Abu Taymiyyah – Madinah, Egypt or Yemen Podcast aadh Madinah College
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Alhamdulillah. Today, I'm here in the with
who
visited Medina College before. He's done lectures here
before,
and he doesn't need much of an introduction
because he's,
very visible on hamdulillah teaching,
traveling around the country, giving dawah, doing courses.
And inshallah, I'll be doing a course later
this evening at Medina College as well.
So let's begin as we always do.
Tell me a little bit about yourself
before you started seeking knowledge. You know?
Where are you from, basically? Are you from
South London or North London or West London
or East London? Starting a postcode, was
there?
South is best.
My god. I'm actually from North. Okay.
I didn't live far off from King's Cross.
Yeah. That's very well known. Right? Yep. So
I lived,
there for the overall part of my teenage
years. Yep. Before that, I was in Nesta.
I was in Nesta for a couple of
years, moved to London, and then eventually ended
up moving back to
Leicester. Masha'Allah. Leicester,
it's a lot it's a lot of people
go there for even Hijra and move up
there because of it's affordable as well as
from from from from from from from from
from from there as well. There's a few
boats and boats that move there. Yeah. Far.
Yeah. Ali. Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah. Alhamdulillah.
Okay. So
grew up in North London.
Alhamdulillah.
I mean, I've seen part of a video
you did before where you're speaking about the
influence that your father had on you in
terms of always encouraging you to memorize Quran
and to stuff like that. So you always
kinda had this desire to seek knowledge. Is
that right?
So it was always very Quran orientated.
That's the best way to put it. I
even remember because
I was born in the Netherlands. Yep.
Do you speak Dutch? No. I've completely forgotten.
I've completely forgotten the language.
He used to always take us wherever we
moved, he would look for a Quran score
so he can memorize the, Quran. So this
is something that my dad always wanted,
for his kids to grow up learning,
memorizing the Quran.
Good. So
you're in North London,
finished secondary school, I take it, at college.
Studied
from year 6 to year 10. Yeah. What
does that mean? Up to what age is
that? I forgot.
What's year 10? Year 10 is what?
14, 15? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So And then
what happened then? Then we moved to
and I got moved to Leicester. Oh, okay.
Yeah. That must've been a little bit
isn't it, breaking school and stuff like that,
going to another city? 11. Yeah. You kind
of got your shots to friends It worked
out very, very nicely. Worked out very nicely.
And it was really needed. There's a lot
of things
that were happening.
It wasn't necessarily,
the best of inch the best interest for
anybody. Yeah.
And,
yeah. Yeah. So we had to leave. We
had to actually leave. Okay. Alhamdulillah.
Because a lot of the friends that I
was hanging around with
not the best of influence, basically. Yeah. In
other words, if Abutobi had stayed in Camden,
North London, it would end up in prison,
potentially.
Yeah. It could definitely could have happened. Yeah.
Sounds like it's the same itself.
Yeah. But that just reminds me, suhanAllah, you
know the hadith of the man who killed
99 Yeah. And ended up killing Yeah.
The 100. Right?
The 100th one.
What was he told? He was told to
actually leave. Yeah. Right?
And sometimes leaving your environment,
it can have a big effect Yeah. In
what you end up doing and Yeah. What
direction you end up going. Yeah. 100%. I
think that's one of the,
it's part of total b, isn't it? The
total b comes from the home, your family,
but also your school. So Your friends have
an impact. That's why they talk about peer
pressure and stuff like that if you're with
good company or the other hadith about the
Musk, the person selling Musk and the blacksmith,
isn't it? Yeah. Definitely. You know, it's gonna
have an impact on you. You're gonna smile
now, so you're gonna stink. Yeah. No one
wants to stink. That's not how much you
look at what you keep on looking at.
Yeah.
Right. You becoming influenced isn't just by what
you hear and the people that you hang
around with, but rather also,
what you look at, right, can have a
huge influence on an individual, what he ends
up wanting and desiring and so on and
so. Yeah.
Okay. So you moved to Lester? Yeah. And
then,
I mean, what we're gonna, I think, speak
about, one of the things is really important
key, especially in the UK where there's a
lot of negative
influence in society,
is how
to get good tarbiyah, basically. You know, knowledge
is obviously one way, alhamdulillah, you Allah,
blessed you to be able to study, I
guess, in few places. Back in the day,
anyway, there was there was Yemen, the Magi
went, Alhamdulillah went to Medina, and also you
spent some time in Egypt studying as well.
And these are a few places that, you
know, when you speak about scholars or knowledge,
we speak about, for example, Sheikh Mokbel and
his students in the Maji speak about the
scholars in Saudi, and they speak about knowledges
in these places, basically, knowledge of Quran and
Arabic language in Egypt and stuff like that.
So inshallah, tell us about your your first
trip abroad. How not how old was you
because I don't think we'll have to go
there, are we? Ages is not.
But I'd say you're around college age, around
that age. Right? It was 1st year of
college. Okay. Right? We did the January exams.
Yeah.
And then we ended up leaving. Yeah. Right?
We ended up leaving.
To go to? We went to
Yemen. Yeah. Because he was advised by a
family member to go to this institute in
Hadhramaut called Darul Mustafa. Yeah.
So we ended up going there first. Yep.
Okay. So in summary, what was the you
was there for a year. What was the
main thing you learned?
Well, it was mainly,
the private classes I was having for Arabic
language. Yeah. Because I was having private classes.
I wasn't actually attending the institute for the
Arabic
course that they had,
and I joined a Quran memorizing course. Yeah.
We was also studying to read,
but that was mainly it on the course
that we was on. And and and and
also for.
Yeah. No Tawhid, no.
No. We didn't
Asmal Sifat and Safa. Ain't going to all
of that. We're going through Teshia. Yeah. Teshia
to nerves, heart softness. Yeah. Right? And that
which I mentioned.
When it comes to akhid and to hate,
that's not something that we will do. Yeah.
You mentioned earlier when we was having a
quick chat about,
grave worship and
what was tell me if Yeah. I'll I'll
share my personal experiences.
We will be taken to Masjid
Yep. At Graves in it. Yep. And we'll
be praying there. Yeah. K?
I'll let the viewer make their fair judgment,
right Yeah. With regards to whether this is
something that is in line with the sharia
or not. But, we know hadith of the
prophet
when he said That's fine.
Masjid.
Yeah.
The whole earth is a praying area for
you except,
but there are graves.
Yeah. And also the
is the place where they used to shower
and clean themselves.
So why out of all places are we
choosing that?
Yeah. He
took their,
you know, the graves of their prophets and
places of worship. Yep. And there's so many
evidences,
so why would we now go and travel
to go and pray at a place where,
you know, there's somebody buried the righteous man
and so on and so forth? Were there
a lot of the messaged in Yemen, they
had graves inside them? Or was this because
obviously A lot of them. Yeah. But
there were massages like that. Yeah. However,
not all of them. So one one that
pops to mind is that
the the principal's
great grandfather was buried somewhere. Yeah. And it
was inside of a masjid, so,
we would actually travel out to this masjid
and start praying there. I even remember, subhanAllah,
that there was these brothers
who actually they wouldn't engage. They were like,
oh, fuck, look at the arrogance of these
brothers.
And I thought maybe they're doing this for
a reason. Even though they're really
heavily involved in their studies and everything,
they were looking at each other. And I
remember one of them saying, this is not
something that we should be doing. Yeah. I
looked back and I heard it, and I
and he noticed me as well and it
just went quiet. Western Brothers or brothers? They're
actually No. Actually, yep. Yeah. Indonesians. Indonesians. Heavily
involved in everything else. Apart from they knew
that that was That's maybe something that we
shouldn't be doing. Yeah.
Why would they I mean, some the thing
is when it comes to, grave worship specifically,
in the west, students here, it's not something
they conceptualize because number 1, all the none
of the messiahs have graves in them, that's
one thing. Second thing is you don't really
it's not a Tarabi which happens
here. Why would they travel to that masjid
to pray in there? What was did they
think that there was more Barakah praying in
that masjid because of the grave of the
saint in there? That's obviously Where they're praying
towards judged. Yeah.
With surety Yeah. Whether you are praying to
the one in the grave or not. But
the fact that we are now traveling, all
the enthusiasm is here to pray there.
The least that we can say that this
is,
something without a shadow of a doubt extremely
questionable. Yeah. If not, worse than that. Right?
This is not something that our companions used
to do. Yeah. It's not something that the
Tabia Inn went on to be doing. Yep.
It's not something that Messenger Salaari was encouraged
in any way, shape, or form. It's opposite.
It tells us that's what we're staying away
from it. Yeah. The least that we could
say is, like he said, there you had
to shirk. Yeah. Something that
leads to shirk.
Yeah. Because we also went to the grave
of Hud. Yeah. I believe that Hud is
buried there. Yeah. In reality, we don't know
any of the graves of the prophets. Yeah.
There's no confirmation. There's no the sarcasm. Yeah.
No confirmation. There's no evidence for that. Right?
Yep.
And subhanallah,
I was with a couple of brothers
and we went and we just I just
seen them praying in front of us so
I went to pray there as well. Yeah.
And the kiblah was a complete different direction.
Yeah.
Right? Now Allah forgive us all for that,
but the Tarabi goes a very long way.
Yeah. I remember
a brother approached me,
in East London, and he was one of
those who was very heavily involved as well.
And he said to me that you said
in x, y, and zed that,
that you used to do this and used
to do that. Or well, the brothers used
to come and do that.
Yeah.
Like, it's not hearsay or anything like that.
I'm just telling you this was my experience.
Yeah. Yeah. So when somebody now wants to
say to me that they don't do that,
I'll just share my experience. Yeah. Yeah. You've
got your thing. They're not like, second hand
information. First hand account basically. First
100%. That's exactly what we were doing. Yeah.
No one ever stopped us from doing it.
Yeah. Right?
If you wanna make the argument that there's
a shiyuk who don't believe that, then why
is all of this stuff taking place? Yeah.
Yeah. Without a shadow of a doubt, the
teacher
has
a role to play in what the students
end up believing and the kind of
direction that they end up going. We wouldn't
say that's in every case. Yeah. However,
if this is happening on a huge scale
where there's so many students doing it, right?
And, and the
might themselves be praying in front of the
grave as well because we went to that
misery that the grave the praying there. Yeah.
And I'm seeing this and I'm just following
suit. Yeah. Yeah. We're just following what the
teachers are doing. Yeah. But you did you
feel awkward at the time or you just
follow and he didn't really not have knowledge
at the time? That these Mashiach, they are
from Trust Mavi. Oh, okay. And they are
saints. Yeah. Well, I never questioned anything. Yeah.
Maybe I should have. Yeah. But because we
were being told that
he knows what I'm thinking. Yeah. Things like
that would be going around the institute. Yeah.
I actually began to believe that. Yeah. Imagine
I would stay away from sins.
Yeah. Like I wouldn't do anything bad in
the institute. Yeah. Right?
Because I knew the chef will be watching
me. Yeah.
Like, imagine that. That's without a shadow of
a doubt.
Yeah. That's the Tarabu that they have there
as well. Listen now.
Yeah. Right? I'm, like, looking around, or maybe
he's watching me. Even though he's on the
other side of the world, he's gone for
a travel. Yeah. He's traveled. Yeah.
It's funny because I have a similar not
a similar experience, but, when I first became
Muslim,
one of the brothers at Alokoy introduced me
to someone called,
Sheik Ali. Right?
Green turban from Malaysia or some. I forgot
where exactly. Sushi guy.
Nice,
softly spoken,
and,
we like we're gonna go to his house,
have some food, and we end up sitting
down in a vicar circle.
Say Allah, Allah, Allah. There's a group of
brothers over here, a group of sisters over
there doing the same thing. Right? Turkish. Because
Turks are inter into into the I think.
Right? We really learn to kind of get
in
getting a bit kind of,
ecstatic through spinning, right, in the end. That's
why
but I'm sitting there, and I'm with my
brother, and he's sitting out of it because
he's from Brixton and this is the importance
of good community for Tarabi and stuff like
that. Right? So that I'm sitting there, but
I didn't feel comfortable because they're going, who,
who, who? I'm I'm in the circle, I'm
looking at everyone and their eyes are closed
and they're rocking their head and stuff. I'm
a victim myself. This don't seem right for
some reason. Didn't seem like there was. And
the the the other thing about the was,
I remember saying, oh, I heard that music
is haram and, look, there's this book on
tahid. And I'm like, no. No. You can
let tahid in 7 minutes or in in
in a day, focus on FIP. And it
had that thing where he would like, look
at your heart and as if you can
see through and see your intention and your
actions and stuff like that. That's right, you
witnessed all of that? I witnessed it, yeah,
but alhamdulillah, the good thing was,
the following week the brother taught me to
Brixton Masjid,
Masjid ibn Taymiyyah, alhamdulillah. And after that, it
was like, you know, knowledge based, you know,
Quran and sunnah, the masheid coming down and
stuff like that. Quick question,
someone might come and say, yeah, well, you
go to Medina, Masjid number, read the prophet's
grave's in the Masjid.
