Abu Taymiyyah – Part 13 UsoolusSunnah of Imam AlHumaydi

Abu Taymiyyah
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The "weaker part of anipsy act" is defined as the "weaker part of anipsy act" and can lead to problems such as depression and loss of life. The importance of accepting and not denying statements of Allah subhanahu wa " wa " is emphasized. The "weaker part of anipsy act" is also discussed, including the negative impact of feeling sad and the importance of accepting and not denying statements. The potential reasons for falling into a certain type of condition include a lack of focus on one's political positions, a fear of others, and a desire for satisfaction. The importance of learning and practicing Islam to avoid negative consequences is emphasized.

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			A disease, a poison that has hit our
		
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			Ummah,
		
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			which is the disease of tafir.
		
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			Calling someone,
		
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			these guys are mitzvotiba,
		
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			when in reality,
		
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			the correct conditions haven't been met.
		
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			Or when we see, for example, a person
		
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			now
		
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			drinking alcohol for 45 years,
		
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			or he is involved in a river for
		
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			maybe 50 years.
		
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			We come in and say,
		
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			this guy,
		
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			he only drinks alcohol and he
		
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			deals with interest
		
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			believing that it's halal.
		
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			Always he wouldn't do it. So you will
		
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			see that happen.
		
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			Does that necessity
		
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			that I believe that this is halal, which
		
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			is not the kufar.
		
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			To make something that is haram, halal, or
		
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			halal, haram,
		
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			insha'Allah what I'm going to do, I'm going
		
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			to read, where we stopped
		
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			and take it on from there insha Allah.
		
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			They
		
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			were
		
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			peers.
		
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			They were peers. They were people
		
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			that were contemporaries.
		
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			And
		
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			and also
		
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			I have to
		
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			fiance,
		
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			I've talked this before, that the iman
		
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			consists of 3 parts.
		
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			Type, d three that we just mentioned. And
		
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			if one goes missing, then none of
		
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			the of the iman is not
		
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			there in reality.
		
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			So the 3 pillars 3 pillars of the
		
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			definition of the iman.
		
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			Also took that the iman increases and decreases.
		
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			When a Zani, a fornicator is performing,
		
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			he's not a believer. Does that mean his
		
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			whole iman is gone? They either taf or
		
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			no? Of course not.
		
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			The whole point is the prophet salallahu alaihi
		
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			wa sallam said that is the weakest part
		
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			of an iman. The weakest part. That shows
		
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			you that iman goes up and down all
		
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			the time. Even the guy,
		
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			the,
		
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			the one that's stealing or is running around
		
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			on the streets to drop the
		
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			After the end,
		
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			from an intellectual point of view, you find
		
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			that even the guy that's on the street
		
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			that knows he doing things bad
		
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			make dua to me. My iman got you
		
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			know, my iman is done at the moment.
		
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			Even sometimes we feel like that.
		
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			We were doing so much a bad that
		
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			imans sky hide.
		
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			That the yamulay that we used to do,
		
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			so we feel like the iman is decreasing.
		
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			Now we've got
		
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			the hadith, the the
		
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			Quran
		
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			When the ayat over to them, the iman
		
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			increases. So just a quick point, brothers, if
		
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			we want our iman to increase,
		
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			we wanna get closer to Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala,
		
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			one thing that we can hasten to doing
		
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			is what?
		
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			Reciting the Quran.
		
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			It's a means of us coming out of
		
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			the problems that we have
		
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			and getting an increase in our iman.
		
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			Whatever the sin that we might be doing
		
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			might be,
		
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			go back to the Quran. Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala tells you.
		
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			Nobody can tell you like Allah Subhanahu Wa
		
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			Ta'ala tells you. Why don't you like Allah
		
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			Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala. Sometimes time and time are
		
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			getting funny.
		
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			You tend to find that we tend to
		
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			go back to other people when it comes
		
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			to looking for happiness
		
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			or problems to be solved in our lives.
		
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			Like the lord subhanahu wa ta'ala said, Nobody
		
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			can tell you like Allah
		
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			I'm suffering,
		
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			going through depression, I've got this problem, and
		
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			then he goes where to the NHS?
		
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			They have a plan on that. Why are
		
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			you depressed? Or how to get a depression
		
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			sorted out.
		
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			And also panel tells us, man, you may
		
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			as well. Man, you start. And nobody can
		
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			tell you back here. You don't need to
		
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			pay for the you don't need to pay
		
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			for
		
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			the
		
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			From the men and the women.
		
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			And he's a believer.
		
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			1st condition, he does good deeds. And he's
		
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			a believer.
		
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			Go to what Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala told
		
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			you to do. All the depression, the problems
		
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			that we're having, you find that it gets
		
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			taken out
		
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			by the way of Allah
		
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			kid. Until nothing remains.
		
