen like
this, right?
Because in 40 years, it'll go by just
like that.
It'll be over.
Where are you going to go?
You know, that's what people should think about,
you know.
I was at the gym playing basketball with
some of my Hindu friends, and I was
telling my brother, I think differently nowadays.
And they were like, why?
I said, I feel like I'm closer to
Allah now, because I'm older, and I'm getting
closer to the time where I have to
go see the Day of Judgment, and I
have to go show my face, you know,
and I'm preparing for that.
So MDs aren't prepared for nothing.
For them, it's only this dunya.
So whoever you can steal from, get asylum,
go to America.
I'd rather be poor in Pakistan my whole
life.
At least I get Jannah.
That's the reward.
That's what this is all about.
But they don't even believe in the descriptions
of Jannah.
You know, maybe for them, Jannah is just,
you know, a place, like a room or
something.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But I believe in all the descriptions of
Jannah in the Hadith and the Quran, you
know, and it gives me a yakinan, you
know, that I'm going to the right place.
So that, I think, is the entire issue.
It's the Western fogging up the brain, brother.
You know, brother Bashir, it's very interesting and
very crucial, what you said towards the end
of your comments, that this belief in afterlife,
this concern that I have to go back
to my creator, to my Lord, and I
will be questioned about my life, and it
will be me, not somebody else.
SubhanAllah, you know, I spoke to many people
in the past couple of weeks.
They said that, and some of them have
actually been studying at Jamia Ahmadiyya at one
point.
They said that this was that one of
those one major things, which caused them to
think about the Ahmadiyya ideology.
They said that if you speak to 10
well-versed Ahmadis, those who know the ideology,
if you talk to 10 of them, you
will get 10 answers about what is afterlife.
They said that somebody would say, eventually, you
know, everything will perish.
There's no eternal life in Jannah.
There's no eternal thing in Jahannam.
It will perish eventually.
And as you know, brother Bashir, some of
them quoting Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood Ahmad, that even
shaitan will end up going into Jannah eventually.
He said that, I was just thinking that
we've been taught that Muslims were divided in
different sects, and you know, they were on
the misguidance, and that's why Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Qadiani came to revive Islam.
But we could not even get one answer,
one unanimous answer about afterlife from the entire
teachings of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and all the
caliphs.
Everyone has his own opinion.
If you read the works of Mirza Tahi,
for example, you get one understanding of quote
-unquote afterlife.
If you read the works of Bashiruddin Mahmood
Ahmad, you get a different understanding.
And then, you know, as they changed sometime
this word Akhira into believing in Mirza Ghulam
Qadiani, you know.
So, subhanAllah, you know, this is that one
thing which can cause people to think about
their behavior, and they have diluted, they have
clouded this one thing, i.e. afterlife.
Totally, brother, totally.
You know, I've taught many people who I
work with, you know, like OJT, and I
taught them the right way.
I taught them how to fix airplanes, how
to whatever, and I never wanted anything for
it.
I don't even want the swab that Allah
will give me.
But they asked me why, and I said,
I just, you know, I want to help
people just in general, you know, and I'm
not looking to put it on Twitter.
You know what I mean?
You know, so, you know, coincidentally, Allah will
reward, you know, he says clearly in the
Quran, you know, he's going to reward people
for what they've done, you know.
So, I don't know what they think, brother.
You know, some of my uncles, they lie
for a nickel or lie for a dollar.
I never understood that.
Why would you lie for, you're committed a
sin for nothing, for nothing.
Who cares about a hundred dollars or a
hundred rupees, but this many sins on your
head, you know, it's not going to work
out.
You're going to be in Jahannam forever, you
know, unless you're Muslim, you know, and maybe
you could get out.
It's up to Allah.
But yeah, brother, I don't really understand what
people think or what they do.
I think about Allah every morning, you know,
and that's the purpose of Salah is to
remember Allah.
You know, our elders used to always say,
you know what I mean?
You should know that this is if you
really believe in Islam, then you really believe
in heaven and *, and you don't want
to go to * at any cost.
So, yeah, brother, that's correct.
So, I think we have brother Dr. Nasir
Ali.
Let's take Dr. Nasir Ali.
Let's talk to him.
Assalamu alaikum, brother Nasir.
Assalamu alaikum, brother Imtiaz, brother Bashir.
How are you, people?
Walaikum assalam, brother Nasir, how are you?
Alhamdulillah, this is my third time on the
stream.
This is every time the weekend is blessed
with the stream.
So, brother Imtiaz, I have a question.
He wrote a book in 1886, Irshadat-e
-Kamalat.
Do you know about that?
Irshadat-e-Kamalat.
You can quote something, then I can remember.
Okay, maybe I'm forgetting the name.
No, just really quick, in 1886 was Shana
-e-Haq, and there's another one.
But not, you know, Ayn-e-Kamalat-e
-Islam is 1896.
Yes, yes, yes, that is Ayn-e-Kamalat,
I think.
He said that Allah has promised me that
I will have many wives and I will
have abundant of kids.
So, can you tell me after 1886, did
he marry or did he have children or
not?
It's not about just the children.
The main point was, the main point was,
he said that after his jillah in Hoshiarpur,
this is how everything started, okay.
He said that after I dedicated that time
to Allah in Hoshiarpur, then he has given
me this glad tiding that they are going
to be some blessed women, Babarkat Orte.
The word is Babarkat Orte.
He said that they are going to be
some blessed, and this was in 1886.
This prophecy comes from 1886.
He said that they are going to be
some blessed women whom I will marry after
this.
And from those women, I will have my
progeny.
But yes, that is a factual thing that
after that, he never married to anyone.
And our beloved Ustad Adnan Rashid bhai.
Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
Waalaikumussalam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh, brothers.
Assalamualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
Waalaikumussalam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
Brothers, I apologize for joining late because I
had guests around.
So I'll just finish with the guests.
So in that way, the only crush he
had, the Muhammadi Begum, he didn't got her.
And in 1886, he said that God has
promised me that I will marry some good
women and I will have good progeny and
abundant of children.
So that prophecy was also not fulfilled.
So what do the Qadiani explain this?
How do they explain this?
They said they would simply say that it
was not about marriage.
It was just to guide that family.
And then they would say that this many
people from that family eventually were guided to
Ahmadiyya religion.
And that's how the prophecy was fulfilled.
On the other hand, obviously, this is the
last conversation, bhai.
Then we'll just move on to the next
topic.
So basically, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani said in black
and white, and we have presented that multiple
times.
He said that God has informed me that
I should make my marriage with Muhammadi Begum
as a criterion to verify my truthfulness or
my falsehood.
And then he further clarified.
He said that I have not said this
until Allah has informed me.
And then on the top of that, he
took an oath as well.
And then, as you said, Hasan bhai, the
rest is the history.
This marriage never took place.
And obviously, when a prophecy is not fulfilled,
then people have to do some sort of
justification.
They have to say something.
But the point is, what they are saying,
does it really justify to the failed prophecy?
That's the main question.
And the answer is no.
Because when God was telling Mirza, that's the
angle Adnan bhai is always going to this
particular angle.
That when God was telling Mirza Ghulam Qadiani
that make this marriage a criterion, does God
know at that time this marriage will not
take place?
There is a question from Adnan bhai.
Adnan bhai, can a prophet of Allah die
such a disgraceful death?
What do you say about that?
No, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala does not
humiliate his prophets in giving them a death
that puts question marks on their integrity.
Yes, prophets have been killed.
Yes, prophets have been chopped up.
Prophets have been assassinated.
Prophets have been decapitated.
But dying in your own feces, dying in
your own filth, I don't find any precedence
of that.
I don't find any precedence of that.
So there is no precedent, right?
So and in this case, you have to
understand something.
There is something very unique about Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Qadiani.
Okay, in this case, it was his own
prayer, it was his own declaration, his own
proclamation that came to pass.
He said, he said while praying that, Oh
Allah, kill the liar, kill the liar within
the life of the truthful one.
When he was referring to Allah, you know,
he said, Oh Allah, this person is basically,
you know, claiming things, challenging me.
Okay, one of us is a liar and
the other one is truthful.
Okay, Oh Allah, kill the liar in the
life of the truthful one.
And then he prayed for Haiza, what we
call, you know, cholera, cholera.
Okay, basically diarrhea, extreme bouts of diarrhea.
Mirza literally died within a very short time
of this prayer.
Okay, and he himself proved it, that he
was the liar.
By his own standard, he died within the
life of Sanaullah Amr Sari, because Sanaullah Amr
Sari died in 1948, 40 years after Mirza
died, 40 years.
This alone is enough to convince anyone that
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was shown to be
a liar by Allah.
Allah chose that he will be shown to
be a liar to the whole world.
But for some reason, his followers are very,
very stubborn.
What we call in the Urdu language, dheet.
You know dheet, with someone dheet, with someone
stubborn, you can bring the heavens down.
You can bring, you can break stars, you
can split the moon, you can bring the
sun down.
They will not accept, because, They are deaf,
dumb and blind.
Their hearts are sealed and they will not
believe.
They will not return to Allah.
So, da'wah is for those who are
willing to listen and to evaluate and assess.
For those who keep telling us that, Oh,
many came before you, they died, we are
not going to believe.
They're telling us we're not going to believe.
No matter what reasons you bring to us,
what, you know, revelations you might expose to
us, okay, we're not going to believe.
We're not going to leave Mirza, no matter
what happens.
So, how do you argue with people like
that?
You can't argue with people like that.
So, we are talking to those who are
destined for Jannah.
We are reaching out to those people, Inshallah.
So, you know, this issue of Mirza being
humiliated by dying in his own filth, or
by, you know, the fact that he died
of cholera, he died of diarrhea, a serious
bout of diarrhea.
This was his own doing.
This was his own doing because he said,
Oh Allah, kill the liar in the life
of the truthful one and kill him with
heza, with cholera.
What more do you need?
And that proved that he was a liar.
And okay, look, if Mirza was truthful, if
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was truthful, he would
have been the last person to die of
cholera on this planet.
Because if Allah wanted him to be known
as truthful, if Allah wanted the world to
follow him, if Allah truly loved him, Allah
would never kill him of cholera.
Allah would never kill him of diarrhea.
But Allah chose to kill him of diarrhea
because this is what proved that he was
an outright liar.
Anyone listening right now, if you're sincere, this
in itself is enough.
So Imtiaz Bhai, what is the Ijtihar called?
Akhri Ilan?
What is it called?
Akhri Faisla.
Akhri Faisla.
Go and check out Akhri Faisla.
Check out Akhri Faisla, the last judgment.
Mirza called it the last judgment.
And what was that?
Oh Allah, kill the liar in the life
of the truthful one and kill him by
Heza, by cholera.
And what happens?
Mirza dies within days and he dies of
cholera.
He dies.
Wake up.
Wake up and see that what Allah is
trying to do.
These screams are happening so that you can
see this evidence and save yourself from hellfire.
And you know Adnan Bhai, just to add
one thing about this Akhri Faisla.
Obviously, ever since Ahmadiyya Jamaat is in denial
that this thing actually did take place as
a result of that supplication of Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad.
Adnan Bhai, the interesting thing is, there happened
a debate.
Sanaullah, Rasool Rahimullah was on the one side
and there was a Qadiani debate on the
other side.
And we have three judges.
One Muslim, one Ahmadi and one non-Muslim.
Now, after that debate, the panel decided and
the verdict of the panel was that Sanaullah
is the winner.
He has proven his case.
And what is the case?
That Mirza Ghulam Qadiani did die as a
result of his own supplication and it proves
that he was a liar.
So, Alhamdulillah, Imtiaz Bhai, our target is, Inshallah,
the common people of Qadianis, you know the
Murabbis, they are not repairable.
They are irreparable.
They are doing this for money, for dollars,
for euros.
So, they are not our audience.
Inshallah, most of the Ahmadi Qadiani will revert
to Islam eventually, sooner or later.
That's what we are hoping.
Inshallah.
Inshallah.
Thank you, JazakAllah, brothers.
Thank you.
JazakAllah, Dr. Nasir, for coming.
Inshallah, we have our beloved brother, Naseer.
As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
Wa alaykum as-salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.
Yeah, it's good to see you again, Adnan
Bhai, Imtiaz Bhai and Ahmed Bhai.
When Imtiaz Bhai was reading that reference about
their Khalifa, believe me, I was having a
tea.
I dropped my tea.
I can't even drink my tea listening to
that filthy dream of that Khalifa.
I don't know how they comprehend, how Ahmadis
comprehend that their Khalifa is telling the dream
of the toiletry and about shit, filth, urine,
these sort of things.
How?
I don't understand.
Is there any, any sort of Hadith you
have listened like this?
Any sort of ayah of Quran they have
listened like this?
These things are the signs of Satan.
I don't know.
How did they even comprehend that Hadith?
And secondly, I have a question with Imtiaz
Bhai.
Is there any dream of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Qadiani seeing a woman with transparent clothes?
In that transparent clothes, he can see his
body.
Did you have any dream like this in
Ruhani Khazain?
I'm brother.
He claimed to have saw Sheikh Batalobi naked.
That's like a man, you know.
So, I mean, this isn't anything.
Even Mohammadi Begum, even Mohammadi Begum.
He had a dream about Mohammadi Begum.
Yes, yes.
And he saw her without clothes.
Yes, yes.
That, that thing, when Imtiaz Bhai will come,
he has a reference.
So, he should also tell us about that
reference.
No, no, look, look, look.
Even if he had the dream, let's say.
Even if he had the dream, this is
supposed to be a prophet.
I claim this is not even a Sharif
Admi.
He's not even a decent man, let alone
a prophet.
And I will prove that.
Let me explain how.
Mohammadi Begum got married to another man called
Sultan Beg.
Mirza Sultan Beg.
She's a married woman.
And Mirza had a dream about her.
Let's assume he had a dream about her.
Dreams can be satanic and they can be
divine in nature.
Divine in the sense that they are like,
you know, like an inspiration.
They give good direction.
Yeah, good direction or inspiration.
In case Qadianis cut this out and start
saying, oh, look, Adnan Rashid believes in divine
dreams and revelations.
After Mohammad, knowing these people.
But let's say Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani had
this dream where he saw Mohammadi Begum naked.
Let's say that.
I don't even like to say this because
she was a believing woman.
She has passed away.
And may Allah reward her for all the
hardship and all the difficulties she went through
because of this indecent man called Mirza.
Let's say he had the dream.
Let's assume for a second he had the
dream.
Why would you make that dream public when
you know the woman is married?
When you know she is someone else's daughter.
When she is not married to you.
She's not your wife.
You can't even make a dream like this
public, even if it's about your wife.
Even if it's about your wife.
Why are you talking like this about a
Muslim woman?
Okay.
Publicly humiliating her.
Putting her to shame.
Okay.
And you know Adnan Bhai when Mirza Ghulam,
you know how he stopped from these dreams
of Mohammadi Begum.
It's very interesting.
There was a guy called Jafar Zatelli.
So basically he started to publish the dreams
of Nusrat Jahan Begum.
He started to look.
We are not endorsing him as well.
But he was making Mirza Ghulam Qadiani taste
his own medicine.
And we don't agree with it.
No, we don't agree with it.
And just as the Qadianis would be offended
by any enemy of the Qadianis, any opponent
of the Qadianis attempting to insult, humiliate or
downgrade or degrade a woman of Mirza Ghulam
Qadiani, one of his wives, let's say.
And they start saying, I'm having a dream
or we are having dreams about that woman
in this way.
They would be highly offended.
Someone published a picture of Mirza Masroor's wife.
We know this for a fact.
And they went berserk.
They put him on trial.
They started to sue him.
And this was not a naked picture.
This was the picture of Mirza Masroor's wife.
Someone put it publicly and they sent him
threats.
They wanted to sue him.
OK, and we understand why they felt offended,
because it's a woman.
And, you know, publishing the picture of a
woman like that, they didn't like it.
And we understand why.
We understand why.
The issue is now, how can Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Qadiani make dreams about a believing woman
who is not related to him?
She's not mahram to him.
And he's making those dreams public.
Can you imagine?
What were the people, the enemies of the
Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam were doing?
You know, they were insulting the women of
Medina.
You know, what was the crime of Ka
'b bin Ashraf?
Ka'b bin Ashraf, the Jewish poet, you
know, what was his crime?
One of the crimes he committed was that
he was describing the women of Medina in
a very derogatory sexual way.
And then.
The rest is history.
We know what happened.
OK, so Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani publishing dreams
of a Muslim woman about her that I
saw her naked in my dream without clothes.
What the * is wrong with you, man?
Then he hugged him also in the dream.
Thank you.
