Abu Taymiyyah – My Regrets in Da’wah . w John Fontain Young Smirks PodCast EP39
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The speaker discusses various topics related to Islam, including a drama animal health video, a man named Allah who stuck on a woman, and a woman named Hakeem who felt pressured to act on a situation. They suggest individuals should not be labels as terrorist or anti-American, and the transcript describes various topics related to Islam, including a drama animal health video, a "by the way" (the head of a woman in Georgia), a man named Allah, and a woman named Hakeem who stuck. The speaker suggests that individuals should not be labels as terrorist or anti-American.
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You know the controversial
sometimes you know what somebody says to you can like really have a
bigger impact in your life, then one doing something to you, right?
And he said to me, you're not going to memorize the Quran
will lie that tore me apart, like I would say the certain parts of
dower that you that I believe you are involved in, that I personally
felt like
I would say was unjust. So when the video got released, I watched
it twice.
And obviously, is that the heat of the moment?
And I'm not trying to downplay what I did, because he was wrong,
I believe, right. And I'm gonna come on to that for more detail in
a moment. And I spread that video.
Around that time,
I dropped a message to Dr. Hasan.
And I said, Look,
I disagree with you on and I don't want to go into the ins and outs
because it was a private message, right. But I said to him, I did
not do to do on you. I never called you an innovator.
Okay, this is not my place. So just so you know, that
I did not do that today. This is not my place as a small student of
knowledge. Like, it's not for us to kind of like even if I spent
eight years now studying, it is not my place to be doing this.
And everything just goes one at and then you're angry. And you're
and I don't know, me and him haven't had the conversation in
that period. See what I'm saying? I think I think I think you might
not realize how everything came across me because because they
were very upset. If I go around, labeling you a terrorist in the
UK.
Imagine that. Imagine that. The government, if anyone hears that,
right, the police, they're gonna have to research that room.
They're gonna have to now do a report on you. They're gonna go
and maybe raid your house. You know, check your computers. Do
some back you understand what I mean? It has implications. You
everyone understands that if you go around labeling people a
terrorist that is a problem that is a huge problem and that's
exactly what it is in Muslim countries. Okay, John, will lie
that night I think I watched the eight times
and I think around the sixth for the seventh time, I just broke
down into tears Walhalla the
I went to the camera. And even before before that there was times
when I went to the Kaaba asked Allah azza wa jal that's how much
the issue was really bothering me right? Because obviously these are
your friends. They've told you something. And I know now if I'm
wrong I have to clarify this publicly.
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Okay, this may lie Rahman Rahim. Salam aleikum. Hello. Welcome to
the ultimate podcast and so some of my carbohydrate
Subhanallah it's been a long time bro.
Last time I seen you know last time I was on the floor of Mina.
panache Archie was when we run into each other with shower,
Okasha Kamini wasn't that the last time
that we saw one another? Because we met with him after hedge, right
that was after hedge Yeah. Oh, yeah, that would have been the
that would have been the last time of the year and the last time he
was a senior very briefly. Yes, it was really fun and I think it was
minute as Oh, did you walk into the attendance zone?
handler
Medina, I remember the meeting Akasha Mashallah. That was a nice,
very nice, yeah, very nice. So yeah, how you do handler can
dinner. So I decided to give you a call because Subhanallah there's a
lot going on right now. Yeah. And I was not expecting your course
Panama. Why really wasn't like to basically do a podcast around this
time. Yeah, I have to admit that
I personally have
made a conscious decision in the past to
not associate with certain people and too many people because of the
controversial issues that kind of surround
like groups of people or individuals etc. And because my
dad was very simple my you know me I'm just giving basic that over to
non Muslims and in African everything so, you know, for a
long time, I mean, I've visited you in Medina, mashallah many
people and
I've always got on well with you mashallah, you know, I've always
felt a nice relationship personally.
But yeah, I mean, I just thought, you know, why not? Let's, let's
have a podcast. And I understand that like, you know, it is
something that everybody to some extent really looks at.
Reputations can be tarnished.
Depending on who you actually line up with, because people have this
way of looking at things. So when so lined up with so and so that
means it's perfectly fine as all. So let me go and you know, listen
to him. If somebody's like overly controversial, someone else being
seen with him, he's going to be brushed with the same paint. So
it's totally understandable sometimes.
You know, there's massage, they trying to organize certain
programs and conferences, and they might not necessarily want to have
a particular individual involved, just because of the backlash they
might get. And I fully understand that when they say they don't want
to bring so and so on the same panel as myself or whatever have
you I fully understand that, you know, different things I looked
at.
If somebody was to do that with me, I would fully understand
though,
because your Islam, are you being upon the Sunnah is not totally
dependent on you bringing me on, do you see what I'm saying? So
that's one thing, but then there's another extreme as well, just
because so and so doesn't want to,
you know, have controversy around them. He goes an extra step by
warning as an individual. And I think that's wrong as well. You
know, one is, you know, Allah says in the Quran, like, like Rafi deen
is no compulsion in the religion. Right? That's with regards to
religion. So who's forcing you now? Saying that you have to do
that with me? It's not something that is compulsory, right? Yeah.
So people look at these things in a different way. And I've never
taken it never took it personally. And, and I really just see, you
know, where, the way they think they look at things and yeah, you
know, before we get into the discussion, I want to just give a
brief background about yourself. Where are you from, bro? What is
your background? You know, I've always wondered like, what is your
like? Subhanallah I'm gonna maybe send you the screenshot. Oh, and
recently, somebody sent it to me. It's a very, very, very old post,
right? Maybe over six years old. So yeah, there was a very old post
some brothers from America got in contact with me. Or live you if I
show you that post.
You're not going to stop laughing. Okay, brothers from America got in
contact with me saying that.
What did he say? Again? He said something like,
and he's got he's got like exclamation mark Erstad like
exclamation marks, right? I'm thinking this guy, right, like,
and then he sends another couple of messages saying me and a bunch
of brothers in America had a debate. Okay, what's the debate
about that debating about where I'm from?
So I just looked at the message and started laughing and never
responded back to him. He responds back again and he
like people are debating here people is getting heated in the
discussion I'm thinking people on the other side of the world that
debating my nationalities, IGF Subhanallah but people tend to us
all the time somewhere you know people ask like are you
Portuguese? Are you Spanish? Are you this Are you that but I think
it's best to keep it anonymous insha Allah
knows how
much
mashallah, if he will say sometimes, like, are you an Arab?
Are you Somalia, you this so, yeah, I like the fact you know,
the more people don't know stuff about you, the better is that you
know, I believe
sometimes people ask questions to try to find out by your private
life and the more well known you become, okay. The more sweet the
conversation about you becomes, as you know, it's quite interesting
actually, because certain cultures are known to back their own
people.
Specifically the Somali culture just to put it out there a all the
Somali sheiks mashallah their people suppose.
So, the point is that there's, I guess there's a wisdom in you
know, letting the, you know, the lectures or whatever speak for
themselves. So yourself you mashallah, you are a student of
knowledge, a very serious student of knowledge and your journey. How
did it begin?
Span I started with an incident took place in
in one of the messages that I was studying
here in Leicester.
It's called message fella has and Highfields. Anybody from Leicester
will know whether msgid is right next to Islam and gamma Academy
and are studying Quran one thing that my father may Allah subhana
wa Tada preserve him and also have mercy upon him.
Okay, gave a lot of emphasis to from a very young age. And I still
really, really appreciate it right? It was always the Quran,
study the Quran, memorize the Quran. And only later on I
realized Subhan Allah how why is that piece of advice was? And how
why is that?
The way he was cultivating and nurturing us, you know, because at
the end of the day, it goes back to two things, the Quran, and
likewise the Arabic language, even at the moment know where we are
him a long time he says, Whoever mess the Quran and also mastered
the Arabic language, all of the other sciences become easy fan,
everything else opens up. And I realized, having memorized the
Quran in the beginning really, really helped me really did. And
so he would always take us to Madras. From the time when I was
in Holland, because I was born in the Netherlands, right? He will
always take us to Madrid like so. I can just remember, the tables
are used to set up the building that I was in, but I don't know
where it is. Only last summer, some brothers in Amsterdam, they
invited me over it was the first time I've gone back to the
Netherlands in 18 years. I don't remember anyway. Okay. And but I
can now until this very moment, still remember
where I was like, it's a bit like I can see like a dream.
And, and my father, he really and my mother is all male life
preserver. They really glorify the Quran and analysis from a very
young age.
I held it in high esteem, right. And I seen the importance of it.
Okay, so what happened was,
and this was partly to do with
work actually happened, right. I was going to madrasa and I was
doing well, I was in year 11 At the time, because I was in London
before that.
As we finished the summer holidays, and I was in Year 10 at
a time.
My father, my mother, they moved me to Leicester here they
literally just moved me out
because of all the craziness that was taking place in London and
some of the things that I was involved in, right. So they moved
me to Leicester. And what happened was Subhan, Allah was going to
madrasa right? And I was actually doing well I was memorizing, but I
call it British memorization.
So then what happened was, as I finished year 11 I started
college. Okay.
And because I was a bit of a superstar when it comes to
different sports, I was a very good footballer, one of the fears
My dad has, or had was the I'm going to become a football player.