So what's the big deal of a grave
being in the Masjid? We've got that as
an ex It's actually in the process of
Islam.
Okay. So It hasn't built around it. Yeah.
Right? And even when it was actually built
around,
the grave,
this was something that was disapproved by Sayed
ibn Musayib. Yeah. Was
from the students of Abu Hurryyah radiAllahu ta'ala
Anhu and other than them, something that they
disapproved of. Yeah. Right?
And even then, it isn't actually inside of
the grave. Inside the Masjid. Around it. Yeah.
That's right. Right. It's not like it's in
the middle of the Masjid where, you know,
you can make all the fun or you
can basically been built around it. Yeah. And
you can see it has walls. Yeah. Right?
And it's not even possible to actually face
the the grave itself. Yeah. Because of how
they've done the structure on the inside and
stuff like that. That's right. Okay. So this
is your kind of first experience memorizing Quran
and stuff like that. What happened next? Because
how did you end up in Dimaj basically?
How did that kind of So of course
I became extremely attached to Sheikh over there
and Yeah. And I really, really,
felt good about being there at the time
because of the things I was being told
of, all told about, right? Everyone's telling me
that they're from the Yeah. They're the saints,
they're the beloved servants of Allah
so we would just basically love them unconditionally.
Yeah. Whatever they told us we would do
it. Yeah. That's that top of this, a
lash cast basically.
And we would never ask for the evidences.
Yeah. Yeah. Right? Whatever we were told it
would be like
like carved into stone like this is basically
it.
Yeah. So because of that whenever I needed
to do something, I would go and maybe
ask the teacher. Yeah. Like I'll mention this
inshallah to Allah. Right? I remember
when I lost my phone,
students were,
you know,
encouraging me to go to this lady called.
Yeah.
And before I did that, I went to
the actual sheikh himself.
And, and I asked him, sheikh, should I
go and do this? Right? Yeah. He said,
go.
Yeah.
Later on, we ended up realizing, like, many
years down the line, this woman,
and he call or whatever you want, this
is without a shadow of a doubt something
that is extremely,
out of touch with what the sharia came
with, right,
Like, visiting a woman who's going to tell
you where your phone is. Yeah. What does
that sound like? Sounds like a, soothsayer or
a fortune teller or magic ball. Yeah. Is
that magic ball, what's it called? Yeah. Magic
ball or whatever. So when we ended up
visiting her Yeah. The first thing that she
asked us was what's your dad's name? Yeah.
What's your grand
father's name? Is your mother's name, what's your
grandmother's name? Yeah. And we told her, khalas
we've been told by the Sheikh go to
his lady Yeah. And we just unconditionally accepted
that.
So this is basically the state that we
was in. Yeah. Yeah.
The thing is, I mean, I I think
something needs to be mentioned as well is
that not everyone that claims to be from
the oliya of Allah are from the oliya
of Allah, but however at the same time
there are people who are
from the oliya of Allah.
So,
just so people understand the difference between those
that are claimants and fakes and those that
are real for example,
what would be some of the actual signs
that the person is
from the holy of God?
Those who come with iman and also have
a taqwa. Yep. And a taqwa is more
than just being faithful of Allah Azza wa
Jal. Yeah. As in Nurrajib Rahmatullah mentions what?
He's someone who places a shield between that
Yeah. Or between himself and that which he
fears. And this shield
is.
To do what Allah told you to do
and to stay away from that which Allah
told you stay away from. So if your
actions now are not in line with
what Allah Azza wa Jalal's Messenger
instructed you with then without shaar and without
you have a huge issue with your taqwa.
And why not how shiny your face is
and how big your turban is. Right?
That doesn't really in essence matter.
Yeah. Reminds me some lines of
Right? When he talks about what knowledge actually
is, he says knowledge and the reality
or the essence of knowledge isn't tying a
big turbine over your head. Yeah. And then
he even speaks about, you know, chasing off
the qualifications, difficulties.
Yeah. Having very well nicely decorated
shahadat
and being able to quote this and to
quote that. Yep. Having lies apology quoting that
and it says.
No having of Allah, which are a type
of fear that is accompanied
with knowledge, right?
In your secret life and also in public.
This is the reality of knowledge, so stick
to that. No. Right? So no matter what
I claim, right, if I claim to be
someone who loves the prophet,
and then there's just a claim. Right? Yep.
Unless I follow that up with action, it
doesn't really necessarily mean it. Yep. Given Allah
in the Quran,
say to them all Mohammed
And Hassan Al Basri said
Some people claim that they love Allah and
his messenger. Yeah. So he tested them with
this verse. Yeah. Right. So our religion is
not emotions.
Right? And not what so and so said
about so and so. Like, he's from the
old year and he is this and he
is that. Like, you really have to put
his actions down to the test where is
this actually really in line with what Allah
Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala and his messenger salallahu alayhi
was and came with, what the companions are
upon. Yeah. Putting your emotions to the side.
Yeah. That's extremely, extremely important. Yeah. Or what
your logic tells you. And I felt that
that wasn't necessarily
the procedure that we would take when verifying
knowledge.
Right? It was just more, they're like this.
We accept everything that we say that they
say.
Yeah. Bring forth your evidence if you're really
truthful. Yeah. And what I really liked about
when going to in Yemen,
sorry, when going to the mange. Right? This
was the place that I went to after.
Yeah. Everything is deleted. Yeah. Right? The Sheikh
is questioned. Sheikh, what's your belief for this?
Yeah. And I was like, woah, hold on
a second here. Yeah. Even the Sheikh's being
questioned and he likes it. Yeah. Yeah. All
the other mashiach and the students, when they're
having discussions with one another, okay, he made
his claim and what's the evidence for it?
Yeah. And then he'll bring in a hadith
from Bukhari Muslim. Yeah. Yeah. So the studies
over there were completely
revolving around. So for people that might not
know the
there's
universities where you do structured learning, IE, it's
like the system in the west where you're
gonna do
subjects and it's gonna be this time at
the end you get shahadah. But and there's
universities which are really it's a jammer in
a sense of it being a place where
people go and get knowledge, but it's not
necessarily the kind of typical university. So for
example, the Majd is a place which was
established by Sheikh Mohammed bin Hadi and he's
was a graduate of Islam University of Medina
as well, funnily enough, isn't it? And he
established this place where University has a big
problem. Yeah. Upon us all. That's right. Yeah.
So he established this I mean, he first
started, I think, obviously, it's in a place
where
they're predominantly
Chia, aren't they? Yeah. It was a share
province. I share province, right? And he's gone
there and coming over the
strongest
sun lights on the in terms of Hadith
authenticity
to bake off hadith, a hood of Hadith
and stuff like that. Mhmm. Yeah. At the
same time, everyone respected him and the place
grew. Yeah. People used to travel there. Stuff
in the Travel there from all over Europe.
Those who give dua can take inspiration from
this. Right? When he first started giving dua
Yeah. He barely had anybody. Yeah. And then
they gave him a little place where
they allowed him to carry out his sermons,
and there would only be one person attending.
And the Sheikh would say on the
Oh you who have believed. Yeah. That's like
plural, right?
And, and then one time the
attendee, that one brother who used to attend
came up to the Sheikh and said, Sheikh,
why are you saying?
Right? Because they used to study the Arabic
language extensively over there. Yeah. They were pretty
good at. They did use a teach it.
Why are you saying?
I'm just 1.
Inshallah, they're going to come. Yeah. The Sheikh
had forbearance, he was patient Yeah. And he
continued giving dawah even though he didn't have
any cameras. Yeah. He didn't have social media.
Yeah. And Allah has put a lot of
in his dawah and people started coming from
all over the world. Yeah. They say
approximately 100,000 of her father graduated from the
institute.
Yeah. And all of the students that went
around to spread their their own madaris or
their own
jammer at
in Yemen where students of the Sheikh as
well.
Yeah. Or would have a Sheikh. So when
you went there, obviously Sheikh Mopal Raffalalalalalalal passed
away and the Sheikh that that time was
at Yahia La Juri. Right? He was one
had been kind of given the Yeah. He
was like, it to be appointed to take
over, basically. Yeah. So how was it? What
was the daylight study in there? You've already
mentioned that it was focused on the little
evidence, right, from the Quran or from the
sunnah. What was the actual day of a
student of knowledge in the match back then?
Before obviously all the war happened and things
went left. So I'll just give you an
outline of Yeah. What somebody can aspire to
do. Right?
Without going into anyone's
specific life or anything like this, generally what
the students will be doing. You see the
students waking up
an hour before fajr,
Doing the Khayyamul Layl.
Many of them would be sleeping inside of
the Masjid. Yeah. So this was a very
huge Masjid. Yeah. One of the biggest Masjid
I've personally been to. Yeah. Right?
Of course we're gonna say that it's as
big as Masjid Namibwe. Yeah. It was very
very spacious and huge.
So a lot of the poorest students, they
would be staying inside of the Masjid.
When we went When we first went as
a family,
it was me, my siblings, and my parents
went there as well, but everybody started leaving
1 by 1. Yeah. My dad first left
because I'd go back and work, my mom
was there, she stayed there for a little
bit and then she left. And then later
on all my siblings left,
and I refused to
basically go with them. Yeah. Because I wanna
stay there, right? So I moved out and
I ended up renting out a small little
mud house. Yeah. That is right next to
the Masjid. Yeah.
So you either live in the Masjid Yeah.
Or you rent out one of these small
mud houses. Yeah. When you say mud house,
can you just clarify what you mean by
mud? As in here, you think I'm gonna
make a house out of mud. It's not
it's mud bricks and stuff like that. That's
what they're saying. Alright? Just so people don't
think that. Yeah.
Yeah. Like mud bricks. Yeah. But the inside,
you might Paint it a bit to a
room. Yeah. Look now. Yeah.
But it's still quite simple. Still a simple
lifestyle. Simple. Very simple life lifestyle. Yeah. A
lot of Zohar there. Yeah. A lot of
Zohar.
A lot of eating noodles.
Is that true or not? I mean, they've
obviously just say that they had noodles within
that every single day, basically. Was it Indomie?
I think It was Indomie. It was always
Indomie Indomie Indomie. Is that true or not?
I think it was maybe,
around 2,000 and between the 2,000
and 2,007.
Yeah. So that was around that time. Yeah.
Very long time ago. I ended up going
around 2010, I believe it was. So conditions
were a bit Right at the beginning of
2010, so it was much better Yeah. And
what it was before. Because there was that
statement that, they used to they so basically,
there was always this kind of beef between
the students from the management students from Medina.
Right? And the beef was based well, like,
there was beef between the students including the
hadith and Sharia. We'll come to that. And
the beef was, if you want Not like
knowledge. No. No. Not physical fighting. I I
might may hear you saying beef and Yeah.
I think the beef and Brexit. Yeah it's
true it's not beef, it's not fighting and
it's not food. If you want if you
want knowledge go to Yemen. If you want
the judge, go to Medina. That's what the
Demajis or the Yemen students do. Chicken. Yeah.
The judges and chicken, I. E. If you
want to, like, enjoy yourself in food and
but if you want actual knowledge,
go to
Yemen. And in an from an aspect, I
guess it's right because there isn't that much
luxury. So that Mauritania, for example,
you know, there's a statement I had a
teacher in,
in Medina that studied with,
one of the big masheic in Mauritania.
What's his
name? He's well known. He's got loads of
books on poems, and stuff
like that.
Anyway, he said that they used to say
that if you're, you know, they say about
the Khaleedji countries and to Mullah my bid
is in the heart.
Your scholars by day, with scholars by night,
meaning that they memorize.
If you want knowledge, then they want me
they're gonna they don't need
electricity
because they don't need to look in books.
They've all digged. They've got everything by heart
and that's the case of Well, that's what
they thought. They are memorizers. Yeah. And Yemen
as well as in there. They're mesmerizing
memorizing machines. Yeah. They really really are. Right?
Over there in Mauritania. Yeah.