So what is he trying to do?
What is he trying to tell people?
That I am intimate with a woman I'm
not married to.
She's someone else's wife.
She's someone else's daughter.
So where is your sense of decency?
If any man spoke about a woman, a
Qadiani woman, which we don't endorse, we don't
promote.
OK, and we don't encourage.
But if any man spoke like that, how
would the Qadianis feel today if someone spoke
about your daughter, your wife, your mother like
that?
Well, your prophet was doing it.
And, you know, Narbhai, in this entire picture,
in this entire narrative about Mohammadi Begum, we
have a simple question.
What was the fault of Mohammadi Begum?
What was her fault?
Her fault was because she was Mohammadi Begum
and Mirza fell in love with her.
Mirza wanted to marry her.
It became his obsession.
And Imtiaz Bhai, do you have the reference,
the very reference what we're talking about in
case people are curious, what are we actually
talking about and what he actually said?
Yes, thank you very much.
This is very important to show the reference
to the people.
Even Adnan Bhai, another thing is this, that
even the woman or any person who is
non-believer, even he's your enemy, you can't,
you can't show this dream to the people
and announce this dream to the people.
The noble man cannot do this.
And I'm very, and I'm very, very surprised
that in Lahore, Pakistan, here I meet many
Qadiyanis, a few of them are my friends.
Everybody saw dream, everybody.
If you meet one Qadiyani, he will tell
you his dream.
You meet another Qadiyani, he will tell his
dream.
And even in the family of Mirza, the
daughter of Mirza Tahir, he has dream about
Mirza Masoor.
Mirza Masoor have the dreams.
Everybody have dreams.
Yeah, one second, but sorry to cut you
off.
Yeah, and interestingly, Mirza Tahir Ahmed didn't see
a dream about Nida and she was living
next door.
So, sorry, go ahead.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
For some reason, yeah, again, you know, imagine,
imagine, you know, someone talking like this about
Qadiyani women and yeah, and look, dreams, dreams,
what do they prove?
Especially when they are evil and satanic, what
do they prove?
For example, there are Christians around the world.
I have met Christians personally.
Okay, you can preach to them till the
cows come home that the Trinity is false.
You are, you are Mary worshippers.
You are Jesus worshippers.
You are not God worshippers.
You can do that all day long.
They will turn around and say, well, you
know, you can say what you like.
I had Jesus in my dream and he
appeared to me and he told me, yeah,
follow me and worship me or I had
Mary in my dream.
I saw I had a vision of Mary.
She told me, pray to me.
Absolutely right, absolutely right.
So are we supposed to accept those dreams?
These Qadiyanis, some of them, it is possible
the shaitan is bringing these dreams to them.
It is possible that jinns are bringing, shayateen
are inspiring these dreams so that they fall
into kufr.
It's very possible.
Just like it happens to Christians who have
visions of Mary and Jesus telling them to
worship them.
Are we, are we to believe them now?
Are we to believe them?
So dreams are relative.
They are not binding upon anyone unless they
are dreams of prophets, true prophets.
Okay.
So Imtiaz Bhai is looking for the reference
while he's digging out this reference.
It's very, very clear.
Yeah, yes.
Let me just say with the Muhammadi Begum,
he was also offering them a Muslim old
prophecy.
He's saying, no, with this woman, she'll have
the promised son.
That's the extra side, the extra fish that
he was giving out.
He said, look, not only will you inherit
my land after I die, well, the woman
wouldn't, but the children somehow, even though in
Islam, you know, but they didn't really follow
the Islamic inheritance law.
But yeah, so he was offering the Muslim
old prophecy and Imtiaz is that.
So Allah got that wrong as well.
Ahmed Bhai, if you can please put on
the screen, I shared reference already.
Ahmed Bhai?
Adnan Bhai, do you know that hadith that
the Huzoor s.a.w. has said that
all Wahi is closed, only the Mubashirat, which
is the good dreams.
Naveed Bhai, let's deal with the reference.
Inshallah, we can discuss something else.
Okay, Adnan Bhai, I will read, or maybe
Adnan Bhai, if you can read and translate
for the people, please.
Okay, 25th July, 1892.
Okay, the reference is, if you make it
slightly bigger Imtiaz Bhai, I can't read it
like this.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Sorry, one second.
I'm trying to make this big.
The text is not becoming big for some
reason.
You know, one second, one second.
I'm trying to, yeah, just give me, let
me, let me just turn the camera.
Okay, so yeah, now I can see it.
Okay, I saw a dream, four o'clock
in the morning, okay, that my wife, the
mother of Bashiruddin Mahmood and another woman are
sitting there and I filled a container of
water with water.
And I lifted this container of water, a
leather container of water, and I brought it
to a pitcher and I filled the pitcher
of water.
While I was pouring water, that other woman
who was sitting in red clothing, she was
wearing red bright clothing, she came close to
me.
I see that this is a young woman.
She is dressed in red color from head
to toe.
Apparently, it looked like she's wearing a clothing
of net, which can be seen through.
I thought in my heart that this is
the same woman about whom I have been
publishing advertisements.
Okay, public pronouncements.
But when I saw, she looked like my
wife.
Basically, basically, she said, or she said in
her heart that I am here for you
now.
I have come for you or I have
come now.
I said to Allah, let her come or
let her, you know, let this be true.
And that woman hugged me.
She hugged me.
When she hugged me, I woke up.
And I woke up and I thank Allah
for this, basically.
Okay, now.
Am I part of this chat right now?
Okay, so, sorry, I know one second.
So, Imtiaz bhai, is this, we're looking, although
this reference is important, but we're looking for
another reference where he actually said that she
was, she had no clothes.
Oh, yeah, I mean, where her head was
shaven?
Yeah, yeah, that one, that reference, that reference,
because this reference, obviously, it doesn't say this
is Mohammadi Begum.
This reference doesn't say the name.
And, you know, the Qadianis, how they're going
to say and how they're going to play
games.
No, actually, you know, Adnan bhai, look, if
we are going to accept their interpretation, they
will, they can say this about every day.
But the point, Adnan bhai, is there are
two women.
One of them is Nusrat Jahan Begum.
Yes.
And this is the other women.
Okay.
So, basically, they have to tell us this
has to be someone other than Nusrat Jahan
Begum.
And she's dressed in red and she's wearing
see-through clothes.
Jali.
Jali means net clothes that you can see
the body through these clothes.
And she hugged him.
She became intimate with him.
They can turn around and say, look, they
can turn around and say this is a
dream.
Dreams can mean anything and all that.
The point is, why is the public making
these dreams public?
These dreams of sexual nature, these basically hard
dreams or wet dreams, let's say, why is
he making them public?
But the dream I'm looking for, the specific
one, is where he talks about Mohammadi Begum,
that she was seen without clothes and her
head was shaved, that one, that particular reference.
I'm looking for that one.
Okay.
Because that's very specific.
That's the one they can't just spin.
Because, you know, the Qadianis, we've been dealing
with them for the last year and a
half and how they like to spin things
and take them out of context or they
start screaming context, context, context.
You are making it worse than it is.
Okay.
That's what they claim.
So we want to give them a specific
reference, Inshallah.
Please.
In the meantime, I think we have one
brother, Moiz.
The brother just left a second ago.
Oh, he's back.
Yeah, he's back, Inshallah.
Do we need to give next time PG
-18 warnings or something when you're showing a
reference of Mirza or something?
Because it seems like it's adult content.
No, no.
I think that's a given.
When you're discussing Mirza, it's all X-rated
conversation, unfortunately.
So be ready for any surprise, any shock
at any time.
That when we're dealing with Mirza, any, you
know, yeah, parental guidance advised.
It's all advised.
Seriously.
And no joke.
We're not joking.
Because the language and the things like...
Like Naveed brought it up a couple of
weeks ago.
The Tafseer, SubhanAllah.
I read the whole 30 pages and I
was like baffled.
Like sometimes you're like completely baffled that how
can a person using such a language and
people consider him as a decent person.
Like, how does it work?
Yeah, and where he's equating Khushu with *.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Inside in one's, yeah, again, parental guidance advised.
SubhanAllah.
So we have our brother Muiz Quraishi with
us.
And SubhanAllah, he has some family who were
in the cult before.
And he did da'wah, InshaAllah.
So we'd like him to share his experience
and his story, which can be basically encouragement
for other people who are stuck in this
cult to come out.
Go ahead, brother, please.
Hey, Can everyone hear me?
Yes, we can hear you.
Okay, first off, I'm a little nervous because
you're also intelligent, MashAllah, in the Quran and
the Sunnah and a lot of things.
I've been watching you since my third year
university.
It's about seven years now in Hyde Park.
A lot of your conversations, Mr. Rashid and
also Mr. Imtiaz.
I'm sorry, I forget your last name, but
you know, and also Bashir Ahmed.
Like you guys are like the Avengers right
now, man, honestly.
I'll tell you why.
So quick story in a nutshell, as I
was saying in the chat before, I grew
up in Ontario, Canada, but I'm from Pakistan.
So 96 out here, we were here.
I never, and we're growing up in a
household where we're taught the Quran and Sunnah,
but we don't categorize Muslims.
When I moved out to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan in
university, that's where I got introduced to the
Ahmadiyya cult through a woman who, you know,
now I got married to, but it took
me about a year and a half to
explain to her.
And I gave her the chance that if
this is the Mahdi, then I will accept
it.
And then when I found more and more,
just things that you're talking about in these
recent streams, I'd studied a while back and
not at just the surface level.
And I'm glad that she opened up Hamza
and she became Muslim.
And now we've been married for a while,
it's been eight years.
And now her family, after eight years of
us having a conversation, constantly has accepted Islam.
So much so that, you know, it caused
a ripple effect in their individual lives in
terms of marriage and all the things in
the last stream that you talked about.
You have to get divorced, etc.
And, you know, it was tough.
I've seen it.
I've seen how they had to make changes
in their lives.
And it's tough.
I just want to ask you, like, you
know, when I'm making TikTok videos and I'm
studying off of what you're talking about and
I'm writing it down and I reiterate these
things, these concepts, especially Dr. Izhar and what
he talked about, you know, what I'm finding
is that they don't, like there's Bashar and
Bashir, the guy that you talked about.
And he didn't hear about the fact that
Mirza said, and I found this out in
his book, and it's also in Ahmadiyya Fact
Check, that you have to pay the chanda
or what not in chanda usir.
And if you don't, Mirza said that, I
can't remember which one, but he said that
you will be expelled from the community.
This was one of his books in the
Financial Sacrifice PDF.
That's where I read it online.
I can't remember the title of that book.
Mashoorat Ishtiharat, something like that.
I'm sorry, I don't know.
But essentially, I showed...
Majmoo Ishtiharat.
Majmoo Ishtiharat, exactly.
Page 165 to 160.
And the whole thing, the whole lot of
context in my video and TikTok, I even
presented it beforehand and then afterwards, like what
it leads into.
And he still said, you don't get excluded.
What I told him afterwards was like, I
think the community now changes your foundational beliefs,
which are against the whole love for all,
hatred for none thing.
So are you guys, essentially, are you writing
this down somewhere where we can access and
how to have these dialogues?
Because I'm afraid of my two little kids.
Because I'm afraid when the history comes out
to these guys, my son and my daughter,
when they grow up, they're going to find
out about the background.
And they have cousins, right?
I can't change everyone, but my immediate family.
So I'm worried and I'm preparing for the
next 10 years on how to talk to
my kids if it comes.
And inshallah, may Allah help us.
Yes, first of all, congratulations to you and
to your wife.
May Allah bless you guys.
May Allah bless your progeny and every single
person who enters Islam by following your example
and following your guidance.
May Allah reward you for all that.
And with regards to your question, whether we
are making an archive, we are.
We are working on an archive.
We already have an archive.
We're going to put it online.
We're going to put it on multiple platforms.
We're going to put it out in multiple
forms, book form, booklet, articles.
Videos, long streams, debates, dialogues.
We're trying to cover everything, basically.
So that, you know, this information is easily
accessible.
Inshallah, we're working on that.
Bear with us.
It's going to be public very soon, inshallah.
So when we said the cult will be
over in five years.
We're not just saying this.
We are working towards it.
And Allah is with us.
Allah is with us.
Allah is putting immense barakah in it.
The work is already happening.
We have pioneers like Brother Bashir, mashallah, who
has been at it for a long time.
He has done some amazing work that has
really set the tone.
Okay.
And alhamdulillah, many soldiers of Allah like him,
who have been, you know, trying to save
people from hellfire, trying to save people from
misguidance of the cult.
And, you know, they are the giants we
are standing on the shoulders of, basically.
So there are people like Brother Bashir and
A.K. Sheikh and, you know, Zaitoon that
they channel the work they have been doing.
So we only just came along, you know,
and it just became something on social media.
But inshallah, we're not just going to leave
it on social media.
We're going to make it archived so that
everyone can access.
And there's going to be a search engine
when anyone wants to search a particular topic
or a particular reference.
It'll be there instantly.
Right.
So it's going to be very easy to
use reference point for people who are interested,
inshallah.
So don't worry.
We're working on that, inshallah.
Just to make a note, I've covered 90
% of these streams, almost 90% of
the references that Imtiaz has brought.
I've saved it somewhere on the blog.
You just got to find it.
And if you can't find it, I got
the best customer service in the world, brother.
You don't get a phone line, no number
one, and I answer.
And look, I see it as a challenge
to find these references, brother.
I'll be up all night looking too, brother.
Yeah.
And you know, wallahi, brother Rashid, Allah reward
you for being available.
I'll tell you one thing.
Forget about the rest of your life, whatever
else you may be doing and whatever else
you might have achieved in life.
This alone, this alone that you make yourself
available for people to guide them, to show
them light, this alone, and if you don't
achieve anything else in life, this alone is
a life worth living.
Wallahi, you will be saving a lot of,
you probably have saved a lot of people
already.
Alhamdulillah.
So may Allah reward you, man.
Seriously.
I just want to say something.
I just want to say something before I
leave.
I know I'm not meant to interject, really.
If I can, by any means, I'm just
a student, help initiative, you know, through a
tourism initiative.
By any means, I would love to, because,
you know, I see what you're doing because
I've been in this, so I know how
it's working.
I see it progressing and I love it.
Just keep an eye out, brother.
And we will need volunteers.
We will need brothers and sisters around the
world to be part of this work.
InshaAllah soon, you will be able to join
the organization that is working towards it.
InshaAllah.
You can easily become a volunteer.
You'll be able to participate tangibly, practically, InshaAllah.
Okay.
I was asking him for his TikTok handles
so I can connect with him on TikTok.
You know, there's still a lot of action
on TikTok.
We've sort of been busy, but we need
the help on TikTok.
If you know anyone who can help us
with the live streams, we're not even streaming
this on TikTok and I think there's like
a way to do it.
I don't remember, but brother, I left my
number, connect with me.
I'm Amityufaq, check blog on 10 different platforms.
It's easy to find me.
I'm not hiding from anyone.
Absolutely.
And brother, before you leave, I just want
to first show the reference of not by
seven, InshaAllah.
I just want to discuss something.
One second.
In the chat, I posted the reference in
English, in the chat, in the private chat,
in the public chat.
So it's all there.
Yeah.
So please just stay with me.
Just let me share the reference of not
by seven.
Then InshaAllah.
Yeah, because it's important.
The question came up and we made an
accusation and we want to substantiate it.
We're not just saying this, right?
There you go.
Okay.
Right.
So let me read it again.
14th of August, 1892.
14th of August, 1892.
Okay, everybody.
Everybody, this is the reference.
So now you can take a screenshot and
you can show the world, in particular, the
Qadianis, that your Prophet.
This is basically the Tazkira, which is the
compilation of the Ilham of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
And this is the fourth edition.
Page number is 160.
And the previous dream was on page 159.
Secondly, it's very easy.
When you want to search something in Tazkira,
just go for the date.
For example, in this case, when you're searching
in the new edition, you can just go
for the date, 14th of August, 1892.
And the previous dream was, this was 25th
of July, 1892.
The one we mentioned before, in which Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani is hugging someone.
So now this one, in which he is
having a dream that she's, you know...
So let me translate it.
I didn't translate.
I just read it in Urdu.
So the translation is basically...
If you want to read the translation in
English, you already have it.
Go ahead.
Sure.
So here we go, guys.
And be ready.
This is where you are.
Okay.
So in the English Tazkira, it says, August
14th, 1892, common era, Muharram 20, 1309 after
Hijra.
I saw in my dream last night that
Muhammadi Begum, concerning whom a prophecy has been
made, was sitting with some people in a
village rest house.
And perhaps her head was shaving.