Okay. And he really didn't want me to go into that at all because of
all the fields that comes with it. And, and one time I even had
trials for West Ham, you know, West Ham United, right.
And, and I'm going a bit I'm sidetracking here, but this was
one of the fears that he had, I left my new trainers in his
bedroom.
Okay, so I've got the trials can't remember whether he was the
trials, or just one step before the trials actually happened.
Right. And I creeped into his room, hoping that he doesn't wake
up. So as I creeped into the bedroom, just to take my trainers,
because the day before I was showing everybody right? He woke
up because we're going
like all these trials and everything right?
And, and this is when a lecture slide. He's still I'm sure he
still remembers this conversation. Alexa started and
in the end, he just said it just leave your train of thought just
get out there. Um, you know, he didn't want me to get involved in
that women life.
You know, hammer comes with as well, alcohol collabing this the
lifestyle of many footballers right now, so he really didn't
want that for me, for me. So, the fact that he stopped that from
happening, and Subhan Allah is Allah azza wa jal had so much else
in store for me. So anyways, there is a lot to that as well. So what
happened was, when I was going to Madras, I got into sixth form.
When I got into sixth form I was
name was actually college, not sick formulas. It was college.
I got too busy with basketball. I was quite good at that as well.
I was in a football team as well. And I was good at table tennis as
well. And Madras is normally when at five o'clock, right? Normally
from five to seven. So if you're finishing college around four
o'clock, and then you're going to after the session during football
and everything else, you get very occupied with your head and
whatever have you right.
And that did really occupy me.
So one
time I walked into madrasah and the teachers would be very rough
with us. And it was very good for us, you know, but this time he
wasn't rough because I walked in quietly. He said something to me
a teacher
you know, and it really just tore me apart. Allah He broke me.
Sometimes you know what somebody says to you can like really have a
bigger impact in your life, then one doing something to you, right?
And he said to me, you're not gonna memorize the Quran
will lie that tore me apart.
You really, really just broke me, you know. And
I went home, I remember even that day, like it was yesterday. And I
sat down on the bed. And
I think I just broke down into tears. Nobody knows this. I don't
even think my parents know this, right.
And that's fine. I wasn't even planning to discuss this today.
So what happened was, I just literally broke down into tears,
and I made the decision. I'm gonna leave.
And this was something and in the back of the minds of my parents is
all like, we need to go out, study Arabic,
do the Quran and then come back and we just basically like, go
back to uni. What was your first destination? Where did you go?
First destination was a place called Dharma Mustafa.
Dr. Mustafa is in a place called Hadramaut. And it's more of a Sufi
type Institute, Yemen, in Yemen. Yeah.
And Subhan Allah was actually on a on a tourist visa. And we actually
overstayed so I was there for like 10 months.
So memorizing Quran and yeah, I was memorizing the Quran, and I
was trying to study Arabic as well, because this is why my
parents, they themselves wanted me to go abroad for Right.
and memorize the Quran. You know, learn the Arabic language, at
least give something back to your religion. We spend all of these
years of our lives
in the academic system, learning about Pythagoras theorem, a
squared equals b squared plus c squared. Then the reality is, we
don't know the basics of our religion. You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, I even did one time an experiment. I stood outside of the
masjid. And I would gather the youngsters. And I would just ask
them, What does Allison mean?
It was a period Subhanallah that I went to, I think three months
continuously, right? Every hotbar
I spoke about what does this mean?
I even went to your message was Jonas's as long as it for
fundamentals. Yeah.
We all know that they all knew what it meant, right? Yeah.
And the thing is, they didn't. They didn't.
Some of them said peace. Some of them said it's a way of life.
But, you know, we have three components, you know, at least
Islam only labor to hate will be added over time, I will borrow
them in a shift q&a is a submit to Allah subhana wa Tada with
monotheism with a to hate and to
submit to Allah subhanho wa, Taala and obedience, and to free
yourself from shitcan his people, right? So there's a very, very
deep meaning to understand. But most of these kids they didn't
know. And that really, really touched me. So my parents, like
you're spending all these years studying evaporation,
condensation, alliteration, whatever, you don't use anyway,
you see what I'm saying? And you don't know the basics of your
religion. It's just not fair like your relationship with Allah azza
wa jal. And then you have your relation with everything else. And
in reality,
that certificate that we're chasing, it's not going to benefit
in your grave at the end of the day, and I'm not trying to
downplay the importance of getting a degree. I was going to
Loughborough University, and I was trying to get a degree in civil
engineering before I actually left that I went to and Medina. And
there's no harm in that at all.
But
Allah subhanaw taala is always second in our lives. We really
think about it. And I respect anybody who taught me
even if it is a half, with whatever background they might be.
And I really do wish that I because after when I left the
institute
you know which color I sent some Facebook's post out about them
people who first taught me right, and how they're allowed to come
from a Sufi background right? And I kind of like feel that maybe it
wasn't the right thing to do. You still barely know anything. And
I'm basically sending out what you call a Facebook
Post telling everybody stay away from that place. There was maybe a
better way to go about it. Yeah, I wanted to touch upon this touch
upon your dour? Because, of course.
In many ways, I would say that you've been controversial, you
know, in which is, what would you what do you think about that?
For me, because you're a visual person? Yeah. No, because like
you're saying that look, you as in confusion, right? Here's the early
stages of your study. Subhanallah, you were, you know, hearing
different types of beliefs. This was confusing to you to the extent
that you nearly got run over. Right. Yeah. You know, now, he
also acknowledged that, generally, Muslims, they don't know much
about their religion, you know, you were conveying Islam, asking
the Muslims around the country. What does Islam mean? You know,
what is the meaning of Islam, you know, and you acknowledge that
they don't, many people don't know even the basics of their religion.
That being the case,
when we look at the Dallas scene, what's going on right now, is very
confusing for the average Muslim. You know, you've got shakes from
different parts of the world saying this about this subject
this about this subject, many different people saying this
person is misguided or this person is misguided, etc, right. And for
the average person, the average Muslim who's going to work,
praying their five daily prayers, or maybe even not praying, you
know, that's the that's the level you're at, right? They're very
confused. So when we're giving Dawa with wisdom,
like, I would say, the certain parts of data that you that I
believe you are involved in, that I personally felt like
I would say was unjust, personally, you know, I don't know
what you would say to that.
Maybe you want to give you more specific, I would say I mean, for
instance, like, you know, I generally have a good relationship
with many people up and down the UK, you know,
and,
you know, specifically like few years ago, there was
discussion going on with Sheikh Haytham had that and also Adnan
Rashid. You know, I know them both. I know what not very well,
I've traveled with that nun and Imran and Musa and Ali Dawa. And,
and even Sheikh Haytham Believe it or not, and I've removed you in
Medina. And I kind of know a lot of people, right, so
I don't particularly know, shake his hand very well. I've met him
once. And interestingly enough, the time we did meet was actually
recording a TV series for PCV. About the preservation of
craftsvilla. Ironically, that's what the topic was about this
about four or five years ago.
And mashallah, I seen him as a nice man, you know, and then all I
seen was that, basically, some brothers were,
I would say, accusing him of certain things, which it did, it
didn't look.
To be honest, I don't think he actually did them things that he's
been accused of, you know,
and I feel is some just basically
you know, we early spoke about, you know, sometimes when
you're involved in something that is happening around you, and
everybody kind of like thinks the same. Okay. And everybody's kind
of pushing the same view. It can be sometimes very difficult to
just think outside of the box. Okay. So
you're probably referring to some of the incidents that happened
before I went to Medina. This is after I spent four years in, in,
in Yemen. I came back I think I stayed for like, what, somewhat
close to two years, and a lot of things happened. A lot, a lot of
things happened. And there is things that I really, truly regret
and I'm going to come on today in sha Allah to Allah, I'm going to
tell you things, things that I've barely not told anyone.
So what happened was, when I came to Medina,
I started contemplating a lot, sort of thinking about a lot of
the things that I did in them two years where a lot of things
happened. Okay, and because obviously you've now come out of
all of that controversy that has taken place it allows you to just
look at things outside the box, right.
I remember Subhan Allah, brother Omar
his son in law, right?
came up to me or he came up to me. And while I was sitting in the
animals memorizing, right, and he came in, he said, I just want to
talk to I didn't know who he was.
Okay, so he sat down with me. And he said to me, I really want to
talk to you about something. I know somebody who comes up to me
and said, I want to talk to you about something, and wants to give
me the my mistakes. Well, I love it. This these levels of of
mistakes, right, poor levels of disagreement, is this valid? Is
this valid disagreements which are permissible with, you know,
opinions or whatever? And then there's also like,
you know, things that are not acceptable, you know, and it's
kind of like for the layperson, how do you kind of filter, you
know, like, what people are saying, you know, is that, you
know, because sometimes they've been refuted for things, which are
like, filthy related issues related, like, specifically when
you speak in about the, you know, the sheer thing with Sheikh
Haytham and the, you know, the also the some of his rulings
regarding student loans and things like this. I felt personally, even
though I don't know him, so so well, I just thought it was gonna
come on today. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna come on to that.
So let me just see how, let me just explain now how I went
through that process, just really just thinking about issues and
contemplating specifically on this matter that you just mentioned.
Omar comes up to me, right?
And he says to me, is that x, y and Zed?