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			Rather, until nothing remains, the iman goes down.
		
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			The Hawaris, I wanted to mention, but I
		
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			remember now, the Hawaris, they say, none. The
		
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			iman
		
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			They'll say that to you.
		
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			But when it decreases, it goes away altogether.
		
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			Let me give you an analogy for 1.
		
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			You know the pizza.
		
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			Let's just say that the iman is the
		
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			pizza.
		
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			If a person now
		
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			does something that is deficient
		
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			or he commits a sin, what happens?
		
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			The iman goes out, What happens now when
		
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			you take one slice out?
		
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			We say that the peace is incomplete,
		
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			but the peace is still there, the peace
		
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			is still there.
		
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			Same is the iman.
		
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			You do a major sin, you take out
		
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			the that is upon you to do, it
		
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			becomes deficient.
		
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			They're not the Khwarezhs, they say, if a
		
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			bastard now does a major sin, catch it.
		
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			If not one piece of the piece that
		
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			goes missing, that's not for the pizza.
		
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			In simple terms like that, that's not that's
		
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			If Musa alaihis salatu san, then
		
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			this hadith is a clear example for us
		
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			that one cannot see. None Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala. I'm talking about when
		
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			one is awake. As for one seeing Allah
		
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			subhanahu wa ta'ala in a dream,
		
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			So we will see our mosque subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala away,
		
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			Arun Mashar.
		
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			And then in Aljina,
		
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			there's a hadith.
		
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			The people of Jannah will say, do you
		
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			want anything else?
		
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			It will be said to them.
		
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			They
		
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			will
		
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			say,
		
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			Haven't you made our faces glow and white
		
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			and entered us into agenda?
		
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			After they say this, it will be said
		
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			to them,
		
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			and the closest being to this,
		
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			they will be shown all the hijab that
		
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			is between them and Allah will be taken
		
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			off.
		
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			And then they haven't been shown anything better
		
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			than the face of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.
		
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			May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala make all of
		
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			us from those that say, Omar al jayd.
		
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			Haven't seen anything more sweeter and greater than
		
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			the face of Allah azza wa jannah.
		
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			So how do we go about
		
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			you know, when it comes to I touched
		
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			on it last week, when it comes to,
		
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			2 weeks ago.
		
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			Shim.
		
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			All of this we accept.
		
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			We accept
		
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			without doing takif.
		
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			We don't go into how
		
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			in the sin of the Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala.
		
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			And we do not negate it.
		
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			We don't go
		
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			into that.
		
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			The heavens
		
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			will be folded in the hand of Allah,
		
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			I told you.
		
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			We accept it. We don't say like these
		
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			orientists and these Asha will happen, who use
		
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			their intellects before the Quran and the sunnah.
		
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			I say, how is this possible?
		
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			This doesn't accept my mind.
		
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			You are a slave
		
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			that has been told to worship Allah Subhanahu
		
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			Wa Ta'ala, and you accept what Allah subhanahu
		
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			wa ta'ala said. Then after I go for
		
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			the hikmah.
		
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			And I don't know if I mentioned this
		
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			example before.
		
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			You know, brothers and sisters,
		
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			how we have
		
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			stones on
		
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			in a hedge.
		
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			It had to be throwing we are we
		
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			are throwing stones at what the jamaat.
		
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			You worship
		
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			because you are a servant, and Allah subhanahu
		
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			wa ta'ala told you to do so, and
		
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			simple as that. Check what comes off the
		
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			why do we stone this, why do we
		
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			do this, ask the question Baday
		
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			or look for the wisdom off top.
		
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			Stop
		
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			where the people before you have stopped.
		
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			They stop your knowledge.
		
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			They base their stopping where they stop their
		
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			knowledge.
		
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			Keep it like that, accept it into law.
		
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			When it comes to these sifat, these ayat
		
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			to sifat.
		
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			Where is
		
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			the
		
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			Sometimes you go to madrasa, and I've seen
		
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			these Muhammadis.
		
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			They come out thinking the Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala is everywhere.
		
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			The necessities the Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is
		
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			inside me. He's inside you. He's in the
		
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			toilet. He's also in the sewage. That's what
		
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			it means.
		
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			If we say, the laws of Canada like
		
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			the island everywhere,
		
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			that means it's in every single place. And
		
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			this is what some of the kids they
		
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			come out
		
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			Allah Subhanahu
		
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			Wa Ta'ala. He is with you wherever you
		
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			are.
		
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			Can anyone
		
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			put the 2 together?
		
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			Now,
		
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			the whole ayahulani
		
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			is talking about
		
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			il.
		
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			And do you know the Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala? Do you see the Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala knows that which is in the heavens
		
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			earth.
		