Her head was shaven, which in Hindu culture,
I've heard it's a woman whose husband has
died.
They shave their head.
And that's my own commentary.
But back to the quote.
She was naked and she looked very repulsive.
I said to her three times, the interpretation
of your head being shaven is that your
husband will die.
I placed both hands over her head and
again stated the same interpretation during my dream.
The same night, Mahmud's mother, who was Nusa
Jahan, saw in a dream that my marriage
with Muhammadi Begum had been performed.
And my wife had a document in her
hand, which specified that the dower for the
marriage was 1000 rupees.
And some sweets were sent for.
Then Muhammadi Begum was seen standing near me
in my wife's dream.
So that's the English translation.
Okay, okay.
Now I want to say something very quickly.
What was the claim I made earlier?
The claim was that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
had a dream about a non-Mahram woman
who is not related to him.
She is Muhammadi Begum.
In this dream, he sees her naked.
Number three, he knows she is a married
woman.
She is someone else's honor.
Number four, he is basically seeing her in
a very unpleasant, repulsive form.
My question is in all of this, what
is the fault of Muhammadi Begum?
Why is she being punished for not marrying
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani?
Why is she being punished for being married
to Mirza Sultan Bey?
Why is Mirza making these public announcements, public
proclamations about a woman who is married to
another Muslim man and saying that he saw
her naked, shaven head in a dream.
And then he says that he got married
to her.
In that dream, while her husband is still
alive, he hasn't died.
And by the way, her husband didn't die.
He didn't die.
This dream was proven to be false as
well.
He died a long time after Mirza died.
A long time after Mirza died.
Okay.
So my question is again, why is Mirza
Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani so indecent, so immoral that
he has to put out a dream he
may have had about a woman he's not
married to, he's not related to by a
relationship of marriage or Nikah and he's saying
that he saw her naked in dream.
How is he honoring this woman?
How is he protecting her honor?
And what does the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam
say?
The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, he said in
a Hadith and I quote, A person who
covers a Muslim, Allah will cover him on
the day of judgment.
Allah will cover him on the day of
judgment.
So even if you see something unpleasant in
a Muslim, now this covering is of two
types.
The Ulema, the Ulema of Islam, they explain.
This covering the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is
talking about is of two types.
One is physically covering someone.
Someone who is naked, doesn't have clothes, you
give them clothes to wear or you cover
them with a shelter, Allah will cover you
on the day of judgment with a shelter.
This is one type.
The second type is that you see a
weakness, a shortcoming, a sin on their part
and you cover it.
You don't expose them publicly.
You don't go and start pronouncing publicly that
I saw this person to be committing this
sin.
This is the second type of covering and
Allah will cover you on the day of
judgment when your sins will be publicly discussed
if you haven't covered anyone else.
So here Mirza is guilty of both crimes,
both types.
This was a dream which is a spiritual
experience and he saw her naked as he
claims.
He could have kept it to himself and
not humiliate her publicly like that.
A married woman, a married woman, married to
a Muslim and there is no fault of
her.
She is innocent of any crime, number one.
Number two, even if he had this dream,
he could have simply covered her and not
mention her nakedness.
So he is going to extraordinary lengths to
humiliate this woman, punishing her for not being
married to him and it wasn't even her
decision.
It was her father's decision to not give
her to Mirza in marriage and get her
married to another man called Mirza Sultan Beg.
Wallahi, any Qadiani watching, we have now substantiated
our claim with evidence, with reference.
Everyone can see it on the screen.
Take a screenshot and ask the Qadianis, how
can a decent man, how can a moral
man, let alone a Prophet of Allah, discuss
this about a woman, an innocent woman publicly?
Would you want any Tom, Dick or Harry
discussing your mother, your wife, your daughter?
Imagine if you went to the member.
I put this question out to the public.
Imagine if an Imam went on the member
and he stood up on Jummah and he
said, I had a dream and in my
dream I saw Abdul Ghafoor's wife or I
saw Abdul Kareem's wife or I saw Muhammad
Qasim's wife or I saw Jalaluddin's wife, okay,
naked and he was shaven head.
And imagine Jalaluddin, okay, or Muhammad Qasim or
Abdul Kareem.
These people are sitting in the crowd.
How do you think they would feel?
They would get up and they would drag
this Imam down and probably give him a
hiding.
How dare you mention my wife on the
member and you're humiliating my wife and me?
This is exactly what Mirza was doing to
an innocent Muslim woman and her husband.
You know, you know, Adnan Bhai, first of
all, I just want because, you know, when
you go on their website, you cannot find
the older edition of Tazkira.
So I just wanted to give you the
new edition as well.
So if you go on their website and
you download the latest edition, so it is
page number 175 of Tazkira.
And date is 14th of August, 1892.
Just remember the date.
Just remember the date.
It's easier to find the 14th of August
is the Independence Day of Pakistan.
Just remember that the year is 1892.
The year is 1892.
You will never forget it.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
I'm going to head out now.
I really appreciated this, guys.
And I just wanted to say that something
that really helped me out when talking was
brother Rashid, when you talked about the Krishna
Hadith that they always brought eight years ago,
when I talked to, you know, with them
and I couldn't find anything and they couldn't
find anything.
You are the person who brought to light
recently.
Please don't stop what you're doing because the
fact that you said the difference in if
and versus there is, you know, when I
brought that up, not one person has been
able to talk about it in terms of
their side.
And I really hope that you continue what
you do.
InshaAllah.
May Allah bless you all for this.
Ameen.
Take care, guys.
And brother, real quick.
I left my phone number in the private
chat.
I still need you on TikTok.
And then last thing in the Quran, there's
a lot of Allah says, if it doesn't
make it true, does not make it true.
Yeah.
I'm going to message you on WhatsApp.
Take care, guys.
JazakAllah.
Yeah, Ahmed bhai, if you want to bring
somebody else.
Daniyal bhai, you're on stage, inshaAllah.
Yes.
Assalamualaikum to all the panelists sitting here.
So first of all, I would just like
to convey the message that I'm a huge
fan of brother Adnan.
I've been talking to him for a long
time.
I talked to him mostly on brother Ahmed
Haq's lives, but I never actually had a
chance to talk to brother Adnan, who I've
been watching and getting inspired from since the
past, I don't know, four or five years.
And I'm also a huge fan.
And probably like a virtual friend of your
son, Musa as well.
He often comes live with brother Ali Dawa
and, you know, we always have a good
chat.
So brother Adnan, I would like to see
you.
You guys have, you know, really gone to
the details of this 14th August dream thing.
But what's even more absurd than that is
literally the next statement in the same book
and the dream that Mirza states.
And to me, it sounds even more absurd.
So if anyone can display that on the
scene, that would be amazing.
But I can read it out loud if
you guys want.
So I'm going to read it out loud
here.
It's the 20th of August, 1892.
And Mirza states here that he saw in
his house, there was some person known as
Sahib Jaan.
Does anyone of you Sahib Jaan?
Sahib Jaan is some person.
Sahib Jaan was one of his servants?
Yes, yes, exactly.
He saw in Sahib Jaan's house a snake
wandering around.
And in that dream, Mirza, what he does
is places his hand on the serpent, on
the snake and the snake burns.
And he also sees that one of his
other, I don't know, one of his other
servants, Mehmood, he gets his hands burned by
placing the snake, placing his hand on the
snake.
And he immediately, he immediately like thinks and
he ilham aata hai.
He thinks that, you know, in reality, his
servant's hand has burned.
But when he goes to his house the
next morning, he sees that he's absolutely fine.
So this kind of tells you that his
dreams are, you know, they have nothing to
do with reality.
Clearly.
And even if they are dreams and not
the reality, in the case of the previous
dream where he saw Mohammadi Begum allegedly without
clothes.
May Allah, you know, reward Mohammadi Begum with
the highest abode in Jannah.
Okay.
She was victimized by this liar, this person.
Okay.
He didn't have to say that publicly.
He should have had the decency to keep
that dream to himself, even if he had
it and not put it out publicly.
Because now she is someone else's honor.
She is in another man's nikah.
Okay.
And if you talk like this in sexual
terms about someone else's wife publicly and you're
printing ishtiharat, you're printing public announcements, proclamations, and
you're publishing them on posters for people to
see that you saw another man's wife naked
in your dream in a very despicable shape.
Okay.
What are you doing, man?
What the * is wrong with you?
Can you imagine this from even a moral,
normal human being, let alone a prophet of
God?
This is very, very severe.
This case, this point alone is enough to
completely dismantle Mirza or debunk him.
Brother Adnan, I wonder why the family of
Mahmoodie Begum, particularly her husband, did they take
any action against him or did they try
to confront him or anything?
No, they were too scared.
You know, Adnan bhai, because the husband was
was basically in British army, right, Bashir bhai?
Exactly.
Yeah.
And you know, the funny part, he was
in the British army.
He went into the army to fight in
the war.
He even got shot in the war and
he still survived.
Imagine.
And even the Second World War didn't kill
him.
Even the Second World War didn't kill him.
No, sorry.
The First World War.
The First World War, yes.
He fought in the First World War.
He got shot, he got injured, but he
still survived.
And here is Mirza saying that he would
have died if she didn't have married him.
Yeah.
And you know, Adnan bhai, it's very interesting
that, you know, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
made sure in every case, whatever Mirza says,
it has to go against them.
For example, for example, the classic case of
Manzoor Muhammad and Mohammadi Begum, the other Mohammadi
Begum, right?
When Mirza said that this couple will have
a son, Bashir-ud-Daulah and Alam Kamab
and this and this and this.
Guess what?
The wife died.
Yeah.
We don't want to say that wife died
because of, because Allah wanted to show Mirza
as a liar.
But this goes to show that how Allah
subhanahu wa ta'ala gave ample chances, ample
opportunities to his followers to contemplate, to know,
to think that this man is a liar.
But when you are dheet, when you are
stubborn, and when you are bent upon going
to hellfire, no one can save you.
You have to be willing to learn.
You have to be willing to change.
Otherwise, there's no hope for you.
You know?
So this is the point.
So brother Adnan, I would like to ask
a question regarding the dreams.
And when we talk about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's
dreams, you know, inevitably, you have to bring
in the so-called and the false revelations
that he used to receive as well.
Now, if you look at his books and
you look at his teachings, you can never
tell what the guy is saying and what
he really means by the statements is, does
he really mean revelations or does he mean
dreams?
Because he, see, I have read some scripts
of Mirza and I can never tell it,
differentiate between his revelations and his dreams.
I can never tell the difference.
Yes.
They sound so confusing.
The answer to that question is, simply put
in one sentence, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was
the Nostradamus of India.
That's it.
That's the answer.
And those who know Nostradamus and his writings,
they know exactly what I mean by that.
You can twist and manipulate his writings into
anything, claiming anything, you know, Nostradamus, you know,
he claimed that there will be a second
world war.
He also talked about Hitler.
People make all sorts of claims, right?
And if we start doing that to Mirza's
writing, you can make anything out of it.
Exactly.
You can imagine the most, the most hilarious
and the most nonsensical thing that Mirza could
have done.
And you will find that it's a reality.
He has done it for sure.
Absolutely.
Now, my last point, brother Iqbal, is that
when we talk about dreams and when we
talk about seeing prophets in our dreams, now
there have been, I remember you in one
stream, you were mentioning that one of the
brothers he saw in his dream that he
was walking with the Holy Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam and he walked.
He and the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam brought
him, that brother, to this pyramid and there
he saw Mirza and the Prophet said that
this guy is a liar.
He said something like that.
I remember you saying that.
Now, I don't know if it's a good
Dalit for Qadianis.
I know they won't believe it, but at
least for us and I want to know
how we can use like these kind of
Dalits because I know many people who have
seen Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
There was another revered brother.
He reverted from Qadianism and he said that
when he was on the process of reverting
back to Islam, he saw in a dream
that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was burning in
*.
He literally said that.
He even said that he saw Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Qadiani burning in * and one of
the brothers also said that he saw Mirza
Qadiani.
He looked into the grave of Mirza Qadiani
and he saw a fired dog barking in
the grave.
These kind of dreams when we hear from
these revered brothers, I don't know if...
No, no, we should make them public.
We should make them public.
You know, so we really have to make
them public.
We have to show people.
We have to tell people what kind of
dreams people are having about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Qadiani.
In fact, there are dreams we have been
told about from Qadiani reverts to Islam, ex
-Qadianis, that they had dreams, similar dreams and
they changed immediately.
They had similar dreams that Mirza is burning.
Like sister...
I met sister...
What's her name in Medina?
Chanda.
Sister Chanda.
Sister Chanda has some amazing, amazing stuff to
talk about that her father had dreams who
was a Qadiani.
Sister Chanda told me that her father, you
know, he started to have sensations in his
leg of burning as if his legs are
burning and he's awake.
This is not when he's sleeping.
This is not a dream and she would
bring water and pour over his father's leg
and he would continue to complain that he's
burning and then he would have dreams, very
similar dreams and then when he accepted Islam,
when he accepted Islam, all of this stopped.
All of this stopped.
Sister Chanda told me personally these things.
So I told sister Chanda, please make these
things public.
Let the Qadianis know that these things happen
to you.
These are your personal experiences with regards to
ishara's, signs coming from Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta
'ala.
This man was a false prophet or he's
a liar.
In the first part of today's stream, we
actually shared some of the dreams, like some
of the famous dreams of Muslims who eventually
became the scholars of Islam and they became
the debaters from the Muslim side and how,
you know, they had those dreams.
But at the same time, we made it
very clear that in Islam, dreams are not
hujjah.
No, they're not.
They're not.
I mean, somebody's dream can be an ishara
for that person.
Yes.
Allah wanted to guide him or her to
the truth.
And it's relative.
It's relative.
It's subjective to that person.
It is an ishara from Allah to that
person.
Now, for the rest of the world, if
it's not a prophet's dream, it's not hujjah.
If it's a prophet of Allah recognized, announced,
known prophet of Allah who has a dream,
it's revelation.
But anyone else, anyone else, the dream is
not binding upon anyone else to follow.
Basically, the point by which we made again
and again, that if those dreams which Qadianis
are presenting to us, which made people to
come to their religion, then what about these
dreams which cause people to leave the Qadiani
cult?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Exactly.
This is what I've been saying that, you
know, the moment that we start like brother
Adnan said that we need to bring these
people public and tell these dreams that they
have, the next, the next, you know, card
that the Qadianis are going to play is
that they're going to bring people and they
say that, oh, you know, we also saw
dreams where we saw Mirza as a true
prophet.
So, you know, these kinds of things they
don't have.
So, this is why what brother Imtiaz is
saying is worth noticing, worth noting is that
dreams are not binding.
I mean, we can present dreams of all
types.
Like I said, Catholics are having dreams of
Mary.
They are having visions of Mary appearing to
them and telling them, pray to me, or
Jesus appearing to them nailed on the cross
or saying, pray to me.
Now, are these dreams from Allah?
Are these dreams true?
So, dreams are not the reason why we
believe in something or why we reject belief
in something.
No.
Yeah.
You know, Adnan bhai, in the beginning, I
started off with the dream of Paul the
apostle on the road to Damascus.
Yes.
Okay.
Exactly.
I mean, this person has changed the entire
discourse of Christian faith on the basis of
his dream.
Exactly.
But brothers, don't you think that these dreams
that these Qadianis and non-Muslims have regarding
their own faith being true, don't you think
it's called istidraj?
I'm not sure if you guys are aware
of the term istidraj.
Istidraj is when a person becomes so rampant
on their wrong path that they begin to
feel that it's the right path and Allah
makes them feel it's the right path because
of their ignorance.
Yeah, what we call placebo.
What we call placebo effect.
You know.
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, it's possible.
It's possible.
That's why, look, dreams are not hujjah.
If some Qadiani sleeps and he sees Mirza
Ghulam Qadiani riding on a white horse with
two wings and entering Jannah, apparently, this is
not no hujjah.
This is not hujjah upon us because we
know he was a liar.
Okay.
So it's like shaitan, when he appeared to
Adam Alayhi Salaam and Hawa, you know, you
know how he appeared?
You know how he appeared?
Do you have any idea?
He appeared in a very, very pleasant form
to them.
He looked like a very pious person and
he said, look, I promise you.
He said, Wallahi, if you eat from this
tree, you will have eternal life.
So they fell for his charms.
So we have so many examples.
So many examples.
I mean, if shaitan can, if shaitan can
come and misguide Adam Alayhi Salaam, then I'm
sure shaitan can also come in the form
of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who was an actual
shaitan.
He was an actual shaitan.
Yes, absolutely.
What you missed actually from the earlier presentation
was the, the rule of Qadianism.