As for Yemen,
yes, they were doing a fair share of
memorizing as well because they used to memorize
a lot of the hadith books. Yeah. However,
that can be found in other places as
well. Yeah. I think maybe it's it's worth
mentioning
that,
I wouldn't necessarily say that it's always the
environment. Yes, the environment does help. However, that's
not a determining factor. Yeah. I really genuinely
believe wherever you are in the world, right,
if you have the discipline to study Yeah.
You will learn. Yeah. Right?
I know a lot of brothers say now,
oh, you can't go to Medina,
they might can't go to Medina,
we have brothers here who are memorizing the
Quran
and they're learning the Arabic language.
They are making a huge amount of progress,
right?
In the UK you mean, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And
of course I'm not saying that the UK
is like moving or going abroad to study,
that has all of its benefits. However, if
you don't have the ability to go abroad,
then don't just put your studies on hold.
Yeah. Utilize the resources that you have. Yeah.
Right? And perhaps when Allah does make it
easy for you to go there, you hit
the ground running Yeah. Quicker than everybody else.
Yeah. Right? So whether you are in in
Medina or whether you're in Egypt
or in Yemen,
really it does go back to you as
well because there's always going to be people
who mess around who won't benefit from their
time. And there are always those who are
disciplined,
and they're going to study. That's true. They're
gonna put their head down. That's true. A
lot of obviously came back to me. Wherever
I went, Whether he was in Medina, I
remember,
may Allah reward the Sheikh, I love him
to bits, but it was one of the
worst advices that somebody could give another.
He said to me, I'm not gonna mention
his name, and I really love him for
the sake, whenever I see him I kiss
him on the forehead even though he was
never my teacher, I really respect him.
After I came back from Al Yemen, he
said to me,
Abutania,
I think it's in Muhammad,
don't go to Al Medina.
That's bad advice. Said that to me. Yeah.
He said, you are at least now benefiting
the people. Yeah. Look at all these graduates
who come back Yeah. And they do nothing.
Right? I can see where he's coming from,
but when I went to Al Madinah,
that's not the only crowd that you will
see over there. Yeah. Right? You have youngsters
memorizing
Zadul Mustaqneh. Mhmm. That are maybe what?
7 8 years of age. Mhmm.
I've seen youngsters memorize Buhari Muslim from the
back of their hands. Yeah. Reading a hadith
backwards. You know, you have 42 hadith in.
Right? Imagine he starts 42, goes 41, 40.
Yeah. He jumps 10 comes back forth. Yeah.
He knows it like the back of his
hand basically. He knows it actually. Yeah.
Yeah. So,
it was one of the worst advices that
somebody could give me. Mhmm. And I nearly
listened to it, but alhamdulillah, Allah gave me
a tufik that I should really go. He
was like, you know, you're benefiting the people.
Let's have a look at the go back
to it again because I'd cut you the
syllabus or the a day of the life
of a student in the match.
So wake up. Okay. They
Shaula, I'll cut you for the food and
the end of my noodles, but can't continue,
please.
So you wake up like an hour before.
Yeah. Right.
And then he would stay awake all the
way maybe up until Duhr. Yeah. Right?
Or some would go would would stay awake
all the way up until maybe 10 AM,
and then go to sleep, have the kayloulah,
which is translated to be a siesta.
K?
And in this period, you wouldn't have any
general classes.
General classes of the Sheikh that everybody in
the village has to attend is after Dhur,
after Asar, after Mahdi.
So a serious student would sit in a
masjid, memorize and attend classes.
Okay? Over there, we had a very big
fitna. You know what this big fitna was?
The fitna of Durus.
Fitna of
having,
a a a a big choice of,
of lessons and variety
of what you want to study. Yeah. So
That's before the the sheikh's lessons and after.
You know, it's in between. In between. In
between. In between. Like the classes would be
announced Yeah. Every Friday.
Right?
Like every week there will be 30 new
classes. Sometimes a little bit more and sometimes
a little bit less. With with students of
the
might be the mashaikh themselves. Yeah. Like those
who are very Grounded. Grounded. Yeah. And then
you have those students
who might be strongly grounded in a particular
field Yeah. Or this book that they've studied,
they will teach you that book properly. Yeah.
There's a there's a book that everyone says
the best book on Sadaf is from a
student in Yemen. That wasn't a that's not
even an Arab. Sri Lankan. Sri Lankan. Yeah.
What's the name of the book? Do you
know? Do you remember? Because everyone says you
have to study this book inside of this.
It's like the main book. I forgot what
it's called. I remember I studied it, but
it was a very, very long time ago.
Yeah.
And it really helped as well.
Yeah. So yeah, Garza, you got these small
classes.
That are taught by the students who studied
with the Masha'ik. Yeah. Or who studied maybe
from other students as well. Right?
And, and I think it's worth mentioning at
this point as well. Right? A lot of
the students when they go to Medina,
they are told to study with the scholars.
Like I studied with the scholars but
the I mean, the time that,
a master student gave me, for example, there
was a brother, the sheikh called,
Sheikh Mohammed Al Karim Hassan Harsh. I know
you heard of him. He's the the son
of Sheikh Al Karim Hassan Hausch. Okay. Who
is one of the
main scholars in Somalia, right? The prominent scholars
in Somalia,
right? I was able to sit with him.
He wasn't necessarily known that time. Yeah. Yeah.
And I thought, you know what? This my
brother has come to the university. He's memorized
Al Fitr Al Iraqi. Masha'Allah.
Memorized all of this when he was starting
Jannah. Yeah. He's now in his masters. Yeah.
Right?
Alhamdulillah, end up graduating with
PhD after
And he was very strongly grounded. Very, very
masha'Allah. I mean, you're not gonna memorize those
without being strongly grounded. Are you? That's that
was a big that was a big boss.
And, and then he ended up memorizing a
shatabia.
I was,
and doing other stuff and
very beneficial. All of the students later on,
they came to Norbad and started attending his
classes. Yeah. I used to always be with
him. Yeah. I used to hang around with
him and we would have discussions back back
and forth. Yeah. We're asking questions and then
he would say this and then I'll come
with you. Yeah. Right? And by that I
could benefit a lot from him. Yeah. Because
you have to ask questions. Yeah.
However, there was this,
misconception.
When you go to Medina, study with the
scholars. Yeah.
You can't have this,
this kind of relationship with the likes of
Sheikh Abdulazakul Betra. Yeah. Or Shek Salasindi. Yeah.
I benefited immensely from. He told
me he told me people just think he
knows
No. He's strong in all the sciences. All
of them. Right?
But I can't have that conversation with him.
As soon as the class finishes, people are
running off to him. Yeah. Yeah. So, this
is something that the students really need to
look at.
If you can't find a scholar, then find
maybe one of these PhD
holders in the university. Yeah. Right?
Or he could be just doing his masters.
But he's able to teach you that book
properly. Mhmm. That's what you need. Yeah. At
a time. Yeah. And see what we had
in the Majd. Right? Yeah. Like 30 lessons
opening up, you can finish his chains of
books in a very short space of time.
Yeah. Right? In Medina, finding a class just
to teach you're
gonna struggle. Mhmm.
Ask him, I think he would teach
once every 6 months.
Right?
So
this was one of the benefits. So you
have classes throughout the morning. Yeah. So I'm
memorizing the Quran, so I'm memorizing this, some
are attending classes. Yeah. And then, of course,
you're going to find those who just sleep.
Yeah. Right?
And then after the law, right, the student
would have to attend the class of the
Sheikh,
which everyone have to attend. All the all
the all the, shops would close Yeah. In
the village. Nobody would allow to keep his
shop. Students from what countries? Everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere.
Everywhere. Everywhere. From America. All they are all
sitting there. Right? They would, be encouraged to
memorize the hadiths that are being taught. So
as soon as the Sheikh sits on the
chair, we'd get everybody to stand up. Yeah.
Right? The first row, and the second row,
and the third. To read the hadith. To
read the hadith. Oh, my god. Point out,
you
read in front of like 1,000. Wow. This
is not just a 100 person. Work because
you don't know it. Do you get beats
or stick or No. I don't know what
you do.
Yeah. There's a bit less. It's not it's
more like It's not always encouraged. Yeah.
And no one kinda like criticize another for
not memorizing it. Yeah. So after the, there
would be
the chef will
teach. And then And and that would be
one day one one day on, one day
off, and the other day, he would be
teaching Al Jannah Sahih Yeah. Which is the
hadith that Sheikh Mohammed compiled that is not
in Sahin, in Bukhari Muslim. Yeah.
And I really, really enjoyed that because we
were coming across a hadith that you wouldn't
normally hear. Yeah. So it's a compilation of
authentic hadith that are not in the 2
Yes.
Muslim basically. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
And then everybody would go on with their
day, like some would be working Yeah. Over
there and I think that's also important to
highlight that. Sheikh Mukbel, he's kind
of area. He was a scholar in all
the sciences, but his area was Hadith. Hadith.
Yeah. Right?
Like what Sheikh Alwani and also like his
student here as well. So they're focused heavily
on On Hadith. On Hadith. Yeah.
And then after I said, there'll be those
who attend classes And there are those who
are not necessarily
financially well off. Yeah. They would be maybe
working. Yeah. Right?
Yeah. And then after Maghrib,
again, the sheikh will be teaching. Yeah. And
by the way, after us, the sheikh will
be teaching the same Bukhari. Yeah.
After Maghrib, we would be teaching the same
Muslim and some other small books in China.
Yeah. You have Al Fosoul which was in
Sierra that the sheikh
Yeah. You have Al Fosoul which was in
Sierra that sheikh taught us a while. That's
even to her, doesn't it? Yeah. Another small
little books that I think he told before
I came. Yeah. That's after saying Muslim. Yeah.
And then after that everyone's free. You do
what you want, shops open up again. Shala.
Go to the restaurant,
you can go eat. Yeah. Right?
Masha'Allah. I think one of the, for me
one of the benefits from that just hearing
that is
the fact that the Sheikh, if you look
at what he's teaching, he's teaching the the
waya, I e tafsir of Quran
and explanation of a hadith. Right? And then
Sira of the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasall.
Right? So
every other met in that a student of
knowledge studies, studies for example,
studies for example, a book on
on fitq, I methan on fitq for example,
whatever the Madhabizi studies, a book on,
masaladis, all sort of all of that, the
objective is to do what? Is to be
able to when you open up the book
of the Quran,
you open up the facility to understand it
because it's gonna include all of those sciences
obviously. Because none of those books are they're
all extracted from the Quran and that's all
anyways, isn't it? There's nothing that isn't extracted
from those 2. So it's like it shows
you the level of knowledge of
the
of the sheikha's wash. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He
visit London once. I remember many the first
time he visited. This is back in the
day, back in the day. London and Birmingham.
I think he went to both, and he
wrote a book on it.
It. I'm the wife. It was too though.
He While he was running around Camden. But
it was it was a nice those days
were good. Alhamdulillah. When the masheic would come
and there was that level of kind of
everyone's coming together and then it went pear
shaped a bit with regards to the salifida
and then shalah. Hopefully written at a stage
where it's come back to knowledge based unless
the Taliban is getting back to where it
should be, which is Quran and so on
knowledge and if to run for differences of
opinion, if it are for the scholars. And
we'll speak about that a bit as well.
So, hamdulillah, you got the had the honor,
I guess, I've studied in in the match,
you know, because it's no longer like it
was back then. It's there was a fit
in there. There was war afterwards.
For example, everyone had to leave the country.
Yeah. And now I think they've come back
and they've rebuilding some of us. Isn't that
funny? I messed it somewhere. Isn't it? I
mean, we still have places like Marmar Yeah.
Which I strongly encourage somebody goes to Yeah.
If he wants to go to Yemen.
However,
the safety, I don't think is the best
at the moment. Yeah. Right? So,
maybe it's better to go to because he
got overrun by the Houthis who are Shiaans.
Yeah. Don't really like. Even though I still
have some family there Yeah. I don't feel
comfortable in there. Yeah. Right? Even though I'm
not going to need a visa or anything
like that. I can walk in and out
of the country. Yeah. But I just don't
think it's a good idea at this moment
in time to be going there. Yeah.
Where would you recommend to go before, like,
what's the what's if Well, I know what
the students are. Advise students is
to go to Egypt if they want
Quran in Arabic. Yeah. Even students have been
accepted in Medina to them go there first.
Yeah. Because I remember there was a brother,
his name is Abdullah. He lives in Sheffield.
Yeah.
Abdul
Hassan.
He came
to
Egypt.
