Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – THE DESTITUTE A DISCUSSION ON THE SPIRITUALITY OF POVERTY

Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera
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The speakers discuss the current state of the world, including the rise of materialism and the need for people to spend more money. They also talk about the importance of consumerism and how it affects people's behavior. The conversation touches on the benefits of play o'clock at local supermarket in India, Pakistan, and Egypt, where parents live in a nursing room and bathrooms, and the success of Playboy's in generating wealth.
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hamdulillah

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Al Hamdulillah here on malaria Alameen wa salatu salam ala Murthy

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Rahmatullah Alameen are the early he was speaking about a killer

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seldom at the Sleeman Kathira on Eli Yomi. Dean Mr. Barrett, call

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Allah with the baraka Ouattara feel Korean material for Connell

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Hamid

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Al halco Taka Thor Hatter's Ottoman macabre

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Bacala Tara, where you will liquidly whom as a lady Gemma and

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Myrna whadda. Ya Cebu Anna Maria who have fled.

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Work on the BU sallallahu alayhi wa sallam if disorder have enough

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okatie misfold Marysia are called Uttara wakad sallallahu alayhi wa

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sallam gathered for Kuru Hakuna Ghufron.

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My dear respected brothers and sisters and our other guests here,

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salaam Wa alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

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We're living in a very strange world, especially in

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the time that we're living in and and then in the West. And then in

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London, for many of us, London, New York, Shanghai, Dubai. That's

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kind of the trend now, we seem to be

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we have two issues that we're dealing with. First, it's the way

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the whole system works. In which money, I mean, I'm not an expert

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in this, and I'm sure Sheikh uses gonna probably expound on that

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much more than much more, but we're everything travels up. So

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the people on the ground, you and I were left poor. And from

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materialistic sense. And the people at the top they make every

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year they make the same amount and more they get their bonuses. So if

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there's been extra claims in a particular year, because there

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were these cost camps of people having others bang into them. And

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then, you know, there was a massive scam two, three years ago,

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or five years ago, and then insurance just shut up for

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everybody premiums. At the end of the day, the people at the top,

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they're going to make the same amount of money, because the next

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year, they're just gonna raise the premiums. So we're gonna end up

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paying the same, you know, more and more each year. Right, because

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the people at the top they need to get the profit and the additional

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bonuses and their raises and so on and so forth.

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Like that's like, with everything. I mean, we're we're living in a

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system where we're so part of that system, which is prophesied by the

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messenger, salallahu, alayhi, wasallam, as well, that we could

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probably say I was just discussing with Sheikh Yusuf earlier, that do

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you think we could say that we have living in the West, we have

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actually become institutionally

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materialized. Or you can say institutionally, we become

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institution institutionalized in the mess of capitalism, in the in

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the midst of materialism, in decadence, consumerism, we're all

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parts of it.

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Because today, the situation is that from the bottom, and as in

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terms of the consumer, there's a different problem from the top,

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it's pure capitalism, where they they just want people to spend and

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spend and spend, they actually measure the we constantly hear in

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the news reports that the health of a society, the health of this

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country is measured by how much people spent on Oxford Street, you

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know, during this holiday or that holiday, and everybody gets really

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excited when people spent more. So despite the fact that you may not

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need, I lived in America for eight years, and I felt consumerism was

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big there. Because, you know, that's the land of opportunity,

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and so on, there's still a marked difference, I believe, between the

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states and the US. So you know, what people are buying, buying,

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buying. And then after every few months, they do a garage sale,

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right? You've seen the garage sales. And basically, then they

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tried to get rid of, and some people, they just keep it in

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there, because they have these big houses, garages and so on. I mean,

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we can't really do that in London, you have to be much more careful

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about that. The problem we have though, on another level, is that

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we will buy things by the time we've actually paid it off. The

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thing is one out so you bought a new sofa or a new TV, and we're

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paying you know, we're paying every every month, by the time

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we've actually paid it off. We it's all worn out. So you you

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never really enjoy what you buy because you constantly think that

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you have to still pay it off. It's not really yours. When you have

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paid it off. It's become old and you have to start again. And you

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have to get the next best thing out there.