Imtiaz Bhai, do you want to reiterate when
you're going to take a dream and when
are you going to take a dream?
Now it's a very short clip and look
at this clip that how cunning this cult
is with regard to dreams.
Amirbhai, please play it again.
Yes, Inshallah.
Just give me one second.
I'll, I'll find it and play it.
Okay, let me watch it.
So, so this is, it's very clear that
dreams can be from Ar-Rahman and they
can be from shaitan.
Okay, dreams can be of two types.
Those that are coming from Allah as an
inspiration and those that are coming from a
shaitan.
Any dream, how do we know which one
is from Ar-Rahman and which one is
from, from shaitan?
Any dream that conflicts with Sharia, the revelation
in the Quran and the Sunnah of Rasulullah
Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is from, is from shaitan.
Any dream that conflicts with Sharia is from
shaitan and any dream that does not conflict
with Sharia and has a good message, has
a pleasant message, possibly can be from Allah
Subh'anaHu Wa Ta-A'la.
Absolutely.
Okay, thank you.
Okay, InshaAllah Khair Brother Inan and all the
brothers here.
It was lovely talking to you and Brother
Bashir, I can't wait, wait to see you
on TikTok with Amir Bhai and all the
others and you know, I love your, you
know, combination of English and Punjabi, which is
a very unusual combination.
But Bro, that is a very common combination
if you're from UK.
Yeah, actually expand on that.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Yeah, InshaAllah.
But Inan Bhai, this is a feast for
you, just look at it and we want
to, want you to comment on this, InshaAllah.
Even he's shocked, like who said this?
Mirza is saying, if a dream is not,
it doesn't conform to my desires, my teachings,
my writings, then it's not true.
He has to ask at the first, he's
like, who the * is saying this?
And, and, and, and then he's told, and
then, then, then watch now, then watch.
And now we will do the same thing
again.
Now that we know he has said it,
we have to find a spin now, we
have to justify.
Amazing, isn't it?
Amazing.
So, yeah, so what do you do with
these people?
What, what is their elage?
What, how can we treat these people?
Adnan Bhai, look, look at the cunningness, look
at the cunning nature.
He said that the only dream which will
be accepted, if it approves Mirza Ghulam Qadiani,
then what is the point?
No, no, he said, he said any dream
that, that disapproves him or any dream that
shows him to be a liar is to
be rejected.
Yeah, and Adnan Bhai, after this, we played
another clip in which Mirza Masroor Ahmad said
that people are coming and telling me or
telling us that we have seen Prophet Muhammad
in the dream.
And he's saying that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was
a liar.
He said these dreams are false.
Allahu Akbar.
So, so now they are going against their
own criteria.
When it doesn't suit them, usually they go
and parade around the world telling people, I
saw the Prophet in my dream and he
said this and he said that.
But when someone comes with the Prophet in
the dream, telling them that Mirza is a
liar.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
That's not the Prophet.
Either that's not the Prophet.
In that case, every dream you have of
the Prophet allegedly telling you something else is
not acceptable or you accept these dreams too
where the Prophet came to people and told
them Mirza is a liar.
You can't have your cake and eat it.
You know, so, so, so this is the
problem with these people.
This is the problem.
When you bring the truth to them, they
reject it.
They reject it.
They don't want to know.
So that's the thing.
Even the criteria on dreams is so, so
messed up.
He just, first of all, he didn't even
know Mirza wrote this.
And when he's, when he's told that Mirza
wrote this.
Oh, let's find a solution or let's find
an interpretation.
Let's find out the field.
Let's do something so that we can reconcile
it somehow.
These, these people on the spot.
He did it on the spot.
Can you believe it?
To highlight this point, the methodology is really,
really important.
So right, this clip is so beautiful because
he was like taken completely aback.
He thought it is something completely ridiculous, right?
And then when he was told that it
is from Mirza, then he completely changed.
And what did he do?
He went directly back to Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu
Alaihi Wasallam.
Yes.
You see, by default, he did not have
an answer.
He just have this falling back on.
And this is what they do all the
time.
And, and, and by one thing that needs
to be acknowledged there, clearly, is that he
himself now is acknowledging that people do come
to him, telling him that they had dreams
whereby Mirza is a liar.
They're having dreams.
So this is one.
One thing is what you highlighted.
The second point that is worth noting is
that he himself is acknowledging that people are
having dreams that Mirza is a liar, but
they're ignoring them.
They're rejecting them.
How do you want Allah to tell you
that?
You don't listen to reasons.
You don't listen to arguments.
You don't listen to evidence, black and white
evidence of his false prophecies, his lies.
You don't even listen to dreams.
Exactly.
So now what do you want us to
tell us?
You know, Adnan Bhai, this is exactly the
reason that we are dedicating the whole live
stream.
And Adnan Bhai, you remember that when we
met with those Ahmadi officials in UK, when
I asked them that what is the biggest
evidence you have that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani?
Three of them.
Three of them, exactly.
Out of the four, out of those four,
three of them.
They said dreams.
We had dreams.
And we said the same thing to them.
We said to them, what if we show
you people who had dreams to the opposite
effect, who had completely opposite dreams.
You had dreams that Mirza's a prophet.
They had dreams that Mirza's a liar, Mirza's
a dajjal, or Mirza's in hellfire, burning in
hellfire.
Now what?
And they all went quiet.
They had no response, no answer.
So instead of telling us Mirza's prophecy, look
here, Mirza's prophecy came true.
Mirza's a prophet because of this.
Mirza's a prophet because of that.
Mirza's a prophet because of this sign, that
sign.
None of that.
None of that.
They said the only reason we are Qadianis
and we are murabbis for the Jamaat, three
of them, out of the four we met,
three of them said dreams.
We had dreams.
And Ahmad bhai, I would say that, you
know, just play that 22nd in which Mirza
Masroor Ahmad is saying that even if prophet
is telling you that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was
a liar, those dreams are not trustworthy.
Please, please keep that.
Just give me two minutes to pull that
out.
Bashir bhai, in the meantime, you can inshallah
put your input.
Yeah, so when they do this tabligh work
out in the community, they don't tell people,
hey, let's compare and contrast the literature and
let's find the facts of the case.
They say, no, go and pray on it.
Go and ask for a sign.
Oh, here we go.
Adnan bhai, are you with us?
Yeah, yeah, I'm here.
I'm here, please.
Okay, Ahmad bhai, just go to the relevant
part, inshallah.
Like some non-Ahmadis say, we have seen,
the Holy Prophet said that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Sahib is not truthful.
These are false dreams of his.
These are dreamt dreams.
I have seen some non-Ahmadis, they wake
up every day, all the prophets that are
mentioned, they are mentioned in the Holy Quran.
Sometimes they say, I have seen Hazrat Ibrahim,
sometimes I have seen Moses, sometimes I have
seen Jesus, and so on.
There are some similarities, but if it is
a true dream, and it has a meaning,
So you see, Adnan bhai, he said that
if even all the prophets come in your
dream and they're telling you they are false
dreams.
Absolutely.
So if any prophet comes to your dream
and he tells you Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
is false and he's a liar, that dream
cannot be true.
So these guys have simply, simply made up
their mind that we are not going to
accept any evidence.
However, however compelling that evidence may be, we're
not going to accept it if it's against
Mirza.
It could be an unfulfilled prophecy, it could
be an outright lie, it could be a
false attribution, it could be a moral defect,
it could be a mental defect, it could
be, it could be failed promises.
Okay.
It could be anything.
You bring anything to us, you could bring
a dream where you saw the Prophet Sallallahu
Alaihi Wasallam telling you that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Qadiani was a liar, nothing will be accepted.
Nothing will be accepted.
You can bring anything.
So what does Allah say about people like
this Imtiaz Bhai?
What does Allah say about people like this?
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says if the
skies were opened, if the heavens were opened
and Allah was to show himself to people,
they will still reject him.
They will still reject him.
There's a verse of the Quran and I
really want, I don't know the Arabic of
it.
Does anyone know the reference of the verse?
You know, Imtiaz Bhai, I don't know if
you know the reference.
We want to read this ayah so that
people know, sorry.
If Allah was to open the skies and
show himself, okay, people will still reject him.
Something to this effect.
Please someone post the, yeah.
That even if you know, even the angels
are descending on them, even the dead are
speaking to them, you know, no matter what's
happening, they will still not believe.
So this is basically when the, No, I
am talking, I'm talking about a specific reference
in the Quran where it mentions that even
if the heavens were opened and Allah was
to show himself to these people, okay, these
people, like I recently mentioned in one of
my videos that, sorry, brother Ahmad, you found
it?
No, I find the Imtiaz Bhai's one, it's
Surah Al-Inam, 111.
No, no, I'm talking about a different reference.
Maybe someone, I got chapter 15, verse 15.
Can somebody pull that up?
Okay.
Chapter 15, Surah Al-Hujurat, I think, Surah
Al-Hujurat, verse 15.
Ahmad Bhai, if you can put on the
screen, chapter 15, verse 15.
Okay.
Like I said it in one of my
videos recently that even if Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam was to come today in person and
he was to tell the Qadianis that I
am Muhammad Rasulullah and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
is a liar, you know what they will
do?
These Qadianis, they will turn around and say,
you know what, you are not even Muhammad
Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.
Adnan Bhai, this is exactly what he said,
Masroor Ahmad.
Yeah, there you go.
That's the ayah.
Okay.
The ayah is basically, okay, again, let me
read it like this.
Okay.
Okay.
Allah Subh'anaHu Wa Ta-A'la states,
and even if we open to them a
gate from the heaven and they continue therein
to ascend.
And then what does it say further down?
Next verse.
They would say our eyes have only been
dazzled, rather we are a people affected by
magic.
Okay, there you go.
This is a reference.
Okay.
Even if the gates of the heavens have
been opened, and they see signs of Allah
openly in front of the eyes, they will
say, oh no, our eyes have been dazzled.
We have been mesmerized or we have been
hypnotized or something like that.
This is not real.
This is how these people are.
You bring any evidence to them, they're going
to say, you know what, maybe our minds
are not working properly.
Our brain is not working properly.
Okay.
So this is how these people are.
This is how these people are.
May Allah Subh'anaHu Wa Ta-A'la
guide them.
Okay, so I really, really advise the Ahmadis
and the Qadianis who are listening right now.
Please open your eyes.
Don't be like those people whom Allah has
shown repeatedly signs of truth that Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Qadiani is simply not a decent man,
let alone a Mahdi or a Masih or
even a prophet of God.
He's not even a decent human being.
Okay.
What more do you need?
We have shown you repeatedly that he lied.
He made unfulfilled prophecies.
He insulted and humiliated people in his public
proclamations or declarations or pronouncements.
He basically accused people of unchastity.
He made obscene comments about people's mothers, their
wives, okay, their children.
He did all these things, every single thing.
If this is the case, you know, if
this is the case, then you really have
to come back to Islam, true Islam, the
Islam of the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, the
Islam of the Sahaba, the Islam of the
rest of the Ummah, the Islam of miracles,
miracles that Allah performed through prophets and those
miracles were real, not your naturalistic spin on
those miracles, not your denial of miracles.
Those miracles did happen as described in the
Quran and the supernatural does exist.
Even the existence of Allah is supernatural.
How can you even believe in Allah if
you don't believe in miracles?
If you don't, because you reject miracles because
you think these cannot be naturalistically explained.
How are you going to naturalistically explain the
angels?
How are you going to naturalistically explain Allah?
How are you going to do that?
So this is the point.
The point is you are upon falsehood.
You need to really wake up.
Inshallah.
Adnan bhai, your good friend Bakusi, he said
that he wants to ask you a question.
Bakusi.
You want to try that again?
You want to try that again?
No problem.
Go ahead.
As-salamu alaykum.
As-salamu alaykum.
You are my best friend now.
As-salamu alaykum.
As-salamu alaykum.
Sorry.
Yes, go ahead.
I was not here since the beginning.
I just had a listen since the last
10 minutes, but when I have listened this,
I have to ask you a question regarding
the dreams.
I'm not an expert in this.
I don't know.
I will not comment what you have said
because I did not know all this.
Frankly, I have to be sincere on this.
Even if you told me last time I'm
not sincere, it's another question.
But when I used to dream sometimes, I
did not get back to the Jamaat Ahmadiyya
for interpretation.
I used to read the book of Ibn
Sina regarding the dreams.
Ibn Sirin, Ibn Sirin.
Sina, Ibn Sina?
No, Ibn Sirin.
In French, we say Ibn Sina.
Ibn Sina was a philosopher, a scientist, okay?
Ibn Sirin, you're talking about.
Yes, yes.
You're talking about Ibn Sirin.
Yes.
Ibn Sina was like, he created medicines too.
And in fact, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad alleged that
he invented where he was using the Muhammad
Isa, which is a lie, which is a
lie.
I'm sorry, Ibn Sirin.
Yes.
And when you go to this website, who
is interpreting the dreams, you can see many
dreams which is interpreting, no, which is speaking
about some dreams, which is against the Sharia.
But he's still getting some interpretation.
And he never say that this dream is
haram or something like this.
Because earlier I heard you say that some
dreams come from Shaitan.
It's true.
Something can come from Shaitan.
But some dreams, even you can go to
internet, you can see the dreaming, Islamic dreaming.
And some explanation about some dreams, if you
type woman night, night, woman night, you can
see some interpretation in the old time of
Islam.
So what is the interpretation for these dreams?
To give you a short answer to your
question, no interpretation in the world is binding
upon us because it's just an interpretation of
a human being, an individual who is not
a prophet.
And Ibn Sirin's book is very, very highly
controversial.
It is not even certain whether Ibn Sirin
actually wrote that book.
Okay, Kitab al-Roya of Ibn Sirin.
Okay, and it has absurdities.
That book has absolute outright absurdities in it.
So that book, to say the least, is
not binding upon any Muslim to follow.
It is another book of ideas and philosophies
and thoughts collected from different sources, dubious and
non-dubious.
So it's a collection of all sorts of
things.
We don't have to agree with it.
We don't have to even accept it.
We don't even need it.
Without Ibn Sirin's book, our dreams are not
incomplete.
Our Deen is still complete and we don't
need Ibn Sirin's book to give us any
interpretation.
So the principle that any dream that comes
against Sharia is from Sharia itself.
Okay, for example, if in a dream you
are being commanded to commit Kufr, that's a
dream from Shaitan.
For example, if in a dream you are
being told to worship Jesus Christ, it's from
Shaitan.
Likewise, those people have a dream that Mirza
Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is a liar and the
Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam is telling them
this.
Like many people who have had these dreams,
it's subjective, okay?
It's subjective.
But clearly people are seeing the Prophet in
the dream and the Prophet is telling them
that Mirza is not a true Prophet of
God.
So now people have two choices.
Either to accept that dream and not take
the risk with Mirza, okay?
Like you said last time that Islam is
complete without Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani.
We don't even need him to go to
Jannah.
So why would you risk your life with
a person about whom the Prophet is warning
you in your dream that he's a liar,
don't follow him.
Why would you still go and follow him?
Especially when you don't need him to enter
Jannah.
And Islam is complete.
Islam is enough.
The Islam of Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam and
his companions is complete because it was completed
in Arafah, Yawm al-Arafah, in the plane
of Arafah when the verse of Surah Ma
'idah was revealed telling the Prophet that your
religion is complete today.
And if it's completed then, then we don't
need anything more after that.
But Ibn Sirin is very known in the
Muslim world.
Bakusi, can you hear me?
Yes, I can hear you.
Okay.
Bakusi, just a quick question.
Just to understand, or just want to make
sure I got your point correct.
Did you say that there is no such
thing as some dream from Shaitan?
Did you say this?
No, no, no.
I agree with Anand Rashid that you can
have a dream that came from Shaitan.
What is the criteria?
For example, how can we know that if
a dream is from Shaitan or not from
Shaitan?
Do you have any criteria?
No, I'm not a scholar so I will
not tell anything regarding this one.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I cannot say.
But if in a dream, you have a
dream and you are told to worship Jesus,
okay, worship, make sajda to him, you know
this dream is from Shaitan, right?
You don't need anyone to interpret it for
you.
Do you?
Yes.
Khalaf, just like that.
Just like that.
If the Prophet of Allah, Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu
Alaihi Wasallam comes to someone in a dream
and says, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is a
liar, do you think he needs someone else
to tell him that he's not a liar?
Sorry, if in my dream, I dream that
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is a liar?
Yeah, if the Prophet Muhammad comes to your
dream, comes in your dream, and he tells
you that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is a
liar, do you need anyone else to tell
you?
No, I can say he's right, but he
never comes to my dream, so.