And don't you think that's wrong? Okay. And we had other discussions
as well, and there's no need to mention it now. Because he was
private discussions, things that we differed on.
But he did say that to me, and I promised him one thing and will
lie. The first thing that I said to him, actually, look, I don't
want to impress anybody. And I told him the Hadith when the
messenger sallallahu alayhi wa sallam himself said, we're in Nila
RG and Allah Allah Allah, what is that I had an income yet LuPone we
must limit and feed them in Willamette.
The messenger saying this right, look at the field that he has. I
want to meet Allah subhanaw taala.
And there's nobody, okay, that is holding me to account for blood
money. For me having taken his wealth unjustly. You see what I'm
saying? And speaking about an individual and oppressing him,
falls into that same category. I don't personally want that. Okay,
I really don't want to meet Allah subhanho wa taala. And I've
oppressed somebody even so I'm gonna throw him a lot and I'm
going to mention this and I think it's very, very important. Right
and excuse me for mentioning these benefits because you know, yeah,
yeah, it's okay. Yeah. I lost my Rahim Allah to Allah He said
also Sophia and authority Amir remote meaningful Hadith. This one
he was the man when it comes to Hadith, right from the tabula
tabula. So Fiona thorry
he
mentioned in his will and tooth Fana kotoba
that some of his books are buried lash
what can occur Nedim Isla
bow the Callaghan me if he baldness because he regretted some
of the things that he wrote in this book about other people
you see and one powerful thing is also panel I'm going to mention
that plays on my mind all the time
and leaving aside the great scholar of Egypt okay
he said that a man wrote to Abdullah of Norma the great
companion right the son of Ramana will hop up and took a look at
Nick tube Elaine McCullough
please right now all of knowledge for me
as a big question
he said to him in his response in macro theory
knowledge is very nice
when I can but in his the Vita and tell Allah Tala coffee for worry.
Mean demand if you're able to meet Allah subhanaw taala. And you're
not carrying that big burden of having taken a life.
Okay, you're having taken a life Right?
Like you have a light back, you're not carrying that big burden,
right?
homies, Sal, Botani Annamalai.
And also your stomach is void from the wealth of others, carefully
Sanya around him.
And your tongue again, is free from the honors of others. Okay,
you've refrained your tongue from having spoken about the honors of
others unjustly right? Lazy manager American misdemeanor and
you also stay
According to the Jama the congregation of the Muslims, and
do so
both these
narrations that I mentioned in sera Hola Mundo Bella, right? So
Ally, it's something that really, you know, I think about a lot.
And again, if I've oppressed anybody, I really would wish for
them to message me in.
And just tell me and I'll be happy to maybe retract.
So this is an issue that I think about a lot. So he came up to me,
he said to me that he looked into this issue again. So he told me to
my face, like I really appreciate that to this very day. And I've
never said that to him that I appreciate but I really do
sometimes when I just, you know, look at the different even though
mean him disagree, like we've had discussions and we do not see eye
to eye on many things.
Right. And
so, yeah, so as time is going on is right, the beginning of the
four years, right.
Every now and again, I would see what you call it a czar, a
somebody who's come to dominate right, or even unhedged?
Sometimes.
Only when I went to Medina, I realized how powerful YouTube is
obviously is by the permission of Allah azza wa jal, but I don't
think actually realized the amount of people that were watching me
and in different places of the world, they were watching me until
I went to Medina. I many people would come up to me so my so that
our brother mentioned, Bro, are you like, a tourist spot in the
Haram or something?
So many people who appreciate what you're doing, people will say to
me, okay, you know, you said that I love you for the sake of Allah.
But I really think you should
look into this issue again.
And, and through that period, I would be making dua to Allah
subhanho wa taala, to give me the tofield to give me the success to
really just find the right answer on this issue, right.
So the last two years, this is when this issue really just built
up. It took place, right.
I started praying, it's the harder more on this issue, right.
And then just before last summer, or just before this summer,
I ran into the hacking that Kim has
the brother of a black man has.
And this is the first time me and him
actually had a full on discussion.
Because obviously he's the brother has knowledge as well. And he can
look at issues in a different way than a general commoner would
write.
So
I stayed in the hotel me and him and brother Yehia, Robbie and some
another graduate from an Medina, we stayed in the same room. And
I'm not going to go into the ins and outs, but this specific issue.
So
we after everybody woke up, everybody just sat down.
And we just started talking about some of the things that have
happened in the past. And one of the things I really took out of
that sitting was that
the preconceived
notions and messages that people had about me of things that I did,
which I didn't,
okay, and
like the idea that I quote, so and so on innovated I call Dr.
Haytham, an innovator wish I didn't have never called him an
innovator. Rebuking somebody's mistakes is part of the religion.
I can come up to John, if you've done something publicly, right. I
can maybe deal with it online. If you've done it online. A
shareholder 17 Rahim Allah Allah mentions that the private sin is
dealt with privately, the public is dealt with publicly, right. But
the fact now that I'm rebuking you doesn't necessitate that I see you
to be an innovator.
Applying the tibia is not for anybody.
Like us students, whether it's Ultraman, whether it's myself,
whether it's any other student of knowledge, this is a scholarly
matter. Okay. And evidence isn't, of course, I'm sure you don't want
to go into this at this moment in time. But yeah.
And I never did that. And I like to me, I was really shocked
for somebody to say like,
did you do this and people are saying that you did this and which
I never ever did. In fact, I rebuked some of my own brothers
right? For doing a video
on what's his name? Ali Dawa, Dr. Haytham and I told them bro, you
might disagree with them. You might see them to be a certain way
but that's not your place.
And I still to this very day, say this right.
So I luckily
* and they really opened up this issue. This was the first
time you know, Hakeem had like a back and forth about his issues
right before I just used to see him and we would run into each
other in the Haram give salaams and he was never.
And a lot of air for me came out of that sitting he really did.
And then this issue came up.
And he goes, Look, I don't agree with him
on
the issues and the things that he says and whatnot, but that was
oppression.
Okay. And while this discussion is going on, I feel like Allah
subhanaw taala is answering some of my supplications that I've been
asking him for and, and
and it's kind of like further verifying what I need to do now.
And it was particularly the Shiai issue. When Dr. Haitham went to
sitting there was under the banner of uniting with the Shiites,
right.
Which our brothers documenting Imran
the video that he put out
again, people think that Subhanallah that I was one of the
guys that were consulted behind that video, right?
A lot of people think that the younger brothers are being pushed
by the likes of you and other people kind of fed information.
And because they have followings is kind of like, you know, pushed
out there. And a lot of people have that. I mean, would you did
you basically tell him to do that video? Firstly, okay. I was never
consulted. Even just, you know, I was, I was never consulted, I
didn't know a video like that was going on.
If we're going to be fair, and just right.
And I'm going to talk about the mistake and how I feel like
I was oppressive. Right? So all I was told is that a video is coming
out. Okay, and it's gonna be a big video.
And I'm not trying to throw them under the bus or anything like
that. We're just speaking facts here. Right?
Because, again, people are getting the impression I've been receiving
messages
that were you part of it? Did you push him out? Or did he consult
you or whatever have you?
And
yeah, I wasn't, you know, I really wasn't
I personally had nothing to do with it.
Because you have to understand and even less thought,
and human of the human are, are in London, right. And they're having
classes with one another every day. And mean, Amman, like we have
a very different relationship than that which he has with the human
right.
My relationship with Him is, bro, I'm not like, enforcing my view.
But this is my view. And I have that kind of relationship with
everybody else. And
this is my view on the issue. I'm not gonna force it down your
throat. But I think you're wrong. And this is my reasons for it is
up to you what you do.
I've never been type of it. I've never been the type of vendor who
enforces views, and even Emraan will testify to that. Right?
He would ask me questions, and I basically give him my input. Did
we ever sit down, and I taught him a book from cover to cover, that
was never the case. Okay, but
like, the relationship we had was, we still have is, like, we benefit
one another. Okay. I like these discussions of will fit, you know,
that we have.
And I just see that as what you call a, you know, like a classroom
type of environment that maybe the best way to put it, you have us,
me and your classmate next to you, and you discuss issues. So we have
these kind of discussions, but I would never enforce my view on
anybody or threaten him. But if you do this, or you don't do this,
then I'm going to leave you I'm gonna distance myself from you.
And there's times we disagree.
So I had nothing to do that video.
So when the video got released, I watched it twice.
And obviously, is that the heat of the moment?
And I'm not trying to downplay what I did, because he was wrong,
I believe, right. And I'm gonna come on to that for more detail in
a moment. And I spread that video.
And obviously, you have to understand I'm seeing one side of
the story here. These are my brothers. They're human Emraan.
Whatever they're putting out, I trust them right. We've been doing
our together and I became convinced which again,
You need to listen always to the other side as well. You need to
listen to the opponents or, or if there's like a full video, you
should look at that as Oh, right.
That reminds me a statement that Abdullah Massoud or the Allahu
taala. I know. He said, latter Kuno Rulan. Medallia Busara Do not
be individuals who are hasty, who rushed to doing things that year,
they start announcing things the moment
they come to know about something right. And Buuren spreading the
secrets of something that, you know, you've been informed about.