So he came to Yemen and his Arabic
was on point.
Yeah. I really feel that the the Arabic
program
in the marriage was was not the best.
Yeah. Somebody asked now what the best place
to go and learn Arabic, I'll see them
go to Egypt. Yeah. It's not Medina. Yeah.
It's not Aliyama. Yeah. I'm totally against the
Medina books that we have studied. I'm totally
against it. Because what you are in need
of is conversational Arabic. Yeah. You need to
understand what the teacher is saying. Yeah. You
need to understand basics. I don't necessarily believe
that these Medina books really do the geography.
I disagree with them with teachers books at
Medina College. I'm a 100% against that opinion.
But we can differ and not hate each
other. I think I agree.
It's not an issue of Wallan, but I'll
I might have to go off
It's not an issue of wallal,
but I'll go on and I've got Egypt.
They study like, even this is a type
of Arabic that I studied when I was
in Kathramaut. Yeah. A private class that I
was having with this, Syrian teacher. I think
they call it the Asasi books. Yeah.
I've got them over there actually. Oh, and
he's got in the Yeah. I've got the
planties in there? I've got a plant at
some stage. We have to get through them
to uni box first, but I've got Arabic
Arabia, then they're gonna Can I ask a
question? That they teach in Egypt that I'm
not fond of. If someone
doesn't understand a teacher Yeah. Okay? Like you
have somebody who doesn't understand English, is the
first thing you're going to teach him English
grammar?
No.
Doesn't the Medina books really heavily revolve around
that?
The Modena books do. Yes. I agree with
you. And just to support your claim, just
to show I'm not biased completely. Right? I'm
gonna agree with you here. There was one
guy that I've mentioned this before. It was
English,
brother, convert,
white, blue eyes, all that stuff, 100% like.
He went to, Medina, and I remember one
time the teachers asked him to answer the
question, obviously in Arabic, right?
He looks at him frustrated, he says
I don't understand that in English. How can
I ask you? I don't understand Arabic basically.
You're asking me something in Arabic and he's
meant to answer and he was frustrated. He
ended up not completing and leaving it. So
you're right. You do need to have a
little a level of Arabic for you guys.
Something. Right? I remember when I attended a
class But but quick but quick but,
the syllabus as you know isn't just the
grammar books. They've got the guitar bar, they've
got tambira, they've got for example, and then
they've got in the second one. We start
study some basic and some basic Hadithan. If
you study all of these books alongside the
Medina books,
then we're going to be on the same
page. I remember, SubhanAllah, when I was in,
in the marriage just after I studied conversational
Arabic in Hadhul Amot.
I was attending the class,
a nahul class that
And that's an explanation of the main one
that they used to teach. Yeah. And it's
translated in English as well. I'm not sure
about that. So we can just show show
people the book. Carry on quickly. Yeah. That
one.
Just so you people can benefit. Yeah.
No. Not us. This is the book, and
it's the translation. I know you don't mind
me doing that, but maybe you can zoom
in at one point.
Okay. So that's the book, and they've actually
translated. It's still got Arabic in it as
well. Arabic in English. Why would you translate
a Nachal book you wonder?
Because there's people that just like the like
Nachal, isn't it? I think it helps the
teacher as well. It helps the teacher. Yeah.
Yes. I go on. So I looked around
and I said, you guys are Arabs. Yeah.
And your understanding
is no
different to mine now. When the teacher speaks.
Yeah. Right? And it might be at times
that I understand it better than you. Yeah.
Because I I I I learned
like Fusha, right? Yeah. Yeah.
I think they call it colloquial. No.
Classical or Yeah. The classical way of, you
know, speaking the Arabic language.
Yeah.
Yeah. Just general commoners who haven't necessarily studied
the rules of speaking Arabic or reading. Yeah.
I said we're exactly the same. However,
that which we both have is that we
can understand the teacher Yeah. When he speaks.
Yeah. If someone doesn't understand basic conversation Arabic,
he's going to struggle. Yeah.
Right? Because even Arabs, they go and study
Nahua. Yeah. Yeah. They have to study Nahua
a 100%. Because the majority of the Arabs
that live today, they don't understand Nahua. That's
right. Yeah. They're just commoners. Yeah. You see?
Yeah. It's like we are in the English
language. We generally don't know the grammar of
the English language. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
So, I I genuinely would advise somebody to
go to Egypt. Yeah. So this brother, I
would see him, he came martialized Arabic at
some point. Yeah. As for other brothers, I
could see that,
their their their speaking wasn't up to Yeah.
Scratch. Their understanding wasn't up to scratch.
And I asked the question why. I never
actually discussed this with
those who were struggling,
but I could It was it was pretty
clear to me, the system, wasn't actually like
a proper system there. Yeah.
Even in Medina, there is a system. Yeah.
That's not as good as Egypt. It's not
as good as Egypt. And the last so
you're in a position let's just quickly jump
to Egypt and we'll go back to Medina
in a minute. Because you're in a position
where Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala blessed you to
be able to see these free countries in
terms of their system of teaching.
You got to live in there, you got
to see the people, you got to mix
with the people. There's a lot of benefits
to take from that obviously.
So let's speak about Egypt quickly because I
think you've got a bit of a a
love hate relationship. You're speaking about him right
now with a lot of love in terms
of that. Whatever you guys here,
don't let me be the reason why you
don't go to Egypt. No. You you go
Egypt 100%. I think you have to. You
know, and it's not gonna stop you. But
what was that statement you mentioned that you
don't even want to transit in Egypt anymore?
I
don't even wanna live in Egypt.
But you had a good you had a
bit of a bad experience there as well
wasn't it? Yeah. It was going well. Yeah.
Apart from,
them trying to humiliate me at the airport.
Yeah.
They have a huge issue with people with
beards and Yeah. Right? They normally don't tend
to give trouble to women Yeah. But anyone
with a beard, they'll just like give them
a hard time. Yeah. Yeah. They took me
into a room and just kept on asking
why are you here, why are you here,
why are you here? And I genuinely needed
a break as well because
my brother recently, or just before that,
was stabbed. So he passed away. He passed
away.
And I kinda like needed a break as
well. Yeah. I was struggling to juggle with
everything that was happening. Yeah. My Medina studies
as well. It only recently happened, right, from
you going to Egypt. Yeah. I think it
was
in the,
like semester number 5 I think it was.
Yeah. Which is what? I think a year
and a half before you graduate. Yeah.
So how did you graduate? There was a
lot. You were going through it. Obviously, there
was a lot, and and the timings were
problematic as well. Yeah.
It's at 5 AM in the morning. Yeah.
You know, 5 AM UK time Yeah. When
you look at the time difference.
And then I have to be working as
well, right, because it's a COVID period. In
work and actual work, I was going to
work at a time. I didn't work for
a long time, but in the COVID period
I was actually working in the corporate world.
Got bills to pay. Marshall. I had no
massage it open. Yeah. There's no institutes. Nothing
like that.
So, I had to actually work. I mean,
if you think, for example, it's a rosy
road being a student of knowledge, and I
can see that it's not, it's tribulations, and
you have to be patient and consistent. Yeah.
So
I started to juggle all of that. Right?
And I wanna continue studying.
And then
when Boris decided to
put us into another national lockdown,
I think my wife was really struggling as
well with the environment because she kinda got
too used to being abroad. Yeah.
And,
you know, we just got off before he
put us into the next national lockdown. Come
to the plane and went to Egypt? Yeah.
Then I went to Egypt.
And that's It all happened very, very quick.
It wasn't something planned. Yeah. It was always
my plan to go to 2 places after
graduation. Yeah. Mauritania and Egypt. Yeah. Right? But
happened
to be at a time when I was
still studying in a Madinah. Yeah. So I
managed to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
How did they it was a very hard
time at the airport. Yeah. I had to
actually say to them, listen, I need a
break. Yeah.
This happened to my brother. This is As
soon as they heard that at the airport,
they said, okay. Cool. Oh, sorry. This is
on the way in, not on the way
out? On the way in. Wow.
Yeah. I really thought they were gonna put
me on a plane because I had a
very bad experience of going to America previously.
Yeah. They sent me back, which they do
to so many people. Yeah. Yeah. They do
not they're not they're not for that, isn't
it? Yeah. They're not for that. Yeah. No
other countries ever give me trouble. Never. Yeah.
And I was one of the first countries,
subhanallah, after America that gave me trouble. Yeah.
Alhamdulillah, you got in and you went there
and you benefited from your time. Because I
remember, I think I saw you, Marshall at
the baraklalah, put baraklalah in your time. You
completed Quran there or you completed your you
got your Ijaz, you complete Quran before you
got your Ijazah there. And the crime was
in Yemen, and then I managed to,
get my Ijaz over there. Yeah. On a
side note, who's your favorite recital? Just on
a side note because Egypt's known for Egypt's
known for the the big ones, the main
ones, the big kofar, aren't they? Of course,
you're gonna have to mention Hosari Yeah. Without
a shadow of a doubt. He's well up
there. Yeah. And if you wanna really, you
know,
better your citation than listening to Husari Yeah.
Something that's a must. And I think everyone
tends to, like, either go through him Yeah.
Or, I mean, shall we? Yeah.
So because of that when it comes to
tajid and everything. Right? Even salt, their voices
are amazing. Yeah. Absolutely amazing.
I really like listening to Sheikh Hassan Saleh.
You heard him? No. Egyptian as well. Egyptian
Sheikh who resides in America. Okay.
I like Sheikh Oksha community as well. Yeah.
Oksha is nice. And that's amazing.
Medina who's your And, and also I mentioned
Sheikh
Yasser Dostri. Masha Allah. Saudi Arabia. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. He got he was in the
Haram. He was in Mecca this year, wasn't
he? He's always He's always in Mecca. Actually
his his name. I'm in Mecca. Why did
I think he's based in Riyadh? They also
He wasn't. Abdul Aziz. Abdul Aziz always
I got a good one. The teachers there.
He taught He teaches in there. Yeah.
He's always I always seem like He's an.
Teacher. Yes, sir. Masha'Allah. Like today, so there's
no sort of fit. Masha'Allah.
Yeah. All sort of fit be in there.
What does that mean? What topic is that?
That's the best topic. I was they said
to me that he was really upset that
we didn't go through it yesterday. We didn't
get a chance to go through it. Oh.
We ran out of time. Shala don't run
out of time this evening for years. We
got 32 32 lines today. Oh, I'm trying.
Let's finish 32 lines.
Okay. Speak of archivist. So Egypt, you did
your Quran Hamdulillah. Arabic language. Brothers got Egypt
if you wanna. If you want basically Arabic
Yeah. Quran,
Tra'at. Yeah. That's maybe the place for it.
Yeah. Right? And over there, you're not going
to be in a very long queue waiting.
Yeah. I remember brother, may Allah bless him,
lovely.
Had a discussion with him when I first
got to Egypt. He said to me something
that really stuck with me. He said, if
you want,
like here, you can
progress in knowledge if you have money. Yeah.
Makes sense? Yeah.
Because everything in Egypt is money orientated. Yeah.
It really is.
And it makes sense also when imam Shafi'i
Yeah. You're not going to, acquire knowledge unless
you,
acquire 6 things. One of them is
Yeah. Having that change really really helps. Yeah.
Even I tell brothers who have been accepting
Madinah,
work as much as you can before you
go there. Yeah. You need money for money.
That you have on the side. Yeah. And
Yeah. I'll tell you something else Sheikh. Right?
And I've seen this save me a lot
of time. Let's get the 6 first, so
they're getting me one poem, so that everyone
can benefit from it inshallah.
I think I never got. They've
lent an. The which basically means
intelligence.
Yeah. Eagerness.
Having that spare change.
Right?
The calm. Did you mention the calm? It's
the urge to have And also to work
hard. Yeah. Work hard.
Yeah. Right? Accompanying and This is what we're
mentioning, Adi. Right? Yeah. Having that you could
have discussions with. Yeah. And all you guys
have
that can cultivate you all,
before you go and see the scholars. I
think these are your students. It's more than
they're mine anyway.
Underline.
You got more joyhood in terms of traveling.
I don't go anywhere. For Shahid and like
spending a long time in knowledge told me,
Zaman,
knowledge is not going to,
and you're not gonna acquire knowledge, like, overnight.
It takes time. I think that's one thing
a lot of people kind of miss. I
if they think that or they just don't
stay doing it long enough because they think
that they don't attain it, but if they're
patient it will come inshallah. Yeah. Without shadow
of doubt. Yeah.
With dua and you know Allah opening doors
for you, it takes time. Yeah.