Okay, but Mirza Tahir said there are many
people who had such dreams.
And Mirza Masroor said the same thing.
Many people who had such dreams.
This I don't know.
But they said people did have these dreams.
They confirmed it.
And they also said that such dreams are
false.
Yeah.
This I cannot tell you.
I will not say something which you tell
me, which I don't know.
I cannot.
Well, that's it.
This is something you need to go and
work with.
Because I'm someone who frankly, I don't dream
too much.
And I'm very Cartesian.
You know Cartesian, I don't know what is
very logical.
So dreams is something which I don't understand.
No problem.
But Mirza Tahir and Mirza Masroor, both of
them said people are having dreams where the
Prophet Muhammad is telling them that Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad Qadiani is a liar.
So those dreams don't follow them.
Mirza Tahir and Mirza Masroor both are saying
this to people who are allegedly having dreams
of the Prophet Muhammad telling them that Mirza
Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was a liar.
But they are both saying don't follow those
dreams.
This I don't know.
I cannot tell you.
We just played the clips.
Because they understand the point.
And not by saying, please understand the point.
For example, for example, if you have a
dream tomorrow in which one of the prophets
is telling you that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani
was a liar, leave him.
What would you do?
Liar for on which subject?
I will ask him liar on which subject.
Okay, okay, no problem.
I'll explain to you.
No, no, wait, wait.
No, no, Bakusi will have a debate with
a prophet in his dream.
He will ask him why, why, why.
can a liar be a prophet definitely not
so that's it up if a prophet is
telling you if a prophet is telling you
in his dream he's a liar okay why
would you why would you ask him no
first of all first of all if if
in a dream you know this is a
prophet because you've been told this is a
prophet and he tells you Mirza Ghulam al
-Qadiani was a liar what would you do
what would you do first of all i
don't think i am this level to dream
about no no if if this happens if
this happens to you but how will you
know if it's a true prophet if muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wasallam i don't think he will
come to my dream i'm not a special
person if mirza comes in his dream and
says i'm a liar then what yes if
mirza come to my dream if mirza ghulam
ahmad qadiani because you know how he looks
like so you have pictures yeah yeah so
if mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani comes to your
dream and he says that my beloved bakusi
please leave ahmadiyah i am a liar what
would you say in response if you say
this but uh definitely because it's not logical
because i think he's not a liar and
in my dream you say he's coming to
say he's a liar no be just be
logical just be logical you you the dreams
are not first of all first of all
but but do you believe that shaitan can
come in mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani's uh uh
shabih in his form uh probably because you
know there is a hadith when you make
some uh bad dreams you wake up and
you have to uh say as it was
a fake call and uh like like make
a uh spit on not speaking uh in
the product listen listen you make you just
you're not following our question do you believe
mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani can be imitated by
shaitan or the shaitan can come in your
dream in his body in his shape in
his face in his form can the shaitan
come in his body in his form this
i don't know this i don't know i'm
not an expert in doing so okay i'll
tell you i'll tell you why brother ahmad
might have asked this question if mirza ghulam
ahmad qadiani tells you in a dream that
i'm a liar will you accept it uh
but we don't have to take you to
a dream we can show you in reality
that he said i'm a liar he himself
said i am a liar and we will
show you in black and white he said
he said when he prayed because a prophet's
prayer is accepted he prayed right to allah
that oh allah whoever is the liar between
me and whoever is the liar kill him
in the life of the truthful one kill
the liar in the life of the truthful
one oh allah i pray to you mirza
did this okay and then mirza died within
days and live for 40 years you don't
even need a dream you don't need a
dream mirza told you directly that i am
a liar because he prayed to allah killed
the liar in the life of the truthful
one and mirza died within days of cholera
cholera because he said kill the liar with
cholera kill the liar with cholera he died
of cholera within days and lived for another
40 years now what i frankly i don't
i'm not an expert you have to speak
with a scholar about this no but no
no no no on the day of judgment
on the day of judgment on the day
of judgment when you will be put in
front of allah and you will be questioned
that bakusi these guys brought you black and
white evidence and you said you said speak
to a scholar okay and they were telling
the truth even though you you i had
given you a brain allah will ask you
i had given you a brain to assess
evidence and you rejected it when it was
brought to you because you threw everything on
scholars just like that hindus once again just
like that hindus never when we go to
hindus when we go to christians you know
what they say you know when you know
when we say to christians that trinity is
false you know what they tell us larry
hartado believes in it nt right believes in
it okay william lane craig believes in it
and that gives they give us a list
of phd doctors and academics that these scholars
believe in the trinity how can they be
so stupid therefore i believe in the trinity
and we show them black and white evidence
that trinity is false you are no different
you and qadiani's like you are no different
unless we accept the truth yes let's put
it this way because see what evidence do
you want to prove that mirza ghulam qadiani
was a lawyer what can prove to you
tell us boza boza adnan and boza muhammad
intiaz you know i i came to you
stream because he wait let's have a good
let's have a let's have a good discussion
look we are not your enemies please make
sure okay not my enemies okay thank you
very much thank you very much i'm asking
you a very simple rational commonsensical question that
is there any way which can prove to
you that mirza ghulam ahmed qadiani was a
lawyer is there any way but you you
you ask me a question i believe he
is a prophet of god no no look
brother for example for example you know as
as christian and muslims for example they are
debating with each other that is prophet muhammad
peace be upon him was he a true
is he a true prophet so they are
debates right so i'm asking you i'm asking
you at the end of the day because
you believe and you said last time that
according to you adnan rashid and muhammad intiaz
we are bad muslims right um not bad
muslim okay okay okay wait wait in the
wrong way of okay no no problem because
you are a muslim who believes in mirza
ghulam qadiani and we are muslims who do
not believe in mirza ghulam qadiani is there
any difference in terms of you and us
uh actually what what we want what we
what we have been uh the teaching that
we received from the messiah is to spread
islam every look brother understand the point i'm
asking you is there any way in which
we can prove for example for example prophet
muhammad peace be upon him is a true
prophet is it something verifiable or not yes
it is a true prophet definitely no no
but not a brother prophet muhammad peace be
upon him is a true prophet is this
position or this statement is it verifiable or
not definitely yes how do you verify because
what he says is very logical he his
uh behavior his behavior sometimes people doesn't have
to speak he has uh you know there
is hadith sometime you you see let's stay
here that's you said that his talk was
very rational his behavior was good okay the
best man yes okay no problem what about
uh for example uh you know let's talk
about let's say about about uh mormons okay
about the mormons they believe in joseph smith
as a prophet okay and they would definitely
believe that he was very rational person very
nice person very good conduct is he a
true prophet no but you uh he's he's
not like prophet muhammad i'm asking you brother
look brother brucusi i really find it very
difficult to have a dialogue with you because
either you are not understanding the question or
you don't want to understand i'm asking you
mirza gulam qadiani comes and he makes a
claim that he is the messiah and the
mahdi etc etc right right just now now
now when somebody makes a claim that is
it uh obligation for that person to prove
his claim yes or no yes he has
to prove his okay very good very good
and do you know that mirza gulam qadiani
said that the best criterion to verify my
truthfulness is my prophecies do you know this
his prophecies uh yes but also please listen
do you know that mirza gulam qadiani said
that the best criterion to verify my truthfulness
is my prophecies actually i did not know
that because no no wait look we don't
need to go any further because we need
to have a good discussion you just stay
quiet okay we don't need to just you
know keep talking to each other yes and
because the the end the whole point is
that we want to verify the truthfulness or
falsehood of the claim of mirza gulam qadiani
right yes okay now let's inshallah let me
show you the criteria first and then according
to his own criteria let's see that what
happens is it okay but muhammad imtiaz you
know i because no no no no we
don't need to give our opinions okay i
want to show you no i will speak
about something i just came because we can
speak afterward but first let's you know let's
uh you know discuss something uh you can
say in a more fruitful manner just give
me one second i want to show my
share my screen so i'm gonna share my
screen if you can just please put on
the uh on the on the stage please
let me know when it's there bhai because
i can't see it's there okay thank you
very much now bakusi please let's be honest
in this discussion and look what mirza qadiani
says he says the torah and quran declare
only only prophecy as the biggest proof of
the prophethood rohani khazain volume number 12 page
number 111 i.e 111 bakusi can you
please read this for me so i can
make sure you understood it please read this
one torah and quran declare only prophecy as
the biggest proof of the prophethood what did
you understand from this court torah and quran
declare only prophecy it means that the the
only prophecy which came from the quran and
the torah will be the the most powerful
proof for the prophethood mr bakusi this court
is telling you that according to quran and
torah the best and only criterion only criterion
to verify the truthfulness of a prophethood is
the prophecy now if you think it's my
own interpretation read the next one please read
this one brother to verify to verify the
truthfulness of falsehood of my claims there is
no better criterion that my than my prophecy
okay what did he say but to check
his prophecy you there is the best criterion
not yet his prophecy brother what did he
say please do what did he say you
want me to explain this phrase no no
no what did he say to verify what
the truthfulness of what our falsehood of his
number what okay and then the best way
is to check my prophecy okay then read
the next one if it can proven that
out of my hundred prophecies even one is
false then i will confess that i am
a liar okay what did he say but
it is a phrase i speak by himself
no sorry the the sentence speak by itself
but tell us what is what is it
if one prophecy is false even one he
is a liar okay now because see before
we move further can we both now agree
that mirza ghulam ahmed qadiani has given us
a criterion that if somebody can prove that
one of his prophecy is proven false he
will become a liar agree yes okay now
if we can prove to you at least
one at least because he there are many
by the way but because he himself has
said that just prove one of them as
false and i will be a liar clear
yeah okay now be with me because let's
inshallah you know end this matter at least
uh in some sense okay just be with
me just give me a few seconds let's
uh at least give you one example and
then i want to see that how you
how you engage with that just give me
one second please
brother uh don't don't go too much on
google just with your uh you know with
your keyboard just stay with me then shall
we can google afterwards no no i was
uh he asked me if i have a
dream and to convert to ahmadiyya i was
writing to him let's
inshallah begin and let's see that how you
can help us okay please read this first
one on 21st sorry on 20th feb read
this one yes um on the 20th february
1896 where is 96 where is 96 1886
sorry 1886 uh there's a gulani setup issue
a public announcement on the in the first
part he mentioned that his god has given
him the good news of more wife your
your house will be filled with blessing i
will complete my favors on open you and
you will have many children from the blessed
women many some of whom you will marry
after this okay brother what is the date
mentioned here 20 february 1886 what did mirza
gulam qadiani say what what his god has
told him please tell us uh he will
be blessed with children no no brother no
no no no your house will be filled
with blessing right with good news yes and
please keep reading read the whole thing your
house will be filled with blessing and favors
and he will have many children with uh
from uh from definitely women and uh he
will marry after this also okay now basically
brother wait and be with me now this
last thing that you will have many children
from the blessed women many some of whom
you will marry after this after the after
which date february 1886 okay now my simple
question to you is do you know that
after feb after 20th february 1886 mirza gulam
qadiani did not marry to any women no
this i don't know no i'm telling you
it's verifiable it's it's not something it's not
something because because he has two wives one
of them was hurmat bb there was way
before okay now his only wife who was
with her with him up till his death
she was nusrat jahan begum and he married
to nusrat jahan begum in 1884 when 1884
before this date sorry before this date you
told me yeah he he married to this
woman in what i'm what i'm trying to
say is in this prophecy mirza gulam qadiani
is telling us that in 1886 he is
making a prophecy that his god is telling
him that he is going to marry with
blessed women not one many many many brother
bakusi many and some of whom not one
some of whom you will marry after this
i.e after 20th feb 1886 now i'm
asking you it is a historical fact undeniable
historical fact that after 20th feb 1886 mirza
gulam qadiani did not marry to any women
now you tell me is this prophecy failed
or not this i don't know because i
need to revise this you know okay no
problem but i guess no no no no
no no stay with me stay with me
it's very simple stay with me we don't
need to talk you know without any purpose
just stay with me okay
now let me share my screen and inshallah
we can move further just
one second i'm gonna share my screen can
you see it on the screen now yes
let me make it uh bigger where is
that can you is it is it visible
to you now yeah okay what is this
title this is wikipedia no no what is
this title yeah what is this title i
told you mirza gulam okay is it the
person we're talking about yes okay let's go
on the tab of his spouse can you
see this title spouses okay how many are
them here why can you cross out the
bottom okay sorry can you see brother these
are title spouses can you see this one
yes i can see okay what is the
first one uh and what is the date
of marriage 1852 and what is next one
1884 okay and now what did we read
in the prophecy can you still remember that
yes that after 1886 you will have many
wives okay so the last wife mirza gulam
kadiani had and and don't forget brother bakusi
when mirza gulam kadiani is making that prophecy
he was already living with this second wife
whom he married in 1884 clear yeah now
brother bakusi let's be honest to each other
and let's be honest to the truth according
to this information i have presented to you
is it clear to you that mirza gulam
kadiani did not marry to any lady after
1884 i guess so okay and the prophecy
he made was that he will marry with
many women after 1886 correct according to what
you show me yes yes okay now you
tell me brother very simple brother bakusi i
only gave you two piece of information the
first piece was in 1886 mirza gulam kadiani
said that he will marry with many women
this was first piece of information verifiable second
piece is that after 1884 he did not
marry with anyone if if information piece one
information piece two if both of them are
correct if they are correct would you agree
that the prophecy failed if you according to
what you interpret yes it's fine okay okay
very good very good thank you very much
now brother there is nothing in these two
things which i can give you any further
information because as you said already they are
clear in black and white that means the
gulam in 1886 claiming to have many more
wives after that date but in reality this
did not happen so conclusion prophecy failed and
what did he say don't forget bakusi he
said that if one of my prophecies failed
i'm a liar now you tell me bakusi
what else you want but regarding the did
you discuss with uh our missionaries about this
i'm sure they gave you some explanation no
brother bakusi use your you said before that
you are a rational person right yes my
brother in this particular case there isn't much
to investigate the only thing you can investigate
is number one is it true that he
said in 1886 that god has told him
that he will marry with many women after
this date after this date this is the
only piece of information i gave you because
the other one that the only uh the
wife he married was in 1884 that's a
public knowledge this was not a muslim non
-ahmadi propaganda this is a public knowledge the
only wife he had i'm the second wife
he had was in 1884 end of story
now you instead of using your own rationality
and it's becoming very clear to you what
are you telling me oh go and ask
the missionaries what about you no but i
told you i am not a scholar but
uh this this is something very technical you
know i will not i will not do
something which i don't know oh look at
this one you're the person you believe to
be a prophet is telling you that after
1886 i will marry with many women right
and he did not marry marry with any
not a single what else you want but
uh actually you know that sometimes prophecy can
be metaphorical well i i i will not
tell you something which i don't know i
if you want me to tell you look
brother your time your time is very precious
i believe this our time is i think
also a bit precious if not as as
much as yours please brother don't brother wait
wait just just just just look at your
logic now now you are saying oh maybe
it was metaphorical mirza ghulam qadiani is saying
that his god has told him that they
he's going to have many children and he's
going to marry with many women after 1886
and when he's not marrying with anyone at
all instead of reaching to the right conclusion
that he's not from god he was he
was lying to the people now you're saying
oh maybe it was metaphorical now children are
metaphorical wives are metaphorical dates are metaphorical words
are metaphorical brother then then there is no
criteria then the same thing applies to you
that there is no way no matter what
is shown to you you are stubborn no
not stubborn my friend my brother uh just
tell me the reference i'm sure there is
some kind of explanation because on one topics
small topics which is very old i don't
know these topics frankly i'm telling you when
i don't know i don't know i will
not tell you uh something uh to you
for example i will give you the bad
response what is it what is it brother
bakusi what is it that is not clear
to you in this simple piece of information
what is it you know for example i
i will give you another example you will
you will tell me i change your topics
because i understand the way that you are
speaking so you can give another example afterwards
first first i really want to know i
really want to know that the example i
gave to what is not clear to you
tell me what is not clear is uh
no actually it's clear what you say but
you know um sometimes uh you can get
reference which is some metaphorical uh which is
a prophecy which metaphor like what what what
is metaphorical in marriage it can be according
to the spiritual world you can you can
you can uh get children but this is
your spiritual children you know this for example
you are the spiritual children of muhammad it's
true in the spiritual world it's like this
number thank you i don't want to to
be uh brother bakusi brother bakusi wait look
wait brother look i don't want to say
something too harsh but it's very unfortunate to
see this that you are yet not if
you want to comment no no continue i'm
i'm enjoying the conversation i'm actually not surprised
at all as i said earlier you can
bring the heavens down or you can open
the gates of the heavens as the quran
states these people will say oh we were
deluded or we were mesmerized okay our eyes
are not actually giving us the the the
reality so here bakusi has been shown black
and white unfulfilled so-called prophecy of mirza
gulamah qadiani and instead of accepting and acknowledging
yes there is something very very concerning here
instead of saying that instead of being honest
he's saying it could be metaphorical it could
have another meaning i'm not a scholar i
don't fully understand i don't know how to
interpret this have you spoken to our murabbis
have you spoken to our scholars brother we
have been speaking to your murabbis for the
last year and a half since august 2023
to this day we've been speaking to your
murabbis they have now disengaged they have completely
run away they have left they have left
the field okay they don't want to talk
to us they don't want to engage with
us they have been told by the khalifa
directly do not engage because you cannot defend
mirza gulamah qadiani we have shown you black
and white evidence of a failed prophecy mirza
said after 1886 i will marry multiple women
marriage what we understand to be marriage is
an event that takes place in this world
according to certain rules and regulations okay and
he gave specific dates he gave a time
span but none of this happened okay and
then he said even if one of my
prophecy fails even if one of them fails
okay then i'm a liar okay so if
a prophecy is not to be taken in
reality and if everything is metaphorical then what
is the meaning of a prophecy what is
the meaning of a prophecy if the prophecy
is not real if it doesn't mean what
it actually apparent apparently means so here you
have a clear case of a failed prophecy
and we have a list a multiple you
know a list of multiple failed prophecies a
list of multiple failed prophecies okay before we
get into that brother in task showed you
an excellent example for the book you see
now you tell us actually you know uh
i will check this uh i'm not as
i told muhammad no problem no problem i
will not check this something which i don't
know if i will come back to you
and not by just to just to just
to uh obviously you know people want to
see the original adnan bhai i will put
the original on the screen and maybe you
can read and verbatim translate for them so
just in case if somebody is watching so
yeah we're gonna put we're gonna put the
original page the scan okay official scan you
can see what mirza ghulam kadiani wrote and
then we're gonna we're gonna translate it word
by word so that it's clear to you
and then brother imtiaz has already shown you
from wikipedia which is a well-known source
okay a basic source for basic facts and
it's a basic fact well known that mirza
ghulam kadiani did not marry after 1884 since
he married uh begum sultan jahan okay uh
okay so now we're gonna read this okay
so what is the reference imtiaz bhai the
reference exact reference this is uh this is
latest volume sorry latest version volume number one
page 125 and i first want to show
the date as well adnan bhai can you
see this date yeah
and now obviously it's a big prophecy but
we obviously we want to show what we
want to show here the relevant part okay
so it's majmua ishtaharat volume one and this
is on the website alislam.