You have to hear both sides. Yeah, I mean, this is the mistake of the
wilderness. You know, when he judged without hearing the other
side, corrected him, so, the analyzer would correct him in the
head that athlete who distorted with his own energy, what do you
know, just in your head, what did he say? Wala McCabe So Alan ajijic
He oppressed you straight away.
But then for Stovall Rob Bahara, rakia and YNAB he saw repentance
and, and also Subhanallah something that the mistletoe had
even Vitaly is assumed to be though he said, it has to all lie
in a corner Juna.
If two people they try to seek your judgment, Fela totally will
Oh, we had this Macula Manasa for sofa tiddy que photography, then
do not rush to taking any of their sides until you hear the other
personnel. And by doing this, you will know how to judge
accordingly.
And this is very important advice to the millennials is all on
social media. The moment they hear a brother or a sister saying
something about somebody else, and everybody's retweeting it, you're
jumping the gun. It's one of the things that my dad taught me as
well. You know, And subhanAllah
I wish I may have like acted upon that advice. He said to me.
And he said this to me when I was still running around in London,
causing mayhem.
Hemet because he's seen I was a bit quick and defending my
friends. And I was always like the Braveheart. I wasn't as strong as
of people, I get thrown to the ground, I'll get hurt. I've been
sliced a couple of times, it's all. But I will always kind of
like be that my friend call me I'll be that.
He says Muhammad, if
you was to see somebody who's bleeding all over his body and his
eyes poking out, to not rush taking his side, you don't know
what he's just done.
He could have been the oppressor fighting with somebody else.
And that person managed to get a couple of blows. But he got the
final
fatal blow that led to him dying, right?
Yeah. So I listened to that. And I promoted it. And I rushed with it.
And
I remember even I took the link and I put my name at the bottom
and saying, Yeah, this is Ryan, I spread it.
And
put onto my YouTube channel as well.
But I took it down, I think around like a year ago,
maybe a year and a half ago. So it had been up for how many years? It
was off for like two years.
Like a year and a half ago, I took it down because I said this issue
may be requires me to really look into it.
And around that time,
I dropped a message to Dr. Hasan.
And I said, Look,
I disagree with you on and I don't want to go into the ins and outs
because it was a private message right? But I said to him, I did
not do to do on you. I never called you an interview.
Okay, this is not my place. So just so you know that
I did not do that today. This is not my place as a small student of
knowledge. Like it's not for us to kind of like even if I spent eight
years now studying it is not my place to be doing this. This is
something that we leave to the scholars and there is a big
scholarly discussion as to whether it Oliver as a student can do to
do.
I don't think you want to go into this at this moment in time. Or
lie I just realized if you open the door for the students are not
able to do this is going to become me. Oh look, wouldn't you say
that? Firstly, people.
The video itself is that
that's how the lay people understand it. You may not say
okay, this person is an innovator, but by sharing a video
that's what it's implying. Exactly. Yeah. You know, you know,
you know, I take the responsibility. I pushed that
video out. I wasn't I was the guy who, after I saw the video, I
stood by them. And I still defended it. When Adnan Rashid
came running at me inside Hyde Park, you know, even though has
like a background of background story of why I seemed very, very
surprised and very shocking as to why he was maybe acting like that,
right? Because panela like one thing that my parents have always
like, nurtured me honest
to respect my elders with the way I speak to them, right? So, when
the debate that was going on no matter how some celebrating man,
Hassan, and myself with authority sheet, you know, the whole I
remember hearing that debate, I went absolutely viral, right? I
never she was actually saying that. I remember. I don't even
know. But now she's sitting in the crowd, right? And he's messaging
me.
He's messaging me saying, and he's speaking in a very respectful way.
I know, he doesn't see me to be a chef. But he's saying check in
with him. And make sure you say this chef, say this and whatever
have you, right. I know. Like I said, I'm not here for I know it.
mazing out of respect. Yeah.
So that's the last time I saw a datasheet. And he's saying make
sure you see this and make sure you know, you know, say this or
whatever have you.
So for me now to see him running up me like, not running
physically. I mean, but coming at me the way he did. Yeah, I'm like
in shock. Like, why you be why is this happening?
And I realized he wasn't actually looking for me in that park.
That's the first time I've ever been to Hyde Park. We happen to be
in in my cousin Suraj we happen to be in
on Edgware Road, we went to get a munch because I was leaving maybe
in a couple of days, right. And I just want to spend time with my
cousin, one of my closest cousins.
And I think he follows
Alida on Snapchat.
Until now, I don't know how Snapchat works.
But he's seen him in Hyde Park. And he was like this go
suck. I don't like that place. Man. I really just don't like the
whole environment. So in then we agreed we went.
So this is the first time like, I've actually seen what goes on
there. And at the time
there was this guy, there was this. There was an African guy. I
don't know if he was Jamaican. He was trying to make the Prophet
sallallahu alayhi wa sallam look like a barbaric individual.
Normally, yeah, it's non Muslim. Yeah. And I did that was actually
debating with him. So I came and added that was like listener he.
This guy's going to unseat.
So while me and Ali Dawa.
We're actually debating this guy.
That's when I know what she said to me. Come I want to talk to you.
Yeah, something there's nothing wrong. So I go stand with him in
the corner. And Alexei was really upset.
And
I didn't even know the recording man. You could clearly see my
reaction in the video. Yeah. And I seen he's trying to record it or
whatnot. And I'm just in shock. And I just didn't like what he
did.
And, and I understand why he was upset. He was angry. I don't hold
him to account for it. People get upset, because his face was in the
videos. Oh, and, but at the same time, this tactic, if you like,
of, you know, pulling the camera out,
you know, grabbing someone speaking. It's also done by people
you associate with as well. You know, people just pull out a
camera, start speaking or start interviewing somebody, you know,
on the spot, trying to sort out problems on camera, you know,
because I think it was the same day in High Park. It wasn't just
you. He ended up in a debate, right? Yeah, the thing just went
on as I was I remember there was Imran
and I think
Adnan Rashid No, that was a completely different a different
day. I was a complete Okay. Well, that particular day as well.
Again, cameras out site trying to sort out these issues on camera.
You know, yeah. Do you understand what I mean? debate that wasn't a
mass camera. Everybody was recording them? No. Everywhere.
The thing is, all
these people, they use cameras a lot. You know, Hyde Park, is a
power is no permission that Yeah. Like, like, I'm going to Hyde Park
not knowing what's going on never been to Hyde Park before? And then
would that sit once? You know, everybody records? Yeah. You know,
it was recorded no discretion or whatever. Yeah.
That's it, you know, you sign your your rights away. And that's it.
So what I'm seeing is like, it's not just kind of, okay, they
pulled out the camera. And they were obviously upset. I'm thinking
I noticed she was coming to talk to me in a respectful manner,
because this is the respectful relationship that I had in the
past, right.
You can't go for what you call it, speaking to me in a respectful
way, saying she has to do this and then shuffled through that. I know
you don't see me to be a chef, but that's just showing your good
manners of how you speak to people. And then the skills get
turned like and everything just goes one at
And then you're angry and you're stuck. And I don't know, me and
him haven't had the conversation in that period. See what I'm
saying? I think, I think I think you might not realize how
everything came across. Because, because they were very upset.
You know, because, as I said, you know, I'm not particularly I'm not
particularly, I'm kind of, you know, not got loyalty to anyone in
particular. But what I'm saying is, to me,
I could see I could, I could recognize, and I could see the
injustice after watching the whole video, where he was literally
given dealt with this year. Now, like, this is exactly the point
like Subhanallah they came in front of us were in a hotel like
right in front of the camera, right? He said to me, watch this
video.
Okay, John, will lie that night, I think I watched the eight times.
And I think around the sixth for the seventh time, I just broke
down into tears Walhalla
and I went to the kava and even before, before that, there was
times when I went to the Kaaba, asked Allah azza wa jal, that's
how much the issue was really bothering me, right? Because
obviously, these are your friends. They've told you something. And I
know now if I'm wrong, I have to clarify this publicly. Because
whatever I did, because even when me and I negotiated, going back, I
was always doing is wrong. I still defended it publicly. We say this
all the time than if we find ourselves having made a mistake,
publicly, it's not easy to come out and come now and you speak
out. And your friends did a video, right? And they're the two closest
people to me right? At the time.
And now have the basic kindness speak out? Yeah. And you might
come across as if I'm trying to throw them under the rug, which
I'm not trying to do. I'm just trying to clarify this particular
issue. In this video. There was of course, a lot of other things that
were mentioned this issue that I defended in Hyde Park, that I also
really just kind of like stepped on it and
I held my ground and at a time, right when I watched that video,
Allah He is, and he keeps on saying in Pune, Nuri, do a taco.
For Elena no allergy nakida. If we really want to unite, we have to
rectify and treat the happy them. So yeah, human is just
when I saw that video, just, I said to myself now, the biggest
challenges now I have to now clarify this. Because Allah says
is right, in the Lilina turbo, whatsoever, we're being
those who repent, they clarify, and they rectify. And again, like,
I'll make this crystal clear.
I'm retracting from this very point, this point him, which I
personally have come to the conclusion, it was not right.