Yeah. So going back again we were well,
I cut you.
Where did I cut him? I cut him
on on the point.
Attentive brothers.
Spend money. Spend money. Money. Egypt. Egypt. That's
it. Egypt. Make sure you got money before
you got Egypt. You have to have peace
or whatever. Yeah. Whatever the word is that
they're using today. It doesn't have to be
a lot. Maybe you work maybe for a
year and you save up. Now how much
do you need before you go? Would you
in your opinion? So I assume single maybe.
Somebody who's single
having £300
a month. Yeah. Can go a very long
way.
In Medina
just having the change to pay for taxi
Yeah. Before Asir. Yeah. Because you know I
always tell the brothers right? You don't benefit
from the time between Asir and Maghrib Yeah.
Then forget about your day. Yeah. Because
you're struggling the whole morning Yeah. At the
university. Put back with all that jamming and
the Medina right now. He did it anymore.
Yeah. So just being able to pay for
the private taxi To go to?
To the haram. Yeah. That's right. That would
save you a lot of time. Yeah. As
for the other students who,
didn't necessarily have that luxury.
They'd have to do what? Wait for the
bus to take them? The bus. The bus
might take long Yeah. And then they're all
fighting to go onto the bus. Yeah. Everyone's
just like, you know, not fighting, but everyone's
there. Everyone's rushing to get there. Yeah. And
by the time you get to the Haram
because then you have to walk because they
leave you under the bridge. Yeah. The bridge
is right and you have to walk. It's
an hour before Maghrib or something.
Yeah. You've lost an hour and a half
of study. Students are sitting Yeah. In the
halakat memorizing mutoon, attending classes,
doing Quran. Yeah. Right? So that your day
will be gone. Yeah. So you have to
benefit from that time.
Yeah. So even though it's a little bit,
why is it? 3
Yeah. Is it 4 people who are jumping
in a taxi? 3 real? When I was
there, it was 1 real each. It was
good, man. Those days were great. Yeah. It's
gone up. I remember it was 2 real
when I was there, and then it went
up to 3 reales. 3 each. Yeah. That's
what? That's like 80 pence. Yeah.
It adds up 80 times 2 back and
forth. Yeah. That's £1.60, £1.60
times 30.
What is the mathematicians? Something like maybe Yes.
It adds up. 4 years out. Yeah. The
point is it adds up. It adds up
every month. Right? That's that's Ibadah for you.
That money you spend there right there is
Ibadah. It's all part of the whole if
your intention is right, that's Ibadah, doesn't it?
Because that's what they're gonna do. Something right.
And I've,
and I experienced this over time and I
know other brothers watching would, testify to this
as well. When you give money or when
you spend in the way of Allah Azza
wa Jal, people just think it's charity because
you know the highest specifically states that.
It's not just Allah is replacing that which
is spent in charity but also this is
enough for the sake of Allah. Right? Yeah.
In the path of Allah is a wajal
whether it's you buying a book. Yeah. Whether
it's you,
you know,
sending your books over which will be extremely
expensive. Yeah. Right? Or just putting it into
your studies,
that money comes back.
Right? That money will come back insha'Allah.
So don't hesitate
spending it,
you know, for these things. Yeah. So £300
a month Egypt, if you're going for the
year, 300 times 12 is how much? Finished
times 10 is 3,000 plus 6 100, 3,600.
Right? Yeah. So if you got £3,600, you
can go Egypt. You can get away with
200, maybe even, yeah, £200. No. Get 300.
You're gonna be more comfortable inshallah. It's better
for me. And just
better to be Yeah. And just to point
out, my brothers to think, okay, I don't
have £3,000 because I'm not going to go.
Make the Go with what you can. Yeah.
Even if it is
going there for For the 3 months. 3
months and then you come back, you have
an idea Yeah. Of, all the places like
One of the things I always say to
students, who are students in the UK, so
that university for example, they're doing a 3
year course. They should spend every summer in
the Muslim country, even Egypt and Koran or
in Kuwait when they've got their program open
again, or even going to Medina now for
is it because I've heard the jammer. They've
got a program where in the summer, they
they might had opens up for non
Jamia students and stuff like that. Yeah.
So usually, it's Muslim countries like Indonesian and
stuff, but they still got that as an
option.
Yeah. So that you benefit from your time.
And you know when you show Allah as
always that you really want something, that would
open that door for you. Yeah. You really,
really will.
But at times like we wanna do things,
half heartedly. Yeah.
Show Allah as we're spending the way of
our lives, we can open Yeah. A door
for you.
Let's jump let's jump. I wanna jump to
something now. Yeah. Which is
spoken a bit about Egypt, spoke about the
Majdah, just speak about Medina. Alhamdulillah. You're a
graduate of the Stanford University of Medina from
the faculty of Hadith.
I know. Are you sure?
Why not Hadith?
You went to a match. The match is
is is is molten. It's Hadith. It's a
place of Hadith. Alright? You've gone to the
jam and you've gone to Sharia. Why? Why
didn't you go to Hadith? Okay. I sought
advice from many. Yeah. Right?
And you know everyone's always going to be
like,
have that sort of a task
for what they studied and what they studied
right, which is perfectly normal and fine.
I remember I consulted the Masha'a of the
Yemen. Yeah. Of course, they'll say go to
Kuwait a Hadith. Yeah. Because that's what their
studies revolved around mainly, right?
I remember I saw advice from Sheikh Al
Asmai.
Yeah.
We
used to come back and forth.
And,
I remember also,
I believe it was
Shafar al Haymi. Yeah. They all said to
me, go to Shafar al Haymi. Yeah.
Right? Even though Shafar al Haymi is
professor in Akida. Yeah.
And and the reason that they would know
his state was this is Umar Koliat, the
mother of all faculties, which is very, very
true. On a side note, I asked Sheikh
Abdul about the same question, he said, and
he's at the of Madinah. What did he
say? Sharia. He was teaching Sharia. He teaches
Sharia. Yeah. Yeah. He teaches Sharia. He's still
teaching Sharia. SubhanAllah. Even though he's retired. Yeah.
He can just retire. Right? Yeah. And not
come to the university. He still just goes
and teaches. Yeah.
He's he's a different level when it comes
to, consistency in teaching 6 days a week
without missing days and stuff like that. Yeah.
So go I'm also, dropping a voice note
to Mufti Mohammed Munir. Yeah.
And I'm Graduate from the faculty of Hadith.
Yeah.
I remember he sent me 9 voice notes.
Yeah. Why should I go hadith? Why should
I go Point 1, point 2, point 3.
Now literally he's going on because he said,
I know you, I've seen Yeah. This you're
a very Hadith y guy. You're going to
Hadith. I still remember it and I appreciate
that.
Send me 9 voice notes. I
was like taking aback like, oh, 9 voice
notes. Yeah.
Right? And he's very passionate about hadith, you
know. And he's a he's a disciple.
Okay.
I was, like, very convinced I'm gonna go
to Hadith.
And until I ran into,
at the time,
this was back in 2015, doctor.
Yeah.
Another hadith graduate? He's a hadith graduate. And
a PhD holder as well. And Hadith. And
Hadith from Jami as well. Yeah.
And he said to me, if I could
go back, I would do Sharia. Yeah. And
I advised you to go into Sharia. I
said to him
why? He said the subjects that you study
in Sharia
is much more difficult to find outside of
the Jamia. Yeah.
Right?
And he said that when you study in
hadith, you can find it inshallah to Allah.
Yeah. Outside.
Based on his opinion.
And when he said that to me with
all the different advices that I received,
I just basically went with that, noticed the
heart up, and it was the best thing
for me. Alhamdulillah. Right? Because when I was
in, in Yemen we started a lot of
most hadith, right? And
I remember when I came back, I did
teach
Or what's in the principles of hadith, science
of hadith that I hadith. Yeah. I realized
like, the students don't necessarily even need that.
Yeah. Yeah. Right? And a lot of the
questions that people ask you, and that which
people need is mainly aqeda And firq. And
firq. Yeah. 100%.
Yeah. And, when you're going to Kuwaiti Hadid,
you'll be spending a lot of time. The
time that you spend doing a sunnafik which
you really really need. Yeah.
As somebody who's going back to the west,
you'll be spending,
doing Mustafa Hadith. Yeah. To deliver Rawi. Yeah.
Right? And I think most brothers, even those
who have graduated from hadith, they would agree
with that. Yeah. And if you're not continuously
practicing,
what you studied in hadith, it's just going
to Yeah. Any subject, you're gonna lose it,
you're gonna figure it out. When we talk
about Musa, we're not speaking about fiqhosunna. Yeah.
Is the Is the I understand how hadith
has set for it. Yeah. That's Yeah. We're
not speaking about that. We're speaking more about
the tools that you need,
to check the settings. Check the settings. Yeah.
Yeah. You have Sheikh Albani, you have Arnaud,
you have Sheikh Merville. Yeah. I've done a
lot of the checking for you. Yeah. And
you coming back, you you're going to be
so busy Yeah.
You are definitely in need of Al Fiqh
Yeah. And the because there's so many doubts
that people have. I won't say, it shouldn't
necessarily just be, you know, the issues pertaining
to.
We're talking about also issues related to atheism.
Yeah. Contemporary issues. Any contemporary issues which one
should give a lot of time to. Yeah.
And also the is very important as well.
Yeah. Because we have the enemies of Islam
who are always trying to find holes Yeah.
And contradictions
in the Sharia. And also gives you the
tools to be able to reconcile between evidence
Yeah. And to put things in the proper
Yeah.
Context and perspective.
I remember my sheikh one time said to
me, Sheikh Mohammed Karim that I believe it
was
because I believe he's alive. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
That's why I'm gonna
He said
the text and then also means thieves. Yeah.
So what also does it protects the Sharia
Yeah. From the thieves. Yeah. Any of these
these orientalists
and Yeah. These enemies of Islam.
That's exactly true. Yeah. Very, very true.
I mean, I think in the early days
of the, let's say, the in the UK,
what was missing, in my opinion, is a
lack of being able to understand or sort
and apply that to the text. Yeah. That's
why we made
certain brothers extremely narrow minded. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So we have so we have, for example,
there was always a backwards and forwards between
the the students in, Hadith and
in Sharia as well. The public still goes
on now Yeah. But to a degree. With
that like, you know, the hadith, they
you can see the the like as a
whole they seem much more serious. Yeah. Than
the ones in Sharia. Yeah. But I feel
like you know the the scale is tipping
now because a lot of them a lot
of the westerners are now going there. A
lot of,
even now the Arabs they've started going into
Sharia. Sharia as well. Because of it you
know, covering a wide range of subjects. Yeah.
But hadith they memorize. Yeah. Right? They
I remember Sheikh Mohammed Tim Hambo, he said
to me that,
Is he a hadith graduate as well? Yeah.
Hadith graduate. Yeah. That he he memorized
the. Yeah. Right?
Memorized the However, there's a way around it.
Memorize
the word
Yeah. That's it. You know? Yeah. The way
around it. Okay.
For stuff like that. That's something which you
don't really get in hadith as much as
you get it in.
Sharia, how how's that changed
you for example as a person in terms
of
well not changed you but how's that affected
in comparison? Because obviously, you've got
in a way, you've got kind of 2.
Let's say, might have some of this question
always comes up. How do I study fit
from Hadith
directly or from
the mother head that used to come up
in the past? Right? Okay. I'll just take
a book. But I'm gonna study from there.
I don't need to study a mad head.
Alright.
And that's how those type of statements.
Or I study a med hub and I
use for the evidences for them that made
them and stuff like that. There's a there's
always this kind of 2
ways in which you can study fit, isn't
there? Like a lot of people think that
I'm totally against one studying through the hadith
way. I'm actually not. Yeah. Right?
And as the they mentioned,
taking the route,
it just summarizes your path and understanding. It
really really does. Summarizes, makes it shorter, easier.
Yeah. I don't like it when somebody says,
when you tell him, he maybe follow 1
of the or study 1 of the malaheb.
Right? He says we're gonna follow the Quran
and the sunnah. Yeah. Like,
are the form
based on Torah and the injim?
The gospel and the and the bible? No.
Somebody will say that? Yeah. Yeah. Like, this
has gone through so many stages, like, even
if you look at the,
on one masala, he may have 3 different
positions. Yeah. Yeah. Why does he have 3
different positions? Because he came across
a hadith that was brought to his attention.
Yep. Right? And because of that he may
have changed his view. Yeah. Right? He tried
to look at the different Hadith and
his students derived some of his views out
from there. Right? He's an Alim. Yeah. And
the alim's conclusions.