yeah okay it's on the kadiani official ahmadi
website it states then allah your
house will be filled with blessings and i
will complete my favors upon you or
and women blessed women okay uh that you
will find after this is you will have
a big progeny and i will increase the
number of your children okay so here what
it is categorically clear black and white or
okay 1886 mirza ghulam ahmad kadiani is writing
this in 1886 that you will marry multiple
women and your progeny will increase and i
will increase the number of your children and
some of them will die in infancy in
young age okay so now this is not
metaphorical this is very physical god told mirza
ghulam ahmad kadiani allegedly in 1886 that i
will bless you i will bless your house
i will get you married to multiple women
and then your progeny will increase you will
have multiple many children some of them will
die in infancy in childhood okay so now
it is very clear that mirza ghulam ahmad
kadiani wrote this in categorical terms okay no
metaphorical business here there's nothing to do with
metaphors here okay so uh that's it after
1886 mirza did not marry any woman and
uh this is unfulfilled okay this i'm going
to ask a question with our because you
know it's very technical brother brother there's no
technical here there's nothing technical this is the
easiest give me a chance to check my
friend my brother what what if what we
have presented is true then what but in
other hand for example you know it's the
story of the old hawk the brother no
no no forget the old luck for that
forget butto and forget general you pan listen
to me what we have told you what
if it's true what if it's true then
what if it's true in your opinion but
as i told you i let me get
a chance to check brother not my opinion
what if it's true that mirza wrote this
in 1886 that he will marry multiple women
god told him not he wrote this god
told mirza ghulam ahmad kadiani that i will
bless you you will marry honorable women after
this not khatun not khatun khatun khatun is
one is multiple women that i will get
you married to multiple women and you will
have children and many of them will die
in infancy okay this did not happen this
one second after 1886 mirza did not marry
one more woman let alone khawateen let alone
many he didn't even marry one woman okay
and he was he said that if one
of my prophecies and it's a prophecy by
the way it's a prophecy because god told
him god told him that this will happen
it did not happen therefore it's an unfulfilled
prophecy it's a false prophecy therefore mirza by
his own standards is a liar because he
said if one of my prophecies is unfulfilled
i'm a liar yes black and white now
and you know bakusi think about this think
about this bakusi mirza ghulam kadiani is giving
these prophecies so people like you me adnan
by any layman can verify his truthfulness right
exactly right bakusi uh yes if you need
or is it for rocket or is it
for rocket scientists yeah exactly if it was
only for technical knowledgeable murabbis then it's not
a prophecy for for you and me no
but uh you you need to to learn
also you cannot accept uh you know any
prophecy or whatever you say or whatever the
prophet muhammad the prophet prophet muhammad the prophet
muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam said that these naked
destitute barefooted arabs are you listening bakusi very
three sorry very clear distinct categorical three characteristics
described by the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam
in very very clear terms these naked destitute
barefooted shepherds he's talking about the arabs the
bedouin the the the desert arabs they will
build tall buildings they will build tall buildings
and not only that they will compete with
each other they will compete with each other
so the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam gave three
distinct characteristics about the bedouin of the arabs
of the arabian desert yeah the scholars of
islam before before the 1950s or let's say
before the 1970s when they were writing on
this hadith okay the scholars they said this
is an is a wonderful hadith it's incredible
in its application and we will we believe
it will happen because they could not imagine
listen to me they could not imagine these
naked destitute barefooted arabs shepherds from the desert
building skyscrapers and competing in them now everyone
knows what that hadith means burj khalifa in
dubai and the saudi saudi burj in jeddah
which is going to be taller than burj
khalifa it's a competition between the arabs to
build and and they are from the desert
both royal families both royal families the royal
family of dubai and the royal family of
saudi arabia they are both from the desert
and they were both shepherds now this is
what you call a prophecy fulfilled to the
letter word by word so there is no
room for any spinning or interpretation left here
we have mirza saying categorically in 1886 i
will marry multiple allah told me god told
me that i'll marry multiple women and i
will have children and many of them will
die in infancy it didn't happen and god
god apparently god apparently lied god lied to
me or mirza light and yeah go on
and what about prophecy regarding when the messi
will come he will kill the pig do
you think it will be literally like yeah
yeah yeah we can do a phd on
that before we get to that phd before
we even get to that topic let's deal
with this one first okay no no wait
wait wait wait why look we have we
can discuss we have because i told you
i have no i don't know i don't
know you do know you do know you
are closing your eyes you are not a
stupid man wait you are not dumb you
are not deaf and i'm sure you're not
blind either okay you are an intelligent man
who can have a conversation you do know
you understand but you are rejecting what we
call kufr who is a kafir a kafir
is someone who knows the truth and rejects
it that's a kafir that's a kafir now
you know the truth that mirza ghulam ahmad
qadiani said this you know the truth that
he also said that if one of my
prophecies fails i'm a liar now you know
the truth that he is a liar but
you're rejecting it you're saying i don't want
to accept i don't want to accept that
i okay then accept then accept give me
sometimes first before you check before you check
wait before you check before you check tell
me if what we are we have shown
you is true then what are you going
to leave the ahmadi cult are you going
to leave it uh if it's true according
to you uh no not according to me
bakusi please stop playing i'm asking you objectively
objectively what we have told you or shown
you if it's true objectively will you leave
the ahmadiyya cult and not close your eyes
objectively yes because you we leave you to
allah that's it that's it that's it i've
got my answer you said if objectively what
we have shown you is true if mirza
did say that if one of his prophecy
fails he's a liar and he if he
did say in 1886 that he will have
multiple wives and multiple children some of whom
will die in infancy if he did say
this that means he's a liar and if
that's the case then you will leave the
cult objectively and if now we leave you
to allah will it is between you and
allah and you cannot not go home and
sit and rest until you find out because
if you are truly sincere you will not
sleep you will not rest until you find
the answer and not a spin not a
spin the real objective answer okay so and
we will see what you can bring it
back to us if you find the the
golden murabi or if you find the the
the angel or if you find if you
have a dream at night with the true
interpretation bring it back to us and save
us from hellfire as well please make sure
thank you i gave my email address to
basheer ahmed to send me all the reference
okay basheer ahmed will do it brilliant and
we we ask allah to guide you we
ask allah to show the truth ask for
guidance ask allah to guide you ask allah
to show you the truth and inshallah allah
will guide you if you're sincere allah will
not leave you uh astray allah will not
leave you misguided if you're sincere allah will
guide you thank you very much thank you
thank you allahu akbar it
cannot be any much easier than this yes
absolutely you can't you can't make it more
clearer and and look this is not just
one example we have multiple examples we can
have we can present at least 20 right
now yeah of failed prophecies examples of failed
prophecies 20 we can do that but it's
going to prolong the yeah yeah adnan bhai
in the lifetime of mirza ghulam khan yani
muslim scholars said that mirza sahib not even
one of your prophecy is fulfilled not even
one not even one is uncontroverted or uncontroversial
every single one of them is in fact
there are so many that are categorically false
categorically false yeah he made black and white
statements okay and they were false okay for
example i always like to bring this one
up abdul hakim patialvi that one is allahu
akbar my favorite that one is so clear
because it's so mathematically coded it's so mathematically
coded you can't even escape from it he
said allah told him that i will prolong
your life longer than what these guys are
claiming that your your life will be because
what were they saying you will die within
14 months from uh july 1907 right and
allah told me that i will prolong your
life and i will make them liars and
your life will be longer than what they
are claiming it will be which is 14
months after 1907 mirza dies within nine months
having claimed this so anyone who is sincere
anyone who has an atom's weight of sincerity
will not follow this cult will not be
a qadiani will not be an ahmadi and
will come back to islam will come back
to the truth yes and you know adnan
bhai one thing i wanted to really point
out uh when bakusi was here we just
inshallah i do it now adnan bhai mirza
himself they have accepted a criterion there are
two things one is called warning others called
the glad tidings mirza said that warnings can
be cancelled for example warnings basically mean that
when a prophet says that if you don't
do this allah will punish you islam nation
yeah yeah okay but when it comes to
the uh the good news they cannot be
cancelled because one thing is called waeed what
is called the wada yes yes allah says
in the quran that allah can never ever
break his promise never yes exactly and this
was the promise of allah allegedly to mirza
gulam qadiani that after this you will marry
with many blessed women yeah the word basharah
is there the word basharah is there the
word basharah glad tiding is there in urdu
it is basharat basharat means glad tiding it
cannot be cancelled okay abdul hakeem patialavi's case
it was a basharat it was a basharat
that i will prolong your life even even
even uh mirza's marriage with muhammadi begum was
also a basharat this was not a punishment
it was not a punishment for muhammadi begum
it proved to be a punishment no doubt
yeah but not for mirza yeah for mirza
it claimed to be a humiliating uh unfulfilled
prophecy so allahu akbar allah guides whom he
wills you know obviously when bakusi will come
back we'll discuss the episode two of this
one the the qadiani clergy they want to
fit this one with muhammadi begum but the
problem is two there are two problems number
one it is a basharat it cannot be
cancelled number one and number two it says
multiple women okay yes exactly if if one
of them was muhammadi what about others exactly
you can't escape and multiple children multiple wives
multiple wives and multiple children two things okay
so will bear him multiple children many of
them will die in infancy okay so there
were there was there were there were no
there was no khatun and there was no
muhammadi begum gone no children no no children
so there's no metaphor here it's quite categorical
and it's an unfulfilled prophecy therefore inshallah you
know you repeat your shahada all the qadianis
and ahmadis out there and next time go
to a muslim masjid okay okay any muslim
masjid that's around you any muslim go and
pray there inshallah and don't ask yeah and
other and other added layer of problem for
the qadiani clergy is as you know adnan
bhai we have a hadith in which it
is mentioned that when isa a.s will
return he will have he will marry and
we have these ahadith now mirza gulam qadiani
applied this prophecy in order for him to
be the messiah he said that this marriage
which i will happen which will which will
which i will have after this point this
will become a sign for me to be
messiah when this marriage did not happen it
was not messiah either absolutely and they can't
put any spin on it they can't come
back and say that he got married to
nusrat jahan and had multiple children but it
says yes it says after this yes so
this is after the marriage with nusrat jahan
begum yeah so basically it's for the future
it's for the future and with these women
he will have multiple children allahu akbar amazing
they're gonna tell they're gonna tell us that
oh it actually meant the marriage of ahmad
and guess what they will say to us
oh look when prophet said that you will
conquer the roman and the persian it wasn't
about him it was about his you know
sahaba so likewise even that spin cannot work
with because god allah is telling him mirza
gulam qadiani he is being referred to in
this you will marry unless you want to
tell us that mirza basheeruddin mahmud's wives were
halal for mirza of course they were not
halal for him he's the father he's the
son right so allah is telling him that
you will marry multiple women okay and have
multiple children and some of them will die
in infancy so none of these spins will
work none of these will work not like
one of the first interactions that i had
with any qadiani or any discussion was actually
a friend and i was trying to bring
him to islam and this was the first
thing i actually brought up and and he
said um you know when mirza said i'm
gonna marry a virgin and i'm gonna marry
a widow and i brought it up and
i said that mirza never married a widow
right because he was planning to marry muhammadi
begum so he just put out that prophecy
and do you know what the response from
murabbi was and i i think a similar
because he's gonna get a very similar response
he said you see when nusrat jahan uh
when mirza was alive so when he married
nusrat jahan and she was a virgin when
mirza passed away she became a widow but
he she was still his wife so the
prophecy is fulfilled that way so we do
expect a similar kind of explanation for this
particular one as well uh just uh we'll
wait uh a week inshallah bakusi comes back
next week with something similar but hopefully by
then bakusi will be a muslim inshallah inshallah
inshallah if he's truly sincere and um uh
just one note you know you know the
second qadiani amni um halifa he ended up
having seven wives and 23 children and he
he used this whole scenario as a banner
uh you know to say look i i
gotta keep marrying so as soon as one
of his wives would die he'd marry a
new one within months yes absolutely so still
doesn't fulfill the prophecy still doesn't he can
he can get married to a hundred women
doesn't doesn't mean that that's uh a reference
to him because his father was told by
allah prophecy came to his father that you
you will be blessed by multiple women marrying
you and you will have children you it
is him not people from his descent okay
if you have concluded we can move on
to our next guest what do you think
imtiaz i think we have brother ahmad and
third as well not on the answer ahmad
and third yeah inshallah so brother okan i
think you can start and then we can
continue our conversation with brother ahmadi yeah ahmadi
is answered i just wanted to uh i
saw you guys online so i'll keep it
short because i'm a muslim alhamdulillah sunni muslim
uh i was looking at a stream from
last year and i just came to the
point where it became very very interesting but
then i had to go and i came
back and i saw you guys online so
i thought you know i might as well
just ask you directly it was um a
stream from imtiaz bay who was speaking with
some guy named ahmad with the picture of
mirza in the back i don't know if
you remember and it came to the point
of where you um where you were speaking
about miracles uh these miracles which correct me
if i'm wrong the the ahmadis see as
not supernatural but just explainable or you know
something along those lines it was it became
very interesting because i was thinking what what
do they think about the quran um then
and then you you said that in the
uh your brother imran his industry his mother
he's moderating he said it and then it
was just a guy who started stuttering a
little bit and it was a really good
question but then i had to go i
didn't get the chance well maybe i should
have watched but i thought it was my
turn in any second so i just waited
uh but that's a really good question so
how is that do they see that as
supernatural or or how can i understand the
quran is if it's not if it's not
supernatural if they don't believe in miracles uh
the quran is supposed to be a miracle
as far as i know yeah do you
want to comment sorry uh what was the
question uh the point that quran is a
miracle they are sorry i missed it yeah
yes and that the then the qadianis don't
believe in miracles so yeah yeah so then
how how is the quran a miracle and
yeah exactly look um when it comes to
miracles uh about mirza they believe miracles okay
uh the revelation itself is a miracle it's
a supernatural thing how was allah communicating to
mirza okay that was clearly not a naturalistic
occurrence it was a supernatural thing first of
all when it comes to mirza ghulam kadiani
they accept miracles they accept the supernatural but
when it comes to prophet muhammad when it
comes to the quran they start spinning them
they start uh casting doubts about those miracles
okay but when it comes to mirza his
ink miracle it is supernatural okay or him
receiving revelation from allah okay uh basically akbar
from the hype from the unseen okay then
it is perfectly uh miraculous when the english
angel brings him revelations i love you i
can do what i can do okay and
i will do what we will do what
we will do something like that okay so
the angel the english angel can be miraculous
teachy teachy not teachy teachy actually teachy okay
uh again is an angel right uh either
it's an angel which is a supernatural being
or it's a human being but mirza said
angel mirza said frishta right and frishta we
know is a malak is an angel that's
a supernatural thing so with mirza ghulam ahmad
kadiani okay they accept miracles they accept karamat
they accept supernatural occurrences but when it comes
to prophet muhammad isa a.s okay they
cannot accept them at face value they don't
this is these are the double standards these
are the double standards different applications of and
let me add mirza ghulam ahmad said he
had das lakh miracles exactly now we don't
know what he does luck lies maybe but
not miracles yeah okay so basically the point
is the point stands when it comes to
mirza ghulam kadiani the supernatural can happen you
don't need to explain anything naturalistically when the
english looking angel came to see him to
give him english revelations that's okay okay because
mirza did not know the english language as
soon as far as we know even those
revelations don't make sense that angel clearly didn't
take english language very seriously when he was
going to school you know or allah did
not teach the proper english language that was
spoken at the time in victorian england or
victorian india at the time this was a
different type of english that allah sent down
to mirza through an english angel so all