And I know the brothers, they might have their own way of
looking at things. But I want to meet Allah subhanaw taala. And
this issue, which we can maybe assume, I don't want to be part of
it. Right? Because everybody has to answer for themselves. As Allah
mentions, we'll call him at your multi Amity forum, and everybody's
gonna come by himself on your camera. And Ron is not gonna be
standing by me up, the man's not gonna be standing by me. You owe
me a federal mockumentary on me, he will be the day when
one is going to run away from his brother, his mother and his
father. So I just want to be like safe on this issue. And we have to
hold all the hold ourselves to account all the time. So I'm just
going to mention this narration that's come to my mind now. Right.
And I think he has a very good message in it.
One time a man came to me
and Jay is schooI they hit the rock Julian balama. It came to
complain about somebody who pressed him
over. Bob was busy with dealing with the affairs of the Muslims.
You know what he said to him? I tried to record Al Khalifa
Hina your corner or Haney Hakuna Fariba
for tuna home either surely gonna be angry misogyny. He got annoyed
whenever I'm free. You guys don't come to me, but when I get busy
and that's when you guys come to me.
For Laura Hobin for Laura Hobi Deborah,
what did he end up doing? He got a
thing that you lash people with? he lashed him with it. He got
annoyed he got upset
for Geraldo Hasina. The man left while he was very sad.
So as time went on, honorable hottub remembered what he did him.
You with me?
And he asked for somebody to bring
You
so he was brought
and he gave him the whip
and he goes with me he goes no I'm not gonna whip you
talk to help daily law he will look
I've left my right with you and also with Allah subhanaw taala
yeah he goes a lot on my said choose one of the two
he goes okay I'm gonna leave before Allah. Allah is gonna deal
with it
so I'm gonna will help our the a long time.
He said some very powerful things right? He said, Yeah, Omar.
Quinta. Well, Leon ferok Allah.
He was somebody was very low and Allah azza wa jal Raise your right
or quantify here on he was somebody was poor and Allah
subhanho wa taala. on a journey, enrich and do
for Jack Raju for Jakob Raju
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a man came to
to seek your assistance
for oppression that happened to him, instead of helping him you
ended up repressing it.
What are you going to say to Allah subhanaw taala when you meet
so then the narrator says, For Bundler, you had Sibneft Zoho had
to organize rally, he kept on holding himself to account. So
much. So the people started feeling sorry for him.
He went into his house, he prayed to rock and it's just like, you
know? And he's the one that said right, has he gone full circle
Copeland to hold yourself to account before that day comes on?
You're held to account, right?
Unless something is like crystal clear.
I personally don't want to be part of the point where
there's even a possibility the euro.
See what I'm saying? So
this is just, yeah, it's one of the really,
biggest regrets that I've had. I think it's
a very
good thing. You know, it's a good thing to bracing to recognize
publicly. Because I think it's a good
it's a very good thing to show the youth and the followers, the
people that benefit from you and people that are watching the Dawa.
I think it shows that look,
at the end of the day where Muslims right, you know, we don't
agree on everything. And
you've really got to feel Allah Subhanallah it's not it's a very
serious thing. And I wanted to ask you as well, because like you're
saying you never specifically said that. But, as I said, said, what
it said that Sheikh Haytham is innovating or things like that.
But as I said, By sharing
such videos, for the everyday Muslim it can imply that you know,
and even when you use terms like when you when people label people,
equality or this, this is also the same thing. This is also implying
that, that and it could imply that somebody is an innovator, it could
imply even that someone is a terrorist, you know, like, you
have to understand that there's one thing where people say, Oh, is
equality, right? But when it's used in this in the sense of like,
equality or Muslimeen, right, especially when you're thinking
about the political situation, now we live in that if somebody does
get labeled a certain group, this could be very dangerous for an
individual as well. Do you understand what I mean? Especially
if it's not true, like SubhanAllah? Like, do you
understand what I mean? Like this is huge implications to that.
Yeah, because in many countries, they're labeled as a terrorist
group, right? It's a terrorist organization, this organization is
classed as a terrorist organization, especially in the
Middle East, right. And also they, you know, they're known to hold
certain views, which are, which could be seen that way here,
which, which is very problematic, very problematic, you know, like,
from a political standpoint, you know, such as from,
you know, the certain opinions they hold regarding warfare and
political situations. This this is quite problematic, and from a
Muslim perspective in a Muslim country, obviously, that's
something that they propagate right?
If you have only individuals who might not even do that, and then
you label them as that, they'll just basically be thrown in or
even even just labeling someone be whiny. Right? Just for not
agreeing with your fifth opinion.
That's, that is what it's come down to, in certain cases, like,
I've been caught in one. Yeah. And I've got nothing to do with them.
If anything, my Dawa is like literally black. And what they you
can basically look at as that is crystally clear what
this, you know, you have to understand the implications of it.
Like, you can't just throw around these terms. You know, for
instance, to give the audience a bit more understanding, right? If
I go around, labeling you a terrorist in the UK.
Imagine that, imagine that. The government, if anyone hears that,
right, the police, they're gonna have to research that room,
they're gonna have to now do a report on you. They're gonna go
and maybe raid your house. You know, check your computers, do
some back, you know, you understand what I mean? It has
implications. You everyone understands that if you go around
labeling people a terrorist, that is a problem, that is a huge
problem, because that's exactly what it is in Muslim countries. If
you label someone like that, and even though, that we're not even
talking about that particular equation, or Muslim in group,
we're talking about people who just labeled the whiny in in kind
of a very loose kind of man Hajj perspective, you know, I mean, a
few, maybe a few points of manhood, just something which you
don't agree on you. And so it might be important points. Some of
them might even be valid differences, right? So but I'm
gonna mention a principle that shipped with some dimensions,
right? It says, not everybody that falls into q4 is a Kaffir. Not
everybody that falls into Bidda Hinomoto. Like, and this is very
well known in books have, you know, a lot of bits of text here
and any, I thought maybe it was quite obvious, but to a lot of
people, the moment you refute somebody for a particular issue,
that doesn't necessitate that he becomes an innovator. I can look,
but Well, listen, we've already discussed the lay people don't
don't explain Islam. So maybe it's a good use of when you told me
that you told me the lay people can't articulate what Islam means.
Yeah. So what they don't understand these things. Yeah. So
there's a massive point that you understand what I mean. So let's
put down some principles with regards to this very quickly,
right.
Rebuking defending Islam is part of our religion, right?
Shareholders something or him Allah, Allah, He says, It is akin
to Anna was like, at the end, when I tell you out of a jail or saw
him in a setting, if I'm quiet, and you're quiet, how are the
people going to differentiate between somebody who's writing
somebody who's wrong? Yeah, people are not going to know. So
clarification is required. It is part of the religion Yeah. The
messengers of Allah honey was some rebuked and there's many evidences
for it, right? One time there's an aeration the messenger Allah and
he was in thing Bitsa Well, actually, what a bad member he is
of his tribe.
And like early we mentioned even remember, know what I'm allowed to
Isla. He talks about backbiting. Yeah, okay, talking about how
backbite is impermissible? Right? And then after he has a chapter
Beibu
mail you back, I'm gonna leave the chapter of what is permissible
from a Libra and one of the things that he mentioned as embolism
elaborate and visit it in whatever limit until the end of the two
lines about chi, he says when we're headed in
warning against somebody who you fear is going to have his religion
polluted, it is part of a religion, what I cannot get and
this issue is as is when you speak about, forget about intervale when
you speak about caffeine, let alone an innovator. You have to
use in a soft, you have to be fair and just accurate. Let me use the
worst example possible. Okay, the worst example if somebody is
saying that Jesus is the Son of God,
okay, there's many of our Muslim brothers who will refute the
atheist and the Christians right. If that guy is saying that Jesus
is the Son of God will lie it is not lawful for you to say that he
also believed that was there is a son of God so I'm just giving you
like an example right? You got a Shiite? Okay? Who might curse?
Wow, it'll be a long time and
you can't say about him when he doesn't. That he has a book or an
omen. I can share it with seven team on him a lot. Danny Says
something for
A powerful, he says, fell out look, why do you want? Luckily I
had I kuliah hadn't have equally hard, either justice is something
that is mandatory upon every single individual and whoever he
speaks about in every single situation, something very powerful
that he mentioned this as well. When can I move in us? He will on
your corner Berryman? Why? Lobby Jacqueline Waldman, Kahala and
Buddha, when speaking about others,
it has to be done with rain, with knowledge, and also with justice,
not with ignorance and oppression. But as this is the way of the
people of innovation. He's telling you the way of the people of
innovation is that they speak about others in an ignorant way
and without knowledge. He also says something else right? He
says, so I'm just going to be it says For now, Yeah, hello, they
had an elderly men, anyone who can have capital.
It is not lawful for one to oppress another individual, even
if the guy is a cashier. Sometimes the hate we have for a person, it
pushes us now to oppress him. And this is when he quoted a segment
of Allah azza wa jal, while he remained no commission Ernakulum
in Atlanta and 000 Acropolis Taqwa don't let the hate that you have
in your heart, Allah has mentioned and sort of made that entice you
now to being oppressive. And this can also be stretched to the lay
Muslims. You know, even the sheer the Leisha talking about, you
know, the ones who are ignorant. You know, there's certain sects
within Islam who are doing surely they're doing Cofer. Right. We
can't just don't just do tack fear under leaping. This is an issue,
John? Yeah, it's called a little bit Shall we find some of our own
scholars. It's a very deep topic now. And I don't think it's a good
idea now to discuss this issue. An army guy, a general commoner, who
is now going to the graves and he's praying to that shrine or
whatever have you the point I want to make is that they need dower
they need the same educated with dour with wisdom, with gentleness,
definitely, you understand? Because the end goal is to guide
them
going in strong in a Western country where there's no
leadership and fear on them. Yeah. It's the right way forward, like
especially when you live in a non Muslim world, right in this part,
right? Where we live in the West. There is no authority Subhan Allah
and Islam. You can't just say Sheikh said Sheikh said don't miss
him, you know, we have to use wisdom to bring people you know,
to.