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			Never are 3 people speaking in secret
		
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			except Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is the 4th
		
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			one. Yeah, he knows what's going on.
		
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			All 5 people speaking,
		
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			he's the 6th one.
		
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			He's with them wherever they are,
		
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			with his knowledge.
		
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			He knows that which is going to be
		
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			born in the secret start taking place
		
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			and everything that takes place in this universe.
		
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			Even though, if I'm in, there's a big
		
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			dispute now in the world, whereas, Allah, Allah,
		
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			we find this topic all the way, all
		
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			the time being spoken about.
		
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			And we mentioned this time and time again
		
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			before,
		
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			how? What is the reason now? How can
		
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			we now differentiate between our Ara, our opinions
		
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			and our positions?
		
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			Tafsir
		
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			al
		
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			Salaf
		
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			How would the Sahaba
		
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			understand these matters?
		
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			How do the Sahaba
		
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			take this particular matter?
		
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			Who do we have?
		
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			Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is above the heavens
		
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			and at the same time he knows what
		
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			you got
		
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			or a man
		
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			between the two methods and it takes to
		
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			have this confusion. Why? Because you have the
		
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			statement of al Soham al Jaleel.
		
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			Also Zaynab bin Jah,
		
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			she said,
		
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			She was boasting to the rest of the
		
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			prophetess allahu alaihi's sons wife.
		
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			She said, your family is what you don't
		
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			marry off.
		
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			Was always in your Allah who men focus
		
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			on my what?
		
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			But Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala got me married
		
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			off from above the 7 heavens.
		
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			And there's many many many proofs. Many proofs
		
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			is funny to show that Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala is above his throne. And it's a
		
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			dangerous feat. Allah keeps coming up thinking that
		
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			Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is everywhere.
		
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			No?
		
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			But he
		
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			and this is what I wanna
		
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			maybe touch on a bit more today inshallah.
		
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			And we do not say
		
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			Anyone that has exited
		
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			anyone that has exited
		
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			against whether the person was a Sahabi or
		
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			a ruler.
		
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			Any legislative
		
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			person that have authority upon the people, Hamir.
		
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			You've gone out against him?
		
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			This person is
		
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			yeah. I mean, he comes under the He
		
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			comes
		
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			He comes from the That's
		
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			where the word it comes from the word
		
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			Someone coming out.
		
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			The Khawarij
		
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			that went against Usman,
		
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			they went against him. They exited against
		
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			We do not say at the Khabadi state,
		
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			the imam he says here,
		
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			And we do not
		
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			make the fear
		
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			on anyone due to what he has fallen
		
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			into from his gunwah sins.
		
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			If this person now says about his believing
		
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			brother,
		
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			he's the and
		
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			he doesn't deserve this,
		
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			Either it comes back against him,
		
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			either it comes back against him,
		
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			or Yeah, I mean he has spoken the
		
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			truth in regards to our
		
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			Allah testing us before we get to kufr.
		
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			If it's not now or maybe in the
		
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			future, all the hadith is seen as what?
		
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			Someone that
		
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			knows that your blood is haram.
		
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			Now, I believe that my brother here, his
		
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			blood is haram. It's haram. I don't touch
		
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			it.
		
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			And that's halal. To make something that's halal,
		
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			and we're gonna come to that inshaAllah.
		
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			And there's conditions
		
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			and preventative factors.
		
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			And inshallahta'ala, I'm mentioning in summarization.
		
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			There is 5 preventative factors that we understand
		
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			that we understand the conditions.
		
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			That when now a person falls into kufu,
		
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			you cannot make takfiq, you cannot say that
		
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			guy is a kafir
		
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			straight away.
		
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			The first one,
		
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			Al Shaba.
		
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			You know, brothers,
		
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			I personally said in my lecture many times
		
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			before,
		
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			not many times, a few times maybe,
		
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			that maybe the Sahaba of Kufar.
		
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			Quffar. I personally said that, listen,
		
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			I'm speaking about the Sahaba, I said the
		
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			Sahaba Quffar.
		
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			I'm speaking about who? I'm speaking about Abu
		
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			Jahl, Oyomkin Fulan, and Fulan. But a slip
		
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			of the tongue makes me end up saying
		
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			what?
		
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			And let me give you a hadith.
		
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			A man,
		
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			All his stuff were on there.
		
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			And he's in the middle of the desert.
		
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			He runs away from him.
		
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			He goes and sleeps now under what? The
		
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			tree.
		
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			Khalas, his lost hope. Alayhisar,
		
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			as a human hadith.
		
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			Alayhisar.
		
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			He wakes up, he finds
		
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			the donkey or the riding camel or the
		
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			riding manual in front of him.
		