Yeah. Right?
And the same with all the other Madaheb
as well. So, the way I look at
Madaheb as like an exam board, an exam
board.
Now you have AQA and EXO. Right?
It just basically gives you the tools to
be able to understand what the messenger of
Sala Lisa said.
Yeah. Okay. So we see this a means
to reach that level of becoming a. Mhmm.
Even if we look at entertainment, what was
he? Yeah.
And they reached a very high level in.
You have to mention Hanif
for
if everyone says anti Hanifa. We're not against
Imam Hanifa. We're not against Imam Hanifa. We're
not against Imam Hanifa. We're not against Imam
Hanifa. We're not against Imam Hanifa. We're not
against Imam Hanifa. We're not against Imam Hanifa.
We're not against Imam Hanifa. We're not against
oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Lecture that I wanna conduct, some of the
virtues of Imam Hanifa. And all the time
is when ibn Atayim
made good mention of Imam Hanifa.
Yeah. Actually, I got on my phone. I
actually started collecting all the because in this
regard, I remember this is ages ago actually.
There was a couple of books which
those are,
let's say, really strong
early hadith
or hadith. At times, she used to
basically push to show that Imam al Baniifa
is not even from almost as if he's
not even from a house and or Jamaat.
What's the name of the book? Do you
know it? It's called Nasheifa
Yeah. By Sheikh Mokobin. I think so. He's
a.
He's gonna show the he basically And he
he took it from and there's another the
statements of the scholars at the time that
were critical of Yeah. I think that's a
book that's been
reviewed and
revised. Eliminated.
Okay. Yeah. As we get rid of completely.
Yeah. I think shakmukh and may Allah have
mercy upon him. It was one of the
things that he added, and just to kind
of like,
put us out as someone who, you know,
graduated from his institute.
I don't think there was any, you know,
any anything it damaged The
the dua more. The dua more than anything
else. Yeah. Who really did it. Yeah.
Right. And because what happens today, people will
say for example Use their oysters. Yeah. They
use it. I don't believe in it at
all. Yeah. There's a book by Sheikh Liss.
Explanation for everything that was mentioned in that
book, I believe. Yeah. Genuinely.
Has a book, doesn't he?
A rafal
moolam. And he met And, yeah, so that's
about removing the blame from the in in
the issues where they may have gone made
mistakes and stuff like that. He's making It
makes you more tolerant reading that book. Yeah.
And he's doing this defending the former.
Yeah. Right? Yeah.
It reminds me also of
a
statement
when he said the more one increases in
knowledge Yeah. The more this person will become
more merciful.
The more one will become
more merciful. Yeah. Right? It becomes more open
minded. Yep.
And, anyways, going back to the question that
you had. Right?
It's just a very long path Yeah. When
taking the route of a hadith. Yeah. When
you have these, these,
they have simplified it for you, and they
put it in a very simple Yeah. Text.
Right? I'll give you an example. Someone asked
me now can you touch your private part?
Mhmm. Right?
And what do I tell him? If you're
studying Buluha'maram or you taught Buluha'maram,
you're gonna go into the full.
Mhmm. As a beginning student of knowledge, you
just basically need to know one view. Otherwise,
it'll become extremely overwhelming. Mhmm. Like in right,
you have the hadith
of
Someone who touches his private part, does he
need to repeat his? Right. The messenger
said,
Right. That's what Allah said, touching your private
part is like touching any is like touching
any other part of your body. Yeah. It's
like touching your elbow. Yeah. Meaning it doesn't
break it. The hadith right after
it, right, and this is the hadith that
the Hanamila took. Yeah.
And Right?
Whoever touches his private part, and then we're
gonna make.
Mhmm. Okay. He's already getting complex now for
this beginning student of knowledge. Finally, there's another
hadith and so.
That must be mentioned.
Right? Mhmm. Or he makes direct contact using
his hand,
right, with his private part then the wall
has become wajid.
The manicure will take this hadith, the first
hadith that we mentioned. And I believe this
is the position of Ibrahim Alhamdulillahi alaihi.
Saying we can try and what? Reconcile between
evidences
and say that if it's done with Shawwa.
Yeah. If you touch your private part with
lust. Yeah. Or,
if you touch your private part,
I call you had some reasons that they
have. Yeah. The
take this second hadith. Yeah. Right? And it's
going back and forth. The halammillah, they say
no, this has been abrogated. Abrogated. Yeah. And
the reason why it's abrogated, is it possible
now that we say that touching your private
part is like touching any other part of
your body. When he hear the mister Alaihi
was saying
all those become wajid. Yeah. His prophet is
like
beginning soon I'm not now you're calling in
abrogation as well. Yeah. Yeah. You've gone into
lots of issues. Yeah. Issues as well. Right?
Yeah. And then the hadith guy might turn
around and say that some of these hadith
are actually weak. Yeah. They're getting deeper now.
Yeah. And I need the signs of hadith
as well. See what I'm saying? It's getting
too much for him. Yeah. What you need
as a student in knowledge when you start
studying fiqh is, take one view, act upon
it so the ilm sticks, which is the
most important thing. Yeah. Then maybe the next
time around go into go into it a
little bit more deeper. Yeah. Just makes life
so much more easier. Yeah. What about people
like there's another movement now which is kind
of
in a way the I guess the Hanafis
might be looking at Salafis and thinking you
guys used to say you guys make takrid
of Madhayb and Madhayb and now you're doing
the same thing and you Salafiz in the
hambili madhab specifically.
What's your take on that? I there have
been a new kind of movement of madhabism
amongst the Salafis, specifically specifically sticking to the
other hand with the other shafi method. Oh,
has that always been around?
Well, in the UK, in the cellophane. In
the UK in the cellophane, but in the
moment, yeah, of course. For the Spanish students.
Right? Yeah, of course. They used to, you
know, but in the UK it would be
considered something potentially new. Especially for example, you
know, the because the machanist and salary have
always been It has been 100% level.
100%.
I know that. You know that. But obviously,
in the UK, there's a it's a bit
of a bubble. Even in the merge, even
though they're very staunch, like, we're we're not
going to study books of the Yeah.
When you look at the explanation of the
mashiach there They mention the statements of the
mashiach. They're
mentioning,
Al
imam, Ashafi, and other nanam.
So they mentioned them. Yeah. I'll tell you
something like, like, that happened to me, right?
I think this experience is,
students can benefit from. I remember when I
was in the marriage, I just wanted to
know the pillars of salah.
Yeah. I just woke up one day I
was like you know what, I think I
need to study now what the pillars are.
Yeah. So I have something along the lines
of that.
I asked 3 different brothers. Yeah. Every single
one of them gave me a different answer.
Mhmm. And I'm relatively new now to Philip.
Very new. I just finished the Quran now,
I'm only now beginning to study different sciences.
Right? I go after brother tells me 13.
Mhmm. Another brother, 15. Mhmm. The other I
think said 16.
Mhmm. Like who do I follow? Yeah. I
remember that day I walked into the
and there was the kitab of Sheikh
Yeah. Which is based on
Yeah. Right?
And I was like, oh okay. He gives
a number here. Yeah. And then the shurud
has a number Yeah. And conditions. Yeah. And
then the wajibat, okay. Yeah. And then you
come to the salah, it has a number
of pillars. Yeah. And I was like this
is very very simple. And he's a sheikh
that everybody takes from him. Let me just
study this. And I took it and I
just started kinda like going through that by
myself.
Good.
You
know, I began to actually realize why it's
this and why it's that. So it just
makes life so much more easier for you.
And you
know, the reality is those who end up
taking this path,
they just eventually end up blind following
or they'll go on with some q and
a Yeah. And they try to find the
answer. I'm not saying this as an insult
or anything like that, but this is exactly
what ends up happening.
If memorizing Zadar Mustaqneh is
something difficult,
I think they see it as 3,000 messiah
Yeah. Something like that. Right?
And imagine that every masala you're going into
a difference of opinion. Yeah. Of course. It's
not gonna it's it's it's it's too much.
100%.
I mean, I mean, one of the things
that I kind of benefit from was a
talk by Sheikh Saladin,
the methodology of student of knowledge. When I
listened to when I heard that talk, that
one talk that was I had a tariqah
and I followed it. I didn't before that
time was that, do I do it via
hadith? Do I do it via fair? Who
do I listen
to? The someone will quote one scholar, someone
will quote another scholar. And then once I
had that tape, that was it. I went
forward. And on a side note, the first
book I actually studied
in
and the teacher was Sheikh Abdul Musin and
Abad. It was a Muadhyft teaching a book
on.
Generally speaking, although it's because
mentions evidences in it as
well. A question that comes up and it's
not really an important it's not really significant
but,
there's two things. When you study your medfib,
you study your medfib
using the Muslim country, you study the medfib
of that country. Right? So if you're in
for example Saudi, you're gonna assemble in with
Evan. You're gonna end up studying Hambly. If
you're in, for example,
Egypt, you're either going to study Shafi, if
you're cool. And if you're correct, Somalia Shafi'i
Effekor because that's a country. I can win
the UK. What method is the UK? I
think we do have a method. Do we?
We're not. What is it? What's the method
of the UK?
Hambly.
I'll tell you something interesting.
I don't know Hanafi as well. Oh, thank
you. Established.
Thank you. That's what Institutions that teach Hanafi.
Hanafi
was a method in the UK. Yeah.
But by the blessing of the Islamic University
of Medina,
it became handily. And this is a when
I say it became handily, this is a
complaint you'd hear from people for example. I
remember one of the students in Africa
saying that the mashaikh, the elders there are
complaining. He says
but
you graduates of the Talmudic University of Medina,
you're coming and teaching us Manhijs alikin, you're
cannibalizing everyone. Teaching Manhijs alikin, teaching us fiqh
on nabli manhijs alikin, but that's how it's
always been. The handicap became strong because of
what? Ottoman empire right? So where there's influence
that's what gets gets spread. The Hambly method
was one of the smallest methods to the
point that if you read some of the
books of feck
in the past,
they rarely mention,
the hand belief position on staff. They mention
Shafi'i. They mention like consider to be like
a fiqi. It wasn't considered to be a
fiqi member.
He
And he started editing it. Yeah. And in
the position that he had done.
So the point being, the Hamblin method was
a very small Yeah. Method. But today if
someone says what method should you study, if
one says study the Hambly method is the
strongest. Right? I'm not that I agree with
that position generally speaking. I think all the
methods have to more hadith oriented. It's more
hadith orientated. So strongest in terms of it
being closest to
the Athar. Right? Athar. Yeah. Because in most
of it, Do you have it here? No.
I don't have it. It's too big for
my library.
If someone wants to donate it, then you
can do it well. We don't have space.
We'd have to buy a bookshelf as well
to hold it.
But,
on that
note, on the meds, what's the just as
a quick benefit for students on Nord Stream.
In your experience studying bdahl so much stuff
like that, How would you differentiate between the
medha? The miza of each of the different
medhaib if you've if you can? Or of
the ones that you've kind of looked into?
Because it because I hate the question someone
says what's the strongest med head? I look
at them I think why you're asking that
question for? Each med head has a mizar,
right?
Basically.
You might have a different opinion, fine mention
it. Away you guys,
the camera is yours. What what do you
think? What's the mizah of each madhhab? I'm
gonna say this and it's going to excite
a lot of brothers. Go ahead.
The madhhab of Imam Sheva
because of course Imam Sheva, he was a
Loghawi, he was also an Osoli. Yeah. Right?
Adrisala.
Yeah. The first book on Osolphe was by
Mamechaefer. You can see that it's much more
organized
in perspective of Osolphe. Yeah.
Right? So that's the strongest method. Like rooting,
you know, behind the camera.
You sold out the jam at your handily
position.
All the Samadis are happy with you now.
Right? And it's like filled with a hadith.
Yeah. And it's not surprising because
of the,
great hadith imam that and imam was.
Yeah.
Hanafi Madhhab, in
your opinion if you find it. Like, because
they haven't studied Hanafi Madhhab, I can't necessarily
judge that. What about it being a Madhhab
of Ra'i or being opinions meaning they do
a lot of, if they say, and then
they used to have a One thing I
will say about the,
Imam Hanifa, Imam Hanifa,
was the first out of the form of
the. Yeah. He brought out a he brought
out a
with the very little resources that he had.
Yeah. And
have come across some of the positions like
where imam al Hanifa talks about praying in
the air. Yeah.
Is that something that is relevant in today's
day and age? Of course praying the air,
right? Yeah. On
the plane of the plane. On the plane.