I always mentioned this example, right? If you think about it, the
worst of those to ever walk on the face of this earth, Federico Swan,
the man who claimed an Arab bucola I'm yellow, the most high right?
While he was seeing this, Allah sends Musa and how want to fit on
the receipt him go and chop his head off. He never said that there
is a thing go and speak to him in a very harsh manner. He said for
Hola, hola, hola. Hola, Lena, la no introductory reaction, speak to
him in a gentle way. So that he may think, and he may become
conscious of Allah has already by fearing him, and so on and so
forth. If a moose had had enough
color, you said you're a moron.
You know, you know, but the point is, you've done the dower right,
he had given the message he's given all the miracles, the signs,
but there's you know, once that's been done, it's about a lot less
than a you know, say 30 You're not in control of them. Yeah, right.
All you can do is deliver. Yeah. And
and one other very important point I wanted to mention is that I was
telling some brothers the other day, we have to prepare ourselves
mentally.
That for years to come.
Some of our grandkids will lie they might
turn around one day and say that I'm homosexual.
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I go around to all of these places, right. And there's a
number of massage in Manchester and stop trying to
one specifically Well, my machine is on the hook.
So in the hood,
I spoke about
the LGBT, okay. And from a very, very knowledge based perspective.
Okay and and
How the Muslims should deal with this kind of situation. Okay.
Basically everything that was mentioned what Al Islam mentioned,
or whatever happened, right? A man came up to me right? And
you know, he said to me,
he goes,
I caught my son, having a haram, unlawful relationship with a girl.
Like him is a true story, right? He said this to me.
But I told him off, you know, put him straight.
But as I was walking off,
I said to myself, and Hamdulillah, he's actually chosen a girl
instead of a boy
will lie.
I said to myself, like this is the point, some of the parents have
reached.
It could possibly be that your son turns around tomorrow. And he says
this to my boyfriend.
But what are you as a parent going to do? If you're not happy with
this?
Are you going to tear his head off?
This is we just have to, like accept the fact that this could
possibly happen. And we have to really ourselves they could
happen.
But what are you going to do? That's the question.
And again, it goes back to what I mentioned about Musa right, and
also for our, for our own, he claimed hon Kamala, I am your lord
the Most High.
And then we obviously have to look at the differences that are out
there, right, and saying, I am your lord the Most High is without
a shadow of a doubt the worst thing you could ever say, or ever
do, or claim.
If Moses spoke to him in a gentle way,
and me bearing in mind, I know that from the signs of the hours,
the Mr. Larson said Michelle DISA from the signs of the hours, that
LM is going to what reduce
ignorance is going to become what widespread prevalent.
And also, Zina is going to become widespread is here already Xena
taking place? Whatever kind you want to you know even speak about
so they're just type in some of these hashtags on social media was
a name.
You see it quite prevalent now people boasting about what you
call it, Zina what he did last night. And it's like there is no
shyness anymore.
Okay, whatever form of Xena, Xena is from? No, we don't need to get
too explicit with regards to it. Right? It's out there. We are
being told this from the signs of the hour, and killings are signs
of the hours or how you're going to deal with it.
Today, your daughter might bring a guy who was not even a Muslim,
which happens all the time. And I'm sure you've heard these kinds
of things we're going to do with it. How you're going to deal with
this situation.
Back home, okay, different parts of Africa, and different parts of
the Arab world, they used to deal with these issues in a very
violent way. You can't do that here today. And it's wrong for
even you to kind of like deal with this issue in such a way.
You might be harsh towards her.
And if you're harsh towards her.
We're in a democratic country. Okay, she's gonna go off it again.
There's different way Oh, yeah, even leave a sub, you see what I'm
saying? So it's really, really important from you know, I have
quite a few messages people, youngsters message me Subhanallah
you know, the, they have these feelings for the same *. And
they said they're not going to act upon it.
It's SubhanAllah. This is the this is the i this is what's the group
that we have with all like, the diet and the Chabot sama and other
than Him, and we discuss this issue sometimes.
Like, especially if I get a message like that
on Instagram, which has been a number of times now. Right? And
also on Twitter, I might put it on there to just seek the advice of
some of the elders. And that brings me this brings me to the
point
like,
Yeah, I know, you're gonna say something we're gonna know, I
think we're gonna say the same thing. Okay, I think that I really
wish Wallahi and mean, you have not discussed this right.
And some of these controversies have happened in the past. I
really wish that I consulted somebody older. I don't know. Was
that a point that you wanted to mention? Not just that I was gonna
ask you advice. What would you advise? I'm not just talking about
youngsters. I'm talking about everyone in the UK Dawa. To be
consulting elders. Even if you're 60 years old, and you're a chef.
Even if you're 40 years old, 30 years old. If students are
students of knowledge
I think you know, I'll give you an example. You know, I lived in
Kuwait before
my chef Sheikh
Subhan Allah
if he lived in UK Mashallah.
He will be a big chef. Is he the one with the glasses wasn't
shaking up the room. Yeah, I think it's comfortable for Han. Yeah, I
think it's so mashallah, you know, because he's from Kuwait, this
also shakes and he's and fair shake from Kuwait. He's quite
young, great, you know, mid majors English, right? Yeah, maybe mid
40s You know, but obviously Kuwait has many scholars, you know, but
Subhanallah and he's qualified Mashallah. When I asked him a
question, he asked the chef, other for Chef, I'll speak to the show.
And I know he knows the answer. Subhanallah
he knows the answer, right? We just wants to confirm he was you
know, because there's a process is not his time. It's not his time
right now. You know, subhanAllah if you see how he is with with
when you when you go to his shapes Subhanallah And subhanAllah is
just etiquettes of this. There's a there's a there's a process. And
when I when I when I look at UK, I just think Subhanallah like
scales, no one is even consoling anyone.
Like people just speak put out videos.
And there's just like no consultation, no kind of authority
not even everyone should have someone
above them. Right? You understand what I mean? Like what's the rush?
What is the rush for doubt? Allah will preserve this Deen Allah He
Allah doesn't need any of us, any of us to do our way into to Allah
yesterday and Kamen Rider, Camilla, no one,
you know, what's the rush, we should be very careful and
cautious that we present in the correct thing. You know, it
reminds me of a of a line of poetry.
And I always say this too, shall be some.
It gets happy.
The line of poetry stays in Omoro evil death with the Baraha do an
issue photography, say the Hakala.
If there is issues that are dealt with, without the consultation of
the elderly, by youngsters
just have a number of youngsters running around taking very
sensitive issues into their own hands without actually consulting
the odd right? You're always going to find that there is a deficiency
in that which they are doing.
Okay. Also Subhanallah exactly what you're seeing right now,
right? He has them He mentioned something very powerful. He says
management is something
how beautiful is just being silent
for a while has Sasa in very sensitive matters. And then he
says, For CompTIA had not met a halacha who Calum. While I'm not
up to man, a halacha. Who socoto How many times have we seen
individuals who, with what they said,
using their tongues, right destroy them. But we've never seen
somebody destroy himself by being silent.
You know, Sung
I don't know if you remember that refutation that
of the human hasn't dead on
unless Bob's from six year a one part series? Yeah, a few years.
Yeah.
I watched the whole thing before we actually released it. And that
same point that they pulled him up on, you know, when he said that
the prophesy some praise the homage. He didn't intend this at
all, sort of a mantra. And it was very oppressive the way they were,
they dealt with it right?
I told him take it out.
Okay. I told him take it out. Me just putting myself in the shoes
of how they will look at it.
And in he said, like he is not needed or whatever have you and
and that's exactly what he did. They pulled him up on that issue.
And even though I didn't agree with him, and I even there was a
defense that I did after
clarifying what he meant or whatever have you right.
I think the way he came across it was wrong. But the way it's being
dealt with is absolutely incorrect as Oh, if we just look around how
old we all are.
The amount at a time was
maybe 26 or 27.
You know, just under would you call in my mid 20s at a time
Emraan around the same age. So this is all what your brothers
In the 20s, mid 20s, and late 20s, right.
And this is a big thing that is going on, really, really is a big
thing that is going on. And now thinking back, you see that
deficiency, right? And
that I mentioned earlier about what the line of poetry stated.
Right?
Exactly like it's important. Now what I tried to do, okay, whenever
I, you know, want to speak about so even this issue now, glue this
issue now, I spoke to elders.
And just about all of them, they basically say, would you call it?