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So from the top down, it's just they want everybody to spend and

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from the bottom up, the situation is, is different. The situation is

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that we are encouraged to spend as much as possible. And we've got

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some quite interesting things that, you know that that, that are

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used a lot of promotions and so on, for example,

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if you just think of some of the promotional material out there

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that we're bombarded with day in and day out, especially in London,

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and you know, wherever else you I used to live in Santa Barbara, in

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California for eight years. And one of the great things about

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Santa Barbara was that there were no billboards, billboards were

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banned in the city. So I never saw a billboard for a very long time

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unless I went to Los Angeles, which is two hours away from that.

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But here, we're constantly bombarded, you know, whether

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you're, whether it's on a site of a bus or whether, you know, it's

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you're waiting at a bus stop or on the road, or wherever you are. So

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the whole concept of it is to get us to spend and to get us to

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indulge and to enjoy. So for example,

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it says,

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ice cream, sheer indulgence. That's the motto of sheer

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indulgence. Another one is pure decadence.

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Now, these are all words that you know we consider to be lowly terms

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for people who've lost their knifes and their soul and they've

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become prey to their desire. But yet, this is what attracts us

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seeing that nice big Magnum I screen, right? And it says sheer

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decadence, pure intelligent indulgence, sheer bliss. And you

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feel like you want to go and get one. I mean, obviously, they spent

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millions, trying to find the right key terms, and presenting them the

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right way that mean that millions are spent in basically producing

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these promotions to make millions or billions on top of that.

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Another one is, it gets as far as saying, there's one that says

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bring out the devil in you.

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That's so shaytaan is like bring out the shaytaan in you. And we

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just passed by this. I don't think we even I mean, when you see such

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a advertisement, I don't think we even bother to think about it

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twice. Like ma that shaytani but shaytan is becoming so popular.

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Like bring out the devil in you. That's the total opposite what

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we're supposed to be doing. Another one is Heineken refreshes

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the parts that others cannot reach.

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I mean, Hamdulillah we don't you know, most of us don't drink but

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it's just the term and it's just what it's telling you another one

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is just do it.

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I mean, everybody knows that one. What is just do it. Right that's

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your night just do it. Right and so just do it. It's just about us

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freedom. Just do what you have to do what you want to do.

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Another one is when you got it, flaunt it.

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That's about ostentation.

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Cable,

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arrogance, but when you got it, just flaunt it.

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Some of the best ones advertisements are from visa and

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American Express. One of them is it's everything you want to be

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It's everything you want to be you see a person on the moon and when

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he needs money, there's a American Express machine there. And you

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know, a cash machine, credit card machine Subhanallah

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another one is Have it your way just pure knifes you know Have it

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your way Have it your way. Another one is this is a famous one a

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diamond is forever.

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I mean is it really forever? Right? A diamond is forever and

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they've made literally billions out of that one.

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Only gender is forever.

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Or Hellfire for that matter.

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My goodness, my goodness.

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And do you remember I mean those are the older ones here will

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remember happiness is a cigar called Hamlet.

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Do you remember that one? Happiness is a cigar called

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Hamlet's.

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Do you remember that one?

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It was a British one. I don't know.

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Another one. Betcha you can't eat just one.

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So just eat and eat and eat totally opposed to what the

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Prophet sallallahu Sallam is telling us to do.

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So that's what we are bombarded with day in and day out. So what

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do we do?

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What this book is all about? It's actually although it says the

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destitute it's actually very deceiving title in a sense because

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It's not just about poverty. It's not just about somebody who

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doesn't have material substance. But let me just read to you one

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portion of it, one, one paragraph from it, which goes to explain

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what he's speaking about. And I'm sure our other respected scholars

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will expound on that further. He says, Consider from the example of

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your own life that the agonies of poverty are nothing but the

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representations of confused souls when they abandon one another.

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So poverty is nothing but the representation of confused souls

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when they have abandoned one another.

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What is basically

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if 2.5% of the world's wealthy went to the poor, there would be

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no poverty in the world.