On the plane. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So he
would speak about certain things you think like
how on earth did he even think about
that? Yeah.
But in today's day and age it's very
very relevant. Yeah.
And it's it's it's,
yeah. People criticized it at the time. Yeah.
A lot of obviously, there's a lot of
criticism, but it's mental exercises. They didn't have
many resources, and there were a lot of,
what they ain't around. Right? Yeah. A lot
of people who would try to maybe
attribute things to the person, message salaam alayhi
wa salaam. Yeah. And sometimes people say that
Imam Hanifa would reject the hadith. Yeah. Would
he reject the hadith based on him just
rejecting it?
To follow opinion based on No. No. Yeah.
No. Of course not. And he maybe he
was rejected because somebody in the chain of
narration or someone who was narrating this hadith
was a, a compulsive liar. Yeah. Someone who
you can't take religion from. Yeah. Not because
he was rejecting the hadith of the prophet.
Yeah. That's the misconception that I guess some
people say. I
Imam Abu Hanif will do something like that.
Yeah. I really don't.
No.
Right. He didn't have much resources compared to
everybody else. I guess there's another very important
point, which is how they all benefited from
One another. One another. They're all students of
either that that that bad type in or
the type in. And then it goes further
down. You're gonna have shoes of a man
by any for his 2 shoes. My Mohammed
had been, I sent them and they have
from a to lie on a Mali since
then they have been recording the golden chain.
Yeah. Took knowledge from Nafya. Yeah. Nafya was
Mawlal Abdul Alai Noamal? No. Companion.
Yeah. Right? Not many people know about Nafya.
Yeah. However, subhanAllah they say about imamalik he
was only one attending his gatherings in the
process. Subhanallah. And he continued giving dua. Wow.
He may not necessarily become have have become
known to the people Yeah. But his knowledge
was carried by my Malik And that's it.
Spread around the world. Yeah. It's spread. So
will I really appreciate, you know, the the
formula I really do. Also highlights the importance
of the students, the benefit of the students
in spreading the knowledge of their
imams or their teachers. Yeah. You know, it's
not a case of, okay, just a student,
but you're a student to take the knowledge,
act upon that, and also
share it with others as well. Yeah. One
thing I think is worth mentioning before I
forget, right, this question a lot of students
ask,
and this might save me having to
reply back to so many different emails, which
career should I go into Russia?
I normally tell the brothers, like, they should
take into consideration 2 things. Yep. Two points.
Right? The first one is what you enjoy
Salim. Yeah. Because if we tell you now
go to this particular kulia and you don't
enjoy it, you're gonna struggle
to function throughout your years over there. Right?
And the second thing, what your people back
home need.
Right?
That must be taken into consideration.
Are you going to study something, and then
when you go back,
like your specialty is something that is completely
irrelevant to Yeah. What the people need? Yeah.
And this is why we normally tell the
people kulish sharia. Yeah. And even Masha'i advised
with this because Or dawah?
Yeah, dawah as well. Are you sure? Yeah,
but, kulish sharia.
Of course. They say that is the is
the easiest out of all the kuliya. You
have kuliya and Quran as well. Yeah. But
I really reckon that someone can study a
lot of that which they study in Quran
elsewhere. Yeah. Like on the side, you could
go through. Yeah. Yeah.
I do not want them not to be
here. Yeah. I would I wouldn't recommend a
student from the UK to go and do
a call of the Quran or call it
to look at. They do quite a bit
of, which you could also do in Croatia.
Yeah. And quite of to put off to
see as well. Mhmm. They do. But, yeah,
definitely. Is is is that what you could
find outside of the Kulih itself? Yeah. There
was a That's what I've told many brothers.
Yeah. It's like, you know, we're going through
a kira'at. Yeah. Alongside all of the
yeah. I guess one of the things that
help as well, and this is one of
the purposes of the in the Maktava series
is that
I remember when I was applying for the
kuliad, I didn't really know
the difference subjects that you're going to study,
why I'd go hadith, what I'm gonna end
up getting, why I'd go sharia, why I'm
I didn't really have that knowledge. It was
more like everyone says I used to go
hadith because it's that's where all the salifis
are. And I would say no you should
go sharia because that's you know what I
mean? It was more based upon
but one of the benefits is if you
watch these in the mathematics series, you find
out what you're gonna study in hadith and
what the Netijo is at the end of
the resort and stuff like that. There was
a question on the Bob's head, I think
we're gonna close with this one inshallah.
And
it was a good, very good question. It's
but not everyone gets to study abroad. They
can't go Egypt for every reason. They got
responsibilities here. They can't go to,
you know, the Yemen name is not really
an option anymore. They don't get accepted to
the Jamia on a side note that point,
martial art about the clock, the importance of
patience and consistency.
I think you said you applied 6 times
before you got accepted.
6. I think that beats the record. Everyone's
mentioned twice,
3 times. I don't think anyone said they
applied 6 times and they got accepted on
the on 7th. No. Even the 6th time,
Halas, after that I said, I need to
now progress with life.
Even my dad was like, you know what?
Get married, have kids, get a job.
I've been funny all of these years, you
know, just move on. Because he was the
one that
I mean,
utmost good. And my mom, I remember, she
sold her gold Subhanallah. On the study. Subhanallah.
She really,
you know, sacrificed a lot. Yeah.
You said that that was it. That your
dad doesn't forget to give up. Yeah. Yeah.
The story of Swadji. Me and Shaka Usama,
Allah is rewarded with good.
We were giving
a a We were doing a program to
get this lesson.
And then he just randomly turned around to
me and said give me your papers. I
was like what?
Then I tell you that I've, I'm done
with it.
It's time maybe to just kinda move on,
I applied so many times.
And he goes get me your papers.
I went home, got the papers, handed it
over to him,
and the rest was history. Shalaq, you accepted
that. Yeah. And I I actually accepted straight
away. Yeah. Even Bilal Abu Ibrahim, I think
you've done Yeah. But he was he came
on. Was he there at the time? Or
He really were accepted at the same time.
Masha Allah. But I didn't end up going.
Yeah. My dad refused to let me leave.
He refused to let me leave. He goes,
right? Start your life. Start your life. I've
I've funded you. This is not we have
to listen to our parents now. Of course.
This is not like,
Fardurain I did say at this time, are
you above the age of acceptance as well?
Or you're still kinda in there within the
25 years?
Or you're outside? Can I bother they got
accepted at 36? And I think I was
on borderline now. Okay. But the way I
got accepted, I only found out later. Sheikh
Abu Salam never told me. Yeah. Right? He
happened to be at a meeting where the
king was there as well. Yeah. I think
they invited him over now to be a
translator. Yeah. And, Masha'Allah. Sheikh Hassan has been
some places.
Yeah.
And he was actually the king that signed
off.
It was the king that signed off. I
think the Mufti was there, Suresh was there.
Yeah.
Shasta Hayden was there. I can't remember exactly
who he said. I will somehow again, a
graduate of the time she's first of Madina
for one of the oldest ones. Yeah. Been
given down for the longest time. Old school.
Yeah.
Could it a dollar? I think if he
could, if he wants to correct me, but
yeah, that's my, that's my take on my
credit. That was a good cool year from
what I remember. I think about minimal. I
Philip as well. Doctor is also from Darwin.
They've had the huge impact both of them
in terms
of Darwin,
isn't it? But I know going back. So
6 times Hamblah got her. And and I
only found that later, then there was this
other other
who was doing his masters at the time
who I asked because because I didn't end
up leaving.
And that's it, you're not going anywhere.
And you listen, you said, talk it down,
my voice. I can't, like it's not like
my dad is preventing me now from studying,
that was just for the aim. Yeah. I
go study all of that in in in
things. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I do wanna study
more. Yeah. I always used to make dua
that I wanted 10 years when I was
in a Yemen. Yeah.
And Allah granted me that. Right?
But now, I'm in the UK, I really
wanna go, I went and walked into Madad's
office so excited.
Right? Saying, how is that? I've been accepted.
This was your dream, right? And
she looked at me, no no no no.
And I remember he said something at the
time I was, I was working and I
was picking up something like £14100, £1500 a
month, because you wanna exchange £141500
for 800 rials. Mhmm. But you need to
now study. I've funded you all this time.
800 riyals is about £150. Yeah. £160. You're
gonna stay here. I I I don't want
you to go. I said, please, dad. He
said, no.
Stay here.
At the time really, I can understand where
he's coming from. Yeah. It makes no sense.
As a parent. 100%. Wants their kid to
progress in life. Yeah. They want them to
get married, they want them to have kids
to come out. The age of study and
it's already part basically, you know, your Every
parent
has to work, okay, what is he going
to do now?
Like how is he going to make money?
Yeah. How is he going to fund his
lifestyle?
Yeah. Right? And he was like continue because
at the time I was doing civil engineering.
Yeah. I said no, I want you to
become an engineer. Yeah. Carry on with your
dawah, do whatever else, you can study on
the side, but I want you to get
university ready to do this and do that.
Yeah.
Sometimes we want something, you want something but
Allah is a wajal if alooma you read.
So I I didn't go.
I didn't go.
I didn't.
A whole year went by, you know, Sheikh
Abdul Haq took money Yeah. And everyone,
he sat me down and at the time
he thought that I was not actually doing
a degree. Yeah. He said you need to
stop whatever you're doing and get a degree.
I was like, Sheikh, I'm doing a degree.
So I got off an hour speaking.
I
hate those situations. I give advice to someone.
I'm sitting there preaching to them and then
they say, well, I've I've already done that.
I'm like, oops. He's ripping into me saying,
and he was I really appreciate having that
conversation. Recently when I went to his house,
I thought she had joined me that conversation
that we had. Yeah. It's like, yeah. And
I just wanna thank you for that. Yeah.
Because that really spun my head. Remember he
he brought, you know, refreshments and he got
me tea, served everything. He was not gonna
sit down. He said everything and then literally
ripped it. Went into Yeah. He said, what
are you doing?
He said you need to get any jazz
as well.
Mhmm.
Like he really ripped into me. Yeah. But
it was I realized those who were the
toughest with me Yeah. They are the ones
who had the most impact.
I'm so happy with what Even when I
went to Yemen, my teacher, may Allah bless
him Sheikh Raib,
Muhammad you're never gonna remember his Quran because
I was I was messing around like I
wasn't taking it seriously. I was going basketball
club, football club, this club, this after I
went to college.
When he said that to me, it really
really,
struck a chord. Mhmm. And again now when
the Sheikh is having this conversation with me,
right, saying go get your judgment, do this
here.
Well, it was that day, Friday, I remember
I started making dua the last hour,
and then I said you know what, let
me just check whether
I can still revive my previous application in
Medina.
And,
and my name was still on there. Yeah.
Like a whole year when something has gone
by. Maybe more maybe even more than a
year and a half. My name was still
on there.
It was at a time when they weren't
accepting anybody. Remember that time? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It stopped. Yeah. For a period, yeah.
And, but the visa was expired so I
asked his brother, he'd done a lot of
running around. Yeah. So your dad had come
on by now? He'd come? He hasn't. He
still hasn't come on. I need to have
that conversation with him. Yeah. Let me just
see if it's still available before I have
that conversation with him. Right?
And then I reward the brother, he ran
around,
and he managed to get me another visa.
Yeah.
Right? And,
and we're not patient. We have to we
have to be extremely patient. They were very
patient with us. Yeah.
Remember I took my dad to a 5
star restaurant Yeah. In Leicester.
You must have known you were trying to
butter him up. No. I was like, why
is Mohammed taking me out? Yeah. What's going
on? He normally doesn't take me out. Which
is one of our deficiencies. Yep.
And and,
another time I was doing civil engineering, right?
It didn't go well the 1st year because
my skin came off, I couldn't do the
exam. Yeah. Yeah. I fell and whatever.
And and I told him that it didn't
go to plan, I didn't do well, I
didn't even do the exam. Yeah. But I
have an alternative, I can go to Medina.
Yeah.
Lie, I remember he was about to choke
on his food. Still fucking. Still
trying to choke on his food. So much
for the 5 stars, And I could see
his whole mood changed. Yeah. And I bless
him.
I tried to convince him and I said,
dad, look it's an opportunity even after getting
that degree and a lot of people don't
know that. Yeah. You can actually do a
masters. Yeah. Yeah. I could go different is
you could go to these universities and do
a masters. Yeah. These are second universities.
So you want to be very well educated
academically.