We don't agree with him. We don't agree with Dr. Haysom. But that
video was wrong. Yeah. A lie. Every single one of them. Yeah,
said that. So, you know, another point, which I wanted to mention
as well, was, because at the time I was living in Kuwait, and I know
you came to Kuwait, with a few brothers, and you, you went to
some different scholars asking them questions about a particular
matter of FIP. Regarding Sheikh Haytham now, I also felt that this
was a bit
on just
another uninteresting another interesting point, which I feel
was
the time I felt like
the scholars who were questioned,
will like, put forward as these are the only scholars or these are
the sheiks you should be listening to, you know, the particular
scholars you went to, had also refuted each other? And I'm not
sure if you're aware of that. But I don't know. Sure if you were
that, but they've all refuted each other in the past, in the past, on
very, in a very hard way, like, similar to they're still friends,
ironically, similar to
you know, what the videos was for? You understand what I mean? But it
was like, What do you think about that that particular issue about?
Same thing here to me? Do you think he was kind of a bit blown
out of proportion? Because when I asked about this, it was kind of
like, it's a fifth opinion, it was kind of being one who wasn't the
one. I mean, I mean, specifically for the UK, imagine, remember,
people who don't, who can't explain what Islam means. Trying
to kind of sit and look at the situation from their perspective,
you know, when you have the trust of certain brothers who presented
a video to you, also, the followers also have the trust in
you to basically whatever he says, I'm following. Yeah, you
understand what I mean? Like, I just felt that it was like, not
needed personally. Because living in Kuwait, everyone has different
opinion about everything right? Especially FIP he's just sick. And
I think you know, the more you seek knowledge,
the more merciful He makes you. Even the team around him allowed
to ally says, couldn't limit Tessa anymore. It Tessa at Rock Metal.
The more you seek knowledge, the more you become merciful, meaning
also massive when it comes to 50. related matters, right?
Especially when you study the different motherhood,
like studying the book Big Data misstate is a complicated,
advanced book, where you're studying about the formula.
Okay, there are different views than whatever have you right. Let
me give you just one example. And I think it's a very good example
as All right, wiping your neck.
Okay, wiping the neck. And I always have this discussion with
our own brothers.
Those who say you shouldn't some of the terms that are used is
quite high status a bit higher than this and that what I always
try to make the brothers understand is that this view of an
Imam Abu Hanifa Rahim Allah talent didn't come out of nowhere.
I do not believe that the former head, they just woke up one day
and they said, You know what, today I'm going to say this.
All of them, they go back to the evidences and sometimes because of
a word that a companion uses, describing describing a particular
thing of the prophets Allah it was saying whether it's his action or
his statements,
because of it, they differ. This go to this issue now right? How
did Abdullah does it? He was describing how the prophets are
wiped his head.
He said better be MCAD the merasa had they have a beam Isla Kapha he
started from
the beginning of ways headstocks right.
Until he went down to his neck cover,
femoral domain and mechanically by the mean and then he went back to
where he started
by
The word Nick is being used here. I remember a chef, a chef on
December show, he was one of our scholars. In fact, in Saudi
Arabia, he said that the neck is of two types.
The neck is of two types. And there's a fatty here. Anybody was
made in a sinus guys will know this man. Fifth, they've given
they've given it to him. Right? We have a part of your neck where
your hair is connected, right? And then you have a part of your neck,
which doesn't have any hair. Can you see John? Right? Yeah, the how
because of this wedding. Now, they took two different views. I try to
propagate all the time. Guys be open minded. My brothers even come
up to me sadaqa Can you give me the evidence? Because they may be
studying Shafi IVF or whatever other fit right but they're not
going through the evidence at this stage. Sometimes you just study
the method then the next thing you go on to the evidence is why and
why it's a systematic way of studying
Can you just give me the evidence of what you guys say whenever you
write with regards to this issue? He just wants to feel good feel
better. What he was following before and what is being told now?
Hmm.
Has a listen evidence.
I was at Hampton Zakah here. So I was told this evidence you're
telling me this evidence. It kind of makes that person a bit more
open minded. Yeah. And you mature like that as well. So
sometimes when being rough and tough on Fifth he related issue
and basing that on somebody following the sunnah or not? Well,
I believe it's from the Toby's of iblees
you see what I'm saying? Look women Josie says well Josie, he
says women tell BC bliss Allah al Hadith, from the deception of
iblees a che upon on the people of Hadith. We will follow a hadith
right
Subhan This is so powerful Allah is like it will Josie is seeing
what's happening around us today and saying this statement
he says women TBC bliss Allah al Hadith Adho Baba him fever up
Bolivar Natasha Shafi
is them criticizing and insulting one another. What do they want
from this? Or what is their intentions behind this?
Basically just rejoicing over the misfortunes and the downfalls of
others.
Are you rejuvenate daddy camara ginger here with daddy
and whatever they are doing now in insulting one another, it is under
the banner of a junk with daddy.
Which basically means it's a science that is studied in animal
Hadith the knowledge of Hadith right? Where they used to
criticize the narrator and this is the deen of Allah azza wa jal so
that the Hadith can be preserved. But today again it is used in
order to throw other people under the bus on very, very pathetic
you know, very minor issues.
So what do you say we have rigid and delicate? We have Regina
Danika macro Jehovah Deen
Allah the staminal Coda now has illuminate them beyond the Sharia
wala who are adamant mocassin
they trying to use what the early scholars of the past use in order
to protect the Sharia. And then it says, only Allah knows best was in
people's hearts.
We hear this term all the time, I jumped here with the idea we are
aiding the religion. But in reality, you're blasting that guy
over something come on it. It doesn't work for you to strip him
off the pseudonym or whatever having you know, I think I think
this is
I think he's I think this is a unique thing for the West.
Personally, it happens in our world. There's not much maybe not
so in Kuwait. Yeah, I mean, from my experience in Kuwait, like,
people are aware that there's a lot of differences of opinion, you
know, regarding second, you know, the people pray in different ways,
as they call it is definitely very different. Yeah, I want to
summarize and kind of finish on on this note, like, I personally,
maybe you can just give it maybe a final advice to people who are
watching, or final thoughts. I personally would have always
advised people from the west to try to go and live in a Muslim
country, even if it's just for one or two years, three years, four
years, just even a taster of living within a Muslim country.
You know, ideally Kuwait
Kuwait I love Kuwait mashallah, you know, or, you know, somewhere
in the Middle East or wherever, just get a feel for living in the
Muslim country. And
I think it I think it matures you in a different way. I feel that
about yourself personally.
Since You've Been in Medina feel that what do you think it's, it's,
you've changed. Have you know when you sit with a scholars
it is something that money combined.
Okay, just seeing the humility
just seeing you realize you know, you don't want
I go to Saudi Arabia I was looking for a circle to memorize a hadith
because I memorize Quran when I was in and I know now after Quran
you go to Hadith right? I'm sitting around people while
memorize Bukhari Muslim sunnah be though as soon as that say, and
these are just the students
okay? They just students and they see themselves to be nothing.
All the good well being in the UTA Exactly. So they know that there
are different shelters and whatever have you right? And
sometimes when you're in a authoritative position, and you
have Yes, people around you all the time, everything that you say
yes, you are right, and what
arrogance might start creeping into your heart. And this is
something that we, as people who give Dawa we all should be fed up.
Fearful of right? Even shameful some teammate says, or a to
caffeine Iran minimum test mineral, you tell me kibble I've
seen many, many, many people from those who are scratching
themselves to knowledge become tested with arrogance.
He's not just saying one or two evil a thing right to get here.
moved to Sydney in a Nutella will keep.
Can you tell anybody to be shipped the same way the people have a bad
day of worship? They become tested with, you know, shirt showing off
and whatever have you right? What is the after that will hurt? I'm
gonna have to call today. They become deprived of the realities
of knowledge. Right? So when you're sitting around the likes of
these people
you see on a birth chart?
I'm sure you've heard of him, right.
He is, like the share of the shoe in the house.
He's like, respected by everybody, right? They bring him in a
wheelchair. I'm not exactly sure but his his 90s. Now, the least we
could say he's like in his late 80s. Right. But would you can just
quickly do a Google check and they'll give you his date of
birth. He's a blind chef. He's the teacher my sham there's nothing
better. Someone who is very dear to me.
Something that I've seen in both of them
they're not shy to retract.
Okay, they're really not shy to to retract. And it shouldn't surprise
us. Well, now I'm the likes of Abu Huraira the alotta I don't know,
retracting sperm. You have to understand like, I've already
alluded to Allah and it was not like any ordinary companion. No.
Having to Iraq in 1000 lines approach in the science of Hadith
he says we'll move through the theory Why is it sad Abu Huraira
to live normally, the one who memorize the most the Hadith was
Abu Huraira and asked him Abdullah bin Ahmad. Okay. I'm already used
to give the fatwa
okay. That it Fajr time kicks in the other NGOs have Allahu Akbar
Allahu Akbar and you are in the state of Geneva. You confess that
they
that is going off and you are in the state of Georgia and whether
it was because of relations with your wife or you just had a wet
dream? That alone is going you cannot fast that the
local comes up to him
up drama animal health. Is this a name that rings a bell? Doesn't
ring a bell? Right? Bubble Hooray Rochester about every Muslim knows
him.
He comes up to me and he says
that what you're saying opposes what I share and almost lmrda
Allah to Allah and Hama mentioned.
And they used to live with the processor it was they know the ins
and outs of what happens at the time of failure.
So we asked him, OMA Aleta, did they say this to you? He said none
of the management had said no, yes.