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But to point even 2.5% is not given. And this has been shown in

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the time of Ramadan Abdulaziz within two and two years and four

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or five months of his rule. There was nobody in North Africa to

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accept the cut because everybody seemed to be well off. So today

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we're enjoying great prosperity. In fact, there's a hadith in

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Muslim which speaks about the Prophet sallallahu sallam was

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asked about different trials that are to be set the ummah. And then

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he said, then they said, What about after that, and then he

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said, after that will be the fitna to Sahra

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the fitna to Surah, the fitna of prosperity, where the smoke of it

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will come from under your feet, basically saying that it will be

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everywhere, money will be very easy to have and to get and to

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gain to use. And that's why today,

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poverty in Western countries is in a new, it's got an it's a it's an

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it has a new form. Because you don't have to have money to spend

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money today. You don't have to have money to spend money,

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you just have to have a few credit cards, and then you Max them out,

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and then you become bankrupt. And there's a system in place to deal

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with that. So people are buying on credit cards, and depression etc,

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etc. You know, that's, that's besides the point that's an after

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the fact. The fact is that we need to indulge right now and just make

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and get as much as possible. So what he's saying here, though, is

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that the agony is of poor poverty that people feel they come from

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nothing. They're just a representation of confused souls,

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when they abandon one another compassion is gone. Selfishness

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has set in. There is no, absolutely no care and concern for

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anybody else. And I mean, sitting here and with what's going on in

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Syria, and in other places. I mean, we do seem even hypocritical

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even speaking about this, because of what we eat. Just today, I saw

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a video of these two kids who are in their own world, they're just

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picking literally from among the pebbles. They're picking bits of

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bread,

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the older sister who's 10 years old, and then you've got this

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younger brother of hers is about seven, the younger brother, he's

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just finding the bread meeting. And the 10 year old, she's she's

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discussing with the interviewer, but she's just going about her

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work. And she just saying like, you know, and she's piling it up

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on this cardboard piece on this cardboard piece of cardboard

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literally, literally, like what birds would pick. That's what

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that's what they're reduced to. And he's saying that we've been

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left behind. But the Eman mashallah is so great, that

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sometimes you you sometimes think that do we need poverty to

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strengthen our faith?

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Is that what's going to help us because we become so

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institutionalized in capitalism here, that we become part and

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parcel of the system, where we don't even think otherwise. So,

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then he says,

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and that is the simplest form of hatred, then he says, oh, when

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they conflict with one another, then that is the cause of hatred,

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or when they plot against one another, then that is hatred

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itself.

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And then he says, It is for this reason, that the miser that the

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miser is one of the ingredients of poverty

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Subhanallah he's really been thinking about this, that the

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miser is an ingredient he's contributing to the poverty of the

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world. Though he may account himself one of the many elements

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of wealth, wealth, so he thinks is one of the elements of wealth, but

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he's actually one of the ingredients of poverty. So this

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book is going to challenge us, it's going to make us rethink and

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I'm really glad that this has been translated, because it's extremely

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profound. It will deal with wealth and the concept of poverty in a

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way that you've never heard about it. We've never thought about it,

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because we're so institutionalized. It it will what

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it seeks to argue here. Is that poverty

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is not just absence of wealth, but poverty is rather the absence of

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all character, praiseworthy character traits. That's poverty,

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which is more harmful than the poverty of wealth. Yes, there's a

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hadith in which the Prophet sallallahu sallam said, curdled,

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fakra Hakuna Qumran that it is very possible. It's likely in

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many, many circumstances situations, poverty does lead to

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infidelity. You know, somebody's renouncing God because they think

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they've been, you know, they think they've been forsaken. But that

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happens in very few cases from a lot of what we've seen. So

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highlight, it strengthens the mind as well to a certain degree. But

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regardless of where you are, the worst thing is to be poor, in

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terms of compassion, in terms of generosity, in terms of love for

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the other in terms of preference, contentment with what we have, not

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hankering after everything that is out there that shines and

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glitters, that's really, that's really what we need to be, we need

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to be looking towards and to try to imbibe within ourselves. Now,

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the fact is, that, regardless of where you live today, regardless

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of where you live, today, many countries they've just followed

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the same path, this phenomenon of Riba and etc. It's worldwide,

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whether you're in a Muslim country or otherwise, it's just sometimes

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clothed in different names, and, and so on, so forth. Yes, there

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are some serious institutions that are properly Islamic and so on.