these miracles are applicable they are valid when
it comes to mirza and they are supernatural
by the way they're not naturalistic but when
it comes to miracles of the quran for
example isa al-islam making birds of clay
and blowing life into them or bringing dead
to life and uh you know healing uh
you know uh diseased people these are all
mesmerisms these are all just uh you know
uh deception of the eye it's not actually
real it's mesmerism this is the state this
is the state of this cult yes so
okay i just uh okay sorry okay before
you move on adnan bhai it's very surprising
that sometime you know they say things without
even realizing the implication you know adnan bhai
you remember in quran bakara where ibrahim alaihissalam
says to all oh allah how will you
revive the dead that is not right yes
yes of course absolutely look at this one
obviously there is one thing we have shown
multiple times mirza gulam qadiani said that amal
amal tirb amal tirb is basically he himself
said it's mesmerism right yes and he said
it's just like a trickery it's just you
know something is not real but it makes
you think it's real right yes yes adnan
bhai i was surprised and it made it
was shocked for me that mirza gulam ahmad
qadiani said the same thing same thing about
the miracle of ibrahim as well the one
i just mentioned yes now this is the
ruhani volume three page number 506 by looking
at this one and that is how allah
will revive the dead mirza sahib says that
and you should remember what quran has mentioned
about the four birds okay mirza sahib
said that as it is mentioned in the
quran that they were cut into pieces and
they were put on different mountain and then
when uh they were you know called upon
they all came and says mirza says that
this is also a hint an indication towards
amal tirb adnan bhai the point is this
ibrahim is asking allah oh allah show me
something which can you know help me to
understand that how you are going to revive
the dead in return to that according to
mirza gulam qadiani allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
played amal tirb now amal tirb is a
trickery so was allah tricking to ibrahim absolutely
allah was tricking ibrahim that's what mirza is
saying absolutely allah was mesmerizing instead of giving
him a real miracle allah basically tricked ibrahim
into thinking that oh these birds were split
into pieces and they came back to life
okay so either now there are two options
here two options either allah is capable of
doing a real supernatural miracle which is to
bring these dead birds back to life or
one bird back to life okay um or
or allah did the trick so mirza doesn't
believe that allah can actually do a real
supernatural miracle that's why he did amal tirb
but amazingly when it comes to mirza allah
is doing supernatural things allah is sending angels
to talk to him in different languages allah
is sending revelation to him the red drop
yeah the red drop okay all these things
are happening with mirza but they cannot happen
with ibrahim alaihissalaam they cannot happen with moosa
and they cannot happen with isa alaihissalaam amazing
so mirza is a stronger prophet who is
capable of demonstrating proper supernatural miracles not the
quranic prophets basically vis-a-vis the quranic
prophets yeah so there you go that's it
that's the double standard yeah normally just in
case just in case if somebody missed that
point just in case okay in the case
of isa alaihissalaam who is performing the miracle
obviously isa alaihissalaam right now when mirza ghulam
qadiani is calling them amal tirb or mesmerism
or trick and by the way makar or
frame now adnan bhai what is the english
term for makar or frame deception deception yeah
mirza ghulam qadiani said that what isa alaihissalaam
was doing as amal tirb that was a
deception deception now in this case of ibrahim
alaihissalaam there's no prophet showing the miracle it
is allah subhanahu wa ta'ala manifesting his
qudra his powers and if allah is also
doing amal tirb who's the deceiver here no
then who is allah then what is allah
exactly then what is allah what games is
allah playing ibrahim alaihissalaam is asking for a
sign signed beyond the nature the capacity of
nature he's not asking for a camel running
into the desert he's not asking for a
bird running around and laying eggs and the
the the eggs are hatching chicks he's not
asking for the he's asking for something that
will strengthen his iman that will you know
strengthen his jakeen okay because allah asks him
do you not believe allah asks him do
you not believe he says no i believe
but i want to strengthen my belief right
i want to strengthen my yakeen so allah
deceives him according to mirza allah deceives him
so in in other words allah subhanahu wa
ta'ala simply could not bring a dead
bird back to life that mirza could do
miracles mirza could do miracles yes so do
they make an exception for the because the
quran is a miracle correct but just as
writings are miracle as well because mirza ghulam
qadiani was presenting his writing especially his tafsir
of surah fatiha and his khutba ilhamia according
to uh the mirza ghulam qadiani's ideology his
khutba ilhamia or his tafsir of surah al
fatiha which is called ajazi ahmadi etc these
things are just as miracle as quran uh
brother okan it just seems a bit to
me if they don't this uh it seems
a bit of i can't put it into
words because i was still watching the stream
but if if they don't think the quran
then it's supernatural then then what do they
base their beliefs on you know is if
they say we follow the quran and sunnah
this you know yeah it's a very good
question how is it written yeah it's a
very good question i totally agree it's a
good question i wish that somebody was here
to answer this question for us no and
and i think the point is uh mirza
gulam says that he brought the quran back
now he said it left and he brought
it back yeah so he came with with
this new and and in some of his
revelations it was called kitab al-mubeen so
mirza brought now the quran and they're not
accepting this and you know in um brahini
he said it's a kitabullah in the words
of my mouth and then 20 years later
he said no no it was the word
it's it's he's tried to change it but
yeah there's a lot more to it brother
okay just so many questions are right sorry
uh so do they believe that uh last
one and i'll go uh that that mirza
is isa alaihissalam is that what they believe
or that he'll come back is the fulfillment
fulfillment of second coming of isa alaihissalam and
and he is the fulfillment of the prophecy
of isa alaihissalam in surat al-saf when
isa alaihissalam said that that i give you
the the good news of a prophet who
will come after me his name will be
ahmed and with regard to this prophecy of
ahmed now people should think about a very
simple point he's tell in this prophecy isa
alaihissalam is telling us about one prophet ahmed
and jamaat ahmadiyya believes and anybody can come
and we have shown this in the past
adnan bhai remembers and amir haq bhai was
we're showing multiple references where jamaat said that
this prophet ahmed is mirza gulam qadiani now
there was only one prophet ahmed prophesied if
it was mirza gulam qadiani end of story
i was leading up to the question because
i was watching the series on uh the
day of judgment on where isa alaihissalam would
turn back and that would not still you
know be the day of judgment was still
there would still be time and people could
still convert wouldn't that mean he can then
confirm he's not mirza you know what mirza
him brother even simpler than this one mirza
gulam qadiani himself gave us the simple he
said that if quran has not named me
ibn mariam i'm a liar and we all
know there's no such thing in the quran
which says that mirza gulam qadiani is ibn
mariam so end of story there's so many
things okay i'm gonna uh i'll go now
thank you so much guys last thing brother
last thing mirza gulam claimed to be the
second coming of almost every single person from
adam al-asnam to christian baba nanak you
name it he said i'm him oh my
god and that's why he called the i
am i am the mixed space this is
not by the anybody mocking he himself used
the term and even if you speak arabic
both of these two words you can find
the arabic as well and mean like uh
you know something that is like a paste
amalgamation yeah exact amalgamation exactly and compound like
a compound amalgamation or mixture of many things
and that's what brother basheer said he said
that any any entity which mankind is waiting
for i'm the one okay it's just interesting
to watch all this and then interesting thing
is interesting thing is have you ever seen
because you you have seen them with the
posters and the sign messiah has come have
you ever seen them with the poster krishna
has come and mirza said i'm krishna as
well this is this is called inconsistency they
do not have confidence in his in his
if they do have confidence it is their
obligation to tell to tell modi to tell
modi the mirza gulam qadiani is the coming
back of krishna why are they telling but
does hinduism wasn't it that's what i'm saying
he said that any entity which any nation
is waiting for i am the one he
even called himself the king of the arias
badshah okay well it's it's just always interesting
to to follow and and gain more knowledge
you know you use the word interesting in
a very courteous way it's always very confusing
actually we're just using a filler word yeah
brother brother look let's not forget also the
second coming of buddha second coming of rama
if you ever so on the note of
of krishna we we do have a some
brothers at the back one of them is
actually named krishna as a mock i think
so uh if if we can uh if
the brother is is uh done asking a
question for showing up uh we can move
along inshallah yeah thank you so much guys
the guy in the back is not called
hazrat krishna alaih islam is it yeah hazrat
krishna alaih islam oh karyani's actually do say
that by the way you're laughing yeah yeah
exactly exactly krishna alaih islam they do say
that hazrat krishna alaih islam salam alaikum can
you guys hear me yes and i'll clarify
my moniker is indeed uh sarcastic and i
will i will get to some of that
points um i i came on today because
of a point that was raised last week
so apologies for rehashing what you've already discussed
i had to watch the playback last week
if i had been live i would have
joined to discuss it live but brother basheer
will recall this it was the point about
uh tahir nasser's debate with um david wood
uh alongside his brother and in that he
cited uh the bhaivishya puranas as uh um
you know a proof of uh muhammad's coming
and you guys covered it but i thought
i would add a little bit more detail
no and really quick let me correct you
they uh they presented that in their attempt
to prove that islam came to india yes
yes yes so exactly and it the reason
why i think it's so pertinent is because
it's one of the reasons why these guardians
they lack any sort of academic integrity when
they're defending with their sect or religion whatever
you want to call it or making a
point so just quickly the bhaivishya yeah it
is the consensus opinion of sanskrit historians that
the bhaivishya is a total fabrication um obviously
the puranas are comprised of you know many
many volumes the bhaivishya is um the volume
that deals with prophecies um and it's all
it's almost certainly a fake it's corrupted we
know that it's corrupted because iterations of it
have changed over time there's no consistency and
it's it's the unanimous opinion of the historians
on the subject that it's essentially been retrospectively
written there are so many yeah brother it
mentions muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam how could it
mention muhammad if it's 5 000 years old
and and not only that brother this year
why it is so ridiculous you know tahir
nasser when he used to come on these
streams he would always say bro india's you
have blundered adnan you have blundered well tahir
nasser blundered big time when he mentioned this
because the bhaivishya actually depicts muhammad sallallahu alaihi
wasallam as a demon as a demonic uh
figure which which just makes it you know
so clear how stupid it was for him
to cite that but the point that i'm
making is that this is just one example
of these guardians citing a source that is
just complete bunkum uh and and the other
examples can be um jesus in india written
by uh you know mirza which was based
on uh nottovich's uh fabricated theory and we
know that it's fabricated because the people of
the temple who he spoke to they conceded
that you you know he he in fact
nottovich actually conceded that yes the evidences that
he relied on were actually fabricated another example
is um the the turin shroud which is
uh almost scientifically unanimously uh regarded as a
not authentic another one of my favorite examples
is the mirza tahir ahmed um actually believed
the the protocols of the elders of zion
to be a legitimate uh document a legitimate
manuscript so the point that really stands out
is the fact that these guardians will not
hesitate to cite anything so long as it
defends or supports their sort of outlook that
they want to present which completely goes against
the uh sort of um you know common
common decency in in academic discourse how how
greatly it contrasts to you guys who always
back everything up every single point that you
guys present is backed up with uh you
know authentic source references so i have a
few suggestions just briefly i don't want to
take too much of your times but this
this leads me to a few suggestions um
ustad imtiaz has said in the past he
is going to present a stream on the
hindu beliefs of the guardianis i i'm eagerly
awaiting that stream so just uh just a
a polite uh prompt that you know this
is what we want to see uh because
i think it's um it's one of the
main reasons why it's it's actually something that
the late guardianis run away from i i
debate them online i debate them on twitter
i've debated them on the by visha and
i'm really keen to see a stream on
that and the final suggestion that i have
um and it may it may seem as
a little bit light-hearted and comical but
but please hear me out it's i i
watch all these streams and when i look
at the the youtube comments the common the
one of the most common points raised by
the muslim brothers is that they they plead
with you guys to stop referring to mirza
ghulam ahmed as mirza sahib or or something
like you know some some sort of term
of respect i have a solution i have
a very simple solution that actually respects both
sides um of the fence so to speak
we should call him gulam vishnu because he
claimed to be the kalki avatar he claimed
to be the the kalki avatar which is
the the tenth and final reincarnation of vishnu
so by calling him gulam vishnu or even
vishnu you're actually showing respect to his claim
no qadiani can argue against it i actually
i exclusively refer to him as vishnu gulam
vishnu on on x when i debate ahmedis
let's refer to him as that because they
they simply cannot say anything about it because
it's his claim or ground victoria i love
the vishnu because again it links with the
point i made that i'm eagerly awaiting a
stream on on the hindu beliefs um it's
something that no qadiani wants to address i
i refer to him as that all the
time on my x debates and not one
qadiani has pulled me up on it so
let's just refer to him as gulam vishnu
uh but yeah i don't want to take
too much of your time uh you know
you guys are doing some fantastic work again
i apologize for uh deviating from the topic
of today um but i just wanted to
make that point um and yeah and yeah
your thoughts on that but it was that
uh india's would you do you think it's
a good idea to call him vishnu going
forward no i think that it's actually simpler
than that gulam krishna because he's christian as
well yes yes krishna is also the uh
the one of the iterations of uh khelki
so yeah um brother can i can i
give you my notes real quick yeah please
yes so check this out uh the uh
the that book the uh purana bhavishnu i
think what is it called whatever it's called
mr glama has never quoted it so why
are they quoting it hey you know i
i sorry to interrupt brother basheer i i
believe they are quoting it because they want
to give legitimacy to the ancient uh sanskrit
scripture uh some of which is uh you
know predates christ yeah some of it does
it's proven yeah so they want to give
they want to give legitimacy to it it
all links back to them uh claiming krishna
as a prophet that's why yeah yeah yeah
so but um check this out uh uh
the first person that i find who quoted
was um wajah nazir amit who's a lahori
ami the son of wajah kamaluddin he quoted
in the 1950s his book jesus in heaven
on earth and that book was banned in
pakistan by the way because that's super offensive
right um okay then there's that professor in
in surinagar uh kashmir fida hasneen he quoted
it too so the it was republished in
1910 so then it comes back um so
the but the biggest issue is the lack
of scholarship you know all you gotta do
is look this up have you read all
the new stuff that came out about about
uh yusei asa that um shamsuddin figured out
yes yes yep that that's gonna break their
back and mr glama was quoting a book
and he did the same thing he did
the same thing that all mds do uh
um academic dishonesty absolutely it's it brother basheer
it's even the way that they cite hadith
on their official platform i i watch um
i watched their uh jalsa on tv i
watched almost all of it yeah and they
they would cite sayings of uh muhammad and
that'll be it without it doesn't say where
it doesn't say nothing it's like seven letters
bukhari yes uh muslim you know abudal there's
like a few letters a few letters so
okay final point um uh jesus in india
do you know do you know when it
was published uh remind me please it was
after mga died and it was published as
an incomplete book it's not even a complete
book it's missing it's missing over half the
book is missing where where's half the book
and then he quotes the the gospel of
barnabas and he admits that the substitution theory
is in the gospel of barnabas so it's
real and then if you want to read
about his jesus in india theory though you
have to start with that's where it all
starts um he was supposed to finish jesus
in india he didn't finish it it's in
various books and then it's in the review
of religions but uh yeah brother um those
are my notes but fantastic i will definitely
check it i have read jesus in india
and and and yeah the the research that
i've conducted into uh i don't know if
it's notovich or novatovich or whatever his name
is but um he his theory is founded
on fake evidence and he conceded that he
can see bro bro people lie all the
time look i tell people so scholarship i
haven't seen an scholar yet brother and look
i i've i you know the like the
one thing i i love allah for is
allowing me the ability to to do research
you know and and when when i see
people who just don't want to do it
it's just it's very strange to me um
and and this is that's that's a message
for tahir nasser because i know he watches
this he oh yeah do your research bro
bro he even said do any research and
if he did do his research even even
when he mentioned i watched the debate i
watched the full debate and i had to
contain my laughter when he cited the baranas
even david wood and the other turkish uh
gentlemen with him they were laughing at him
uh it's comical to for any muslim to
cite that it's a it's a clear fake
it's a fabricated document and it's anti-islam
it's anti-islamic um but i don't want