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			He jumps out of happiness,
		
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			Did the prophet
		
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			say he's a kafir? He never said this,
		
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			he said,
		
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			He
		
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			fell into mistake due to severe happiness.
		
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			Sometimes,
		
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			if I say, look, we know that I
		
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			teach the fa'bai, the sahaba, and etcetera. If
		
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			I come around tomorrow and I accidentally say
		
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			the sahaba of afar, for you to say
		
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			I'm a is
		
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			totally wrong. You have to find akhir, do
		
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			you know what you said?
		
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			Do you know what you said?
		
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			And then I think, what did I say?
		
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			Now, and I realize what I'm saying, I
		
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			take it back.
		
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			So the first one is what? The
		
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			second one is
		
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			Forgetfulness.
		
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			Doing something an act of effort, act of
		
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			forgetting something.
		
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			We have a brother now who's called who
		
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			was called Jacob and I became He
		
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			entered into Islam.
		
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			The mic, or he's telling his family members,
		
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			It's okay to do.
		
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			And we mentioned before what? To make something
		
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			like haram halal or halal haram is what
		
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			kofr without any doubt.
		
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			So now, Yahu is telling his family that
		
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			Zinai's halal is full and Tukufr.
		
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			Is it correct for me not to go
		
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			to yaku straightaway? You're a cafe.
		
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			I call yaku talia yaku.
		
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			I told the people now that zina is
		
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			halal.
		
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			And then he goes, I'm sorry. I'm gonna
		
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			make stuff for Allah too bada and he
		
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			takes it back.
		
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			He takes it back.
		
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			There is work for this one.
		
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			Us. And you cannot make it to feel
		
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			and save this person but capture until you
		
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			do it all that you have to reject.
		
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			You have to establish the root here.
		
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			The third one,
		
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			being forced into doing an act of.
		
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			If someone now holds a gun to my
		
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			head
		
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			and I know he's gonna pull the trigger
		
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			if I don't do it and he says
		
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			to me
		
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			or he ordered me to leave the religion
		
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			of Islam or to swear Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala a messenger to insult them.
		
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			Aya came down. If you ask them, they
		
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			will say, they are only joking and playing.
		
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			Allah said,
		
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			Allah
		
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			said, Say to them, you want Allah, his
		
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			messenger, his ayaat,
		
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			no excuses, they have now become kuffar.
		
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			Mocking,
		
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			say for example that the Quran is like
		
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			a Harry Potter book, as a joke, I've
		
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			heard people say it mahonias.
		
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			As a joke, they say.
		
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			The Quran is a Harry Potter book.
		
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			This guy is a kafir. You don't need
		
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			to comment on Hajar. You don't need to
		
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			call this guy because he came clearly in
		
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			the Quran. These people, they were only joking
		
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			and playing. It's one of the only things
		
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			that doesn't need
		
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			you to call the guy and ask him
		
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			why are you doing this? Because he knows
		
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			it's wrong and he's only doing that as
		
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			a joke.
		
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			The fact that he done it as a
		
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			joke knows that he knows,
		
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			shows that he knows what he's doing is
		
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			incorrect.
		
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			Are you with me?
		
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			That's for that action. As for other actions,
		
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			you have to call the guy, you have
		
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			to tell him, you have to remove the
		
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			doubts, etcetera.
		
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			If
		
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			someone now says to me and puts a
		
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			gun to my head and he says to
		
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			me,
		
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			mock Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala's Messenger, which is
		
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			mentioned as an act of
		
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			If I do that now and I curse
		
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			Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala his messenger, you cannot
		
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			make that clear of me.
		
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			Because of Iqraah,
		
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			someone being forced to do something. It is
		
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			allowed for one to fall into kufr
		
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			out of falsefulness.
		
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			Allah subhanahu
		
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			wa
		
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			ta'ala
		
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			says,
		
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			except for the one that has been forced,
		
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			but at the same time he has iman
		
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			in his heart.
		
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			He doesn't intend it with his heart.
		
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			Now, as long that happens,
		
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			that's it that prevents the factor.
		
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			The 4th 1, jahil.
		
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			The 4th 1 is jahil.
		
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			I'll give you a similar example as the
		
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			second one.
		
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			Jacob,
		
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			aka Yahu, has come into the religion
		
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			and he started now
		
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			praying to the grave.
		
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			He started not praying to the grave.
		
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			He doesn't know. He's new to an Islam.
		
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			He's new to an Islam.
		
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			You cannot make takfir of this guy straight
		
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			away.
		
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			Jahann.
		
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			What's the proof of this?
		
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			The Sahaba who are walking
		
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			to the Battle of Hurin,
		
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			they went past a tree called that and
		
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			what.
		
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			The Musharix, they used to hand their