He said Homer, Allah Momineen. They are more knowledgeable than
me with regards to this issue.
He never turned around and said I've been studying for X amount of
years. Let's just bury my mistake. You see what I'm saying?
He just retracted it there and then
underneath is still presented exactly what I'm saying whole
thing and whatever buyers are spread about him, you find that
ALLAH SubhanA wa still protects abou Herrera.
So you have shaken up that was taught maybe what the books of the
six books of Hadith and some more like 20 years as time ago he's
it's been doing it. He's been going through other books, no
other book. It's just been repeating the books of Hadith,
right?
How many times have I had
to
saying Allahu Allah.
The four years I've been there and this is again, one of my regrets,
I haven't sat with Chef and Abed and gone through the books of
Hadith. There's other ways that I studied right. But I did attend
his novel ficam as a book in masala Hadith
without me having studied on a regular basis with him, sometimes
walking by when I'm leaving my house if I go and stand there,
just listen to the questions and answers.
I've personally at least heard him
five or six times
he's in a wheelchair, he is like the oldest chef that teaches and
how
and the most respected is oh he is the head is that will Medina say
Allahu Allah?
I remember Subhan Allah this is one that I can remember now. They
asked him Is the somebody who's in prison? Is the Jim Elijah upon
him.
Is it mandatory upon the individual? Because Allahu Allah
it's just something that one of the ones that I can remember this
moment in time recently he gave a fatwa that
you know this the salon the salon right will have some ammunition
and he doesn't shy away from retracting it's a really really
really beautiful thing. Okay, check out the results are better
I've studied much more with him because he tends to take the chair
of his father who is the son of this mandate right?
Allah shareholders that is very dear to my heart sitting in his
class you can feel the tranquility
him Shut him off data shot at
Shut up there's nothing better the two people are very dear to my
heart. You can literally feel something in a class.
Okay, shut up the result and better. Remember, I think this was
this was was a was a last year.
He quoted some verses in the Quran is a half of the Quran very long
time ago.
He mentioned two verses and sort of castles or Yamuna diem for your
whole
Aina Shoraka el Medina Quinton Tez. Ramon,
the other IAT will yo Mina de and for your code Amanda Jeptoo
monomer setting.
The first one he said it right. And he was trying to make a point
about
your relationship with Allah. And also the commandments of the
messenger sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.
He mentioned the second verse. John, I'm sitting in a class. I
don't know what he's talking about. I've never heard it before.
And he was completely misconstrued. He was trying to
make that he was trying to mention the idea. And I've memorized the
forearm. I'm like, what is it? I started questioning as to whether
I've memorized that sort of property.
I've tried to look it up and I thought maybe he means this one.
Okay, next lesson.
As soon as it gets onto the chair.
It was yesterday I mentioned this I completely incorrect.
And he retracted by what I was trying to say is this one, and he
continued his class.
This man Well, I one thing that I've seen why shareholders are
better. Because you know, there's a lot of criticizing that the
students do. And even some of the own chefs, they blasted a lot of
chefs. And then they have their back and forth and shareholders
are better. He's got Haber. People are in awe of him. He doesn't
involve himself in fitten.
He just comes in he teaches it and he's respected by all parties and
they really like
also seeing other machines how exercise should three most people
know him right?
How he is respect, respectful towards his elders.
Just had a shitty Hey, he has like the highest position when you look
at it from different positions that are out there even a high
position allegedly today, man in Saudi Arabia
and the major scholar committee, right.
How humble this man is. Humbleness is important what Allah isn't is
really, really important for our time. And the moment you begin to
think that you're something I hate, that's the beginning of your
destruction, right? And just seeing him before the lesson.
After the lesson was priceless to me. One time media simonia
I don't know if you know him, might want to have a lovely
brother are studying a lot with the scholars in Makkah.
And people tend to say that we look alike, but I'm sure I'm much
more handsome than him. But
it's one time in the harem of Maccha Yeah. We're waiting for
Chef Sadie shittily to come
and teach the class. He was sitting soon to be dealt with
right?
He comes and sits there. So we want to ask him because I was like
shocked. There's an issue that I really want to ask you about. It's
it's really above my head. We use these terms when sometimes when
English is just above my headlights.
So I said that in Arabic
And the shelf started looking on my head was was the baguette. Oh,
and he's laughing about it. He's just just he's just joking like,
you know.
And it was it was just so nice. It was like so humble.
Another thing that happened with him in the huddle and Medina he
came and he taught us the result of unmanly me. And also,
as he walked down shudder can even hold the arrow saying that,
again from the major scholars more old in age,
he is one of them things like I don't know how to describe it. If
you like somebody's pouring cold water on your chest and your heart
like how good you feel, and your heart melts,
instead of just walking on the harem, and people are following
chefs actually ask him a question. Because guys wait here, it goes
through the crowd. And everybody's standing on the on the on pillows,
there's something that you can stand the ventilator to seeing
what's happened is a big crowd. He just wants to just kiss the show.
This is just started the show today.
shall do so let me show you. Again. Sit with him. I always say
Allahu Allah, Allahu Allah, Allahu Allah. A reader humbles is a
person it does. So
I don't have much battery left, I suppose we have, we're gonna have
to wrap it up here. It's been a nice conversation.
I think there's been some benefit, you know, how the initial
solution? And is there any final points you'd like to make? Any any
final comments? Or how long do I have?
Because we're speaking about, you know, people giving Dawa, and
people being spoken about, and whatever have you maybe one point
that I want to make is, we as individuals
who give Dawa
and might criticize and might be criticized right?
Is to just really be self critical.
And to hold ourselves to account right.
And not be individuals who are just always people who are ready
to point the finger at everybody except themselves.
Sometimes things get leaked out into the public, whatever it might
be, whether it is Dean related, whether it is private life
related.
It's just best that
we just really to think about our relationship with Allah subhanaw
taala
recently, I put something on I put him some of the WhatsApp groups
how a person of knowledge can really drop in the eyes of the
people.
I mentioned the statement of New Jersey where he said
all right to acquirement middlemen to CBN in America another Allah
has aged for Hello it for my ham has been a Vicodin filled jerawat
I saw people who ascribed themselves to knowledge.
They started becoming individuals who were not conscious of Allah
azza wa jal watching them when they were alone in private. So
what did Allah subhanaw taala do? He caused the good things that is
mentioned about them in public to disappear, wiped it out?
You're telling people on the mimbar it Akula have Taqwa of
Allah fear Allah. Okay. And then behind closed those your
relationship with Allah subhanho wa Taala
is the how it should be. Just because now you've been accepted
by the people in the public. That doesn't mean you can go and
violate the limits of Allah azza wa jal so what did you say from a
hammer Hassidic infiltrator what he calls the good things that is
mentioned about them in public to disappear
for can or module Dean can I do mean it is as if they were present
and absent at the same time that Hello attorney wrote to him, there
was no sweetness in wanting to meet them. When Alba
que la Halawa to zero 18 There was no sweetness in wanting to see
them and there was no no that the heart stopped yearning to meet
them.
Okay. So like every scholar every day, you know, if you do ever hear
this, like the good things, the flashy cameras and the flashy
things that people say about you, well, I will disappear.
And it could be that the public turns against you. After you had
such a wonderful relationship with them.
People are heroes today tomorrow they become zeros from hero to
zero right? Because of maybe us becoming individuals who are
unconscious of Allah azza wa jal even though AMI system is similar,
he says, For Allah other a habit to heal Allah you should warn us
in accordance to how much he loves Allah azza wa jal this how the
people will love
Okay, well Anaconda, the whole theme and aloha for halco Allah
addley Talimena. Allah, your ugly Mohan and
in accordance to how much you fear Allah azza wa jal and how much you
glorify Him. This is how the people will be an overview will
glorify You see
this as maybe everything I wanted to say to the federal sir it's
nice to see you again and we Agassi well, some benefit,
mashallah, I'm happy we had this discussion Subhan I was actually
you know, what Allah, Allah is my witness, right? In the last month,
I was thinking about how can I actually clarify this mistake that
I felt I fell into, right.
And I've been kind of like role playing in my head means sitting
in front of a camera. Because I've got camera at home, I can easily
just have say, in front of the camera. Sometimes that can be
difficult if something of this kind, right. And then that same
week, when I was going to actually do it, you coordinate.
And I thought to myself,
I called you this not because I didn't know anything about this
way. You know, I
just thought maybe it was good to do a podcast.
And it's really just worked out really nicely. You know?
I'm Stan
Milner except me. I mean, and no.
She keeps him as accepted. Yeah, I did message him I think I don't
know if I mentioned it here. But I dropped a module called voicemail
just to say to him Look,
I never made to do I knew I disagree with you. And he said to
me, like there's there's never been an issue between me and you.
Right? There's never been like a Hindi CAC.
And
I don't want to go into anything else. Yeah, we but I just wanted
to make that very clear to him. And even this, because it was done
publicly. I believe in front of Allah azza wa jal. I have to
clarify this publicly. And that particular issue in that video,
the other things I had nothing to do with and I don't think I said
anything publicly and Allah knows best Jesus will have accepted from
you and I asked him not to
increase your knowledge I mean, you know make you benefit as much
as you can from your time in Medina
you know, and hopefully we can people can benefit from your
demon
team Beeman, you