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But the there's definitely the same problem you'll have in

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Pakistan, you'll have in India, you'll have in the UK. So what is

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it that we need to do? So at the end of the day, we need to get

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back to ourself, and we need to realize, and this book, inshallah

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will be assisting in that regard, because it will make us really

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think, and hopefully, it will get us into the center. Because

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despite all that we have and the material that is available to us,

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we're in a very good position to do a lot, as long as we don't

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become institutionalized in that same greedy game. And that's

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what's most important, is to think of it to make to repent from our

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excesses of the past and to focus on the future, because God is

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always forgiving. And Allah subhanahu wa taala, he likes those

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people who reflect because that's what he says in the Quran that

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people should do a philosopher Caronia to the balloon look

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around. We're so we're so tunnel visioned in terms of what's around

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us that we don't look around the world and how things are

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happening, the factors that are in play. So that's what we need to

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do. I'll give you one last story before I finish. But just a few

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observations. We live in a world where the dollar is one of the

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most popular currencies. The dollar says on it. The dollar says

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In God We Trust yet.

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When he told me how many minutes I've got left.

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Oh, I have eight more minutes. I was going to finish off in two.

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Okay, all right.

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So we live in a time where you've got one of the most popular

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currencies of the world, In God We Trust, yet not a single God

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ordained law or rule is observed, or even, or even taken as guidance

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in generating that wealth and that money.

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So it's there. And that's such hypocrisy. In God We Trust yet

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everything is man made, the whole system is man made, and that's why

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it collapses.

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And yet the bill is there. I mean, SubhanAllah. Another thing is what

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hasn't been said. He said, he said Money is the sort of companion now

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think about this deeply. This is one of those profound statements.

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Hasan Basri, one of the debate in the early century, he mentioned

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that money is the sort of companion that will not benefit

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you, unless it leaves you. It can only benefit you if it leaves you.

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Which means you spend it and thus you get something out of it, you

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help another with it.

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You leave it for your you leave it for your family. That's why the

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Prophet salallahu alayhi salam said that your wealth is only that

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which you've spent, that which you leave at your deathbed, that

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becomes somebody else's it transfers. Your wealth is only

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that which you spend. And you either spend it in indulgence or

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you spend it in investment, a worldly investment, or an

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investment for the hereafter

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that will be accounted by Allah subhanaw taala. There's a hadith

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that I'd like to finish with,

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which gives us a lot of hope.

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The reason it gives us a lot of hope is that if we've had excesses

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of any nature, I mean, it doesn't just speak to this issue. It

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speaks in general, and I find it provides a lot of hope because

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that's what I believe Islam

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is a is is the dean and a religion of great hope that regardless of

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how one has been and whatever one has been involved with involved in

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or indulgent in, and however many access accesses a person has

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committed, there's always something away out. So Imam

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Timothy relates from Abdullah Hibino Omar Radi Allahu Anhu. He

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says that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam had mentioned

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this incident to us on so many occasions, and then he counted

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about seven occasionally he said, probably even more than that, that

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this incident was related to us by the messenger salAllahu alayhi wa

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sallam more than seven times. Essentially what the Prophet

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sallallahu Sallam had said, was that

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there was a person whose name was skiffle from one the Israelites.

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So this is a story of the past nations, one of the Israelites,

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his name was skiffle. Very, very wealthy *. So he would

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indulge in whatever he wanted. I mentioned this today because as I

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said today, the second generation of Muslims who are here, in

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general because we're in the in this phase of fitna, the fitna of

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prosperity, you know, the trail of prosperity where we have, we seem

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to have a lot of disposable income at our disposal. The first

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generation that came into this country, they lived five to a

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room, sometimes sharing bathrooms and toilets, and, and so on, and

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so forth. That's our parents, the first generation, but today we're

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reaping the benefits of that. And this is where we have to be

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careful. Many of the first generation that came here from

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countries like India, Pakistan, and Egypt, etc. They also had to

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look after the parents back home. So they had to do those kinds of

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things. We don't have to worry about that.