to take too much of your time just
my thoughts on that i i think refer
to uh mirza as gulam vishnu thank you
very much thank you okay my brother ahmadi
answered jazakallah for such a long wait bismillah
it's your turn now don't worry i was
um i was busy anyway just until now
it's a good timing how's everyone doing alhamdulillah
brother how are you good yeah alhamdulillah i
just wanted to change the topic a little
bit because um these days uh in the
in the ahmadi jamat often uh if if
you're if you're an ahmadi boy ahmadi man
and you want to marry a non-ahmadi
girl who's a muslim you have to get
a special permission letter or something similar uh
from the caliph because obviously you guys are
a bit more about history the books and
everything where that practice may have originated sorry
about that bro i was just going to
say first they check your agenda record at
the local jamaat that you're in before you
can get married okay they want to make
then they do this bad fraud thing i'm
sorry go ahead yeah so my my question
is where did what's the theological origins for
this because i can't actually it doesn't seem
to be in any of mirza's mirza gulam
ahmed's books that i've seen um i'm not
sure where the practice originated because obviously as
they claim to be muslims um they shouldn't
have any other you know like rules about
marrying another muslim but they seem to have
this new rule about getting special permission i'm
just wondering if you knew where that came
from actually uh if you remember brother in
the last live stream i presented multiple reference
in which mirza gulam qadiani said that allah
has commanded him to cut off all the
ties with the non-ahmadis it's basically their
implementation of this principle that they have to
cut all ties with non-ahmadis obviously when
it comes to the ties or the kinship
or any kind of you know link between
two human being after the parent it's one
of the important one you know your spouse
your wife your husband so i think uh
they're basically implementing that in letter and spirit
right right and remember there's always two sets
of rules so uh the lahori amdis objected
to this they said but uh um there's
a mammoth his sister-in-law married a
sunni so so and and nur ad-din
read the nikah in qadian so they said
hold on you can't say we can't marry
our daughters to muslims because that practice happened
uh and and nur ad-din approved of
it but you know for the mirza family
and for the hierarchy the rules are different
and for the awam the rules are different
i was actually reading yesterday uh basheer bhai
was reading something on on this subject and
i was surprised mirza basheeruddin mahmud was i
think it was you know one book is
called kalimatul fasil by basheer ahmad one is
called kaulul fasil which is by basheeruddin mahmud
you know and in this book in this
book he is saying something along these lines
that even if mirza ulam qadiani through his
action he allowed someone to pray behind the
non-ahmadis we will not take that he
said that we will take what allah revealed
to him this he said that we are
going to understand everything in the light of
what is actually revelation and because revelation says
that you cannot pray behind non-ahmadis so
period you we can't pray behind them so
this is just one example that when it
comes to this kind of animosity they said
we won't even listen to mirza gulam ahmad
right right and when um when uh i
think um went to go go and do
hajj he prayed behind the imam in in
mecca and uh and this was also brought
up that why didn't you approve it well
you know um and then they said uh
mahmud ahmad you also went to for hajj
and you pray but then he said no
i did a fake namaz and then i
did the real one later and you know
to this day it's the qadiani sunnah if
you go to mecca all if you're there
in mecca all the fake go back to
your tent or your hotel and do it
again yeah so yes brother i just want
to clarify because some people are saying that
you know who's this ahmadi ahmadis answer so
brother whatever you want tell about yourself because
people want to know who you are yeah
i'm just uh i'm a parody of razi
that's all i am that's it you know
it's you what for all of his flaws
razi is very good um branding and getting
stuff on the internet and uh alhamdulillah i
have a busy job so i'm quite busy
i don't have a lot of time to
do these things but inshallah i do intend
to uh do something comparable for our cause
as well i try not to uh talk
too much from an islamic perspective especially on
twitter i think it's easier to tackle these
things from a secular perspective because you can
very easily so a this is what muslims
believe and b this is what ahmadis believe
and even a secular person can say well
there's a massive discrepancy there and they don't
seem to be following what uh the other
muslims are following and there's some flaws in
that premise so that's that's basically what this
account is for and i'm sure i'll do
more with it in the future inshallah inshallah
yes brother go ahead no no no that's
all that's all uh jazakallah for your answers
i was just uh it's just the marriage
thing it's very um it's interesting to me
because you know a lot of ahmadis claim
that men like alam ahmad came as a
non-law-bearing prophet so he didn't bring
any new laws and you have this very
clear uh delineation uh that i can't seem
to other you know he said cut all
ties yeah fair enough but that's not clear
enough because uh masroor will still let you
marry uh a non-ahmadi uh muslim girl
if you ask for permission and in some
cases they even let ahmadi girls marry non
-muslim like not even muslim uh men so
this seems to be something new i think
that situation bad but not even that not
not even that like the actual so i've
actually i'm not 100 sure actually so i
won't say but i do know for sure
that there are uh marriages between ahmadi men
and non-ahmadi muslim girls and the girls
don't convert in or do birth so um
it's it seems to be either they're going
against that claim that you have to cut
all ties from ahmad or uh they're just
doing something new and random uh it's just
a bit confusing and you know when it
comes to the topic of taqfeer it doesn't
matter if you know they don't call you
a gafid if they're treating you like one
what's the difference really anyway yeah jazakallah welcome
my brother and inshallah you're more the welcome
in the future as well it's always good
to have your insight jazakallah i think we
have one brother hussein ah yes he said
he'll be back in a few minutes i
don't think he's back yet anyway salam alaikum
i quickly i'm going to bring you back
to the topic of dreams uh i i
really want i want to send this message
to bukusi alhamdulillah he's the his tone is
softening and he inshallah he's coming to our
side inshallah close he's going to take his
shahada soon inshallah so one one very important
message i want to tell you that if
you and to all the ahmadis inshallah if
you see mirza ghulam ahmad in a dream
and he tells like ahmad said i'm a
liar are you going to follow him obviously
your answer is going to say no i'm
not going to follow him that is probably
iblis that is not mirza ghulam that cannot
be true so we are going to ask
you so how are you sure that when
he said that to follow him it was
not iblis pretending to do that because imagine
like brother imtiaz said that paul clearly clearly
that is not true that vision was from
iblis and look at what it has done
it has misled billions of people more than
the muslims i mean the christians right now
they are more than the muslims and inshallah
very soon the muslims will be more than
the christians if they are not already uh
so that was clearly a vision for a
dream from iblis so you cannot use that
argument because we know how mirza ghulam ahmad
looks and despite all the photoshop we still
know how he looks and if the ahmadis
who say that they saw that mirza ghulam
ahmad tell in a very bad position like
the the dream presented like like a pig
and with one eye i know and all
that why shouldn't that dream uh like why
shouldn't those people believe in those dreams you
get my point inshallah that you should if
you have no case because tomorrow when you
go in front of allah you and the
christian who say that i saw jesus i
saw mary telling to pray to him and
you say i saw mirza ghulam ahmad saying
that he's the truth what's the difference in
your cases you both present the same argument
in front of allah so why should should
you be correct and the non-muslim the
non-ahmadis or the christians be uh incorrect
you both have the same case that's why
islam is judged the truth is based on
the quran and sunnah that's why you have
to do like one of the brothers put
in the comments that uh if uh anything
that uh cannot guide to something that is
against the quran and sunnah so we have
clear hadith about the the that rasulullah sallallahu
alaihi wa sallam is the last prophet there
is no prophet after him then whatever dream
comes and even if didn't if hundred minutes
of allah mahmad came in your dream and
told you that there is going to be
a hundred prophets you cannot follow that dream
because it is clearly from iblis because it's
going against the quran and the sunnah so
that is one point inshallah brother because you
can think about that because there is no
way because if somebody sees mirza ghulam ahmad
telling him that i am not the truth
he has to believe him just like he
believed him when he says he's the truth
because the unless you're accepting that he can
and this is the problem again if you
accept that iblis can come in the form
of mirza ghulam ahmad in your dream then
it's game over how do you know when
to believe and when not to believe so
inshallah think about that and on the next
film uh you'll you'll be taking your shahada
inshallah and just remember brothers and sisters we
are think about why we are doing this
we are doing this not because we don't
have any chanda system that you'll be paying
six percent as a subscription fee or 33
percent to or 30 percent to buy a
grave in jannah we're just calling you to
islam we're just asking you to come and
study the quran the sunnah and i we
challenge anybody you will never ever come to
the conclusion that your jamaat is presenting to
you if you study yourself the quran and
the sunnah and the hadith sahih bukhara sahih
muslim and the and the generations the writings
of the generations who came immediately after them
wallahi you will never ever come to the
conclusion that that is the same as the
one that your jamaat is presenting to you
so please think about that that's what we're
calling you back to come and read the
quran and study the quran and the sunnah
don't follow your missionary like because he said
ask my missionary uh your missionary will not
be there in front of allah when when
you're being asked questions about all all those
things that you believe in you you are
not going to say uh uh let me
get uh my murabbi let me get my
missionary to answer this question i cannot i
cannot answer you no there's no you're going
to be responsible for your actions and for
your own beliefs back to you brothers i
think inshallah if brother hussein is still away
then maybe we can end here because uh
there's nobody else in a backstage so i
think uh let's inshallah begin with our star
non-rashid by star non-rashid by if
you want to say some final words before
we end thank you so much brothers and
uh that's it from us alhamdulillah we did
our best to present the now it is
up to uh allah and up to uh
you know you to understand and follow inshallah
and allah is the one who guides allah
is the best of those who gives guidance
so allah guide you we pray to allah
that allah opens your eyes and your hearts
uh we give this time uh so that
we can save as many people as possible
from jehannum and by extension we save ourselves
okay maybe these are the things that will
save us on the day of judgment as
well we are very sincere in this alhamdulillah
allah knows our hearts allah knows our minds
allah knows why we are doing this okay
um and allah accept every single brother's efforts
who is involved and inshallah this is uh
of course a we're going to continue doing
this and we're going to continue to reason
and inshallah we are very optimistic very hopeful
that allah will bring this cult to an
end inshallah thank you so much and ameen
to all your duas over to you yeah
i was just gonna say uh do your
research in this era if you're my age
or maybe 15 years older or 15 years
younger you have no excuse you have no
excuse all you had to do was was
search and compare and contrast you know some
people go shopping and they compare two sofas
or two tvs and say which one should
i buy and they spend more time on
their shopping than they do on their akhira
you know where are you going to go
from here you know there's no other planet
that's going to be um habitable i mean
we're not going anywhere else but back to
allah that's the only that's where we came
that's where we're going back so if you
really believe in that uh do some do
some research okay one page you start with
a page you know uh bakusi was here
i doubt he's ever read any book of
muzik long i'm a cover to cover not
a chance he didn't know when nusrat jahan
um got married and because that has to
deal with the muslim old um prophecy and
all of that yeah probably hasn't read any
of that and you know maybe he can
only read in french fast you know uh
i can read english really really fast but
not in any other language you know and
so i just went and found like english
um sources and i was able to read
you know i can read faster than like
an audiobook because audiobook the person could be
speaking slow so i you know so do
your research no one's going to be be
there to help you no excuse is going
to work allah already knows what you're going
to say it's you know uh you know
and if you're a family member of mine
you're really in big trouble because there's a
lot of evidence against you i just went
and wrote 4 000 essays and you didn't
read one or or you read them and
you were afraid what were you afraid of
um a divorce you were afraid of none
of that means anything the the reward is
jannah and that's the all that should be
the only goal ahmed by or to you
uh is is not here but uh maybe
i can take it his uh his spot
and give some advice to our muslim brothers
and sisters as well uh when you engage
with the ahmadis uh remember remember that uh
they're always looking for for for excuses not
to engage or to accuse us you remember
that like uh they tell the they tell
the the the the cult members that we
hate them that we we are we are
we are full of hate and we just
want to kill them the moment we see
them so please uh be compassionate with them
and engaging with them don't bring that don't
bring up like uh like poor arguments about
uh how he died about he died on
the toilet and all this this is not
this is not not not useful information when
you're doing that to somebody this is not
important we don't care about how he died
whether he died in a plane crash whether
he died in a five-star hospital it
doesn't matter how whether he died peacefully it
doesn't matter there's more important things that like
like it was presented today that he died
because of a challenge that is more relevant
than how he died i mean how he
died okay the cause of the death he
died because we said like he had a
stomach ailment they all agree on that actually
they they they tried to twist it and
say uh he died peacefully but yeah the
fact of the matter is that he had
a disease and he had he used that
as a challenge like it was presented before
so please uh don't make this uh poor
arguments and use uh use the strong arguments
that are presented by the mtrs as you
saw that what's his name moiz moiz qureshi
came and he thanked uh the streams that
he learned a lot from the streams and
he used these arguments and alhamdulillah he's using
them to do the dawah and uh we
hope you will all do the same and
may allah reward you for all your efforts
and remember us all uh in your duas
and uh yeah that's all i have to
say if i just had 10 seconds for
the ahmadis please remember when you're giving us
an alternate reference you're just helping us prove
our case that mirza gulam ahmad was contradicting
himself and according to him the words of
a liar will have contradictions so when we
present an argument that this is he said
like for example the hadith of all the
hadith about the mahdi are weak he said
all the hadith about the mahdi are weak
and you give us an argument that no
he said some of our hadiths are not
weak then we say thank you for proving
he's a liar because that we we always
say he's contradicting himself and according to him
somebody who contradicts himself is a liar so
just take note that when you're presenting counter
references you're just proving that he's contradicting himself
uh your insight was very beneficial and may
allah make it even more beneficial and may
allah allow it to sink into the hearts
and minds of common ahmadis so inshallah as
uh my last word i would say first
of all i would uh invite obviously some
people might not have watched it online so
in the end i just want to make
this statement again that you know as common
ahmadis that in your community this dream thing
is very big i mean people are telling
that you know they have these dreams and
visions and through this dream and vision either
they themselves or their forefathers they came to
the quote and quote truth of ahmadiyah we
are simply asking you one question they are
dreams on the both sides they are people
from your community and in this stream we
have given many such examples they have left
ahmadiyya ideology on the basis of their dreams
now if we have dreams on the both
sides then you yourself telling us your your
khalifa is telling us mr tahir is telling
us that only those dreams will be taken
or will be true dreams in which is
approved i'm really asked this question to your
own self that is it really a criterion
if you are saying that only those dreams
are true which approve mirza ghulam kadiani then
you can clearly see it's not a criterion
then why are you presenting this dream and
the reason i'm saying this you because you
know this very well that you guys are
taking this as a big evidence of the
truth of ahmadiyya ideology all of these dreams
secondly i will request all of you my
dear brother sisters in in ahmadiyya community obviously
there are many things many things which we
have presented in this past more than one
year now if you want to focus on
one thing one thing just please watch again
our discussion with bakusi one one common ahmadi
in which we simply presented one thing just
one thing that in 1886 mirza ghulam kadiani
was publishing his prophecy that god has informed
him and given him the good news that
after this point mirza ghulam kadiani is going
to marry with many blessed women and he
will have many children from them now it's
historical fact after 1884 he did not marry
with any women so is it not true
that this was a failed prophecy and then
mirza sahib himself has told us that if
one of my prophecies failed i'm a liar
please you tell us what else you want
us to present so i will encourage all
of you obviously these are long live streams
watch them on your own pace watch them
bit by bit you will definitely find something
in these streams which you can relate with
i will end with this dua may allah
subhanahu wa ta'ala guide all ahmadis to
the truth of islam may allah subhanahu wa
ta'ala forgive our shortcomings and may allah
allow us to do this cause in a
way which is pleasing to him subhanahu wa
ta'ala you