The options for those are like you're spending
5, 5 years. And you get nothing. You
get nothing. You still do a masters and
a PhD. Yeah. Quite a few people I
know have done that. Yeah. Right? Whether it's
in Islamic finance. Yeah. You know, they have
very good jobs in in the east Yeah.
In the Middle East.
Right? Even the other day, Maril Naid was
the imam, Masif Al Khan, he was saying
to me, everyone who do some finance that
I know, they have a very well paid
job in the Middle East.
Right? I don't wanna mess around with people's
intentions, but Yeah. The option is there. Yeah.
I wouldn't recommend a slammer fan as I've
ever. I did a bit of it, and
it's not all Yeah. It's just for the
sake of getting a good income. Yeah. Yeah.
If you ever wanna run away with your
kids, you have something to fall back on.
Yeah. And that's maybe the only reason as
to why I might do that. Yeah. If
I'm gonna No. You can do better than
that, man. I know. Let's get back to
it. You need this for a British degree.
Yeah. Right? If you have an PhD
in
in Takhiq of a book or what I
can do That's something we're gonna do. The
life of
But I'm talking about a way to run
away with your kids. Just in case you
want to run away with your kids. Which
we do want to do that anyway, so
that's not fine. I don't think I wanna
bring up Tamia
hearing about,
you know?
It's it's a rough it's a tough time.
Even in the college, it gets closed down
here. Shalom. Babe. So going back to that
point, you know, I had to break it
down to him. And eventually ended up, you
know, I had his blessing to leave. Masha'Allah.
So I found out then that Sheikh Abu
Salma actually handed over the papers to Yeah.
To the king in Safa Hekhar. Because everyone
was asking like whenever they take my papers
from one department, who's this guy like? Yeah.
What who who got that wasata? That wasata
at the top the top wasata, isn't it?
Sheikha Abu Sam is everybody's guy. Masha Allah.
You know, I just kind of like mentioned
that about him.
As a like, I always tell him every
now and again, whatever that I do, whatever
is on your scale of good deeds inshallah
time, shalah long as we're
insincere.
Yeah. We shouldn't forget those who had an
impact on us. 100%. You've become
extremely famous or now you've got a huge
platform Yeah. Or whatever.
Every now and again when I see him,
I give salams to him. Mhmm. And I
go up to him and I tell him
how
much I appreciate Yeah. What he said to
me.
Mhmm. I guess that's the importance of having
good Taraba which is lacking
in terms
of Western culture.
So anyone that grows up in the west,
Muslim, anon Muslim, obviously, anon Muslim goes without
saying. But even some of the students of
knowledge or the some of these people, like,
synonyms, they don't have good kind of etiquette
or other with their teachers. And the
Every day I teach him archery.
Today he was able to shoot his teacher.
Yeah, of course. Every day I teach him
how to put lines of poetry together. The
day he was able to One poem, he
refused to he refused his teacher.
Yeah. Which is a shame. This is what
happens amongst a lot of them. My Sheikh,
I think it's good that you mentioned it.
When I was in a Yemen,
right?
We weren't lacking resources to study. We weren't
lacking classes. Remember earlier I mentioned that it
was a big fit to know. It was
a huge fit to know.
And the amount of variety that we had,
like people are running from here and that
no. You need an actual that's what the
Medina is very good at. Yeah. It gives
you a curriculum. You need to study this.
Yeah. This is what you need in this
particular and then you move on to this
and move on to that. They give you
keys. Yeah.
In the Maji, I don't think necessarily we
had that. Just had a whole load of
variety of lessons. Yeah. And everyone is excited
like a young child has been
deprived of sweets and all of a sudden
now you know his dad gives him money,
literally wants to buy everything. Yeah. That's exactly
how we were. Mhmm. I remember my dad
used to say to me, I don't wanna
hear anything other than the Quran. Mhmm. And
that's a
very successful or very
wise piece of advice.
And then later when I came to know
about how the salaf, they would give a
lot of time to Quran. In the beginning,
it was first when it was start. Even
if you look at the books of
Tajim, right,
they would start Quran and then he would
go and seek knowledge. Yeah. Like, yafadul Quran.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. SubhanAllah. Yeah.
So he would say to him, I don't
wanna hear anything.
You'll see students jumping from here and there.
I'll go to the point I was making.
Right? We didn't lack resources. We didn't lack
knowledge. We didn't like having teachers. Mhmm. One
thing I feel that we really lacked was,
not knowing how to
deal with matters
that,
is that has, room for interpretation.
K?
It still had issues. It still had your
related issues. Yeah. If your Sheikh has a
certain position Yeah.
Is it the must that you take it?
Answer is no. Yeah. Right?
And you don't have to force that in
any Position of what else. Yeah. Anyone else's
throat. Right? Mhmm. And because of that, I
feel like a lot of students who left
the Majd,
they ended up, you know,
fighting with one another, refuting one another, rebuking.
Yeah. And some of them even started disrespecting
their own teacher. Mhmm. I don't
agree with everything that my Sheikh said. Yeah.
Everything that he done and what he may
have said about this individual or that individual.
Mhmm. I'm still going to respect him, my
teacher. Yeah. Right? And in your journey of
seeking knowledge you will come across statements that
your teachers have said we should not agree
with. That's right, yeah. You should still respect
him as a teacher. Mhmm. Right?
However, I don't agree
with, you know. Yeah. But I I guess
one of the things that helps that is
having more than one teacher, being able to
study with different teachers in different sciences, different
fields. Then you start to appreciate that. And
on top of that, also studying a sort
of and
stuff like that.
You want to know the mistake of a
shirk, then go and sit with another shirk.
Yeah. You'll see that he looks at things
differently. He's much more
calmer in how he deals with certain fitter.
Okay. Just to close,
where can where can people benefit from you
now? Because I know you've got hamdullah, you
travel a lot anyway. You're here and you're
not from from Leicester.
Now you've got a program online on knowledge
college with. Yeah. See, I'm teaching
teaches
on that. Yeah.
Sadia Sin Munia. Yeah. So I had Yeah.
Right. There's a brother also now in Egypt.
Yeah. Right. He's
a very good at Shafi. I feel like
there are teachers on there. Yeah. All those
teachers on there. So it's online, there's lots
of
Sadabu Bakr. Yeah.
Who is doing his masters in. Masha'Allah. In
the Jaminal. He's even there as well.
And brother,
was Sadie Asiri Yousef. Yeah. Right.
Also
really spend a lot of time with Sheikh
Haytham Sarham. Okay. Good. Yeah. I really like
his explanations sometimes because my wife, listens to
the classes. Yeah. And it really takes me
back with how simply I really like his
explanations.
So there's a lot of benefits, a lot
of online courses. So if you happen to
be in a remote place Yeah. That's what
I say. Right? Place where you struggle to
find Yeah. Massages or duels or Then you
have the online option. You have the online
option.
And you do a q and a on
there as well, don't you?
I do q and a. Once a month
for once a week or something. I, have
to teach on there is.
Last
2 years or so, I've taught it around
7 times. Excellent.
Yeah. And the second year I teach.
And the other brothers teach,
different sciences. Yeah. So
all your all your hambilies, you can't study
now, can you? That always comes up. I'm
studying Shafi'i fit. Can I can I attend
someone asked me this question just quickly? Said
I'm studying Shafi'i fit. I'm gonna I wanna
attend this poem. Can I attend it because
it's Hambly Fair? Let's ask,
Zubairis.
So I I discussed this point right at
the beginning. Who's a Shafi'i and attended the
classes of of Hanbali?
How do you think you found the classes?
So it's allowed though. It's allowed to do
that. He told us all of these things,
they just they differ on small stuff, but
the principles are Are the same, like, you
know, conceptualizing the messiah Is the same. Then
you only need to know what is for
or against. Yeah. Your method. Yeah. Yeah. Right?
But at the end of the,
to be honest with you, mostly,
they're exactly the same. Yeah. Right?
But this is exactly
you'd come to the Yeah. And we conceptualize.
Yeah. Teacher explains it, and then he gives
you, okay, the position in mimetic. It's either
for or against. But you need to understand
it. Yeah. And a lot of that which
we are teaching the other day,
was that which every single mad hub.
Yeah.
Would discuss in their books. Yeah. Right? And
I'll give the evidences as well. Yeah. Right?
So a lot of brothers who are studying
Shafaq, they were there as well. Right?
And, Alhamdulillah,
from what they said they they felt like
they benefited.
Article 3Q. Now I think that's been a
in terms
of benefit and content and speaking about issues
on studying and being a student, it's been
in-depth.
Last question, I think it was you you
had a question, wasn't it about or what
was the question you mentioned that was it?
What kind of student
accomplished here in the UK? I think a
lot can be accomplished. Yeah. Right. A lot
can be accomplished.
So what can be accomplished here in the
UK without going aboard? Yeah. Joe? You can
study Arabic. Yeah. Alright. They do say, like,
for every language that you study, the number
one principle is you have to be around
these people. Mhmm. Right?
You might not necessarily be able to speak
fluently, however, you can learn and then maybe
spend a little bit of time abroad. You
can memorize the Quran here without a shadow
of a doubt. Yeah. I've seen some of
the clips
of Sheikh Sharif students. Yeah. I think that
they're all from the college.
They're memorizing. Mhmm. Right?
There are many madrasas that one could go
to. Yeah. And I just wanna point a
very important
matter out. Right?
You may think that you become
older than the age of those who attend
these.
Like, it may well be that you have
to humble yourself and attend these classes.
Right?
Even if they are much much younger than
you at the end of the day,
your knowledge requires humility. Yeah, of course. Yeah.
I have told brothers this and I said,
otherwise, when you're gonna ever memorize the Quran?
So then you really have to step on
your ego and bite your tongue.
Can without a shadow of a doubt take
quite a few sciences as well. Mhmm. And
I've been taught by the different colleges.
Especially today with the,
the the social media and also YouTube, you
can study a lot. There's lots you can
do. Yeah. There's lots that you could do.
However, that which you will miss out on
is a tarbia of the scholars.
Seeing how they conduct themselves.
Tell you something about Sheikh Abdul Zakir Badar,
Sheikh Aymer Bahjid that really really touched me.
I know Sheikh Abdul Zakir Badar would be
spoken about. Mhmm. They would raise a lot
of questions,
on his menhadj. Yeah.
I don't think I ever heard the Sheikh
addressing anything.
That's true. He doesn't reply to any of
it. And even like and eventually they all
end up coming around. Mhmm. I've seen it
with Shahsara, the same as all. And I
used it really made me laugh. Even Shahsara,
Cindy, they wanna address any of these things.
They would just act like nothing's happening. Current
teacher and benefiting people. And eventually, all of
them came around. Mhmm. Right? And I really
benefited from that. Really benefited from that. And
the And he I've been attacked
in the past.
Yeah. I think he went there as a
number one enemy Yeah. To the drama, generally
speaking. Like,
it's not a it's not a good idea
for me not to start complaining or start
them online or whatever, I start getting upset.
Just you know, as they say the dog
keeps walking and the van keeps moving, right?
Alhamdulillah. We're just going to concentrate to add
on teaching. Yeah. And don't let any of
these things get to you. And this is
the of the. You don't need to necessarily
respond to every little thing that
somebody does. And with that's exactly what happens.
Right?
Yeah.
Some
sort of harm is going to come to
you. Yeah. Yeah. Right? I had even, one
time when Sheikh Abdul Zakha Badri, don't quote
me on this, but I heard this, that,
they were they were attacked,
and his glasses were broken. Subhanallah.
But, Yani, he didn't start, you know, making
a YouTube video complaining about these guys or
these guys or that, these guys or that.
Yeah. What you won't do,
which is, you know Teach and spread a
beneficial knowledge. Which is beneficial because there's a
lot of dawah to be spread. No. 100%,
especially in the UK. Exactly. Yeah. Alhamdulillah.
There because
you you won't have any time to prepare
for the lecture, the next 3 hour lecture
that you're gonna be doing, inshallah,
about half an hour. So
I'd like to say a big thank you
for
coming. We've managed to actually get it out.
We're trying to sort Yeah. For a long
time. For years. Right? And
every single time sign would happen. And I
think it was good that maybe it happened
now. Yeah. Yeah. This time is good.
South Florida is always a trek as well.
I know I don't leave it. I don't
leave South Florida. I don't know where else
it's it's distant. I'm going going to east,
west and You can do. Extremely easy. But
South Africa. You have to. Yeah. Anyway, inshallah
we'll see you again soon.
Inshallah.
And that's it inshallah for this one. And
inshallah,
I hope it's been of benefit and until
next time.