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So you've got this *, and today is a time where we've got

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more playboys than ever before. You've got normal people who can

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indulge like rich people. I mean, I mean, how many of us can go into

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a supermarket and we have the whole world in front of us. And in

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the last 10 years, it's just exploded. When I went to America

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in 2000. My local Sainsbury's used to have used to have two racks of

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drinks. The choice was a few dilutes and a few juices, and

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that's about it, literally. When I went to American I went into our

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local Albertsons, right? It was two aisles of drinks. So I was

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going from two racks of drinks to two aisles full of all sorts of

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drinks, these big gallon punches and, and all sorts. I was like,

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wow, when I came back in 2008, we had been transformed as well. And

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now today, you go to your local as the whatever, you've got the same

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thing. You've got whole aisle or to have just drinks, you've got

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aisles, where they will be selling your polish foods. There'll be

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sending you Arabic food, Moroccan food, Egyptian foods, kosher

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foods, everything you want, it's there. Companies have to vie for

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space, and the product needs to work. That's why huge amounts are

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spent to provide all of these advertisements for decadence and

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so on and so forth. Subhanallah so there was this *, it's my

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last one, there was this.

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He was his name was skiffle. Now,

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he would, he had absolutely no concern for any form of sin, any

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form of wrong he would do as he wished. And people knew him to be

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like that. In fact, he was so bad that people didn't want to know

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him. That's how bad he was. He just had lots of money, crazy

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*. So now, once he hired a woman, for, for prostitution

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purposes, and you know how much he paid her. He paid her Sedena DNR,

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Ron 60, dinar 60 gold pieces.

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That according to today's equation would be several 1000 pounds,

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because 20 dinars, which is the quantum physics that is about 2000

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pounds right now. So if we were to give that equation, he paid a few

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1000 pounds, he paid a huge amount of money, whatever the equation

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was.

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He's, it says that when he sat when he sat to do the act, when

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they got right to the crux of it, she began to tremble. And she

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began to weep. And he said to her, Ma, you Kiki, what is making you

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cry today?

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Do you do I do dislike me? Don't I look good? Like, what's your

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problem? He thought she was just like any other call girl that he

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had hired before? She said no. Well, I can know who what I can

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know who I am alone. Mm hmm. I mean to put to this is something

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that I've never done before. This is something that I've never had

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to do before. The only thing that has forced me to do this is need

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is poverty. That's what's forced me to do this.

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Something clicked in his mind on that day. He didn't care about

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anybody who was a selfish brat. He didn't care about anything. But

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something clicked on something clicked for him that day. He said

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the for arlena and the Friday night anti Harada. Warmer, warmer

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for LTE. You You've never done this before. And today you're

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doing this, you know what you go and the money that I've given you

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is yours to take the money and go, it's okay take the money and go.

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Wallah, he La Silla burden. And then he made a promise he swore an

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oath that I will now never disobey God. It was just one of those

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moments, one of those moments.

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So she went away. At nighttime, he dies firmata Leila toe that night

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he dies. And everybody nobody wants to touch him. They don't

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want to bury him because they just know he's so bad. He's dirt is

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filthy. Nobody wants to touch him. In the morning.

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Everybody see is written on his door that got the Huffer a little

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kid who Pharaoh in Allah can offer a little gift that Allah subhanaw

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taala has forgiven gift. That's when they varied. Sounds a bit

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mythical, but there's great hopes in there. And this is from the

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past nations. This is related by Imam Timothy says how the Hadith

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one has said that this is a sound narration, but that gives us a lot

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of hope. That's an extreme example. But at the end of the

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day, we need to really rethink and, Inshallah, this book will

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help us in that in that regards. I really thank Sheikh Yusuf for

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number one finding the book, chancing upon it, translating it

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because it is a very complex book even in Arabic, it's a mcommerce

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it's full of rhetorical techniques and so on, it's quite amazing. And

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then the English is mashallah at a very, very profound level as well.

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And then mashallah turas for you know, for the work that they've

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done on this book and all the other works. And if you do want to

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go down to to meet Tirath and see the head office, it's called us

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junction on

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I mean, I'm promoting it, so it should be fine. US junction in

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tooting. So you know, you can go in Michelle have a cup of tea and

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get a signed copy from your hair. Insha Allah, Masha, yeah, he has a

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very unassuming man, I'm praising him in his face. And I know the

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amount of work he puts into this he spends huge amounts of time,

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effort money into producing these books. So may Allah subhanaw taala

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reward him and make this a source of southern Nigeria for him and

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his family and his father and his parents in sha Allah. And may

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Allah subhanho wa Taala give us all ledger for this, working with

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that 100 level

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